In this episode, I sit down with my friend Josh Turner—pastor, leader, and now author of Into the Storm. Josh’s story is one of unexpected suffering and surprising strength. We talk about his daughter Riley, born with a rare condition, undiagnosed for 12 years, and now living life with courage and clarity most adults don’t have. Josh shares what it was like walking through that pain while pastoring, wrestling with God’s sovereignty, and being forced to reexamine what he actually believed about suffering.

That experience, by the grace of God, moved Josh from being just a servant of God to living like a son. We also dive into the ministry he now leads, 10Ten Project, which helps pastors get healthy before they burn out or blow up. This episode isn’t just for church leaders—it’s for anyone walking through pain, anyone looking for hope, and anyone needing to be reminded: God is doing more than you think He is.

In This Episode

Suffering as a young pastor and preparing the church for it
Josh’s early ministry influences and meeting Matt
The story of Riley’s birth and undiagnosed condition
Wrestling theologically with suffering and God’s sovereignty
Transition from servant to son – a pastor’s identity crisis
Why 10Ten exists: helping pastors finish well
How many pastors are emotionally unaware
Real stories from intensives and ministry breakdowns
A theology of suffering is essential for everyone
Encouragement to those in suffering or leadership burnout

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