Sasheer Has A Lot Of Unread Emails w/ Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey (Re-Release)

Summary

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Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata

Episode: "Sasheer Has A Lot Of Unread Emails" (w/ Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey) – Re-Release
Date: November 6, 2024
Podcast Network: Headgum

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Episode Overview

In this joyful and nostalgic episode, Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata sit down with Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey—real-life best friends and stars of The Office—to explore the intricacies of deep friendship. Through a reprise of their popular "Besting Each Other" segment, the hosts and their guests swap stories, compare notes, reveal their quirks, and reflect on how their legendary friendship grew both on and off the set. The episode is warm, hilarious, and unexpectedly moving, offering insights into sustaining meaningful relationships. Highlights include favorite travel memories, the realities of unread emails, dreaming about retirement adventures—and, of course, a behind-the-scenes look at The Office BFFs’ new book.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catching Up & Travel Talk

• Nicole and Sasheer bond over the exhaustion of travel and the minor indignities of air travel—such as flight attendants commenting on passengers' sleep habits.
• Sasheer details her extensive recent travel, emphasizing the logistical challenge of packing cute but foldable outfits.
  • "I was trying to figure out how to pack in a way that's still cute outfits, but very foldable." — Sasheer [00:51]
• Nicole laments the unsolicited commentary of flight attendants:
  • "How dare you talk about how I nap." — Nicole [02:01]

Introducing Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

• Jenna and Angela, co-authors of "The Office BFFs," join the show to participate in the “Besting Each Other” game—a series of questions designed to test and explore their friendship.
• Nicole confesses she only recently started watching The Office, marveling at its humor.

Building a Best Friendship

• Jenna and Angela recount the timeline of their friendship:
  • They were cast on The Office together and met on the pilot, but only became best friends during the filming of “Basketball” (Season 1).
  • A memorable three days on a bench doing background work prompted a deep life-exchange, solidifying their bond.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "On that bench, we told each other our life stories... just fell in love with her and we've been best friends ever since." — Jenna [06:09]

Deepening Friendship: Vulnerability & Trust

• Both guests highlight that sharing “childhood traumas” is a signal that a friendship is now for real.
  • "On day two and a half, we were like, 'should we do childhood traumas?'” — Jenna [07:35]
• They swap personal stories, serious and silly, to demonstrate their closeness.

Favorite Travel Memory: The Guitar Incident

• Jenna tells the story of carting a gigantic guitar on a work trip to New York, only to never play it—and then fracturing her back in four places in a fall.
  • Angela took care of Jenna throughout her recovery, highlighting the caregiving component of their friendship.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "She totally nursed me back to health... and then the guitar is just, like, in the corner. Just like it's a curse." — Jenna [10:08]

What They Love Most About Each Other

• Jenna appreciates Angela's unwavering support and acceptance:
  • “Even the parts of me that I can’t stand, like, she still likes me.” [12:52]
• Angela admires Jenna’s unique ability to make her laugh—really laugh:
  • “She cracks me up. She’s got this really great sidebar commentary because she’s smart and funny.” [35:15]

Quirks That Drive Each Other Crazy

• Jenna, structured and routine-oriented, sometimes clashes with Angela’s more fluid, feeling-led nature.
• Jenna names Angela's habit of leaving hyper-detailed voicemails about the same French café—every time—as a (funny) frustration.
  • "Tell me this juicy story about the person at the cafe. So the preamble to the stories with information that I know so well already...I did hit a wall." — Jenna [17:35]
• Angela’s notorious overflowing email inbox (1,688 unread!) causes Jenna anxiety.
  • "I hate email. I hate it so much right now..." — Angela [36:55]

The Big "Survivor" Question

• Both are asked who would do better on Survivor—a playful way to examine their traits.
  • Jenna is a diehard fan (and married by Jeff Probst!), but feels Angela’s social graces would win out.
  • Angela vehemently disagrees, saying only Jenna could handle the deprivation and strategy.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "I'm not gonna use a leaf to wipe my butt. I'm not gonna do that." — Angela [41:18]

Dreaming of the Future

• Both dream of retirement adventures:
  • Jenna wants to ride trains through Scotland and tour factories across the U.S. with Angela.
  • Angela envisions herself as a bird-loving gardening lady, somewhere coastal with forest and sea, while Jenna thrives in New York City.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "If you find a best friend that shares your fascination with factory tours, you know you have found the one." — Jenna [27:17]

Breakfast, Burners, & Getting Older

• Jenna's breakfast routine: eggs and strawberries, always.
  • "I do have like, I probably have like, a thousand unread emails in, like, my burner email, you know?” — Jenna [53:27]
• Each reflects on aging, changing beauty standards, and how teens "figured it out so quick" today.

Validation: Are You Really Best Friends?

• Nicole and Sasheer summarize both responses throughout, seeing if the best friends’ answers match. The pair scores high on compatibility, humor, and mutual understanding.
• Joyous validation as "Best Friends" is confirmed on air.

The Office BFFs Book

• Jenna and Angela reveal their book documents both their on-set and off-set journey, filled with stories, personal photos, and memorabilia.
  • "It's not just a memoir of the show, but also of our best friend friendship." — Jenna [63:20]
  • "We just think the stuff that we found was really special and we wanted to put it all in one place." — Jenna [65:27]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "How dare you talk about how I nap." — Nicole [02:01]
• "On that bench, we told each other our life stories... just fell in love with her and we've been best friends ever since." — Jenna [06:09]
• "On day two and a half, we were like, 'should we do childhood traumas?'" — Jenna [07:35]
• "She totally nursed me back to health... and then the guitar is just, like, in the corner. Just like it's a curse." — Jenna [10:08]
• "Even the parts of me that I can’t stand, like, she still likes me." — Jenna [12:52]
• "She cracks me up. She’s got this really great sidebar commentary because she’s smart and funny." — Angela [35:15]
• "Tell me this juicy story about the person at the cafe. So the preamble to the stories with information that I know so well already...I did hit a wall." — Jenna [17:35]
• "I hate email. I hate it so much right now..." — Angela [36:55]
• "I'm not gonna use a leaf to wipe my butt. I'm not gonna do that." — Angela [41:18]
• "If you find a best friend that shares your fascination with factory tours, you know you have found the one." — Jenna [27:17]
• "It's not just a memoir of the show, but also of our best friend friendship." — Jenna [63:20]
• "We just think the stuff that we found was really special and we wanted to put it all in one place." — Jenna [65:27]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:51] – Sasheer’s travel struggles and airplane commentary
• [03:33] – Nicole admits being new to The Office; Jenna on fan life
• [05:01] – How Jenna and Angela met; becoming best friends
• [07:35] – The “childhood traumas” friendship milestone
• [08:09] – Jenna’s “Guitar Trip” story
• [12:06] – What Jenna loves about Angela
• [17:35] – Voicemail & cafe story routine; communication quirks
• [19:19] – Survivor fan talk; Jeff Probst wedding tidbit
• [27:17] – The factory tour dream
• [36:55] – Angela’s unread emails problem
• [41:18] – Survivor bathroom logistics (and Angela’s hard ‘No’)
• [53:27] – Email chaos and the burner account
• [59:37] – Jenna’s breakfast habits confirmed
• [63:20] – Details about “The Office BFFs” book

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Closing Thoughts

This episode offers an unfiltered, heartwarming, and hilariously honest depiction of real-world best friendship—messy emails and all. With behind-the-scenes stories, confessions, inside jokes, and dreams for the future, Nicole and Sasheer create a loving playground for friendship, inviting listeners to reflect on their own close bonds. Jenna and Angela’s dynamic is the perfect showcase of how relationships evolve, deepen, and survive life’s many plot twists. The “Besting Each Other” quiz reveals not only a strong memory but enduring affection.

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Highly recommended for fans of The Office, friendship seekers, or anyone who loves a good story about finding—and keeping—your person.

Transcript

[A]

Hello, sasheer. Oh, hi, Nicole. Fancy seeing you here.

[B]

Oh, so fancy. It's the fanciest.

[A]

Wait, are you wearing overalls?

[B]

I'm wearing overalls. I haven't worn these in a while.

[A]

Those are nice. They're pinstriped. Their signatures, the sheer colors. Beige and less beige.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I like them.

[A]

They're cute.

[B]

Thank you very much. Yeah, I. I'm, like, going from place to place.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

In this. This trips. I went to Indiana to.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

I went to New Mexico. To Indiana, back to New Mexico, and then I go to Austin, and then I go home. So I was trying to figure out how to pack in a way that's, like, still cute outfits, but very foldable.

[A]

Boy, oh, boy. I. It's funny because I've done that. I've done. I've been on a plane that much. I've been away from home that long. Just not in a couple of. Like, in a while.

[B]

In a while. It's exhausting.

[A]

Ooh, girl, Planes.

[B]

I'm out of. I'm out of practice.

[A]

The whole getting on, the whole getting off, the whole talking to a flight attendant. Come on. Ew.

[B]

Okay, so you've told this to me many times, where you fall asleep, and then the flight attendant's like, you were a good little sleeper. And it's, like, so weird. That happened to me yesterday. I fell asleep also not that long. I was, like, waking up. Fell asleep. Woke up to eat, because of course I gotta eat.

[A]

Yes, you will always eat.

[B]

And then. And then fell back asleep. And the flight attendant, as I was walking off was like, you got a good nap.

[A]

It. And I was like, why are you.

[B]

Why are you even commenting on my nap style?

[A]

Like, what's.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I think it's pretty dang rude because it's like, we're adults. How dare you? How dare you talk about how I nap.

[B]

Yeah, I just want you to ignore that I even did anything. Don't comment on how I ate, how I dress, how I nap, how I opened the window.

[A]

Honestly, that would be very. No, if you open the window on a plane, they have to comment. They have to tell you to comment. Don't even.

[B]

Don't even. It's my business. It's my seat.

[A]

No, they're gonna be like, ma', am, no, you can't. We're getting sucked out.

[B]

No, I was like, it's too hot.

[A]

Ooh, we. We have two fun guests today. We have Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. They wrote a book. It's called Office BFFs tales of the office from two best friends who were there by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. It comes out May 17, 2020. So up first is Jana. Okay, so share.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Intro.

[B]

Okay, so now we're at a part of our show that we haven't done in a long time. So here's. Here goes.

[A]

I'm excited, Sasheer. We haven't done this in forever, but.

[B]

This is a great way to get back into it. It's called Besting each Other, where we talk to best friends about their best friendships. And first up in this duo, we have Jenna Fisher. Thank you so much for being here. Yay.

[C]

I am so excited. Thank you for having me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, we should get into the questions, but first, Jenna, I just want to say I'm 10 years or 15, maybe 20 years late, but I just started watching the Office this year, and boy, oh, boy, it's funny. I don't know if you know.

[C]

I'm so excited that you found the Office. You know, Angela and I have our podcast where we're rewatching an episode every week. So I kind of feel like I'm now a weird geek fan of my own show that I was on.

[B]

Oh, good.

[C]

Um, I'm dropping, like, weird references and texting people memes of my own show. Like, just a regular fan of it.

[A]

I like it. That makes me happy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Nicole was live tweeting it, which I guess wasn't live tweeting because it wasn't live, but like past tweeting, future tweeting. Just as if every. Everyone's watching the same episodes. Like, guys, can you believe this? Jim and Ham.

[A]

What?

[B]

And everyone's like, yeah, it's crazy.

[A]

I was like, will they then spoiler? No, I won't spoil it because there's someone listening who hasn't seen it, and they need to discover the magic. Anyway, your best friend Angela.

[C]

Yeah, my best friend Angela.

[A]

How did you two meet?

[C]

We met on the pilot of the Office. We were both cast on this show and that is how we met, but that is not when we became best friends.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

In fact, I. Angela, might have to weigh in here, but I'm pretty sure that we did not exchange phone numbers after the pilot. So we met on the pilot. I loved her. She would, like, hang out with me all the time and we would have lunch and we were chitty chatty and I loved it. But I think we thought that the pilot of the Office was going to be a one off. Like we were never going to see each other again. There was so little faith in the show from the network and the powers that be and the critics who already hated us even though they'd never seen it. I think we all just thought it was going to be this little experience that we all treasured. And I turned 30 years old after we filmed the pilot, and I didn't invite a single cast member to my birthday because I thought I would never see them again anyway, which is weird, because now they're all some of my best friends, and I did not invite them to this milestone birthday. But anyway, you know, this was also before social media. Like, you really had to specifically ask someone for their phone number to stay in touch with them, and I don't think we did. So luckily, the show got picked up. And then during that first season, it was the basketball episode, and Angela and I didn't have very many lines, and they sat us on a bench together to watch the majority of the episode go by. And we just did background work for 12 hours a day for three days in a row. And on that bench, we told each other our life stories. Just fell in love with her, and we've been best friends ever since.

[D]

Oh, I love that.

[A]

Aw. I like that. Wait, is the basketball episode where it's the warehouse employees versus the people in the office?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yes, that one. Yes. And Roy and Jim playing on opposite teams. And who is Pam rooting for? She's so torn. Yeah.

[B]

Do you remember if there was a story you told or a story Angela told during those three days where you were like, oh, okay, now we're getting in deep. Like, what was the first? Like, this is no longer surface anymore. Now we're getting into the real shit.

[C]

Yeah. That's such a great question. So I think we, like, went deep into our childhoods. Like, on day two and a half, we were like. We were like, should we. Should we do childhood traumas?

[A]

Let's do it.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

That is really a marker of, like, now we're friends.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I feel like this year I've told you a lot of traumatic things on beaches, like, at sunsets.

[C]

Yeah, you just study yourself. Like, sunset Beach. Or like, hold on, I gotta get ready.

[A]

Yeah. I'm like, this is nice. Should I ruin it? Okay, Jenna, what is your favorite memory of traveling with Angela?

[C]

Okay, so I already know Angela's gonna say the same thing, because there was this time we had to travel to New York together, and I had just started playing the guitar. I had been cast in a movie, and they gave me a guitar, even though my character didn't play. I had to, like, Hold a guitar. So I became slightly obsessed with the guitar and I. It was a three day trip to New York, but I took it with me. I took it on the plane with me.

[B]

Oh my God, that's so awesome.

[C]

Yes. And I was convinced. I was convinced that I was gonna play this guitar during this three day, massive, like publicity event in New York, you know, like, where you have no time. I don't know. I couldn't be without it. And Angela still gives me shit about that because I guess I just like ran into a lot of people and it like slowed us down. And. And then I. On that same trip, I ended up falling down a set of stairs and I. I broke my back in four places.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Yes. And. And I never did play the guitar. And Angela took care of me during this whole thing. We actually put this whole story in our book. I had to like, live in New York in a hotel for two weeks.

[A]

Oh my God.

[C]

Before I could travel again. And then, like, she had to figure out how to get the guitar home. She hates this guitar, you guys. I don't play guitar today. Like, it's. It was just. It was the guitar trip.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's most memorable for many reasons. But what's interesting is that what's memorable about it is not that I broke my back in four places and had to convalesce in New York. It's that the guitar, it was like the freaking guitar.

[D]

And it just.

[C]

I remember laying in the hotel room and Angela was there with me. She. We, like, she totally nursed me back to health. And she's in one bed and I'm in another bed. And then the guitar is just like in the corner. Just like sitting in a corner. Just like it's a curse. Yeah. Oh, maybe I. That's. I should never play guitar as.

[B]

Don't over try.

[C]

Because I was thinking about trying again recently. I think I should not.

[A]

It's not for you.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

If you want to stay, do it.

[A]

No, no. I have a logistical question. After you break your back and then you have to get on a plane, you can't like, lay down. How do you.

[C]

Yeah. So the way I broke my back was I broke the transverse vertebrae, which are those little wingy things that like stick off your spine and it's sort of like breaking your ribs where like. So it's. I guess if you're gonna break your back, it's the best way to do it. Just for a tip.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

For anyone out there. But what happens is your muscles, they form a type of cast, like, the. The. My. My most difficult part of the recovery was how just, like, stiff I was. But that was important because the muscles were, like, holding my spine in place while the bones healed. And so I was actually meant to, like, walk around a lot and sit up. Sit up a lot. Like, that motion was good for recovery and sitting actually, like, hurt, but laying hurt, too. Like, the most comfortable thing was to kind of just stand in one place.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

It was very interesting time.

[A]

That fucking guitar.

[C]

And I know. All because. I mean. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm fine.

[B]

I'm glad you're okay. Yeah, I'm glad you're okay now. My goodness. What is your favorite thing about Angela.

[C]

First of all? I know. Well, I guess I would say she's very funny, and she makes me laugh, and I like funny people. So I think that was an important quality. And a best friend for me is that we laugh a lot together. And she is very, like, unwavering in her support, like, and love and acceptance of me. So, like, even the parts of me that I can't stand, like, she still likes me, you know, Like, I just feel, like, liked by her and loved by her, but, like, in a very constant way, and it just means the world to me. She's not judgy, you know, she's, like, truly lovingly supportive.

[A]

What a dream. I love that. Okay, what is Angela's favorite thing about you?

[C]

Um, I don't know.

[A]

It's a hard question.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It is.

[C]

It's a hard question because I see it feel like sort of like I won the lottery with her as a best friend. Like, I'm so lucky that she liked me back.

[B]

I think.

[C]

Well, I'm very good at listening, and she can just keep talking and keep talking and keep talking through something, and I never get tired of it. And I don't know. I mean, I love her back, you know, Like, I accept her, too. There's really nothing she can do that would ever make me give her up. So I feel like maybe that part's mutual.

[B]

Yeah, that's really special.

[A]

Yeah, I love that.

[B]

Okay, what is something that you do that drives Angela crazy?

[C]

So this is interesting because since we started working together, I think we discovered things that irritate one another about the other. So, like, before we were working together, I think these personality traits, they didn't, like, they didn't bump up so much just in friendship life. So something that I do that irritates her. I am very structured and very. I don't do well with Change or, like, when my structure is off. So, like, I eat the same breakfast every day, and I have my little routines, and I think, like, maybe she could find that a little bit. She's not like that. Like, she's. She's like, sort of leads with feelings, and she has a great work ethic, but she's more fluid of a person. And so I think maybe, like, I need more. You know what I mean? Like, I just have more, like, particulars. Yeah, I guess.

[A]

What do you eat for breakfast every morning, if you don't mind me asking?

[C]

I have eggs and strawberries.

[A]

Ooh.

[C]

Sometimes hard boiled, sometimes scrambled. I mean, I do shake it up.

[B]

Okay, so there's variety in the egg form.

[C]

Yes, but egg and fruit, sometimes I'll do, like, some other fruit, but mostly strawberries every day.

[A]

I love strawberries, and this makes me happy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, didn't you grow some strawberries recently, Jenna?

[A]

Thank you. I was a farmer for a while. I. Japanese.

[C]

I remember.

[A]

I think they're called June bearing strawberries. And they're so sweet and delicious. They're really hard to grow. You just have to water them every single day. And you have to get the amount of water right. Otherwise, if you over water, they're not as sweet. It was. It was very hard being a farmer. The farm has since shut down due to lack of time and services.

[D]

Services.

[A]

The employees, they're just too bus. Okay, Jenna, what is something Angela does that drives you crazy?

[C]

Okay, so Angela knows this. We communicate a lot by leaving each other messages. And she has this tendency in her messages to retell me information with many specifics, like. Like hundreds of times. Like, she'll describe a thing as if she's describing it for the first time, but she's describing it for the 100th time. And in particular, there's this one thing she describes to me constantly, which is this French cafe that she likes to get an iced tea at. And every time she leaves me a message, it'll be. But it'll be like, it's gonna be a juicy message. It's gonna be like, this is an impression of Angela lady. Oh, my God. I have to tell you something. I ran into such and such, and you would not believe what they told me. We were at the French Cafe. So this French ca. It has a little cafe in the back, but in the front, it's got a store, and they have the cutest items in this. And I'm like, I know. I know what you order there. I know about the store. I know about this cafe. Like, tell me this juicy story about the person at the cafe. So the preamble to the stories with information that I know so well already. Yeah, it's. It's really funny. Yeah. So that sometimes I have to just be like, lady, I have to. I had to stop that message, and I need you to redo it, and I need you to just get to it. Like, just get to the part, because I can't hear about the cafe again. I can't. I did hit a wall.

[A]

It's a really funny bit.

[C]

It's a funny bit.

[A]

It is.

[C]

No, it's true. I mean, I know it so well. And also, I've been there. Like, the first time she told me about it, I was like, oh, yeah, I know that place. It's adorable. I. I get gifts for my mom there sometimes. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[B]

But you don't know it. Like, she knows it.

[C]

Clearly not, because she. There's somehow I have not communicated to her that I get it.

[A]

Yeah. I try to leave messages for Sashir, but someone's mailbox is full.

[B]

Full of messages from you, and I have to save them somewhere else to clear out my inbox. And then as soon as it's empty again, you're like, ooh, baby, here I go. And then you start leaving tons of voicemails, and that is always the first message.

[A]

Ooh, wait, it's empty.

[B]

Imagine my surprise where I could leave my friend a message, and the message is about you leaving a message. Nothing else.

[A]

No information, Nothing. Okay, Jenna, which one of you would do better on the television show on CBS called Survivor?

[C]

Okay, so you know I'm a huge Survivor fan.

[A]

Do you know that?

[C]

Oh, did I know that Jeff Probst officiated my wedding?

[A]

That's very fun. I love that. Yeah.

[C]

So I'm. I'm friends with Jeff. We really, really wanted him. Like, when I was at the back of the aisle before I walked down, I really wanted him to shout to me and my dad, come on in, guys. You know that's a catchphrase. Yeah, that's his catchphrases.

[A]

Come on in.

[B]

Come on in, guys.

[C]

Like, whenever people are coming to, like, one of the challenges, he always says, come on in, guys. But I didn't. No, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I thought, like, we just have the Beatles song playing, and then I just. I'll walk down like a regular bride, I guess.

[A]

Wait, the Beatles song?

[C]

Yeah, you know that. Here Comes the sun. That's what I walked down the aisle to. Oh, that's instead of come on in, guys.

[B]

I think it's a good choice.

[C]

Okay. So I'm a huge fan of Survivor, so I know the show very well. And in that sense, I would have a huge leg up on Angela, who I don't think watches it regularly. I mean, I'm currently watching it. Right now I'm watching it. And during the pandemic, my family, we started binging it with our kids. So now we have totally indoctrinated our kids. They are into it. We are a Survivor family.

[A]

However.

[C]

I, I ultimately, I think Angela would win Survivor over me because she's just better with the social game. Like, I'm very. I get real hangry. Um, I don't do well with no sleep. I, like, have a hard time containing irritation. So in that way, I think I would do very poorly on Survivor. Whereas Angela is, like, much better at that stuff. Like, she's definitely, like, the friendly face of this operation.

[A]

Mm. Okay.

[B]

I mean, those are the qualifications. I feel like me and Nicole would both fail. We both get hangry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We both show when we're irritated.

[A]

Uh huh. We both need sleep. Yeah. Last night I was so hungry, I was screaming in my own car.

[B]

I've been by yourself just screaming.

[A]

No, I was with a friend. I was screaming, I'm not okay. And then I demanded that my Chemical Romance song be played. And then I screamed saying that. And then I felt better. And then I got a little bagel and I felt much, much better.

[B]

Oh, good. Okay, Jenna, last question.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What do you hope you're both doing 20 years from now?

[C]

I hope we are both retired. And I really hope that we take a train ride through Scotland together.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

As, like, old ladies who travel together, we also really, really want to travel around the country, going to different factories, factory tours. Like, there's this sandal place in Florida. We'd really like to tour that factory together. There's the Sass shoe factory. We'd like to see that factory. We have a lot of factories we want to go to.

[A]

What is sashu factory? And what is the sandal factory in Florida?

[C]

Oh, I can never remember the sandal factory. I think it's in Key west, and I bought a pair of sandals there a long time ago, like, as a kid on a family trip. Oh, Kino. I think that's what they're called. Kino sandals.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I loved them so much that, like, years later, when they finally fell apart, I figured out, like, they would send you a pair, but you had to get a money order from your bank, you had to get like a. Or a cashier's check. And they're only. The sandals are only like 16 bucks. But I went to my bank and I got this cashier's check and I sent it off so I could get another pair. And that was like 15 years ago. And they still have them. They're the best sandals in the whole world. Oh, and they do a factory tour and I've talked Angela into going with me again. And then we can get lots of sandals without any cashier's checks at all.

[A]

Wait, do you still have to get a Cashier's check in 2022?

[C]

I don't think so. I think now they probably just have a website with regular ordering. But this was a while ago.

[A]

And. Wait, what is it called? I'm now interested.

[C]

I think Kino K I N O Sandals. Is that a place? Yes. They're waving from the booth. Yeah. Oh, and they're so comfortable and they last forever.

[B]

And are you just going to shoe factories or are there other types of factories that you're going to?

[C]

I'm so sorry. No, no. Well, we're going to go to other factories as well. I'm trying to think. We have a list going of all the factories.

[B]

And what is the fascination with factories? Just you like, seeing how things are made.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And like meeting people that work at the factory. Like, especially, like, you know, specialty factories or. I don't know, like, I went to. Have you ever been, like, I did actually go to Scotland and I went to the Obon factory where they make the. Is it whiskey or bourbon Oban. Is it a whiskey or a bourbon? I don't know the difference between the two, but honestly, fascinating. And in the barrels. And then you see them stirring it, you know, I don't know.

[A]

I love this. I mean, I have a. A fascination with doors and I love doors. And sometimes people think it's really weird, but they're just like, nice. And what did I say? They open you to new. I care. I said something real dumb like open.

[B]

You to new possibilities or something. Or new opportunities.

[C]

You gotta put that on a mug.

[B]

But I take you to a door fact.

[A]

Oh, my God, I would die.

[C]

I think there's a. I think there's an Instagram called like, In Love with Doors or something for people who love doors. Because I have one that I follow called In Love with Tiles. Because I also really love, like hand painted decorative tile. I went to a tile factory here in California.

[A]

Oh, amazing. I would do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they make it. They hand paint it. Yeah. I think you can follow door photo. Do you like. But would that satisfy you, or do you need to physically go through the door?

[A]

No, no, no. I love doors. Is pretty good.

[B]

It's just what seems outside of door.

[C]

It's just doors. It just pictures of doors.

[A]

Those are great. I love those doors. Yeah, I just. I guess I love big doors, small doors. I just love a door and a door factory. I'd lose my mind.

[B]

I don't know if I want to go to a chair factory, but I would want to see, like, someone hand craft a chair.

[A]

We gotta find you an artisanal chair maker.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Who will be like, and this is how you'll make them. And they're like, old and wrinkly. Yeah.

[B]

They're like, my family's been doing this for hundreds of years. I'm like, oh, my God.

[A]

Please explain everything in my brain. The person making your chair will look like a California raisin. And I don't know why.

[B]

It'S all shriveled up.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, Jenna, I'm very curious. So those two factories, what other factory do you really want to go to?

[C]

All right, let me think about it. Gosh. Angela has the list. She knows where we're going. I think there's a potato chip factory in Pennsylvania that we heard about that we wanted to go to hers potato chips.

[B]

I think I do like hers. It's a good chip.

[C]

I'm trying to think where else we can go. We've been invited to several because our love of factories.

[A]

I really.

[C]

Listen, if you. If you find, like, a best friend that shares your fascination with factory tours, I mean, you know, you have found the one. My husband is not going on any factory tours with me. You know what I mean? He's like, that's for you and Angela in your retirement when you travel around. But the thing about a factory tour is, like, there's also a town that goes with it. You know, there's a whole vibe. There's people. You know, it's like a slice of life. You know, you get to get an insight into, like, this. This product, but then also, like, the. The surrounding area. You know, it's like a little getaway. We probably are staying in a bed and breakfast.

[B]

Oh, that sounds great.

[A]

That sounds.

[C]

You know. And then we're meeting the innkeepers, and we're, you know, we are old ladies, basically.

[B]

Isn't there a honey bunches of oats factory that keep putting in the commercial? And they look so happy.

[A]

That lady I think she's an actual factory worker that was just charismatic, and she became the honey bunches of oats lady. Go talk to her.

[B]

Okay, well, now we have to send you away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're gonna bring Angela in, and we're gonna ask her all the same questions.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And see what.

[C]

I'm so curious. Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

All right, I'll see you guys in a bit.

[B]

See you soon.

[A]

Okay, bye. What's up? Oh, not much. Just. Oh, you know.

[D]

Ding.

[A]

What?

[D]

Making a podcast.

[B]

Now for the second half of Besting each Other, we have Angela with us, and we're gonna ask you the same questions that we asked Jenna and see what your answers are in comparison.

[A]

So I hope you're ready. Here's the first question we'll never know.

[D]

Here we go.

[A]

Okay. Angela, how did you and Jenna meet?

[D]

We met on the pilot of an NBC sitcom called the Office. I sat over in accounting. What's up? Accounting department. Jenna was the closest gal to my seat. So there was this partition right between us, and I would turn around, and I would get up on my tippy toes because I'm a short stack, and I would just lean over and be like, what you doing? What's. What's happening over there? Do you have a stapler? I have a stapler. Do you have post its? Post its? I have tape. Do you have tape? Do they give you tape? I'm a little chatty, you guys, and, you know, I probably just talked her into friendship, basically. I just talked to her and talked to her.

[A]

Do you remember the moment where you were like, ah, this is a good friend. This is. This is the person that I really want to, like, talk to outside of work.

[D]

I do. I do. It's. You know, we were filming this episode called Basketball, and we were seated next to each other for the very first time. Like, for real. Like, not with a partition between us. We were on this bench, and we were there all day watching the guys play basketball, and we just got to gab and gab, and we sort of, like, solved all the world's problems, but not really. But, you know, like, we, like, spilled all of our stuff and told all of our life stories, and we were leaving one night. We'd been there all day on set. We were walking through the parking lot, and we were just, like, laughing our butts off and being really silly. I started that. You remember Laverne and Shirley Shamil? Shamoz. You guys, I'm 100. You probably don't know.

[A]

I know.

[D]

Nicole, you're so young. Go to Nick at night for the old people's.

[B]

That's why I watched it.

[D]

Oh, my God. I'm leaving. Goodbye.

[B]

But, well, now Friends is on Nick at night, so we all know.

[D]

Trust me. Trust me. And Steve Kroll was, like, quietly walking behind us, and we were, like, so embarrassed when we saw him because we were doing the whole Laverne and Shirley dance, and he pointed at us, and he was like, you guys, no matter what happens with the show, because, you know, we were on the chopping block. He was like, this is what you. You're gonna have. And I was like, oh, my gosh, Steve Carell. Oh, my God, it's Steve Carell, and I'm talking to you. I was such a fan, but, yeah, that he was right, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's so sweet.

[A]

That is really sweet. I can't believe you guys were ever on the chopping block.

[C]

I know.

[B]

It just seems strange.

[A]

You never know.

[B]

But it's like, yeah, I think a huge hit. Like, that was ever.

[D]

Our first season was six episodes, and when we were done, you know, they had a little nameplate on your trailer door. I was in. I was in. I had a trailer with Kate Flannery. Like, we basically. We had accordion door that separated, like, it was the most, like, janky trailer. We just. Our toilets. If you both sat in your toilets, your knees would touch. So we made a little like, we're never going to the bathroom in here. But I took my name plate off the door because I was like, well, that's it. Like, I'm. This will be the one time I was on a TV show. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna take my name with me.

[A]

And then you got to bring it back over and over and over again.

[D]

Oh, thank you, Jesus.

[B]

Every day it's put. Put it back on the door.

[A]

Just like every day.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

They were like, angela, will you. Will you bring that back, please? NBC on set. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.

[B]

Okay. What is your favorite memory of traveling together?

[D]

I mean, we've traveled a lot of places, but Jenna had this idea one year that she was going to learn to play guitar. She's very much like that. She's like, I have an idea. I'm gonna learn to do this thing. And then she leans hard into it. I bail. I'm a bailer. She's a her. Into her. But she was going to play guitar, and she wanted to take it to New York City for our NBC upfronts. I'm like, jenna, we're there, like, three days you're going to take a flipping guitar with you. And I don't know if guitars come in different sizes. I guess they do. But I just want you to know she had the biggest guitar they make. It was, like, the size of a Buick. It was so huge. And she had a special case for it, like, in a backpack that she had to strap to her back. It was enormous. It was as tall as me. And then, like, when we went to go to the bathroom, like, just getting it through the airport was just a pain in the butt. They pulled her aside for security. It was a whole thing. And then. Then she had to pee, and I had to carry it while she peed. Like, I was holding it in the bathroom. And then she got on the plane with it, and. Nobody wants to see you and your guitar get on a plane. Nobody wants that. But it just. I look back on it now, and it just cracks me up. Like, the Remembering her, like, trying to get through the stupid airport. And I don't think she opened the case the whole time we were there. I'm like, jenna, what songs did you play? She's like.

[B]

You should have asked her to actually play it during the upfronts.

[D]

Oh, that would have been amazing. Please. I think Jenna Fisher has a song she'd like to play.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, Angela.

[A]

Okay, Angela, what is your favorite thing about your friend Jenna?

[D]

Oh, you guys, she really makes me laugh. It's not easy to make me laugh. Like, I think things are funny. Like, I'll be like, oh, that is amusing. But, like, to really make me go. You know, when you really go and you're really cracking up, it's. It's like. It's. It does. It takes a lot for me. Like, my. My friends joke and say, I'm dead inside. I'm not. Just, it takes a lot to really make me have that ugly laugh where you're just losing it. And Jenna cracks me up. She's got this really, like, great sidebar commentary because she's smart and funny, and she makes me lose my shiitake. She cracks me up.

[A]

Oh, I love that. That's sweet.

[D]

Oh, Nicole, I'm just pure sweetness and sunshine. No, it's just. I'm just a tough customer when it really comes to, like.

[A]

Like.

[D]

What's the word? A goofa. I just said. I just said goof on your podcast. I'm gonna leave. I'll let myself out.

[C]

I like.

[B]

No, goofballs are welcome here.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

What do you think Jenna's favorite thing is about you?

[D]

Oh, gosh. And you're gonna read these back. Kimmy's writing it all down right now. Let's see. I mean, probably that I'm. I'm pretty laid back. Like, I, I don't get ruffled too easily, you know, so if there's a lot coming at us because, you know, we're work wives now, right? We're business partners. And so I, I usually am just like, all right, let's take a minute. Let's just hit the pause button before we, you know, flip out. And I think she bounces off of me when she, like, gets nervous or anxious about something.

[B]

That's good quality.

[D]

Okay, you guys are showing no reaction. I am. I'm, like, looking at your faces for a tell. Like, is that what you. Nothing.

[A]

We're not giving it up. We have to wait till Jenna comes back in, and then together we find out if you're actually friends. And if you don't get every question correct, then her career is over. Yeah. You're five. It's Jenna.

[D]

Oh, no.

[A]

Okay. What is something you do that drives Jenna crazy?

[D]

Oh, my gosh. There's probably a lot. I hate email. I hate it so much right now. Let's see. I haven't. Let me see what my email box is.1688. That makes her have a panic attack. That's how many is in my inbox. I know, but listen, listen. Okay, I. I. I look through and I see what's like, okay, I should look at that. And then some. I just skip because whatever. And then I forget to erase them, and then I don't know how. And then I'm like, whatever, who cares? So I think maybe just. I don't know. Guys, I hate email. I don't check my email. Maybe that drives her crazy in a list.

[B]

Are you not checking her emails?

[D]

No, I'll check her emails, Shashir. Like, I, I have my, like, my small circle, but, like, there's some I'm just not gonna get to. I'm just gonna be honest with you. There's some that aren't gonna make it to the open box.

[A]

I understand. It's really difficult. I have a ton of unanswered emails. Thank you. Not as many as you. Right now, I only have 265.

[D]

Oh, that's a goal for me, Nicole.

[A]

That's a solid amount.

[D]

If I get to 200, I'll, you know, I'll slide into your DMs. Ooh, I'll have a glass of wine.

[B]

Like, I have 8,000.

[D]

You two sheer but I did not see that coming.

[A]

I also did see that coming. 8,000.

[D]

Oh, my God. I am. I'm gonna walk out of here feeling so good about myself today.

[A]

That's sick. Oh, my God.

[D]

I bet Jenna has. I bet Jenna has.

[B]

Over time.

[D]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Exactly. I've never cleaned out my inbox, but all the ones that I'm supposed to read, I read. It's just a bunch of, like, spam stuff that happens.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

And to be fair, I have the least amount of emails unread, but I bet you there's hundreds of people waiting on an answer for me as we're talking right now.

[D]

Yes. You know what? I get a lot.

[B]

There's no response.

[D]

I get this a lot. I'll get an email that says, hey, just bumping this.

[A]

Bump all you want.

[D]

Bump it up, baby.

[A]

Okay. What is something that Jenna does that drives you crazy?

[D]

You know what? The minute her eyes open, her brain turns on. And my brain does not work that way. I need a minute. Give me a hot second, please. But, yeah, so if we. We went on this writer's retreat together to work on our book. And I mean, when she is awake, it is churning. It is going. And I'm like, I'm gonna sit here for like, 30 minutes with just, I don't know, my robe on, cup of tea. Just gonna take a little minute to wake up my brain. And I think. I think that probably drives her crazy sometimes of just like, ang, I'm awake. Let's go, let's go, let's go. I need a little bit of time.

[A]

Yeah, I need so much time. I love nothing more than just laying in my bed for like an hour and a half before I do anything.

[D]

Oh, it's so decadent if I get a morning like that. Because, you know, life, kids, whatever. I'm like, no, I'm gonna lay in bed and read. Then I'm gonna go downst and I'm going to sit on my porch. I love a porch. I'm going to read some more on my porch. Maybe I'll just zone out, just, I don't know, let the wind blow over my face for a minute.

[A]

I'll start reading on the. I don't wake up early enough to do any of the things I'd like to do in the morning. I had to do something at 10, and I woke up at 9. 58.

[D]

Yeah, let's read. You guys can't see the back of my head right now. And it's a good thing because I took my Time this morning I laid in bed, I had my porch time and it's a hot mess in the back, but I figured you'd only be seeing the front, so.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

The front looks great. Thank you.

[D]

I will sacrifice some me time over some bed head every day.

[B]

Okay, this is an important question.

[A]

Very important.

[D]

Oh, no. Okay. Is this the Survivor question?

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

Of the two of you, which one would do better on the television show Survivor?

[D]

100%. Jenna. First of all, she loves the show. She watches it like she loves it. So she probably knows strategy and whatnot. Guys, I don't like to go in the woods. I'm not gonna poop somewhere. Like, I'm not gonna use a leaf to wipe my butt. I'm not gonna do that. I don't know where they go to the bathroom. You never see where they go to the bathroom. That's an issue for me. I need to know what the toilet situation is. And I just think maybe, you know, Jenna's organized. She'd like, figure out the games. I wouldn't be good at it, guys. I would be horrible.

[A]

I never thought about it. Like, yeah, they're in the wilderness. They don't get to go to like a hotel at night. They have to shit in the woods.

[D]

Yeah, I don't go in the woods. No.

[A]

I've never shit outside of a toilet. I don't.

[D]

No. Thank you. I've peed. Listen, I have squatted. I've squatted and I've drip dried, you know, no shame. But I can't. I can't do the poop skis in the woods.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think that poop does that either.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't seem ideal. Like, I mean, I could bury it.

[D]

Yeah. What do you do with it?

[B]

You could bury it, I imagine.

[C]

What are we?

[D]

Like, we're all cats. We're all cats.

[B]

I mean, I can't imagine you just like leave it there right on top of everything.

[A]

I don't walk away that seems.

[B]

There's no trash cans.

[A]

So you just.

[D]

You guys also, when's the last time you squatted? That's a deep squat.

[A]

It is.

[D]

Like, what do you. What do you. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I'm pretty good at squatting because I do a little pole dancing. So we have to do these like.

[D]

Lady, you're super bendy. You're super bendy.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Very bendy.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Yeah, it's a compliment. Yeah.

[A]

So I think I could do a squat. Necessary. But, like, do I want to?

[D]

No, no, yeah, the toilet. You lost me at toilet survivor. Did you hear me? Yeah.

[A]

And also now I have a bidet, and I love that life.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, our. Our house growing up. You know, I grew up in Indonesia, and they. We had a bidet. They were, like, in all the bathrooms. And that was my Barbie spa to end all Barbie spas. They were all in there.

[A]

I don't understand why it's not standard here. It's really weird. It's pretty cool, actually.

[B]

I saw bidet in a public restroom recently, and I went, no way. Interesting. Like, I mean, at some restaurant in. Where was I? San Diego.

[D]

Fonsu.

[A]

Yeah. The only thing is, like, I don't necessarily sit on public toilets all the time, depending on, like, the cleanliness of the bathroom. So I'm like, I don't to bidet and a squat. That's a lot.

[D]

It's an intimate moment.

[A]

Recipe for a disaster. What if you just put those toilet.

[B]

Paper seats down, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And then that gets all moist and wet and stuck to your butt.

[D]

Well.

[A]

Well, we'll figure it out.

[D]

Well, we'll work on this. We'll circle back.

[A]

Okay. Angela, what do you hope that you and Jenna are both doing in 20 years?

[D]

Oh, Jenna loves New York City. It's like, where she feels the most, I think, herself. And I hope she's just like an old lady in New York City, you know, maybe she'll get one of those little basket that rolls, get some groceries. She'll do some theater. You know, she'll text me maybe about a cool art show she saw. Just living her best life in Manhattan. Manhattan. I hope that for her. And, you know, I'm not a real city person, so I'd like to get a little bit of land somewhere and dream would be like, where the trees meet the ocean. You know, that's kind of like a cool like. Like up where the redwoods are, you know?

[A]

Oh, okay.

[D]

Like Big Sur, that kind of area.

[A]

I was really confused. I was like, trees meeting oceans. I've never seen trees on the beach.

[D]

What's Angela talking about?

[A]

What is it?

[D]

What is this magic place? But, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'd have some animals, and I love a little bit of a garden and some bird feeders, you guys. I'm just such a dork. But I hope I'm the lady. Like, when people go on their walk, they're like, that's the lady with all the birds. Do you on TV or something?

[A]

I love that. I think that's a sweet. That's A sweet want for the neck for, like, in 20 years. That's. It's nice. It's, like, settled.

[D]

70. I'll be 70. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Huh?

[D]

50. This is 50.

[A]

It's funny because I was like, you don't look 50. But then I was like, what does 50 look like? What are eight? Who knows? I go on Instagram and I go, these 18 year olds, they look like they're 42. What is anybody anymore?

[D]

What is. Where's. Who wears the side ponytail to their prom?

[C]

Me.

[D]

Where's that? Where are those girls?

[B]

They are gone.

[D]

They are fashion.

[A]

It is funny because, like, I was pretty ugly for a minute until I figured it out. And I feel like all these teens on the Internet, they have. They, like, figured. They figured it out so quick.

[D]

They're also pretty so early. I know.

[B]

Well, they have the unfair advantage of YouTube and tick tock, where they got all these makeup tutorials. How to do your hair. We would just, like, ask friends who also didn't know how to do anything.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And just try our best.

[D]

Yeah. I'd be like, mom, can you perm my hair? My mom would be like, I'll try it. Oh, that's gonna go great.

[A]

Okay, now we have to bring Jenna back in, compare your answers, and see if this friendship stands the test of time.

[D]

Ah, no pressure. Hi, lady.

[A]

Hi.

[D]

I hope we did well on our test.

[C]

I hope so too. I feel so nervous.

[D]

I know. I am nervous.

[C]

Are we best friends or not? I don't know.

[D]

Kim. Kimmy has all the stats.

[C]

Yeah, let us know.

[A]

Okay, well, we'll let you know. We asked, how did you two meet? Jenna said, we met on the pilot of the Office. Both cast on the show, but we did. That's not when we became best friends. We had fun on the pilot. We were friendly, but we didn't think we were gonna get picked up. I didn't even invite her to my 30th birthday party. But in season one, in the basketball episode, we were on a bench watching the episode film. We did three days of background work and shared stories of of our childhood traumas. And then Angela said, met on the pilot of the Office. Angela was like, I sat in accounting. And Jenna was the closest gal to her seat. So she would wh over at Jen be like, you got staple. You got all that stuff. And then they got really close. Angela said, you guys got really close filming the basketball episode where you were seated next to each other and you shared stories and walking to the parking lot, you were laughing and Laughing and doing a Laverne and Shirley dance. And then Steve Carell saw you guys and said, no matter what happens with the show, this is what you will have.

[D]

Hey, basketball bench.

[B]

We also ask, what's your favorite memory traveling together. And you both talked about the guitar trip.

[D]

Oh, no.

[C]

Guitar.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Stupid guitar.

[A]

Angela, you didn't mention that Jenna broke her back.

[C]

Oh, well, yeah, I said it's funny because whenever we talk about that trip, we talk about the dang guitar. I broke my back on the guitar trip.

[D]

No, I know she didn't break it on the guitar. Stupid set of stairs. Which was probably also a reason why you didn't then play the guitar while you were there.

[C]

No, it just sat there.

[D]

Yeah, I didn't bring up you breaking your back because I thought it was kind of. Kind of traumatic story.

[C]

I laid all. All the trauma out.

[D]

Oh, no.

[C]

Okay. I gave it to him.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

But wait. That's two in a row.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[D]

Basketball and guitar.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, get ready for three in a row. We asked, what's your favorite thing? Your friend Jenna said, angela's very funny. Makes me laugh. Her unwavering support and love and acceptance of me. Even things that Jenna dislikes about herself, Angela cares about. She's not judgy, and she's lovingly supportive. Angela said, oh, she really makes me laugh. It is not easy to make Angela.

[B]

Laugh, but she is dead inside, according to many sources.

[A]

But Jenna cracks Angela up. She's. And she. His hilarious sidebar commentary. So, yeah, I think this is three in a row Fun.

[B]

And then we asked, what's your friend's favorite thing about you? And Jenna said that she. That Jenna herself is a great listener. Angela is very chatty, and she never gets tired of it. And Jenna loves her back and accepts her. And there's nothing Angela could do to make her want to give Jenna and up. And then Angela said, Angela's pretty laid back, easygoing, and as work wives, it's good to have somebody in that dynamic. And Jenna bounces off that energy very well when she's nervous or anxious. So I feel like it's like you guys compliment each other.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, I think we do. I think we do. I'm calling that four.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, okay, okay. We massage that one a little bit, but we're in the ballpark.

[A]

We then asked, what's something you do that drives your friend crazy? Genesis.

[D]

Oh, Lord.

[A]

Since we started working together, we've discovered things. Before working together, these personality traits didn't cause issues. Jenna's More structured. She doesn't like change. And Angela's more of a flexible, fluid person. Angela wrote, hates emails. Her inbox is full with lots of unread emails. Hates emails, doesn't check email.

[D]

Okay, wait a second.

[C]

I almost brought up Angela's emails, but I was like, it is.

[A]

Is.

[C]

It is rough.

[D]

Okay, I want you to know we had a moment because I shared my number, which is like 1,688, and then Nicole's is like, around 200. She shares. You say, Shashir. You sh.

[B]

You say, okay, let me find it again. It's.

[A]

Oh, I remember. Thousand, Thousand.

[D]

But she's like me. She should. She checks the ones that she knows you need to check. Right, Shashir? And then the other one.

[C]

I understand why you don't just delete the ones that you. You don't need.

[D]

Just delete it.

[C]

Just get that out of your life.

[B]

And I said, I don't understand this.

[D]

I don't know why. I don't know how to correct it now. It's gone on for so long. But, yeah, I said you probably have like, 6 or 7 in your inbox right now.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I could look, but I. I try to keep it under 10.

[D]

Under 10?

[C]

Under 10. Unread. I mean, listen, there's a ton in there, you know, but, like, unread, unread. How can you have 8, 000 unread? I mean, how do you sleep?

[B]

How do I sleep at night? Just fine. Because I know I answer the emails that need to be answered.

[A]

She.

[B]

Whenever I started my Gmail, I don't know when that was. 16 years ago.

[A]

16 years ago.

[B]

I don't remember. Who knows?

[D]

I.

[B]

Maybe. Actually, probably.

[A]

Yeah, probably. I don't know. We're getting old.

[C]

I also have three different emails.

[A]

Three?

[C]

Yes, because that helps me keep the junk out of the email that it reaches me most personally. So I don't order anything online to, like, my personal email where, like, friends or work contact me, because I don't need, like, 90, you know, notices of a sale at Old Navy popping up in my work email thing. Yeah, that's so very smart. If I. I do have, like, I. I probably have like, a thousand unread emails in, like, my burner email, you know?

[D]

Okay, we got to get a burner email.

[B]

Yeah, I actually have one and haven't checked it in a very long time.

[D]

I was. I wasn't gonna say anything, but I have two.

[C]

Burner.

[A]

Two.

[D]

Well, I have two. I have two because I set one up and then I Like, forgot how to get into it. And then I figured it out, but I already set up another one. Anyway, guys, problem?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I have, Yes, I have one burner email that I used to give out on podcasts and now people have just signed me up for Trash. Anywho. Okay, we asked. What is something your friend does that drives you crazy? Do you want to read this one, Sashir? Sure.

[B]

Jenna said we communicate by leaving each other messages. And Angela tends to retell me information that she's already told me a hundred times. For example, telling me about this little French cafe.

[D]

I tell her the name of it and the cross streets every time and.

[C]

What'S in it every time.

[A]

I think that's really cute.

[D]

I'm never gonna stop.

[A]

I don't think.

[B]

He said. Angela said the minute Jenna's eyes open, her brain turns on like they were on a writer's retreat. And when Jenna is awake, she is going and she's thinking. And Angela needs a minute to slow her morning down. She needs to sit there, sit there with a robe and a cup of tea, wake her brain up. And she just needs some time.

[C]

It's true. And on that writer's retreat, I knew this about her, and I would try to not speak to her. Like, you know, as soon as she would wake up and walk in the kitchen, I had like nine things I wanted to say and I would try to hold them in.

[D]

In.

[C]

But I know that she could tell because this is what I said about Survivor. Like, I'm not good at, like, containing. If it's a thought, it must be said. If it's a feeling, it must be.

[D]

I see her suppressing the nine things she wanted to say to me because, like, she would, like, you know, have like, something in her hand, like, Like a. Like a. A cup of tea or something. She'd have, like a spoon. She'd be like, stirring it, stirring it, stirring it. I'm like, okay, Jenna, what is it? What do you need to say?

[C]

You know, difficult for me.

[A]

Me. Okay. We asked which of you would do better on Survivor. So Jenna revealed she's a huge Survivor fan. Married by Jeff Probes. She's a huge leg up on Angela because she's currently watching it. She got her kids into it. They are Survivor family. But Jenna said Angela would win because she's better at the social game. Jenna gets hangry and doesn't like not sleeping.

[D]

That's true.

[A]

Jenna doesn't hide irritation. These things would affect her Survivor game. Angela is the friendly face of the operation. And then Angela said 100% Jenna. Firstly, because she loves the show. She knows strategy. Angela's not trying to go into the woods pooping God knows where. That's a big issue for Angela. She needs to figure out the toilet situation. Jenna's organized and would be able to figure out the games, and Angela said she just wouldn't be good. It.

[D]

Yeah, I don't want to go in the.

[C]

I forgot about the pooping. Angela only poops at home. I can poop anywhere.

[D]

Yeah, I can't relax in public, guys. I can't relax in public. And the one or two times I finally pooped in public, you know, like in a public bathroom, it, like, it didn't go well. Like, the toilet didn't flush. It was horrible.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

This is a. This is an area where you think it would be flipped. You would think that I need to poop in the same place at the same time every day because I have my structure, but apparently I just poop anywhere. But you. You cannot. So that would be hard for you on Survivor because I think you just dig a hole and poop.

[D]

See, I told you guys you can do it. The three of us talked about, like, the whole situation.

[B]

We were trying to figure out where you do it. Yeah, well, maybe if you guys were a team, you would both be. Well, you both have different skill sets.

[C]

We've wondered if we would be good on Amazing Race or not.

[A]

Ooh.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know. I. We. I've always said that your Amazing Race partner is Rashida Jones. Like, you two would kill it.

[D]

Well, not me. I don't think Rashida would kill it because she's like a world class traveler.

[C]

Right.

[D]

But I would just be excited to see if I could hang.

[C]

But you'd be good. Like, the two of you together, I feel like, could go really far. I don't think I'm a good candidate for any of these reality shows.

[D]

You know what, Jenna, you would get the call sheet. Sheet, and you would get like. Like the whatever. What do you call it? Like. The what? The one liner of what we're supposed to do that day. And Jenna would be like, you know what, guys, let's think this through. That outside exterior shot, I think it could be moved to later in the day. It'll be cooler out.

[C]

I could play. I could. I could run it. I could run it. And like. Yeah, but I don't think I'd be good on it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, fair. So you could be a line producer on Survivor, but not coming.

[C]

That's right.

[D]

It would Be one of their best.

[C]

We did go on Family Feud together. And we won. We did very good.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Congratulations. I love Family Feud. Steve Harvey. What a dream. I love him so much. If you like Family Feud clips, there's a very funny one where it's a woman trying to say another word for mommy. And she goes on for like a hundred years just repeating this one word. It's really funny. Anywho, we asked, what do you hope you're both doing in 20 years? Jenna said, I hope we're both retired. I hope that we take a train ride through Scotland together as old ladies who travel, travel the country, tour factories, The Sass shoe factory, a sandal factory in Florida, Keynote sandals, also other factories. Potato chip factory in Pennsylvania.

[B]

In an I just heard about factories for a while.

[A]

Angela said Jenna loves New York and that's where she feels most herself. So I hope she's an old, old lady in New York. Angela isn't a city person. She wants to go buy some land somewhere where the trees meet the ocean, have some animals, maybe a garden, maybe a bird feeder. Angela wants to be that lady with all the birds. And I have a bonus question, Angela, what does Jenna eat every day for breakfast?

[D]

She likes one egg. She has this little thing, you know, I don't know, it's like a little turquoise boys container with one egg in it. She turns it on, it makes the egg just how she likes it. And then she has some strawberries.

[A]

Wow, I love that.

[B]

Okay, you pass. What is still friends?

[C]

It's, it's a hard boiled egg thing. They're like 15, 20 bucks. And you can put up to, I think, seven eggs in it. And you put a little water and then it has a little dome on top. And then, then it steams the eggs perfectly. So you get a perfect hard boiled egg.

[A]

But can it make it a soft boiled egg? It can.

[C]

You can make it any, like, consistency that you want. It depends on how much water you put in. It comes with a little measuring cup and it says like soft boiled, medium boiled, hard boiled. And you can also do it poached. So it also has like a little container where you can crack the egg and then it'll poach it for you.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

Did you look for this specifically or did you stumble upon this on like a late night infomercial?

[C]

My mom gave it to me. I don't know how she knew about it, but my mom loves like QVC or like Home Shopping Network and they're always showing gadgets. And so she had gotten me one For a Christmas gift one year. And I love it.

[D]

They're smelly.

[B]

Sounds great.

[D]

That egg is a smelly egg.

[C]

Not because of the cooker.

[D]

Not because of the cooker. No, the cooker is doing its job. It's just, you know, that's a. That's a smell. That's a unique smell. That horror. Hard boiled egg.

[A]

It is.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. But when you're on the porch having your tea, like an hour after your friend wakes up, it's no problem.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

Because I ate my. Before you got there. That's right.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna buy one of these because I love a soft boiled egg, but I'm very bad at, like, boiling the water and stuff.

[C]

Same.

[D]

Oh, it's a cute little container. And she travels with it. She'll bring it with her. Like when we did our writer's retreat, she brought it with her.

[C]

Yeah, it's great. And it's. It's small and comes in lots of colors, so you can, you know, match it to your kitchen if you want.

[A]

I love sweet. I love it. I feel like you're doing an ad for a hard boiled.

[B]

Are they sponsoring you?

[D]

Oh, ladies, by the way, I love how you do your ads. You guys each take one, and the other day I was listening and Shashir, you got Allstate, but Nicole, you got some kind of like, vaginal, like, medicine for your vagina. And I was like, how do you pick who reads what? We do them together. So it's like line, line, line, line. But I was like, okay, maybe we could switch it up.

[A]

I don't remember why. I. We just. Kimmy just.

[B]

Nicole usually takes more of the salacious ones.

[A]

Yeah, I do love salacious. You have fun with them.

[D]

You did have fun with it. You were like, for your.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm always having a nice time. That's funny. Cuz I forgot we did ads for vagina stuff because I got a box of vagina stuff and I was like, did some.

[B]

I didn't get vagina stuff.

[A]

But you didn't get vagina stuff.

[D]

I got car insurance.

[C]

I got. You got car.

[A]

You got to check your P.O. box, baby.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, I guess I haven't been there in a while.

[A]

It's probably there.

[B]

Well, then we've found out that you are friends.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Is a beautiful friendship.

[A]

Yay.

[C]

We did it.

[B]

You did it. Thank you so much. And will you tell us more about your book? I want to know what you guys are talking about. Like, is it more of this? More of an exploration of your Friendship through the Office.

[C]

It is a little bit. It's called the office BFFs. And it is a memoir of our time on the show and of the show the Office, but it's also a memoir of our best friend friendship.

[D]

There really is, like, a journey of our friendship, you know, where we started. And I don't know about you guys, but, like, Jen and I had no idea, like, what life would be like in Los Angeles or navigating Hollywood or, like, we talk about, like, our first red carpet was a absolute shit show. But, like, we just sort of tell all of those behind the scenes moment and then even, like, where we are now. And we were both putting off organizing, like, all, like, you know, the places where you stash everything at home. We all have that stash place. And it was just like, we decided one day, let's do it together. We're gonna do it. We're gonna go through all of our boxes and. And we found hundreds of pictures and little things we saved and thousands.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Really? Thousands.

[C]

Yeah, thousands of. But, like, everything. We saved everything. Scraps of paper from our desk, like, like, prop note cards, a ticket, stuff.

[D]

From, like, Steve's movie 40 Year Old Virgin. Like, I still had that. Like, just like, the craziest things. And we were both like, what are we gonna do with all this?

[C]

So then we were like, we should scrapbook it. But then we were like, maybe we should put it into a book. Like, stories with stories. And then we found journals, which were fascinating because it's like, stuff that you don't remember now. And it would just jog all these memories of our journey, of our friendship and set. So we put it all together in one place, and we hope that fans of the Office will really love having it because it's filled with just our personal photos. I think Angela and I are the only people that brought our cameras to the pilot of the Office. So that was a early sign that we were going to be best friends because we had those. The disposable ones with the, like, sound.

[D]

Remember, you would take a picture.

[C]

Yeah. Because you didn't have digital cameras then.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

And so.

[D]

Oh, my God. We predate digital cameras.

[C]

We predate digital cameras, lady.

[D]

Holy moly.

[C]

And so we just think the stuff that we found was really special and we wanted to put it all in one place. And now we have it and we can hold it.

[D]

I'm so excited, too, for my daughter Isabel to have it and just. I don't know, just to see her mom found this great friend and they, you know, built a career together, and. And I just think that's really special. Yeah.

[C]

I'm so glad Angela was there because, like, it would have been really especially scary to try to do all that stuff without someone you trust, you know, to have, like, the fame and all of that coming out. Like, you. Just you. Angela's so grounded, and we're so the same, and it's like, we love to go to a party and be like, oh, my gosh, look who's here. But then at the end of the day, it doesn't matter to us also. And so like, it. We never got away.

[D]

Yeah. We're just kind of basic, you know? We are, but in all the same ways. So look how we showed up today.

[C]

This is happening now.

[D]

Come on. Come on.

[B]

So cute. I love this. Yeah. This is a very beautiful friendship, and thank you for sharing it with us.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

And our book comes out March.

[C]

March. No, it's May. Oh, I don't know.

[A]

It's already out.

[C]

Oh, Lord.

[A]

May.

[D]

May 17th.

[C]

May 17th.

[D]

May 17.

[B]

That's May 17th.

[D]

May 17th.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I have a Texas.

[C]

May 17th. May 17, 17th.

[D]

The other thing, you guys, we wrote every word. That was a whole learning process to learn how to write with someone. One. And it took us three years.

[C]

Yeah. We did not have a ghostwriter.

[D]

Holy crap. It took us so long. I have such new, profound respect for anyone that just cranks out books, like, book after book. I'm like, oh, man.

[C]

Yeah, it was difficult.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I couldn't imagine. I wrote a picture book with very little words. And, boy, was that hard.

[C]

It's intense.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. But it's done.

[D]

We've done it.

[A]

You did it.

[B]

The Office BFFs tales of the office from two best friends who Were There by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[C]

Yay. Yay.

[D]

Thank you, guys.

[C]

This was such a treat. I love you guys.

[A]

Thank you guys so much. Well, we didn't answer any questions this episode, but if you have a query that you want answered. Query. Just sent it. So we. Weird. Anyway, it's Nicole and Sashir. Jimmel.com and the number is 424-645-7003. And guess what? You can email us a voice memo as well.

[B]

We also have [e-mail] Best friends.

[A]

Lastly, don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe. That's the easiest way to support the show. Yay.

[B]

Okay. Bye, Nicole.

[A]

Bye, Sashiro.