Sasheer Remembers Popcorn Shirts

Summary

Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata Episode: Sasheer Remembers Popcorn Shirts Air Date: March 11, 2026

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Overview

In this lively, playful episode, Nicole and Sasheer dive into viral Super Bowl commercials, the erratic joy of human creativity, childhood nostalgia, sustainable kids’ fashion (including the return of popcorn shirts!), and the complex world of home ownership. As always, the friends answer listener questions covering friendship breakups, group dynamics in Dungeons & Dragons, and navigating flakey friends. The episode is filled with humor, sincerity, and sharp observations on the quirks of everyday life.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

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1. Mike Tyson’s Wild Super Bowl Commercial (00:12–06:09)

• Nicole and Sasheer kick off laughing about a strange Mike Tyson Super Bowl ad.
• Nicole is baffled by how viewers’ responses differ from hers: “I can't believe this aired days ago and nobody told me about it. I don't know if I have a friend in the world. This is up my alley.” [01:32]
• Highlights from the ad: Tyson’s candidness about his struggles and “fudgy people,” aggressive apple crunching, and the ad’s odd tonal mashup: “The tone’s all over the place.” [02:56, Sasheer]
• They reflect on viral moments and why “AI could never do that. Only humanity is this erratic and funny.” [05:22, Nicole / 05:36 Sasheer]

Notable Quotes:

• Nicole: “This is my argument against AI. AI could never do that.” [05:15]
• Sasheer: “That’s the beautiful erratic nature of humanity.” [05:36]

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2. The Joys & Terrors of Chairs (06:09–08:17)

• Nicole sees a broken chair and jokes about how Sasheer would hate falling off of it.
• Sasheer shares about a Guatemalan restaurant with chairs on the walls and ceiling, but admits child-size chairs “look haunted. It's very Annabelle coded.” [08:15]

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3. Children’s Clothes, Popcorn Shirts, and Sustainable Fashion (09:22–11:03)

• Nicole admits her love of buying baby clothes, often in the wrong sizes.
• Sasheer reminisces about ‘popcorn shirts’ from the ‘90s: “They're like, stretchy, and I think they're coming back.” [10:25]
• Discuss buying sustainable clothes for kids (stretch to fit), but laugh at the lack of variety: “You look like a Teletubby... It's like one color.” [10:55]

Notable Quotes:

• Sasheer: “Do you remember those popcorn shirts that were, like, popular in the 90s?... They’re coming back.” [10:07]

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4. Childhood TV, Not Being Seen, and 90s Nostalgia (12:08–16:17)

• Discuss fever-dream children’s TV shows like Teletubbies (“There’s a baby in the sun!” [11:51])
• Nicole laments not growing up with Nickelodeon. Sasheer recalls Nickelodeon’s empowering focus (“Kids rights!” [14:31])
• “Kids aren’t being seen or heard. They’re being put in dungeons.” [15:53, Nicole]

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5. Kids’ Play Spaces & The Touch Tunnel (16:17–16:57)

• Nicole and Sasheer reminisce about places like Discovery Zone and a “touch tunnel” at Liberty Science Center: “It was pitch black, and you could only touch your way through.” [16:17]
• Many kids would panic inside.

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6. Idioms, Pop Culture, and Misremembered Movie Moments (19:06–23:35)

• Discussion of idioms like “chicken” (from Back to the Future) and “ignorance is bliss” (from The Matrix), and how some phrases feel like they must have originated in movies.
• Confusion over Wayne’s World vs. Clueless catchphrases, and cultural impact: “This movie... Inspirational to all.” [21:14]

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7. On Cosmetic Procedures and Loving Yourself (30:14–31:12)

• Nicole shares reflections on aging gracefully: “I think I want to, like, look my age. And then I really like my laugh lines. It’s because I’ve laughed so much. And I smile so much. So I like that.” [30:42]

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8. Home Ownership Challenges and Adulting Realities (39:32–54:48)

• Both hosts vent about mishaps with LA’s water department, unhelpful contractors, and home insurance (“You said you did [waterproofing]. I trusted you. Your door people. You do doors?” [43:47])
• Advice: always have a rainy day fund for house repairs.

Notable Quotes:

• Nicole: “The American dream is own a home, have kids... Rent, rent, rent as long as you can!” [50:18]
• Sasheer: “As soon as I moved in... I had to replace the roof.” [51:50]

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9. Clothing Swaps, Upcycling, and Friendship Gifting (54:32–56:45)

• Nicole gives away beloved clothes to friends when they don’t fit: “It should have been me. It should have been me.” [54:44]
• Talks about crafting—altering sweatshirts and challenging herself to make new clothes.

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10. Listener Questions & Advice Segment (57:10–72:34)

A. Friendship Breakup Boundaries (57:10–62:21)

• Advice for a listener ending a draining friendship: “I think protect your peace. This person sounds like an energy vampire.” [61:59–62:02]
• Sasheer notes: “There’s a huge lack of self-awareness. It’s asking for too much.” [62:03]

B. D&D Group Dynamics (62:22–68:21)

• A D&D group has a friend (Betsy) who’s not engaged—should they address it? Nicole suggests, “Maybe Betsy just wants to hang, not play.” [64:08] and proposes gentle options.
• Sasheer: “Maybe you can phrase it like that. Hey… do you really want to play, or just hang?” [64:32]

C. Flakey Friend and the Polycule (68:45–72:34)

• Listener upset over a friend skipping drinks for her “married polycule.” The hosts offer empathy and note, “In my old age, I’ve learned… they’re doing what’s important to them. It might not reflect on you.” [70:09]
• Gentle suggestion: express disappointment, but give grace, and consider scheduling mishaps.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• “AI could never. What prompt would you give AI to give you ‘fudgy people’, ‘fat and nasty’?” – Nicole [05:28]
• “You look like a Teletubby…You’re like, you’re the purple one.” – Sasheer [10:55]
• “I was so proud of myself. Call me a factory. I’m hitting the quotas.” – Nicole (on her sweatshirt-altering spree) [33:48]
• “It should have been me!” – Nicole (on passing along beloved thrift finds to friends) [54:44]
• “Kids aren’t being seen or heard. They’re being put in dungeons.” – Nicole [15:53]
• “As soon as I moved in, I had to replace the roof.” – Sasheer [51:50]

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:12 – Opening; Mike Tyson’s ad
• 06:09 – Joys and hazards of chairs
• 09:22 – Kids fashion, popcorn shirts
• 12:08 – Children’s TV fever dreams
• 16:17 – Play spaces, the touch tunnel
• 19:06 – Idioms and pop culture
• 30:14 – Aging, Botox, and self-acceptance
• 39:32 – Home ownership woes
• 54:32 – Clothing swaps, upcycling
• 57:10 – Listener questions (friendship breakup, D&D group, flakey friend)
• 72:42 – Episode closes

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Tone and Style

The episode is fast-moving, vibrant, and supportive. Nicole and Sasheer’s banter is honest, hilarious, and filled with punchlines, but there’s a core of warmth and empathy—a trademark of their friendship “pantheon”. They balance roasting life’s absurd moments with advice that’s both real and kind, championing boundaries and friendship above all.

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Best enjoyed with your own best friend—or while considering how a “popcorn shirt” could fit into your current wardrobe.

Transcript

[Caller/Listener]

This is a headgun podcast.

[Nicole Byer]

Hello, Sasheer.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Hello, Nicole.

[Nicole Byer]

I can't get over Mike Tyson's ad in the Super Bowl.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's really crazy. It's very funny.

[Nicole Byer]

It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my whole life. And then I was like, well, the comments must reflect how people must have found this to be so funny. The comments were not that. No, the comments were like, thank you, Mr. Tyson. Thank you. Thank you for saying the things that needed to be heard. And I truly was like, okay, we're all different.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Because I thought it was hilarious.

[Nicole Byer]

It was so funny. Yeah, it was. So we watched it yesterday because I saw, like, somebody posted. They were like, Mike Tyson did a Super bowl spot where he said he was so fat and nasty he wanted to kill himself. And I was like, well, that must be hyperbole.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, that's literally what he said verbatim.

[Nicole Byer]

That man said, I was so fat and nasty, I wanted to kill myself. America's full of fudgy people. Fudgy people?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Fat and fudgy people or big and fudgy people? I can't remember.

[Nicole Byer]

Big fudgy people, I believe is what he said. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Do you think they actually had a script at first or they just let him go?

[Nicole Byer]

People are in my DMs because I posted it online. I posted on Instagram. I said, I can't believe this aired days ago and nobody told me about it. I don't know if I have a friend in the world. This is up my alley. And someone DM'd me and was like, my husband shot a commercial with him. He had one line, he could not say it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's funny.

[Nicole Byer]

Another person said they worked for NBC Sports or something. I don't know. I, I, I just read it, and they were like, they were waiting on the spot, and they were like, the spot was, like, delivered late. And then when they all finally saw it, they're like, what? The way he crunches on the apple and goes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's really aggressive. It's an aggressive crunch.

[Nicole Byer]

It is so ag. Everything about it. Can we watch it one more time? I'm so sorry.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, not at all. It's also like, if I'm also like, what was on the cutting room floor? If that's what made it, they're like, this is the best we can do. We have to fill time.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, it must be legendary. It must be something so funny that we're not ready for it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I'm sure I wasn't ready for this at All.

[Nicole Byer]

I wasn't ready either, Sasheer. My mouth was open and I couldn't. I simply couldn't believe it. And it's in black and white. It looks here.

[Sasheer Zamata]

There was a single tear.

[Nicole Byer]

Single tear.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Like it's the. The tone's all over the place.

[Nicole Byer]

It sure is.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It seems like he's mad. Yes. But then he's crying.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, my God. She died of obesity at 25 also. What is he looking at?

[Caller/Listener]

I was so fat, nasty anything.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like £345 when

[Sasheer Zamata]

I was like that. He wanted to kill myself.

[Nicole Byer]

Who's this person who appears at the end?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Is it his son or like another. I don't know, friend?

[Nicole Byer]

When he says the most obese, fudgy people, they cut to him laughing. I think the spider is a joke.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It feels like a joke. It feels like a parody.

[Nicole Byer]

It does.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's.

[Nicole Byer]

He's not looking into the camera. At first, my sister thought of Will be Phoebe. And then they show him from different angles.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It is a lot.

[Nicole Byer]

It is art.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And this is a government ad. I couldn't believe it said real food.gov. i was like, what?

[Nicole Byer]

Wait, the government's not serious? Nobody's serious right now. It's really wild.

[Sasheer Zamata]

But it also makes me mad because I'm like, you guys want to talk about real food? Are you kidding me?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Y' all have created food deserts and shit. You're the ones who don't regulate what the snack industry's putting in our snacks.

[Sasheer Zamata]

The companies don't have to reveal what chemicals they use anymore because of the government, because they don't require that anymore.

[Nicole Byer]

And then, isn't that the man who talks like this? What's his name?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Robert Kennedy?

[Nicole Byer]

Isn't he telling everybody to drink raw milk, which could kill you?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I didn't know that.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, you didn't know there's a raw milk movement here?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I had no idea. I know. There was a beef tallow movement.

[Nicole Byer]

Beef tallow, raw milk and measles. We're on the up and up.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know.

[Nicole Byer]

I have sent this spot to every single person I know.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's very funny.

[Nicole Byer]

I went to dinner last night and they sent that video and I said, please be prepared to discuss.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Have your notes ready.

[Nicole Byer]

It's one of the best things I've ever seen. And honestly, this is my argument against AI. AI could never do that.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's true. That's true.

[Nicole Byer]

AI could never. What prompts would you give AI to

[Sasheer Zamata]

give you fudgy people fat and nasty?

[Nicole Byer]

I wanted to Kill myself. No.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's like, that's the beautiful erratic nature of humanity.

[Nicole Byer]

It really is.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Only a human can do that.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm like crying. This is going to get me through 2026.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Nice.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm going to watch it every day.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's a really good way to start the year.

[Nicole Byer]

It's so funny. Crunch it. He m on that apple. And then the apple's so small.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And did he also bite a carrot?

[Nicole Byer]

He might have bite.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I feel like there's like three different food. Oh, wow.

[Nicole Byer]

What's bringing you joy today?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Let's bring you today. I mean, the sun's out for a little bit and that's nice. But then I'll go, truly, just a little bit. Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I saw a chair that would not bring you joy today. It was one of those white plastic chairs and one of the legs was broken. And I said so. She would be so mad if she sat down and fell down.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I would be betrayed by a chair. I'd be very upset. What would you do if I fell down off a chair? I think I'd just be like, ouch. I don't know if I would do anything.

[Nicole Byer]

I'd leave.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Just leave completely.

[Nicole Byer]

I'd leave. I'd say, well, that's a wrap on me.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Can't be.

[Nicole Byer]

The Lord said, get out of here. Can't even sit in a chair. Gotta go.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I get that. Yeah. I went to, I was in Guatemala. Yes. And that was really fun. And I saw a restaurant that had chairs as decoration on the walls and the ceiling. And I was like, well, this is my favorite place.

[Nicole Byer]

Did it strike inspiration? Are you gonna buy chairs and hang them on the wall?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't think so. I, I, you know, of course I'm always like, how can I fit another chair in my house? But. And I have seen places that have them on the wall, but I feel like that's just too far. I just like, it's a bridge too far for me.

[Nicole Byer]

I think it's a bridge that's attainable. You don't have to do like full size chairs.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's true.

[Nicole Byer]

If you could find children size chairs or like doll chairs that are funky and cool.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

You can put those on like a wall in your office.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's true. But something about like doll size or children's size chairs are cute, but sometimes when I see them, I'm like, it looks haunted. Like it looks something about the energy. It just feels like, yeah, a child, Either a child or adult supposed to sit here. And I don't like that. I Don't know why.

[Nicole Byer]

It's very Annabelle coded. Yes. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. And just like an empty child's chair. It really feels like. What happened here?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. That's like baby shoes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

Wait, what is it?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Never.

[Nicole Byer]

Never worn.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

For sale.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Never worn. Baby shoes. For sale. Never worn.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, I can't believe that made me guffaw.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. The saddest sentence ever.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Don't buy baby shoes before it's here.

[Sasheer Zamata]

But what if it was here?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, God. Ooh, that's tough.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Because if there's shoes this baby was able to walk, it, you know, like, is about to walk or maybe.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, no. People buy timbs for babies who can't walk.

[Sasheer Zamata]

They're not like, fresh babies.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, fresh babies get shoes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, but I feel like their feet

[Nicole Byer]

are all, like, people shove floppy shoes on them. Floppy ass feet. Yeah. You've never seen, like, a brand new baby with shoes, and you're like, oh. Oh, you're in shoes already.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I guess. I. I don't.

[Nicole Byer]

You're not really paying attention to babies.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I'm really not paying attention to babies.

[Nicole Byer]

I am paying so much attention. I love a baby. They smell so good. Their outfits are so cute. I got my cousin's daughter so many outfits that she got to wear maybe one time.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Because I was like, they're so adorable. And then I hopped on Etsy and bought a bunch of children's clothes in different sizes. And I was like, she'll grow. She'll grow into these. And I went over once, and she was wearing these adorable overalls. And I was like, oh. In my head, I was like, these are the cutest overalls I've ever fucking seen. I love kids clothes. And then she finally was like, those are the overalls you got her. And I was like, ah, yes. Okay, that explains why I like them.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's fine.

[Nicole Byer]

These are.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Whoever got these are. They have good taste.

[Nicole Byer]

That's a good person. Oh, good eye.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. I saw these. Maybe I was shopping for, like, a baby shower gift or something, but I don't think I got it. But there's a brand that has clothes that will grow with a kid. No. What? Do you remember those popcorn shirts that were, like, popular in the 90s?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

They're, like, stretchy, and I think they're coming back. So it's like that kind of material, like pants and shirt. So as a kid grows up a little bit more, they can still fit into that thing. And I'm like, everyone should get These like, this will save people so much money.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, it's very sustainable. But not a lot of, like, variety.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, this is true. It's not a lot of variety.

[Nicole Byer]

It's like a Starburst all pink pack.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes. Yeah. It's like you look like a Teletubby. It's like one color.

[Nicole Byer]

You look like a Teletubby.

[Sasheer Zamata]

You're like, you're the purple one. You're the yellow. Oh, I didn't know you knew the names.

[Nicole Byer]

Tinky Winky for sure. Is the purple one okay? Because I was like, you've got the best name and purple's my favorite color. I believe Po is the red one.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay, that sounds right.

[Nicole Byer]

The yellow one. Steve Lala. Lala.

[Caller/Listener]

And then Dipsy.

[Nicole Byer]

Dipsy. He's green. Yeah. Oh, Tinky Winky.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Po Lala and Dipsy. I don't know, they sound like rappers.

[Sasheer Zamata]

They do actually.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, that's a rap group. Like. Yeah, they're good names.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. Do they have music on that show or they just like. Isn't that what they sound like?

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know anything about what they sound like. I just know that they romp around in a field and there's a baby in the sun. Yes, there is a baby in the sun.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Most, a lot of children's shows are like fever dreams.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, how.

[Sasheer Zamata]

What did they do? Like, where did the idea come from? Like, were they. Like, it really must have been a dream maybe.

[Nicole Byer]

Or someone's kid was like, and then. And then the red monster. And then. And then the pink, the purple one. And then they're like, the monsters look like, oh, they have weird humanish faces around these big. Yeah, I. I truly think children come up with these things. And then adults are like, well, I have, I have the reason I can make this.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. I think. I don't know, because part of me wants to be like, they, they must have like child psychologists involved that are like, oh, children really respond to these colors or like this kind of imagery or whatever. And then sometimes I'm like, I think people are just making things up and they're just like hoping K it maybe.

[Nicole Byer]

I know Ms. Rachel speaks the way she does because children actually do respond to it. They.

[Sasheer Zamata]

They like it probably.

[Nicole Byer]

Which is crazy. Cuz I always thought kids liked when you talk to them like normal people. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't know. I think they just like being talked to.

[Nicole Byer]

I think they do.

[Sasheer Zamata]

They just want to be seen.

[Nicole Byer]

They really do. Yeah. You know, it must be so hard being a kid. You're so small you're saying gibberish all the time. People don't get it. They're, like, annoyed by you.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. I feel like when we were kids, you didn't watch Nickelodeon that much. So I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay. You didn't have to say it like that. I grew up with.

[Sasheer Zamata]

How do you think I said it?

[Nicole Byer]

You were like, you just didn't watch it that much. Like, I had a choice. I grew up without Nickelodeon. We didn't have cable growing up. I couldn't do it. I just simply couldn't watch.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Why don't you just try harder? Try harder to watch it.

[Nicole Byer]

I couldn't. My parents pretended we were poor.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's really funny.

[Nicole Byer]

It was awful. We drove everywhere. We never flew. When they died, I said, what? We could have been flying. We could have had cable.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, it's funny. It'd be funny if they had, like, a secret room where they got to enjoy all their money and then you just didn't see it.

[Nicole Byer]

That would be so crazy. Well, I mean, when my sister and I moved out, my dad did get cable, and I was like, this was mean. This was so rude. But go on about your Nickelodeon that you got to watch.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Well, just like, I feel like there was, like, a big, like, movement on the channel that was like, kids rights. Like, kids got. Kids deserve a voice, too. This is our. Our space to be kids and, like, speak up.

[Nicole Byer]

Speak up against what?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't know. I don't remember. But I do feel like that idea of, like, yeah, kids don't usually have a voice, or kids don't usually get a say or have a space for themselves. Nickelodeon was like, we got you.

[Nicole Byer]

Aw.

[Sasheer Zamata]

See this for you.

[Nicole Byer]

I remember I was at some kid's house, and Nickelodeon was on, and then there was just a title card that was like, go outside. And I was like, the one time I get to watch, just tell me to. Tell me to go outside.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's really funny.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, really upset.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And now outside time.

[Nicole Byer]

And I remember it was during Gullah. Gullah Island.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I love that.

[Nicole Byer]

Or like, right after Gullah Gullah island, it was like, go outside. And I was like, well, all right.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Did you guys actually go outside?

[Nicole Byer]

No, I think we stayed in that basement. No, it was in a basement.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, Most things are in basement.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I feel like that's, like, a common kid space.

[Nicole Byer]

Parents are like, go get your ass.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Get downstairs. Either go outside.

[Nicole Byer]

And that's.

[Sasheer Zamata]

See, kids aren't being seen or heard.

[Nicole Byer]

No. They're being put in dungeons.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Go to the dungeon or go outside. To the streets.

[Nicole Byer]

To the streets. That's so funny. And, like, yeah, kids, places. All they have left is Chuck E. Cheese.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Is that even a thing still? Yeah, it is. I think it's pretty sure. Yeah. But, yeah, there's no Discovery Zone anymore.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And I liked Discovery Zone.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Me too.

[Nicole Byer]

It was really fun.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

We had a place called the Liberty Science Center. I don't know if it still exists, but I feel like we would go every year on class trips, and they had a thing called the touch tunnel, where it was pitch black and you can only touch your way through it. It was scary.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Do you remember what the touch felt like? Like, what was it like? Soft, rigid, or the different types of touch?

[Nicole Byer]

I think it was different types of touch. But every time I went, a child would scream, and then they'd have to, like, pull them out of the middle.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, no. It was scary.

[Nicole Byer]

You were in pitch blackness. Yeah, pitch blackness.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Pitch black.

[Nicole Byer]

Pitch black.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Darkness.

[Nicole Byer]

Pitch darkness. I don't know. Both of those sound insane.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I think it's. It's pitch black and then darkness. They're just two different things.

[Nicole Byer]

Yelling. They sound crazy. Pitch blackness.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Well, that does sound crazy, because darkness. No one says that. Like, why are you saying blackness?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, pitch black.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah,

[Caller/Listener]

I don't.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, it does sound crazy. Why are you saying, like, I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

Because it felt like that was the phrase until I said it, and then I didn't understand why it sounded so crazy until you were like, that's not it. Yeah. Boy, we got there. It's tough.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's tough.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, my God. Clyde went and got his. So Clyde had surgery, and he got his bandage changed today, and they sent him home with a bandage with chickens on it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's fun.

[Nicole Byer]

He's not a chicken. He's a brave little boy.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Do you think the bandage, like, the animal on the bandage is for, like, correlated to who the bandage is for? You think the chicken bandage only goes on chickens?

[Nicole Byer]

I didn't know what they were trying to infer about my good boy.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, you think chicken as in scared?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, I see.

[Nicole Byer]

He's a brave little boy. Yeah. He's not a chicken. You thought I thought my dog was a chicken.

[Sasheer Zamata]

You thought the vet thought your dog was a chicken? My dog's not a chicken. He doesn't need chicken bandages.

[Nicole Byer]

If you stayed really calm, I would be like, wait, what? You think the vet thinks your dog is a chick? That was really kind. That was so kind that you were like, uh, oh, I think my Friend is having a crisis. She thinks. The animal specialists think her dog is a chicken, but we'll get to the bottom of why she thinks that. No, I thought, like, in Back to the Future, like, when Marty McFly is called a chicken, and he's like, ah, I hate that. I thought they were calling quite a chicken.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, yeah. Also, that's part. I mean, I don't know the reference because I don't remember Back to the Future that well. But also, that isn't just a phrase. Like, you're a chicken.

[Nicole Byer]

I know.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I. I understand it. That's like the Matrix all over again. You know that saying, ignorance is bliss from the Matrix?

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, maybe. I don't know that sayings are just a thing, I guess. I hear them in movies and I'm like. And that's why people say it. Well.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Well, sometimes. Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Like that movie.

[Sasheer Zamata]

What are you doing that movie.

[Nicole Byer]

What is happening?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Why are you nodding your head like that?

[Nicole Byer]

That movie, they do this.

[Sasheer Zamata]

What is that?

[Nicole Byer]

There were hats. They ha.

[Sasheer Zamata]

What?

[Nicole Byer]

I don't.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That is. Give me more details.

[Nicole Byer]

There's two men.

[Sasheer Zamata]

There's two men, and they wear hats and their head banging. And I have the Roxburgh.

[Nicole Byer]

They're in the car, and they're singing that song. I see a little silhouette of a kind. Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew. Really?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Really.

[Nicole Byer]

Sighting everyone's. They're wearing hats.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Wayne's World.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay. One has a hat.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, only one.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Mm.

[Nicole Byer]

Interesting. So there's a bunch of stuff in that movie that's, like, part of pop culture that I think came from that movie. And I don't think they're, like, things that were around before.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Ooh, okay.

[Nicole Byer]

But maybe they were.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

Maybe.

[Sasheer Zamata]

But I do think. I think you're right. Sometimes movies do inspire language.

[Nicole Byer]

But everything I'm saying is just a thing that's been around.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. But that's okay.

[Nicole Byer]

That was really tough that you didn't know that movie. I thought I was giving you a really good hint.

[Sasheer Zamata]

This. This part was hard. The head. The head banging was hard.

[Nicole Byer]

Are they doing that in the car? Aren't they?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Like, I can see a visual of that. Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

As if. Yes, they say. And I always thought it was from Clueless.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, they say in the. Wayne's World.

[Nicole Byer]

Huh?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And then they said something else that I was like, whoa, that's from something else. It really blew me away. I said, wow, this movie. Inspirational to all.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It really started everything, and I had never seen it. When did you see it? Recently.

[Nicole Byer]

I think I saw it. Last year I did a stage reading of it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, that's right.

[Nicole Byer]

And I was like, well, I should watch the source material. And that's how I saw the Goonies. Cause I did a stage reading of the Goonies. I had never seen the Goonies. And I was like, whoa, this is what people are referencing sometimes in improv stuff.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, a lot of people have liked and enjoyed the Goonies and it sticks with them. And I still haven't seen it.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, you haven't. You don't need to. I really don't think you do. Yeah, I think people, people might say you really do need to, but I think it's like one of those. It's like a kids movie that I think sticks with you when you're a kid. Yeah, like the Sandlot. I loved the Sandlot. Yeah, some people haven't seen it and I'm like, I don't know if it's worth it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I haven't seen it either.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh well, you have to take a break.

[Sasheer Zamata]

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[Sasheer Zamata]

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[Nicole Byer]

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[Sasheer Zamata]

Does it hurt?

[Nicole Byer]

No, but it's making my eye tear a little bit.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I'm sorry. It is annoying. Like, how affected my eyes get by tiny things like lint or dust or. And I'm like, what are the lashes for? Aren't they supposed to be guarding? On guard?

[Nicole Byer]

They are supposed to be on guarding,

[Sasheer Zamata]

and they're not keeping anything out. And sometimes they themselves get in my eye, girl.

[Nicole Byer]

All the fucking time.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

They'll just be turned the other way. Just like windshield wipering my fucking eyeball. And I'm like, what are we doing? Get a grip.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, do your job.

[Nicole Byer]

Go out. And then I'd get, like, an eyelash curler. And then sometimes it just won't do it. So then I'll have to, like, tweeze that.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, God.

[Nicole Byer]

And I don't have enough eyelashes for that.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No. How much, like, when an eyelash falls out or comes out, how long does it take for another one to grow back?

[Nicole Byer]

Ally. Ally. I don't know, because I ripped out a lot of eyelashes in my 20s.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Just like, gluing lashes right on the lash.

[Caller/Listener]

It takes about six to 12 weeks, although that. They can begin to show visible growth in as little as three to four weeks.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay. Which is also funny because I've never seen, like, a short eyelash on my. I guess I don't study my eyelashes. But, like, you know, if, like, one is growing, I've never seen one that looks shorter than the rest that I'm. That makes sense.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, they're so tiny and thin that, like. Let me see. Well, you moved so much, I really couldn't get a look.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay, look up.

[Nicole Byer]

That's a tough case to crack. You know how sometimes you like, offer to do something. You're like, I don't know.

[Caller/Listener]

I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't know. I don't know how to do this.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know. And then you're like, hey, you didn't do that, right? Give me another chance. And then you did it. And I was like, I don't fucking know.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay, well, I think an eyelash. I found an eyelash on my face either today or yesterday. And so I'll just keep an eye on it, see if anything starts growing.

[Nicole Byer]

Keep eye on the situation, see if anything develops. That's so funny. Have you ever tried, like, Latisse?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, no. But.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, no. I guess I just.

[Sasheer Zamata]

My brain was like, I've heard of that. Oh, yeah. I remember this being a thing. No, but I did not try it. But I have tried other types of things like that. They're, like liquid that you put on the eyelash line. And I don't know if they ever worked.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know if they ever work either. And I think I'm just gonna, like, give up. Do it, like, trying to improve myself. Well, I was watching something and I was like, ooh, I don't think I'm ever going to do Botox. And, like, no shade to people who do it. But I was like, I don't. I think. I think I want to, like, look my age. And then I really like my laugh lines. I was staring at them the other day and I was like, it's because I've laughed so much.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And I smile so much. So I like that.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, me too.

[Nicole Byer]

And then my little crinkles here. It's because I was

[Sasheer Zamata]

smiling so hard.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Oh, my God. And I was watching Spider Man 2 last night, and there was a couple characters that I was like, ooh, you full of Botox. Early adopters. I was like, I don't. I don't want that.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Because you can always tell.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Also Alfred Molina, a star.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Who's that?

[Nicole Byer]

He is Dr. October.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, he is, right? Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

He's so good in it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And then there's one shot where Tobey Maguire lands on his back and his dick looks huge. Ooh. And I was like, whoa, is that real? Is that cgi?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Or maybe they put, like, a cup. Is he wearing his suit?

[Nicole Byer]

He is wearing his Spider man suit.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I would assume they'd probably put a cup or something in the suit.

[Nicole Byer]

I would assume it's like, bow.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, it's loose.

[Nicole Byer]

It's the juice. Is Loose. I can't stop saying it. It's my favorite phrase to say when Clyde is out, since he can't move around too much. Me and that nice man, we say the juice is loose to be like, move slowly to not excite him so you can get him. But yeah, it's a fun thing. But yeah, to him. Why is juice is loose? Well, it's huge.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Well, yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Maybe I should have taken a screenshot so then I could have like Google image search it to be like, is this really Toby Maguire's penis? Do you think Google would tell me?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't know how they would have. I don't know how they'd have verification of that. Like, how would they know?

[Nicole Byer]

Nah, you're right. Probably not though.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Because our friend Tess was trying to look up. What was she trying to look up? Like a football players relationship status or something like that. And the AI prompt was like. Like the. Their. Their personal relationship status is private or something like that. And she was like, damn.

[Nicole Byer]

Which is very funny for AI to be like, excuse you, nosy bitch.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes. Could you have some respect for their privacy?

[Nicole Byer]

It's so funny. Ooh, Sasheer, Did I tell you I altered a bunch of sweatshirts? Did I tell you this yesterday?

[Sasheer Zamata]

No.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh. So what I did was I cropped sweatshirts.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I cut them to nine inches from the armpit. Cause that seems to be the optimal length that I like.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

So I cut them and then I took the bottoms and I cut the band, like close to the band. And then I sewed them to the edge that I cropped so the edges aren't. Like, they won't fray. And it looks like that's how it came.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, my goodness.

[Nicole Byer]

It took me maybe 45 minutes to an hour to cut them all, and then an hour and a half to sew. I think I did six or seven of them.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Call me a factory. I'm hitting the quotas.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's amazing. Thank you.

[Nicole Byer]

And I bought one sweatshirt that was pretty cheap. And I was like, that will be my practice one. And then I was like, I don't like this sweatshirt. So if it turns out good, I won't wear it. And I'm gonna be mad about it. I'm just gonna go for it. So I went for it and I fucked up that first one.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

I really, really fucked it up. It looks like when I tried it on, it looks like it's just twisted. And I said, well, that's what it is. I don't know how to fix it. Cause I tried Seam ripping it and it frayed. Cause it's vintage and kind of old. And I was like, well, that's what that is. But I learned on that first one that when you're sewing something with an elastic band and then the bottom of a sweatshirt is smaller than the middle of it, so you have to pull the band as you're running it through the machine.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I felt so smart. I was like, wow. I like figured that out. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Good job.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you. I was so deeply proud of myself.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I'm proud of you too.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you. I've been putting off making pants because I got about all this, like, incredible fabric to make, like little cute sets. And I know it's just gonna. It's gonna take me probably an hour to cut the pattern.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And then may probably an hour and a half. Cutting the pattern really sucks. And then sewing it will probably take me 45 minutes to an hour. And then I'll just have fucking new pants.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. I feel like we keep talking about having like a craft day or something where people bring over their projects and we just do it like co working, like around each other. We should do that.

[Nicole Byer]

We should. Because then I could get some done.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, you do your pants. What do I want to do? So something.

[Nicole Byer]

So something.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I do have a bag of things that like, need mending. Like, they have. They have holes in it or whatever, and I just haven't gotten to it.

[Nicole Byer]

I can mend. Probably not well, though.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I can mend. I just don't do it because they're just sitting in the bag. And I'm like, I'll get to that later.

[Nicole Byer]

I was also proud of myself because, you know, Godoy, he got me chalk to like mark things and it was very, very sweet. And I was like, I need to use this gift.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Because it's a gift that's useful and I want to use it and I used it. And I was so proud of myself. Yay.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Good job.

[Nicole Byer]

I feel so good. I felt so accomplished.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. I mean, you literally accomplished something.

[Nicole Byer]

Ugh. I gotta get back into it and I really. Do you ever, like, do something small and then you go, I can be in the big leagues. I can fucking do this.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

I can take a swing. I really wanna make a jumpsuit. And I know that that is. That won't be an hour long process. That will be like a days long process. Yeah. And the thought of it is really daunting because I'm like, I don't want to abandon it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Mm.

[Nicole Byer]

Do you know what I mean? I Don't want to start it and then, like, be like, whatever.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I believe in you.

[Nicole Byer]

Thanks. And then I'll have to learn how to do, like, zippers and pockets and stuff. Also threading a fucking sewing machine with acrylic nails.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Ooh,

[Nicole Byer]

I'm an athlete. I was sweating. It was hard.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And also, I don't know who I have to talk to. Threading. The hole in the needle is so fucking tiny.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It is?

[Nicole Byer]

For what? Why can't it be bigger and adjustable or something?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't know. I'm not really sure.

[Nicole Byer]

I was, like, squinting. I was this close. I was, like, in it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I wonder if you can use tweezers.

[Nicole Byer]

H. You. I hate you. Oh, that probably would have been. It never occurred to me. And it would have probably made my life so much easier than. I don't want to be here anymore. I want to go home. That was so upsetting. I hate when the answer is there and it just doesn't occur to me. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I'm sorry.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm so king.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Well, but now you know. Now that. Now you know that's an option.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And you did figure it out. You did thread it.

[Nicole Byer]

My time would have been just. I could have really churned through more.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

If I didn't. If I wasn't hunched over trying to thread the needle. Oh, my God.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I understand.

[Nicole Byer]

Pretty upset.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Do you recognize this sweatshirt?

[Nicole Byer]

Of course I do. It used to belong to me. Yeah, and it was too small.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I like it.

[Nicole Byer]

I love it. It's a. I thought it was just a straight up duck, but Tess said

[Sasheer Zamata]

it was a loon.

[Nicole Byer]

A loon. Which is from heated rivalry. I mean, the world.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, it's only on heated rivalry, but

[Nicole Byer]

that's how I know a loon. Because there's loons being heard in the last episode, and Ilya's, like, scared of the loons, and then. Wait, what's the other one's name?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Hollander.

[Nicole Byer]

Hollander. He does a bird call, but not a loon burn call. Not a loon bird call. It's like they're predators or something.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, I thought it was a loon call, but it meant, like, back off.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, maybe. Hey.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Or something like that.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know. People tell me things, and I just. I keep them in my head until I say them wrong out loud.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Maybe it was a predator, but whatever it was is to protect Illiot, which is so sweet.

[Nicole Byer]

So, so fucking sweet. Heat arrival is so sweet.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, my God, the author. Oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't say it.

[Caller/Listener]

We talked about it.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, we did.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, okay, then I don't have to say it again.

[Sasheer Zamata]

What was it?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, just the author of Heat at ivaly. I reached out. She's gonna do why Won't yout Date Me? And I'm really excited to talk to her.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I don't think I knew that. Oh, did we talk about that?

[Caller/Listener]

We did. We did.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, I forgot. Oh, Mom. Fun that my best friend doesn't listen to me.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I do.

[Nicole Byer]

It's really, really cool.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's really, really, really cool. I forgot.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, this is a continuation of talking about LA dwp. So the day yesterday. So two days. Two days ago. Had a man come out, fix my shit. Was like, it was our side. Hopefully they'll refund you. That was two days ago. Today, instead of adjusting my payment because it's on autopay, they just processed it and they never send me an email. And they sent me an email and said, thank you for your money. I was like, are you. Are you trolling me?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Ooh. So now I gotta get on. I gotta get on their dicks and I gotta get my fucking money back.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes. That's crazy.

[Nicole Byer]

It was wild. I was like, what? Why are you thanking me? You should have adjusted this pay period.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

I have to go to war with them.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I really. I'm sorry.

[Nicole Byer]

I can't believe so many businesses want to do me wrong.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Air Bungee Fitness. La. Wp, glow. Modern Dentistry.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I'm gonna have to go to war soon, too, because.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh,

[Sasheer Zamata]

I was acknowledging that.

[Nicole Byer]

I think I know what you're about to say, but I was waiting for you to say it, and my. My O was maybe slightly too big.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, no. It might be appropriate. But I was like, do you know, I think windows.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes. So the windows I got installed, they won't keep. They won't stop bothering me or let the windows keep causing problems. So I have a leak that is going from my deck to the bedroom underneath it, and I couldn't figure out where the water was coming from. The roof guy came over and was like, coming from the door that got installed here. And he's like, yeah, they didn't properly seal it. And then he started looking at other stuff too, and he's like, they didn't really seal a lot of these. And so my girlfriend looked it up, and your home insurance can sue a company to make them pay for damage that they caused, so. Or like, that came from the work that they did. And I was like, I don't want to do that. But my girlfriend likes to fight.

[Nicole Byer]

There you go.

[Sasheer Zamata]

She's going to do it.

[Nicole Byer]

That's lovely. I mean, she doesn't even have to, because it goes through your insurance.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

When I got sued because my lovely dog bit somebody.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know if we talked about it on this, but I've talked about it on. Why won't you date me, Clyde?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Bitch.

[Nicole Byer]

A server at a club. And then she sued me, and I was like, oh, my God. But then homeowners insurance covers pets, so they're the ones who dealt with everything and just, like, kept me in the loop with the payout and, like, the status of things. So honestly, I think you just talk to your insurance, and then your insurance does it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Okay, great.

[Nicole Byer]

They. They are. They're paid every month, and then they finally work for you when things like

[Sasheer Zamata]

this happen, I mean. Yeah, it's like, please, this is. This is what I'm paying you for. You do it.

[Nicole Byer]

That is so annoying, though, because it's like, I don't know how to build.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I know.

[Nicole Byer]

You said you did.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I trusted you.

[Nicole Byer]

Your door people. You do doors?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes, I did specifically ask, are you waterproofing this? And they're like, yep, they didn't. And I can tell is exposed wood. It's crazy.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, that sucks.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm sorry. Yeah, it really. It just. It's not fun. I have a leak in my garage, and I was told that it was waterproofed and whatnot and had a contractor come, and they were like, it is not waterproofed. The people who lived there before me didn't waterproof a single thing because they lived there from 1995. I shouldn't tell other whatever. 95 to when I moved in, when the weather wasn't as rainy. So I think they were like, we don't need to waterproof anything. Yeah, but big old leaks, and it's fun. A year from today, who do you want to be? What version of yourself would you like to meet? Do you feel less anxious? Do you feel more like yourself? Maybe your relationship is stronger or the grief feels smaller. What if that thing you've been secretly worried about just took up less space in your mind? The right therapist can help you get there. Alma will help you find them. Alma has a directory of 20,000 therapists with different specialties, life experiences and identities, and 99% of them take insurance. You deserve to feel like the future version of yourself. A year from today isn't that far away. Get started now at hello, Alma.com/best friends. That's hello.com/b e s T F R I E N D as

[Sasheer Zamata]

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[Nicole Byer]

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[Sasheer Zamata]

I agree with that.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I mean, as soon as I moved in, like, pretty quickly I had to replace the roof.

[Nicole Byer]

It's crazy.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

You move in and you're like, I love this house. And it's like, hey, your roof is gonna kill you.

[Sasheer Zamata]

We have issues.

[Nicole Byer]

Hey, your pipes all need to be replaced. Your chimney, a thing that you've never thought of.

[Sasheer Zamata]

There's a crack in a valve and you're like, what?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It's wild.

[Nicole Byer]

And I just noticed there's a hole on a part of my roof and I have clay tiles.

[Sasheer Zamata]

So.

[Nicole Byer]

Clay tiles, I guess are fragile, but they look beautiful. So I need to get that repaired. It's never ending.

[Sasheer Zamata]

It really is never ending.

[Nicole Byer]

But also, it's a. There's worse things in the world.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's true.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I feel very fortunate that I have a house and a roof over my head. A house that I love.

[Nicole Byer]

Same, same, same, same. I. You were there. I cleaned out so much old clothing and stuff that, like, doesn't fit and whatnot. And I just noticed there's a good looking thrift store or vintage store across the street. And I was like, ooh, I gotta get in there. And then I was like, for what? Nicole? You don't.

[Sasheer Zamata]

You just got rid of stuff.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, but when there's room, I'm like, gotta fill the room. There's. There's a little gap on that bar. You gotta hang stuff up.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No, just spread it out.

[Nicole Byer]

I know, I know. It's sick

[Sasheer Zamata]

because also, your closet was packed. Like, packed to the brim. Let your Bra. Let your clothes breathe a little bit. Spread that out.

[Nicole Byer]

I know. And it was wild after you left. There was so much stuff in my closet that I was like, I've never seen this before. And it is wild whenever friends wear things I've given them. Sometimes it didn't happen with this because I've had that for a long time. And it just never fit the way I wanted it to. And I was like, I don't know if green's my color. Yeah. I went. It was a lot of back and forth and I was like, let it go. But things that I love that don't fit. Like, I gave Tess this really incredible purple jumpsuit with gold stars on it. And I just loved it. And I was like, I'll alter it. I'm not gonna. I'm not going to. That's above me. Because I'd have to find fabric, cut the seams. It was just too much for me to actually do and test. Wore it to dinner and I was like, it looks so good on you. And it did. It looks so good on her because it fucking fit her.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And I was glad that it has a life and it gets to be worn because it's so amazing. But I was like, it should have been me. It should have been me.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. That is hard.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Because I find such good stuff.

[Sasheer Zamata]

You do? Yeah. I gave a bunch of stuff to our friend Joyell in New York. And there was a period where she would wear all of it at the same time. And she had an afro and I did, too. And, like, there was like a moment where I saw her at a show

[Nicole Byer]

and I was like, whoa, this is crazy.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Am I standing over there?

[Nicole Byer]

Is that me? Am I now very tall? That's so funny.

[Sasheer Zamata]

That's really funny. Not all at the same time, please. I wonder.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Tess could probably be head to toe. Tess has so much of my stuff. I think she could be head to toe. And then I gave Tessa this little jumpsuit with flowers on it. Man, it looks so cute on her. And that was another one that I was like, it should have been me, but jumpsuits are hard. Thrifting a jumpsuit. Super, super hard. But I just found this amazing farm Rio jumpsuit.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Ooh.

[Nicole Byer]

I just. It, like, fell on my lap in depop. And it was like, under a hundred dollars. And I was like, well, I have to get it. I have to just chance it. It might not fit. But it might fit. I put it on. I was like, woo. She's snug as hell. So I bought A second one in a smaller size. And I am going to figure out because it fits at the waist, so I. And it fits. It fits everywhere. It's just slightly too small. And I think I'm going to be able to figure out how to cut that seam, take the other one, not cut on the seam, cut on the parallel to the seam, and then sew it. So I've created a new seam. Wish me luck.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Good luck, girl.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you. And it's already been altered because I found the original one, and it has sleeves, but the one I have doesn't have sleeves. And I was like, she's already been altered, and I'm gonna do more to it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And when you cut the other one to use it as a seam, you could maybe cut the top off, make it a little shirt or something.

[Nicole Byer]

Ooh, maybe I will do that.

[Sasheer Zamata]

She's got, like, a whole jumpsuit to use.

[Nicole Byer]

You're right. And it's like a patchworky jumpsuit. So, like, she's gonna. She's this new life that this jumpsuit's gonna get is gonna be good. She's gonna be so happy. Yeah. She's gonna say, wow. Wow. Should we answer questions?

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Sashira.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Nicole.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm a woman in my mid-30s and first friend breakup. Obviously, I've had friendships fizzle out or grow distant before, but this was different. I feel okay about how I handled my end of things, but am interested in your opinions. My family. I have a husband and a young teen kid, and I moved long distance within the US A little over a year ago. I made a friend by going to a book club who suggested I try Bumble BFF to meet more people. That's how I met this now former friend. Our first meetup was to go for a walk in a park. I got lost since I was new to the area and was late, but she was cool about it. The more we hung out, though, I realized she was really negative and judgy. I wasn't having fun with her. I didn't want to invite her to hang out with other friends I was making. I didn't have a reason to ghost her because she had never been mean to me, but she. And she even gave me a thoughtful birthday gift. I tried to do nice things for her in return, but more often than not, she would decline. And I wouldn't push the issue too much. She does a lot of flipping stuff on ebay, Facebook, marketplace, et cetera. And she had gotten a lot of stuff from helping a relative who was helping or she got a lot of stuff from helping a relative who was downsizing their home, including a bunch of equipment for Onstage audio production. My husband has worked over 10 years at a musical instrument store and then in parentheses yes, the big corporate one you're thinking of and my friend was often asking me to help him get her My friend was often asking me to get him to help her test up or test stuff or sell it to his job's used department. He had met her a few times and didn't like her for the same reasons I wasn't fond of her. He works really hard and mentally needs his time off to be spent on home responsibilities or leisure, so I wouldn't even ask him and I'd help her as best as I could with my own limited knowledge of the subject. I would discourage her from going to his job on his days off because I didn't want to add things he would need to catch up on because they were busy with customers while he was away. This past weekend we were going through this routine of her texting me to ask for my husband's help. After a while of me giving her different suggestions of how to deal with it that wouldn't take up his or his store's time, she made a bitchy comment about one of his hobbies saying he must be too busy to help a friend. I said she didn't have to be snippy about it and I was trying to help her while protecting my partner's peace of mind. She said she was looking for a ride or die friendship, but she realizes she she's all alone in this world. I said if there was a way I failed to be there for her that wasn't about my husband and her audio equipment. That I'm sorry and we could talk about it. She didn't reply for a couple days, so I texted that I'm sorry she's feeling isolated and like she can't depend on people, but based on the negative way she talks about everything and everyone, she might want to reconsider her expectations of relationships. That was a few days ago and as far as I know, that's the end of it. Anyway, sorry for the long story, but that's all the relevant details. Thanks for the pod and all your other entertaining delights. I shrieked with delight watching Long story short, when Kendra's hostage negotiator girlfriend had Sasheer's voice.

[Nicole Byer]

Wait, did she say yeah, Is there a question?

[Sasheer Zamata]

I guess how should she feel about

[Caller/Listener]

yeah, I think she just wanted to know your take on the friendship breakup oh, if she did the right thing.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

The last thing was that she said, like, your negative energy was it.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, she said. She said that she didn't have to be sniffy about it and she was trying about her husband and she was trying to help her while protecting her partner's peace of mind. She said she was looking for a ride or die friendship but realizes she's all alone in this world. I said if there's a way I'd failed to be there for her that wasn't a about my husband and her audio equipment, then I'm sorry and we could talk about it. She didn't reply, so I texted saying I'm sorry. She's feeling isolated and like she can't depend on people, but based on the negative way she talks about everything and everyone, she might want to reconsider her expectations of relationships. That was a few days ago and as far as I know, that's the end of it.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, I think it was handled pretty well.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, anybody who responds with there's nobody in the world for me is rather dramatic and not for me, it's a little dramatic.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. I don't know if text was the best way to communicate that last part, but also whatever.

[Nicole Byer]

I think protect your piece. Yeah. I think sometimes when you're like, this person is not only like asking a lot from me, but asking a lot from my partner.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Maybe we don't need to have a phone call or a sit down or nothing. Maybe we just text and you respond how you respond and I can just like keep distance.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Person sounds like a. I almost said a culture vulture, but I. I mean like a. Oh, an energy vamp.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Vampire. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And very like, there's a huge lack of self awareness and it's asking for too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's totally fine to like keep your distance and she'll either figure it out. She won't, but it's okay.

[Nicole Byer]

So.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay. This is called question for best DND Drama. Hi, Nicole and Sashir, first time writer, longtime fan, etc. Etc. Love y'.

[Sasheer Zamata]

All.

[Caller/Listener]

This question is about Dungeons and Dragons, but really it's about friendship. My partner and our friends have a DND group that's been running a campaign for a little over a year. One friend, let's call her best friend Betsy, has been annoying some members of the group. We love her a lot, but she can be a bit immature. I guess when we're scheduling sessions, she's always the first to say, that doesn't work I have work the next day or I'm tired or I need a day to myself, that kind of thing. All of us in the group have full time jobs. Some a lot harder than your, some a lot harder than hers. Just being real. But we make it work because we love playing together. It feels like Betsy's ready to cancel whenever at the slightest inconvenience. And more than that, during the games. When we do play, she's often distracted or doesn't understand the rules. So she's just doing the same thing every time and not contributing. It's clear she still hasn't learned the game even though we've had 10 plus sessions at this point. I get that it's complicated and it's not everyone's thing, but it feels like she's not even trying. The weird thing is when she talks about DND with other friends, she's always saying how much she loves it and how much it means to her. I feel like we need to talk to her to reset, but I'm worried she'll take this as us kicking her out or criticizing her. We just want to have fun during sessions and if she doesn't want to do this, it's bringing the group down. Any advice on how to approach this help?

[Nicole Byer]

That seems really funny.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

That's so deeply funny to be like, man, this does not get it. And then you're out with like other friends and she's like, that's my favorite thing in the world.

[Sasheer Zamata]

My guess is that Betsy's favorite thing is hanging with the friends but not playing the game.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Which is. Okay, maybe you can phrase it like that. Like, hey, like we all really are into this game and it seems like sometimes you're not into it that much because you're on your phone when we're doing it. You refuse to learn the rules. So like, maybe we can hang in a different capacity and the D and D heads can play without you.

[Nicole Byer]

Uh huh.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Or like, how do you feel? Are you really dedicated to doing the D and D stuff or would you rather us hang in a different capacity? Maybe give her a choice and see what she says and if she's like, yeah, I'd rather just do some. I'd just rather sit and watch TV with you guys or like be on our phones than play this long game, then hopefully she'll be honest about that.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm not super familiar with Dungeons and Dragons and their campaigns, but I'm like, can you play without Betsy or does Betsy have to always be there?

[Caller/Listener]

I'm not sure Either.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I do not know.

[Nicole Byer]

If Betsy doesn't always have to be there, I think it's okay to be like, hey, well, we're gonna play on Monday.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And we know that you can't make it, so, like, we'll just pause your character. I don't know. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I wonder if it's a continuing thing where you have to do it with the same every week. I don't know. I actually have no idea.

[Nicole Byer]

Maybe, since Betsy's always doing the same things. So the nice man in my life, him and his friends play poker. I had no idea how to play poker, and I read half of Poker for Dummies. Okay. I asked that nice man to give me poker lessons. So we would pretend that there was other people when it was just the two of us, and we would do the cards. I could see them all. And he would go, well, what would you do if this were your. So maybe you can say, hey, Betsy, you've been doing the same things in Dungeons and Dragons. D and D. Can I maybe give you, like, a quick little lesson on, like, all the other things you can do if it's important to you? But, like, if. If you just want to hang, we could figure that out, too. So maybe offer to teach. Like, maybe Betsy just doesn't know.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I know.

[Nicole Byer]

People tell me rules, and I go, like. And then that. That leaves.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah, I like that idea. Be like, are you interested in knowing other options and improving your gameplay?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And if she's like, no, then you're like, okay, well, cool. Betsy, we're trying to play this game.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, I think. I don't think it would hurt Betsy's feelings if you were like, hey, we're, like, all really super into this. And if you are super into it, I want to help you get better. I think that might be, like, caring and nice.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I think so, too. Yeah. I think there's been moments where. There have been moments where, um, like, I wanna do something, or you and I wanna do something. Someone wants to join. But, like, for example, you know, I like to thrift shop. And I think I told Tessa one time that we were gonna do that. And she was like, oh, I'll come. And I was like, we are going to shop. We are not hanging. We're not chatting. We'll probably barely talk to each other. We will be in different offices. We'll separate.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And she was like, oh, I don't want that, but I can get lunch with you after. And I was like, great.

[Nicole Byer]

That is very funny. Cause sometimes you do have to tell people. It is funny. I've had to tell friends that I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go thrifting. And they're like, oh, I'll come. And I'm like, well, this is pretty serious for me. I'm looking, and you'll be talking, and I'm not gonna be listening.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

We can regroup every, like, 20 minutes, but, like, I'm going for it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Exactly.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

This is serious to me.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. I think. Just explain it to Betsy.

[Caller/Listener]

I think.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. I don't. I don't think that's a mean thing to be like. Well, we're really serious about this. Yeah.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And I think as long as you make it clear, that's like, you're not saying you don't want to hang out with her, which it really. I really feel like that's what she wants.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

You're just saying this game that we love is important to us.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

And we want everyone else to feel that way, too.

[Nicole Byer]

And at that poker game, sometimes girlfriends will come who don't like playing, and they'll just hang out, and that might be an option.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she doesn't have to play the game.

[Nicole Byer]

She could, like, be there with her friends.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. Solved.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay, this one is called Am I overreacting?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Sasheer Zamata]

No.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Nicole and Sashir and everyone else involved in this lovely show. Some friends and I went out for drinks tonight. And since we are all busy adults, we'd had it on the books for a couple of weeks. Our one friend, who definitely knew about it and even insisted it be kind of early so she could go after work, texted today saying to say she couldn't make it. Not a big deal. Things happen. But then just now, I was on letterboxd and saw that she had gone to the movies with her married Polycule, and that's why she couldn't make it to drinks tonight. Am I overreacting, or is that shitty? Thanks. Love the show.

[Nicole Byer]

Her married polycule.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I. I mean, I guess it is shitty to feel, to be, like, aware that someone bailed on your hang to basically do another hang, but we don't know what's going on in the Polycule. No, there could be drama.

[Nicole Byer]

She could. Or that person could be trying to fix something.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Exactly. They could be like, all of them are like, you don't spend enough time with us. And so she's like, I gotta fix all my relationships right now.

[Nicole Byer]

Gotta head to the Polycule. Mm. I used to be offended when people chose to do, like, something else other than hang with me. But in my old age, I've learned, well, they're doing something that's important to them.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And it might actually have nothing to do with how they feel about me, my standing with them, or the fact that maybe they did want to hang out with me and they just needed to do this other thing. And I've been guilty of canceling day of. Because before, before I got an assistant to, like, help me with my schedule, I would double book myself all the time. And then I'd have to, like, make choices. Do I do this show? Do I go to this dinner? Like, what? Sometimes I triple book myself. So I think sometimes it's nicer to just like, accept it and go, well, I think that person still went to drinks with their other friends. That was a nice time.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I was gonna say that too. Like, it's possible this person over committed and didn't realize it or like forgot or who knows?

[Nicole Byer]

You know, maybe.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Maybe they did agree and know that this hang was on the books, but maybe they also agreed to this movie thing and forgot, like, who knows? And yeah, it's not a reflection of hopefully how they feel about this friend group. It's just they had to do it.

[Nicole Byer]

They had to get to the polycule. Yeah. But I also think it's okay to say, hey, I'm really disappointed that you didn't make it. Did they say they do this a lot? That they cancel?

[Caller/Listener]

No, but it's been on the books for a couple of weeks.

[Nicole Byer]

I see.

[Caller/Listener]

And she asked for it to be early so that she could make it, and then she canceled.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't think it's bad to be like, hey, I'm really disappointed we didn't make it for drinks.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And give him a little grace.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. Honestly, we're hearing that this person wanted it to be early makes me think that they did double book.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. They probably were like, oh, it could be early and then I'll make it to the movie and then maybe realize the cause. I've done that before. And I'm like, oh, the distance between these two things are actually much more than I thought. And I'm not gonna make it to that second thing or the first one. Yeah. I think there was trouble in the polycule.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And a polycule is more than three.

[Sasheer Zamata]

I think it's can be three or more than three. At least three probably right.

[Nicole Byer]

Three is a throuple, four is a polycule.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Oh, I don't know. I don't. I don't know the distinction.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know either.

[Caller/Listener]

It's Google's being confusing. It's undetermined.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Google's like, it's none of your business.

[Nicole Byer]

None of your business.

[Sasheer Zamata]

None of your business.

[Nicole Byer]

It's fun for them.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Yeah. It's their business, actually. They define it however they want.

[Nicole Byer]

Salt.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Salt.

[Nicole Byer]

All right, well, that's it. That's it.

[Sasheer Zamata]

If you have any questions or queries for us, you can call us or text us or leave a voice message at 323-238-6554.

[Nicole Byer]

And we have an email. Nicole and Sashir gmail.com. type away, talk. Ask us questions.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Goodbye.

[Nicole Byer]

Bye. Best Friends is a production of Headgum Studios.

[Sasheer Zamata]

Our producer is Ali Khan.

[Nicole Byer]

Our executive producer is Anya Konovskaya.

[Sasheer Zamata]

The show is edited, mixed and engineered by Rochelle Chen.

[Caller/Listener]

That was a Headgum podcast.