Ready to break free from burnout and discover what it truly means to thrive?

In this transformative episode of the “Better Than Fine” podcast, host Darlene Marshall sits down with world-renowned clinical psychologist and expert in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Dr. Diana Hill, to dive deep into her new book, Wise Effort, and the fascinating intersection of ancient Buddhist wisdom and modern psychology.

You’ll hear how the concept of “wise effort” offers a radical shift away from the endless grind and emotional exhaustion that so many of us feel today. Instead of pushing harder and burning out, Dr. Hill reveals how we can channel energy into actions that are aligned with our values—and create regenerative, life-giving cycles instead of relentless depletion.Together, Darlene and Diana unpack powerful practices—drawn from ACT, mindfulness, and self-compassion research—that help you break free from toxic stories, become more psychologically flexible, and start relating to yourself (and your body) with curiosity instead of criticism. Discover how seemingly simple shifts in mindset and behavior can lead to profound resilience, especially during challenging times.

Whether you’re feeling overwhelmed, searching for practical strategies to boost energy, or curious about what it means to “show up” for yourself, this episode delivers actionable insights and heartfelt vulnerability. Lean in for a conversation packed with relatable stories, expert tips, and tools you can use today to reclaim your vitality.

Tune in, subscribe, and start your journey toward wise effort—and a life better than fine!

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The content shared in this podcast is solely for educational and entertainment purposes. It is not intended to be a substitute for professional advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek out the guidance of your healthcare provider or other qualified professional. Any opinions expressed by guests and hosts are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of NASM.

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