Sasheer Jumps at Things That Are Normal (w/ Betsy Sodaro & Gilli Nissim)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Sasheer Jumps at Things That Are Normal"

Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata
Headgum | Released: November 12, 2025
Guests: Betsy Sodaro & Gilli Nissim

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode is a warm, hilarious deep dive into best-friendship, featuring comedian roommates Betsy Sodaro and Gilli Nissim. Nicole and Sasheer invite their pals to talk about everything from weird roommate snacks to the art of growing old together with your chosen family. The conversation dances between film/TV nerd-outs, memorable roommate quirks, bodily functions, and heartfelt dreams for the future—all told with signature wit, tangents, and riffing.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS AND INSIGHTS

Introductions & Film/TV Banter

(00:58–05:18)

• Nicole and Sasheer introduce Betsy and Gilli, riffing on the correct pronunciation of Gilli's last name ("Nissim") in a classic loose, conversational style.
• The group marvels at Betsy's animated film work (notably as a "serpent sister" on Puss in Boots: The Last Wish), sharing a hilarious anecdote about Betsy thinking her character was a snake:

  “I was improvising like snake specifics... And then I saw the movie. I was like, they're human.” — Betsy Sodaro (03:35)

• Spirited debate about Shrek sequels and loving “weird” third installments, including Austin Powers 3 (with Gilli staunchly defending Beyoncé’s performance).

Roommate Rituals & TV Obsessions

(06:06–10:56)

• Gilli and Betsy explain their living situation—longtime roommates via UCB comedy circles. They talk through movie and TV-watching categories: “prestige rewatches,” “90s classics,” and staple Drag Race marathons.
• Betsy’s favorite Drag Race season is 4 (“Latrice Royale, Sharon Needles, Fifi O’Hair—when queens were ‘mean and talented’ before social media changed the game”).

  “The show was really getting in the groove of what it's become, but still sloppy in the sense of like, social media wasn't as huge... The queens didn't give a shit.” — Betsy (08:10)

• Nicole admits loving Season 7 (“everyone thinks it’s the worst, but every challenge is an acting challenge, and nobody’s an actor”).

Best-Friend Origins

(13:19–16:56)

• Nicole poses the pivotal question: “When did you decide to be best friends?”

  “It feels like when we all started doing comedy, we met a hundred people… and after a while starting to think maybe it’s you, so the group, like Squid Game style, does kind of whittle down. And we still have this big, lovely friend group… It was a slow thing.” — Gilli (13:51)

• The roommates recall falling into closer friendship via comedy troupes, parties, then evolving into a “choice you get to continue to make.”

Roommate Habits & Fun Food Tangents

(18:47–26:28)

• Betsy praises Gilli's habit of bringing home “fun, weird snacks,” like “masala peas” and “cucamelons”—tiny watermelon-looking cucumbers.
• They recount inviting Nicole over for a two-hour “friendship salad” hang.
• Vegetable/fruit fascination erupts: talk of Buddha’s hand citrus, cherimoya (“nature’s ice cream”), and botany mishaps.
• Both commend each other’s openness to new experiences: Gilli hosting impromptu hangs, Betsy offering “weird beers” (Donna’s pickle beer! Pumpkin spice beer!), and Gilli converting Betsy to martinis.

Shared Comfort and Pure Honesty

(26:55–33:30)

• Open discussion about public pooping anxieties and accidental accidents:

  “I have no qualms about it. People are like, I can’t shit in public. Get real.” — Nicole (26:58)
  “I pooped my pants in our alley... It was my favorite pair of pants, and I just threw away.” — Betsy (28:25)

• Gilli and Betsy swap “I almost didn’t make it” bathroom stories, highlighting the freedom and lack of embarrassment in close friendship.

Food Adventures and Gilly’s Persistence

(33:37–37:56)

• Gilli’s “generous but persistent” nature emerges—intense about sharing bites, sometimes to the point of compulsion:

  “If I have said, ‘Will you have a bite?’ and someone says no, thanks, I act like it’s fine, but I’m so upset for a long time.” — Gilli (36:21)

• Betsy credits Gilli with expanding her palate for food (and experiences), notably on a “seafood journey” and sushi adventures (“popums”—salmon roe that “pop in your mouth and make me laugh”).

Plate Licking & Family Traits

(40:21–41:13)

• Gilli out herself as a “plate licker,” a family trait her mom proudly shares:

  “My mom’s a plate licker too. We’re plate lickers.” — Gilli (40:42)

• Betsy jokes she can tell from the pause in conversation when Gilli’s mid-lick.

Roommate Pets & Pandemic Puppy Days

(43:21–51:23)

• They tell the story of getting Wilma, the golden retriever (“the size of a shoe”) right after moving back together post-breakup:

  “Bringing a puppy into it was… rocky. But then she got to be, like, five, six months. And we became completely obsessed with this dog. But not before then.” — Gilli (49:14)

• Puppy training woes (every half hour outside!) and how Wilma re-shaped the household (“Betsy is her best friend, but I’m the alpha”).

Horror Movie Fandom & Difference

(54:00–58:21)

• Betsy is an avowed horror fan, eager to decorate for Halloween (“If I could, I would start after my birthday in June.”).
• Gilli and Sasheer are more easily startled:

  “I jump at things that are just, like, normal.” — Sasheer (57:00)

• Favorite horror: The Changeling (1980, “so scary, so good!”—Betsy), and horror-watching as a family/friend ritual.

Travel & Core Memories

(60:11–67:21)

• Core memory highlights:
  • “Lockdown Christmas,” ordering Fogo de Chao catering for two and feasting (“like catering for a party… for 12 people,” Betsy (60:42))
  • Betsy’s seafood baked potato in San Diego—a milestone in her food journey!
  • Ojai trip: “parked the car, never got in again for three days—just ate, drank, wandered.”
  • Bulgaria adventure for a commercial shoot (Betsy as an “eye mite” in an eyelid party!) and food discoveries: “Jasper barbecue” and mountain sightseeing.

Aging, Friendship, and Dreams

(67:27–71:47)

• Nicole and Sasheer prompt the future: “Where do you see yourselves in 20 years?”
  • Gilli: “Midway through building the early retirement community… a bunch of our friends… made a bunch of shows… have a community with a stage—improv till we die!” (67:58–69:36)
  • Nicole: “I would like to live in a retirement community… because a lot of old people are just dying alone. I wanna be with friends.” (69:51)
• Grand finale: the gang does a rapid-fire “pattern game” improv round on the word “beef” (71:27–71:41), cracking themselves up (“This is what you can expect at the retirement community!”—Gilli).

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You know, we get to do a lot of fun stuff. We get to go places, post up, get drunk, wander around, and then eat really big meals. It’s so nice.” – Betsy (67:11)
• “We have to. We gotta stick together.” – Nicole (71:54)
• “Let’s do improv till we die.” — Gilli (69:44)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• (03:01) — Betsy's “serpent sister” Puss in Boots misunderstanding
• (08:01) — Favorite Drag Race seasons and the joy of reality TV nostalgia
• (13:19) — The slow evolution from comedy acquaintances to “best friend” roommates
• (18:47) — Roommate snacks, fun produce, and sharing weird grocery finds
• (26:55–33:30) — All about bathroom emergencies and shattering taboos with best friends
• (36:21) — Gilli’s compulsion to share bites and try new things
• (43:21–51:23) — Wilma the puppy: quarantine dog stories and the stress/joy of raising a pet
• (54:00–58:21) — Horror movies, Halloween obsession, and being easily spooked
• (60:11–67:21) — Core memories: lockdown Christmas, travel, and new experiences together
• (67:27–69:44) — Vision for aging together: communal living, more shows, and “improv till we die”

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TONE & STYLE

The episode brims with warmth, irreverence, and playful vulnerability. The conversation is irrepressibly tangential, stuffed with in-jokes, food experiments, and gross-out confessions, but grounded by a shared sense of gratitude for chosen-family friendship.

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NOTABLE QUOTES (with Timestamps)

• “It was immediately like, this is really fun and chill. Hell yeah.” — Betsy (15:55)
• “Have you pooped in the ocean?” — Nicole (27:22)
• “I pooped my pants in our alley.” — Betsy (28:25)
• “I would like to live in a retirement community with people I know… Why die by yourself when you could get a word and do the pattern game?” — Nicole (69:51, 70:14)
• “Let’s do improv till we die!” — Gilli (69:44)

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FINAL THOUGHTS

This episode is a love letter to friendship as daily practice, from late-night movies and experimental snacks to shared hardships, strange travel, and dreams of joyful aging together. What emerges is a portrait of best-friendship as both enduring and ever-evolving, blessed by humor, honesty, and the power of just showing up for each other.

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PROMOTIONS & SIGN-OFF

• Betsy plugs her podcasts “A Funny Feeling” and “We Love Trash.”
• Nicole and Sasheer wrap with gratitude for their guests and a promise of more laughter (72:30).

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For fans of candid, chaotic best-friend energy, oddball anecdotes, and comedy that finds the meaningful in the mundane, this episode is a can’t-miss.

Transcript

[Betsy Sodaro]

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[Nicole]

Hello, Sushoo. Hello, Nicole. We have guests.

[Sushoo]

Does your little paper say that we have guests today?

[Nicole]

It does, and it says it right on that first page. And I was flipping. Yeah. I said, what's going on on this other page? Should we introduce our guest?

[Sushoo]

Yes, let's do it. I think the intros are just on the first page.

[Nicole]

It is.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Do you want me to do it?

[Nicole]

Hit it.

[Gillian Nissim]

Why would you leave the paper if you weren't even gonna do it?

[Sushoo]

Can you pronounce your last name for me?

[Gillian Nissim]

Nissim.

[Sushoo]

Nissim. Okay.

[Gillian Nissim]

But whatever comes out is fine.

[Sushoo]

Nissim.

[Gillian Nissim]

Okay.

[Sushoo]

We have two of our very fun friends. Gillian. Nissim.

[Nicole]

Nasim.

[Sushoo]

Nasim. I want to say Nasim, but you. I heard something different.

[Gillian Nissim]

Nissim.

[Sushoo]

Nihisim. Nissim. Nissim.

[Nicole]

Wait, have I been mispronouncing your last name?

[Gillian Nissim]

This very loosey goosey on the last name, but non negotiable on the first name.

[Nicole]

Well, how else would you pronounce Killy?

[Gillian Nissim]

My parents said Gili Nisim, but I don't. You saw my face. I couldn't do it. Don't worry about it, Gilly. People say Nissim, but I like Nissimore. Correct.

[Nicole]

And I think Nissim.

[Sushoo]

We have Gilly Nissim, who is a red that helped me, who is a writer performer known for her work on twisted metal. The other two, Pretty Smart and AP Bio with Betsy Sodaro, a performer, writer, comedian, known for her work on Ghosts, Bob's Burger, Superstore, Puss in Boots, the Last Wish. Also host the podcast A Funny Feeling with Marcy Jarow, and we love Trash with Mano Agapen.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Look at our friends. That was good.

[Sushoo]

Thank you.

[Gillian Nissim]

Have you guys seen that Puss of Boots?

[Sushoo]

No.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's so good.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's pretty good.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's so good. And it's so cool. The character that Betsy voices, it's like. It's so fun seeing it.

[Nicole]

What's the character?

[Betsy Sodaro]

I play one of the serpent sisters. One out of two. And we're like, kind of just like henchmen, kind of henchwood.

[Gillian Nissim]

And I went in.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cause they never gave me the full script or whatever. And they're like, you're the serpent. Come read for one of the serpent sisters. And I was like, okay. Serpent sisters. So I go in and I'm all like. And like, finally they stopped me. They're like, you don't have to do that. I was like, oh. I thought they were like, snakes or something. And they're like, no, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. And I still thought that the characters were gonna be, like, snakes fair.

[Gillian Nissim]

Because the lead is a cat.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That's really neat. And then I saw the movie. I was like, they're humans. And they had me improvise a ton. And so I was improvising, like, snake specifics. And, like, let's slither, like, all this stuff going off for, like, five minutes straight. And they're like, this is so good. This is so good. And then I saw the movie. I was like, they're human.

[Gillian Nissim]

They couldn't just say, like, if I'm human, you.

[Nicole]

That's really funny.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I think they were like, this is funny.

[Nicole]

They honestly probably still talk about it. Like, remember when we let Betsy think that she was a snake?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Honestly.

[Sushoo]

That's on them.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yes.

[Sushoo]

Serpents in the title.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. Serpent sisters. Yeah. Of cats. The lead.

[Gillian Nissim]

You sound so normal in this. But then it's so unfair because you seem so crazy. Makes me cry. It's so funny.

[Sushoo]

Were there snakes, like, around them? Do they have snake pets?

[Betsy Sodaro]

They had snake tattoos.

[Sushoo]

Who doesn't?

[Gillian Nissim]

They're just like gangs.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like a little gang who are like, we'll do your dirty work.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's really fun.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's a fun movie. I was blown away by how good and fun it was.

[Gillian Nissim]

Great story.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Beautiful.

[Nicole]

Antonio Banderas is the Puss in boot.

[Gillian Nissim]

You better believe it. Sexy cat.

[Sushoo]

Sex and get sexy cat.

[Betsy Sodaro]

My name is Cat. Dude.

[Nicole]

What are they gonna do? Puss in Boots is from Shrek, right?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

When are they gonna do a donke movie?

[Gillian Nissim]

Is there not. Is there not a straight to. Yeah. That feels like a good idea.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I feel like we would have watched it if there was.

[Gillian Nissim]

We love Shrek. I'm sure.

[Nicole]

I mean, Shrek is great.

[Sushoo]

Yeah, Shrek's great.

[Nicole]

But I think I've only seen Shrek 1 and Shrek 2.

[Gillian Nissim]

Three's okay. We watched three, and we're like, I.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Can'T believe how good this was.

[Gillian Nissim]

But I don't know if I trust.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. I think we, like, ate pot and.

[Sushoo]

Then wrote let's watch Shrek 3.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And we're like, this is so good.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm also an Austin Powers 3 apologist. I think that we were expecting it to be exactly as good as 1 and 2, and it's like, it's the third one. It's not going to be. And everyone said at the time how bad Beyonce was. She's pretty good. She's, like, fine. And that's a tall order to be in a big comedy. She was so young. And when you rewatch it, she's fine.

[Sushoo]

Oh, good.

[Nicole]

She's fine.

[Gillian Nissim]

People were, like, tearing her down for it. I remember at least, like, the idiots in my tiny little world. It really. The movie holds up. I like, kind of recently and Betsy thought this. That. Right. That it was pretty bad.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes. It sucks. It's so bad. And then we rewatched it. I was like, it's pretty funny.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was, like, pretty good.

[Sushoo]

How do you choose the movies that you guys watch together?

[Gillian Nissim]

Ooh.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Oh, that's good question.

[Gillian Nissim]

Wow.

[Nicole]

Wow.

[Gillian Nissim]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Let's just keep admiring the question. Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Really good. It's too good to even answer.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Is it? What's the next one gonna be? How do kind of. If we're just in moods or something, Right?

[Gillian Nissim]

In moods or like. Well. Cause the big reveal is that we are roommates.

[Lamorne Morris]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

We would probably watch stuff together even if we weren't, but we have, like, a lot of opportunities.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think. Oh, wow. Just sort of in the mood. Like, the categories are, like, prestige stuff that neither one of us thought we would like. But we waited a year, and now we're ready and we like it.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like Squid Game.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We waited so long after it came out. This is really good.

[Gillian Nissim]

Did you guys hear.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I would absolutely bring it up. I was like, did you guys watch it? No, it wasn't two years ago.

[Nicole]

That's what I did.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was really good.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. We just watched the Alien Earth TV show that wasn't too late, but we watched it really slow. And then, like, 90s rewatches.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That's a big one.

[Gillian Nissim]

And then Drag Race is sort of like the baseline that can just always.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. Kind of went in Dallas, like, pop on some Drag Race.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

What's your favorite season? Sashira has not seen it. I'm sorry. To ask and talk about.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I don't want you to feel unincluded, disincluded, boxed out in the corner.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like a boxed out is a lot more aggressive. That's good. Good for you. You're allowed to not watch stuff that everyone's watching.

[Sushoo]

It's not, like, on purpose.

[Gillian Nissim]

I just.

[Nicole]

It was on purpose. She came to my house and she said, I will not participate. Yeah, just spit on me.

[Betsy Sodaro]

No, thanks.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, man. That. I don't know what. I don't know if I have. Do you?

[Betsy Sodaro]

I really love season four with Latrice Royale, Sharon Needles.

[Gillian Nissim]

Fifi o'. Hair.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cause it felt like it was kind of the. The show is really getting in the groove of what it's become, but still sloppy in the sense of, like, social media wasn't as huge. So the queens didn't give a shit and were, like, mean to each other, but also really talented. Yeah. I really love season four. Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

I definitely, like with my favorite queens who win. So, like, Bianca's season, Bob's season.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

And then like Alaska's season. And that all star season season is pretty. It's so fucked up. What happened. Like, the, like, Ralaska talk stuff is very juicy. Juicy and embarrassing in a good way.

[Nicole]

That is my favorite challenge. It's the Can I get an amen? I think it's the funniest challenge in the history of the show. So it's like we are the world, but with drag queens and they have to sing. And Roxy Andrews has a line where she goes my sequins gown. Because she didn't know that a sequin was one. She thought it was called a sequence. Yeah. But my favorite season is season seven.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Nicole]

Everyone thinks it's the worst one, but every challenge is an acting challenge, and nobody. There's an actor.

[Gillian Nissim]

Ah, give me some people.

[Nicole]

That is Ginger Minj, Violet Chachki.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Nicole]

Jasmine Masters.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Katya. Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

That's great. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, how did you decide? Like, did you see this crop? And you just said, like, let's just throw a bunch of acting challenges out there.

[Nicole]

I think they come up with all the challenges beforehand and then do not adapt it to who they actually cast. And they go, we're just doing it.

[Gillian Nissim]

Great.

[Nicole]

What do you watch?

[Gillian Nissim]

Do you guys watch?

[Sushoo]

Thanks for including me.

[Gillian Nissim]

Do you guys watch stuff together as non roommate friends?

[Sushoo]

We've watched you together, the TV show.

[Nicole]

Because we've been watching you.

[Gillian Nissim]

I was like, wait, did we watch.

[Nicole]

Gilly through the window?

[Lamorne Morris]

We watched.

[Nicole]

Yeah, we started you here and then Went to Italy. Like a day in Italy in bed. Watching you now.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That's a good vacation. Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Very romantic.

[Gillian Nissim]

That's really nice.

[Sushoo]

Oh, we also watched 13 Reasons why.

[Nicole]

Oh, boy.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I like that one.

[Sushoo]

That was really just gas the whole way through.

[Nicole]

Well, that show was funny because season two was terrible, awful. And then they did season three, and then you didn't have to watch season two to understand season three. They, like. They did, like, a recap with the lines in, like, the first 10 minutes. So you had no questions. And I was like, oh, that's nice.

[Sushoo]

Thanks for that.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, that's so funny. We really liked Cruel Summer. This is a funny thing about, like, being late. 30s is like, I love teen stuff. I do, too. But now I'm like, that boy is hot. Is that bad? Let them be in their early 30s. I have no qualms about that. Let every actor playing high school be in their 30s. And if they're in college, they can be 40.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Because I watched the Karate Kid. Those weren't kids.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Those books.

[Sushoo]

A lie.

[Nicole]

We're so old.

[Sushoo]

That's funny.

[Nicole]

Beating the Ralph.

[Betsy Sodaro]

You nailed it.

[Sushoo]

Macchiato.

[Nicole]

What is it?

[Sushoo]

I think I said it's a great name.

[Nicole]

It is a good name.

[Sushoo]

I watched the. The Casper with Christina Ricci. Oh, yeah?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Sushoo]

And when he pops up, I was like, such a little cutie. And I'm like, wait, I think he's.

[Nicole]

Like 10 in this movie.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

As a child.

[Nicole]

But I think it's okay to go, that's a little cutie. Because you saw that as a kid.

[Sushoo]

Yeah, My kid self.

[Gillian Nissim]

And you got a crush on him. I have justified it to myself in the same way. I have also decided that that is true.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

It's my inner child speaking, not my adult self.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nicole]

He's in a movie called Phonetic. Has anyone seen it?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Have you seen it with John Travolta?

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Directed by Fred Woods.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Did we watch it together? Maybe.

[Nicole]

Did we.

[Betsy Sodaro]

With Mano.

[Nicole]

Maybe.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Did we want Maybe directed by Fred Durst and where Devon Sawa's character's always listening to Limp Bizkit. Right. Like, I feel every time his car pulls up, it's like, all about the new game. And it's just like, this is so silly.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yes.

[Nicole]

And John Travolta makes every choice you would never expect.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Huge.

[Nicole]

Just huge swings.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Chris. Wild, insane wig. Wild. That on his head.

[Sushoo]

That's funny.

[Nicole]

He rides a bike a lot.

[Gillian Nissim]

A bicycle?

[Nicole]

Yep.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole]

It's a very interesting movie.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's weird.

[Sushoo]

Is it like someone's obsessed with somebody else.

[Nicole]

Yes. John Travolta's obsessed with Devin Sawa.

[Sushoo]

Oh, someone standing.

[Nicole]

What?

[Sushoo]

I said someone stanning him because Devon Sallow or Eminem.

[Gillian Nissim]

That was layered.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That was good.

[Sushoo]

Thank you so much.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah, thank you so much.

[Nicole]

Great. I have a query about friendship.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Okay. When did you decide to be best friends? That question's not on here, and I love that.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Decide, decide.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm not even sure exactly how we met. Do you know?

[Betsy Sodaro]

No.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's, like, very clearly through the UCB stuff.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

And I think we were, like, part of a group, right? Like a larger friend group. Friend group, yes.

[Nicole]

And you were never on teams together.

[Gillian Nissim]

No, I don't think we even took a class together. Betsy might have already been on Herald Night when I was a student at Skewa. And then I think of it this way a lot. And I literally talked about this yesterday of, like, it feels like when we all started doing comedy, we met, like, a hundred people. And I was like, all of you are cool and mentally well, and we're gonna be friends forever. And I'm so excited about holding onto this group of hundred people. And then, like, five years in, it's like, oh, some of you people turned out to be mentally unwell, mean, just sort of liars. Or you, like, find a new best friend every year, and it's always the other person's fault. And after a while, starting to think maybe it's you, like, so the, like, group, like, squid game style, does kind of whittle down. And we still have this big, lovely friend group of which I think we're all part of.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Of course we are.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. Like, I think it was just maybe, maybe that I got to move into the house with Betsy and Mono, and we discovered already, you guys must have agreed that I could join such an intimate thing of, like, living together. And then it was like, oh, me and Betsy both. We like the things we like and we like to do them, and we don't. We'll do the, like, the, like, vegetable of life of, like, the things we, like, have to do. Yeah. And we, like, have it together. We're not, like, total lunatics. But then, like, when we have the opportunity to have fun, we have as much fun as we can. So it was like. I think it was a slow thing.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cause I feel once you.

[Gillian Nissim]

When you got on Winslow, a team at ucb.

[Betsy Sodaro]

A team at UCB with Mono and Mary, who I was living with at the time, it was that thing where it's just like, oh, yep, we now all party together nonstop and hang out nonstop. And so that kind of did it. And then. Yeah. And then Mary moved out and Gilly moved in.

[Gillian Nissim]

I slid right in.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Slid right in. And it was immediately like, this is really fun and chill. Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Hell, yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

And we have now lived together for a long time.

[Nicole]

A long time.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cause how long was it before.

[Nicole]

But there's been great.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, There was a year break. I. I'm not totally. I'm bad with that stuff, but like, eight, seven, eight years and then a year break. And then now I've been back for five years or something. We're coming on. Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

So over 10 years, I think.

[Nicole]

I love that.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. It's like a choice we get to continue to make, and it's like. It's so fun.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's really nice.

[Gillian Nissim]

I love you too, dude.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's so nice.

[Gillian Nissim]

But it wasn't like, oh, we met on this day. And I. Yeah, it was definitely like a nice, long slide into best friendship, for sure. And mono. The person that we're talking about is. We're all still like. I think we're sort of like, we're a duo, but we're also a trio. And you and mono are all like. There's a lot of configurations of, like, what we all do, which is vast.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's so nice.

[Sushoo]

That is nice. It's so nice.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

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[Nicole]

Mm. Ooh.

[Gillian Nissim]

Whoa. I've only been friends in LA with other friends. Yeah. That's a good one. Ooh. There's a lot.

[Betsy Sodaro]

One thing to start is that Gilly always will get fun, weird snacks and will always be like, you gotta try this thing. And it's just like, okay, what is it? And, like, it'll be something. Last night, it was, like, these fun peas that were covered in what, like masala. Masala peas. And they were really good.

[Gillian Nissim]

They were really good. It was in the, like, ethnic aisle at Albertsons, and it couldn't have been a more narrow section of the grocery store because it was like, I love groceries just in general.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

And so it was like, the Indian stuff, the Greek stuff, and the Mexican stuff was all in an aisle, like, as wide as I am. Like, you know, wider. And it was. They're crunchy peas, so it's definitely a snack food. And they had just the best seasoning.

[Sushoo]

Sounds good.

[Betsy Sodaro]

They're really good.

[Gillian Nissim]

That's so nice. Thank you. I'm glad you like it.

[Nicole]

You had cucumber Cucamelons.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cucamelons, yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Nicole came over for cucumbers, and Gilly made.

[Nicole]

She made me a salad.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was so nice.

[Nicole]

So nice.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was so fun that you came. We got to, like, hang out. I think you came for, like, a clean two hours. No more, no less.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Drew, like, ate a salad, and then we all, like, hung out. We played that weird game.

[Gillian Nissim]

We played that weird game that I.

[Nicole]

And then it was just kind of like, gotta go.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was delightful.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was awesome.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like a little drive by a friendship. That was. That was really nice.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And I took some home. They were.

[Betsy Sodaro]

They're awesome.

[Nicole]

They're little cucumbers, but they're also watermelons or something.

[Gillian Nissim]

They look exactly like a watermelon the size of a cherry tomato. They're, like, shrunken down with the pattern of, like, green and dark green. And then the flavor is, like a lemony melon. I think is only in the visual. Like. Yeah, if it was kuka lemon, I think it would Be more accurate.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah, right.

[Nicole]

It was nice, but getting to say.

[Sushoo]

Kuka, have you seen. I just saw this yesterday. A Buddha's hand. No, no, it's like this. Like, it's a citrus, but it's like. Like little fingers coming out of, like, a little ball. And it looks strange. It gave me a chill when I saw it.

[Gillian Nissim]

I was like, excuse me. I know it looks like.

[Sushoo]

Like a little, like, witch is putting a spell on you.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's like vegetables are wacky.

[Nicole]

Wacky.

[Gillian Nissim]

The farmer's market, where every time we Pretty regularly. And Betsy will come a lot. And it's just sort of like, I've never seen that in my life.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. Like, what the hell is that? Like, it's so. And it's like, how did we figure out to eat this stuff? Like, I feel if I was a cave person, I'd be like, that's scary.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Must be poisonous.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We gotta smash it with a rock. Like, that's too freaky. That boot. Like, that sounds so freaky.

[Gillian Nissim]

We're all so hungry that night, but we're like, we're glad we got rid of that fluoro. That was the right call. We have a lemon tree in the backyard that sometimes the lemons that grow are, like, ugly.

[Nicole]

They're weird eggs or something.

[Gillian Nissim]

I would like to find a Buddha's hand. And I will report back.

[Nicole]

I want to find a custard apple.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yes, I've had.

[Nicole]

Are they good?

[Gillian Nissim]

Known as a sita fall. They are good. And cherimoya. Like, they're native to la, but then they're also in India. Oh, cherimoya. Like this. The elementary School by ucb.

[Sushoo]

They.

[Gillian Nissim]

They, like, grow somewhere. They're really good. They're really aggressively sweet. But it's kind of this, like. You know how I think of avocados as, like, you're crazy. Like, it's, like, creamy.

[Nicole]

Yes, it is yummy.

[Gillian Nissim]

And kind of like not smoky, per se, but it's. It's like a really sexy flavor. Yeah, it's silky, like, creamy flavor. It's fucking fantastic. A cherimoya is the sweet version of that, where it's like. People say it's like nature's ice cream. I don't think that's. You shouldn't tell someone going in that this is going to taste like ice cream.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Don't ever do that.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, that's a bad idea. But it has sort of a, like, interesting element that is more than just sort of like the citrusy sweetness of a citrus.

[Nicole]

And where'd you get it from?

[Gillian Nissim]

The farmer's market. I'll get you one. I don't know when they're in season.

[Nicole]

But I bought seeds for them and I planted them. And I also planted Japanese persimmons that I've been stealing from my neighbor.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yes. Amazing.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Because I couldn't figure out where the seeds were, so I just put the whole thing in dirt.

[Gillian Nissim]

But that works.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I think sometimes that works.

[Sushoo]

Yeah, it can work. I think.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I don't know.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, boy.

[Nicole]

I hope.

[Gillian Nissim]

One of my favorite things. Cause there really are a lot. Is that Betsy is really good at, like, any time of the year we could be hanging out. Like, we could do it low key, where it's just her and I watching tv. But also friends can come over and we can watch a movie. And I am, like, an active person, but I think I'm doing more informal hangs. Thanks to living with Betsy of just like. You'll be like, is it cool if these two friends come over and we'll all watch a movie? And it's like, yeah, we can do that. Like, we go out on weeknights and stuff. But it's like, it can also be just as fun that we're, like, drinking beers, watching a movie at home. Like, you're really good at organizing that. And I appreciate it.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Thank you.

[Gillian Nissim]

Thank you. You're welcome.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I do like trying weird beers.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

What's the weirdest beer you've tried? Have you had Donna's pickle beer?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes. And I loved it. Really? I thought it was so good. I'm a big pickle head. Oh, I love. We love pickle juice.

[Nicole]

You gotta get to Jimmy John's.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I gotta do the pickle sandwich.

[Sushoo]

Oh, I think it's that one.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

It seems wet.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like, it seems hard to eat. Like everything's gonna shoot out.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. Did they put, like, a bunch of sinks all around Jimmy John's so everyone at their table can clean out? I don't want to eat that unless I have a drain nearby.

[Sushoo]

Sorry.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I think I was trying to think of some of the Bud Light came out with these, I think, seltzers a couple of falls ago where it was like, pumpkin spice.

[Nicole]

Oh, no.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Some more flavor. Oh, God. And like, two other things. And I remember having friends over. I think you were not home. But we watched a spooky. And we're like, let's have, like, a tasting of this. And they were so gross. I'm already not a big seltzer head. But then to add, like, some more flavor and pumpkin spice. That was pretty nice as a beer.

[Gillian Nissim]

Those Had a chance, but that's.

[Sushoo]

I was gonna say a pumpkin spice beer sounds like it could.

[Gillian Nissim]

We've had.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. Every fall we'll get a bunch pumpkin beers. Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Oh, yummy.

[Nicole]

I wish I liked beer. Everyone looks like they're having such fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

Kicking back a beer, looking so full and uncomfortable. I do like beer. And I think I need to, like, remember to drink more beers because I love martinis.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Gilly's gotten me into martinis. Gilly and Tony. It's been a big, like, I love a martini.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm gonna make. I made an artichoke last night and did I feel like I've actually said this in this room before, but on another podcast. Artichoke liquid is a natural diuretic. Like, if you boil an artichoke, the water that's left over is like brilliant blue green. And it is tasty. Cause it tastes like lightly vegetal and salty. And you just are like. Like, you are like, scatting.

[Sushoo]

You are scouting.

[Gillian Nissim]

And as long as I am near a toilet, occasionally I like to drink it. But I was like, I bet you I could make a martini out of this. And I looked it up and you can. And I'm gonna make us martinis maybe tomorrow.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And then you'll be, we gotta clear out the toilet.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think just a little bit would be okay because I am planning on going to, like, a fun, like, lesbian thing. And I'm gonna be looking for love. So now that I say it, maybe.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I should drink it. The place that has it, they have, like, kind of individual bathrooms, you know, where it's like, every place I go, I'm like, how is the toilet situation? Okay, I could diary in there and you'll be fine.

[Gillian Nissim]

Just the like, relaxing feeling of just.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Knowing, like, I'll be fine if I have space to myself.

[Nicole]

I'll shit anywhere. Hey, man, I have no qualms about it. People are like, I can't shit in public. I can't shit on vacation. Get real.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Grow up.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'll shit any old. I can't stop shitting in public. Yeah.

[Nicole]

What?

[Betsy Sodaro]

You just have to, like, the. Once you hit that point of where it's like, well, I have to no matter what, then you're game on of just being like, I can poop anywhere.

[Sushoo]

Anywhere.

[Gillian Nissim]

Have you pooped in the ocean?

[Nicole]

That I haven't done. I know you have.

[Gillian Nissim]

Why, yes, I have. Interesting.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Oh, my God, I totally forgot.

[Gillian Nissim]

And like. Yeah, thank you for reminding me.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Do you be shitting in public?

[Sushoo]

I do be shitting in public.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. Yeah, when needed.

[Nicole]

When needed.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We don't save it up to the. I gotta go on out.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm going out.

[Sushoo]

But I also have never been like, I have to leave this establishment because I need to go shit at home. I'm like, I can shit here and then, right?

[Nicole]

Stay here.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I did that one time at a UCB New Year's Eve party. I was like, I have to run home and shit. And I pooped my pants in our alley. I was running, running. And we have our living room room. Windows are exposed and I look in and I see the toilet. No, no. And I. I just didn't go. I think I texted only Tony. I was like, I poop my pants. I'm going to bed. And I wasn't even like drunk or anything. It was just kind of like too much. Okay, I gotta, like, just take a shower and go to bed. It was like my favorite pair of pants that I just threw away. I was just like, you know what?

[Gillian Nissim]

Tagging yourself out.

[Betsy Sodaro]

My night's done.

[Nicole]

Tagging yourself out. Well, that's a wrap on me today.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And then I was like, you know what? I could probably poop at UCB and be fine. Like, who cares?

[Gillian Nissim]

Well, we don't live all that far, but when it's an emergency, you tempted it. I really pushed it one time leaving our house. We usually walk to UCB. Cause it is an 8 minute walk. I've timed it. And mono and I are on the same team. I don't think he lived with us anymore, but he was just over so we could go together. And as we were walking down our driveway, I wanted to make mano laugh. So I went, hey. And I stopped in place and like really, like ripped what I thought was a fart. And we were like kind of cutting it close on time and we didn't have enough people, so I was like, I shit myself. I pushed too hard. I had to run in and there wasn't time. So I really just did an underwear switch and then did go and perform.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And those guys, I like, said goodbye to them. And then I just hear right outside, like a bunch of laughing. And I see Gilly come sprinting back and be like, I shit my pants. Just then come and leave. And I was like, whoa.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was like, I did like a Fiona. Have you seen Shrek the musical? It's really good. You should. I didn't change is my point. I did a Broadway quick change of like, you wouldn't believe how quickly she was.

[Nicole]

Did you go out after or did you go home and watch it.

[Sushoo]

I did.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think I felt great. I did get in the shower. Oh, oh, sorry. I should say I chucked the underwear, put it underwater while I, I have like a bath shower. So I was able to like get just my ass under the water, wipe it up. Underwear was gonna be dealt with later. But it did get a nice like rinse. And then I put on new underwear, same pants. And was out the door again.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Same pants, Same pants.

[Sushoo]

I checked.

[Nicole]

That's the outfit I decided I checked. Nothing will stop me today.

[Gillian Nissim]

I have to come up with two outfits in one.

[Sushoo]

I don't think that is very efficient.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, I mean, I hate to be late.

[Sushoo]

I'm actually remembering I did actually leave an event because I had to shit. And I. Because beforehand I had just bought dried apricots.

[Betsy Sodaro]

So I was like, yes, I'll be.

[Sushoo]

An apricot girl, I guess and didn't know that that's like what a lot.

[Nicole]

Of people used to shit.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

And so I was like popping them. I'm just like snacking on them before I left and I was like, had a great time. And then at some point I was like, I'm gonna die.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like I felt like I was going to explode.

[Sushoo]

And like I had this like tight waisted skirt and I was like. And I was getting a headache. And then I went to the bathroom and I was like, dizzy.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh my God.

[Sushoo]

I was like, I think I have to leave completely. And then I remember being in the car and have had my head out the window trying to get air. And then like was crawling to the bathroom by the time I got home and it was just like on the toilet the rest of the night.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm so sorry.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Did you look it up then and were like, like, oh, well then, then.

[Sushoo]

My boyfriend at the time was like, oh, that's what my granddad eats tonight.

[Gillian Nissim]

The prune's cousin.

[Nicole]

Oh, is it?

[Gillian Nissim]

I mean you basically ate a bunch of prunes. Like it's fibrous and I had no idea. Oh boy. That, that is not you so much. I mean, yes, you had to leave to ship, but like you were sick.

[Sushoo]

Yeah, that was ill.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was so trapped and it hurt your head.

[Sushoo]

It took my, it took over my whole body. I was sweating.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm so sorry. Whoa.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That's like, I tell ya, that's. That's the, you know, trying to be healthy.

[Sushoo]

It'll get you.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It will get you.

[Gillian Nissim]

It'll get you.

[Nicole]

It's not nice.

[Sushoo]

That's a fruit that we should smash. Yeah, get rid of that get rid of them.

[Gillian Nissim]

Come on.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Let's get it.

[Nicole]

I don't like prunes.

[Gillian Nissim]

They're weirdly too sweet for me.

[Nicole]

Right?

[Sushoo]

They are too sweet for being the like.

[Nicole]

Is a prune a dates friend?

[Gillian Nissim]

It's a.

[Betsy Sodaro]

A.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's a plum.

[Nicole]

Oh.

[Sushoo]

Plum.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. And I feel like plums and apricots are a little closer. But I don't know. Like almonds and peaches are related.

[Nicole]

Huh?

[Betsy Sodaro]

What? Get out.

[Gillian Nissim]

I I.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Get out.

[Nicole]

How dare you.

[Gillian Nissim]

You're a witch. It's crazy out there.

[Nicole]

Have you had a blue banana?

[Betsy Sodaro]

What?

[Gillian Nissim]

I would love to. No. Where are they?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Give me blue bananas.

[Nicole]

I don't know. It's also called like the ice cream of bananas.

[Gillian Nissim]

Stop doing that.

[Nicole]

Have you had a Gross Michelle banana?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Gross Michelle Banana.

[Nicole]

It's a seeded banana. And apparently it's the strain of bananas we used to eat before a bacteria.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's called a Gross Michelle.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

A strain of bacteria came and cleaned them all out. I know a little about cadaverous.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. Cavendish.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Okay.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like dead Cavoris. Sean Disston was telling me all about bananas the other day. That's funny.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Blue.

[Gillian Nissim]

Gross Michelle. What did Michelle do?

[Nicole]

She was nasty.

[Betsy Sodaro]

She was gross. Yeah. How did that name come about?

[Gillian Nissim]

That's a mean name.

[Nicole]

I don't know. I also might be saying it wrong because I called it a cadaver banana.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think it's Cavendish.

[Nicole]

I think you're right.

[Gillian Nissim]

According to Disston. That like the. You know. Runts. The banana flavor.

[Nicole]

That's. Yes. It's based on the Gross Michel banana.

[Gillian Nissim]

Gross Michel. Come on. So funny.

[Nicole]

And I love.

[Gillian Nissim]

Finally got like invented something. You finally get to put your name on it. And they're like.

[Nicole]

Gross Michelle.

[Sushoo]

Wish Michelle named it. The rules wasn't so.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Dang it. You gang.

[Gillian Nissim]

I said I wanted my name in it. But not like this.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Not like this one thing. And this is leading. Gilly has gotten me to really try stuff. I never thought I would a ton. Whether it's an experience or a lot of food. And so I've been on a seafood journey that Gilly has helped me. And we went to Kincan, which is this awesome restaurant Right by Courage Bagels. And a man. We were laughing. There was a man there. How did he. He described. What was it? Ooni.

[Gillian Nissim]

Ooni. Which was. It's one of my favorites. Which. It's sea urchin. And at that point it was still sort of like a hair too far.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes. Where I'm like. I don't know if I can. I will eat that and he called.

[Gillian Nissim]

It savory sea butter.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes. And Gilly immediately was like, don't call it that. Like, to this dude who was just like. He was from a, like, caviar farm.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. His, like, family owns, like, salmon roe farm. It's a. It's, like, the most fantastic restaurant. I've been a bunch, and it's great every time. The menu's different, and the chef is cool, and we are, like, kind of friendly with her now. And I've gotten drunk with her a bunch, and it's a little social, so it's not so weird that he was chatting with us.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. We were all at the bar, and it was kind of just like, whoa.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. The chef will sort of purposely be like, like, making connections of like, oh, you. You said this. That person thinks that, like, she wants it to be so this man was not, like, I wasn't rejecting him. Speaking to us completely. How dare you? We're in this very, like, delicate journey of, like, I want this to be positive all the way through. And he called it sea butter, which is like, That's a dairy product. I didn't know if that was going to gross you out. And I just was like, like, no, it's not. It's not sea butter. It's not sea butter. Like, no, get out of here, man.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And then I had it, and I was like, it's kind of like sea butter.

[Nicole]

It is sea butter.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's totally a fair description. I just was, like, worried that he was like. Like, you were Sleeping Beauty about to prick the spindle and I'm the witch.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like, yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

And then he was coming up being like, don't do that. I was worried you were going to, like, see the run away.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Right, Right.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. That's fun. I do have. I like to be. I hope people think of me as, like, a generous person or, like, fun or whatever. But it is a compulsion that comes deep within that. If I have said, like, will you have a bite? And someone says, no, thanks, I act like, it's fine, but I'm so upset. For a long time.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I feel there have been a couple of times where I've had to be like, but it's nothing personal. I just do not want this or right now. I just don't want it right now.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm trying to get better at, like, roll away. You'll offer, and you just move it on. Cause for me, I'm like, you're gonna like it. It's so good. I don't want you to miss out on this experience. So I hope I've gotten better as well. Of like, be cool if they say no. Like, it's not a real offer if you're forcing it. It's not a nice thing. But like, that's so funny. Know certain things. Like you don't like getting fruit when we're at the farmer's market. It's too early.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's too. And I worry it'll make me poop.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

You know? Cause I'll have an empty stomach and I'm like, I can't pop peaches and stuff. Cause that will make me.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's fibrous.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's very fibrous.

[Nicole]

Betsy, do you do sushi?

[Betsy Sodaro]

I've started to, yeah.

[Nicole]

I'm on a sushi journey.

[Gillian Nissim]

Wow.

[Nicole]

I didn't like the texture.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Okay.

[Nicole]

But then once I got past the texture, I was like, oh, I like, like the taste.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Nicole]

And also it's very foreign looking to me because I didn't grow up with it.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Right.

[Nicole]

But the. I think it's called salmon roe. Is it the. The orange globe?

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Nicole]

I call them popums because they pop in your mouth and they make me laugh really hard. Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

They are series gushers. Yes.

[Betsy Sodaro]

For some reason that works. Ice cream off nature's gushers.

[Gillian Nissim]

And you also like soup now, man.

[Nicole]

Soup's great. I discovered the love of soup with you.

[Sushoo]

It's true. We were on an airplane.

[Nicole]

Well, we were flying to Africa and I think you were sleeping or maybe you were eating, I don't remember. But they gave me like this curried soup and I was like sipping on it and I was like, what? And then when we got to Africa, I kept having soup. No, I like ramen. That's soup with chunkums.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That's like Gilly's number one.

[Nicole]

Where do you get ramen from?

[Gillian Nissim]

There's a lot of places. I had like a document for a while where I was trying to like try all of. Not only all of LA's ramens, but everything on the menu at each place.

[Nicole]

That's daunting.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. I stopped because they keep opening new places. It was like a treadmill. I couldn't keep up. Never ending. But I really like Silver Lake Ramen. Just straight up Tatsu ramen.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

My mouth is flooded. I would love to eat ramen. My favorite place that I've gone to multiple times is Toto Ramen in New York. So every time I go, they do seitan. So I think it's like a chicken based broth, but it's still so like heavy, meaty Creamy. And then they put pork chashu, which is the like sliced and ground pork. It is so good. I go by myself. I keep my glasses on because they protect my eyeballs. I put so many napkins from the steam and also the soup splash. Yeah. Eating ramen alone is like my dream is to go to that place in Japan where you can do it alone. I did go to a place in New York where you're in a little stall and they just open up a flap, put your bowl in. And I. I think I must have looked like a goblin. And I had the best. Cause I like to raise the noodle high and pop it in. Which at a restaurant I know I shouldn't do.

[Nicole]

Here's the thing. I think you should.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I mean, I think more people should have fun eating.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm a plate licker and I stop.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. Gailey licks plates.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think the first time I went live, like, like where I was aware Betsy was going to see it, I was like, I'm going to lick my plate. You're like, that's okay.

[Nicole]

Where were you that you were in.

[Gillian Nissim]

Our at home and cuz I think maybe I like wasn't doing it in front of you at all.

[Nicole]

That's a cartoon trait.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yes, very cartoon train. My mom's a plate licker too. We're plat lickers.

[Betsy Sodaro]

They come from a family of plate lickers.

[Sushoo]

My mother's mother was a plat licker.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yes, we are.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We're proud plate liqueurs.

[Gillian Nissim]

After El Asylum, we're the plate liqueurs. We are.

[Nicole]

It's so funny.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's easier to wash your dish. That's not why I do it. That's not why I do it. I like what I'm eating.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That's not why I do it.

[Nicole]

I like what I'm eating.

[Gillian Nissim]

But now I don't even. I don't have to like preface it anymore.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I feel like there's like, if we're ever talking, like while Gilly's eating or something, and then it just goes silent. I'm like, she's licking. She'll be done in a second. She'll answer the question in a second.

[Sushoo]

She just needs a moment.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, Wilma does it too.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Wilma.

[Nicole]

Wilma's a dog.

[Gillian Nissim]

You know what she does? Yes, she's a dog. So.

[Sushoo]

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[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, this was Betsy. I I wanted us to make shirts for Wilma the golden retriever her birthday two years ago. And I made one that said my girl is young, dumb and loves balls in her mouth. And then Betsy made that one that.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Says this birthday girl has six titties.

[Gillian Nissim]

A picture of Wilma with three bikini.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Tops on, which we did try to make when she was a puppy.

[Gillian Nissim]

We had done in real life. I like cut up a shirt and it was really funny. She looked like a little whore. She looked like what? Like gypsy or like.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was so funny.

[Gillian Nissim]

And I got jealous because Betsy's was better. And I was like, I hate. I like I will do anything to avoid copying or like being seen or anyone even thinking that I've copied. But I was like, can I copy yours? I like yours better. And you were like, yes. You were like, yes. But every time someone's like that's cute. I'm like, it was Betsy's idea.

[Sushoo]

It wasn't put credit where it's yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm about to steal it. But then we went to Jumbo's Clown Room.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We've been going every year for Wilma's birthday.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Is Wilma coming too?

[Nicole]

Wilma cannot enjoy it.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Not allowed.

[Gillian Nissim]

Not allowed.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We'll be, like, wearing hats and stuff, and they're like, whose birthday is it? And then it'll be like, Wilma's and show a picture, and they're like, happy birthday, Wilma.

[Nicole]

It's the best vibes.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's like, we always have fun when we're there. Everyone's always really nice and friendly. But, like, saying you're there to celebrate a dog's birthday. We have learned all about their cats. They all have cats. Not a single dog owner on the pole. But it's the best time.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's so much fun.

[Nicole]

But, yeah, Wilma looks decide to get a dog. Was it a mutual thing or did you just get a dog?

[Gillian Nissim]

I definitely asked.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

I had, like, I was living somewhere else. Not that far for a year when, like, Covid all happened. And then I broke up with the person I was living with. And I had been trying to get a dog the whole time, and it just sort of didn't happen. When the pandemic hit, I was like, now's the time. And the shelters were cleaned out, which is lovely. But they did also tell me, like, you could get a dog in a few months because, oh, so sad. People bring. A lot of the dogs will end up back. And I. Then the breakup happened, and I knew that I would be able to get back into the place where I was living, where I was so happy and didn't necessarily want to leave. It just felt like I should. Cause you're supposed to do that in a relationship. I don't know. And so I was like, is it okay? I'm really, really ready to get a dog. And you were cool with it. And I was. The shelters were literally empty, and I didn't want to wait. I was too scared that we would go back to work and, like, this window of getting to raise a dog.

[Nicole]

Cause you wanted a puppy.

[Gillian Nissim]

I was pretty committed to wanting to raise a puppy. And then I found this lady who, like, seemed, you know, the. It is a breeder. There's no qualm. I can't lie. But she only, like, it's a bummer. It's a bummer. But you could have found her on the street. I found a purebred golden retriever just under a leaf, and she was in Phoenix.

[Nicole]

Oh, yeah. You drove to Phoenix?

[Gillian Nissim]

I drove to Phoenix. I had moved back in, I think, like. Like December 1st or something like that. I had to go live in a sublet while mono, like, arranged his next move. And that was a really dark time. And then I moved in. We immediately were having so much fun.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

And I knew that I was gonna go get the dog on December 30th.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yep.

[Gillian Nissim]

And just drove back home with, like. She was the size of a shoe.

[Nicole]

She was so tiny.

[Gillian Nissim]

She was so tiny. And our lives were changed forever.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Forever. Truly, forever.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like, the days we were. Betsy had a Christmas tree. I had drawn, like, cartoon eyes and a mouth on it. And we were getting drunk during the day and riding on her longboard, skateboard in the living room. On our stomachs.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. We were, like, making, like, gingerbread. We were having so nice. And Gilly was like, a puppy is going to be in our life. So we got to kind of party now.

[Gillian Nissim]

And, like, the first thing that happened bringing her home was she shit on the rug. And we threw out the rug.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And our house is all hardwood floors, but we did have a rug in the living room at the time. And she just goes right on over, takes the biggest shit. I was like, I didn't even know puppies could do that big. And so loi was like, we're tossing the rug. I'm not even trying to clean this.

[Gillian Nissim]

But it was a really hard time. It was like we were. All the world was. It was like the second kind of wave of a lockdown. Like, a true. We were not allowed to do stuff. And so the. And puppies are really hard. Like, people should not get puppies. It was crazy.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Crazy.

[Nicole]

They, like, wake you up at night like babies, Right?

[Gillian Nissim]

I had to every half hour, go take her outside if you're trying to potty train them. And, like, do it in as short a time as possible. You have to every half hour to.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Show them, cheer them on, and be like, he has good potty. Like. Like, it's wild.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. We were standing outside going, like, kid puppy. And she was so cute.

[Sushoo]

But it was.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was like, I was so happy to be back. I was. I like, oh, God. It's like such a. Our house is such a. Like, haven. I still feel so, like, ugh, this is so good. But that was such a hard time. And then bringing a puppy into it was. It was rocky.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was rocky.

[Gillian Nissim]

And then she got to be like. Like, five, six months. And we then became, like, completely obsessed with this dog. But not before then.

[Betsy Sodaro]

She was biting constant. Like, we were covered in bites and scratches and constantly bleeding.

[Gillian Nissim]

Constantly, like, holes. I still have, like, my favorite sweat suits that I was wearing. Every fucking day. Have, like, holes all over the legs. Cause she would run and do a flying leap and latch on with her.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Teeth and just like, hold onto your calf and you're like, what? Oh, my God. But there's still some pieces of furniture where they're just like, little bite.

[Nicole]

Mom.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cause she would just kind of like every single thing just be like, stop it.

[Gillian Nissim]

I got a spray for it. But like, the spray was like, it's like pepper spraying your own home.

[Betsy Sodaro]

So you would just be in the house. Just be like, oh, but that'll stop her.

[Gillian Nissim]

It all, like, all the, like, shitty raising a puppy stuff paid off, but it's so delayed.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Is she such a good dog?

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, she is.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's a lot of work.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And you killed it, Gilly.

[Gillian Nissim]

So nice.

[Betsy Sodaro]

You killed it.

[Gillian Nissim]

I also comically got a job two months in. Yes. Like, I didn't think zoom. We didn't know zoom was an option. That our whole lives would turn to that. So I was fully like. And Betsy would, like, take her for a couple hours, which was so nice. And I would hide in my room and, like, cry in the shower. Just sort of like, this is so hard.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Someone Taylor Orsi. I don't know if you know them, but very nice person. Was like, I wanted to throw my puppy out the window. And that gave me, like, the strength that I needed. I'm making it sound like something awful happened to us. And it was just that I got a puppy.

[Sushoo]

It was hard.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's like a. It's like a baby. It's a baby, and it is a little baby.

[Gillian Nissim]

But now I'll, like, be in my room and just hear like, I love you so much. Same.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I'll just hear like, aw.

[Gillian Nissim]

It makes me so happy. Like, I could cry. It makes me so happy that, like, you are friends with her.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We're good friends.

[Gillian Nissim]

Betsy's her best friend.

[Sushoo]

Oh, my goodness.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We're good friends. We're good friends.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm definitely the alpha.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. She listens to Gilly. She does not listen to me. I send Gilly videos of, like, well, me and Wilma will be on the opposite sides of the couch, and she'll be like, just kind of either laying down or even just sitting. And I'll just be like, Wilma filming Wilma.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like, 10 minutes long.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Wilma won't look at me. Sometimes they'll even turn her head like, like farther away. Like, wi. And then I'll send them to. To Gilly and just be like, he doesn't really funny.

[Gillian Nissim]

She does love You. But. Yeah, I don't think she respects you.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Now I'm bit.

[Nicole]

That's very funny.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think, like, they are like equals in Wilma's eyes. It's really cute.

[Sushoo]

My sister.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, it's my big sister.

[Nicole]

I don't like when Clyde looks at me when I eat, because is.

[Gillian Nissim]

Because it makes me feel like I.

[Nicole]

Starve him, but I don't. I feed him, just, like, stare at me.

[Sushoo]

Well, food's really. So I go, clyde, look at me.

[Nicole]

And he'll always just go, oh, Clyde.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And then, like, look back and I go, clyde.

[Gillian Nissim]

Rama, boy. With his tongue out now.

[Betsy Sodaro]

With his tongue permanently out.

[Nicole]

He doesn't have teeth. He's got very few teeth. No.

[Gillian Nissim]

Are you a dog, Per. Like, how do you feel?

[Nicole]

She's got a cat.

[Sushoo]

Cat.

[Gillian Nissim]

I have a cat. Oh, beautiful.

[Sushoo]

Who is, I guess, a kitten. Still and crazy. Thanks.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Little black hat. Oh, cute and spooky. Spooky?

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

It's like, you know, I guess he's growing up, so sometimes he's crazy and he'll scratch me to high hell. And sometimes he's the sweetest little boy ever. And I was like, like, go, like, curl up on your chest and just purr like crazy.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, that's cute.

[Sushoo]

And so I'm like, okay, well, this is nice. And then. And then he starts scratching me, and I'm like, okay, now you have to get off me.

[Gillian Nissim]

What is your relationship like with Clyde? And what is your. What is your cat's name? Trix. Tricks.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

And what is your relationship with Trix?

[Nicole]

I haven't met Trix. No, I met Trix one time, and Trix ran away from me.

[Sushoo]

Okay.

[Nicole]

But it's okay. I'm deeply allergic to cats.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, okay. Isn't that weird that it's one, not the other? That's.

[Nicole]

No, I'm allergic to dogs.

[Gillian Nissim]

Dogs, okay.

[Nicole]

But not as allergic. Dogs don't bother me. But cats. If I'm in a house that doesn't get swept or dusted often, my eyes will start burning and welling up. That happened to me yesterday. And then I'll start sniffling, and then I'll start getting itchy.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Oh, no.

[Nicole]

And if I pick up a cat and I have a cut, that cut will get really. So, like, it's raised a little bit because the cat brushed against me.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, my God.

[Nicole]

So, yeah. Yeah, it's fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

Histamines. Histamines.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I've been watching a lot of horror movies. Cause right now I'm like, whoa, what a wild way to kill you.

[Gillian Nissim]

Of like just put a cat.

[Nicole]

Rub a cat all over me.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cat stuff. And like putting it in a wound.

[Gillian Nissim]

Sorry.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I've been watching a lot of horror movies and reading horror and living it. What a fucked up way.

[Nicole]

What is the scariest movie you've ever seen? You like scary movies too, right?

[Gillian Nissim]

Right? No.

[Sushoo]

Oh, I don't know.

[Nicole]

We saw that. The scary movie where people were on fire.

[Betsy Sodaro]

The monkey.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, I didn't like the monkey.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I can't believe you didn't. I was like, gilly's gonna like this movie. So much mono. And I loved it. And, and, and we're like, nicole, Gilly, come on, you're gonna love this movie.

[Gillian Nissim]

Seen it already. A second watch, like within days.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like a second within, like two days. We're like, let's go see it again. And Gilly, like halfway through was like, why did you think I'd like this movie? And I was like, I'm sorry.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'm not. I wasn't mad at you. It was more just sort of like, I hate this movie so much. Betsy loves Halloween. She loves horror. It is a year round pursuit for you. So.

[Nicole]

A year round pursuit.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like midway through September, she was like, can I decorate? And you love it and you gotta do it.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I put out a couple. Then Gilly's like, can you wait till October? That's fair enough. That's fair enough. If I could, I would start after my birthday in June next year, decorating.

[Gillian Nissim]

I thought about it. Next year I'm gonna. Right after your birthday, I'm gonna say, get the ghosts out, Betsy. I don't want to be a Halloween Grinch.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I don't want a doll.

[Gillian Nissim]

Let's just have fourth quarter is just Halloween and Christmas. Why not? I genuinely mean this of like, I don't want to stand in the way of any of your joyless. Do it.

[Betsy Sodaro]

But I also don't want. No, it's fine. It's fine.

[Gillian Nissim]

But what is the scariest movie you've seen? That's hard.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Okay. There's this movie called the Changeling From I think 1980 or 1984, I can't remember, starring George C. Scott. That is terrifying. I saw it as a kid, way too young, but it's like so good. It's straight up a haunted house ghost story.

[Sushoo]

Ooh.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And it is so scary and awesome. I watched it recently with my dad when I was. I was with him a couple of weeks ago. He was like, do you wanna watch the Changeling? I was like, yes, yes I do. Cause it's like im the Sodaro family of like, ew. It's so scary. But we love it. And there's this really spooky scene where there's an old timey kid's wheelchair that starts moving on its own and, like, hunts a woman down. And it is so. It's so good. It's so good. If y' all ever wanna watch it, we should watch it.

[Nicole]

I will watch it. I love scary things. You don't like scary things? You're not a spooky ookie.

[Sushoo]

No, I jump at things that are just, like, normal.

[Gillian Nissim]

Me too. We went to Burbank, Mono and some other. And Mark and Mary to look at, like, Burbank has, like, known big decoration houses.

[Nicole]

Oh, yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

And there was one called Clown Alley. And we were. There was. It was like a ticket booth. Like, it was like a circus with scary clowns. And a thing had slid open, so we had, like, just missed whatever it does, clearly. And a woman was standing there filming. And we're all standing back waiting for it to happen again. It's not happening. And I was like, to help this lady mostly. I was like, oh, maybe it's a sensor. We have to get closer. And I walk up and get so scared, like, fully trying to make it do the thing it doesn't. Like, my brain cannot compute that, like, you're safe. You're sitting in an amc. It doesn't matter. I'm so. But. But much like seafood Betsy has, like, drawn. I. I've enjoyed some horror movies.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

You have. Yeah. When they're old. It's really fun.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like B movies. And you. You know so many of them. And then like, if they're. They're all the original cool ideas right now. So it's like, I better get on board.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Right?

[Gillian Nissim]

It's too scary.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Remember Troll 2?

[Nicole]

Never seen Troll 2.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We watched it.

[Nicole]

We did.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We? Us and Mono at your house.

[Gillian Nissim]

The name doesn't follow.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Where they have goblins and they like, leap green, Nilbog.

[Gillian Nissim]

Troll 2 as a name is like, not what it is.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Because there aren't trolls in the movie Milbug.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's all backwards.

[Sushoo]

No, I don't remember this.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was some afternoon, like, recently. When was it? I was gonna pull up a picture, but I don't have the Internet on or anything. Well, it's really bad. It's, like, considered one.

[Nicole]

Like, I vaguely remember.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Fun.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like, kind of bad acting.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like, the room where it's, like, celebrated for how bad acting the room is.

[Nicole]

Really wild. I don't think I've watched It full front to back. But Mano was showing me bits and pieces, and I was like, well, this.

[Gillian Nissim]

Is what you would like it if you like. Madame Web. We went to a screening of the Room that was, like, Rocky Horror style, where people, like, throw spoons at a certain time. And, like, spoons. There's something in the. I can't think.

[Betsy Sodaro]

There's, like, a lot of spoon art in the movie. Like, there'll be, like, little frame spoon pictures and stuff. So anytime you see a spoon, you huck, like, plastic spoons.

[Nicole]

That's fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

That's really cute.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was really fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like, people trying to have fun in the world that we're in today. Like, just. We get to do, like, pursue our dumb little interests. And I feel so lucky all the time.

[Nicole]

It is nice.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's really nice.

[Nicole]

Because some people are sad.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I know.

[Gillian Nissim]

I mean, I think we're all also sad.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

But we're trying to be happy. Yeah.

[Nicole]

I think the world's in, like, a collective psychosis. Sadness.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Anywho, that was good.

[Nicole]

What's a core memory that comes to mind for you? Like, what's your favorite time you've had together?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Oh, my God. So many.

[Gillian Nissim]

God, yeah. So many. That first Christmas back in the house is a big one.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That was real where it was the lockdown, and they're like, don't you. Don't you even go outside or whatever.

[Gillian Nissim]

We had the best food.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We ordered from Fogo de Chow for Christmas. Not even for Christmas Eve and Christmas, just for Christmas. And we got trays upon trays of food.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was like catering for a party.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was truly for, like, 12 people. And we were just like, yeah, dude. It was so fun.

[Nicole]

I love that.

[Gillian Nissim]

San Diego was a big one. That was the very beginning of your seafood journey a year. This was years ago. So I got hired to do Remember how UCB would send, like, gig opportunities. I would respond to those. And I found out a lot of our friends were not doing that, but I fully was and did a lot of them. And I was playing a financial fortune teller at a finance convention. I've done it multiple times in multiple cities since then, but I for Ally bank. And it was in, like, a big convention in San Diego, and I had a hotel room, and then they gave me drink tickets to the, like, big party at the end.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

And so Betsy, just for fun, drove down.

[Betsy Sodaro]

He's like, come down. I have a hotel room.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was so fun.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And I was like, okay. And we had so much fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

We rode bikes, like, city bikes around San Diego. Which like, I've never done before. So that was exciting. And then we went to this party where people were like, hey, you like the financial fortune teller, like, thanks for telling me I was gonna get rich in 10 years. Like, really excited, gonna make some investment. I was like, no, because of you.

[Nicole]

It's you.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I'll count on you. Yeah. And people coming up to me being like, so what do you do in finance? I'm like, social media. Cause we also were like, let's try to like fit in.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, yeah. Let's like be financially.

[Betsy Sodaro]

But we went to the Whaley house, which is considered one of like the most haunted houses. Legit, actually. A haunted, not a, like jump out and scare you house in the United States, in San Diego. And we went to that and we like took a bunch of shots before going in. We had a blast. It was so much fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

And I remember at dinner you got a seafood baked potato and it was like a really big deal. Cause that was like the first step.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And it was.

[Nicole]

What's a seafood baked potato?

[Betsy Sodaro]

I think it was lobster.

[Gillian Nissim]

Was it lobster?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like a baked potato, like with lobster on it?

[Gillian Nissim]

And the like twice baked situation where it's like the stuff has been. The inside has been taken out, mashed up, and then baked again.

[Betsy Sodaro]

The mouth is lobster.

[Gillian Nissim]

That was really good.

[Betsy Sodaro]

That was a really fun hang. And I feel it was. When was it? Was it so long ago? No, we had been living together for a while when that happened.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nicole]

But.

[Gillian Nissim]

But still, that was a long time ago.

[Sushoo]

It was.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah, it was a long time ago. It was so fun trying to think of. We've had so many fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

We get to do a lot of fun stuff. Ojai. We just went to Ojai.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We just went to Ojai and had the best time. Have you been?

[Sushoo]

Mm, it's so cool.

[Gillian Nissim]

You gotta go to Ojai.

[Sushoo]

I've been a couple times.

[Betsy Sodaro]

The food was incredible. We like parked the car and never got in it again for like three days. And we stayed at this fun, like, Airstream place and we brought Wilma.

[Gillian Nissim]

It was so cute.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was so much fun. And we just ate and drank and wandered around. It was so much fun.

[Nicole]

That sounds nice.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Just eating and drinking and wandering. Yeah, I love eating. Have you ever been to Slovakia? It's three hours away and it's not called that. It's like a Dutch town.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Oh, my God.

[Gillian Nissim]

I was like, travel to Eastern Europe in a wormhole three hours away. We have been to Bulgaria together.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I was gonna say another really Fun memory. We got to go to Bulgaria.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole]

Because you shot a commercial.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah, yeah. That I meet one.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's the funniest thing. It's the funniest. It's still going, baby. I haven't seen it.

[Sushoo]

No.

[Nicole]

Betsy plays a little eye bug or an. I might.

[Betsy Sodaro]

I might. Yeah, it's really fun partying on an eyelid.

[Sushoo]

Oh, gosh.

[Betsy Sodaro]

But then there's medicine that kills all my friends. It's pretty devastating.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

But yeah, it's shot in Bulgaria.

[Sushoo]

And are there fun puns in the commercial where it's like, I might were.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, my God. If they make a second one, I.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Gotta hit them up. We need a sequel. We need a sequel.

[Gillian Nissim]

Wait, there aren't any puns.

[Nicole]

But that's crazy.

[Gillian Nissim]

No, you're right.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. I don't know. I had to get out a lot of information. Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

It is a pharmacy.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like Demodex Blepharitis. Like, shit like that. I'm like, okay, you did it great. But it was fun. And I got to bring Gilly.

[Sushoo]

That's fun.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Which was just a dream.

[Gillian Nissim]

Everyone's like, who are you? And I was like, I'm her friend. Social media. I don't know why I'm a friend here either. I don't know. You guys said I could.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We just wanted to come to Bulgaria. And we had an absolute blast.

[Nicole]

What do you do in Bulgaria?

[Sushoo]

What's.

[Nicole]

What is.

[Sushoo]

What's fun.

[Nicole]

You had.

[Betsy Sodaro]

You had.

[Nicole]

You ate a lot of fun food.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah, we. We both good food. We got like the most roundabout. Like, this is something we get to do at home too, but we like to go to a restaurant and order. Like it's for catering and we got recommendations, like, through a friend. Through a friend. Through like Aubrey Plaza or something.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Because she shot there. Just shot a movie there or something and gave us a list.

[Gillian Nissim]

And we went through under the Linden Tree. We went to that place twice. It's a lot like Josper barbecue is what they call it. Like J O, S P E R is their, like, wood fired smoky meats selection barbecue.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Every menu had a huge Jasper barbecue option too. So they have all this other stuff and then just meat, meat, delicious meat.

[Gillian Nissim]

I think I thought it would be like hard scrabble, unseasoned kind of food.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah.

[Gillian Nissim]

Which I honestly. Sometimes it's fun, like eating like. Like hard times food. Like, it becomes a cuisine.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Right. There's a lot I thought it would be like.

[Gillian Nissim]

Like Armenian food has, like. It's like a beef that's. It's like A salted beef wrapped in ghee. And it exists because of, like, in hard times. You would need to, like, like, find a way to, like, preserve the meat better. And you could, like, put it in butter, and it would last longer. And it's like.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And also, it's delicious, and it's really good.

[Nicole]

I've never had it, but we.

[Gillian Nissim]

Because Betsy was working, but then we extended it, and we got a guy from the hotel to take us on a day, and we went to see bat caves.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

And, like, a cool waterfall. We were, like, in the mountains.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's gorgeous.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was really cool.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. The Rila Mountains outside of Sofia, Bulgaria.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yeah. We had a good time.

[Sushoo]

Sounds great.

[Gillian Nissim]

Amazing.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It was really fun.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. We get to, like, go places, post up, get drunk, wander around, and then eat really big meals. It's so.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's really nice.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's nice.

[Betsy Sodaro]

It's really fun.

[Sushoo]

We have to wrap up soon, but I. I want to ask one last question.

[Nicole]

Just kidding. I know. I looked at the clock.

[Sushoo]

I'm having a great time.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

We have to end the episode eventually.

[Gillian Nissim]

No, we don't talk forever.

[Sushoo]

But we ask all of our. Our friends who come. Where do you see you both 20 years from now?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Whoa.

[Nicole]

So it's 2045.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Holy.

[Gillian Nissim]

And there's still a society.

[Nicole]

Yeah. And we're still kicking.

[Gillian Nissim]

I see us midway through building the early retirement community that I would like to build for a bunch of our friends.

[Betsy Sodaro]

All of us.

[Gillian Nissim]

You're invited.

[Nicole]

Thank you.

[Gillian Nissim]

And we've made a bunch of shows at that point. We just started kind of working together in the last couple years, developing something, and it's really fun. And I, as a writer, would just love to write silly things that then Betsy has to go do, and everyone will love watching her. Yeah. We've made, like, our third show, and our retirement community, like, we've got, like, wooden frames in the beautiful location that we bought land for this endeavor, and we're, like, going on some other trip.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Cool. I was gonna say we all, like a bunch of friends, just run a cul de sac.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Like a whole street somewhere where we all own our own homes, and then just, like, party in the middle of the street because there's no rules. I would love to have a retirement community with all friends where it goes.

[Gillian Nissim]

In the one I'm building, we have individual abodes. Don't worry. It's not like a commune. Everyone has private space. But there is, like, a clubhouse of, like, you could play pool and games. And then I do think there should Be a stage. Everyone laughs when I said this, but, like, you think we're not gonna want to do improv when we're in our.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We're gonna want to do improv.

[Gillian Nissim]

We're gonna want to do improv.

[Sushoo]

Improv.

[Gillian Nissim]

There should be a stage.

[Sushoo]

I have a character bit I want to work at.

[Gillian Nissim]

What? That's just gonna stop.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

Nope.

[Nicole]

Let's do improv till we die.

[Gillian Nissim]

What do you got? What do you guys.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

What's your dream? Would you like to join our commune?

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I would like to live in a retirement community with people I know.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Nicole]

Because I feel like. Like a lot of old people are just dying alone in their homes or they're, like, withering away because nobody talks to them, or they're in a nursing home where nobody likes them or cares about them. So I wanna. I wanna be with friends or they're.

[Gillian Nissim]

Tagging in on a group game on the stage in my community.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Why die by yourself when you could get a word and do the pattern game? That is like, I haven't thought about.

[Nicole]

A pattern game in years.

[Gillian Nissim]

Oh, my God.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Let's do one right, right now.

[Nicole]

Okay. Can we get a suggestion of anything at all?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Beef.

[Nicole]

Beef. I heard beef.

[Gillian Nissim]

I vaguely remember how to do this.

[Nicole]

Let's go. Is this, like, word, Word, word.

[Gillian Nissim]

It's like A to C. They're like, remember the clover? A to C. But we're coming back.

[Nicole]

To the original, and I find that so hard.

[Gillian Nissim]

What was the suggestion?

[Betsy Sodaro]

Beef.

[Gillian Nissim]

Beef. Okay. Thank you.

[Nicole]

Chewy.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Dog toy.

[Sushoo]

That.

[Gillian Nissim]

Marine.

[Nicole]

Whale.

[Gillian Nissim]

Hardy be.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Ooh. Oh, I hate you. Okay, okay, okay.

[Gillian Nissim]

And this is what you can expect at the retirement.

[Nicole]

That was a commercial for the retirement community.

[Gillian Nissim]

And people are like, more of that.

[Nicole]

Wait, what?

[Sushoo]

You know what?

[Betsy Sodaro]

They all need to die alone in nursing level.

[Gillian Nissim]

I wouldn't ask an audience to watch us do that ever again.

[Nicole]

I remember my first herald. I was like, what is this anyway?

[Gillian Nissim]

I mean, yes, we could do a.

[Nicole]

Show off that in 20 years. I would like to. We've worked together a bunch. I've worked with other friends a bunch. And then I do want to live near my friends.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Yes.

[Nicole]

I don't like that sometimes friends go far away.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We gotta stick together.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

We have to.

[Sushoo]

Yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Okay.

[Sushoo]

Yeah, we will. I want to grow old with my friends, and we all raise our pets together and. Yeah. We create a bunch of stuff together and. And then we get to, like, travel and garden together and eat cool foods. Yes.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah.

[Sushoo]

That kind of stuff.

[Gillian Nissim]

Yeah. We can do more of the same.

[Betsy Sodaro]

Because we're kind of doing it and now it's just like more of the same.

[Sushoo]

It was nice.

[Nicole]

More of the same.

[Gillian Nissim]

I'd be happy.

[Nicole]

Do you divas have anything you want to promote?

[Gillian Nissim]

No.

[Nicole]

Hell yeah.

[Betsy Sodaro]

You can listen to my podcast, A Funny Feeling. And we love trash. If you're nasty.

[Nicole]

Yeah, only if you're nasty. Well, that's it for this episode.

[Sushoo]

Goodbye.

[Nicole]

Best Friends is a production of Headgum Studio.

[Sushoo]

Our producer is Ali Khan.

[Nicole]

Our executive producer is Anya Khanovskaya.

[Sushoo]

The show is edited, mixed and engineered by Rachelle Chen.

[Lamorne Morris]

What's going on? It's Lamorne Morris and Hannah Simone, and we host the Mess Around a New Girl Rewatch podcast now on Headgum. Now here's the thing. Every single week, we chat about an episode of New Girl. And we really get into it. Like, we get up in there. We get up in there in there. You know, we reminisce about our times on set. We share behind the scenes tea. We react to rewatching episodes that we haven't seen in years. We talk about how Jake Johnson is dog.

[Gillian Nissim]

That's not true. We talk about so many memories we have of working with the biggest stars on the planet. I'm talking Prince, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo.

[Lamorne Morris]

We're just two BFFs having a good old time. Okay? Sometimes we even talk to other co stars like Zooey Deschanel, Jake Johnson, Max Greenfield, and Damon Waynes Jr. And your dad. We talk to your dad on this show as well.

[Gillian Nissim]

Make sure you subscribe to the Mess around wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes drop every single Tuesday.