In the vast silence of space, security is anything but quiet. At Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, cutting-edge science and strategic defense converge to protect the satellites we rely on.
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In 2009, two satellites traveled thousands of miles per hour on routine orbits through the vastness of space. One was an active communications satellite. The other was a defunct, drifting Russian Cosmos satellite, an obsolete relic moving silently through orbit. Then impact. The two satellites collided. An accident that sent thousands of debris fragments hu through Earth's orbit. The debris spread rapidly, threatening operational satellites and forcing the International Space Station to adjust its course to avoid potential impacts. The wreckage is still floating in space, adding to the growing cloud of space junk that poses a risk to satellites, space stations and future missions. The collision served as a wake up call for the space industry, highlighting long term risks of uncontrolled satellite failures. Scientists realized we needed more sustainable practices in orbit. Satellites are critical to modern life. They power communication networks, enable gps, support financial transactions and play a vital role in national security. And as space becomes more crowded and contested, protecting these essential systems is critical. Today we'll explore the hidden world of space security where advanced technology and strategic planning work to safeguard our modern infrastructure. Welcome to the Big Ideas Lab. Your weekly exploration inside Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Hear untold stories, meet boundary pushing pioneers and get unparalleled access inside the gates. From national security challenges to computing revolutions, discover the innovations that are shaping tomorrow. Today, join a team where expertise makes a difference. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is hiring for a nuclear facility project. Mechanical engineer, a mechanical design associate, mid senior design team lead, active clearance required and an audio video technologist. And the list of open positions doesn't end there. There are more than a hundred job openings across science, engineering, it, HR and the skilled trades. This is more than a job. It's an opportunity to help shape the future. Explore all open positions and start your next career adventure today@llnl.govcareers. that's llnl.govcareers.
Ben Baney
Space security is this idea that we need to find a way to operate in space despite another country trying to attack our space systems.
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Ben Baney is the program leader for space at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Ben Baney
I get a lot of questions about aliens. It's just not, not what I work on. Not a thing.
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Space is the backbone of our modern world. Protecting satellites and space based infrastructure from threats from cyber attacks to physical challenges is a cornerstone of space security. It relies on advanced technologies and global collaboration to safeguard the critical systems that underpin our communication, navigation and national defense.
Ben Baney
I think for most people, space is this unseen set of capabilities, right? It's way up there, you can't see what's going on, but there's something important happening, right? There's Something enabling happening there. That was the appealing thing about space is really understanding there's this whole world out there. It's very complicated and very technical, but also really important.
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This hidden complexity propels space development. Space is vast, mysterious, essential to how our world operates and integral to modern life. Willem DeVries is an associate program leader for the Space Science and Security Program at Lawrence Livermore.
Willem DeVries
Traffic management in space is a real need. And so you have systems on the ground tracking objects as they move over, like with a radar, there's a lot of optical systems too, little telescopes that track these things. And what our application is is basically little satellites from space doing the same thing as the ones on the ground.
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Awareness is the foundation of effective space management. Tracking objects in orbit ensures that traffic systems can operate safely and efficiently.
Willem DeVries
We can talk about space domain awareness. So what is going on is a critical component that if you don't know what's going on or who's there, or who's doing what, then even traffic management would be useless. So as more and more nations are fielding things in space, or flying things, and even the moon is getting crowded.
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Experts at Lawrence Livermore are developing advanced technologies that track objects, help secure systems and protect critical infrastructure.
Ben Baney
My program really focuses on space security. We also focus on building payloads for flight in space. So that could be a telescope, it could be some other subsystem that's gonna actually need to be built, tested, qualified, and then to go to spaceflight. There are so many different actors in space, so many countries, so many private companies, and there's so many different types of satellites now. Many, many, many thousands.
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The rapid growth in satellite launches has introduced new risks that require attention.
Ben Baney
People in the US Military are very much worried about a future potential conflict with China in particular, but also potentially Russia. Those are both very serious and long standing space faring nations, right? China and Russia have been flying satellites in space for many decades.
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In 2021, China surpassed all other nations with a record 55 orbital launches. An orbital launch places a satellite, spacecraft or other payload into a continuous path around the. In the past two years, China has launched over 400 satellites, more than half for Earth observation. This pace demands effective space security measures.
Ben Baney
There are more and more things going on in deep space, in lunar orbit and beyond. The Chinese are also planning their own missions to the surface of the moon. They already have put rovers on the moon. They just returned samples from the dark side of the moon. The Chinese have put a relay system around the moon to do communications. And so our need to understand what's going on further away from Earth is also growing. And this is something that we literally have never really done before.
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Back in the early 1980s, amid Cold War tensions, researchers at Lawrence Livermore, under the Reagan administration's Strategic Defense Initiative, pioneered innovative ways to defend the US from missile threats.
Ben Baney
We did do a lot of space security work in the 80s at Livermore. It really started up under what was called the Strategic Defense Initiative.
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One groundbreaking project was Brilliant Pebbles, a network of small autonomous satellites working together as a distributed missile defense system to detect and intercept incoming ballistic missiles through kinetic impact.
Ben Baney
The idea behind Brilliant Pebbles was to field a whole series of satellites in space that had interceptors upon them. So this was like a vehicle in space that had a little sub satellite that would come out and that would be able to target a missile in flight and fly out and intercept it, so just run into it. This was kind of the cornerstone of the Strategic Defense Initiative, and it was executed at Livermore.
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Lawrence Livermore researchers created advanced sensors, optical systems, and tracking capabilities that could reliably detect missile threats in the vastness of space. As the Cold War ended In the early 90s, the Strategic Defense Initiative slowed down. Sensors developed for Brilliant Pebbles were repurposed for NASA's Clementine mission in 1994, which mapped the moon in higher resolution.
Ben Baney
I think it was the first time that we found ice on the lunar poles.
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After that, space work at the lab slowed down until China launched a missile in 2007. The 2007 Chinese Direct Ascent Anti Satellite, or ASAT, test, was a Chinese military operation in which a missile was launched from the ground to intercept and destroy one of China's own weather satellites in low orbit.
Ben Baney
There was going to be a whole new set of demands from the US Government about thinking about space security, thinking about how do we know what's going on in space. What we call space domain awareness.
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The test demonstrated China's ability to destroy satellites in space using ground based kinetic missiles and raised concerns about space security globally. The impact with the satellite created thousands of pieces of orbital debris, heightening risks for other space operations and prompting renewed focus on space debris management and defense systems. Space is congested, competitive, and carries complex and dangerous risks. For example, kinetic weapons are missiles designed to destroy satellites. They shoot from the ground into space, targeting a satellite and destroying it on impact.
Ben Baney
There are ground based direct ascent weapons, which is a jargony term for basically a missile that you keep on the ground and then when you need it, you shoot it into space, generally pointed at a satellite that you're trying to target it would then go up, have a sensor that would acquire that target, and then literally just maneuver into the way and just kinetically impact it to destroy the satellite.
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Then there are nuclear weapons, remnants of the Cold War, when the US and the Soviets developed nuclear nuclear tipped interceptors for space. While they seem like relics of the past, they remain an extreme but real.
Ben Baney
Threat from the early days of the Cold War. The very first counterspace weapons systems that the US and the Soviets thought about were nuclear tipped interceptors. Right. And that's, I think, in a very extreme set of cases, still very much a concern.
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But physical attacks aren't the only threats. Cyber attacks pose a silent but potent threat where hackers can remotely hijack or disable satellites, causing widespread disruption to communication and navigation systems. Electronic warfare adds another layer of complexity with jamming techniques that cut off signals, leaving essential systems blind and vulnerable.
Ben Baney
You could inject information into the communications on a satellite. So if the satellite is what's called a bent pipe, so if it's essentially getting information, then transmitting it back out, you could change the data in that data stream. Potentially.
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Satellites also have systems to send and receive commands.
Ben Baney
So these are essentially antennas that are used to communicate to the satellite, to tell it to do things. And so even in that kind of data stream, you can potentially get in there and give it spurious commands. And so you could actually also disrupt the satellite itself as opposed to the data stream that's going through it. So there's a wide variety of things in the space security bin, right? It's a incredibly broad topic.
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These dangers combine to make space a hazardous domain. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is at the forefront of defending space. Space security begins on the ground with powerful simulations. With advanced modeling technology, researchers can create highly accurate virtual environments to predict potential space conflict scenarios and anticipate threat threats.
Ben Baney
We can use test capabilities. We can use modeling simulation capabilities on high performance computing to simulate the effects of potential space weapons that we're concerned about.
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While simulations help predict threats and safeguard space assets, effective space security also depends on precise observation. Tracking objects in orbit requires advanced optical systems. And capturing clear images comes with challenges. We think of space as dark and empty. But in orbit, light is everywhere. And brightness is a major challenge for optical systems Here on Earth, where atmospheric scattering softens and spreads light. Satellites in orbit experience direct, unfiltered exposure to the sun's intensity. This extreme brightness can overwhelm sensors, washing out images and reducing their ability to detect objects.
Willem DeVries
You're flying around the Earth half of the time Half of your orbit, you're in the sun, typically, so it's obviously pretty bright, so baffling. Get the baffle around the aperture of the telescope Is really important.
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Baffles are structures that shield the optics from excess light and prevent glare from interfering with the sensors. Controlling excess light is crucial for capturing clear images in space. Another invisible force that can disrupt satellite operations Is radiation. Beyond the steady brightness of the sun, Powerful solar events can send bursts of charged particles Hurtling toward Earth, Interfering with satellites, communications, and essential systems on the ground.
Willem DeVries
One of the things that can cause at least temporary outages, Solar flares. There was one last year, a pretty violent one, a coronal mass ejection. And so a lot of particles come our way.
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In May 2024, the sun released a powerful solar flare, the strongest in years, along with a coronal mass ejection, which is a massive burst of solar particles and magnetic energy. When these particles Hit Earth's atmosphere, they triggered an intense geomagnetic storm. The effects were widespread. Satellites experienced disruptions, Radio signals were affected, and auroras lit up the skies in places where they're rarely seen. Events like this highlight the risks Solar activity poses to our technology. Fortunately, NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory Keeps constant watch, Providing early warnings to help protect satellites and power grids from future solar storms.
Willem DeVries
We see it actually happens. NASA has these Solar dynamics observatories, satellite looking at the sun. Oh, well, something is coming. And then a day or so later, we get the blast, and again, those are all charged particles and basically charge everything up. And satellites will either reboot or reset.
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When these high energy particles reach Earth, they can disrupt satellites and even force them into emergency shutdowns.
Willem DeVries
There was actually an outage there. Some GPS satellites, some other things Got put offline for a little bit. Then things like your phone doesn't know where it is, or the clocks start getting out of sync, and then things like banking, and it's an amazing amount of interconnects there.
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Space disruptions interfere with navigation, banking, and communication systems on earth. As more objects crowd orbit, Monitoring them requires more than human oversight. Artificial intelligence now plays a critical role in identifying space debris and predicting potential collisions.
Willem DeVries
If you can train something to recognize cats, then, well, you can train something to recognize streaks, right? If a satellite moves through your field of view like a line, a streak. So things like that, It's a very interesting, fruitful field for research.
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By processing data on board and sending down only the most critical information, AI reduces the strain on ground systems and enables real time decision making in space.
Willem DeVries
Wouldn't it be nice if you just had an architecture out there? All these satellites looking at other satellites. Oh, that satellite's still doing what it's supposed to do. That one is still fine. This satellite moved. Or that satellite may get close to another one, then just send down the alert, if you will, instead of all the raw images and then process that on the ground. It's just a lot of data that needs to flow.
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The race for space security is accelerating. As satellite systems grow more advanced, so do the methods to disrupt them. Lawrence Livermore is advancing AI driven satellite tracking, quantum encryption, and rapid deploy optical systems to secure space and counter evolving threats.
Ben Baney
We're able to cut through and see across these different disciplines to be able to bring solutions to to the hardest problems and to bring those forward.
Narrator
Space is essential for exploration and for maintaining everyday systems, and space security ensures the stability and resilience of these critical networks by anticipating threats and staying ahead of emerging challenges. As space becomes more contested and complex, Lawrence Livermore's commitment to innovation and protection will will be crucial in ensuring the safety and stability of our interconnected world. Thank you for tuning in to Big Ideas Lab. If you loved what you heard, please let us know by leaving a rating and review. And if you haven't already, don't forget to hit the Follow or Subscribe button in your podcast app to keep up with our latest episode. Thanks for listening.
Big Ideas Lab | Episode: Space Security
Host: Mission.org
Release Date: March 25, 2025
Location: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
The episode opens with a dramatic recount of the 2009 satellite collision, where an active communications satellite inadvertently collided with a defunct Russian Cosmos satellite. This accident generated thousands of debris fragments, significantly escalating the issue of space junk and underscoring the urgent need for sustainable practices in orbit.
Narrator:
"The collision served as a wake-up call for the space industry, highlighting long-term risks of uncontrolled satellite failures." [00:01]
Satellites are portrayed as the backbone of contemporary society, facilitating communication networks, GPS services, financial transactions, and national security operations. As space becomes increasingly crowded and contested, safeguarding these orbital assets becomes paramount.
Narrator:
"Satellites are critical to modern life. They power communication networks, enable GPS, support financial transactions and play a vital role in national security." [03:06]
Ben Baney, Program Leader for Space at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, emphasizes the multifaceted nature of space security. He clarifies misconceptions about extraterrestrial threats, focusing instead on real-world challenges such as protecting satellites from cyber and physical attacks.
Ben Baney:
"Space security is this idea that we need to find a way to operate in space despite another country trying to attack our space systems." [03:06]
Ben Baney:
"I think for most people, space is this unseen set of capabilities... It's very complicated and very technical, but also really important." [03:50]
Willem DeVries, Associate Program Leader for the Space Science and Security Program, discusses the necessity of space domain awareness. Effective traffic management in space relies on both ground-based and space-based tracking systems to monitor the increasing number of objects orbiting Earth.
Willem DeVries:
"Traffic management in space is a real need... our application is basically little satellites from space doing the same thing as the ones on the ground." [04:27]
Willem DeVries:
"If you can train something to recognize cats, then, well, you can train something to recognize streaks, right?" [16:07]
The podcast delves into the historical developments in space security, tracing back to the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) of the 1980s. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory played a pivotal role in pioneering technologies like Brilliant Pebbles—a network of small autonomous satellites designed to intercept ballistic missiles through kinetic impact.
Ben Baney:
"The idea behind Brilliant Pebbles was to field a whole series of satellites in space that had interceptors upon them... This was kind of the cornerstone of the Strategic Defense Initiative, and it was executed at Livermore." [07:47]
However, with the end of the Cold War, space security initiatives waned until China's 2007 Anti-Satellite (ASAT) test reignited global concerns over space debris and the militarization of space.
Ben Baney:
"There was going to be a whole new set of demands from the US Government about thinking about space security, thinking about how do we know what's going on in space. What we call space domain awareness." [09:14]
As satellite launches surge—China alone conducted over 400 launches in the past two years, predominantly for Earth observation—the complexity of space security intensifies. The episode highlights the dual threats of physical attacks, such as kinetic and nuclear weapons, and cyber threats, including hacking and electronic warfare.
Ben Baney:
"There are ground-based direct ascent weapons... you could change the data in that data stream, potentially." [10:26]
Narrator:
"Cyber attacks pose a silent but potent threat where hackers can remotely hijack or disable satellites, causing widespread disruption to communication and navigation systems." [10:54]
Natural threats like solar flares and coronal mass ejections (CMEs) are also significant hazards to space infrastructure. The episode recounts the May 2024 solar flare event, the strongest in years, which disrupted several GPS satellites and affected various technological systems on Earth.
Willem DeVries:
"There was actually an outage there. Some GPS satellites, some other things got put offline for a little bit." [15:32]
NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory plays a crucial role in monitoring solar activity, providing early warnings to mitigate the impact of such events on satellites and ground-based systems.
Willem DeVries:
"NASA has these Solar Dynamics Observatories... satellites will either reboot or reset." [15:24]
Artificial Intelligence (AI) is revolutionizing space domain awareness by automating the detection and tracking of space debris and potential threats. AI algorithms can process vast amounts of data in real-time, identifying collision risks and enabling swift decision-making without overwhelming ground stations.
Willem DeVries:
"If you can train something to recognize cats, then, well, you can train something to recognize streaks, right?" [16:07]
Narrator:
"By processing data on board and sending down only the most critical information, AI reduces the strain on ground systems and enables real-time decision making in space." [16:22]
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is at the forefront of developing cutting-edge technologies to secure space. Their initiatives include AI-driven satellite tracking, quantum encryption for secure communications, and rapid-deploy optical systems to enhance space surveillance capabilities.
Ben Baney:
"We're able to cut through and see across these different disciplines to be able to bring solutions to the hardest problems and to bring those forward." [17:15]
As space becomes an increasingly contested and congested domain, the importance of robust space security measures cannot be overstated. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's ongoing commitment to innovation and protection plays a critical role in maintaining the stability and resilience of the satellite-dependent infrastructures that underpin modern society.
Narrator:
"Space is essential for exploration and for maintaining everyday systems, and space security ensures the stability and resilience of these critical networks by anticipating threats and staying ahead of emerging challenges." [17:26]
Key Takeaways:
Notable Quotes:
Ben Baney:
"Space security is this idea that we need to find a way to operate in space despite another country trying to attack our space systems." [03:06]
Willem DeVries:
"If you can train something to recognize cats, then, well, you can train something to recognize streaks, right?" [16:07]
Narrator:
"Space is essential for exploration and for maintaining everyday systems, and space security ensures the stability and resilience of these critical networks by anticipating threats and staying ahead of emerging challenges." [17:26]
Final Thoughts:
"Space Security" on the Big Ideas Lab podcast offers an in-depth exploration of the challenges and innovations shaping the future of space operations. Through expert insights and detailed discussions, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the critical measures needed to protect our space-based infrastructure in an increasingly complex and contested environment.