Sasheer Has 20/20 Vision

Summary

Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata

Episode: “Sasheer Has 20/20 Vision”
Release Date: February 4, 2026
Podcast Network: Headgum

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant episode, Nicole and Sasheer dive into the joys of friendship, self-improvement, fashion, the quirks of buying vintage, the absurdities of the online world, and the realities of modern technology. True to the spirit of “Best Friends,” their conversation weaves heartfelt stories, playful roasts, and candid insights about mental health, personal growth, and the importance of showing up for loved ones (even when it’s hard).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fashion Adventures & Vintage Finds (00:20–07:30)

• Nicole’s Clothing Cleanout: Nicole details her recent efforts to cull her wardrobe and resell pristine, cared-for clothes. She expresses pride in her clothing maintenance.
  • “I've collected so much clothing over the years that, like, I don't wear all of it a ton ... Even those I take very good care of.” – Nicole (00:53)
• Vintage Store Obsession: Nicole shares her discovery of Catnip Collective in Burbank and her newfound addiction to vintage jewelry, especially watches and rings.
• Allergic Reactions for Fashion: Despite being allergic to cats, Nicole braves a store with a resident feline to spend hours thrifting.
• Jewelry Cleaning Rituals: Inspired by her purchases, Nicole adopts a more rigorous earring-cleaning regime and discusses how to keep vintage jewelry sparkling.
• The “Creamy Sisters” Persona: Nicole and Sasheer revel in their shared love for “cream-on-cream” outfits, joking about forming the “Creamy Sisters”—two pals in matching cream turtlenecks and overalls.
  • “We are the Creamy Sisters ... That's just the Creamy Sister sounds so gross.” – Nicole & Sasheer (08:26)
• Dyeing Old Clothes with Sway: Sasheer talks about extending the life of favorite garments with custom dye jobs to hide stains, much to Nicole’s delight.

2. Spreading (and Curbing) Online Misinformation (08:52–12:30)

• Instagram Misinformation Mishaps: Nicole admits, with some embarrassment, to sharing “medical advice” from an Instagram story (“two shots of tequila will fix gluten exposure”), only to realize it’s fake news.
• The Social Media Effect: They reflect on how the internet collapses distinctions between different kinds of learners, potentially amplifying misinformation.
  • “It is wild how like the dumb shit gets spread faster than, like, real shit.” – Nicole (11:07)
• Call for Critical Thinking: Both agree on the need to pause, evaluate, and fact-check, especially as AI-generated and misleading content becomes more pervasive.
  • “Let's use those critical thinking skills ... Let's remember what it's called and use it.” – Sasheer (11:40)

3. The Library and Rekindling a Love for Reading (12:30–18:57)

• Library Evangelism: Nicole champions a return to libraries and actual books as a way to escape the unreliability of social media. Sasheer proposes finding the prettiest library in LA—ideally, with trees and waterfalls indoors!
  • “We got to go to the library. Right after we go on our watch date, and the Creamy sisters are going to the library.” – Nicole (12:36)
• Heat at Rivalry Fandom: Discussing the popular (and queer-positive) series “Heat at Rivalry” by Rachel Reid, Nicole and Sasheer celebrate non-traumatic, joyful queer storytelling, the emotional resonance of certain scenes, and the desire for more media that centers LGBTQ joy.
  • “This was just joy. This was pure fucking joy. And it was, like, sexy, but not too sexy.” – Nicole (15:22)
• Importance of Reading (and Streamers Encouraging It): They praise streamer Kai for reading live on stream and spark optimism for a coming ‘return to literacy.’

4. Technology: Food Robots and Self-Driving Cars (22:25–28:44)

• Empathy for Food Delivery Robots: Nicole describes feeling sorry for a food delivery robot destroyed by a train and muses about how robots’ ‘faces’ elicit compassion.
• Autonomous Delivery Disasters: The duo joke about what food robots might “feel” and imagine a world run by sentient delivery carts.
• Self-Driving Car Experiences: Sasheer recounts her discomfort in a Waymo (autonomous vehicle), and Nicole shares a harrowing anecdote about an ex-boyfriend tricking a Tesla’s self-driving system with a water bottle.
  • “You trying to die out here? That is really dangerous ...” – Nicole (27:06)
• Cautious Embrace of Tech: Both express wariness about fully automated transport, noting the absence of human oversight feels unsettling.

5. Driving Habits and Car Choices (28:44–32:13)

• Car Preferences: Nicole enthusiastically describes her love for small cars and the joy of squeezing into tiny parking spots, while Sasheer prefers roomy vehicles perfect for carpooling friends.
• “Off-Road” Aspirations: Nicole jokes about never actually off-roading, despite her Wrangler being built for adventures.

6. Weather, Rainy Seasons, and Home Repairs (31:15–33:16)

• On LA Rainy Season: The pair lament the length of rainy season in Los Angeles upon learning it runs November through April.
  • “That’s almost half a damn year ... Five months. That’s wild.” – Nicole (32:37)
• Home Repairs: Both need to fix rain-related house problems and swap home improvement gripes.

7. BuzzFeed Quiz: Mystical Beings (33:18–53:03)

• Whimsical Quiz Play: Nicole and Sasheer immerse themselves in an elaborate, whimsical BuzzFeed quiz to discover their ‘mystical’ identities.
• Highlights:
  • Nicole is named a mermaid: “You are naturally alluring, strong, and curious, and you absolutely love water. I do. I’m a water baby. Buzzfeed got it right.” (50:34)
  • Sasheer is a fairy: “You are airy, kind, considerate, and always have fun when you are in nature. That’s true.” (51:12)
• Vision Exercises: Sasheer demonstrates her attempts to improve her eyesight, leading to comic commentary about crossing eyes. The title of the episode, “Sasheer Has 20/20 Vision,” refers to this lively exchange.
  • “I have 2020, and I want to keep it that way.” – Sasheer (51:27)

8. Oddball Tangents & Friendship Roasting (53:05–62:54)

• Helen Keller Conspiracies: Nicole pokes fun at wild internet theories questioning Helen Keller’s legitimacy.
• Listener Question – Friendship Roasting:
  • [56:46] “Kevin” asks about being ostracized after playful roasts with friends.
  • Nicole and Sasheer dissect group dynamics, discuss how race (being the only BiPOC) can skew perceptions, and encourage honest conversations about boundaries:
    • “It seems like maybe our humor as a group is not cohesive ... What if we just don't talk to each other like that?” – Sasheer (59:49)
    • Nicole confesses to adjusting her own roasting habits after Sasheer pointed out one-sidedness in their friend group.
    • “Thank you for bringing it up ... That was on me to be like, oh, I take it a little too far sometimes.” – Nicole (61:16)

9. Listener Question – Showing Up for Difficult Family Events (63:19–67:52)

• [63:19] A listener wonders if she should attend Christmas with her partner’s family (and his ex), despite exhaustion and dislike for the holiday.
• Advice: Nicole and Sasheer stress the value of compromise, encouraging the listener to try showing up, even briefly, balancing self-care and family.
  • “There’s always a way to compromise and not fully abandon what you want, but also give a little bit of what other people are asking of you.” – Sasheer (65:10)
  • “Trying is better than not.” – Nicole (67:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fashion & Cleaning: “I'm a collector, darling ... I didn't wear it because I was running late. And I've been, like, wearing all my rings and stuff as of late, if I have the time.” – Nicole (2:30)
• On Vintage Shopping: “I want someone to go, it's good. And I go, is it? Look me and tell me this is good. Because Amazon be lying to your face.” – Nicole (3:46)
• On Online Misinformation: “It's wild how like the dumb shit gets spread faster than, like, real shit.” – Nicole (11:07)
• On Library Love: “The library should take that slogan—Isn’t anything a library if you just have a book with you?” – Nicole (13:31)
• On Queer Joyful Media: “This was just joy. This was pure fucking joy.” – Nicole (15:22)
• On Food Robots: “Do I have empathy for a robot?” – Nicole (22:53)
• On Eye Exercises: “You do have 20/20, but we corneas—which we don’t like that wording.” – Nicole (51:29)
• On Friendship Roasting: “Sometimes when you give someone an adjustment or like a criticism, it feels like you're attacking them as a person.” – Nicole (61:16)
• On Compromise: “There’s always a way to compromise ... not fully abandon what you want, but also give a little bit of what other people are asking.” – Sasheer (65:10)
• Sign-Off Banter: “The Creamy sisters take LA!” – Sasheer (30:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Description | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Detailed vintage fashion chat, jewelry care, Creamy Sisters | 00:20–08:20| | Online misinformation & critical thinking | 08:52–12:30| | Libraries, books, “Heat at Rivalry” discussion | 12:30–18:57| | Tech: Food robots & self-driving cars | 22:25–28:44| | Car preferences and driving | 28:44–32:13| | LA weather & rainy season | 31:15–33:16| | BuzzFeed mystical beings quiz & eye exercises | 33:18–53:03| | Listener Q1: Friendship roasting, group dynamics | 56:46–62:54| | Listener Q2: Family events and self-care/compromise | 63:19–67:52| | Final comedic sign-off | 68:15–68:26|

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Summary

This episode bursts with Nicole and Sasheer’s signature warmth, authenticity, and quick wit. From the pitfalls of online misinformation to the deeply felt connections of queer love stories, the episode offers laughter, solidarity, and practical wisdom on navigating friendship, technology, and life’s little oddities. The “Creamy Sisters” may just make their LA debut soon, and listeners are left with the message: show up, care for yourself and your people, and don’t be afraid to be a little (or a lot) weird together.

Transcript

[A]

This is a Headgum podcast.

[B]

Hello, Sasha.

[C]

Hello, Nicole.

[B]

This is a lovely sweater.

[C]

Thank you. I've had it for a really long time, and I haven't worn it.

[B]

I don't know if I've seen it.

[C]

I can't remember where I got it. It's definitely second, but, yeah, it's time to break it out.

[B]

Break it out. It's so cute.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Oh, my God. The saga of my clothing journey.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I got rid of so much clothing, and the woman I brought it to, who's reselling it for me, she was like, oh, my God, this stuff is in pristine condition. I was like, wow.

[A]

It is.

[B]

It really, really is. Because I've collected so much clothing over the years that, like, I don't wear all of it a ton.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, the pieces I do wear a ton. Even those I take very good care of. Like, if there's a hint of a design or like a. Something affixed to it, I'm washing it on delicate. I'm not putting it in the dryer. I am laying it flat. I don't even hang dry. I don't want points. Points from a hanger up in there.

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

I'm laying that flat.

[C]

Lay it flat.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

She takes care of her clothes.

[B]

I do.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a. I get. I didn't realize it was like a full blown. I don't want to say addiction hobby like that. The hunt for it, the finding it, the taking care of it. Yeah. Because I don't want it to get ruined.

[C]

She's a collector.

[B]

I'm a collector, darling. And I recently went to this. I think I told you this. I went to this thrift store that I really, really like. It's called Catnip Collective in Burbank. And it's next to another one I think it's called. I don't remember the name of that one, but it's two really incredible stores.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But Catnip Coalition has a cat in there.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

There is a sign outside that says, we have a cat inside. There's a sign inside that's like, make sure you close that door. There's a cat. I am deeply allergic to cats. And I said, that cat won't get me. That cat got me, gal.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. But I also tried stuff on. I spent, like, two hours in that store, but I did get some. Some really good.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It started my new passion, which is vintage jewelry. Great.

[C]

I like this.

[B]

So sheer. I didn't wear it because I was running late.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've been, like, wearing all my rings and stuff as of late, if I have the time. But I got these two incredible vintage watches there, and I'm not gatekeeping because I. I want more people to patronize vintage stores in. In person. Yeah. But because I love them, and I don't want them to go away.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Two of the most incredible fucking watches I've ever found at a very reasonable price. And then I went to this place on the west side, which I can't remember, and I found this incredible ring, and I was like, ugh.

[C]

It's begun.

[B]

It's begun, it's begun.

[C]

Do the watches work?

[B]

The watches work.

[C]

Ooh.

[B]

Have I set them to the correct time? Absolutely not. Yeah, but they work.

[C]

I have some vintage watches that I keep meaning to, like, get batteries for, but then I'm like, will I actually use it?

[B]

I think if you have batteries for them, maybe. Or maybe do a dry run where they just don't have the correct time.

[C]

That's true. I could just wear them.

[B]

Wear them. Yeah. But we can set a date and. Because I need. I want to get an extra link for it. And I didn't want to go on Amazon because I was like, I want someone to, like, look me in the eyes and tell me it's a good product.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm at that stage of my life where I want someone to go, it's good. And I go, is it? Look me and tell me this is good. Because Amazon be lying to your face. They don't got eyes. They just say, it's good. Buy it. There's a bunch of reviews, and they don't have eyes. I don't know if they're real.

[C]

Sometimes they're not real. And sometimes I'll see Amazon reviews where it's like, this is not even the product I bought. I bought something, and they sent me a fake version of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Which I was like, what business is that?

[B]

I don't know. Famously. I say famously. Emily Heller, one of my favorite tweets, she ordered a mat, and it was supposed to have those little green spikes, like, fake grass or whatever, and it was just a picture of one of those mats on the mat.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

That's crazy. Nobody looked her in the eyes and said, this is the product I'm selling you.

[C]

You need eyes.

[B]

We need eyes.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

But, yeah, I. I've also been trying to, like, figure out where vintage jewelry lives. I have jewelry cleaner now.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Because I. I realized I'm disgusting. I don't clean my earrings. As often as I should. So now I do peroxide every two days with them, but then every month, I take them out and let them sit in the jewelry cleaner. Thank you. I'm working on me. Yeah. And I was like, oh, well, if I do that with my earrings, if I buy vintage jewelry, I could polish that shit right up.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

And then I've already found. So I found that ring, and then I also found this really pretty bracelet with big old X's on it.

[C]

And.

[B]

And I'm aware. And when I get mad at somebody, I'm gonna go, no.

[C]

Three strikes and you're out.

[B]

What I'm saying is I want to be interactive with everything I'm wearing. Buttons and things. Things to let you know how I feel. Like that.

[C]

I just got. I picked up my clothes from Sway, this place. They do a community die bath.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And it's so cool. I had some white shirts that had some pit stains, because I was wearing them a lot.

[B]

Sweaty bitch.

[C]

And I was like, oh, man. I was like, but I want to get rid of them. And I was like, oh, maybe I can make them, like, fun colors. And then they have these, like, tie dye options. They change the colors that they dye every month, and they look so cool. I was like, I'm definitely wear these now.

[B]

I love that. Yeah, I think I have some. White is really hard to keep crispy.

[C]

Yes, definitely. My God, it's hard.

[B]

It's so hard.

[C]

But then you can just dye it if it's, like, even if it's not white. I had, like, this lavender sweatsuit that I loved, but it got stains all over it because that was my fault. I put it in a wash with darker purple stuff.

[B]

Yeah, it got ruined.

[C]

But then I just got a dyed dark purple, and I wear it all the time.

[B]

And I saw it, and I was like, oh, my God, that color is so rich and beautiful. And you were like, it was die.

[C]

It was dye.

[B]

I have these overalls that I really, really like that I really want to get dyed. So I need to. Next time you go, please invite me. I'd like to come.

[C]

Yeah. Also, were you gonna pitch us Going on a watch date?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Let's do it.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That was the slowest high five ever. Why'd you go so high?

[B]

Bailed halfway through. I said, maybe if I go too high, she won't reach it. And then I forgot you have the longest arms in America.

[C]

Oh, I can reach it.

[B]

Oh, I can reach it.

[C]

Oh, I can reach it.

[B]

But we also have to wear our creamy girl look.

[C]

So we the Creamy Sisters.

[B]

That's what it was. The Creamy Sisters.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Wait, have we talked about being the Creamy Sisters?

[C]

I think we have.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Where we wear cream colored turtlenecks and our cream colored overalls. And we are the Creamy Sisters.

[B]

Yes. And it's because you wore the creamy fit to an improv show. And I very earnestly turn around and I was like, cream on cream. I really love when you do that. And Paul Walsh was like, like, you guys are weird. That was weird. Then he texted me later and I was like. He was like, I really loved how earnestly you turned around, looked Sashir up and down, and went, I love when you do cream on cream. And then I took that text and was like, I have. We have to become Creamy sisters. And then I went and found. I went to a thrift store and I found a cream colored turtleneck. And then I bought. They're not the same overalls. They're very similar overalls. But one of these days, we gotta become the Creamy Sister.

[C]

You have to be the Creamy sister. I'm in.

[B]

And then I texted you and you said, ew.

[C]

Because just the Creamy sister sounds so gross.

[B]

I cannot tell you how many times I've texted something I thought was, like, really silly or like, whatever to somebody and they've responded with ew. It's been so many times. Like, you would think I would change. No, I can't.

[C]

You don't gotta.

[B]

This is it. This is who I am.

[C]

This is who you are, and that's okay.

[B]

Also, I think I might have sent misinformation to our group text. Oh, this morning I found a Instagram story where it was like, if you have celiac, two shots of glute, or no two shot if you've been gluten. Meaning if you've had gluten by accident, two shots of tequila will clear it up. Yeah. And I sent it to our group because two of them are have celiac. And I was like, I did my work.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I. I guess it was just opened up to it. And then I was like, what are the comments? And a lot of the comments were like, this isn't real. You can't do this. I keep meaning to text the group to be like, maybe not fake.

[C]

It's fake. They're just drunk as hell in the.

[B]

Middle of the day. Like, that was. I got gluten and Nicole said I could do this.

[C]

Yeah, there's too much misinformation online.

[B]

It's kind of wild. Just like people.

[C]

It's just like, someone being like, here's a fact. And we don't know who these people are. We don't know where they're getting their facts from. They're just saying stuff online.

[B]

Yes. And I read a tweet yesterday because I stay up. Well, I was traveling yesterday, but yeah, I do stay on the Internet. It was like, I think the world is worse off because of social media. Because in school we were separated, you know, the slow learners, the regular learners, the people who learn better. And we were all separated. Social media puts us all together. And I was like, that doesn't sound nice, but it also doesn't sound wrong. Doesn't sound raw. Maybe we're all. We're not all meant to be seeing the same. We learn at different capacities.

[C]

But, like, I don't want the slow learners, quote unquote, to just be at their own devices.

[B]

That's not where I thought you were going. Like, you're gonna be like, I want the slowers. I don't want them to not be included. You were like, I just don't want them to be left at their own devices together.

[C]

That's basically what I'm saying. Like, should see what the advanced learners are, what they're spreading around. Like, I don't want them to be like, here's misinformation. They're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just like, on their own, learning nothing or the wrong things. They should. They should see what.

[B]

What the higher learners.

[C]

Higher learners are saying.

[B]

God, that's very, very funny. I agree. You know what? I think I agree. But it is wild how, like, the dumb shit gets spread faster than, like, real shit.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you, you know, probably because, like.

[C]

It'S more salacious or it's like, feels like funnier or more fun or. Or just sounds right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And we're like, yep, I'm not gonna fact check that. That sounds right.

[B]

I've gotten in the habit of just being like, yup, send it along. And I really just gotta go. Wait a minute. Let's use my. What is it? Deducing skills. What is it?

[C]

Critical thinking.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah, that was tough.

[C]

Let's use those critical thinking skills.

[B]

Let's remember what it's called and use it.

[C]

I mean, I've definitely fell victim to seeing a video, sending it off, looking at the comments and being like, this was AI.

[B]

God damn it. I got got again.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I don't like it.

[C]

I don't like it to the point.

[B]

Where I was like, maybe I spend less time on Instagram. I. You love Instagram.

[C]

I love Instagram so much. But, yeah, I do feel like I'm rejecting it because I'm like. I keep just coming through fake shit, which, like, I guess even when I wasn't rampant on social media, I was still looking at things that didn't apply to me. I'm selling other people's lives and like. Like, stories that I have I'm not related to. But it felt.

[B]

But it felt real.

[C]

Real.

[B]

I don't know. I've said it before. I say again, Maybe we got to start going to the library again.

[C]

You've said that before. I've never heard you say that before. You have. You have been promoting the library.

[B]

I've been saying it. I' ma say it again. We got to go to the library. Right after we go on our watch date, and the Creamy sisters are going to the library. I think I've said it before. Maybe I have.

[C]

Not maybe you have, but I would love to go to the library.

[B]

I think. I think I'm just going to really.

[C]

Try to get some really pretty ones, too. Sorry. I mean, I got really excited. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Sorry. And really pretty ones.

[B]

Well, let's go to a pretty one. Where's a pretty one?

[C]

I feel like there's, like, a la, like, county library somewhere that has, like. Like, trees inside of it.

[B]

Trees inside.

[C]

Maybe a waterfall.

[B]

Waterfall.

[C]

I might be conflating things, but it.

[B]

Sounds like you went on a hike with a book, sat down next to a waterfall. I love this library. Really?

[C]

Isn't anything a n. Anything a library if you just have a book with.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Squirrel could check it out for me.

[B]

Give you two nuts. Is it anything the library. As long as you have a book with you. And honestly, the library should take that slogan for you.

[C]

No, but they're probably like, we do want you to come into the library.

[B]

We want you come in, check them out. But, yeah, I think I just want to. I just. I think I got to occupy my time with, like, maybe books or, like, stuff like that. You finally watched Heat at Rivalry?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Ali and I were talking about this while we were breaking between episodes, and I loved it so dang much.

[C]

Me too.

[B]

Everyone's seen it. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, yeah, I feel like I definitely watched it way after everybody else.

[B]

I think I watched it like, the. Like, maybe the week. I don't know. I watched it over Christmas, and every time that nice man in my life left the house, I'd be like, gotta put on my stories. And I'd be Like, and then he'd come home and be like, what are you watching? I'm like, my stories. And then I would explain to him what was going on and he'd be like, got it. Okay. And then would watch, like, the end of an episode with me. And I just. My favorite episode, I texted this to you, was the last one where nothing happened. It was just a nice time, or maybe something bad could happen, but then it ends up being all fine and nice.

[C]

It was just a really nice time. There's. I mean, yeah, it was, I guess, like a little stressful, but, yeah, I was expecting something detrimental to happen.

[B]

But I think why we all liked it so much is it's a beautiful love story with no trauma attached. Yeah. And it's like. Yeah, maybe a lot of, like, you know, gay stuff starts with, like, a coming out story or whatever, but there's usually, like, trauma attached to it. And I think that was just like. This was just joy. This was pure fucking joy. And it was, like, sexy, but not too sexy.

[C]

It was pretty sexy.

[B]

And then since everyone. I don't. I'm not going to ruin it. But there's a scene where Ilya speaks in Russian to Shane. Shane. Shane does not understand Russian.

[C]

Ali.

[B]

That's where I cried. Yes. I was like, boohooing because I was like, this man is being so empathetic. He doesn't understand, but he can understand, like, the emotions attached. Ugh.

[C]

Ugh.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They loved each other.

[B]

They loved each other so much.

[C]

Yeah. I'm just happy for them. I'm glad I did so well. I want them to make more. I'm happy for the actors. Yeah.

[B]

I don't want the budget to change.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Yeah. I don't want anyone to get high on their horses. I want them to continue telling lovely stories.

[C]

Why'd you hope the actors get more money?

[B]

Oh, yes, the actors. The actors, the writers. But what I'm saying is I don't want, like, spectacle. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I liked how it felt really grounded. Yeah.

[C]

And they did a lot with that. What they had.

[B]

Yes. I don't know how much Crave Canada was paying per episode, but they worked it out.

[C]

They worked it out.

[B]

And then I was sad that they're not eligible for Emmys. Emmys. Because it's Crave Canada. It's a Canadian production.

[C]

Yeah. But I feel like there's other.

[B]

I think it has to be released through an American distributor. I think HBO Max licensed through Crave. I think.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it still has a Crave thing on it. The logo.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. I could be wrong. I could be making things up. This is me using critical thinking. Also Rachel, who's the woman who wrote it? Rachel.

[A]

Rachel Reed.

[B]

Rachel Reed. She follows me on Instagram because I was like, I was, like, looking for her. I was like, I didn't know these were books. When I found out there were books, I was like, gotta find the writer. And then she followed me and then I, like, DM'd her. And I was like, please come on my podcast.

[C]

Yeah, amazing.

[B]

So hopefully that will work out. And then I bought the book. Yeah, I bought Heat at Rivalry. I should have bought the first book in it because it's a whole saga.

[C]

With the same characters.

[B]

I believe it's different characters, but is Shane and Ilya, and then the man who announced he was gay on the ice, Scott.

[C]

That was my favorite.

[B]

That was one whole book.

[C]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm going to start with Heat at Rivalry, and then I'll probably, like, buy more and read them all out of order because I'm crazy.

[C]

She's crazy.

[B]

Oh, my God, I'm a Looney Tune. But I'm really excited to, like, have. I'm, like, excited to read again, if that makes sense. Because I feel like I've talked to you so much about how I've been. Like, there's one book I've been struggling through. Still struggling through it, actually. Two books right now.

[C]

When I have. I have long breaks in between reading. So when I get back into reading, I'm like, my brain is buzzy. Like, I cannot focus. It's so I'm like, reading the same page over and over and over again. It's hard.

[B]

It is hard to read.

[C]

Did you see that there's a streamer named Kai sent. I don't know anything about him. Yeah, he's, like, really popular and he's reading, like, on live stream. He's like, I want to improve my vocabulary and I want to improve my reading. So he's just reading out loud to his audience and they're like, I think it's encouraging reading.

[B]

I think we're gonna have a return to, like, literacy. I hope so. I really hope so. And I think we're gonna have a return to, like, I would like to find out the truth on this and, like, maybe curiosity will come back as opposed to, like, just looking up stuff on chat GPT or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I. This isn't. I think we're on the precipice. Of something exciting.

[C]

I hope so. I do. I hope. I think that maybe the AI stuff got so. They got two in our face. We're like, okay, I need to.

[B]

Yeah, step back. Yeah, I need a reprieve.

[C]

Yeah, I need to know what's real because this is getting wild.

[B]

It's too scurry.

[C]

It's too scoring.

[B]

Oh, we should. We should take a break.

[C]

Let's take a break.

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[C]

Nicole, did you see?

[B]

I almost sent this to you because I sent you a wild idea about those food carts.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

But there's a video of a food cart. It got stuck on a train track, and a train hit it. And I don't like those food carts. I know they're not sentient. I know they're not like people. But I was like, but it's like, big eyes are like.

[C]

And the train was behind it, and.

[B]

It just takes it out. I went, no. Then I had to be like, uh, oh, do I have empathy for a robot?

[C]

Well, because they put, like, a face on it. They put eyes on it so it feels like.

[B]

Like a little creature.

[C]

Creature.

[B]

Oh, it's a wild video. I was like, oh, no.

[C]

Get stuck on the tracks?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. Oh, God. And then one of the comments was like, where's that man's food?

[C]

Someone's like, where?

[B]

I just asked for food an hour. Where's my. Where's my cart full of food?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How do.

[C]

How would the robot communicate that? Like, does the company even know? Offline. Yeah, it's completely offline.

[B]

But imagine if there was other carts, like little food carts around watching their friend. Oh, no.

[C]

They're like, did you hear about Jerry?

[B]

I'm not going over those tracks.

[C]

I will never go over those.

[B]

You're not gonna catch me. No, no, no.

[C]

Yeah, that's scary.

[B]

And that's kind of my argument against those little food carts.

[C]

I mean, I'm surprised more aren't just getting hit by cars. They have to cross the street.

[B]

They do have to cross the street. They are. They do look like they're looking both ways. They take sometimes so long to cross the street.

[C]

That's true. They're like, yeah. Can they see the little walking sign?

[B]

I have a feeling it's like a video game and somebody is moving them. Oh, I don't know. I've never looked into it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I just don't know. If. Because I know in a ways there's somebody watching at all times.

[C]

In a ways?

[B]

In the. No. What are they called? Vim. Vim. Vim. Vim Voms. What are those cars that move by themselves? Waymo. Waymo.

[C]

Vim Voms. I had no idea what you were talking about.

[B]

What's a waze?

[C]

Waze is the direction app.

[B]

Oh my God.

[C]

Like the maps, apparently.

[B]

Wow. I've really skipped to being like 62 years old. Vim vamp.

[C]

So wait, someone is controlling it?

[B]

I'm 90. Sure. Somebody. I don't know if they're controlling it, but like if you need like people will talk to you in them.

[C]

I. Yeah, I thought there was like a help center.

[B]

Like if like, oh, maybe someone isn't watching you at all.

[C]

I don't think so. I thought it was like truly self driving. And then like if you're like, we're stuck, then someone maybe in a human helps out. I don't know. I think.

[A]

Yeah, it's the Internet's saying that human operators will. Can tap in if it encounters issues.

[B]

Oh, but it is fully like automated.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, so maybe them little cocoa things and little food carts are automated.

[C]

Maybe.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

It's crazy.

[B]

That's really crazy. I thought it was like a VR, like, like a, like a video game. That someone was like piloting the cars.

[C]

No, I think they were like on their own.

[B]

Well, that's crazy. I'll never get into one. I absolutely will never get into one now.

[C]

I went into one and I did not like it. I mean, just like we drove just fine, but it was just like. And then I saw. I like looked out the window and there's one of those little robot delivery carts. And I was like, this is weird as hell. I don't like this.

[B]

I don't like it either. I was passing by the Americana and I saw one of them food carts stalking a couple of. Well, they were like making out on the side of the road. We were stuck. I was at a red light and I just like happened to look over and they were making out and then the food cart went up the ramp and then turned towards them and then they moved and then it moved towards them and then they moved and it moved towards them and then the light turned green. I was like, maybe it killed him.

[C]

Maybe the cart was like. Do you want a third? Hey, hey. I know I'm on the clock, but do you want. Do you want a third? Okay, open that.

[B]

I can open up. I can open up my little basket and I Got stuck in here for you.

[C]

Put your hands, put your hands on there.

[B]

Fiddle me, fiddle me. Come on, fiddle me. That's really funny. I did not realize they were fully automated. This is so funny that I was like against them and I didn't even know what I was against. Mm. Fully automated. Get real.

[C]

Get real. Scary.

[B]

Too wild for my britches.

[C]

I had a Tesla and I have the, the. I bought the self driving feature and I never used it because I was like, wait, I don't actually want to do that. That sounds scary.

[B]

I dated somebody who had a Tesla who drove a long distance. And your hand has to be on the steering wheel the whole time that the self drive is on. And he would go to sleep and he would stick like a water bottle with water in it to mimic the weight of a hand. And I said, you trying to die out here?

[C]

That is really dangerous.

[B]

And break up with him after that.

[C]

You'Re like, I'll let the universe handle this.

[B]

And so he's still here for a reason.

[C]

He'll go. He'll go one way or another.

[B]

But isn't that wild?

[C]

That's wild. Yeah.

[B]

I wonder how many other people do that. That's a lot scary.

[C]

I think people who get self driving are probably like, finally I get to close my eyes or like fully get into my emails.

[B]

Oh my God. So no, I love driving.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I have such a good time. Speed racer.

[C]

And that's just you making the noise in the car.

[B]

The car is off. Like a fun time for me is like when a. Like when the Bronco, the new Bronco got released. I went to Ford and I test drove one with no intention of buying it. But I had questions and quandaries. Just want to know if. As if I was gonna buy it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Honda's re releasing the Prelude. I don't know if it's out yet. I gotta tug it on the. The Internet. But I'm gonna go test drive that. I can't wait. I love driving. You don't love driving.

[C]

I. If it feels like just like a necessity. But I'm not like excited to drive. No. I don't dislike it. I'll do it.

[B]

Yes. And oftentimes you will be the driver for a gathering.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll pick everybody up. You really will?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that is a nice. A quality about you.

[C]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

Because I will drive. But where will everyone sit?

[C]

I have plenty of seating. I always get a car with so much seating and I'm like, everyone get in.

[B]

It is funny because that Tesla you Did pay for that third row.

[C]

I did.

[B]

And then it was like, me and Jessica, we were like, how does it work? And you were like, I simply don't know.

[C]

I literally never used it.

[B]

But then we did figure it out.

[C]

Yeah. And that's not a comfy situation. Like, your head's still touching the ceiling. It's like you're like, that's for children. Really?

[B]

It is for children or a dog. It's like.

[C]

You're like. It's so strong just in there.

[B]

But yeah. My. My Wrangler, there's. There's barely. There's not room for anybody really, anywhere. And I love it. I love having such a teeny, tiny car. My favorite. Seeing the smallest of a parking spot and going, I gotta do this. I think I can do this.

[C]

That is nice.

[B]

I think I can do this. And I. Nine times out of ten, do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Get up in there.

[C]

She gets it right.

[B]

I'll hit both cars several times.

[C]

It's a Wrangler. It's for off roading.

[B]

Yes. And I love curbs. I love hitting cars. I love it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I've yet to off road with it, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

One day.

[C]

One day.

[B]

One day. I'm gonna take it to the wilderness. The library, if you will. But, yeah, let's. Okay. We're gonna. We have a big day ahead of us.

[C]

It's all happening in one day.

[B]

The Creamy sisters are out. We are going to the library. We are going to the Watchmen. We're going off roading. We're doing it all. We're doing it all.

[C]

The Creamy sisters take la.

[B]

Oh, my God. We can start, like, a little book series.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The Creamy sisters.

[C]

Just their wild adventures, running errands.

[B]

But we gotta do it before it gets hot because I have a turtleneck.

[C]

That's true. But this is still like, cool weather.

[B]

It is still cool weather. It's wild weather. Sometimes during the day, it is so dang hot. I say summer, and then at night, I'm like, winter.

[C]

And that's crazy. It is.

[B]

It's wild as hell, y'.

[C]

All. Do you think we're out of the rainy season? Do you think we're done with rain, or is Ring gonna come back here?

[B]

I don't. I don't know. Because I feel like rainy season. I don't know why I'm talking like this. I feel like rainy season. Go from. I feel like it. Like, rainy season, maybe. Last year was, like, through January.

[C]

That's what it felt like. But we've, knock on wood, gone through a couple Weeks without rain.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I would love for it to be done.

[B]

Me, too. Ali, do you know?

[C]

Do you know?

[B]

Ali, do you know.

[C]

What is the Internet telling you?

[B]

What's the Internet telling you? Because I. There's, like, a little thing in my garage where I guess rain was coming, seeping through, and then the paint bubbled out a little bit, and I was like, I'd like to get that fixed.

[C]

But, yeah, I definitely have a lot of stuff to get fixed, and I don't want to keep raining.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Rainy season in LA technically ends in April.

[B]

April? Yeah.

[A]

It's November through April.

[C]

Well, that's. That's wide range. That's the hell.

[B]

What the.

[C]

That's so long. That's crazy. To April.

[B]

April, several months.

[C]

That's like half the year.

[B]

Yeah. November to December, December to January, January.

[C]

To February, February to March. March to April.

[B]

That's almost half a damn year.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Did you know that without counting?

[C]

I guess I did.

[B]

Wow. Showing off.

[C]

I just felt it.

[B]

Okay. She knows. She knows. The mom. Five months. That's wild.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Jesus.

[C]

But I guess they're just like, it could happen in that season. It's definitely not raining the whole way through.

[B]

No. But I'm like, should I get that patch? Patch.

[C]

I knew I need to get my stuff fixed before it comes back.

[B]

Lord, it's crazy.

[C]

It's crazy.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Goodness gracious.

[B]

Do you want to do a quiz?

[C]

Let's do a quiz. We could do a quiz.

[B]

Do we have quizzes? Yeah, do we have quizzes?

[C]

Do we have quizzes?

[A]

Journeying through a mystical forest to find out what ethereal being you are.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, it's like Creamy Sisters.

[B]

I would die.

[C]

You're obviously an ethereal being, but you'll have. Oh, no. Who's that?

[B]

Who's that?

[C]

But you'll have to journey through a mystical forest to find out exactly which one.

[B]

You better pick your path carefully. You found the way into a mythical forest. Do you go in?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I think about it first.

[C]

Yes. But I'd be scared.

[B]

I'd rather not. That's insane to have. I'd rather not. Because it's like, then why are you taking this quiz?

[C]

I'll just be like, I guess you're not a mystical being.

[B]

I guess you're just a human. I'm saying yes.

[C]

I'm gonna say yes. But I'd be scared. I get a little scared sometimes, but I'll try it.

[B]

I don't know if I've seen you, like, in action, scared.

[C]

Oh, yes, you have. When we were at the Devil's Pool.

[B]

Oh, yeah. What am I talking about?

[C]

I mean, maybe I didn't look scared, but I was fully freaking out.

[B]

No, no, no, no. That was me being insane because I saw the pictures. After all of all of the pictures.

[C]

You'Re like, yeah, I'm just, like, trying to smile, but, like, there's this fear behind my eyes.

[B]

Like, oh, man. I never felt freer. Or.

[C]

You were loving it. Hands in the air. Leaning over the edge of the waterfall.

[B]

Loved the Devil's. I. It was so thrilling. I want to do it again.

[A]

What is the Devil's Pool?

[B]

Oh, the Devil's Pool is in Zimbabwe.

[C]

Zambia.

[B]

Zimbabwe.

[C]

On the border.

[B]

On the border. Kind of like Buffalo, New York, and Canada. For the. For Niagara Falls. It's one of the biggest waterfalls.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Victoria Falls. It's one of the biggest waterfalls in the world. And during high season, when the tide is hide, hide high, you can swim out to a part of the waterfall and there's a little pool. And you can sit in the pool. And when you look over, you just see water because that's how high up you are. It is one of the most breathtaking things I've ever seen.

[C]

And they take your picture up there and, like. And, you know, they show. I have pictures on the website where people are, like, leaning over the edge of the waterfall. And I was like, that must be an optical illusion or something. They're probably, like, feet away from the edge.

[B]

At no point you do sign your life away. And they're like, who should we email if you die? Like, it's pretty wild. But at no point do they say you are in an actual waterfall.

[C]

You're actually at the edge and they're just holding your feet.

[B]

And when you look, you just. It's like being in Niagara. Like, you see the rest of the waterfall from where you're seated. It is incredible.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Ugh. I never felt so alive. And I had stolen someone's shoes.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[B]

By accident. You go in. What do you bring with you? A knife, a journal, a flower, a magic wand? Who am I, Harry Potter? I just have a fucking wand with me.

[C]

Well, we're in a magic forest.

[B]

Yeah, you're right. I'm gonna bring a knife.

[C]

I'm gonna bring a magic wand. If that's an option. I'm going to bring it.

[B]

Now. I'm gonna bring my knife. Bring one of my drawer knives.

[C]

Have you used the box cutter yet? It's okay if you haven't.

[B]

No, I have.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And. Okay. Thank you. Very kind gift. Have we explained that she has drawer knives?

[C]

She has knives, loose knives in the drawer by her door to open packages. And I was like, well, you need a box cutter. Actually, your boyfriend was like, yes, you need a box cutter. And I was at Home Depot because I'm always at Home Depot.

[B]

You are.

[C]

And I was like, here's a box cutter.

[B]

And it was very kind. And I, like, didn't. I was like, why are you blindly putting your hands in the drawer? Like that's crazy. Because he kept being like, I'm scared of like getting cut by the drawer knives. And I was like, well, look, if you open it and look, you're not gonna touch the drawer knife.

[C]

But also just don't have loose knives in your house. You could just also have a box cutter.

[B]

I know, but I feel like that's part of my whimsicality. You never know what you're gonna get with what you open. You could be a drawer knife. So the box cutter is there. I very recently opened a box and I went, this does not compare to a drawer knife. This, It's. It's like too smooth and it goes a little too deep sometimes because the drawer knife doesn't go as deep. So, like, I'm not cutting the things inside the box.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So the box cutter is there for him. My drawer knives are now cupboard knives. They're in a cup. So I. I bring my stuff to the kitchen, I take out my cup knife, I get in there.

[C]

All compromise.

[A]

It is.

[C]

That's great.

[B]

And that's what love is, compromise.

[C]

It's true.

[B]

But like, it really blew me away that like everybody was like on his side about it. They were like, you have blue snow. I was in your drawer and I was like, yes. I've never once cut myself on it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I did cut myself on the box cutter.

[C]

What? That seems hard to do.

[B]

I don't know, girl.

[C]

How are you holding it? I just put me in there.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know.

[C]

It has a part for your hand. It's like grip. That's far from the blade actually.

[B]

Well, yeah, I was gripping it with this hand. I don't. I think I just went like that, girl. Well, it's so sharp. I think that's why I like my drawer knives. Cuz they're pretty. They're kind of dull from opening boxes. Snap. An animal's behind you. Which of which of these is it?

[C]

A blue frog?

[B]

A squirrel?

[C]

I think it's a rabbit. Is it? Oh, no, there's a squirrel on the below.

[B]

Oh, a rabbit.

[C]

And then there's a squirrel.

[B]

A deer. My eyesight's gone.

[C]

Oh, no, that was tough.

[B]

And I got the contacts in. Oh, better re up.

[C]

Okay, so there's an animal behind you.

[B]

Honestly, that squirrel looks devious.

[C]

It does look pretty sneaky.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

Hands barely touching each other.

[B]

I'm gonna say that frog because it's a sick ass color. I like it.

[C]

I'm gonna say the deer. The deer looks like it could lead me to an adventure.

[B]

Oh, I didn't even think of that.

[C]

The blue frog definitely can lead you to adventure. What do you do now that the cre. What do you do now that you see the creature scream? Stand still.

[B]

Speak to it.

[C]

Sing to it.

[B]

I'm trying to think of, like, what order would go in, because it's between sing to it and speak to it.

[C]

It.

[B]

And once my sister was inside her house and I had gone downstairs because she was, like, doing something, I was like, I don't have time for this. I need to be outside. And I saw a squirrel. And by the time she had come outside, I was singing to the squirrel, trying to, like, get it to come to me. So I think maybe speak to it would come first.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Hello. Oh, Mr. Frog. Yeah, speak to it.

[C]

I'll probably stand still and be like, I would, like, let it do its thing. Like, I'll let it make the first move. I don't want to assume its intentions.

[B]

I'm always talking to animals.

[C]

I did. I was singing to my flowers outside this morning.

[B]

Oh, see, that's nice.

[C]

Because I start. A lily started blooming, and I was like, you're gorgeous. And I walked out my kitchen. I was like, you're gorgeous. Look at you, girls.

[B]

Look at you.

[C]

I was, like, pointing, and I was.

[B]

Like, look at you.

[C]

You're good. You're doing great. And you're doing great. And I was turning other plants, and I was like, you can use some words. You need water, but you're gonna get.

[B]

That's very funny. I love that. I hope someone was, like, on a power walk, and they were like, yeah, look at me, girl. I look gorgeous. Gorgeous. My neighbor, who I was stealing persimmons from, caught me stealing the other day. I was over the fence.

[C]

Wait, is this not the person you gave a note to?

[B]

No, those are lemons.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

But I was stealing persimmons.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

They also have lemons. And I was like, I want to taste their lemon. I'm like, distaste in my neighbors.

[C]

Did they talk to you?

[B]

No. And I don't know if they live there or if they were the dog walker, but I was over this fence, and I was, like, wrestling with this tree to get to this lemon. And there was also more persimmons, but they were a little too far. And I was like, I'll come back with a stepladder. And then I saw these other really pretty flowers, and I was like, oh, I want those flowers. And I was like. And then I was like, ah, yeah. And then I put them in my pocket, and I was like, come on, Clyde. And I looked up, and there was a person, right? Like, I don't know, two feet from where I was stealing, staring at outside. Huh. And I just went. And then they went into the house, and I was like, oh, man. They watched me wrestle their trees for a very long time.

[C]

They could have said something. They're gonna be like, do you want me to help you with that, or. Yeah, do you want things?

[B]

Yeah, I would have said, yeah, give me things.

[C]

Honestly, they're the weird.

[B]

Yeah, they're weird. And I'm gonna get. I'm gonna go with my stepladder because they're not helpful.

[C]

You have, like, a branch cutter. You're just fully chopping them down.

[B]

Give me your persimmons.

[C]

It's gone. You're hungry.

[B]

What?

[C]

The creature's gone.

[B]

Oh, okay. I guess so.

[C]

It's gone and you're hungry. What do you eat?

[B]

I'm eating them for us. Mushrooms, roses, apples, or is those.

[C]

Are those berries?

[B]

I think those are berries.

[C]

Okay, berries.

[B]

I think those are apples or lemons. What are those?

[A]

I think those are apples. Apples.

[B]

Apples.

[C]

And what's in that? Ramekin. What's that?

[B]

A berry salad?

[C]

Yeah, a berry salad, maybe. Okay, a berry salad.

[B]

I'm not gonna eat anything out of a ramekin in the forest. Let me eat mushrooms. Let me feel myself, dude.

[C]

Yeah, the ramekin feels like a trap. Feels like a witch left that for me. Maybe I would eat an apple, because I feel like there is a higher chance of poisonous berries.

[B]

Oh, yeah, you're right. But mushrooms. Yeah.

[C]

Have a good time.

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna have fun. I'm gonna trip balls. Okay, now you come across a mythical. A mystical site. What is it?

[C]

A rainbow in front of a waterfall.

[B]

A cave with water. Ooh.

[C]

Crystal sticking out of the ground.

[B]

A bridge in the forest.

[C]

We definitely saw a rainbow at the waterfall too.

[B]

We did.

[C]

Yeah. That was nice. That was a nice treat after being scared to death.

[B]

And I was like, this is all.

[C]

Part of the plan.

[B]

I'm gonna say this, like, underwater cavey thing because I want to go swimming.

[C]

I'm gonna say crystals because I like crystals.

[B]

You love crystals.

[C]

It's time to find a place to rest. Where do you sleep?

[B]

On the forest floor?

[C]

On a pile of leaves?

[B]

On a pile of sticks?

[C]

On a flower bed.

[B]

I don't want to up the flower bed, but this is like a magical place. So I think the flowers will bounce back. So I'm gonna say on a flower bed.

[C]

That sounds nice, right? Yeah. It reminds me of. I think, I think it was Flower. The character was Flower. It's a skunk from Bambi.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And he would sleep in flowers. I think he really likes smelling them. It was very cute.

[B]

Oh, he was a skunk?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And they called him Flower?

[C]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe it's because he always slept in the flowers and smelled like flowers and not like skunk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We have to take a break.

[C]

Oh, let's take a break.

[B]

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[C]

We're back. Where do I want to sleep? Yeah, I'm gonna sleep on a pile of leaves.

[B]

That sounds okay.

[C]

Like the comfiest option.

[B]

You don't think it'll be Crunchy, probably.

[C]

But you can stack a bunch of them. Yes. And then it feels like padding.

[B]

And there's only so many flowers.

[C]

There's only so many flowers.

[B]

Lastly, after you wake up, what will your plan be?

[C]

To find a way the heck out.

[B]

Of here to go back to the mystical. Is it mythical? No. There's no th. Mystical spot I found to make breakfast to find more animal friends. What was the first one? Even my friend.

[C]

Yeah. Left.

[B]

I might get out.

[C]

I wait.

[B]

I'm gonna go back to the mystical spot I found just to be like, what am I supposed to be doing?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I would like, actually. Oh, okay.

[B]

Me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm a mermaid. Although you've just ventured through the mystical forest, you actually belong in the ocean along with your sea creature friends. You are naturally alluring, strong, and curious, and you absolutely love water. I do. I'm a water baby. Buzzfeed. Got it. Right.

[C]

Yes. That is very accurate.

[B]

You are a mermaid. I am a mermaid.

[C]

Oh, my goodness. Okay, my plan after I wake up would probably be to make breakfast before I do anything, I need to eat.

[B]

You are a hungry gal. I'm a hungry gal, and that's great.

[C]

Yeah. I need fuel. Buzzfeed. Who am I? Oh, here we go. A fairy. She's a fairy. You are a beautiful fairy flying through the mystical forest. You have wings that carry you over the trees to meet up with your animal friends. You are. Are airy, kind, considerate, and always have fun when you are in nature. That's true.

[B]

I think that is true as well.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

I can't believe you can read that font from here.

[C]

Thank you. I was struggling, but I did it.

[B]

I was like, dang, girl, them eyes are good.

[C]

I have 2020, and I want to keep it that way.

[B]

You do have 2020, but we corneas.

[A]

We corny.

[B]

Which we don't like that wording.

[C]

I don't like that word corneas.

[B]

I need a little bit of help.

[C]

Yeah. But I'm trying to do eye exercises, and I think it's helping.

[B]

Like. Like what?

[C]

Like trying to cross my eyes because, you know, I can't actually cross my eyes, but, like, trying to get the meat in the middle and then, like, looking up and, like, to the side and the side and down, and then also, like, looking for. At something, like, far away and then something closer, and then, like, having my eye focus back and forth.

[B]

I was doing it.

[C]

You were doing it.

[B]

Okay. With crossing your eyes. Like, maybe, like, open them really wide. Now try to cross them. Don't look down. Look in the middle. Am I doing it? No. Really wide. Now look at your. Look at the. Look at the bridge of your nose. Something's happening.

[C]

I don't think anything's happening.

[B]

Something was really. Okay, look at me and do it. Big, big, nasty eyes. And now look at the bridge of your nose. That one is crossing. That one is not.

[C]

I was just looking straight.

[B]

That one does not want to cooperate it.

[C]

Okay, it hurts a little bit.

[B]

I'm sorry. Your eyes are watering. Oh, my God. That's enough lessons for today.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

You sent me a thing. That Helen Keller is not real.

[C]

She is a real person.

[B]

The thing you said says she's not real. She said not real.

[C]

No, she's real. But that maybe she was a fraud. Maybe she could actually see.

[B]

And that Ann Curry. What was her name?

[C]

Her teacher, was it.

[B]

Who's Ann Curry?

[C]

She's on the Today show.

[B]

Whoa. I've never been so far away yet. So close. Oh, my God. Annie Sullivan was, like, shady, and she was puppeting in Helen Keller. Oh, my God. Oh, tough.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. So I.

[B]

Your eye work just reminded me of that. Oh, right.

[C]

Okay, Got it.

[B]

But it's so wild to me. You can't cross your eyes.

[C]

I guess I never tried before. It was like, a thing I wanted to learn when I was a kid. I think any eye stuff freaked me out. You know those kids that, like, make their eyelid go inside out? Yeah.

[B]

That's disgusting. That I don't know how to do.

[C]

I don't want that.

[B]

Maybe, I guess people.

[C]

I don't think my mom said this.

[B]

But I feel like it was like.

[C]

A saying, like, if you cross your eyes, you'll get stuck like that or whatever. I was like, I want that.

[B]

Yeah. My mom would say. Then I'd be like. And so I'm more interesting. So, like, I'll have a. A more fun, playful, whimsical quality about myself. It's not a threat.

[C]

Can't threaten me.

[B]

Can't you. She couldn't threaten me.

[C]

I am.

[B]

Bring it on. Bring it on.

[C]

Can't. Do you think what. How do. Because I know some people do have, like, their eyes, like, not fully crossed or are there people who have fully crossed eyes, like, permanently?

[B]

I think so.

[C]

Sometimes, like, one is. One can be in a different position. And do you think they can see straight ahead? How do they see?

[B]

You know, I think the body, like, adjusts. So I do think maybe there's. Their sight is impeded a little bit, but I think they can see.

[C]

They could have, like, a little.

[B]

Yeah, I know some people wear glasses when an eye is, like, across a little bit. I also know there's, like, surgeries to, like, help uncross an eye.

[C]

Oh, I didn't know that. My goodness.

[B]

There's a lot of things out there to help people.

[C]

That's nice. Should we answer some questions?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Hi, Nicole and Sashir. I have a friendship question about joking with friends. In my friend group, we all kind of joke around with each other and razz each other playfully. Every now and again, they'll say or do some really hurtful things. That's a little too far. Of course, I'll say, okay, that was too much, or, wow, that was really aggressive. At that point, they'll run to their partner, and the other one will say that I was being overly aggressive and being rude or even gang up on me together. Some info about me that I is that I am the only one that's single, overweight, bipoc, and out of our entire group. So when I try and defend myself or try and match their energy, they'll either say I'm the one being too much or aggressive, and I'm told to calm down. I'm at a point where I don't really speak up anymore around certain people because they always take what I say to a retaliatory space. Not everyone gets like this, but the ones who usually do are screaming at me and calling me a stupid bitch or some combination of words like that. How should I address this? Is this even a salvageable source of friendship? Since a lot of it is built on nudging people playfully. Thank you for any sight or thank you for any insight. My fake name shall be Kevin.

[C]

Thank you, Kevin.

[B]

Okay, so Kevin is, like, trying to, like, roast people, and then they're saying that Kevin's doing too much.

[C]

It sounds like the whole group is roasting each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But when Kevin does it, they're like, you stupid. How dare you?

[B]

That's tough.

[C]

I know, but is the stupid part of the roasting sounds like they get emotional about it or like it feels like.

[A]

Yeah, when they say that felt like too much. Yeah, you went too far.

[B]

I guess I need examples.

[C]

I know. I wish there were examples. But also, some people you can't joke with like that. Yeah, Like. Yeah. I don't know why they think their joking's different than your joking. Well, actually, I don't know. This person's a person of color and sometimes definitely for black women. Oh.

[B]

Ooh.

[C]

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[B]

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[C]

What were you saying? I think the person who wrote it or. Yeah, they said they're bipoc. So person of color. Yeah, definitely. For black women, maybe for other people of color, when we say something, sometimes it gets perceived as angry or like with more attitude than we actually are trying to convey. So it's possible that no matter what you say, unfortunately, if, if you are.

[B]

The only one in the group. Yeah.

[C]

They might not automatically assume that you are being too much or too, too real, too raw, too mean. And that's not based on the words you're saying. It's based on how you look. And that sucks.

[B]

But I feel like in a text.

[C]

Oh, it was via text.

[B]

Was it via text? Sorry.

[A]

Oh, no, this is. These are all like in person.

[B]

Oh my God. I'm really all over the place. Was I listening? Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, it is tough that like every time you try to joke around to be like, oh, you good? Yeah, I'm a stupid. Yeah, are you good? You understand that was a joke? Because then you have to like defend yourself all the time and then that comes off as defensive because of let's root words here. That is tough. I don't know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then maybe it's like, if you don't want to like dish it out anymore because you're tired of defending yourself, maybe when someone like roasts you, you go, I don't know. I didn't like it.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, it could be worth a conversation of like, hey, it seems like maybe our humor as a group is not cohesive. Like, like, yeah, we, you know, we do these little roasts. Maybe we just don't talk to each other like that. Like, let's keep the vibes positive because it seems like I hurt your feelings and you guys hurt my feelings and.

[B]

I just want to have a good.

[C]

Time and hang out with you. So maybe we just don't joke like that.

[B]

Yes. Because you said to me once, one of our mutual friends, I was like roasting him about something and you were like, that probably didn't feel good. And I was like, yeah, but that's like how we roast each other. And you were like, I've never heard him roast you like that. And I was like, oh my God. Maybe the roasting is a little one sided. And ever since I made that slight adjustment or when we're together and like get into like being a little roasty, I'm like, like, ah, I Understand now, like, when I'm going a little too far and when he kind of retreats and doesn't say anything back, that's not like, haha, I'm the funniest. It's like, no, no. I like, struck a chord. Yeah. So like, I. At first I was a little defensive about it, but then I like, really thought about it. I don't think I ever said this to you. Thank you for saying it. Sorry. I just took it on my own and like, was just doing the work to fix it. But thank you for bringing it up. Yeah. That was on me to be like, oh, I take it a little too far sometimes. And he's just not saying anything. So I do think that maybe having a conversation would be helpful, but I do think maybe you have to start it with like, I'm not attacking. This isn't like me going for, like, who you are as a person, which is very annoying. But like, sometimes when you give someone an adjustment or like a criticism, it feels like you're attacking them as a person.

[C]

Oh, absolutely. And that's really their problem.

[B]

But unfortunately you have to like, mitigate people's feelings.

[C]

Yeah. But I think maybe you can have a conversation when it's not in the moment, when it's not like you just received or gave an, like a roast. Like, just like an aside. Like, hey, I was thinking, you know, I have so much fun with you guys when we're not roasting each other. What if we just keep that energy because it feels like things get really tense when we do get into roast mode. Yeah. And hopefully they'll agree.

[B]

I also, this sucks. But when you criticize people or ask someone to adjust, sometimes they'll go, when has that ever happened?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I would just be prepared for that. Come to the. The discussion with at least one or two examples.

[C]

Also, like, you know, these. You. If you like hanging out with these people, they should still be your friends. But maybe that rose energy can go to other friends. Like, maybe, maybe this is just not the group.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That, that, that you can flow with like, that. Hopefully. I don't know if this is their main friend group or, or only friend group or what. But like, there probably are people who do understand your humor and that and there's a flow that can happen there. These people might not be it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I think that's really great, Sasheer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe it's finding some new friends.

[C]

Yeah. Find some friends who can meet you.

[B]

Meet you where you're roasting.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Kim. Meet you in the oven.

[C]

It's hot in here. Get in the kitchen.

[B]

So should we do.

[C]

Let's do one more.

[B]

Just one more. Just give us one more.

[A]

Okay. Hi, Nicole and Sashir. Thank you for making me and my mom laugh so hard. We snort every week. You brighten up our days. I have a dilemma. My partner is recently divorced with two sweet, wonderful, and way too energetic children, 5 and 8. His ex is a real see you next Tuesday, if you catch my drift. And has done nothing but make our lives miserable since we became official about a year ago. This year I was invited to Christmas at his parents, but she and her new partner will also be there. I politely declined because Christmas isn't really my thing. And I spend that day watching horror movies and celebrating birthday week because it gets ignored thanks to Christmas. Long story short, I'm feeling. I'm feeling guilty because the kids want me there and I know my wonderful man does too, but I'm already in my depressees and don't know if I can fake it until I make it. What would y' all do? Suck it up for four plus hours or take time for yourself? I also work retail, so that week will already be hell. Thank you, love.

[C]

You.

[B]

Don'T have kids, so don't know that life. Yeah, but I do know about showing up when people want you to. I think it's worth having a conversation with this ex.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Just to be like, hey, can this be like a neutral thing? Like, I know we don't really see eye to eye. I don't know really, we don't like get along, but do you mind if we just like put on a nice happy face for these kids on Christmas? I think that might alleviate some of it. I also think working retail does suck, but like, maybe if you can take a couple days off during Christmas week.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think maybe Christmas Eve could be when you like after the kids go to bed. If they live with you full time, like, or if they're with you, then like maybe after they go to bed you watch a horror movie. I think you can still do some of these self care things, but I think you can also show up when people are asking you to. I really like that.

[C]

Yeah, I feel like there's always a way to compromise and like not like fully abandon what you want, but also give a little bit of what other people are asking of you. Like, yeah, if, if it is like going over and like sharing Christmas with the ex, maybe you're just there for an hour. Like, yeah, be like, I'm Just showing up, say hi.

[B]

Hi. Hi.

[C]

Hi. Maybe you look at presents or whatever, you know, I don't know what the traditions are, but like just like for a second and then be like, like, and now I'm gonna go.

[B]

Yeah, you're leaving?

[C]

Yeah, like, yeah. Cause at least you showed up. Yeah. And. And that's what people will remember, hopefully. And they don't need you there for the entire night. I would hope, I would hope that they would also be understanding enough to be like, yes, thank you so much for trying. And you showed up and you can go home now.

[B]

And I tend to think, at least for me, sometimes showing up is enough, that I'm like, oh, it's not that bad. Bad. I can stay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You might be surprised, like four hours or whatever. You're gonna have to drag me out of here. I'm having fun. Give me another present.

[C]

Yeah, you might be surprised. It might not be actually as bad as you think it is.

[B]

Yeah, I think sometimes we catastrophize and set up the worst case scenario. So you're like, I'm just not gonna do it. But then it's like, sometimes not that bad.

[C]

Yeah. My girlfriend likes water sports and I don't care. I'll go to the beach. And I have gotten in the water and I've splish splashed around and then been like, gotta get out of the water now. But I'm like, you know what? She really wants me to, like, enjoy these activities with her. I will try. And I went wakeboarding recently and I got a bunch of water in my mouth and my nose and I was like, this is really exhausting. But I did.

[B]

But you did it.

[C]

Yeah, I did. I did three tries. The first one, the little hold handle flew right out of my hand and.

[B]

I was like, that's harder than I.

[C]

Thought it would be. And then the second time, fully face plan into the water and the third time I stood up and then went right back down and I was like, I did it and I don't want to do it anymore. And she's like, you don't have to. Thank you for trying.

[B]

And that's nice. That is. I mean, you could have just gotten on the boat, but you went a step further and said, I will actually try this thing that I don't think I'm gonna like. And then I didn't like it.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

You know, I think, yeah, I think there's something to like. Like I can meet this person halfway.

[C]

Yeah, why not? I think people will just be happy that you even tried yes. Yeah.

[B]

Trying is better than not.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

And then she dies.

[C]

She just passed away.

[B]

Solved. Well, that's it.

[C]

That's it. And if you have any questions or queries for us, you can email us at nicole and sashir gmail.com or call us. Us.

[B]

We've got a number.

[C]

I'm sorry, that wasn't very nice.

[A]

I just left you with a number at 323-238-6554.

[C]

Thank you, Ali. Yes.

[B]

Thank you, Ali. Well, signing off from Los Angeles, Killerburn Cityscapes. Cityscapes. Goodbye.

[C]

Goodbye.

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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