He almost got away with it: Chris Reed, the fake prophet

Summary

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BibleThinker Podcast Summary

Episode: "He almost got away with it: Chris Reed, the fake prophet"

Host: Mike Winger
Date: February 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this special investigative episode, Mike Winger exposes Chris Reed—an influential leader in the Charismatic church movement—as a "fake prophet." The discussion centers on Reed's manipulation, fabrications, alleged sexual misconduct, drug abuse, and the broader problem of systemic cover-up within high-profile charismatic organizations (notably Bethel, IHOP, and Morningstar). Mike supports his claims with evidence, testimonies, and a detailed breakdown of Reed's methods, as well as the enabling culture among top charismatic leaders. The episode seeks to provide biblical accountability, warn the church, and encourage discernment among believers.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Why This Investigation Matters

• Chris Reed's Influence: Reed led what he claims is the third-largest Charismatic ministry in the US; he is intertwined with Bethel, IHOP, Morningstar, and other leading prophetic ministries ([00:37]–[01:53]).
• Cover-Up Culture: Leaders like Bill Johnson (Bethel) have protected Reed and others despite knowing about their fraudulent activity ([01:54]–[19:35]).
• Personal Stakes: Mike recounts a private meeting where Reed threatened him "with prophecy" and lied under oath, calling down curses if he was lying ([00:37], [75:33], [114:24]).

2. Evidence Chris Reed Faked Prophecy

• The Facebook 'Prophecies': In 2020, Reed was caught "ministering" online, giving prophetic words to people based on information he took from their (sometimes faked) Facebook accounts ([05:54]–[08:27]).
• Exposure by Bethel-Connected Leaders: Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins coordinated a controlled test, altering Facebook data to prove Reed's prophecies were lifted directly from the internet ([08:27]–[19:35]).
  • Quote:
    “They get a few friends of theirs to alter their Facebook pages slightly... then they watch to see if Chris Reed gives the wrong information, proving that he is just getting it off the Internet.” —Mike Winger ([08:27])

3. Institutional Complicity and Endorsement

• Bethel & Bill Johnson: Despite being made aware of Reed's deception, Johnson wrote the foreword for Reed's book Developing Your Prophetic Filter ([19:35]–[23:30]).
  • Quote:
    “Bill Johnson writes the foreword to the book... This is after Bill Johnson has knowledge that Chris is in fact guilty of faking prophecy.” —Mike Winger ([01:54])
• Comparison to Sean Bowles: The same cover-up pattern previously played out with Sean Bowles, another high-profile prophetic leader ([23:30]).

4. Fraudulent Ministry Patterns

• Sid Roth Show & Platform Building: Reed appears on Sid Roth’s popular supernatural show even after being exposed—endorsed and promoted as a gifted prophet ([26:31]–[29:25]).
  • Quote:
    “When you get on the Sid Roth Show... you’re into the next level of stratosphere... you are something higher up.” —Mike Winger ([12:47])
• Francis Chan & Mike Bickle: Chan publicly praises Reed’s supposed prophetic gifting, shaming those who criticize these leaders, while Reed seeks ever-larger platforms—even positioning himself to take over for disgraced leaders ([29:04]–[33:37]).
• Gatekeeping at IHOP: Reed physically prevents Sam Storms and Francis Chan from confronting Mike Bickle, showing his deep connection and protector role within this movement ([33:36]).

5. Allegations of Sexual Misconduct & Drug Abuse

• Grooming and Assault: Reed used his position to pursue sexual relationships with students under his pastoral/prophetic care; text messages show he initiated inappropriate contact despite blaming the woman ([33:36]–[49:53]).
• Cover-Up by Rick Joyner: Rather than disciplining Reed, Joyner fast-tracks him into the position of acting president at Morningstar; accountability is performative or non-existent ([44:10]–[49:53]).
  • Quote:
    “He was a mega celebrity at Morningstar... What married man says to a single woman, ‘I feel like I am for you?’” —Mike Winger ([37:40])
• Restoration Philosophy: Rick Joyner espouses a theology of restoring anyone caught in "any trespass," including sexual predators—interpreting Galatians 6:1 as grounds to put disqualified leaders back in authority ([44:10], [45:37]).
• Drug Use while Ministering: Multiple witnesses confirm Reed's ongoing drug abuse, including appearing visibly intoxicated while preaching & prophesying ([56:30]–[72:31]).
  • Quote:
    “[Chris] appears very much high... This is not unheard of, even to the people in his own congregation.” —Mike Winger ([72:05])

6. The iPhone Prophetic Trick Revealed

• Reed's Main Prophetic Shtick: Reed frequently "proves" his accuracy by showing time-stamped iPhone notes with prophecies he claims were made before public events ([71:02]–[82:03]).
• Easy to Fake: Mike demonstrates how easily anyone can manipulate iPhone timestamps by changing the phone’s date settings ([82:03]).
  • Quote:
    “All you do is change the phone’s date and time, then write whatever you want... This is not a prophecy, this is a parlor trick.” —Mike Winger ([82:03])
• Threatening with 'Prophecy': Reed attempts to intimidate dissenters (including Mike) with prophecies warning of divine wrath or consequences ([75:33]–[82:45]).
  • Quote:
    “The Lord is very, very angry with him and his endless campaigns against many ministries.” —Chris Reed ([80:32])

7. Damage Done to Individuals & Accountability Failure

• Testimony: Pastor Alan Hawkins ([122:20]–[143:35]):
  • Summarizes how Reed infiltrated his church at a vulnerable time, wowed leaders with mentalist-style "prophecy," but was ultimately exposed via outside vetting and personal observation.
  • Hawkins recounts the lasting emotional devastation and shame for having brought Reed in, further describing how a vulnerable church member clung to Reed's false cancer prophecy—dying after refusing treatment in hope.
    • Quote:
      "I watched him waste away and die, holding on to that prophetic word. These people kill people." —Pastor Alan Hawkins ([143:35])
  • Hawkins faced years of stonewalling when trying to raise his concerns amid "cover-up culture" and eventually received only superficial apologies from Reed after public pressure mounted.
    • Quote:
      "That man broke me. I did forgive him, but I want him to face the consequences... He broke me." —Pastor Alan Hawkins ([143:35])

8. Reed’s Manipulative Techniques & Continuing Ministry

• Manipulation and Threats: Reed openly calls critics "bloodthirsty religious devils," compares them to the apostle Paul’s tormentors, and deflects all criticism as “cancel culture” ([95:51]–[116:46]).
  • Quote:
    "I stirred up a religious devil today that I don't think I have ever seen more of." —Chris Reed ([114:24])
• Maintains Ministry Despite Scandal: Reed launches a new church (“Friends of the Bridegroom”) and continues recruiting followers—even at the time of this episode, after the exposure ([149:03]).
  • Quote:
    “We have people... who are putting their house up for sale and are moving here because they want to be a part of what God is doing.” —Chris Reed ([149:03])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is what's called DARVO—deny, accuse, and reverse victim and offender."
  —Mike Winger ([07:38])
• "Even secular people know this... When you put someone in charge of children, they better be safe for children to be around."
  —Mike Winger ([48:20])
• "I think that Bill Johnson... is a devious and twisted man."
  —Mike Winger ([23:30])
• "If I'm lying, may God strike my wife and children dead."
  —Chris Reed (as recounted by Pastor Alan Hawkins) ([142:14])
  • Hawkins immediately rebukes such an oath as "the most evil thing I've ever heard."
• "You are evil, you are wicked, you are a blight upon the name of Christ."
  —Mike Winger, directly addressing Chris Reed ([145:51])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:00]–[01:53] — Setting the stage: Who is Chris Reed and why this matters
• [05:54]–[08:27] — Catching Reed faking prophecies via Facebook/YouTube
• [19:35]–[23:30] — Bill Johnson's endorsement & pattern with Sean Bowles
• [26:31]–[33:36] — Sid Roth Show, platform-building, and endorsements
• [33:36]–[49:53] — Sexual grooming, cover-up at Morningstar, restoration philosophy
• [56:30]–[72:31] — Evidence of drug abuse during ministry/time-stamped note trick
• [75:33]–[82:45] — Chris Reed's public threats of divine revenge/anger
• [122:20]–[143:35] — Pastor Alan Hawkins' testimony, including victim who died
• [149:03] — Reed continues recruiting to new church after scandal

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Conclusion & Takeaways

Mike Winger’s detailed exposé highlights the grave dangers of unchecked spiritual authority and systemic cover-up in high-profile charismatic ministries. Through documentation, personal testimony, and technical exposé, the episode shows:

• How a single manipulator can cause spiritual, emotional, and physical harm.
• How institutional leaders repeatedly choose protectionism over transparency, often at severe cost.
• The urgent need for biblical discernment, grassroots accountability, and for churchgoers to resist cult-like manipulation in the name of “prophecy.”

Mike’s final appeal is for charismatic leaders—particularly those with insider knowledge—to break ranks, confess what they know, and put a stop to the cycle of abuse and cover-up.

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For full context, reference to specific clips, and further resources, listeners are encouraged to watch the original episode and check Mike Winger's channel for referenced links, including to supporting testimonies and technical demonstrations.

Transcript

[Mike Winger]

Foreign. This guy right here is Chris Reed. And today you're going to learn about how leaders in the Charismatic church have been allowing him to ruin people's lives. You're going to even hear testimony about how he, according to my witness, contributed to someone dying, got someone killed because of his prophecy.

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

All he could do was talk about the prophecy he got from, from Chris Reed. I watched him waste away and die holding onto that prophetic word. These people. These people kill people.

[Mike Winger]

Chris Reed, he is a fake prophet who was recently leading, according to him, the third largest charismatic ministry in the United States. I have evidence that he is a fake prophet. I'll present that evidence today. I also have evidence to suggest he's a drug addict, that he groomed and sexually sinned with one of his students. And I don't think she's the only one. That he, like I said, got a man killed or contributed to having a man killed, having a man dying, I should say. He also lied to me in the name of God. We had a meeting, me and Chris, just days back and he lied to my face, calling down curses from God if he was lying. And I have evidence that he lied in that meeting. I'll share that evidence today. I think this is all very relevant because I want to prove this guy wrong so that I can stop him from terrorizing people. He's actively terrorizing people with his prophecies. I'll share all this in detail. He's currently still acting as a pastor in charge of a fellowship where he runs full control with apparently no accountability. At least that's how it seems. It seems like it has to be the case because he's been caught high teaching on Sunday mornings and yet he still taught this morning. That's right. I'm recording this on a Sunday and I'll share a little bit of what he taught this Sunday as well. So much is going to come out here today. But I want to help bring accountability to Chris and to deliver people from his terrors because he does this with prophecy. He scares people.

[Rick Joyner]

And.

[Mike Winger]

And I want to prove one of his best and most commonly known prophetic tricks wrong. I want to show you how it's done. You can do it with your iPhone. It's actually pretty easy. So if you'd like to be a prophet by the end of this video, we can all be as prophetic as Chris Reed, this prophet. Speaking of which, we did have like a two hour talk not long ago, and in that talk, he threatened me with prophecy as well. And you're going to be getting all that. But here's the reason why I'm doing this. Chris Reed is not an isolated case. Chris Reed is part of the one of the three major ministries, maybe four, I might add, by the end of this that I would say have been propagating cover up culture. So we have Bethel and we have ihop and we have Morning Star. Those are like the three old school ones. And then rising up right now is Jesus image. And of course there may be others, but these three are pretty significant. This is the Morning Star one, all right. But it is connected to Bethel leadership and here's why. In 2020, Bethel leadership knew that Chris Ree was faking prophecy. And Bill Johnson not only did not expose Chris, we'll have evidence that he may have deliberately covered up for Chris. Like purposely intentionally silenced someone from being a whistleblower. I'll share the text messages and stuff today. But he actually, after this, after 2020, he went on to write the foreword for Chris's 2023 book. What book? A book on healthy prophecy. I kid you not. This is the truth. Chris writes a book called Developing youg Prophetic Filter. Bill Johnson writes the foreword to the book. This is after Bill Johnson has knowledge that Chris is in fact guilty. There it is. That Chris is in fact guilty of faking prophecy. This is very similar to the Sean Bull situation. And there's a number of details I want to give you. Because Scripture says have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. And this is going to be part of exposing them and creating accountability from the ground up if we have to do it because the leaders aren't doing their job. Sadly, if Bethel had exposed Chris back in 2020 instead of Bill endorsing his book, then maybe that man you're going to hear about later would not have died. Maybe Chris would not have groomed multiple women. Maybe he wouldn't currently be the senior pastor of a church who's being oppressed by this man in the name of Jesus. So this is dedicated to the people who are scared to death of Chris Reed. Let me first talk about the Bethel connection and then we'll walk through all the other stuff I've kind of introduced so far today. The Bethel connection. All right, in 2020, Chris Reed was on a live stream. And you guys know what 2020 was, right? Covid hit. Everything's locked down. And a guy like Chris who does public speaking as his job, he has nowhere to go. He has nothing to do. So he's going on streams and There on these live streams, he's prophesying. Now, this guy, kind of like Sean Bowles, he comes out and prophesies. And if you haven't seen my Bowles video, I'll link it below. He goes out and prophesies in ways that are amazing to people. He knows their address or their name. He knows what they just did last week. He knows tons of stuff about them. But some people catch him in actually looking up their data on Facebook as he's prophesying. They know that he's going to look up their username. And so. And these are some Bethel guys, right? We have Ben Fitzgerald and we have Todd Dawkins. And they're looking up or they're. They're with Chris. Well, one of them is on the show with Chris and the other one is merely helping out. Ben Fitzgerald's just helping out off to the side. But they suspect I think this guy's cheating. So they use their own Facebook or Facebook of people they know to test Chris by editing those Facebook pages and then requesting a prophetic word. And if he would give them the bad information that was just edited, then they know he was getting the info off Facebook. This is very, very definitive evidence that shows exactly what happened. Okay, so this is Chris Reed giving his explanation of why he looked up people on Facebook back in 2020, in this particular instance on YouTube and was busted by Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins. So this is that explanation. And you'll hear that he said it was all premeditated and. And this is a lie. I will prove it. Today.

[Chris Reed]

I can remember specifically an instance in prophecy where I was doing online ministry with two other people and it was the first time I'd done it with. This is back during 2020, in the pandemic, before I ever ministered here in the Carolinas. And one of the persons that was doing online ministry is like a zoom call. Three people. And then people on social media would come up and we'd pray for them if we had something.

[Mike Winger]

Prophetically speaking, it was very exciting moment, right? Because they call in or they, you know, they type into the live chat and then he gives them a prophetic word other on either they're on Facebook, they're commenting. It might have been YouTube or may have been both. Actually, I don't remember right now.

[Chris Reed]

Off the top of my head, speak over wood. Well, at the end, I didn't know that one of the persons on that call had a pre meditated ensnarement waiting for me.

[Mike Winger]

This is a lie. I'll show you later,

[Chris Reed]

and that is bearing false witness when you do such a thing to try to force me, to get me to prophesy over someone 15 hours away in another country across the world who I don't even know at that time if they're a real person through a cell phone. Premeditated entrapment. Pre meditated entrapment.

[Mike Winger]

This would be like a guy who, you know, hires a prostitute and then finds out that she's an undercover cop. And his defense being it was a premeditated entrapment. Like, dude, you're the same amount of guilty. Even if it was, but it wasn't. This is actually not true. You know, Chris isn't forced to prophesy at all. He's putting himself out there as a guy that has words from God. They asked for prophecy, he looked them up online, and he got caught, and now he's blaming it on them. So this is what's called darvo, right? Deny, accuse, and reverse victim and offender.

[Chris Reed]

It's bearing false witness, then trying to get you to prophesy to people, and that's not even really their name. They're lying to you about names and information.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, so entrapment is not possible if you're a real prophet or if you just only share things when God actually shows you. Because someone could give you a fake profile, and you would look at it and go. Or you would hear the name perhaps and say, I don't have a prophetic word for you. See, this trick doesn't work on a real prophet. It only works on someone who's faking it. That's the beauty of the trick. So later in that conversation that I had with him, we talked about this as well. This is not from our conversation. I didn't record it. I believe that Chris did. But in my conversation with Chris, he tells me that first that it was entrapment and that it was the weirdest thing he says. Because I was suspicious that they were trying to trick me. I looked up their names on Facebook, and then I gave them some words from Facebook later in the conversation, same conversation, he implies that he was never giving prophetic words of knowledge he would just see on Facebook, like, oh, you have a son. And he'd be like, oh, Lord, bless your son, and may he call your son to great things, which I can't keep track of. His own lies, I think, is the issue. But here are screenshots from that day. Screenshots from that very day where Chris Ree was faking prophecy. And I'm going To share them with you. Here is the first one. There we go. On this screenshot, you can see where it's Ben Fitzgerald and Todd Dawkins are talking back and forth. Now, Ben is not a source for me on this. Be, so far, has not been willing to talk to me. I've asked for, like, I don't know if it's two weeks through, like, three different contacts, and he does not want to speak to me, or so far, doesn't want to speak to me. Maybe he's still praying about it after all this time. But Ben, he's doing good here. This thing he's doing right at this moment, this day is good here. It's May 27, 2020, and Todd says to him, hey, Ben, I'm on a live stream right now with a guy who I think is stealing information off Facebook. It's literally everything on their page. It's obvious what do I do? And he's panicking because it's not entrapment. He's come on to this live stream as they're seeking to walk in prophetic things and seeking to bless people. And he goes on this live stream, and Chris Reed's there, and he can tell. He's like, dude, this guy's faking it. I can tell. And he starts looking people up, too. And he goes, like, everything he says, it's right on their Facebook page. So he reaches out to someone he trusts, Ben Fitzgerald, and Ben helps him. They work together. They work together. You could say lay a trap, but I think it's give a test to give a test to Chris Reed. So here he goes, I don't want to be wrong here, but he's way too accurate. It doesn't match the kind of stuff that we usually see in the movement. That'll be how I interpret this here. And then Ben says, ask for me to have a word. Okay. And then so they start asking questions. Then they coordinate, and I have their whole tech stream. I got, like, a bunch of messages. I'm not going to share them all. But basically what they do is they get a few friends of theirs to alter their Facebook pages slightly so that there's some information that's right and some that's wrong. And then they watch to see if Chris Reed gives the wrong information, proving that he is just getting it off the Internet. Sound familiar? This is exactly what Sean Bowles did. He did the exact same trick. And this is around the same time we have Chris Reed doing it and being lifted up as a prophet in the movement and. And Getting a book, endorsement and forward from Bill Johnson just the same. Okay? So he gets caught. They do this with multiple accounts. Todd, you can tell, is shocked. And one of the reasons he's shocked is because this guy Chris Reed, is not small time. Okay? He's the dude who is about to appear on the Sid Roth Show. Now, some of you guys don't know who that is, but when you appear on the Sid Roth show, you're making it. You're into the next level of stratosphere. You're not like a normal leader in the movement. You're something higher up. We also have reason to think that he was poising himself to take over for Mike Bickle at some point, and he was trying to take over for Sid Roth at some point and trying to take over for Rick Joyner. And the eventual one that took is Rick Joyner. So he stepped in as the next leader after Rick Joyner was going to retire from Morningstar. And so he was present there for a season until scandals there blew up and he had to leave. So another leader, after hearing about this in 2020, he actually makes a dossier. I have the dossier. I have the dossier. And he told this leader, took the dossier showing that Chris Reed is a liar, that he blasphemes the very name of God. As Christians, you have to care about this. You have to care about this a lot. This is not just a lie. It's a lie in the name of the Holy Spirit. It's a lie in the name of prophecy. That's a huge issue. That's about as big as you get as far as issues go. And so he takes this dossier and he gives it to Dan Reiss of Paul Kane's ministry. Nothing happens. He was reportedly going to take it to Kathryn Ruonala in Australia and Stacy Campbell and James Gaul in 2020. Did they get it? I have not confirmed whether they got it or not. So that's an unanswered question. But I know that Stacey Campbell was given evidence of Sean Bowles cheating. I use their word cheating. We should say lying in the name of God back in 2017. And she didn't just started ghosting the person who gave her the evidence. So then we have in 2020, Bethel knows. And why does Bethel know? Because Ben Fitzgerald, who's on this text thread, who's checking, he's actually connected to Bethel. He's a pretty significant leader in Bethel in Germany right now, at one of their locations, or they're affiliated in some sense, whether it's official or not a church, it's very much a Bethelized church. So Ben goes to the leadership or excuse me, first, Ben confronts Chris. Here's the order of events. They confront Chris. And in the initial confrontation in 2020, the confrontation, I know Todd Dawkins at least is on this call and says, hey, Chris, you did this. And he denies it. I didn't look up words. You guys are wrong. They give more evidence and more support for it. And he confesses finally. Okay, I did look up words. And then they asked just one thing. They go, chris, we're not going to tell everybody. We just want you to tell your leaders, like your board. Tell the people who you're accountable to, at least in theory, although the boards in these movements don't hold people accountable. That's what I've learned. But he says, tell them. Chris responds, according to Todd, threats of lawsuits. I'm going to sue you. I'm going to sue you. Don't talk to me about this. Don't bring this up to anybody else. Click. Then this is Chris's account. From here, I'll share what Chris Reed says happened. And this is really significant because this is where Bethel gets involved in a deeper way that is disturbing and I think needs to be made public. On your screen is going to be a text message between Chris Reed and a lady where he describes what happened. And I will say he said the same to me. And I do think he is telling the truth in this instance. It's a rare moment. Chris Reed says, I think it will stop now. This is after he's getting exposed. These guys know Bethel is going to find out. They want him to tell his leaders. He says, I think it will stop now. Sean Bull's called Bethel. Don't repeat that. And Bill Johnson told him to stop that nonsense and leave me alone and it's all going to be okay. I agree. To which the response is from this lady who I'll leave her unnamed. She's not. It's not actually that secret people know. But she at this point believes that Chris was being defamed wrongly. She doesn't realize later she realized that he's actually a fake prophet. And so this is what she said. She goes, papa, Bill is awesome. She's celebrating that Bill is protecting Chris Reed. And then he says, yes. He straight tells him, lol. And did he call Sid for you too? And yes, implication here is that Sean Bowles also called Sid Roth. Remember, he was going to be on the Sid Roth show, so maybe his chances there were not as Good. And he claims that Sean called Sid Roth. And he did end up appearing on Sid Roth not very long after that. The Sid Roth Show. In my private conversation with Chris Reed recently, this was back in 2020. Now, recently, he tells me a very similar story. He says it, and he was very careful with his words. He says, I called Sean after they confronted him, and Sean said, I'll take care of it. Sean Bowles says, I'll take care of it. Then he got the following text from Ben Fitzgerald, and this is where it turns strange. Ben Fitzgerald, Bethel guy, currently still is significant leader in Bethel right now. And I asked to talk to him about this. I asked him if this isn't what it looks like to tell me, and I've not been able to get a hold of him. I believe that this is what happened. So Ben Fitzgerald texts Chris back and says, hey, Chris, after speaking to my leaders at Bethel Church, I've decided to take this no further with you. Sorry for coming off too strong in the first call. The second I was truly that. The second I was truly from my heart, trying to help take care. So he was on that call, and he says, brother, I really hope someday we can start off on a better foot. What are we looking at here? Chris says, I called Sean Bowles, who we know as a fake prophet pervert who is protected. I will maintain that by Bethel Church. They say they didn't cover it up. It was just like they didn't tell the truth often enough and loud enough and soon enough. And that's not true. They actually covered for him. They gave misinformation to make it look like he was less guilty. It is really bad. Well, here he calls Sean. Sean says, I'll call Bill. Ben. It confirms. I talk to my leaders, and I'm not going to take this any further. Now, perhaps hypothetically, the conversation between Ben Fitzgerald and the leaders wasn't like, hey, Chris, we're covering for Chris because he's a bad guy and we're bad guys. Maybe the conversation was just, hey, Ben, we don't think this is the right thing for you to focus on. It's going to derail you from other ministry purposes. This is something I've heard. I don't know how that conversation went, but the order of events, I'm in trouble. I call Sean. Sean says, I'll call Bill. Then the guy confirms that he talked to Bethel leadership and they talked him down. Even if it wasn't Bill personally, he talked to Bethel leadership. I think that Bill covered up for this. I think It's a reasonable interpretation, especially given what we know about guys like Bob Hartley. Guys like, oh man, Bob Hartley. I have more. I can't even share with you guys what I know about Bob Hartley. Even what you know about Bob Hartley.

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

Hey, listen to me right now. I don't mean that woman to be near me or be with me, but I love to bless and I've worked hard and I would do that. Then I am tempted to say something beforehand because I believe in your heart. So let me know how you feel. Let me know. Okay, this is what it's going to cost.

[Mike Winger]

You should think that this is something Bill probably has done many times. And he did it with Sean Bowles and who knows how many other people he's done this with. It's interesting to ask the question of would Chris lie about this? Is this text message just a lie? I don't believe he would. This message, by the way, it's consistent. It's a consistent statement and claim that goes. It fits consistent with everything. I've asked if. If this is fake. Nope, not fake. There's just some explanation for it. I haven't heard perhaps from Ben. The thing is here, Chris telling me, even privately telling me, I called Sean and Sean said he'd call Bill. And then Ben said, I talked to my leaders and then he apologized and backed off. This does him no favors. This does him no favors at all. He's sharing this because it's already known. He's sharing this because it's been leaked by others. That's the reason why he admits it. I think it implicates Bethel, which is like the gravy train. You don't want to make Bethel look bad as one of these prophets in the movement. It also associates him, Chris Reed, with Sean Bowles as having some sort of like conspiratorial fake prophet thing going on. There's no benefit to him in saying this stuff so minimally. At least Chris thought he was relying on Sean and he heard Sean say, I'll take care of it. And then Ben backed off after talking to his leaders. And I don't have a better interpretation than actual cover up culture taking place. But it gets worse because Bill Johnson endorsed Chris Reid's book right after this. So allow me to show with you to show you this. Bill Johnson endorsing Chris Reed's book. So here I showed you before. But this is the COVID for the book Forward by Bill Johnson Developing youg Prophetic how to Process the Prophetic. It's literally a book on how to have healthy prophecy. I kid you not. It is a mockery. Is a mockery of the work of God. An absolute mockery. Okay. This is the actual endorsement itself. It says, developing youg Prophetic Filter. This is from Bill Johnson is an important book for our time. He has, like, you know, nice things and positive things about the book. And he says at the very end, may we be a people who walk in purity, passion and power, representing Jesus. Well, through the gift of prophecy. The exact opposite in every way of Chris Reed. It is not pure. It is not passion for God, and it is not power. It is fake. At this point, can Bill Johnson or Bethel say, oops, this was merely a mistake? No, this is a pattern. This is a pattern. Remember the timeline compared to Sean bowles. And in 2020, early 2020, around the same time as Bill's finding out about Chris Reed, he also finds out about Sean Bowles. Now, I think he knew maybe before this. I think Bill knew in 2016, actually. Now I've pushed it back further with more conversations with people and witnesses that Sean Bowles was faking prophecy. But let's say he knew in 2020 that Sean Bowles was faking prophecy and that he was this real, sexual, like, oppressive, domineering, deviant, all that stuff. So similar to the situation with Chris Reed. After knowing about Sean Bowles, he goes on to endorse his book on TBN in public and even talks about the amazing life of the author and how it represents, by implication of what he's saying, this, like, perfect understanding, a version of what Christianity would really look like in real life. But you wrote that this was one of the most exciting books that you had. Why was that?

[Chris Reed]

Well, the book by itself is incredible. Knowing the life that backs it up adds a power to it because it's so. It's so practical. It's what you dream of. It's like if you could see, if you could have a perfect relationship with the Lord and see its impact on humanity, that's what it would look like.

[Mike Winger]

He does this and does the same thing with Chris Reed. It's a parallel. It's a pattern. It's a. It is not a fluke. It wasn't a mistake. It wasn't an oopsie. I don't believe that at all. I think that Bill Johnson. I'm going to say this is a devious and twisted man. I'm sorry, I didn't want to say this. I don't like saying it. I believe that it's true and I believe that this is Only one more piece of evidence along those lines and we've got a lot already and there's a lot, lot more that has not been shared. Oddly enough, it was after this that Sean, after Bill knew that Sean was guilty of these things that he was told, don't be part of our ministry. You can't talk at any of our events. You can't talk at our church. Our team can't have anything to do with you. After Chris Valentin is telling people, I don't trust him, he's dangerous. This is what the message is being sent about him. After this, Sean still has place to call up Bill and be like, want to do me a favor? That's the implication of the evidence we have. It seems like the most likely explanation of the evidence we have. And I won't entertain fanciful, wishful thinking explanations on this stuff. Bethel at any time could have come out and warned people about Chris Reed. And if they had, it would have potentially saved a life. So that's the Bethel connection. Now, who is this Chris Reed guy? Let's get into this in more detail. Chris Reed, the guy that Bill Johnson supported after Chris threatened one of Bill's own guys to keep him from exposing him for fake prophecy after then went to endorse his book. Well, he's the kind of guy that cover up culture refuses to expose. He was a rising star, Chris Reed. For a time, he took over MorningStar Church, Morningstar TV and all the various ministries and things that are connected to that. He was a guest, like I mentioned before, on the Sid Roth Show. But I'd like to share more about that now because when you get on the Sid Roth Show, I mean, when Brian Simmons got on the Sid Roth show, that launched the passion translation into the next level, the stratosphere, as far as getting attention, getting sales, that kind of thing. When you get on the Sid Roth show, it is a big deal. You think? I have a lot of subscribers on YouTube. Sid Roth has more than twice as much as me. And he has done a lot, a lot, sadly, a lot of damage, I think, because he constantly brings up kooks and promotes them in front of the world. Kooks is a nice word here, but here in January 29, 2021, he goes on the Sid Roth Show. Remember he said that Sean had talked to Sid Roth for him as well. Well, whatever happened there, he does end up going on the show. Now this was probably recorded earlier, but almost certainly after he had been busted for faking prophecy in 2020. That's not the only Time he appeared on the Sid Roth Show. We can see he also went on sid Roth in 2020 four years later, after he'd been exposed for even more other stuff. We'll talk about later.

[Chris Reed]

At age 12, God called Chris Reed into ministry. Now he's president and director of Morningstar Ministries. And his prophetic gifting, it's very unique. Chris says that God revealed to him what is putting a brake on most Christians. Supernatural gifting.

[Mike Winger]

I want to point out real quick that this is Sid Roth's shtick. The guest comes on, they offer people some, like, sort of increase in their supernatural power or gifting. They connect it typically to a book or a course that they're selling. And in this case, I'll tell you the book because it's trippy. It just shows you the marketing that is behind the faking of prophecy.

[Chris Reed]

And Chris will tell us about the big angel that escorted him to the library in heaven. Chris. I heard a little bit, but I can't wait to hear. And you're doing what the Bible says, the gentile believers, to provoke the Jew to jealousy. But. And I get.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah, so he's Jewish, so he just wants to say he, you know, he's trying to tie scripture into this stuff.

[Chris Reed]

Yeah. So I was caught up in the realm of the spirit, and this angel led me through this door. And just like any library, it was like there were different sections of.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah. So here's the thing. Sid Roth always. Not always, but usually he'll do these, like, reenactments. They'll either hire actors or they'll get footage or use CGI or something. And. And they'll do these reenactments of the things that people describe their supernatural experiences. It really helps sell it, I think. And what he will go on to explain in this interview, I won't play it for you, but Chris Ree will explain how God took him to a library and he saw a book, and it was called something like the Seven Thunders. And this comes from Scripture. Right. So then he takes these thunders and he, after this vision, writes his own book by the same title and sells it.

[Chris Reed]

And.

[Mike Winger]

And he says this will be the key to unlocking the supernatural in everybody's lives because of his. And I won't get into this, but the Manifest Sons theology, the Manifest Sons of God, the Latter Rain movement, this is all tied together. And there he is selling his stuff, selling his merch on the Sid Roth show, and claiming that it was a divine vision. This happened years after he was caught. He's Allowed to peddle this stuff, Gears. He's even endorsed by Francis Chan. I just met Chris Reed.

[Chris Reed]

Your gift in the prophetic. I'm not jealous of the gift. What I marvel at when I think about it is I go, whoa. So at those moments God Almighty speaks to you. 1-3-121 is a number that has just come to me that I believe is

[Mike Winger]

he was on stage there with Mike Bickle. This is in 2021. Again, this is after he was caught. And you can tell he's doing the same shtick. He's doing the same thing as Sean Bulls. He's got these inside Facebook knowledge, significant.

[Chris Reed]

I'll be honest, I'm a little jealous of that. It's the relationship of God trusts you. I don't know. You've never met, you never talked to you, not connected to your life in any way. And you've never told me that you've. I've never met you or seen you in my life. To speak for him. Is anybody here that has the birthday 228 and he talks to you and he tells you something, some of you watching, you'll see him do the prophetic thing. And because you don't believe in the gifts, you distance yourself from him. And again, I'm telling you, you're crazy.

[Mike Winger]

Francis Chan for a long time was considered a well respected person in the Christian church. And when he went out and started endorsing everybody, I mean, he did this with Mike Bickle, he's done it with Bill Johnson, he's done it with Chris Reed, he did it with Benny Hinn. When he started doing this, not only does he say, I think these guys are great. I think that God's using them in wonderful ways. Instead of warning against them, he offers them great support. But he often couples it with shaming anybody who would come against them, anybody who would speak against them, making them feel guilty, like they're offending God, like they're touching someone the Lord loves and is using and that they should be ashamed. That's the typical thing. I want to add also, I didn't put creepy music on this. That's Steve Kozar. That's his style. Messed up church is this YouTube channel. But I'm grateful that he is gathering these clips and, and put them together for us to understand and see.

[Chris Reed]

Misread him. I was told the wrong.

[Mike Winger]

So that's him endorsing Mike Bickle. I won't go more into that, but he endorsed Bickle and again shamed everybody and Francis Chan. I would appeal to you, you should come out and forget the flowery language. You should come out and say in a normal human talks and just say, I endorsed these guys and I was totally deceived. And not only was I deceived, I. I deceived you guys. That's the best case scenarios that you didn't realize, right? See, I just. See, I was deceived and I deceived you guys and I shamed everybody who was trying to raise the red flags, those who actually had discernment. I made you look bad. I made people demonize you. I squelched the wisdom and discernment of my viewers and used the credibility I had to lift up and prop up predators in the body of Christ. That's what you did, bro. Absolutely. There could be grace for that. There'll be grace and forgiveness. But you should come forward. All these leaders that know about other leaders who aren't just flawed, but they're predators and fraudulent, their whole ministries are fries. You all should come forward and just call it out and let the fallout be the fallout. What other option is there? No other good one. Anyways, so Chan endorsed Now read at the time. He's regularly speaking at Mike Bickle's church Now. Mike Bickle again, one of the three big cover up culture groups of churches that I'm talking about, the IHOP churches, some of you've never heard of them. International House of Prayer, right? Not the Superior Pancakes locations. The one in Kansas City, that's Mike Bickle's one. That's like the hub, that's the Mecca for the IHOPs. And he's regularly speaking there and he's trying, it looks like, to get himself into the place where he will actually take over for Mike. Maybe he's like looking for somebody. I want to be the successor of somebody. That's how it looks. And eventually got that with Rick Joyner. But we have evidence that it goes deeper than that. Let me share that with you now. What really is. How deep is his connection is Kreese really? Because here's the thing, people are gonna be like, well, he's just kind of like a rogue agent, right? He's just some random guy. It's not true. So here on your screen is. Let me get a little bit lower. Is a segment from an announcement made which discusses. I think it was Sam Storms that wrote this. Maybe Francis was part of it, part of writing it too. I think he. I don't know. I think it was because we were. Yeah, sorry, I'm just trying to remember.

[Rick Joyner]

All right.

[Mike Winger]

So Sam and Francis Chan. It says here on this public statement about Mike Bickle after he was busted for grooming and using prophecy to be a sexual predator towards women in the teens. Like the. How many of them there were in the teens that we're aware of. And some of them were in their teens when he did it. So Sam and Francis Chan attempted to visit Mike at his home on October 31st. This is for a confrontation. Hey, Mike, we got to talk about that. These allegations look real. We've heard the witnesses. Now we're now wondering if we've got this thing wrong. Maybe you've really done this stuff right. They go to visit and what it says where Chris Reed turned them away at the door. He said that Mike had been instructed not to meet or speak with anyone, which Mike later confirmed in a brief email to Sam. We were subsequently informed that Mike was following the counsel of Eric Voles, who I do not trust and have never trusted, even back when I met him years ago and did not know anything about all this other stuff. So that's the situation he's in. Man. Chris Reid's a significant player in this movement. As much as people are going to try to pretend he isn't and downplay it, he's the guy standing at the door. Barring the entry from Sam Storms and Francis Chan. Sam. Who says he's like his dearest friend, Mike Bickle's dearest friend. It's Chris Reed. Why is he there? Because. Birds of a feather. Because they recognize each other. These guys. That's the most reasonable explanation. They recognize each other and they have found a partner in crime. And this is why he calls who when he's in trouble? Sean Bowles. And who does Sean call? Bill Johnson. Because the rot is worse than you think. And it's not just mistakes that are being made. It's something far darker than that. Let's talk about what Chris did. The first thing we'll talk about. There's a number of things I'll put on this list of things Chris did in late 2021. Chris. And this has been confirmed and even confessed to, to a degree. He. He had a relationship, an inappropriate extramarital relationship with a student. She's an adult, mind you, but she was a student under his pastoral and prophetic care. His version of the story. In our long conversation that he asked if we could have, he says that it was all her. He says, I take full responsibility. But when he describes what happened, it was all her. He says that she called him on Facebook, messenger, instigating the relational connections. She's the one who hugged him, not him hugging her. She kissed him, not him kissing her. She grabbed his hand. Not appropriate for kids. Now, guys, that was your warning. And put it on her lower body, shall we say, over her clothes. And that's when he immediately pulled away and was like, we have to stop this. We have to stop this. Okay, that I believe is not true remotely. And I will link below. This is where she tells her story and it was on the Wake up and Win podcast. I'll link that down below. I'm not going to play all the footage of it. I will share with you something that goes right back to the date and time, which are some of the actual text messages between her and Chris Reed. And we can see that it's not what he said. Now, here's why this matters. When you're a spiritual leader and you not only have a extramarital romantic entanglement, but you instigate it and you do so in a predatory fashion where you target somebody and then you start manipulating them to try to seduce them, which is what I believe Chris did. That puts you in a new category of not only fallen and disqualified, but predator. That's a different thing. We have the word grooming for that often nowadays. But yeah, predator is a perfectly good term. So let me put this on your guys screen. They have a brief chat and as it ends, Chris tells her. And there's nothing significant, really, nothing romantic, nothing at all. But he says, well, there was a purpose for this chat and hopefully many more. She says, amen to that. Is she flirting with him? No, she's got a man who says like, oh, I prophetically, I see things about you and this kind of stuff. And he says, hopefully many more. Chris is the one initially pushing forward the conversation and trying to get it to go into more of a long term thing. He then later says, you bet. Message anytime. Good night. Okay, this is not something she instigated. He did. But at the end of the conversation he says, message anytime. How often do married men tell single women, message me anytime. You know how many times I've done that in my married life? Never. In fact, I don't message single women. The times where I do have correspondence with women, it's because there's some like, specific reason to do so or we're related. And if there's anything at all fishy, my wife sees that message. And this only happened a couple of times where I'm like, honey, you should look at this. This person sent me and that's what you should do, guys. Show it to your wife right away. Then we have this message. And here he says he's trying to like, probe, right? I felt like something's wrong, you're bothered, like, how can I pray? Oh, I know that you're going through a battle kind of stuff, right? And then he says, text me. And he starts to elevate this to being personal cell phone number. I'll be glad to help. I can't extend my, my time personally to everyone because Chris is a mega celebrity in the Morningstar culture at this time. He's mega celebrity, okay? Absolute celebrity. Everywhere he goes, people want to see him, talk to him, be around him. And he goes, but he tells her, I feel like I am for you. Now, she's going through all sorts of different things and she does want prayer and she does want help, and probably more pastoral help at this time. But he has really begun the seduction. What married man says to a single woman, I feel like I am for you. Or what married man asks a woman the following question. Just curious here. He's just curious. Do you have a foot tattoo? I'm just asking. I know, that's a weird question. Chris Reed was instigating seduction tactics here. That's my opinion. I think it seems pretty obvious once she starts texting him, that's when things turn much darker and explicit sexual texts are given. The one that was mentioned is him talking about wanting to restrain her physically on a bed and da, da, da, da, da, da. Okay, Chris is an instigator. He over, over the call with me years later, after he supposedly repented of this. He acts like she was the instigator, but the evidence says otherwise. That's important to know. Now let's talk about how he covered this up, or how they perhaps I should say covered this up. Late in 2021. This happens, okay? It does get somewhat physical. I don't want to discuss all the details there. It wasn't everything you can imagine and it wasn't non physical either. So in late 2021, that happened. It was only a few months after Chris Reed came to Morningstar. Now imagine this, a few months after coming to a new church where you're going to be installed as, like you're coming as the big guy, the head dog, the new, the new, you know, one who's going to take over and be the man, the man of God. You start seducing one of the people under your pastoral care just a few months in, but in early 2022, Morningstar finds out about this and Rick Joyner says that he's going to send him through an 18 month process. An 18 month restoration process. In fact, he says it did happen. It was an 18 month restoration process. That is not true. Rick Joyner is not being honest with anybody when he says that sort of thing. In reality, Rick made sure that it stayed amongst a very small number of people that knew about this. It was very, very, very small. It wasn't the board. The board didn't know. The rest of the church didn't know. It was just a very small clust. During that time, he did not have an 18 month restoration process or even any extended accountability. I'll talk about some details now and I hope you guys stick around. There's a lot more coming, but we need to get these. These details are important because it shows the cultural nature of the COVID up stuff. When you have the gifted man of God, even though he might get caught, don't say anything. Even though he might get busted with sin like this, how quiet can we keep it because we still want him on stage. So Morningstar, or more importantly, Rick Joyner, thought it was okay for him to continue. Rick Joyner, within a couple months, he installs Chris as acting president. Within a couple months of finding out about him doing this, acting president of Morningstar, and a while thereafter, it becomes more official. Rick Joyner has done this many times. Rick Joyner is one of the kingpins of COVID up culture. He did this with Mike Bickle. He's done this with Todd Bentley even recently. Mike Bickle, serial sexual predator who fakes prophecy and lies and manipulates young girls and tells them, oh, God told me my wife's going to die and you're going to be the replacement. And he's told this to many girls, ply them with alcohol and perhaps with something more aggressive than that. That guy, Mike Bickle. Rick Joyner says it's time to restore him. He's already saying this. The dude just got busted, right? Just got pulled from ministry. He's saying it's already time to restore him. Todd Bentley, he's tried multiple times to put Todd back on stage. His people won't tolerate it yet, but Rick, I think, is waiting for the time when you guys will. And Todd Bentley will be back in Morningstar unless you do something about it. Todd Bentley, very evil guy. You guys can just Google it. So his 18th month restoration process, what did it entail? Well, it entailed two guys that he was supposed to be personally accountable to. However, two months later, they may be met once or twice. But then two months later, Chris Reed takes over the president, acting president position and he is now in authority over these guys. And so they have no ability to hold him accountable to anything. He's literally their boss at this point. So that was done. Rick did that completely on his own. The accountability guys didn't agree to that. The board didn't know what he had done. And so Rick just put him right into that role. And let's talk about why Rick does this. Why does Rick Joyner repeatedly restore predators into ministry?

[Rick Joyner]

Because we believe in Galatians 6:1, where it says, brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness. Each one look into yourself so that you too will not be tempted.

[Mike Winger]

I want to highlight he's going to explain this himself, but I want us to not miss it. Any trespass, meaning it doesn't matter what the sin they did was. Because there are things to me, once you do them, you're disqualified forever as a leader. You molest a child, you're not going to be in leadership. Easy, right? There's things where you go, yeah, that's crossing the line. We would never. There's other things that we could see, forgiveness and restoration to leadership. But what he does is he takes Galatians and he says, any sin, so embarrassing. If anyone's caught up in any sin, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, which is about restoring them in their walk with Christ, not restoring them to ministry. And it doesn't mean wash the sin to the side and just put him back in ministry. It's about getting them to repent and turn from that sin and be restored to Christ. That's all it's about. Rick takes it as marching orders for restoring predators into positions of power in the church. I kid you not, this is cover up culture. And it's not just Rick Joyner. I think this is also Bill Johnson. I think this is also other big church ministries. Their, their opinions about this.

[Rick Joyner]

Now, this includes the words anyone, which includes anyone. And you know, caught in any trespass, get them back, restore them. And that means more than forgive them. It means get them back from where they fell.

[Mike Winger]

But that means put him back in leadership.

[Rick Joyner]

You know, he was being prepared to take over the leadership of the ministry and all. Well, all that was put on hold during this process. And after a little time, we made him acting president.

[Mike Winger]

It was about two months later, maybe, maybe three, that after they found out

[Rick Joyner]

acting president Acting CEO, because that was part of the, the process. And I honestly wanted to see how he's going to behave when he gets authority. Is, you know, is he going to do another stupid thing like this?

[Mike Winger]

This is Rick Joyner and Cover Up Culture's philosophy about restoring leaders. Put them into positions of power where they can re victimize other people. The victim can just go away. They're not an elite. They're not an elite leader. They can just disappear, go away, whatever. Do what you guys want. Get this guy back into positions of power and let's just see if he hurts more people. I don't know. Maybe he will, maybe not. That's part of what restoration is to them. They think, and I've heard Bethel leadership say the same, they believe that it's important to put leaders into power positions as a way of getting them to be restored in their walk with God and in their like, integrity. That is the opposite of biblical requirements. So scripturally, character requirements come first and then leadership comes second. You don't give them leadership as a way of developing those character qualities that are qualifications for leadership. That's why if an elder, someone desires to be an elder, they need to be. And here's a list. I have a list of requirements. They got to be these things or they can't be an elder. Cover Up Culture does the opposite.

[Rick Joyner]

But that was part of the process. Some people have a concept of ministry that if you put someone in ministry, that you're exalting them, you're lifting them up. True New Testament biblical ministry is the opposite. It's the opposite. And I believe I've seen people put in ministry as a part of their restoration process, true ministry, ministry, which is sacrifice, taking up your cross, learning to serve others. It really helps them to get through that.

[Mike Winger]

And this is mostly gibberish, okay? The reality is ministry is an authority position. It's not, it's not like you're high up, like lofty, but it is an authoritative position. And when you're in authority over people, you have to be trustworthy. That's a pretty easy thing. Rick, even secular people know this, right? When you put someone in charge of children, they better be safe for children to be around. When you put someone in charge of the local church, the body of Christ, in your local fellowship, they better be safe and healthy and good for the body of Christ. The body isn't there to be served up on a platter to maybe see if their character is okay or not.

[Rick Joyner]

And we've seen tremendous results in a restoration process by doing that at times,

[Mike Winger]

the results that you've sometimes seen are guys like Todd Bentley and Mike Bickle. And now Chris Reed just goes on now, 15 months after they found out that he had done this, he's officially made president. He says it was an 18 month restoration. I don't know how he's counting that math. Fifteen months later, he's. Two months later he's brought into as acting president. Then he becomes officially president of Morningstar, which later, of course, he fails and falls from. And we'll talk about that. But this is how Rick Joyner in more recent years and times addresses these issues where he. Again, this is part of the video that I just showed you a clip of. But it's more recent. This is more recent. He's kind of like dealing with the aftermath now. Now everybody knows what Rick did, and he's trying to explain it to his church because they were kept in the dark before he blames God. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Rick Joyner]

But anyway, I feel like things were done that should have disqualified Chris from being made the leader of this ministry. I would that I had the discernment. I didn't, I didn't discern these things. I asked the Lord, because sometimes, you know, it, things look one way and I understand they're another. And I did ask, lord, lord, you have to make manifest the truth in this or any deception or whatever. And I trusted the Lord to do it. Guess what? He did. I just didn't ask him to do it. Then I forgot to say, do it now. And he happened to wait until this, now,

[Mike Winger]

This is your leader. I prayed that God would expose him, but I just forgot to say, do it now. Like, I mean, I just forgot to add that part into my prayer. Because God's like the genie in a bottle and you give him your wish and if you don't word it just perfectly, he's like, sure, I'll expose him. But you didn't say, now, is this the logic behind it? Rick is in la la land and you cannot follow a leader that's in spiritual la la land. It's dangerous for everybody. As has been proven, Rick's ministry is now facing a very large number of allegations of child molestation and whatnot. And under Rick's leadership, which they will plead that they didn't know, of course they would. But when you have patterns like this, patterns of behavior, of putting people in front of others and not protecting them, it's on you. Is absolutely on you. So things are known about Chris. A lot more could be known about Chris at this time. If people bothered paying attention or if they just said what they knew. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these leaders know more about Chris than they were letting on. If Rick in particular did, again, it was after this. He goes on. He writes his book Seven Spirits of God. He goes on the Sid Roth show. That book is endorsed by Lance Wall now Paul, Keith Davis, Chuck Pierce and Kinfish. And Rick Joyner actually writes the foreword to that book and supports it in 2024. And now we come to another piece of the puzzle. I'll talk more about the drugs, the evidence of faking prophecy. I'll show how he fakes prophecy. We'll talk about the testimony of a man that died in relation to a fake prophecy from Chris. All that's coming. But I want to just show a couple clips that someone put together showing Chris telling different versions of the same story about this woman and his interaction with her. And this is very relevant because I think there have been many women. That's my view. And I'll tell you why I think it in a moment. But look at the inconsistent statements from Chris. I want to demonstrate lies, not only because these lies matter, but because it shows a pattern of behavior. And you need to know when your prophet is a liar. You got to know a few years

[Chris Reed]

ago, the biggest mistake in my life was I let my guard down and a texting conversation went the wrong way and I had to stop. It wasn't nobody's fault but my own. And I had to stop. And thank God it didn't become anything more. It didn't become anything more. It didn't become anything more.

[Mike Winger]

That's before. That's earlier. Okay, that's 2024. Chris Reed.

[Chris Reed]

But you never know what's in your heart at any given moment.

[Mike Winger]

CS okay, this is 2025, Chris Reed.

[Chris Reed]

There was kissing involved. Rick knew that. Tom and Justin knew that. That was stated back then in 2021.

[Mike Winger]

So what was it? Kissing? Not kissing, Only texting. Was it all her? And she aggressively did everything. He lies every step of the way. He only admits what he has to. And this is why you will never get all of the guilt of Chris Reed. It's never going to come out because he'll never admit to it. He'll only go, how much do you know? Okay, I did that part. Oh, you know the other thing. Okay, I did that too. But it wasn't what you think. He did some bad stuff with this. I have reason to believe, good reason to believe. Chris has done this with three women at Morningstar, just in his short tenure of time there, that he tried to seduce three different women, including the one that we know about, that is more public. I also have multiple witnesses that say there were other women before Chris even moved to Morningstar, when he was at his previous church. In other words, this prophet is a. He's a seductive prophet. He targets women is what it looks like, and he tries to get them prophetically connected. I have a word for you. I want to share you. A special word. Will you wait after, or can I get your message? I don't have time to tell you tonight. Can I get your number? I'll tell you later. A special word for you. That kind of behavior can happen with the prophet, and then he can then begin to wear you down. Tell me about what you're struggling with. See, he's getting deeper into your relational connection area. Women. Right. And he's doing so under the guise of, I'm going to pray for you, or God is for you, and I'm for you, and all this kind of thing. This has happened many times, it seems, in Chris Reid's life. It may be happening right now. Maybe you're watching this and you're one of the women. He's done this, too, and. And I'm very sorry if that's you. Don't give up on all things. Just realize what it was. Don't let it happen again. Repent and apologize to whoever you have to, and get rid of the manipulation that's still left over in your mind that Chris did to you. That's really important. So Chris resigns. Stuff's blowing up at Morningstar. He doesn't stick around. I keep saying he was the former president of Morningstar. That's because he leaves. And the reason why he leaves is partly, or at least what he says to others is because all these allegations of sexual abuse inside their church come forward. And he goes, I don't want to be part of this. I'm Mr. Clean over here. I didn't do anything. And I don't want to be managing this huge disaster. The church is getting sued by its own members now. I don't want to be part of this. So he bails immediately. I mean, days after he bails, it comes out. This woman goes, he's not telling the truth. This is what happened with us. That's when it gets blown up. And then you start to go, what, really. What was the real reasons for him leaving? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But he takes off from Morningstar immediately. Is he being corrected? Is he being sat down in ministry? No, no, no. Chris Reed plants another church. Instantaneously, he plants another church, and that's where we get the drug problems. So there are plural. Multiple witnesses who've told me that this has been going on for many years, and he had a prescription drug problem. He's admitted publicly to having a problem with Kratom or Kratom, which I don't know much about, but that's just the scapegoat, according to these witnesses. And also I've seen footage where in 2016, he admits that in the past, before 2016, he had a prescription drug problem. And so it just seems as though it continued on for a long time. In fact, I called Chris Reed out. Some of you guys might remember this. In my video on Sean Bowles and Bethel, I called out Chris Reed for faking tongues in his church service, which I'm convinced 100% he did. He faked Russian and he told people to move to his church. And I gave a full analysis of this in my video. Maybe I'll drop a clip here after I'm doing the editing. You have Chris Reed, more on that. Who tried to bribe the guys from the Remnant Radio when they were trying to expose him for being a fake prophet. But there are other allegations that we

[Remnant Radio Member]

are aware of that have come to us. This will be news for the public. This will be news for everyone. Nobody knows this. So you might have heard us online talk about knowing that someone has cheated prophetically. Allegations were brought to us from multiple sources. So we had logged a bunch of information suggesting that Chris Reed had mined information online in his prophetic words. We were informed that Rick Joyner knew about this data mining, that, that Chris had already confessed this even before taking the job at Morningstar. And so we said, yeah, but what have you done to make it right with the victims? But there was a couple of other things that happened in this exchange. One, I got some really. When Chris, he found out that I was asking questions about him, that I was poking around, one of the people that I have interviewed and asked questions about called up Chris and told him what I was doing. Chris then sent me some really strange text. Hey, I know that you're investigating me. Hey, I know that.

[Chris Reed]

And.

[Remnant Radio Member]

And there was, like, a offer to give me money via PayPal, which is exactly what he did.

[Mike Winger]

What's your Cash app?

[Remnant Radio Member]

Yeah, well, it's through PayPal, through Cash App. What's your Venmo? It was all those kind of things. And when we confronted Chris about that, he said, well, you know, I just kind of had this idea that you're supposed to bless those who persecute you. And I felt like you guys were persecuting me about something that I had already repented for and tried to own. What was also happening was that there was information that we didn't know, that there was these other allegations of grooming this woman who was a student at the School of Ministry at Morningstar, that he had done the same thing, offered her money. You know, there was. It was like one allegation was siloed from the other allegation. And those who were bringing this allegation forward didn't know about this other one over here. And so what you're seeing is, collectively, this is a person who's caught and is trying to get his way out of it without it becoming public. And even in the midst of this, I begged Chris. I said, chris, I. I don't know what the right answer is. I do think this needs to be made public. I'm begging you to make this public. He said, I understand. I said, listen, this is going to haunt you the rest of your life. Either you do this, or someone will.

[Chris Reed]

Who?

[Mike Winger]

Who? I just saw a video yesterday of him apparently faking, speaking in tongues in Russian, because it seems he knew there would be a Russian guy present. So he says a phrase in Russian that is like, you should move and come to this church. And he says, that's for the online audience. God's calling you to move and come to my church. Same old, same old, right? It's always, move here, move here. That's the big thing.

[Chris Reed]

I can't just let go until I feel the release of the Holy Spirit.

[Mike Winger]

Now, this video was just sent to me. It actually just happened at Chris Reed's new church. And somebody who, quote, has been close to Chris Reed for a few years now, sent this to me. I have to read carefully what he said. This is what I was told. He believes this to be false and was concerned enough to raise the alarm. He reached out to somebody and sent the video, which then ended up with me. This is someone that thought what Chris did here was so bad and so wrong that he needed to raise the alarm. So let me show you the reason why this is cause for concern.

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Chris Reed]

PRIZVATI.

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

SA PRATIV

[Mike Winger]

now he's waiting for interpretation. And at first, no one speaks, and then a woman in his congregation gives an interpretation that doesn't satisfy Chris. And so, as you seek these things,

[Chris Reed]

deal with them in your own heart

[Mike Winger]

and by the spirit and by my word. So because this isn't the interpretation he wants, he's waiting for more,

[Chris Reed]

man. There's a weight of glory.

[Mike Winger]

He decides to say it again. And if you look, it looks very clearly like he's reading this off of the platform in front of him. This woman actually goes to interpret it again. And so you see, it will be like this.

[Rick Joyner]

You will deal with those things in the spirit and it will be released in your.

[Mike Winger]

What's funny here is this is a different interpretation than the one she brought before, even though he said the exact same thing.

[Rick Joyner]

And you will know me and they will see the love of God in

[Mike Winger]

you and declare Christ is in their midst.

[Chris Reed]

Hallelujah. Say it again. Get somebody get him a mic, please. Help me. Back there, back there.

[Mike Winger]

So this is the pivot moment. This guy says it's Russian and immediately Chris says, say it again. This is. This, I believe, is what he was waiting on the whole time. You're going to see this was a well orchestrated planned out thing. So this comes with a request, right? The woman did not get a microphone. Not at all. He just let her talk. What happens when Chris sees that there's a guy who says it's Russian? He gets very excited. He gets him a microphone. And notice that right there he goes rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks in tongues, he speaks quiet. He speaks kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead this time when he speaks in Russian, he speaks very clearly. He doesn't speak walking around. He speaks while looking at his pulpit. Everything about this looks sketchy. It was the Russian.

[Chris Reed]

Which was Russian. Was it the one that. Who gave the Russian?

[Mike Winger]

You said twice. It was the same sentence. It's in Russian. I called you to be here while you resist me.

[Chris Reed]

Wow.

[Mike Winger]

It was twice. You said this twice in Russian.

[Chris Reed]

I said it twice?

[Mike Winger]

Yes, the same sentence.

[Chris Reed]

I do not know Russian. Yeah, you could probably tell by my accent. And once again, I.

[Mike Winger]

I called you to be here.

[Chris Reed]

I called you to be here.

[Mike Winger]

Why you resist me?

[Chris Reed]

Why do you resist me?

[Mike Winger]

Yeah, I called you to be here. Why do you resist me? This is a request for people to move to his church. Remember I told you about the come here strategy? This is part of it right here. This is Chris Reed doing it.

[Chris Reed]

That's someone online.

[Mike Winger]

Yeah,

[Chris Reed]

and God put a Russian speaking person in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds like Acts 2 to me. We do hear these men. Are they not Galileans? Speak in our language. The wonderful works of God.

[Mike Winger]

And this is where the payoff comes, because if he gets people online. Okay, this is all. Of course, all my commentary here is based upon observation and what it looks like to me. I think that this is accurate. This makes the most sense, and it fits with the person who has known him for years. Who sent this to us? Well, to someone who sent it to me, I'll just say that. And this just happened. I didn't know about this until, like, yesterday. This just happened. And this is the Come here strategy. I want people online to come here. And it gets a bit more deep because Chris has just left Morningstar Church, and that's Rick Joyner's church. He left kind of disgraced. Morningstar is in a bunch of turmoil because Rick Joyner has put up predators and put them into his congregation, and his own people are now suing him because of that. So this come here thing looks like it's directed at Morningstar and other churches because he wants to get his own thing going.

[Chris Reed]

It goes along with what he preached. What did I say? One more time. I'm so drunk.

[Mike Winger]

To me, like, Chris just knew that a Russian speaker would be there. That second time you said we really? Well, I mean, it was real clear to hear. It was like, I call you to be here. Why you resist? Why do you resist?

[Chris Reed]

I call you to be here. Why do you resist? Let me tell you, there are. I'm pointing to camera three right now. I say this in the fear of God. There are people. You just heard a tongue go forth. And I believe in tongues and interpretation. That's happened here today. But we actually have someone here who speaks fluent Russian. That wasn't tongues and interpretation. That was tongues and translation. I don't know Russian one bit. I barely know English. But there are people that are watching. And you are invested, or at least you think you are, and you think your money has tied you down. I've put too many years. I've put too much money in another thing, in another place, and you're plugging holes in a sinking ship.

[Mike Winger]

I'm informed that this most likely is going to be interpreted as him referring to Morningstar Church.

[Chris Reed]

But the people that are in the ship don't know it's sinking until it goes under.

[Mike Winger]

So he used to be the guy at Morning Star, and he left, and now he's trying to get people to join him until

[Chris Reed]

everybody that's in the ship is hoping that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm not speaking about any one ministry There are others. There are several. There are people that God is calling here to form this body. I've called you here. Why do you resist? That's what it said. But man, I tell you, there are people that are listening right now. Don't let a lie keep you from following God.

[Mike Winger]

Again, this commentary is based upon what looks to be the case and makes a lot of sense with this guy's track record. He is manipulating the people of God. He's doing this not in the fear of God, but for ulterior motives. And I feel bad for the Russian in the audience who thinks he just participated in something wonderful and amazing and from the Holy Spirit. This is why we have to blow up cover up culture. Because if the leaders who had been over and around Chris Reeve would call him out as they should, he would never have a platform to manipulate people like this. Okay, so that clip that was in my video that went up on Sean Bulls weeks ago. That video was seen by Chris, it seems, and the next day he shows up to teach at his church on Sunday morning. And I saw this, and it seems that maybe he's agitated because I've called him out in a video that's going viral and it's very embarrassing, perhaps for him, although I believe it's all true. He shows up and he appears to be high during church service. Let me give you some reason to

[Chris Reed]

think that I even have my palm branch here for show and tell. No, I'm kidding. It is raining cats and dogs outside. Let me skip on down because I didn't put it in the PowerPoint. I lost track of the place where it speaks of the seven sons of Sceva. Forgive me. What verse? Verse 13 and 14. Thank you for your help. So I got to verse 12 and I only needed two more. That's how it works now. When Paul and his company loosed. Am I right? I'm in chapter 13. Oh my goodness. You can tell I did this late last night. So Acts 19 is up here. I'm reading from Acts 13 on here. Forgive me. I'll straighten up. It'll get better.

[Mike Winger]

But I also have a video where I'm going to show what I believe is Chris going from a state of sober to a state of some sort of intoxication. I'm not saying it's alcohol, but some kind of like drug influence. That seems very obviously true. This first clip, I guess I recorded it while I was playing it at 1.8 speed, so it's a little fast, but you can see that Chris on his face the next clip will be fine, but this one's a little bit quick. His eyes, his speech. He's fine, he's sober, he's normal, he's clear.

[Chris Reed]

No, you probably can't see it there. Probably have to do two again.

[Mike Winger]

He's doing a live stream here and he's about to let his buddy hear Jack share a message.

[Chris Reed]

So that's December 31, 2019. You can see that. So that's.

[Mike Winger]

Notice he's using his notepad on his phone. This is his prophetic trick. We'll come back to this later. This is what he does. He goes, look at the date on the. It's December 31, 2019. See, I prophesied this ahead of time because he uses the iPhone notepad and says, you can't change those dates and

[Chris Reed]

we'll receive more freedom and more rights there. But there's. There's not an end to major explosions coming, more nuclear plants being taken out. Out. I know there's one they haven't touched yet. Bashir Nuclear plant. God had showed me some things about. They're afraid of leakage from them. That's one of the main ones. Like, I think it's B U S H E H R But he seems

[Mike Winger]

to be clear in his mind and his eyes. All right, the next one is going to be an event that happens in the same video, but this happens a little while later. So what happens is Chris leaves and for like, I don't know, 30 minutes or so, it's. He allows this guy Jack to talk. He allows him to speak and to be in charge of giving the message. This is the message portion. Chris goes away. As soon as he starts wrapping it up, Chris shows up again. And he appears very much high, has

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

made his way back over to us. Wow.

[Chris Reed]

Yes, sir. I listened every bit downstairs just because I didn't want you to feel like you had to be rushed or anything.

[Mike Winger]

He's giving excuse as to why he wasn't even in the room. He left entirely. He says he listened downstairs, but. But I think he was doing something that he didn't want to be in the room for.

[Chris Reed]

You feel like you got out of you. What?

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

I. I think so. I'm. There's a few more stories, but I'll save them for next time.

[Rick Joyner]

Right.

[Chris Reed]

I tell you.

[Mike Winger]

Yes, sir.

[Chris Reed]

What you were sharing was inspiring. I know it inspired the people. People that are listening. Did you have a couple of words of knowledge?

[Mike Winger]

Now he's asking him to give a few words of knowledge. And is this at this moment, where if you'll just honestly just watch Chris's face, maybe I can make it a little bit easier for you to see it. Yeah. Got a couple of things that I believe the Lord has shown me. In fact, I'm just going to mute his sound. He's going to talk about things he thinks God showed him. And Chris is going to reveal what on earth is going on with this guy. You could say he looks like he's tired or something. He was fine a minute ago. Now what's he doing with his jaw, his eyes? He seems like, dude, dude seems high. He seems absolutely high. Guy sitting next to him, Jack Linder, that is right now his singular, according to my witnesses, accountability partner, to keep him from using drugs. Jack Linder sitting right next to him. This is the weird wild world of fake prophecy. You can just see him struggling to stay alert. This is not unheard of. Even to the people in his own congregation. They know he's admitted that he uses Kratom, that he's used that. But it's more than that, guys. It's more than that. It's longer than that. And it's happened since he's admitted it. The issue here is that you have a guy who's supposed to be acting prophetically, acting as a leader in the discourse of his duties under the influence. That is something that's deeply problematic. Now this drug thing gets especially problematic when you consider that he's done it in the course of prophesying, in the course of ministering, in the course of teaching. My heart goes out to anybody who has a drug problem, want to get you help. But there's a reason why you can't have that problem and drive a car. Same reason why you can't have that problem and be the guy in charge of the spiritual well being of everybody in the room. That's a dangerous thing for others. That's when your personal problem that we want you to get help for becomes a problem for everybody. Crazy that the guy's supposed to hold him accountable is Jack Linder right there. All right, I want to talk about how Chris threatened me prophetically. First thing he did was he used a note. He. He used a note. So let's look at the video where he actually does this. He did this on camera and he suggests that God gave him a prophetic word about Mike Winger before Mike Winger made a video that featured in a very small part, featured Chris Reed.

[Chris Reed]

So I come to you humbly Today, tonight. It's 3:30 in the morning. Friday, January 23rd, 3rd and there was, you know, already one video that went out this week that attacked about every minister that is alive.

[Mike Winger]

You know, he's talking about my video. I don't believe these tears, by the way, but that's. Maybe that's personal experience. When I talked to Chris, he cried three times on the phone or on the. On the zoom call. And one of the times it was really odd because as he cried and he kind of, like, looked like, peeked up like this. Like, he went, he's crying. He goes. Like he was peeking to see if I was responding. It just felt fake.

[Chris Reed]

When you're attacked in a list with people whose names are Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, Rick Joyner, Mike Bakel, Paul Kane, Chris Reed, Bob Jones, one William Branham, John Lindell, Patricia King, Stacy Campbell, Cheon Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Michael Kulianis, Danny Silk, Sid Roth, Teresa Dedman, Marilyn Hickey, Emma Stark, Todd White, Sean Foyt. That was posted six days ago.

[Mike Winger]

That was me. I posted on social media a list of names that would come up in the coming video. I thought it was important to draw the right attention to it,

[Chris Reed]

as you can see. And I have to say about Mr.

[Mike Winger]

Winger,

[Chris Reed]

there's many things that he said that I agree with. I wish. I would love to meet him. I would think. I think he would find that I'm not this terrible, evil person that he thinks that I am.

[Mike Winger]

We did meet for about two hours, and for the first hour and 40, 45 minutes of it, he talked and I just listened.

[Chris Reed]

But you can look this up now. I screenshotted this. It says 51 minutes ago, but I screenshotted this last Friday when he posted it.

[Mike Winger]

Here it comes.

[Chris Reed]

Now. Last Friday would have been. This is 16th of January. I'm going to share with you a prophetic encounter I had minutes before the 15th. The date at the top is January 14th.

[Mike Winger]

So he's showing you an iPhone note. This is a real iPhone note. For those who are thinking it's photoshopped, that's not the trick. This is a real iPhone note, and if you take an iPhone note, it will always show the date on your iPhone on the note. And so he's saying, this is proof that I had this vision from God before, and he's going to read it to you now. This is a. It's a fake prophecy about me, including a threat from God to me. And I'm sharing this not because of a personal thing. Actually, Chris has done this to a lot of people, and I would like those people to watch this video and know Guys, that was fake. You can ignore it. You're free. He has no power over you.

[Chris Reed]

At 11:53pm So I was seven minutes away from it being January 15th. So there's going to be people that will say, almost a day off. I was a day and seven minutes off. I just had a vision of his initials. MW is going to release a video to expose me. No one has told me this. This has become his M.O. he's attacked just about every leader that I can think of. And I know this is a warning to pray against it. He will dig up as much past as possible and people will see through it. Lord, I ask in Jesus name that you stop Mike from releasing this video to attack me or at least minimize any harm to me or my family.

[Mike Winger]

I want you guys to notice the manipulative nature of bringing up family. So let me give you an example. When Chris Reed, the fake prophet, brings up me as an enemy of the work of God, as a leech and a vampire, he'll talk about later. Do you think that might have an effect on my family, people believing that? But I don't bring that up. You know why? Because it's inappropriate. First we must establish the truth of the thing. Then we can talk about the effect it has on people. Because if in fact you are guilty of these things, the effect it has on your family is your fault. If you're innocent, then it's the fault of the accuser, the person who's accusing you. But it's just manipulative to bring it up.

[Chris Reed]

That's my mom in May, and I already struggle with PTSD from the mounting events over the last year.

[Mike Winger]

Plus, so I struggle. I lost my mom. I've lost my mom too, Chris. I would never bring that up in this context. It's manipulative.

[Chris Reed]

There have been days I've even prayed for you to take me home. The fact that I'm recording this vision beforehand should show that the prophetic is real, of which he will try to prove his fake or data mined, and that the Lord is very, very angry with him in these endless campaigns against many ministries.

[Mike Winger]

Did you hear that? The Lord is very angry at me and my endless campaigns against many ministries. I do believe that God, as far as I know, to the best of my knowledge, would be pleased with what I'm doing because I'm following scripture and I pray I do it well. But that's a threat. Threatening the anger of God against me. That's a threat. Now, if this is real, thank you for the warning. If it's fake. God doesn't take it lightly when you use his name in vain.

[Chris Reed]

There's no way I could have known that he would release a video against me. Talking about, when Mike responds to this, he'll release a video against me. He of all people would know that. So I created a time stamp note. The day before he'll release the video, the Lord still reveals the secrets from the house chamber of the enemies of the true prophetic. In the video, he'll be wearing a light blue shirt. Look at the bottom right screen. Now, this is time stamped January 14, 2026 at 11:53pm I'll be honest with you. You can say I was a day off, that's fine. We know in part, we prophesy in

[Mike Winger]

part, I thought, basically he's got this note. It's got the date before I did my video. Is it coming up next? Yeah, it's coming up. Real. Yeah, it's coming up next. Okay, this will be where we reveal his. His number one trick, how he makes these fake notes.

[Chris Reed]

It was the 15th. I was seven minutes away. I said he'd release it the next day. Well, the next day he puts out this post of all these names that he's going to release. And he said he had more to add. That's why he's releasing it the next day. At least that's how I understand it.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, that was the prophecy and the threat, right? I spoke to multiple witnesses who are genuinely afraid of Chris. When you have a guy who wields for some, you just dismiss him. Oh, he's a prophet. Okay, but imagine if you believe that that guy might actually be a prophet and he speaks to you in God's name. Threats like the following. That would terrify you. This would cause you to lose sleep. This would cause you to be afraid for your children, the safety of your own relatives. And that's what he does. He is a prophetic terrorist. He's a fake prophet and a prophetic terrorist. That's what I will maintain. And he does this fake note thing all the time. He uses it all the time. In fact, on his webpage, you can see. I'll show you this. You can see he's using this fake note thing right now. Although maybe he'll edit it after I put this video up, who knows? But here it is. This is on his actual webpage. I just did a screen grab where he has three different notes where they're all iPhone notepad things and they're all dated at the top to before events happened. Now he always shows us these notes after the events happen. But the notes are dated to before the events happening. And you trust. Okay, well, that's probably real, isn't it? So I made one. This is how easy this trick is. You go into your phone and you go to the settings, and you change the date and time. You change the date and time to before today, sometime in the past. Then you add whatever you want into that thing. You can say, set the date to any date you want and make up any fake prophecy you want. I'll give you an example of how I did this, okay? And I'm going to hold it up to the screen here so you can see it really is real. I'll hold it up to the camera, rather. This is from 2016, 10 years ago. I prophesied. Okay, so check this out right there. See the top of the screen? January 14, 2016, 11:38pm 10 years from now, Chris Reed will fake a prophecy about Mike Winger. He'll do this by changing the date in his iPhone so that his note will appear to be prior to the events he pretends to prophesy about. He will wear a royal blue shirt and cry. What? It's not just a Photoshop. This is like an actual note. I could edit the note. In fact, I'll do it right now. Edit the note, and I'll save it. And guess what? It just changed dates. Now it's February 22, 2026. Proof, undeniable proof. Chris tells me there's been documentaries on his notes, on his notes, which can't be faked, according to him. I tried to call him out on this on Facebook, and I'm going to show you guys the exchange once you see it for what it is. Listen, this will stop people from being afraid of this guy. I'm confident of it. Because when you realize how fake it is, you're like, oh, my gosh. This is like seeing the wizard of Oz behind the curtain is what it's like. So here we go. Put this on your screen. Chris Reed, in the video that I just showed you, where he puts up the notepad. I put a comment on that video on Facebook. I said, check out my prophecy from 10 years ago. The fake note. Prophecy is easy. I believe this is what Chris did in his video, and he's done it many times before. What hubris. And I put it right there. You know, 10 years from now, Chris, blah, blah, blah. Chris actually responded. Now, you notice there's no likes because I'm hidden on his Facebook page. But he can See it? And he replied. He says, mike Winger, great. Can you scroll up and down and show it's an actual note? I've had documentaries done showing my note app and how it pulls up and down timestamped prophecies. And while we're at it, I told you we were talking in my studio through Zoom and on my laptop. Okay, this is a recording issue. I'll come back to that later. All right, so our conversation continues. And here Chris puts a video. And in that video, he's moving the notepad up and down. I can't play it now because he deleted this whole post. But. But in this video, he does that. Now I respond with my own video. He puts his video. I put my video. And I can't play it here because after I did, I made a video of me moving it up and down to show it's the same as his. He immediately deleted this entire thread. Our conversation here no longer exists. I've showed you guys that I can, in fact, reproduce the same thing, and you could, too. It's very easy. It's not a difficult prophecy thing to fake at all. It's very simple and easy. That is how easy it is for this guy to do his shtick, because discernment has been squashed in the movement, and accountability doesn't exist, because when a leader goes south or does something wrong, it stays as quiet as humanly possible. And when you have things like fraudulent ministry, you have to rebuke them in the presence of all. Like Scripture says, you have to do what Matthew 18 says in the third step, where you tell it to the brethren. There's a warning that has to go out when you have this kind of egregious type of sin going on. Now, I want to be clear the reason why I'm sharing some of these things here, because some, I fear, may not fully immediately see the need to expose this kind of thing. Chris is lying in the name of God, but he also just lies about random stuff. He lies about the sin that he's committed. He lies about people and individuals and the things that they're doing. To show this pattern of deception is going to be important, because as I show how he contributed to basically making a pastor's life very rough and difficult and devastating and. And also contributed to the death of one of his friends because of a fake prophecy. This track record of lies that I'm showing you is significant and important in helping establish these things, because it must be known that Chris Reed should never, ever be in ministry in any way shape or form in the future. He cannot be trusted. You can't trust a man like this. You cannot trust a man like this. Not with leadership, not with spiritual authority. That can't ever happen. He needs to be done forever, period. And if any way, shape or form, he's in ministry, it's a travesty upon the church, to his own ministry people, and to the name of Christ. So one of his lies to me, this was a big one. And the reason it was big is because a number of people have told me, Chris Reed will bring down the wrath of God upon himself. He will say, God, strike me. God, kill my wife and children if I'm lying to you. He will say things like this crazy stuff like that and then lie. So this is when someone lies a lot, they start doing really big O's. This is why Jesus says, let your yes be yes and your no be no. Because when people have these giant O's they bring out, it's because they're not trustworthy. And so they try to up the ante. So he did this with me. When Chris and I met over Zoom on February 11th at 10:30am Pacific Time, I had announced to people I was going to have a conversation with Chris Reed. When I announced it, I said what witnesses had assured me of, that Chris will secretly record my meeting with him. I am Mr. Transparent with all this stuff. Okay, he's going to record it. I know ahead of time he's going to treat it like it's recorded. Fine, I won't record it. But I expect him to do so. He did not like this. And so he, in the beginning of our discussion, he goes, mike, what can I do to convince you I'm not recording right now? It was very important to him to build that level of trust. And I was like, it's not going to happen. I already know to much. So he says, I swear to God, may God strike me if I'm recording. And I thought, I still don't believe him. But wow, what a big thing to say. Then in the course of our discussion, Chris found it important to hold up his phone and show me a picture of him and Michael Miller from the Remnant Radio, who's a friend of mine. This is some kind of a credibility thing or. I don't know exactly what he was doing, but. But he decides to show me this thing. Here's a picture of him and Michael Miller. Now, what I notice is not the picture. What I notice is the reflection of the computer screen. And I grabbed a quick snip, I Grabbed a screenshot of this, which is not recording the conversation, but I did that. And you can see here, it's a little difficult to make out, but those are sound bars. Those are sound levels. And they were going up and down the way that they are on my other screen over here, because I'm recording. They were going up and down. And I thought, hmm, what an interesting thing. I also got another screenshot that shows that there's. They're in color here. They're actually. He's showing his vision. They're in color here. And this screenshot shows that this recording was active or that the event was active. Now, I asked for help. I went to the Interwebs and I said, hey, Twitter, can you guys help me with this? I'd like to know what recording software this is. And people obliged. I went ahead and took that camera shot. I had that screenshot. I reversed the image so you could read. It actually says camera five here. And I said, someone help me find out what software this is. And I did get help. People helped me track it down. Thank you, Twitter people. I also took a screenshot of his setup. I go, he uses this setup, maybe this keyboard thing. It'll tell you what kind of software he's using to record. Turns out it does. He's using this software here. Atem or Atem or Atom Extreme. Mini Extreme. This is the device he's using to record. And somebody on the Internet recreated the image themselves. Thank you, Benjamin, for doing this. I do appreciate it. Benjamin was able to recreate the exact same look using the exact same system. Okay. All that to say, Chris, logically speaking, he was recording our meeting. That's why the sound levels were going up and down. That's why my voice going into his system was causing sound levels on his system to go up and down because he had his recording software out and open. Now, you might think, but maybe he wasn't actually recording. Maybe Chris didn't hit record because he did say, God, strike me dead if I'm recording. That seems unlikely for the following reason. At the very end of our call, after an hour and 45 minutes or so of me just listening to Chris go on and on and on until his version of every event, he can think often not true things. After all of that, I told him, I know you lied to me. I know that you're recording. I have a screenshot that shows your recording software. He immediately picked up his phone. He showed me the reflection. He could sense what I was doing, I think, immediately. And he showed me the Reflection again. Except this time the recording software was gone. What does all that mean? Well, if the recording software was there, but you were never recording with it, you would just be like, let me show you. I'll put the camera on. You could look, see the software, but it's not engaged, it's not recording. And you could, you could lie about that too. You could just hit a button. But instead he shows me the screen and it's gone. Meaning he removed the evidence very, very quickly. Again, he lied. Why is that important? Because there are many people who've been told things in the name of God. Chris threatened Rick Joyner in the name of God, Right. He was acting president. But Chris didn't like this in Morningstar, he wanted to be full on complete authority, president in every way, shape and form without Chris looming over him. So he prophesied that if Chris didn't give him full authority, God was going to kill him within the year. That's what I'm talking about. That's, that's the prophetic terrorism we're talking about. That call ended poorly. I told Chris he was a blight upon the name of Christ. I told him he was a liar and I didn't trust him and that I knew several things that he said were not true because I knew more than I revealed to him and I terminated the call. I recall telling him, chris, you're done. That same day, Chris does a live stream. I'm going to play some clips, a significant amount from that live stream. Then we will move soon to Pastor Alan Hawkins. He's going to tell the story of Chris and how Chris contributed to the death of a man through fake prophecy. So here is that stream. So after our call, I think Chris was a little riled up. I don't think I lost my cool. I spoke firmly to him and let him know exactly what I thought that was appropriate to rebuke a man who is lying for an hour and 45 minutes, deceiving in the name of God, trying to get away with continued abuses, lying about his victim, this woman who he clearly tried to seduce and all this other stuff. So after that he was pretty riled up, he's pretty upset. He immediately does a stream called the leleach, has two daughters. And this is from that stream. I'm going to go ahead and put it on your guys screen and you can see for yourselves the kind of treatment. This is the kind of treatment you get from Chris Reed from prophets, from big time prophets in the movement, when you cross them or when you threaten them that you might expose them. They do this to you. This is what Mike Bickle did. Mike Bickle gave prophecies threatening a woman in the congregation to keep her silent. This is what they do or they give. Bill Johnson just tweeted out the other day a. A post that characterized the people who were. Who were asking for accountability inside Bethel and for Bethel as people who were trying to kill him with stones. Like you get this kind of treatment.

[Chris Reed]

And I'm concerned about a spirit of cannibalism that is entered into the church. And the religious spirit looks a whole lot like the spiritual side of a person. They almost look identical.

[Mike Winger]

So when you say that there's a spirit of cannibalism and you'll see clearly this is in response to me and those who would be coming against Chris right now, because he deserves it when you say that they have a spirit of cannibalism. All of these kinds of accusations are always hypocritical, right? When you accuse people of having a spirit of cannibalism that is itself a cannibalistic activity based upon your own definition. When you accuse them having religious spirit and attacking and defaming, that is of course attacking and defaming and by your own definition, a religious spirit. What we need to do is focus on truth, not who's labeling accusations. Right. Because the accusation itself is not true or is not good or bad unless it is established as true or false. In this case, his or false. And the ones I'm bringing are true.

[Chris Reed]

But I'm going to tell you right now, there are things happening in this world sometimes. Let me just be frank with you. You have to own almost sometimes detach from media and especially social media.

[Mike Winger]

This is something I've seen commonly. Todd White did this recently, asking people to get off social media. There's others as well get off social media. Bashoff, who I just did a video on him, I think this was before my video. But he was criticizing social media for commenting against his ministry and his stuff that he's got that's wrong. And so they've cut off all comments on social media. The censoring of social media is very consistent. And the warnings about getting off of social media, that often happens nowadays with the fake prophets because they usually can't control the thinking of people online, just the ones in the room, sometimes there's

[Chris Reed]

a need for that detaching from it because you can get so sucked in. Speaking of a leech, you can get so sucked in with just, you know, all these just different controversies. And things that are going around and all of the. It's, you know, the obvious things that are happening right now. It's like sometimes you have to detach from that and connect to the infusion source.

[Mike Winger]

I mean, obviously you want to be mindful. Personally, I don't follow everything on social media that's going on. And I agree with that in principle. The application is the question. There's plenty of things you guys. You guys debate and discuss. And I'm like, I haven't even looked into that. I don't intend to. I just don't try to follow every single thing that's going on in the world. But the application, of course, has to do with, let's be real, Mike Winger. He doesn't want people to be exposed. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I will recant anything I've said. I will publicly apologize. I'll make a video championing your stellar character, Chris, and what an amazing and true prophet you are. I would be willing to do that, but it'd have to be true. And that's the thing. You don't want. You don't want them people to even think about the truth. You just want them to submit to your shenanigans because you are a mediocre mentalist masquerading as a prophet.

[Chris Reed]

Our words. You got to be careful, guard your words. Because speaking against someone, this is why I plead with you, be careful. I'm not trying to control your life. But just all of this social media stuff of people attacking other Christians, it's spiritual cannibalism.

[Mike Winger]

Of course, when you say that you're attacking a bunch of people, just without naming names, just keeping it very vague.

[Chris Reed]

Paul warned about. He warned the church about biting and devouring one another.

[Mike Winger]

Totally true. Don't bite and devour one another. Also kick that guy out of the church. That's 1 Corinthians 5. Paul said that, didn't he? Jesus, Let him be. That he was a tax collector and a sinner. Jesus. Jesus said that there are times for accountability, right, Chris? You should be kicked out of the church for sure

[Chris Reed]

were there. The spirit of deception is running rampant right now, and we're biting and devouring one another.

[Mike Winger]

There's another thing here, which is they always elevate what's happening to them personally as if it's about the whole church, like globally. There is accountability happening inside charismatic churches to a degree right now. What's really happening right now is not actually not so much accountability as is awareness. Accountability has yet to come. Accountability To Pastor Steve Witt of Bethel Cleveland for fake prophecy, false prophecy. That isn't happening. He had a closed meeting at his church, said that his prophecy was actually accurate. He just named the wrong governor. Totally not true. Totally not true. Then they silenced social media, they silenced some of their own members from trying to ask questions. And not just ask questions, but make claims like, hey, this is wrong. We need accountability. There's awareness at Bethel of what's going on. They've just pulled Ben Armstrong down after public videos were made showing that he. It looks like he did something very illegal and wrong and groomy. I won't get into it here, but with, with someone under his pastoral care, I won't get into that. There's more, there's more to that story. That's not good. But yeah, he's pulled down. But. But has there been actual accountability amongst the leadership for the things. No, I don't think so. I think that Bill Johnson knew about shambles years before he says he did, before they say he did, and that it wasn't an accident or an oops. Just like he went and wrote the foreword to Chris Reed's book. So there's awareness, but not yet accountability. Just want to point that out.

[Chris Reed]

See, elders in the faith that I have great love and respect for, maybe haven't always done everything perfect, but they're being taken hostage in their own ministry right now.

[Mike Winger]

That's what a cover up goon would say about accountability. You'd think that's being taken hostage in your own ministry, but guess what? It's not yours. I don't own my ministry. If it's really ministry, it's the Lord's and I can be held accountable and even removed from it. That needs to be in place.

[Chris Reed]

And the church has got to rise up in courage. Let your feet be shod with a gospel of peace. What does that mean? That means Holy Spirit, don't let my feet go anywhere or be around people or be around environments that don't bring me peace. If the peace can't stay shod to your feet, then don't go there.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, this seems like a weird tangent, but it's not. He's actually going to be talking here about his conversation with me earlier, just a couple hours before this video. And he'll say, I shouldn't have had that conversation, basically. But this is a misuse of scripture, right? Having your feet shod with the gospel of peace is about. I'm bringing the gospel of reconciliation with God through Christ, his death and resurrection, his atonings his atoning sacrifice for my sin. I'm bringing that to the world. Right? I have the gospel that I'm carrying with me wherever I go. That's what it means. It does not mean I have a sense of internal peacefulness no matter what I'm doing. That is not what it means. Jesus did not have that sense of internal peace, not in the way he's describing. When he was in the garden of Gethsemane and he was sweating great drops of blood and he was like, I'm sorrowful to the point of death. And he was pleading, let this cup pass from me. So that kind of peace, you shouldn't, as a Christian expect that all the time. It's okay if you don't have that all the time. We have faith that can sustain us. We hope for peace, but we don't always have emotional peace. And it's okay.

[Chris Reed]

The Lord rebuked me today. I'm just going to be transparent with you. I did not follow my peace on a specific situation. You know, and sometimes when you don't follow your peace, peace has to be your guide. I'm not saying that there aren't times that you have to rise up in courage and fight back against cancel culture. Culture. In the cancel culture, the MeToo movement that is infiltrated the church right now,

[Mike Winger]

Brian Simmons said that what was happening with the Passion translation, when I hired scholars, they reviewed it on their own accord. They came to the conclusion that it was problematic. And they all unanimously were like, this is not good. This is a bad translation. When I did that to try to help rescue the church from a manipulative, distorted version of the Bible that's serving the purposes of Brian Simmons and propagating theology that is not present in Scripture. He said it was cancel culture. Sound familiar? What we need to rise up against is cancel culture, right? This isn't cancel culture. We're not canceling you because you offended people. It's not like you said an off color joke one time and now your whole ministry is ruined. No, man, you're a fake prophet. You manipulate people. You sexually seduce people under your pastoral care. You're satanic in your behaviors. So yeah, you should be done. You're done. You should be done for ministry, period. That's not cancel culture. That's biblical accountability.

[Chris Reed]

Yes, I am for standing up for advocates of any kind of abuse. Please, for the love of goodness sake, don't take me out of context. I'm just simply saying there are some people who have become bloodthirsty.

[Mike Winger]

He means Me.

[Chris Reed]

And they feel they have been given authority to address the entire body of Christ. Even the Apostle Paul recognized the limits of his spiritual authority.

[Mike Winger]

Okay, we'll talk about Apostle Paul in a second, because let's do the Bible study here together. I do not have authority over the body of Christ. What I've said from the beginning is this. I think that Christians inside of Chris's church, inside of Bethel, inside of Morningstar, inside Jesus image, inside IHOP and inside charismatic churches, or even non charismatic churches, if they just knew about some of the fraud and the abuses and the ungodliness that was happening amongst their leaders. I think most churches are good, by the way. I hope that that's true. But there's many that are seriously problematic amongst the leadership. And if they just knew it, they would deal with it themselves. Because I have not exerted a single ounce of authority on any church in the charismatic world. I have appealed to the people to hold their own leaders accountable. And that has been what is happening. And that's why something is effective in all of this. Bethel has some small amount of accountability now. Not. Not enough to be honest, not remotely enough, not. Not even honest accountability in some cases yet. But what they do have is purely because the people there are asking for it, not because of Mike Winger. All I did was help them see what was there.

[Chris Reed]

He wrote two thirds of the New Testament. And yet there are some people that think they are judged jury and executioner. And from the other side of the world, world or the other side of the country, determine whether or not you remain true to your calling and stay true to who God has called you to be.

[Mike Winger]

So I'm not judge, jury and executioner. I am called to use discernment. I am called to be steward. Well, the people who come to me and the people who hear me, like yourself, the influence I have over. Over your life in some way, I'm very much accountable to God for that. But I'm not jury and executioner because I don't actually have the power to pull Chris Reed out of anything. If anything happens to him, it's because his own people ask for it. It's because they demand biblical justice and appropriate behavior. And who does it come from? Paul the Apostle. The same guy he appeals to. As if Paul wouldn't say, that guy's evil, pull him out. He calls it judaizers. Wicked. Says he wishes they would cut themselves off. Innuendo. Right. He says this about guys that are not part of his ministry. He says this about them. He goes to Jerusalem Not a church. He's planted and he has a debate there with the leaders to insist that there is some precedent for the full grace of the gospel of Christ in people's lives. Paul didn't do whatever Christ read thinks Paul did. He wrote in 1 Timothy 5, 20, the elder who is sinning rebuke in the presence of all that the rest also may fear. Paul wrote that. That's what, that's what I'm following there. So Chris is just making stuff up.

[Chris Reed]

No, that's what the leech wants to suck out of you, the joy of the Lord. And if the leech sucks blood out of you, the leech gets bigger and bigger and bigger and noticeable and more noticeable and more noticeable and it sucks the strength from you. Well, what is the joy of the Lord?

[Mike Winger]

Okay, so there's some weird tangent here about like basically I'm making him feel bad, I think. So I'm a leech strength.

[Chris Reed]

Some of you have known idea. Right now, the battles that I'm waging behind the scenes of the spiritual cannibalism in the church, and I'm not talking about in Friends of the Bridegroom Church, I'm talking about in the church.

[Mike Winger]

That's the name of his local church, Friends of the Bridegroom. But he's talking about merch abroad.

[Chris Reed]

And there are many leaders that will not stop stand up to this cancel culture. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about, you know, protecting abusers. That's not what I'm talking about.

[Mike Winger]

It's absolutely what you're talking about.

[Chris Reed]

But, but just bloodthirsty, blood thirsty. And this is a time for courage.

[Mike Winger]

Like, imagine if he wasn't talking about me and he was talking about one of his congregants because he has done this. Someone in the congregation goes, chris, you have a drug problem. You need to step down. You need some time to heal. We are supporting you. We want to get you accountability. When you get you in a program, we got to get you some help. Right? They care about him. They're trying to have a path for him to even stay in ministry long term. And then he can give a message like this. Some people are blood thirsty and everybody knows. In fact, he'll look right at him. I know this from a witness. He'll have a statement like this bloodthirsty, just spirit of Jezebel. Look right at him in the church. That's why he has to be stopped. He's a terrorist.

[Chris Reed]

No other. If attack and critique comes from people with large platforms why would they attack somebody unless they feel threatened or attacked? You know what I'm saying? It's like my Lord.

[Mike Winger]

So I don't feel attacked or threatened. No. I think that the church is threatened by you, Chris Reed. I think that if nobody says anything, you're going to end up the leader of MorningStar. In another six weeks or six months or whatever, they'll bring you right back in. And if it's not there, it'll be ihop, or you'll take over for Sid Roth. And you will continue to infect and harm and hurt the church while you groom women on the side and you make up prophecies and you terrorize people. This is easy, man. You're evil. So I want you to be stopped at Mercy.

[Chris Reed]

There's got to be. There's got to be somebody that steps up and says, I'm not going to bow down. I ask the. The Lord today because there is this person. It's not anybody that has ever attended our church, ever. I asked the Lord today. I said, lord, would you please remove this person out of my side? They don't even know me. They're making judgments from a father far spiritual vampires are a real thing.

[Mike Winger]

Sorry, guys. It's so obnoxious. It's so over the top, that once you realize what he's doing, but he'll never use my name and he'll try to keep it vague. And the people who are under that spell, they're under his spell, they don't see it. So hopefully this helps them see it. I've given you examples of his lies because he's done this to your friends, he's done this to your family. He's done this to that guy who left the church and that you thought was evil. And he was actually. He was actually the guy being wounded by Chris, you know? So, yeah.

[Chris Reed]

So today I asked the Lord, I said, lord, this is nobody that's ever went to FOTB or Morningstar or anything like that, any ministries I've led, or

[Mike Winger]

just hours after we talked, a couple hours, three hours after we finished our

[Chris Reed]

call, the Ark in Indiana, any of the churches that I've pastored, I asked, lord, please remove this person out of my side. You know what he said to me? I've heard. I'd heard this before, but I hadn't heard it. He immediately spoke back into my spirit. He said, okay, who do you want me to replace him with? I thought of the words of Paul when he said, I sought the Lord three times, that he would remove this messenger from Satan as a person, a messenger sent from Satan.

[Mike Winger]

He calls me the accuser. So. It's the pietistic, humble brag of like, oh, it was like Paul, I said, lord, please remove him. And the Lord said, you know, my grace is sufficient kind of thing. He's paralleling himself with Paul the apostle. I'm trying to follow what Paul wrote. I'm certainly not parallel with him in any way. But anyway, that's, that's Chris Reed. Chris Reed. He's just like the Apostle Paul. And I'm like a messenger of Satan

[Chris Reed]

sent to buffet me. Just, just a constant attack, criticism, attack, attack. And he said, my grace is sufficient for you. My strength is made perfect in your weakness.

[Mike Winger]

Complete lie. God never said that. You're a liar. You're lying in the name of God. You're blaspheming his name. The curses you've asked God to bring down upon you will eventually come down upon you in God's timing because you don't control him. Or you could repent, and I hope you do, Chris. I hope you repent. Your track record says you won't, but that doesn't mean you can't. You can repent, but repentance, you'll repent like it's a negotiation unless you have a truly broken heart. And that's what you need.

[Chris Reed]

I'm telling you right now. Listen here, you better hear me now. Listen to me carefully and you'll know I have stirred up a religious devil today that I don't think I have ever seen more of. Religious devil. I mean, we're advancing to the end, folks.

[Mike Winger]

He's really puffing me up here, man. I am the most devilly religious devil to ever exist. I'm a messenger of Satan. He stirred me up today. And I'm just thinking, no, this is worth talking about because there's a strong connection to Bethel and Morningstar and Mike Bickle and all of this overall cover up culture stuff. And here's a case where I have numerous witnesses who've come forward to me. And to be honest, the trigger thing for me making this video was when I saw some of Chris's own people who I won't put on screen, but who went on Facebook and went public saying, we love Chris, but guys, he's really dark, it's really bad, he needs to be pulled out of ministry. And they tried to do the right thing. And then Chris started attacking them and threatening them. And then I thought, well, I'll put myself in the bullseye instead of them. How's that sound. And so here's because he can't touch me anyways, right? I'm not local. It doesn't affect my life for Chris to say whatever he wants about me.

[Chris Reed]

I'm not messing around. I stirred up a religious devil today. I've never, never seen demonic rage from an individual over something, over just something that wasn't even like valid.

[Mike Winger]

I challenged Chris Reed to release the recording. Release the recording, Chris. You've got it. Show them my demonic rage, Chris. Show them my demonic rage. Play the full clip at least the end of our discussion. We're I got in your face and I said you're done. And I said you're a blight upon the name of Christ which you are. Show them the recording.

[Chris Reed]

The prophetic is always being chased by the Jezebel spirit. About this time tomorrow you are going to be dead Elijah like the other prophets. You'll probably know about it, you'll probably

[Mike Winger]

hear about it because I told him. I announced everybody I was making a video on Chris Reeds. It's been known for like two weeks or something.

[Chris Reed]

Maybe you won't, maybe you will. I've got a good feeling you will. They can't stand I've stirred up a religious devil.

[Mike Winger]

Okay? That was the response. The leech has two daughters and oh man. There's other stuff about Chris Reed. Before I get into that pastor's testimony, very important. Alan Hawkins. I'm going to share what he. I'm just going to play it for you. I might pause it once or twice maybe. I'll just probably play it straight through. It's like 20 minutes. He's going to share the whole story and you will hear one story of the kind of terror and harm and damage, long term human damage that's caused when we allow guys like Chris Reed to run rampant in the body of Christ. When Bill Johnson, when Chris Valatin, when Danny Silk, when Dan Fairley, when hear about guys like this and they don't put a stop to it. It's happened many times. And by the way, five minutes after their apology about shambles they could have come out and said hey guys, Chris Reed shouldn't be trusted. We know that he fakes prophecy. They already had the evidence. They already had the confrontation in the past. They already knew about it. They could have done it in a second and maybe they'll do it in response to this video. And I'm going to say Bethel, it's too late. If you give me a month and I make a whole other video and then you decide to talk about that one, it's too late. Tell us what you know. That was my standard of genuine repentance in my original Bethel video. Tell us what you know that we don't even know about. When there are people who are fraudulent, who are abusive, who are in power, who shouldn't be biblically, you should take action now to remove them or at least warn about them. Doesn't matter if they're on your staff or not, but you know about them and you have global impact. And instead, Bill Johnson writes the foreword to his book. So there's other stuff about Chris. He talks about how John the Apostle never died.

[Chris Reed]

And then he said something to me interesting. The angel said he has been hidden in the caves of Turkey and will appear on the scene right before the coming of the Lord to help the church and the world world to understand the book of Revelation that he wrote.

[Mike Winger]

I then woke up this Chris Reed saying John the apostle still alive and angel showed him this. Dude.

[Chris Reed]

No.

[Mike Winger]

Based on what Jesus actually said to James and John that they would drink the cup of suffering. There's biblical case that they died along with other evidence throughout church history as well. So no, no, he's not hiding. This is a fake. This is a fake thing. This is a fake thing. He's also got manifest sons of God

[Chris Reed]

theology because this won't be the last attack or storm.

[Mike Winger]

The reason I grabbed this clip, this is again, I prophesied this video, right? There's this blue shirt, the one he cried in. This is that same video. And here he talks about the manifest sons of God doctrine, which is unbiblical, which is a false theology that is very much part of this movement. Even though a lot of times they don't like talking about it, Chris doesn't

[Chris Reed]

mind acknowledging it that we ever face. Now they're only going to become more intense birth pangs as we become closer and closer to see the revealing of the manifestation of the sons and daughters of God in full transfiguration.

[Mike Winger]

There was even a weird moment in that video where Chris implies that I and others like me gave Chris pneumonia through word curses.

[Chris Reed]

I can tell you what caused my sickness. It was word curses spoken against me without the proper intercession that I should have been asking for. Yes, there's power of life and death in the tongue.

[Mike Winger]

Word curses.

[Chris Reed]

So many people are commenting on events that they're not even involved in. Have. No. I mean they're not. They're not even a third party or a fourth party. They just are tabloid Christianity because They, they're not, they don't have the gift or the talent to be on tv.

[Mike Winger]

So I actually forgot that that was part of this clip.

[Chris Reed]

They go on social media and you can build a big following if all you do is attack other people. Why? Because that appeals to the base, fallen nature of sinful, carnal man.

[Mike Winger]

Right. I mean, anybody who follows me knows that most of the following, the majority of the following I have, has nothing to do with these kinds of videos. Foreign. It's time for me to show you Pastor Alan Hawkins testimony. This pastor, it's very sad the things he has to share. Very important. I'm just going to let him share probably all the way through. It's 23 minutes, this video, and it's worth listening to all of it, especially the very end. And then I want to come back and I have a few little more things to share at the end. But that I think are very important because this video relates again to cover up culture in general. One of the things I want to point out that Alan did is Alan went to leaders years ago trying to get Chris Reed pulled down and it didn't work because nobody would help him because cover up culture is systemic in the movement. I'm sorry to say.

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

I met Chris Reed in the summer of 2020 at a conference in Oklahoma City and it blew me away. I had never seen anything like it. I was phasing out of my pastoral ministry. I was 66 years old. I had had a couple of major staff transitions in my church. We were in the middle of COVID and I was sitting with a, a church that had been a wonderful church and is a wonderful church to this day, but needed a rebuilding of the staff and needed rebuilding of the congregation. And I was burned out and I was frankly depressed. I was not in good mental health. And so I began, I just, I began telling people that I was going to find my way out and met Chris Reed and he began a process of communicating with me. All I can tell you is he was very, very eager to leave Indiana. Very eager to leave Indiana. And, and we brought him to my church to consider him as a successor, which was not wise and was evidence of how burned out I was because he was from a different stream. He was more Pentecostal. We were, we're probably classically third wave charismatic. And he came to my church, stayed in my home. I did do two things to hedge myself. One was I set up a series of meetings where he would be exposed to all of my leaders. And I, my leaders knew that we were, we were vetting him as a possible successor. And one of my dear friends in ministry that I've ministered with for 25 years, I brought him, or 20 years really more like. And I brought him and I just said, I just need different eyes on this. I don't trust myself. I'm not healthy. I just don't trust myself. He came and ministered four, four sessions and, and did, he did the, the thing that you see him do. He did it with vigor. And again, I was, I bought it hook, line and sinker. I, I just bought it. And I, I will be honest with you, this is an extremely emotional story for me. I can remember one night my wife and I were driving home and again, nobody knew, knew how unhealthy I was more than my wife. And I, I, I started weeping on the way home and I said, I said, honey, I've never seen anything like this. I said, if this is the Lord, I might have spent my whole life not knowing the Lord because I just can't believe he does this. I, I just, he never did anything like that with me. And at the moment I was both sad and at the same time like, well, this could be amazing. By the end of the weekend, I realized two things. One, he was a different culture than we were and, and, and two, he, he had different theologies than we did. Even though, if I'm honest with you, it was very clear by the end of the weekend that he had studied my theology and attempted to make many points of contact with my theology over the weekend. It was, it was, it was kind of a tip off. It was, didn't feel good. Anyway, I was clear that this is not our guy. On the last night that he ministered, there was a guy in my church who's just kind of a good old boy. That's not really a great description, but he's a down to earth guy. He's not easily impressed with anything. And he got a word and his wife was just weeping and he was just unmoved. And I, and I said to him, what was that? What, what? You know, tell me about that word you got. And I was in my car, talked to him on speakerphone, wife in the car, and he said, well, he said everything that he said was basically was based on things that we had spoken about in a conversation. He said none of that was, was unique. And, and that set me off. But then there was one, one other thing that happened. He said, a man walked up to me that I've never seen in our church. And he said, what did. What did I think about it? And he said, I. I said it was okay. It was nothing special, but it was okay. And the guy said, well, I'm a magician, and I can do what that man did without making the mistakes he made. And that, first of all, that was like, whoa. Because if you're ever watching me has a kind of a Penn and Teller effect on how he does this. Do we know each other? I ever seen you Da da da da da he does the thing. His words made me think about it, the mistakes he made. And there had been two very glaring mistakes that he had made. And when I thought about them, I knew exactly how they happened. Well, now I'm kind of feeling you know, in my. In my stomach a thing. Well, there's this one other thing that I did was. And that. That is a. I have a very astute man. I had a very astute man in my church. And. And he and I were conversing in the backyard in front of the fire pit before the meeting, and I told him I was really worried. I said, I've made some bad decisions in the last couple years, and I don't trust myself anymore. He said, do you want me to. Do you want me to vet this guy for you? And I said, can you do that? He said, yeah. I. And he told me what he does for a living, which I won't reveal here, but he told me he could vet him. And I said, well, yeah, I'd like some extra eyes on this. And so he came to every meeting and came to every fellowship and hung out with us. And as. As it turned out, he was the first one that got a perf. Got a. A word on the first service. And the man named his address, named his kids, birthdays, named, you know, all these things, and did it with, you know, does such, you know, July the third mean anything to you? Does May the first meaning, you know, all those things? And I was like, oh, my goodness. The guy that I had, he gets him first, and he gets all these things, right? So the next guy I call was. I called this guy, and I said. I said, what'd you think? And he says, I think you need to ask him a question. I said, okay. He said, I think you need to ask him how much of what he said came from natural means and how much of it came from supernatural means. I think you just asked him. I was like, what. What do you mean? And then he told me that as soon as I asked him to do it, he signed up on social media as coming to the event. And he said I was the first one to sign up. And I said, he said, I really don't think it's from. It was God. And I said, how sure are you? He said, 100%. Well, I was dumbfounded. We quit talking the next day. I called him up. I said, 100%. He said, 100%. I said, how can that be? How can you be 100% sure? He said, give me five days and I'll send you something. I said, okay. And he went and took the ministry session off the, the service. And he went person by person and showed me where the data was taken from every one of them by showing it online after the words were given, including the mistake of naming another woman's name as his wife who had the same last name. And, well, then I was just imploding inside. And so then what happened was over the next week it just unraveled and, and many, many eyes saw it and, and many people caught it. Many people could tell you where they were when he got this information that he was gleaning information at the meals, times and all the things. And so, man. So I went from being a guy who was already depressed to a guy that was like, gutted, gutted. I called him up and I, and I just said, chris, you're not our guy. I. And he's, we talked a minute. I just said, it's just not a match. You're not a match for our church. You're not the guy. And he said, there's something else, isn't there? I said, yeah. He said, what is it? I said, I can't talk about it now. And to be honest with you, I literally didn't have the bandwidth to go there because I couldn't prove it absolutely. And I'd never had it happen. And I just, first of all, I couldn't believe it had happened. And then second of all, I couldn't believe I had done that to my church. That the last thing I'm going to do after, after 20 plus years of founding that church, the last thing I'm going to do is get them scammed. I was, I turned it on myself. I completely turned it on myself. And I functioned that way for the next seven months. And during that seven months, I found a fantastic successor who is now still the pastor of the church, a marvelous man, guy named Paul Martini. And he's rebuilt the staff, rebuilt the church. It's fantastic. It's wonderful. But when I installed him, I told him, I said, when we install you as pastor. I'm leaving town. I'm going away. When I left town, I confronted Chris. He was angry that I had waited seven months to confront him, and I was embarrassed that I'd waited seven months. But to be honest with you, I just didn't have the strength. So from then till now, I had been through a very, very long process of trying to get somebody to listen to me who had some chops. And he went straight from us and ended up at Morningstar and went to ihop. And I did finally have a successful connection with the guys at Remnant Radio. And they. They. They fought for me over these years. They. They advocated for me. But this is hilarious. At the time, they were like, we'll get Mike Bickle to handle this. And when they told me that, even before the Bickle episode was revealed, I was like, mike Bickle is where all. All scandals go to die. I knew that then. This is not going anywhere. And now I sound a little. Look, I'm a long veteran of church, and I am kind of disgusted with all that I've seen in the charismatic world in the last 20 years. And I think if we don't get some reformation, there's no reason that the public should listen to us. My story with Chris is much more detailed than I told you and involves many more steps, including the fact that I reached out to him last week and said, you and I have a conversation that is not finished. But I will tell you this much in 2023. And everybody who knows me knows this story. In 2023, November 18, my son died tragically. The next day, I found him. And the Bickel thing was exploding at that time. And it was right about that time that. That Chris Reed had sort of manned the door for Bickle. When Sam Storms and Francis Chan were coming over to same, and I was like, please, Lord, how's that happen? But I was reeling from what I was going through. One month later to the day I get a call on my phone from Chris. From June of 2000, when I confronted him, and he started a process of denying it until December of 2023. He was. He was in denial about it. By. By December 2023, the guys at Remnant Radio had enough evidence that he was clearly guilty. And he called me I. Sitting right over here on my couch, and I was pretty broken. And he called me and I, I. And he apologized to me. He apologized to me, and I. And I need you to hear this. I said, I can forgive you. I forgive you, but we have to have a further Discussion about this. This is not done, But I'm in no shape to have that discussion with you tonight. I cannot do it. And he actually didn't confess exactly what he had done. He just apologized. And he apologized with, honestly, the kind of tears that people can produce when they're back in a corner. And. And I just said, my son has died, and you. Okay, so you did some bad things. I'm. I'm. I'm dealing with the way I feel about why my son died. I'm dealing with my own sense of personal responsibility about losing my son. I don't have any time for bashing you around. But this is not finished. We have to finish this. I being the guy I am. You don't know me, but I got off the phone and I said, why did that guy call me? I got off the phone, and I realized that the Bickel drama had come to a head and that. And that Chris Reed was about to be swept into the vortex of. Of Bickle's own guilt. And I found a video that had just been released that day or the day before, which was kind of the first of Chris's many, many beleaguered, tearful bro. Disheveled apologies online. And I. And I literally. I'll be honest with you and tell you what I thought. I'm like, that guy's trying to. He's trying to clean up his trail. He's about to be. His walls are about to fall in. So I. I took the apology in that context, and, you know, that's. That's how that goes. But I'm. But I'm pursuing a conversation with him where I want him to tell me what he did that he apologized for. I think his story now is that he was entrapped. I pled with him. I said, chris, this doesn't have to end in a major catastrophe. You said, you need a father in your life. I can come alongside you. We can clean this up, and you can just stop. And I. I walked with him for a while, trying to befriend him. I know his wife. I don't want to hurt Missy. I don't want to. You know, And. And then one night, I couldn't stand it any longer, and I sent him a text and said, I need you to tell me directly whether you did this or not. Called me, and he ranged me for an hour. It was unbelievable. After an hour, I said to him, I've listened to you for an hour, and there's two things you haven't done in this conversation. I Said number one, you still haven't denied it, that you did it. You've just, you've just tried to talk me into a corner. And I, and I said, number two, you haven't asked me a single word about how I know. Well, that flew him into a rage and he harangued me for another hour. And, and, and you're not going to believe this. Well, you will believe it. Maybe he said, well, I, I, I do deny it. I didn't do it. And then I'll never forget he said this, these words, if I'm lying, may God strike my wife and children dead. And I said to him, shut up, shut up, shut up and listen to me. You have moments to repent, to recant those words and to take them back. That is the most evil thing I've ever heard. If you think that makes me believe you, that makes me certain that you're guilty and you need to repent. He actually did repent of that

[Mike Winger]

right

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

there on the spot. And, and then he went on for a third hour haranguing me and, and, and trying to back me into a corner. Well, I've been a pastor a long time and, and honestly, I was trying to get an outcome. I wanted to get an outcome. I'd, at that time, he was not as publicly evil as he is now. That dude, that dude is, Listen, that dude is, is vile. You know, I did forgive him, but I want him to face the consequences of what he's done. I don't need any kind of vengeance, but I need him to stop. And by stop, I mean that dude should be out of the ministry. I turned over the video evidence that I have to the guys at Remnant. Ben Fitzgerald also caught him. Anyway, that guy's a snake. Spent my whole life loving the church. But I will tell you what, that man broke me. He broke me.

[Rick Joyner]

And.

[Pastor Alan Hawkins]

Even just recently, I'm like, why did it take you seven months? It was because I was so ashamed. I was so ashamed that I had loved my church so well for all those years. And then I brought a devil in. We, we don't realize how evil this stuff is. One of my best friends received a word from him. The cancer was trying to. Strong arm his life. God was going to break the spirit of cancer off of him. Man wasn't sick. He wasn't sick at all. A year later, he got cancer. All he could do was talk about the prophecy he got from, from Chris Reed. And he wanted to base his treatment based on it. I watched him waste away and die, holding on to that prophetic word. These people, these people kill people. It's not okay.

[Mike Winger]

I try to not be as heavy as possible when I do videos like this and have things that are like, I don't know, just make it a little easier to deal with and kind of digest, but this should be as heavy as possible at this moment. These people kill people. Chris Reed, your deception, I believe, cost a man, is life. You are evil, you are wicked. You are a blight upon the name of Christ, as I told you in our private conversation. And if your church and your people have any integrity, any love for Jesus, you will never preach again. You will never preach again. And Rick Joyner and Bill Johnson, they all have some measure of responsibility in this too. Because if Bill had come out in 2020, if he had come out supporting Ben, when Chris threatened to sue Ben Fitzgerald, who still won't talk to me for who knows what he's. Whatever he's got going on, if Chris, when he threatened Ben Fitzgerald, if that was met by Bethel leadership doing what I would do, which is he did what to you? We're all coming against him now then, because now he not only did this fake prophecy thing, but he's trying to cover it up with threats and lawsuits. Let's marshal the troops, okay? We need to warn the church about this wicked man. If they had done that, this pastor would not be giving this testimony right here today. It wouldn't happen. And when he did reach out to different people, different leaders, and nobody did anything. And he knew Mike Bickle wouldn't do anything. He knew lots of people knew. It wasn't completely like out of nowhere that Mike Bickle was whack. Like, unfortunately, Sam Storms has suggested there was evidence, there was people that knew things and it was just cover up culture that kept it down. So how do we change it? Well, like I said earlier, I have no authority, I have no ability to change any of these things. But you absolutely do. You, meaning you in Morningstar, you in Bethel, you in Jesus image. I still haven't talked a lot about that. But you guys can change these things. You absolutely can. Whether it's you vote with your feet or if you insist on accountability where leaders are like, I will, I will suffer your wrath. You can call me the Jezebel spirit all you want. I'm going to stand up and do the right thing. That can change everything. That can change everything. Now I want to close this with this one thought. With this one thought. Today Chris Reed gave a message at his church and today he talked about the following. Now, I want to preface this with the fact that in my video I showed like weeks ago, I showed that in a very recent sermon, Chris faked Russian. He's faked speaking in Russian and then he told people the interpretation, basically there's a fake moment of Russian tongues. And the interpretation was, you know, move from where you are and come to my church. This is him today. Because I want you to know the grift is not over with this guy. Unless his church makes it over, it won't be over.

[Chris Reed]

And I'm so thankful that you're here today at Friends of the Bridegroom Church. And we are moving forward in Jesus name 100%. We have people, believe it or not, from different places that are put their house up for sale and are moving here because they want to be a part of what God is doing. And so over the next two or three months we will get to see that happen.

[Mike Winger]

This is what's going on at the Friends of the Bridegroom Church. People are on their way. This is what's going on. Rick Joyner behind the scenes going, I don't know, maybe it'll be time to bring Chris back in at some point. Point, because I like to restore people and see what they'll do. But I think the bottom line is just that this is an example of COVID up culture. This is an example of the results of COVID up culture. And Chris Reed, I hope that the word I gave to you ends up being prophetic and that you are done. And that certainly is what justice would demand. And if anybody has a legal case against you, I hope they push it. I really do. If there are any leaders in the charismatic movement that are like the high up leaders that have been there for years and years and years and years who have the dirt and know the stuff and you know, who the predators are and who the liars are and who the fraudulent ministers are. I just pray that one of you, even one of you will just come out, put your neck on the line and tell us everything. Call them out. You know, I have to do all this research. You already know off the top of your head, the whole laundry list. And I'm asking you to come out, one of you at least come out for the name of Christ. It'd be the most redemptive thing you've done in a long time.