Sasheer's Hot Dog Shrine is Mostly From Nicole (w/ Harvey Guillén)

Summary

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Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata

Episode: "Sasheer's Hot Dog Shrine is Mostly From Nicole (w/ Harvey Guillén)"
Date: September 17, 2025
Guest: Harvey Guillén
Podcast: Headgum

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Overview

In this joyful, openhearted episode, Nicole and Sasheer welcome their friend and actor Harvey Guillén (What We Do in the Shadows) for a hilarious and honest conversation. The trio reminisces about their early performing days, struggles in entertainment, the complexity of true friendship, and the joy and drama of gift-giving (including the legend of Sasheer's hot dog shrine). Along the way, they reflect on industry gatekeeping, forming boundaries, and why some friendships last and others fade. The tone is lively, caring, and often laugh-out-loud funny.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Welcoming Harvey Guillén & Career Highlights

(00:02–02:00, 22:30–26:30)

• Nicole introduces Harvey with accolades, noting his historic Critic’s Choice nomination and work across TV and film.
• Harvey shares recent projects, from "What We Do in the Shadows" to new films and TV.
• The conversation quickly becomes personal and playful, with lots of mutual admiration.

“I haven't seen you with highlighted hair. This is lovely.”
— Nicole (01:33)

2. Audition Fails, Performing, and Learning the Hard Way

(02:01–21:00)

• All three trade stories about disastrous early auditions—from stapling (or not) their resumes, to wearing the wrong outfits, or literally drawing their own headshots.
• They reflect on how arts education often leaves out practical career advice.
• Teachers and directors can sometimes be cruel or play favorites, impacting students' confidence or opportunities.
• The group critiques the “pay your dues” culture in theater/academia and questions arbitrary traditions.
• The conversation is peppered with hilarious moments about crying in Forever 21 and failed dance auditions.

“They also don't tell you that an audition is different than a table read. That is different than the job.”
— Nicole (07:40)

“You want me to be a butcher? What's your plan B?”
— Harvey (50:31)

3. Friendship Tiers, Cake Metaphors & Keeping It Real

(22:30–32:00)

• Harvey introduces his "tiered cake" friendship analogy—top tiers for best friends and partners, wider for acquaintances, and the “crumbs” on the plate for former friends.
• Both hosts and guest agree about the value of friends who aren't in the industry for keeping you grounded.
• Nicole and Sasheer recall moments of celebrating each other's career wins from the start.
• There’s an ongoing playful tug-of-war about who belongs on what friendship tier.

“Friendships are like... a wedding cake. The top is your partner or best friend, then close friends, then acquaintances, and at the bottom—the crumbs.”
— Harvey (23:09)

4. Showbiz, Authenticity & Persistence

(32:00–46:00)

• Harvey discusses how being persistent and authentic (despite Hollywood or teachers trying to mold him) helped him book unexpected roles.
• Nicole and Harvey reflect on how others’ skepticism (from family to counselors) can be overcome with steadfastness.
• The narrative includes how Harvey’s work with designer Christian Siriano helped spark a new, more inclusive men’s line (and led to entire wedding outfits inspired by his Oscar look).

“Each of us is our own mold. That’s why you stand out. That’s why you are a star.”
— Harvey (48:07)

“For the longest time, no one would dress me... Clothes should be for everyone, not just a size 0.”
— Harvey (41:30)

5. The Hot Dog Shrine Saga & The Gift-Giving Dynamic

(62:28–66:03)

• Nicole buys Sasheer a series of hot dog-themed gifts (including a dedicated toaster), which Sasheer doesn't want in her home.
• The friends describe a "shrine" of hot dog paraphernalia in Sasheer's place—mostly from Nicole.
• The two lovingly navigate how to set boundaries on gifts, especially those that don't fit someone’s taste or lifestyle.
• Harvey shares his own experiences with giving and receiving thoughtful gestures among friends.

“You have a hot dog shrine in your house that's comprised of gifts that Nicole has given you. It's mostly from Nicole.”
— Sasheer (63:56)

“If you’re trying to put this cake together with crumbs, they’re not cohesive... it’s a crumb cake, and it’s gonna fall apart.”
— Harvey (55:43)

6. Friendship Boundaries: Letting Go of “Crumb” Friends

(53:34–59:24)

• Honest discussion about ending friendships when someone becomes toxic, distrustful, or simply drains your energy.
• Harvey notes the shift from trying to save every relationship to focusing on those who “stabilize his cake.”
• Both hosts share anecdotes about reconnecting with people only to confirm why they fell out.

“You forget sometimes, when people miss you and you don't miss them—that means someone was giving more to this friendship.”
— Harvey (56:45)

7. Baseball, Dodgers, and Finding Joy in the Little Things

(66:56–71:07)

• Nicole shares her first Dodgers game and jokes about not understanding baseball strategy ("Why are they hitting the ball so far? Bumpy!").
• Harvey describes the thrill of comeback wins and the energy of the stadium.
• Banter ensues about sweepers, ball retrievers, and the universal fun of live sports.

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• On school and arts training:
  "No one talks about those moments... all those cry moments in a Forever 21." — Sasheer (07:11)
• On authenticity:
  "I don’t need to fit into a mold, ‘cause each and every one of us is our own mold." — Harvey (48:07)
• On persistence:
  "Success is my only option. Failure is not." — Harvey (46:30)
• On gift-giving:
  "You can’t keep accepting hot dog gifts from me. This is not a hot dog house." — Sasheer (63:36)
• On friendship boundaries:
  "Just focus on the tier that's fixed, that's stable, that's strong. Focus on that." — Harvey (55:49)
• The cake metaphor:
  "If you’re trying to put this cake together with crumbs, it’s a crumb cake, and it’s just gonna fall apart." — Harvey (55:44)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:02 – Nicole introduces Harvey and jumps right into candid friendship
• 02:00–14:00 – Audition disasters, formative failures, and harsh teachers
• 22:30–32:00 – Tiered cake metaphor, true friends vs. acquaintances
• 41:30–43:30 – Harvey’s push for size-inclusion in red carpet fashion
• 46:01–51:00 – On not having a plan B, battling doubts, and choosing your own path
• 53:34–56:11 – Cutting off toxic friends and moving on from “crumbs”
• 62:28–66:03 – The Hot Dog Shrine: Nicole's gifts, Sasheer's boundaries
• 66:56–71:07 – Dodgers game, the simple joy of live sports

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Tone & Style

The episode is a loving, fast-paced mix of candor, comic timing, and deep friendship. The hosts and guest riff constantly, trade self-deprecating jokes, and keep the atmosphere warm—even when talking about disappointments or hurt. Harvey, Nicole, and Sasheer’s camaraderie is infectious, making listeners feel like part of a close-knit group.

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For New Listeners

This episode encapsulates what Best Friends does best: celebrates honest, supportive friendship, doesn't shy from life’s awkward stumbles, and never takes itself too seriously. Come for the laughs, stay for the real talk—and maybe don’t buy your friend a hot dog toaster (unless you’re really sure they want it).

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Find Harvey Guillén on Instagram/Twitter @harveyguillen
Watch for his upcoming projects, including work with Christian Siriano.

Transcript

[A]

This is a Headgum podcast. Hi, Nicole. We have a guest. We have a guest. We have one of our good friends, Harvey Guillen, who's best known for six seasons of the critically acclaimed, award nominated FX comedy series what We do in the Shadows. And his portrayal has earned five Critic Choice Award nominations for Best Supporting Actor and made history by becoming the first queer Latinx actor to be nominated in this category. Damn, I didn't know that. He's also won two Imogen Awards for his work. The sixth and final season of the series premiered on October 20th. On October 2024. Recently, do you want to do it? Yes. Recently I heard Harvey starred in the Warner Brothers sci fi thriller Companion. You're so funny. In with a bunch of other people. Harvey can be seen in Mike Flanagan's adaptation of Stephen King's the Life of Chuck and Disney Plus's Alexander and the Terrible. No. And the Terrible. Yep. Alexander and the Terrible. Horrible. No good. Very bad road trip. Whoa. Is that a sequel to his Bad Day?

[B]

Yeah, it's a whole new family.

[A]

A whole new family. Oh, Lord. That is bad and terrible. Harvey, what went wrong? Thank you for being here. That's right.

[B]

Here, friends. That was a nice intro.

[A]

Listen, I haven't seen you with highlighted hair. This is lovely.

[B]

You like it?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. It was for a roll, and then I was like, that's your word. Like, we'll put your hair. No, no, no.

[A]

Let's see. I like it. It really brightens you up.

[B]

Does it?

[A]

Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, it's nice. I like the whole ensemble.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going for this like 70s vibe now.

[A]

I like it. It's cute.

[B]

Okay, I'll do it.

[A]

I'll do it. I'll commit. I'll commit. Keep doing it. All right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you just get back in town? I feel like you're in and out of town.

[B]

Yeah, I just flew in two days ago. I was in Vegas celebrating my friend's birthday. And then before that I was in New York. I was shooting a pilot. And then before that, I, I, I've been away every weekend. I was. Before that I was in New York, Chicago, Florida, Utah. And then this is my first weekend back to la.

[A]

Wow, Diva.

[B]

I never get to see you.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I was supposed to go to a Fourth of July party, remember? It was a little.

[A]

But then you were having your own.

[B]

I know. I was trying to mix. I was trying to go half and half and I even told my friends. I was like, I think I'm gonna go. Like, it's your party. You can't leave.

[A]

Yeah. You can't just leave.

[B]

And you go. It's like, but I want to go see Nicole. I was like, well, then make a choice.

[A]

I was like, either have a party or don't. And you're like, come to the party. There's fruit. And I was like, I can't leave my party. There's fruit. Very enticing. Truly. What Harvey said, there's fruit. Happy Fourth. And I was like, I do love fruit.

[B]

What I did was like, I wanted to hire street vendors because, like, what's going on in with ice and everything? I was like, let's make it where they can come. They don't feel like they're gonna be, you know, chased after or something. So it was a taco stand, a fruit vendor, churros. Like, you name it.

[A]

Oh, that's wonderful. And you love a churro. That's how I say it. A churro.

[B]

That's what I should have said.

[A]

There's churros. In America, we say churros. Are you fluent in Spanish?

[B]

See?

[A]

Oh, yoquito mucho. Your printo video. I've been trying to watch videos.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Trying to learn some videos.

[B]

I see, see? And I was talking about Japanese. I speak a little Japanese. I was going to practice my Japanese on you as well.

[A]

Konichiwa, Harvey.

[B]

This. Yoroshku.

[A]

What did you say?

[B]

My name is Harvey. Nice to meet you.

[A]

That's great. What's Harvey in Japanese?

[B]

Harry? This. Like, if you say watashiwa, I am Harvey.

[A]

This.

[B]

That's like. You put this at the end. So if you say Nicole, you say watashi. What Nicole describes.

[A]

Wow, you are a man of the world.

[B]

No, I just. I lived there for, like, 13 months, so I learned Japanese.

[A]

Oh, that's great. Wait, really?

[B]

Yeah, it was my first gig out of school.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

When I was at. We won't Even name. We went to the same school. We weren't even scared.

[A]

We won't say that name.

[B]

The name of that school won't, because they'll use this.

[A]

They really will. They really, really will.

[B]

Both of them. Both of them. I wasn't supposed to audition during school, and I was taking, like, auditions out of Backstage west, and I was like, I want to see if I'm good enough to audition. And I booked it. I booked a job in Japan, and I went to the dean, and basically I was like, I booked it. Like, turn it down. And I was like, what? But I booked.

[A]

You haven't finished your education.

[B]

We can't use You, I mean, you can't use you. I mean. And I was like, I think the whole point of taking this school is to like get a job. And it looks like I got a job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I left.

[A]

Leaving?

[B]

Yeah. So I'm leaving, you know, arigato. And I'm just like, I left and I was living in Japan for 13 months.

[A]

What was the job?

[B]

I was doing a theme park there. I was doing Sesame Street Live, Blues Brothers and Wicked.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

So at a theme park? Yeah.

[A]

I actually auditioned for Tokyo Disney and that was my plan after I graduated college because I had worked at Disney World in Florida during college. I did the college program and I was like, I'm already in the family.

[B]

Yeah, it's easy.

[A]

They know me, so. They know me. So I. They had like a position for a big band jazz singer for their Tokyo Disney show. I had never sung jazz, never worked with a big band.

[B]

I'm in.

[A]

But I was like, this is me. This is my life. This is gonna be me. This is who I am. And I was going to school in Virginia, took a train to New York because the audition was in New York at Ripley Grier Studios. And I had. This is my first time out auditioning people. Like, I mean, there's like so many green mistakes that I made. Like my headshot was like not stapled to my resume. Oh no. Two papers. Two pieces of paper, different sizes. Oh, Lord. I think mine was black and white.

[B]

No. Oh no.

[A]

And there was like, you're hired. And there was a singing portion and a dancing portion. But I prepared for the dancing portion. So I'm like in yoga pants and like a tank top. And everyone's like dressed in like a suits and a dress, skirts, heels. Because they were like ready to sing. Cuz he sing first. And if they like you dancing, he.

[B]

Jumped and said, I'll be ready for.

[A]

I'm ready. I know.

[B]

I already know I'm going to come back.

[A]

So I had to sing in my yoga outfit and I walked in, I'm like, konichiwa. And they were like, oh, all right, great.

[B]

You are damn. Sayonara.

[A]

And I finished my song and I think I sang Open Arms by Journey. And they were like, all right, thank you. I was like, oh, oh, that's. Oh, that's it, that's it. I go, you want to me you name me for the next part? Do you want me to two step a box something? Sobbing in a forever 21 changing my clothes to go back on the train.

[B]

No one talks about those moments too. All Those cry moments in a forever 21 yeah the mom I've broken into.

[A]

Forever Just broken down in a forever 21 pride yeah.

[B]

No one talks about that. Because you don't know. No one tells you how to do these things.

[A]

Oh, no. I had no idea. And I, yeah, obviously didn't get the job.

[B]

I mean, sometimes I do at some schools, but they're like, sometimes you leave school and you're like, you never told me how to get an agent. You never told me how to get a job. You literally went and said, no, that's not a box step. This is a box step. And I was like, okay, now where do I do the box step? I don't know.

[A]

We don't know. They also don't tell you that an audition is different than a table read. That is different than the job.

[B]

Right. No one tells you because you have.

[A]

To be able to do all three things and they are all wildly different.

[B]

And for stage and camera.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Totally different.

[A]

Yes. I had an audition at Ripley, Ripley Greer. It was for the touring company of Greece. I cannot sing. And I said, I want to be Rizzo's part. Yeah, Rizzo in Greece. And I did not bring sheet music with me. And the piano player was, like, playing, like, a jaunty little tune as I was like, I'm going to sing. I can't remember. Oh, Rockin Robin and Tweet Tweet, Tweet, Tweet, Tweet, Tweet, tweet, Tweet. And they're like, where's your sheet music? And I was like, I don't have sheet music. And then this man played angry chords and went, what do you sing along with? What is music made of? Sheet music.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then the producers were like. Or whoever. The casting director was like, oh, we'll just let you sing. And then I sang poorly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then had to freak out in a Foot Locker.

[B]

I feel like you were set up because I had this horrible drama teacher in high school who, like, was like, we should audition for. The whole class should go audition for this musical at the San Gabriel Civic Auditorium. And we're like, what do we need? Like, nothing. Just show up. And it was, like, set up for failure. The night before, he tells us, oh, did you guys get your headshots? And we're like, what's a headshot? And he was like, it's okay. Just draw it. These high school students draw their faces. Like, it'll stand out. And I was like, is this what happens?

[A]

They try to embarrass you.

[B]

He did. He was very much like, this man was a terrible, terrible person. He was spending a lot of time with the female students. No. And it was very terrible. But he was like, you should draw yourself. And we're like, okay. I was the only one who did it. And so I showed up to this audition for Annie. Not even the right audition. Majority is female. Girl.

[A]

Yes. Who would you play in Annie?

[B]

I played annie as a 16 year old boy. And I show up and I'm like, here you go. And they're like, oh, wow, that's good, Harvey.

[A]

That is so funny and so vile.

[B]

That, like, he set me up. And then, like, right before I went in, I was like, are you sure? He's like, yep, I'm sure. And his smirk on his face. I was like, wow, he's grinning more than evil. He usually does.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

And I went in and I did the whole thing and no sheet music. I showed up and I was like, sheet music. They're like, what are you singing? And they go, that's okay. Why don't you sing Happy Birthday? Why don't you sing Happy Birthday? He should sing Happy Birthday.

[A]

He should sing Happy Birthday. This is wild.

[B]

Oh, wow. They're really liking me. And I'm like, happy Birthday to.

[A]

Aw.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

And I walked out. I'm like, I think it went well.

[A]

I think I nailed it. I think I'm gonna be Daddy Warbugs.

[B]

I think I'm in Daddy or Boondi, though.

[A]

I think I got it.

[B]

Why not? I think I'm Annie Ann. And if you know me, you know that I love Dianette's. I fell in love with musical theater. Watch this. I want to be a part of it. Not knowing there was nothing I could play in it. I walked out and he was there like, how'd you do? And I was like, I think it went okay. They let me sing Happy Birthday, blah, blah. And it was like, excellent.

[A]

He just lets me sing Happy Birthday. He's like, I scarred.

[B]

I literally put it all together. And I was like, you're a bad man. Evil, evil man. And then it's like, well, you gotta learn somehow. I was like, but you're my teacher.

[A]

You have to learn somehow. Teach me.

[B]

And you set me up for failure. You wanted me to fall on my face. And then I was. I knew. Then I was like, you can't trust him.

[A]

No.

[B]

And they did not. But also, you know, looking back, I was like, wow. My first audition, no headshot, no music, no sheet music. And then they were nice enough to let me, like, go through with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Funny part is that one of the choreographers was John Vaughn, who later on taught it at college that remembered.

[A]

Oh, gosh.

[B]

That I was like, I don't remember. You might. I remember. And I was like, so who put you up to that? And I was like, well, I got stories.

[A]

I got a story. It was this teacher.

[B]

I can't believe it. To this day. I drew my face crayon with, like.

[A]

A pencil with crayons. I'm obsessed. That is truly so funny. I had another audition after that audition. It was for a play. And I went to the audition. I had a monologue from Neil Abute's Fat Pig. And I walked in and the casting director was so young looking. And I was like, wow, you look young. How'd you get this job? That's not what you say to anybody. And she was turned off immediately. And I said a couple more things that turned her off even more. And she's like, how about you just do your monologue? Oh. And I said, okay. And then I did it and like, welled up with tears. It was really good. And she went, that was actually very good, minus everything you did beforehand.

[B]

Oh, she said that, huh?

[A]

And she was like, just a tip. Don't talk. And I was like, oh, God.

[B]

But it was actually was a backhanded compliment because he did a really good job. But then, now no one told me not to say those things.

[A]

Don't, don't talk. And then I did not audition for a very long time. I said, I'm gonna work at Lane Bryant for the rest of my life.

[B]

No one talks about these things. I'm glad they were talking about this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's like a therapy session.

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

Let's all draw our faces.

[A]

Sing Happy.

[B]

Birthday Happy birthday to you. Why did you sing it like Marilyn Monroe?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, 16 years. Happy birthday.

[A]

Thank you, thank you.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Oh, if only that teacher could see you now. He probably does.

[B]

He probably does.

[A]

Everywhere.

[B]

Everywhere.

[A]

I had a show choir teacher who didn't like me and would, like, have it out for me. Like, I. I tried to go out for the president. Like, you can be a co president of the group and the choir. Of the choir. Yeah. And I, you know, was a good student. Like, the community liked me. Everyone's like, yeah, that makes sense. We're gonna vote for you. And usually we vote in person. Put it in a bucket. And she counts off the votes and we all. And that's the Person who, like, in front of everyone. In front of everyone. The year I ran was the first year. It was a closed count. Wow. No recount. Yeah. She's, like, out of the room. She counted it by herself because she.

[B]

Saw the numbers were already rolling in.

[A]

And she was like, it goes to somebody else. And I was like, that's so strange.

[B]

And she's like, I would have gone to the middle and be like, everyone, hands up if you want to.

[A]

Hands up if you vote. Hands up for me right now or show me the count. Show me the count. But she also was like, because this person will be working closely with me, I also get a final vote. A final vote. And she didn't want to work with me.

[B]

Whoa. People don't understand. There's those relationships in high school that people are like, my teacher hated me. Oh, you're just. Exactly. Yeah.

[A]

But it's like, no, my teacher hated me. Yeah.

[B]

And then you. You're not fearful of the bully at school. You're fearful of the teacher at school. And, like, anything you do will be like, they'll take it. Like, not good enough. It's the same. I copied off her page, and she got an A.

[A]

And I got an A. I got an F, and I copied off, and you didn't catch me. This is a test. Senior year, we did Godspell, and the musical director was this blonde woman, homely looking. And she. And I told her. And I told her to her face, I said, bitch, you look homely. But she didn't like me. She didn't like that I was not a singer, and I had gotten turned back o man in Godspell. And because it was my senior year, I was funny and well liked within the drama group. And I remember our first rehearsal, I was like, singing and, like, put, like, a character spin on it. And she was like, that's not it. Don't do that. You're not singing the notes. You're not. And I was like, oh. So she.

[B]

And I'm selling the character.

[A]

And then on that tape, Ooh, baby, she is selling that character. I sat on many daddy's laps Sang turn back, old man with a feather boa in hindsight, she should have stopped me.

[B]

She should have stopped.

[A]

That's what she should have stopped. You made a point.

[B]

You made a good point.

[A]

But I said, I'm gonna do me. You could police me during rehearsals, but not during the performance. And I crushed.

[B]

See? And you're a senior. You were like, people forget. Like, you worked. You pay your dues.

[A]

Yes, I Paid my dues.

[B]

Also after that school, I went to another school where they didn't give you a lead role until your, like, third or fourth year or your last year, as a rule. As a rule. And so I was a freshman auditioning for something, and the kid who'd been there for three years, we were going in front of everyone voting again. I do my. My bit, like, my monologue. He does the exact same monologue, people laughing hysterically. I was like, I got this in the bag. And at the end, it goes to him. And I was like. And even he was like, it goes to me.

[A]

I did that.

[B]

Yeah, I voted for him. And I looked at everyone and everyone was like, what? And I was like, what kind of BS is this? And they used to assign dressing rooms. Like, you know, we had a Christmas show that ran for, like, 22 performances in December, so they used to assign the dressing rooms, but there wasn't enough spaces for everyone. And so if you were a senior, you got first pick, second, whatever, whatever. And since I was a freshman, there was no space for me. I had to get ready in the shower. And so my dressing room was. I put my coat hanger on the shower head because none of these boys showered after show. They were all just disgusting. And so my dressing room was the shower in the bathroom. So kids would just walk by to urinate and. And then come back. And I was just in the shower, like, dressing room. And then one time the director came in and was peeing and he was just. I could just hear the trickle. And he goes, you know, if you just stay with us, you are going to get a lead.

[A]

Just don't do your pillow. Don't do that.

[B]

And I was, like, getting ready. And he was just silent, like. And he's like, you know, if you stay with the program, you will get a lead. I know it doesn't seem like it right now, but you will get a lead. And I was just like, thank you for those words.

[A]

Thank you for those words of encouragement. That feels like a scene out of a movie where it's, like, to show how, like, unlike the character, like, get ready in the shower.

[B]

Exactly. And he knew that was the rule. So they weren't like, hazing me or anything. But that was tradition. And he knew that there was always a kid in there and it happened to be me because I came late to the program. I was freshman. And he knew the song was in there. It was me. And I think he was a nice teacher. And he hated the fact that I was being put through These like, you know, because I was a freshman and he knew that the talent was there, but he couldn't give me until later. And I was like, that makes no sense. In the real world, no one cares.

[A]

No one gives a shit.

[B]

No one gives a shit. If you're the best person for the.

[A]

Job, you get a job.

[B]

And in this madeup world of academia, people like you pay your dues and.

[A]

Other where that never happens.

[B]

In the real world, no high school.

[A]

Such horeshit. They tried to keep me there. They said, lock the doors. They tried. They tried to keep moving. They did.

[B]

With accusations of grades. Attendance.

[A]

Yes, attendance. Nobody told me if you missed missed X amount of days, you don't graduate. So I had missed too many days. And they, I think it was like 14 days.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

That feels like. That's not too many. That's two weeks.

[B]

That's a winter break, right?

[A]

Yeah. But then they called me down to the office and they're like, you're not graduating. And I said, I will be graduating. You will let me out of here. You cannot keep me here. And then miss Ernst, the lovely lady who worked in the office, she was like, okay. I like screamed or not screamed. I just argued enough that she was like, fine, I'll just erase seven of those days. You literally just can't miss any more school.

[B]

So that was nice of her.

[A]

It was very, very kind of her. So I would continue to cut class, but I would pop in and be like, I am here.

[B]

Ah, I'm here.

[A]

But I won't stay. I won't stay. And I remember Ms. DeMarco, my senior year would be like, can you have to? And I'm like, no, I'm here. I don't want to read Beowulf. I will be back at some point.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm here though.

[A]

And I'm here so you can't see me. You cannot mark me.

[B]

And you graduated.

[A]

I did. Wow. I sure did.

[B]

There you go. School was crazy.

[A]

It's wild. Let's take a break. We're working on segues and transitions.

[B]

That was perfect.

[A]

Thank you so much. Let's take a break. Let's go. Ladies.

[B]

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[B]

I have a best friend. I have several best friends. That's weird to say. My best friends have been my friends since third grade. So I have like, Tyler Bowie, who was my friend since third grade. Romana Macedo, who is my friend since third grade and now does my makeup for my avenge.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Romy. And then Adriana Ortega, who's my other best friend. But I also have really close. I always think friendships are like, who's at your. Like a wedding cake, like, at the top? It's usually like you and your partner, right? And usually your partner's supposed to be like your best friend. And that sometimes is true. I hope that sometimes that's all the time. It's true. True. But sometimes they're not, you know, but sometimes you're like, I could Be a partner with you. But I also need my own.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like bestie. And then after that, the cake tier, there's a little bit of a medium cake so you can have more really good friends, but there's not a lot of space in those groups. So there's. You're very selective of who's in that tier. And as it's your widens in the bottom, you can have acquaintances, you know, and then you could have like a distance from, you know, people that you're like, I see them once every five years or something. But the tier of, of cake, of friendship, the taller it is, like that's like that, the more close you are.

[A]

You know, I like that's a great analogy. It is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it? It also feels like that's what the cake should represent. Like, here's my community.

[B]

Yeah. It starts off with this and this is the person I'm spending the rest of my life with. And then everything is a family friendship and it grows and grows.

[A]

At your wedding, you spent a hundred thousand dollars on figurines of everybody in your life. And if you have little figurines, somebody.

[B]

Shows the wedding, he's like, I don't see myself.

[A]

I don't see myself. And it's like, oh well, you were invited.

[B]

So. But yeah, I do have really good friends. They don't do anything with the industry, which is great. So I always joke like I'll be walking with Romy or somebody and somebody comes up for an autograph and she couldn't be faced. She's like, we have to go, let's go. Like we have to go to a movie or something. She doesn't like nothing. I could come home with an Oscar and they'd be like, oh, that's cool. Are we getting tired or whatever. Like it has a thing that's, you know, because, you know, working in the industry, sometimes people become friends for the wrong reasons and then start dating you for the wrong reasons. I feel like in the last couple of years I've gotten people who out of the woodwork, been like, we should go out for drinks. And it's like, I think we talked like five years ago and you were not interested. And it's like, uh huh. Okay. Yeah, so there's that like level of now being alert for friendships and stuff.

[A]

Yeah, I have some friends who aren't in the industry and they're exactly like your friends where they're just like, you're just Nicole. Yeah, sure, I'll take a picture for this person. But like it's Ultimately, it's just like, my friend Evan, he'll take a picture for me, and then as, like, we walk away, he's like, do you remember when you fell down in the middle of the street?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you were drunk. I'm like, yeah.

[B]

You'll have to be more specific.

[A]

He's like. He's just so funny that these people don't know that part of you, but, like, you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Or something. They want to get it out of the way. They're like, I'll take it. Come on, let's go. Because they want to move it along. Because also, you're spending time with them. I know. Like, when I'm with my family, like, my sister's really good about, like, we don't get a lot of time with my family as it is. Cause it's a big family. And to corny everyone's schedule. So we are together, and it's like we're at Disneyland or something. Someone comes to picture, she'll be the ones, like, he's with his family, and.

[A]

She'Ll mean it, which is great. I love your sister.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She is a boss.

[B]

Yeah. You met her.

[A]

She's great. I love her. But I love being friends with Sasheer because we started at the same time and have been able to, like, celebrate wins. I remember one of the first jobs you booked was a Verizon commercial. And I remember you told me I was on a bus, and I was like, wow, my friend's gonna be rising. And I was like, if everybody on this bus could just know the talent that's in this phone that texted me. I was so elated.

[B]

The driver, keep a downside.

[A]

No talking.

[B]

No talking. No cheering for your friend. No cheering for your friends.

[A]

I use C. Mo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't give a shit about Verizon.

[B]

Oh, my God. But it's kind of fun to be, like, you know, you start off on the same level, and friends and, like, you cheer on with each other. I feel like those friends that cheer you on, like, I think we met on a set.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, but when you meet someone that you like, we get each other, and you're like, I like it. And so, sure. We met also as well, like, you know, through friends and, like, we're just like, when I meet good people, it's always nice to be like, oh, we're gonna. We're gonna talk. This is gonna be like a.

[A]

About.

[B]

Hi. Like, Hollywood friend. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, yeah.

[B]

Like, and then so. So next time you see each other, how you been. I went to you catch up on the things that happened between the last time you saw each other as opposed to those people in the industry. You're like, how you going? Good. Good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't go further than that. It's like, you good? Good.

[A]

Yeah. I remember when I first met you, I was like, boy, oh, boy, you are, hubba. Delightful. I think, like one of our first conversations, I was like, you want to know what production did? And you were like, I want to know what production did. And I was like, immediately talking shit. It was delightful. And then on one of the. We shot this movie, I guess, three years ago at this point.

[B]

We shot this movie in like a span of like a month. And it was out in a month and a half. It was during the summer. It needed to be out on film in. In the. In on TV by the 1st of October. And we wrapped August 1st.

[A]

Yes. With lots of COVID scares. But the last one of the last days we shot, you were like, red Lobster's near. Should we order Red Lobster? And we ordered $200 worth of red Lobster.

[B]

But also, I was joking, because Red Lobster was not. We were shooting at the Disney farm.

[A]

In the middle of nowhere.

[B]

And the road ended in a field, like, where it says, you are here, we are not. And so I was like, red Lobster. We showed over Lobster. And the poor Red Lobster guy driving in a dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Cause I just put a drop, whatever, and a pin. And he's like. And it's like circles, like, spinning in circles on the things. Like, he's here, but he doesn't know where he's going. And the guy's, like, spinning. And then finally he finds us. He finds these trailers in the middle of the woods.

[A]

Oh, I'm gonna get murdered.

[B]

And he shows up and his car's covered in dust. Cause he's gone through, like, a dirt road. And he goes, hey, for Harvey.

[A]

And we were like, red Luster. Red, Lusty. Red Luster.

[B]

And then we. There was biscuits for everyone. We were throwing biscuits to the crew. Because at that point, I think we didn't like what the food was being. No. And at that point, we're like, we don't have to.

[A]

We don't have to eat this. You can order it.

[B]

And then we order a lobster. And it was a feast of Shrimp Snatchatory.

[A]

I ate so much shrimp.

[B]

So much shrimp.

[A]

And then it. Then my costume was a flannel shirt, heavy jeans, and Doc Martin boots. And then I had, like, claws and claws. And a Tail attached to me. And then I was like, full of shrimp. And I was like, oh, it's so hot. Oh, no.

[B]

It was summer. Hottest day in the Valley.

[A]

So I don't like.

[B]

And her nails are like, well, at least pat your head. I can't. Your nails were, like, so long. Budget cuts. They didn't get the ones that were clipped off. They were like. This was. Had to be glued on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She couldn't, like, like, unbutton her shirt. She couldn't even fix her hair. She couldn't do her makeup. She poke her eye out, she'd be like this.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And you couldn't even tie your shoe. Like, it was just like.

[A]

Yeah. People had to, like, just help me. So I would just, like, sit. And people like, do you need things? And I'm like, no.

[B]

I could tell when she had it because usually Nicole, you know, being who she has a personality is just, like, lovely and whatnot. But if she goes silent for too long and doesn't have a remark or even a joke or a laughter, and she's like, this. And I was like, you good? And she's all. She looked like. Just looked. A side look. And I was like, leave her alone. And just put vents on her. Like, it was just, like, so hot. But we made it.

[A]

We did.

[B]

Yeah. That actually was a fun. The director was great.

[A]

The director was great. Laura Murphy.

[B]

Yeah. And then the cast was really good.

[A]

It was really fun.

[B]

It was really fun.

[A]

And then watching it, I was like, oh, damn. This came together.

[B]

Well, they. They better. They had to whip it up in four weeks and have it out on tv.

[A]

So wild.

[B]

I've never done a movie that quick.

[A]

Me either.

[B]

Yeah. That was a return. Kathy Griffin's first return to.

[A]

Yep, yep, yep.

[B]

Yeah, a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's how we met. And then. Yeah, we've been friends ever since.

[A]

Yeah, I like that. What tier am I on the cake?

[B]

You're a pretty high tier.

[A]

Thank you. I think you're a pretty high tier for me, too. It's.

[B]

For me, it's like, good people. So I have, like, my, you know, and then I have, like, my school friends and the tier of, like, people that I like to interact with, like, normally. And then after that, the tier gets pretty big. So those are the people that I'm like. Like, it's my cousin's friend. You know what I mean? So the two top tiers are the ones that, like, I kind of circle around, and that's the ones that I always circle and, you know, come to the 4th of July party.

[A]

Like, those are the groups. Come for fruit.

[B]

Come for fruit. And then after that. Because I always think that, you know, there's no need to. I don't like having enemies. You know, I don't. Not because, you know, oh, my God. But I think it takes more energy to be mad at someone all the time.

[A]

That's what my mom used to say. She said it took more energy to frown than it does to smile. And if you really think about it, if you frown for enough time, you're like, I'm exhausted. But if you just smile, it.

[B]

It makes it better. Yeah. And so I don't like that Even when the world or, like, you know, gives you a reason to have an enemy, I'm just like, I want to choose to not and be cool with it. You're not the top of the tier, that's for sure. No, but you're definitely not, you know, the top three layers. But you're. If I know you just keep it civil. You're not a friend, but you're definitely like, you know, the crumbs.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Of the cake.

[A]

You're on the plate.

[B]

I know you. I don't hate. Still. You're just crumbs.

[A]

You're just crumbs. That is such a funny insult. You know what you are? You're crumbs. Like, wow, crumbs to me.

[B]

You're crumming.

[A]

You're crumbs to me, you crummy.

[B]

Oh, my God. How did you get in my room?

[A]

I have a question.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when you were working at the theme park in Tokyo.

[B]

Osaka.

[A]

Osaka. Sorry, Osaka. Is that where your love of, like, Disney came from? Because you love Disney?

[B]

No, I love Disney because I was born in Orange county. And so, like, from. From a very young age, from my apartment, we lived on the third floor. I could see the fireworks every night. But we couldn't afford to go to Disney. So I remember being little and my dream was to go to Disney. I felt like it was aspirational, like the kids on tv and remember, like, there was around the time where, like, tgi, thank God, it's Friday lineup on abc, where every single family on those shows went to Disneyland because it was in their contract, their whole abc. And so they were like, you have to promote. It's cross promoting the parks. And I thought, are we the only family that doesn't go to Disney?

[A]

Even on tv, Family Matters went to Disney.

[B]

Like, step by step. Step, Full house. They all went to Disney. And I was like, everyone goes to Disney. But I Can only see Disney through tv. And so, like, and through my window, exit the fireworks. And so I always wanted to go. And then when I was actually old enough to go and my mom and dad took me as a surprise, I would nag them. They finally took me when I was, like, six. And that was the one time I went and I did not go. So expensive to go to Disneyland. I did not go until I was in elementary school. I was 11 years old. And I won a contest to go to Disneyland. And the only reason I entered the contest was to go to Disneyland. They're like, two tickets to Disneyland. The top ball be. I'll do it. And I did whatever it took, but I won the contest.

[A]

What was the contest? What did you had to do?

[B]

It was like writing a script for Christmas.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I think it was me and Albert. Albert Cetelo. We wrote and we won this contest. And.

[A]

And they used our script. They used our script.

[B]

Now it's optioned out at Apple.

[A]

Like, it's really weird. And now it's the Santa Claus starring Tim Allen. I almost like Tim Curry.

[B]

And I was like, that's wrong. But I didn't care. I made this so, like, ridiculous script. And I didn't. I was just like, it has to stand out. And it did. And then we went to Disneyland with Mr. Brusch, our teacher. He, like, took us. He didn't want to be there. He was, like, falling asleep on the screen. But he was a lovely, lovely teacher. And. Yeah, so I just. That was the second time I went. And after that, I was like, I want to go back to Disney all the time, and I love Disney. So then I ended up working for Disney as Juan does.

[A]

As one does.

[B]

As one does. And, yeah, since then, I've kind of, like, recurred Disney. I went to Disney yesterday.

[A]

Yeah, you're always at Disney. I went to Disney with you, and it was delightful. Yes, I want to go. Had a nice time. Let's go.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Yes, it was nice. Although we did have a guide, and the guide was shaming me at one point because I was like, I want a picture with Pluto. And she was like, where's Pluto? And I was like, over there. And she's like, goofy. And I was like, okay, okay. She's like, where did you grow up that you don't understand who the Disney characters are? And I was like, in New Jersey. I don't know. I went to Disney World World, the one in Florida when I was 6. All of the pictures there, I'm like, not Having it not because it was hot. They made me walk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My dad was like, we're going to all the different parks. He had, like, a mission. And then I was like, we can't just sit for a minute. And then I remember my mother being like, the water is so expensive. And then I just started parodying. I, like, was. Was like, the water here is even expensive. And I was so mad. Yeah. I feel like you're, like, role reversal. I feel like parents are usually like, it's so expensive. It's too hot. Can we just sit down for a minute? That was me at 6 years old. And then we went again when I was like, maybe it was middle school and I had my hair in braids and we went for spring break.

[B]

Still hot. Still hot.

[A]

We drove from New Jersey to Florida because my parents like to pretend that we didn't have money. Growing. Growing up. I was like, we're destitute. But we were at Disney, so we weren't. But yeah. I just remember being like, when will this cooler life end? We just had to eat everything in a cooler. I hated it. Poor Nicola. I hated it. I hated it. And then we didn't get to eat anything in the park. We had to eat sandwiches out of bags. Out of Ziploc bags that my mother would wash in the best Western bathroom to put inside out to reuse the next day for more sandwiches. Is these bags. These. These bags. Bags. Bags.

[B]

You wake up from a nightmare. Nicole, are you okay? You're. You're saying bags again.

[A]

Not the bag. It was a nightmare. But that's how you keep your money, you know?

[B]

Yeah, they're resourceful. I mean, I get it. My mom would, like, make, like, tortas and, like, you know, because just getting the tickets is expensive. We didn't buy the first time when you. Disney Disneyland, I thought, we're gonna get, like, cotton candy, lollipops, all the goodies. And she's like aquista. Like, it's like, you have. She made sandwiches and she brought, like, canned soda. She brought water bottles. She brought. She brought a backpack with stuff that was resourceful back then. I was like, that's not what happens on family Matters. That's not what happens on Full House.

[A]

I love that you came full circle to understanding it, and I'm still mad about it. Yeah.

[B]

Me and my therapist have talked about it. Just come to conclusion. Like, I get it now. I understand. You don't.

[A]

I just couldn't believe she was washing them in the bathroom. My God.

[B]

Do you do that now? As an adult. Do you ever recycle bags?

[A]

I use every bag once. Not even once. I just kind of. No, no, you kind of. I like if something touches inside of the bag, I'm, like, dirty. Like, I. I go the opposite way. Like things that my mother did growing up. I'm like, I'm going to do it in spite of you, because that's. I'm petty.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Steps, baby. So anyways, to answer your question, my favorite color is blue.

[A]

Is it blue?

[B]

It is. I said I like blue. And teal, turquoise. Those colors.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Mine's purple, like water. Yes. I knew that about you.

[A]

I love purple. What is your favorite color again? I think gold. Yes. I love gold.

[B]

Yeah. All nice colors. Put them together and what do you get? Bibbidi, boppity.

[A]

I was really trying to figure it out. I was like mud. You get a real muddy color. Mix them together. Yeah. Like a violet, I guess turquoise and blue and purple would make probably like a. A darker purple. But if you mix gold with that, I think that means brown.

[B]

Brown, okay.

[A]

Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Stunning. We love brown.

[B]

You smell. You thinking of a question that you.

[A]

I was like, how do I bring it back to friendship? But I wanted to ask you about. You wore this look to the Met Gala because you did interviews.

[B]

Yes, I went to the Met Gala. I went for E. And that's so funny that you just said that, because yesterday I was talking to someone about this. So while I was da. We both dated someone the same name.

[A]

Not the same person. My God. Two little devils.

[B]

Two little devils. And then unbeknownst to me, while I was at the Met Gala doing all this, they were talking to someone else, and someone just brought this up yesterday. They're like, do you know the guy that they're dating now? Wore your outfit from the Met Gala the year after you did. And I was like, what? And they show me a picture, and I won't tell you who it is, but I can show you.

[A]

I can't wait to see this.

[B]

But, like, literally. Literally, this is a conversation I just had. This is so funny that you brought this back.

[A]

That's so.

[B]

I know. I'll show you a picture, but we have to, like, black out their eyes or something.

[A]

Shoot.

[B]

This is my photo shoot.

[A]

Because it's a Seriano, right?

[B]

Yeah. And then this is my photo shoot. And then this is their photo shoot.

[A]

Wow. Wow. We have to black out their eyes. That is wild.

[B]

Dan pointed that out to me, and I was like, I didn't even realize that. And then it trickled Down. You find out who your friends are.

[A]

Sure do.

[B]

Because after we broke up, my. Months later, I found out that this person they were talking to secretly. We share the same publicist. And they were like, hey, I didn't. I wanted to tell you something where I was walking in the carpet and I was holding their phone. Your current partner was sending them inappropriate pictures, and they were zooming. I was like, why is it. You know who texting. Oh, my God. And it was like, happy in real time.

[A]

Wow. And then wore your look a year later. Obsessed much? I mean, I love this publicist.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Me too. Yeah.

[B]

And at first I was like, that's going back to, like, I don't want any drama with anybody. So I just, like, I could have been like, yeah, that's an move. That's. But I was just like, you know what? I wish you the day you deserve.

[A]

Yes. Oh, I like that people always say.

[B]

Wish people the best. I know. I wish you the day.

[A]

I wish you the day. And if you did good, then you.

[B]

You're gonna have a great day. But if you did something you're not happy about, you're gonna get.

[A]

And that's not on me. Just.

[B]

That's it. I wish you the day you deserve. And actually was a quote that my publicist said. She's like, don't wish them well. Wish them the day they deserve.

[A]

I love shout out to Ala. Yes. But I just brought it up because I just love the looks you turn during award season.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. You always look so, like, I'll be on Instagram and be like, ma diva looks so good.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Do you plan with the designer or do you.

[B]

Well, for the longest time, no one would dress me because I wanted to dress like a big guy. Like, I would literally, like, go to designers. Like, we don't have samples in that size. And I was like, well, that's not fair, because clothes should be for everyone, not just for, like, a size 0, you know? And no one would design. No one would work with you. No stylists. Actually, for the longest time, I styled myself. And up until pretty recently, I still did, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I went to Christian Soriano, because that year, the Puss in Boots film was a nominee for an Academy Award. And I was like, I want to wear my Oscar outfit. I want you to be you. And he's like, girl, I don't do men, men's lineup, or outfits. And I was like, but he had done Billy Porter. And he's like, well, that's different because that was more like a. A gown turned into a tuxedo. And I was like, okay, well, can we find a happy. It's like, girl. And I was like, please. And I literally said, how about this? You do it once, and if it's not good, then we never do it again. So he does it. And I was like. My view for that, our vision was imagine someone going to an event in the 1920s, but wearing their dad's gilded age outfit. So the hair is 1920s, but he's wearing his dad vintage coat from the Gilded Age, like 30 years prior.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

And so that's what my outfit was for the Oscars. So I told him that's what my vision was. He's okay. So he whipped this up, and it was beautiful. It's like open coat, like, gilded age coat, tuxedo, like, you know, shirt. And then my hair, like, finger wave, like the 1920s. And then he told me that it got more, like, press than, like, the dress. Like, he made, like, 22 dresses for the Oscar, but it got more press, like vogue in Europe and vogue here, and, like, all these, like, outlets picked it up, up. And then after that, like, he was like, okay, fine. And then the next year, he had a men's line at his fashion show, and I was front row, and he invited me front row. And then I was like, I can't help to think that I helped a little bit. Shut the fuck up.

[A]

No. A little bit. He owes you some royalty and a percentage of the sales.

[B]

And he's been really wonderful and lovely and since then. Now he has a men's line because people were calling him, saying, I'm getting married. I want something like Harvey Guillen wore to the Oscars.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

So I would outfit for their wedding is replicated from the Oscars.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Isn't that cool?

[A]

Honestly, I think that's like, it's a very cool story for you and, like, just like, you inspired this, but I think it's also really, like, cool for other people to hear to be like, just be persistent. Yeah. Like, if you're persistent, maybe something will work out in your favor. And not only did it work out in your favor, it worked out for other people because now he's making out.

[B]

For outfits that, you know, men of every size can wear and ask and be tailored and, like, whatnot. So that's a big step in the right direction. Yeah, Especially because there's a lot of, like, options, first of all, for full figure people, but especially for men. At least with women, you do have some stores you can go to.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

There's no stores that men can go to, except for the Big and tall and, you know, like, the alf. Those are just like a screen T shirt and not really against them, you know, but, like, it's just like, I can't go there to pick up an outfit that I might wear to a formal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you know what I mean? It's like, he wants potato sack or you want these jeans, you know, and just like, I was looking for something more dressed up. Well, this has butterfly buttons.

[A]

And it's like, this has buttons. There's a collar on this.

[B]

This got buttons. It was like I was looking for a little more. Okay.

[A]

You want more than buttons.

[B]

You know, you're big, right?

[A]

It's like. No, no. I know you've been happy.

[B]

You're pushing it with buttons already. Like, you're pushing your button. And so it is. It makes me feel good that, like, you know, we are moving in the right direction. And he just did, like, a coffee table book of all the looks that he's done for, you know, the industry and whatnot. And I'm like, center in it. And so he's like, the whole section.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

So. And this will happen within the last, like, you know, three, four years. It wasn't, like, in the making of, like, oh, it's been a decade working on this. It's like, only in the last couple of years, which is kind of cool to look at in the. You know, how we're moving.

[A]

I wonder if I'm in the coffee table book.

[B]

You think you are? I think.

[A]

I hope so. You just got a whole lot. My purple dress is on tour.

[B]

I think you are. Yeah.

[A]

It's the only Siriano I was not allowed to keep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wasn't able to keep the pink one.

[A]

Yeah. Because.

[B]

Get them back.

[A]

Let's get them back. That's a heist planet.

[B]

Yeah. He. He's toying with the outfits, and it's a display somewhere right now.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know where it is now. I want it back so bad.

[B]

That's a really beautiful dress. Well, all the dresses.

[A]

All the dresses are stunning, but that one in particular, it is my favorite color. Purple. Yeah. It's so good.

[B]

Of course, that's the one. Cat cube.

[A]

Yes. But the other ones I have. Oh, sometimes I just put them on and I go, I'm pretty. Should we take a break? Let's take a break.

[B]

Dress up. Break.

[A]

And we're back. I have A question kind of going off of what we're just talking about, like, your instinct to, like, be persistent and. And ask for what you want or, like, speak up for what you believe. Like, this vision that you have, not everyone has that. Like, that's not an innate. Like, it's not a natural income. Yeah. Do you feel like you have always been like that, or did you learn that at some point?

[B]

I think I've always been like that. But along the way, other people's opinions and expectations and standards, for me, is what clouded my vision. Because for the longest time, I knew what I wanted, but it was other people saying, like, you can't have that. And it was other people. I remember being in high school and having my guidance counselor be like, I want to be an actor. What's your plan B? I was like, I don't have one. You need to have one. And I was like, I don't have one. And he goes, like, I'm telling you, I've seen. Yes, you're funny. Blah, blah. You need a plan B. I remember that moment. I was like, no, no. Because success is my only option. Failure is not. And in that moment, it's knowing that in my back of my head, it's because people always, Always. Because they know that it's a hard road. But also, just because you're trying to put into my head that, like, I don't want you to get hurt. I don't want you. Then let me make the choice. Let me get hurt on my own. Don't already diminish my dreams ahead of time. If it's gonna happen that way, it'll dissolve naturally. I don't need you to do it for me. And also, you don't know what the future holds. And also, just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean that it's not gonna work for me. Truly, I'm a different person, different life, you know, different approach to things. So I remember being young and, like, being told that things were, you know, I just always lived in this, like, possibility. Like, I was very optimistic to the point of being really annoying. Like, I would be like, you know, I was. I mean, I grew up watching, like, Pollyanna, like, the Disney movie. She was over the top. Like, you know, just positive. And, like, I was like, that's a good way of looking at things. And then when she breaks her spine and can't walk, I was like, oh, that was tough. But, like, oh, that's tough. I know how you get that. That one. But. But then, even then that's when she had moved everyone in the town so much that they rallied around her and they're optimistic for her. And I was like, that's good. See? Because she was good. And so I just started thinking that as a kid and as I got older, I mean, a counselor who was telling me that and directors who were telling me, like, what are you gonna do about the weight? And I was like, I think that's another business. Like, what am I gonna do with. He's like, well, you could be a leading man. I was like, I can, and I will be. And it's like if you was like, no, I can. I will be in whatever body and vessel I am at that moment. It was meant to be whether I gain weight, whether I lose weight, because weight fluctuates up and down. So I don't need you to tell me I need to look a certain way. So Hollywood tried to make me feel that I needed to fit this mold. And for a while, I was trying to. Because I was like, ah, I'm not getting auditions. I'm not getting calls. What am I trying? What am I doing wrong? I was trying to fit a mold. And then I realized I don't need to fit into a mold. Cause each and every one of us is our own mold. That's why you stand out. That's why you are a celebrity. That's why you're a star. Cause there's no one like you. And so why are we trying to fit someone else's mold? You are the mold, you know? And so for me, once I realized that things shifted, I was booking more. Because if you look at my resume, my career has been things that I was never written for. All the roles that I've gotten were wild cards. This was written for six. Two Blonde, blue eyed, six pack. And so when you look at Guillermo was written for someone 20 years older than I am.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. And so roles that were never written for me, I go in and they're like, they like you, but you're the wild card. They like you, but you're on standby. And eventually they go through everyone else, and they're like, why is he on standby? He's the one we all voted unanimously that was we liked. And then they changed their mind.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So it's about going to the room. And like, I always think I always want to book the role, obviously, but I want to book the room.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When you walk in, even if you don't get the part, if I walk out and the caster Is like, oh, my God, this is not right for you, but I'm going to look for something for you.

[A]

Yes, that's a win, and that's a win.

[B]

And I walk out. I might not get that role, but they will keep me in mind for things. And that's the way that I've looked at my career. I'm like, yeah. There's cast members who are like, I don't know if you remember this. Five years ago you came in. It wasn't the right role for you, but I've been waiting for something that I'm like, that is a good role for you. And here we are.

[A]

That's amazing. I love that. Yeah. But also telling a kid, like, what's your plan B? You wouldn't say that to a doc. Like, a kid who's like, I want to be a doctor. Yeah.

[B]

You wouldn't discourage someone. Yeah, doctor or a lawyer. But it's something with the arts.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When we want to do the arts, people are like, what's your plan B? And meanwhile, like, Cindy's like, I want to be a doctor. You go, cindy.

[A]

He's like, cindy, you're dumb as hell.

[B]

Cindy, you're in the grades, but you go get a knife in your head and you start petting.

[A]

You do nice in your hand.

[B]

You get it?

[A]

You just start sawing people open. Cindy, what about me?

[B]

I like the arts. I want to be a butcher.

[A]

Whatcher playing. That's a rage butcher.

[B]

You want to be butcher. It's just like, it was crazy to think that it's other people who fill our minds. Like, you know, I think when we think about being kids and your imagination was wild, like, anything was possible. And then something happens when we get older that people step on that and they step on that idea of, like, grow up. Like, you can't be. You can't have this imagination of anything's possible. And it's like, why not? Up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People do it every day. It's just the people who do it and succeed at it. But, like, look at them. Good for them.

[A]

Yes. Do the same somewhere, right?

[B]

And yes, it's. This business is, like, fickle. Like, the highs are high, the lows are low. And so for everything, you see me, like, book, and you're like, oh, my God, you're killing it. You don't see the 30 things I.

[A]

Didn'T book, you know?

[B]

And you don't see the close. The things that I got so close to that was like, oh, my God, I really wanted that. And then for some reason, I didn't. And then I look back, I'm like, it was never meant for, for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's fine. Sometimes I look at projects that I really wanted and then I see the outcome like, oh yeah, oh, I'm glad I was. And then sometimes you're like going to project. You're like, I don't know, this could be. Or you take a project just because of the people that you know is going to be attached. Like when I knew that Nicole was doing the movie, I was like, you know what? I haven't worked with Nicole. I want to, I want to. I know it's gonna be a good time. And it was, I would follow my instinct. And even though those are situations that we could have been like, I'm done, we're out of here. We stuck with it because of the people. I think that we were like, at least we're together.

[A]

At least we're together. At least we're having fun. Because I mean one of the best parts about being an actor is like you get to have fun every day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like sure. Maybe production's doing Wild and you're like, ah, why are we doing this? Why are we spending two hours on this light setup?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For this scene. That's two minutes.

[B]

And they cut the scene out. Yeah.

[A]

The scene's not even in it. But it's like, I don't know, I get to like hang out and like hehehe. Hahaha. With nice people.

[B]

Yeah. And that's actually, it's never lost on me that like that is like a luxury of being in this industry, that it's how you get to work with friends and even though the days are long, long and you never want to be walking in the hall at four in the morning and something you don't like, you know, so those days that turn long turn into like, you know, sleepovers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so you have a good time. And at 4, we were doing a scene in a bedroom at 4 in the morning and they were just, they wouldn't get the scene done. But we're just laying down and I think we're in the closest. I was like, I'm about to fall asleep. For real.

[A]

I was like, good night everybody.

[B]

And at one point I think because it was like a slow burning scene and it was talking and then eventually thing got to your line and you were like, oh.

[A]

Like I was like, did not hear action. I don't.

[B]

But those are fun moments that you're like, you know, not everyone gets to live those. Being on set and making friends forever. Adding. Adding people to the tier.

[A]

Yeah, I like that. If I didn't work in the industry, I would probably work at a Waffle House, because I feel like they have real fellowship and, like, real friendship, and.

[B]

They fight together, and literally, they'll go and fight.

[A]

I like that. I think that's, like, really bonding. Sponsored part, you know, sponsored part by Waffle House. Speaking of the family that fights together, family that fights together, stays together. Have you ever had a friend, like, do something dirty to you? And you're like, I don't like that. You're off the tier. You're now a crumb?

[B]

Yeah, I did have a friend years ago that was like, they were dealing with a lot of stuff, like family and whatnot, but they started taking, like, things out on our friends and whatnot and accusing people of things. And, like, I think we're planning, like, a trip or something, a group trip. And I group text everyone and included their current, like, partner in the group, like, hey, guys, blah, blah. Like, what are you doing? And I was like, what? What do you mean? Why is he in the group chat? And I was like, because is dangerously. He's coming to the thing. If you want to convey something to them, text me and I'll let them know. And I was like, first of all, I'm not trying to get with them.

[A]

Yeah, that's your. It's a group tag.

[B]

It's a group tag. And also. Also being a gatekeeper of, like, I will talk to them. No one talks to him unless you go. And I was like, that already was like, that's weird. That's so strange. And also, I was like, if you were accusing me of something in a group text of trying to do something with someone that you're currently dating, then you don't see me as a friend. And then I maybe not be seeing you as a friend. Are we being clear on what you're saying to me? And they were like, just text me and I will do. And then you're. And I was like, I don't need to text him and I don't need to text you. You're both out of the group text.

[A]

Yeah. That poor partner. Yeah. They were like, you can't be my friend either.

[B]

And years went by, and then later they realized that they had been really, you know, rough. And, like, that was. There was no need for that. And they tried to get the other friends in our group to be like, he wants to talk and say sorry. That's okay.

[A]

Yeah. Cause that's, like a Wild accusation.

[B]

It's a vile accusation.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

I don't have the energy to hang out with my friends when I have the time, you know? Cause I'm, like, literally running around. So when you start taking away time from our time, Friendship, Friendship together time. What am I saying? Like, togetherness.

[A]

No, no. Friendship together time. Friendship time.

[B]

Friendship together. It means that you're just making, like, you're making it worse for a friendship because you're not enjoying the time we do have together.

[A]

Yeah. You're making it that much harder for. For me to hang out with you. So I don't want that.

[B]

I don't want that. And so we stopped being friends. And that was years ago. And actually, that's around the time when I just started, like, letting go of crumbs. Because if you're trying to put this cake together with crumbs, they're. They're crumbs. They're not. They're no longer cohesive with the molding of the cake.

[A]

It's a crumb cake.

[B]

It's a crumb cake. And it's gon Fall apart again.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

As much as you try to put it back on, it's going to fall apart. They're crumbs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so the second you wipe your hands and say, no, focus on the tear. That's already fixed. It's stable, it's strong. Focus on that.

[A]

So you don't have any cake pop friends where you've gathered the crumbs. Taken some questions. Oh, boy. All right. And friendship Better. And suck a little stick in them.

[B]

No, I'm not sticking any sticks into any crumbs. Pops and cake pops.

[A]

I also don't really have any cake pop friends either. I did, like, recently reconnect with someone who was in my life, who then left my life, and we, like, hung out, and I was like, huh? I now really fully understand why you're not in my life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you are negative to, like, a degree. That really, like, bummed me out. And it was just, like, nice to have that clarity, to be like, I'm not crazy. Crazy. This person was, like, sucking energy from me. And I don't. I don't need that.

[B]

Yeah. And you forget sometimes when people miss you, but you don't miss them. That means someone was giving more to this friendship definitely than the other person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? And when people say, I miss you, and I'm like, you know, it's funny because I don't miss me feeling, like, around you, I don't feel Being drained.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's so funny, because that person will circle around to get their fix of, like. And I've always grown up being an optimistic and being kind of an empath, and that way people are drawn to that, to a fault. Like, it's. Sometimes you meet people who need that in their relationship with a partner. Like, even with, like, an ex that was, you know, finding out that they were a covert narcissist. Like, I had no idea because I was just like, they. Oh, you understand, they had a hard life. I mean, justifications for their mood swings or their actions and the way they treat you. And then eventually you're like, no, that's not right. And actually being separated from that makes you see it clear. Like. Like, oh, you need me because you need someone like me who's going to be, you know, optimistic, who's just going.

[A]

To give and give.

[B]

And the thing is, like, with narcissists that, like, you know, they never. You can never stop giving because they'll never stop taking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they're never going to say, that's enough. I've taken enough. They're always going to be like, keep going more and more and more. And the second you. You're drained, you know, you're like, I can't do this. It's so drained. And with friendships, it's like you're a.

[A]

Chicken trying to make the eggs and they're stealing your eggs. What are these analogies? What is. What's that?

[B]

You can't even fully form a chicken egg, and then they just put it in there and they grab it. What came first?

[A]

I don't know. I just. If it was in my brain, I wanted to see. Want to get it out. Actually probably applied this on the other 20 minutes ago. Just like a chicken. What?

[B]

Both of us goes. And then the egg. Why were you going into the chicken?

[A]

Yeah, we don't go into the chicken. How good is this egg? They're trying to get the eggs before it's fully departed, and it aborts the.

[B]

Egg and it just then just drips.

[A]

And then they're scrambling your eggs before you have a chance to say, I.

[B]

Don'T want to pop a little chicken egg. And then me. Yeah, kind of like that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, sometimes you feel you're filled with analogies and you just. You want to get them out. You know, you never. You never have one of those moods where you're like, here's.

[B]

I'm gonna stick with the cake one, and then run with that one.

[A]

Okay. It was just. You kept returning to it.

[B]

It was just so great. You're like.

[A]

I was like, maybe I'll get one, too. Chicken. Stealing their eggs.

[B]

Just like that.

[A]

Just like that.

[B]

Yeah. But it's true. Yeah. And then with friendships, it's even harder because you do want to believe that your friends are your friends for a reason that you attract and. But then sometimes it's toxic and you don't need to be in that friendship anymore, and it's okay to let go of it, you know?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And we grow. We're not the same person. We're yesterday that we are today and that we're going to be tomorrow. So people also evolve and just grow separate, or you become friends who know they're going to be friends forever.

[A]

Did you know, allegedly, you're a different person every seven years because you shed your particles or something. Your cells change. Your cells. Your cells regenerate.

[B]

Would you say particles?

[A]

Yeah, you're particles. But yes. Yeah, you are a whole different person every seven years.

[B]

Okay, that makes sense, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because every seven years, you have. You look back, you're like, are you friends with the people that you were friends seven years, maybe some years them. And if they are, that means that they're going to stick around because you're meant to be friends.

[A]

Yeah. I was thinking. I was like, yeah, I was way different from like 7 to 14, and then 21 to 28 and then not sure about after that math, you know, the farmers taking the eggs from the. To give them the egg.

[B]

This is the best.

[A]

What's the. What's the nicest thing you've done for a friend?

[B]

What's the nicest thing? I don't know if I considered things. This is nice for my friend. I just. I do things and then I feel good. I feel good. And then maybe sometime later, people are like, that was really nice of you.

[A]

You know, well, then I'll reverse it. What's the nicest thing a friend's done for you?

[B]

I feel like a lot. I feel like being there. The nicest thing some friends have been. I'm a very, like, I've solved things on my own. I'm a Taurus. Not that I'm really into. You know what I mean? But I'm very much like. I don't ask for help. I usually tend to, like, be like, I'll fix it, you know? And so when friends see that, I'm like, it's okay. You know, it's like, no, no, I'll take care of it. No, it's okay. You don't have to do everything yourself. And so those are the nice moments. Because I don't have to ask for something. It's when they can sense that they're like, let's. It's okay. We're going to spread this out and we're going to help you out with this. And even if it's talking or taking over something or overwhelmed with like something in an event or, you know, or whatever, it's nice to like have those friends who can sense that. But the nicest thing I've done for a friend. I don't know if it's like. Yeah, I don't know. There's things that I've done that felt right in the moment and then later. Yeah. Was like, that was. That is a nice thing. But I don't see it as like tit for tat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like I'm a generous person. So like some. Sometimes like, you know, it's a friend. Cuz we're all different. Who can't like afford to go somewhere for like. But we're doing a group friends trip or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And be like, happy birthday, I got your ticket. You know, so stuff like that.

[A]

That's nice.

[B]

It's like they. There's no reason to be excluded in the friendship thing because that year was a financial difference for one of us in the group. Or you know, or you're. If you've been blessed enough to have a really successful year, then you should share that.

[A]

Definitely the nicest thing I've ever done for a friend was buy Sasheer a hot dog bun toaster. And she said, I don't want this. And I said, okay. So we left it in a parking structure.

[B]

No.

[A]

To bless somebody else. Somebody pulled their car in and said, boy, my hot dog buns was so cold. Whoa.

[B]

Did that really happen?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

What? This. The truth came out now.

[A]

I guess it did happen. Yeah. But. So Nicole is a gift giver and I love that. And I am too. And when she sees something that reminds her of me, she'll get it.

[B]

But you love hot dogs. I know.

[A]

And I do love hot dogs. This is true. I. And I think your aesthetic in your home is like kitschy. You like food stuff. That is not my aesthetic. So sometimes you'll buy me like hot dog goods for the home. And that's not necessarily how I wanted to create my house. And. And I have kind of a hot dog shrine in my house that's comprised of gifts that Nicole has given me. So the shrine Is from her mostly. Some. Some things have come from other people. It's mostly from Nicole. And, you know, I guess I didn't want to stop this fun, but eventually I was like, I can't keep accepting hot dog gifts from you. This is not a hot dog house. And. And she showed up one day.

[B]

This house is not.

[A]

Not even a hot dog home.

[B]

This is a hot dog own.

[A]

She showed up with this toaster and.

[B]

You know, in a parking lot, though.

[A]

Because we were leaving somewhere.

[B]

Did you just buy. Were you like, in a Target parking lot?

[A]

No, I was in a home goods and I left it in my car. And I said, I'm gonna see my friends soon. And so we saw each other for a different reason, but she's like, oh, before I leave, leave, let me get you this gift that I got you. And it was a toaster where you put hot dogs in one compartment and the butt in another compartment. And I also don't make hot dogs at home. So it's like, I actually don't like.

[B]

Hot dogs for someone else. Gotta prepare them.

[A]

Yeah. If I'm like, at a concert, at a. At an event, you know, it's like.

[B]

After a club on the street, literally.

[A]

Yeah, she had one last night and. But yeah, I'm not usually making them at my house. So she gave me the toaster and I was like, I just, like, I can't. I just can't let this. I was like, look, I love that you love giving me gifts that remind you of me. I just don't need this toaster. And she goes, well, what am I supposed to do? What did I get you? And I was like, you're my friend. You should know. You're my best friend of like 15 years. You can find. And also, you don't even have to get me a gift. Yes, I do. You could. Or you could just take a picture of me. Like, ha, ha. This is a thing. That's what I do now. Now you do that. And I appreciate that. But yeah. So she, you know, know, they got a little miffed, said, I'll just leave it here. And I was like, I could give it to somebody else. She's like, no, no, leave it. I'll leave it.

[B]

Petty.

[A]

Wasn't petty. I was like, someone else will just be blessed by this.

[B]

Okay, that's nice.

[A]

Because somebody found it and somebody said.

[B]

I don't want this hot dog.

[A]

Hot dog. Hot dog. Hot diggy dog. Is.

[B]

Is it the toaster one that you put the actual wieners and the button buns and you push it.

[A]

I think so. Simply don't know.

[B]

I think it's.

[A]

I think it was.

[B]

It was right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I thought about that. I was like, that's really resourceful. But that grease is just gonna melt to the bottom and cause a fire.

[A]

And they also need different times. Yeah.

[B]

You can't just cook. The. The bread's gonna burn and the hot dog's gonna be undercooked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then that's not a nice time. Nah.

[B]

I'm glad you returned this gift.

[A]

Thank you. I want to buy you a hot dog. Food food. Food stool. A stool for my food food. I had a really hard time getting that out. Food stool. You know how home goods has those food. Yes. They have a hot dog one, but it didn't look right. Well, that's not long enough. I didn't buy it.

[B]

A short dog.

[A]

Thank you, wiener dog. I just love buying stuff for people. It's a nice time.

[B]

I do, too. I think we have. That's. We have that similar thing. We're just ordering Red Lobster for Laura. You are very generous. I think one of the nice things Nicole did for me because she didn't know that my family and I are Dodger fans, and she got tickets to the Dodger games. And I was like, oh, my God, you have to go. I don't want to go to the Dodgers. And I was like, oh, do you want to go? I was like, yes. I gave those tickets to me, my brothers, and we went. Had a family time.

[A]

That's so fun. So generous.

[B]

That's what makes you so nice.

[A]

But I recently went to a Dodgers game. I had never seen baseball. Wow. I'm sorry. Wow. But I'd never seen baseball in person.

[B]

That's right. Because she had told me that. She's like, I never seen it. I don't want to go. And I was like, okay.

[A]

But it was exciting.

[B]

It is exciting.

[A]

The last three minutes were so exciting. I kept screaming, fun. I'm fun. This is fun.

[B]

Not the tea, not go team, but.

[A]

Fun, fun, fun, fun. Well, because I walked Ohtani, and then another man came, and then here's my thing. I don't know why they're trying to hit the balls so far. Hit them bumpy.

[B]

So people are like, so.

[A]

No. Because they seem to have trouble catching them.

[B]

See the comic relief in that? Like, this is. You see the. The physical comedy about that.

[A]

But when it goes up high, the men who are in the back, they could possibly do anything.

[B]

Men who are in the back don't do anything.

[A]

They're wearing their sunglasses, and they're like, got it. But when it's all bumpy, everyone's like. And everyone gets it.

[B]

She came to see a play, a comedy of errors, if you will, of course, starring the Dodgers.

[A]

I just feel like you have more time to get to the. The bases when everybody's fumbling. But the men in the back, they're just. They're ready. They have nothing else to do. They don't.

[B]

Anvil falling from the sky and W E Coyote running around. And you got the perfect show for Nakota.

[A]

Wait, I'll ask you this. Since you love the Dodgers, what's your favorite part of the game?

[B]

I like when it feels like all hope is lost. And it's like the bottom of the, like, six or seven, and people start getting out of their seats, and they're like, no, no. And then people are like, it's over because the Dodgers aren't ahead. And at the last minute, which I've been in person at a game when this happens, the energy that happens at, like, when it's like a movie, it's like, oh, my God, we never see, like. And then everyone's, like, clapping. Otani home run makes another world record in front of you. Like, it's like, when those things happen simultaneously is what I really love. Because. Because you feel the energy of everybody. Where the people who believed stayed, and the people are walking back, some of them are still tricking. They're like, come back.

[A]

Come back.

[B]

And people start coming back to their seats, but some don't. And they're driving home and they regret. They regret not being there because they hear about it through the radio. Like, oh, my God, tonight we made history. If you were here, your life changed forever.

[A]

My favorite part is the sweepers. They come with big broomy things, and then they're like, yeah, the dirt sweepers. I love them.

[B]

They're fun. I like the runners when the ball goes, like, foul, and they just have, like, some, like, hit, like, really quick to get them.

[A]

Oh, yeah, the little ball guys, they go through so many balls at games. I couldn't believe. I was like, they must bring so many ball, like, bags and bags of balls.

[B]

Their budget for balls is big.

[A]

It probably so big ball budget. Well, on that note, I think it's time to end.

[B]

Oh, I'm. Big balls.

[A]

As we always do. Big balls, dolls. But the sweepers are my favorite part because, like, they didn't go to school for sweeping. You don't know that.

[B]

You don't know that. They have camps. They have camps for these kids to learn stuff.

[A]

Oh, wait, those are kids?

[B]

Well, some of them are like, oh, they were adults. Some of them are adults, but some of them are like, they. It's like being. It's like an honor. Like a. Like a. Like a flower girl.

[A]

Oh, well, I was like, yeah. Like, they're living a dream. They love the Dodgers, and they get to, like, hang out in the dugout. There's probably, like, a separate entrance for them to walk through. And then they get to sweep and, like, be on the field. Like, that's cool. That's cool. I would be a sweeper for days.

[B]

Where you can run the field.

[A]

I could. What?

[B]

Yeah, they have days of a specific game they let you, especially for kids. But most of the parents who love the Dodgers will bring their kids and they'll run. They'll let you run the bases.

[A]

Oh, that's fun.

[B]

And you run the bases with, like.

[A]

An audience of people?

[B]

Well, the audience comes down, and they all get in line to do it.

[A]

But is there still people in the audience?

[B]

No. You want. You want to throw the first ball at a game.

[A]

So how do I do that?

[B]

I'm sure you can make it work. It could be, like. Yeah, you throw the first ball. Have you seen, like, Mariah Carey do? Yeah. So you could do that. Throw the first ball of a game?

[A]

You should. I want to do it. I've been to one game.

[B]

You're.

[A]

You're an expert, and I love baseball.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, Harvey, do you have anything you want to promote?

[B]

Just follow me on Instagram and Twitter. Just said Harvey Keith.

[A]

And.

[B]

And. Yeah, and look out for some new projects.

[A]

Amazing. I love that. Harvey, thank you so much for being here.

[B]

Thanks for having me. Friends.

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Yeah.

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[B]

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