"Bigfoot in the Backyard" w/ Tiffany S. Doran

Summary

Bigfoot Collectors Club

Episode: "Bigfoot in the Backyard" w/ Tiffany S. Doran

Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Michael McMillan & Riley Bray
Guest: Tiffany S. Doran (Romantic suspense & paranormal author, host of Veil of the Shadows podcast)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Michael and Riley welcome Tiffany S. Doran, an author of romantic suspense who has crossed into the world of paranormal fiction, podcasting, and (possibly) haunted houses. Tiffany shares her journey as a writer, her advice for aspiring authors, and, most tantalizingly, the high strangeness and paranormal activity that has unfolded at her home in Virginia—including poltergeist-like goings-on, generational Ouija board drama, ghostly cigarette smoke, "Starman," and a close-quarters Bigfoot sighting. Alongside the club's usual banter, the gang also hits on recent UFO headlines and the ongoing overlap between cryptid encounters and hauntings.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Writing Romantic Suspense & Paranormal Fiction

• How Tiffany got started:

  • Wanted to read a book that didn't exist, so she wrote it herself (05:28).
  • First wrote "Desires of the Heart" in 2015 but kept it private until 2022 due to concerns about its appeal; ultimately released it after "2022 was the year we stopped caring" (06:43).
  • Advice for writers:

    "You just have to sit down and do it. But don't edit while you're writing because it takes so long... Write what's in your head. Get it on the piece of paper. Be like, yeah, this is crap, this is crap... But that's okay. It's all part of it." – Tiffany S. Doran (05:48)

• Transition to the paranormal:

  • Began writing scripts for podcasts like Paranormal Odyssey and Sasquatch Odyssey after quitting her job in 2023.
  • Delved into full-blown paranormal/cryptid fiction with "Unfamiliars" (featuring Bigfoot, Pukwudgies, Black Eyed Kids, etc.) and "Dogman, Terror in the Woods".

• On Dogman vs. Bigfoot:

  "I don't think Dogman is a werewolf... I think they were naturally or supernaturally always Dogman." – Tiffany S. Doran (11:17)

2. The Paranormal in Tiffany's Home

a) Ouija Board Origins & Family Lore

• Tiffany's sister brought home a Ouija board as a teen, against parents’ wishes (26:09).

• Parents had their own prior Ouija board incident; tried to burn a board and saw a "blue flame" (26:47).

  "That's just gonna make everyone angry." – Tiffany's dad (as quoted by Tiffany, 26:43)

• Sister "explicitly came home to raise the dead" and Tiffany was "chicken" about it (27:20).

b) Poltergeist Activity & The "It"

• Paranormal activity began after husband’s Bigfoot encounter (~2021).
• Experiences include:
  • Pacing in the hallway when home alone (29:15).
  • Distinct sound of a fingernail dragging down the bedroom door—

    "That one did not feel nice. That one did not feel nice at all." – Tiffany (30:25)

  • "It" described as nonhuman, ominous presence.
  • Doorknob starts turning, but it's just daughter entering—building up maximum tension (32:08).

  • Phantom cigarette smoke travels from room to room, persistent for years; sometimes overwhelming (34:13, 34:44).

    "It's a smell ghost." – Michael McMillan (36:12)

  • Grandchildren consistently see "a man" at the top of the stairs. Second-oldest refers to him as "Starman" (39:03).

    "Nana, where's Starman?" – Tiffany’s grandson (39:24)

c) Haunted Objects

• Giraffe statues from an antique store seem to trigger activity in the dining room (41:11).
• Statues reportedly "turn in circles" by themselves (41:47).
• Discussion about dolls as soul vessels ("Dolls were made to hold souls.") (42:33).
• TVs turn on without explanation—once turning on "Blippi" kids' show after house was empty (40:04).

d) Other Phenomena

• Grandson as a baby staring at corners of the room/ceiling (37:33).
• Voices outside house at night (and day) calling "Help me"—advice to children never to open the door for such a voice (50:30).

e) Physical Manifestations

• Husband's college diploma falls off the wall during ominous "red light" experience at 2am; room filled with malevolent presence ("fight or flight") (47:50).

• Family has adopted a "live and let after-live" attitude, setting boundaries ("You can live peaceably in this house... Quit breaking my stuff.") (49:58).

  "Quit picking fights with my husband in the middle of the night." – Michael (49:58)

3. Bigfoot Encounter in the Backyard (54:12)

• Husband saw something large, brown, and upright—estimated 8–8.5 ft tall—while weed-eating in backyard (51:48).

• Sighting was brief, across a chain-link fence, in dense brush ("Amazon jungle in the summer").

  "It gruffed at him, almost like he was disgusted by him being there, making all this noise." – Tiffany (54:35)

• No tracks checked for; paranormal activity in the home seemed to ramp up after the sighting.
• Mysterious row of wet rocks (from nearby creek) found lined up on driveway—possible "gifting" (57:15).
• Tree snapped and placed across driveway after Tiffany returns home for lunch without any noise or explanation (58:43).
• Occasional whoop calls (60:05).

4. Community & Current Podcast Projects

• Tiffany’s new YouTube show: Veil of the Shadows.
• Encouragement to share more stories and connect via Discord/YouTube/BCC Clubhouse.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On writing:

  "There was a girl who wrote a Bigfoot erotica book in bro. She made 30 grand first month." – Tiffany S. Doran (12:52)

• On blending genres:

  "The Unfamiliars has everything you could imagine in it. It has Bigfoot, it has Pukwudgies, it has... Black Eyed Kids in that one." – Tiffany S. Doran (10:19)

• On boundaries with ghosts:

  "If you want to live here, fine. Quit breaking my stuff, because now I got to fix it." – Tiffany S. Doran (49:58)

• On living with strangeness:

  "We're just chilling homies with the ghosties, you know... You kind of have to subdue [your fear] a little bit." – Tiffany S. Doran (47:04)

• Creepiest occurrence:

  "Every single one of them would stand at the foot of the steps and see a man." – Tiffany (38:39)
  "...he called him Starman." (39:03)

• Hosts reflect:

  "It's not often that we have a guest on the show that is like currently living in a poltergeist house. And so casually so, so casual about it." – Michael & Riley (69:39)

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UFO & High Strangeness News

[15:34] UFO crash in Poland:

• Recent "UFO" crash (later alleged to be a Russian drone) in Poland leads to conspiracies about government cover–ups (15:43–18:03).

  “Not everything’s a freaking drone.” – Tiffany (17:32)
  “But they're saying it's a UFO. They literally say an unidentified flying object.” – Michael (17:48)

[19:17] Missouri "Black Triangle" UFO video:

• Video surfaces of a triangular UFO near St. Peter’s, Missouri (“would ‘cloak in a ball of light before reappearing’”).
• Witnesses speculate secret military craft; Tiffany shares local black triangle stories:

  "You gotta watch them black triangles because they hover down...” – Tiffany (20:41)

• Michael:

  “I mean, I've kind of been in the camp that those black triangles are probably like Secret military craft.” (21:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:03 – Introduction to Tiffany S. Doran
• 05:28 – Beginnings as a romantic suspense writer; advice for writers
• 09:56 – Paranormal/cryptid fiction and podcasting
• 11:17 – Tiffany’s take on Dogman and cryptids
• 26:09 – Family Ouija board history
• 29:15 – First personal poltergeist experiences in the house
• 34:13 – Phantom cigarette smoke & haunting escalates
• 37:33 – Grandchild sees “the man” (a.k.a. Starman) at top of stairs; haunted objects & antique store giraffes
• 41:47 – Giraffe statues move on their own
• 47:50 – Husband's encounter with malevolent presence and falling picture
• 50:30 – "Help me" voices outside
• 54:12 – Husband’s Bigfoot encounter & aftermath
• 57:15 – Mysterious rock gifting & snapped tree
• 64:58 – Lightning round: "Believe It or B.S."
• 67:55 – Where to find Tiffany’s books and podcast
• 69:39–71:44 – Host reactions & closing reflections

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Lightning Round: "Believe It or B.S." [64:58]

Tiffany’s beliefs are open to most cryptids, ghostly, and extraterrestrial phenomena ("believe it" on nearly everything except some human-made occult items).

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Resources and Where to Find Guest

• Books: Amazon, Hanger One Publishing, Barnes & Noble
• Podcast: Veil of the Shadows (YouTube)
• Social: @tiffanysdoran (Facebook & others)

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Final Host Reflections

• Hosts are floored at the ongoing, casual nature of Tiffany’s experiences and her good humor about “chilling with the ghosties.”
• Note the classic overlap of high strangeness: Bigfoot, poltergeist, and mimicked voices all in one case (71:13).
• Michael wants more updates, especially kid-drawn pictures of “Starman.”
• Show ends with club news, recommendations (Eddington, Alien Earth), and encouragement for community engagement.

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For Listeners

If you love a mix of creepy true stories, cryptid lore, writing advice, and the kind of poltergeist drama that feels both lived-in and deeply strange, this episode delivers. Tiffany’s tales offer that rare blend of the familiar (haunted house tensions) and the spectacular (Bigfoot sightings, poltergeist antics, & literary inspiration). Both newbies and seasoned fans of high strangeness will find plenty to keep them tuning in.

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Notable Conclusion:

“We're just chilling homies with the ghosties.” – Tiffany S. Doran (47:04)

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Transcript

[Michael McMillan]

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[Tiffany S. Doran]

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[Michael McMillan]

When did I get here?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

What do you mean?

[Michael McMillan]

I swear it was just moments ago that I accepted a great offer from Carvana online. I must have time tracked travel to the future.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It was just moments ago. We do same day pickup. Here's your check for that great offer.

[Michael McMillan]

It is the future. It's.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It's the present. And just the convenience of Carvana. Sorry to blow your mind.

[Michael McMillan]

It's all good.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

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[Riley Bray]

It's Bigfoot Collectors Club with Michael and Rob Riling. I know a story of highest rangeness or two. Let's do this.

[Michael McMillan]

You gotta start with a big smile, Riley.

[Riley Bray]

That's right. You put a smile on your face and you get out the door.

[Michael McMillan]

That's right. Hi everybody. Welcome back to Bigfoot Collectors Club. The show where we talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history and share stories of high strangeness. I am your host, Michael McMillan. With me always is the wonderful wizard of Khaz. Oh, like cosmic.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, like.

[Michael McMillan]

Like cosmeteers.

[Riley Bray]

The wizard of Kos.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, you're the wizard. Wizard of cause, dude. Not cosplay.

[Riley Bray]

I know. I was like, do I.

[Michael McMillan]

Is that you're also not like causing problems for people?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, I was like cause and effect.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. Causality.

[Riley Bray]

Riley Bray. Hi.

[Michael McMillan]

Hi, Riley.

[Riley Bray]

Who's that from?

[Michael McMillan]

That was submitted by California girl over on the Discord, which y' all can gain access to if you join us at the BCC clubhouse over at bcc.supercast.com Riley. It feels weird to not be doing our big strange vacation anymore.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

We.

[Michael McMillan]

I had such a great summer.

[Riley Bray]

I know.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. And now it's back to school. I'm sad.

[Riley Bray]

Back to school time. I. You know, I'm ready though. I got, you know, it's like you get your new back to school sneakers and you get that. That new backpack.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, yeah. Lunchbox. The lunchbox was always the thing that I was excited about.

[Riley Bray]

Were you Ninja Turtles lunchbox?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. I had GI. I had GI Joe, I had Star Wars. I had ET Whatever the. You know, whatever. I was into Thundercats probably. But my mom always made me drink milk. Our guest is nodding. We have to bring her in a minute. I always. My mom would always put milk in my thermos. So, like, by week two, my lunchbox just smelled like milk. Ooh, yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, no. That's a visceral childhood mem there.

[Michael McMillan]

The.

[Riley Bray]

The milky smell, the old milk smell.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah. It's not great, right? We have a wonderful guest today. A new friend for the clubhouse. Real quick though, I want to let everybody. I want to point everyone's attention to the BCC YouTube channel. Now, we talked about this last week. We had a. We have a new ghost quest out where we went to the Eldridge Hotel in Lawrence. We threw up some video for that. But we also have more video from our trip from Kansas City and Kansas. Our Legend Quest Kansas, a multi part series of shorts.

[Riley Bray]

It's a saga, really.

[Michael McMillan]

It's really a saga. If you ever wondered what it was like to go legend tripping with you, me, Steve Berg, and W. Dave Keith the morning after a very fun night of partying, then join us, won't you?

[Riley Bray]

That's what it is.

[Michael McMillan]

And you know, spoiler alert, we didn't find any Bigfoot, but it was. We had a blast.

[Riley Bray]

Yes, we did.

[Michael McMillan]

It's who you find along the way.

[Riley Bray]

Yes, that's the Bigfoot.

[Michael McMillan]

Exactly. Okay. Poor thing is just sitting here listening to us ramble. Our guest this week is a romantic suspense author and paranormal enthusiast based in the scenic mountains of Virginia. She has a brand new podcast called Veil of the Shadows, which you can check out right now, I believe, on YouTube. Club Scouts of all timelines, please give a warm Club Scout salute to Tiffany S. Doran. Tiffany, welcome to the show.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Hey, thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I used to listen to you guys all the time when I was at work.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, what happened? Did you get sick of us or did you quit your job?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I quit my job.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, good.

[Riley Bray]

Right on, right on.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, I'm sorry. So excited to have you here. And I. I thought I would kick this off. Riley, I know you're already thinking about this. This is really great timing that you came on the show, Tiffany, because I myself have just begun to dabble in the romantic crypted area. After threatening to do it for a while, I wrote my very first chapter, which we read at our live show in Kansas last month. So I want to know, do you have. How did you get into romantic suspense novels? How many Cryptids do they involve? And what advice do you have for budding writers?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, I started writing romance suspense in 2015. I wanted to read a book like it, but I couldn't find it, so I wrote it.

[Michael McMillan]

Yes. I mean, this is how we started doing this show. I wanted a. I wanted to listen to the podcast that wasn't there. So we started making it. I love this.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. You just have to sit down and do it and. But don't edit, like, why you're writing because it takes so long.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So write what's in your head. Get it on the piece of paper. Be like, yeah, this is crap. This is crap. This is crap. And a lot of times you'll just ball it up and start over. But that's okay. It's all part of it. So. But that's. That's what I did in 2015. I just sat down and wrote the book, and then I held it on a hard drive forever. I'm talking 2022.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, wow. You really kept it not a secret, or were you just shy about it for a while, or.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I was. I was. Because it was something that I didn't think anybody would like. You know, you write this stuff because you feel it. And I'm like, well, what if nobody else feels it? So then I was like. And at that point in my life, I was like, I really cared what people thought.

[Michael McMillan]

Sure.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And then in 2022, you just don't care anymore.

[Michael McMillan]

That was the year we stopped caring. Exactly.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So I was like, all right, well, I guess we're gonna do this now. So I sent it to. I had been working with Chapter Buzz, which is an awesome writing platform. And so I had been. You know, I'd known him for, like, ever in a day. And so I was like, okay, well, I'm just gonna do this now. And so he's like, finally. You know, because it ranks your books and it ranks you as an author, and it's always been at the very top of chapter Buzz. And he was like, you really need to do this. And I'm like, yeah, but I don't think I really should. So finally, in 22, I just said, why not?

[Michael McMillan]

I love it. And what was your first book?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It's Desires of the Heart.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, here we go.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. So it is a love triangle with this female, and her name is Katie, and she's. She's gorgeous. She's gorgeous. She's the fair complected red hair, green eyes. Everybody loves her.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And then someone loves her so much that he's been stalking her.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, yes. Bad news.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Bad news. So. But that's how it Culminated. And I wanted it to be exciting, you know, I wanted her to. She has the. The guy that she fell in love with at high school who had to move, and then her dad's new farm hand came in. So now she has feelings for him. But then her high school sweetheart comes back and then she goes missing.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh no.

[Riley Bray]

Multiple suspects. I'm in.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, I gotta crack this open and get here. I gotta find out what happens.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, well, there's a sequel because I couldn't.

[Michael McMillan]

They must have found her then.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I couldn't leave it alone. I couldn't leave it alone. I had to pick it back up and write a part too. So I did that. So that's out there too.

[Michael McMillan]

I love it. Now, do these books primarily, they're in the suspense realm, but do they. Do they stay in our world or do you bring any of your paranormal influences into your writing?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Those two books are just the romance. Suspense.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So I made the leap to the paranormal encrypted while I was still working. So I put these books out. They came out, I think. I don't know, I'm awful with timing, but they came out 23, I think the summer of 23, 24, something like that. But not 23. Cuz I quit my job in 2023. So after I quit my job that my husband had been telling me to leave forever in a day, I had a phone call or a text message rather saying, you know, and this was from at the time, Paranormal Odyssey. And it was Wayne Tuthero saying, hey, you know, I wanted to introduce myself to you. I heard that you like to write and I was wondering if you would like to write a couple episodes for the show. And I was like, well, yeah, you know, that sounds fun. I'll do that. And then a week later, Brian King Sharp from Sasquatch Odyssey reached out to me and said, hey, I know you're doing this for Wayne, but would you like to do this for me?

[Michael McMillan]

All the Odyssey guys knocking on your door?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. So the Unfamiliars I wrote episodes for. For Paranormal Odyssey and then Dog Man, Tear in the Woods, I wrote episodes for. For Sasquatch Odyssey.

[Michael McMillan]

I love this. Now why did you go for the unconventional choice of Dogman over Bigfoot?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, I was. The Unfamiliars has everything you could imagine in it. It has bigfoot, it has pukwudgies, it has man.

[Michael McMillan]

You went from Bigfoot directly to Puck Wedgies. That is a wide range.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I put it all in there. You have the Black Eyed kids in that one.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, all of them. Yep. They all live in that book.

[Michael McMillan]

This sounds fun.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. So with Dogman, Terror in the Woods, I couldn't. You know, it has Bigfoot in it, but it's primarily Dogman because I didn't want to have two Bigfoot books out coming out at the same time.

[Michael McMillan]

Of course not. Now, what is. Yeah, what is your take on Dogman? This was a cryptid that when we started the show, I. I was very much a skeptic of, and now I'm way more open to it. So, like, what's your. Like, what's your pitch on Dog Man? What is. What is Dog Man?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, I don't think Dogman is a werewolf. Right. Because werewolves. People turn into werewolves. And this is all just my opinion. So everybody listening, watching, don't come for me. But I don't think they turn into them. You know, I think they were naturally or supernaturally always Dogman.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay. I love this. Born a dog boy, become a dog man, yet.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Once a dog boy, always dog boy.

[Michael McMillan]

I love this. I'm so excited. I gotta. I got to check this stuff out and maybe get inspired myself. Riley, are you. Are you picking up on any. Any inspiration here for. For the new BCC Cryptid erotica that we're gonna. We're gonna be pumping out the years to come?

[Riley Bray]

I just think it's like, you know, it started as a bit, but it's like you said, you just gotta write what's in your heart. And I actually. I really did love what you said about when you're. When you're writing, don't edit. I think that's a very don't perspective. Yeah, you edit later. Don't create your own blocks. Just get it. Get it out.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I mean, and if you really want to edit, like, write a whole entire chapter first, because then you can go back and you can look at it from a reader standpoint instead of a writer standpoint and say, okay, well, how does this make me feel when I read it? How do I want to convey the feeling? Now, Bigfoot erotica. There was a girl who wrote a Bigfoot erotica book in bro. She made 30 grand.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

First month.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa. Okay, that's. This.

[Riley Bray]

Just write. Just write. Write it out. You're a writer, Michael. You must write.

[Michael McMillan]

I gotta finish this book. Tiffany, now, what do you think about the pen name? Chelsea St. James?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I think that's very elegant.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, good. All right. I just figure people might be more willing to try it out with a name like Chelsea St James behind the pen, and then later they can find out it's me.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Then they'll be like, okay, all right. They read the books.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's. After I've already hooked them. After I've already earned their trust.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

That's right. Now, see, and I. I have dabbled in the quote unquote, spicy, dark erotica writing. And I. I sent it to a couple people and I'm like, well, what is. What do you think about this? And one of my friends was like, well, I need to go take a cold shower now. Thank you.

[Riley Bray]

You did your job.

[Michael McMillan]

There you go.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I don't really know how I would feel about throwing a big furry creature in there. I mean, at least not in what I wrote.

[Michael McMillan]

Right, right, right, right. Well, there's always room to grow. And also, like, I don't know how. I mean, mine's gonna be a little spicy, but I don't know how. I don't know how spicy it's gonna get. You know what I mean? I guess we'll find out. I just won't edit until I'm done. I'm done with the first. There you go.

[Riley Bray]

Words to live by.

[Michael McMillan]

All right.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And you'll be going, dang, Michael, that sounds a little much.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's why I have the pen name. So nobody knows my Twisted Imagination.

[Riley Bray]

Except for this podcast.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, everybody that across the Internet in the city of Leavenworth that I read it to, right?

[Riley Bray]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Over a PA System. Okay, Tiffany, we got a lot of show to get to. We're so happy you're here. Already off to a great start. Riley, cue that music because we have her some BCC news. Okay, I got a couple short stories here. One might already be explained and probably will be explained by the time this episode drops. However, with stories like these, you always know there's going to be conspiracy theories behind it. So did you guys know that as of this recording this morning, an unidentified flying object crashed and exploded in Poland's In. In Poland.

[Riley Bray]

Nope.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, east side of Poland. It says in Poland's east. And I thought they. They left the headline. Left a word off there, but no.

[Riley Bray]

Right.

[Michael McMillan]

This is from pbs. Okay. Warsaw, Poland. An unidentified flying object crashed into a cornfield and exploded in eastern Poland early Wednesday, the country's news agency PAP reported. Local police said that they received reports of the crash around 2am and found burned metal and plastic debris at the scene near the village of Osani. As a result of the explosion, windows were broken in some houses, but nobody was injured. Poland's Armored Armed Forces Operational Command said Wednesday on social media that no Violations of Polish airspace from neighboring Ukraine or Belarius were Belarus were recorded overnight. Officials initially said the explosion may have been caused by a part of an old engine with a propeller. Defense Minister Vlad SLA Kosnik Kamskies later said that the. Sorry, buddy. The object was most likely a drone, adding that an analysis was underway to determine whether it was a military or smuggling one. We have a lot of manpower. We have a lot of army to help help us. A prosecutor is saying to pbs, I hope that we will be able to finish the operation by this evening. So I know that right before we got on to record, I checked on the story. Now they're saying it was a Russian drone. But, you know, these are the fun kind of story headlines that I like. When I see UFO crash in a cornfield in Poland. I feel like you're really opening the door wide for all sorts of COVID up and conspiracy theory here. So.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Agreed.

[Michael McMillan]

What do you think? Do we get a sense of possibility of alien craft here? Do we? Or do we think this is most likely earthbound?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, you know, we had Gabe Leonard on our show one time.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And he was all about, you know, the drones and his podcast Obscurum. That's what he does. And that's always what they say. It's a drone. Not everything's a freaking drone.

[Michael McMillan]

Not everything's a drone.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I'm not saying it's a ufo.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, but they're saying it's a ufo. They literally say an unidentified flying object.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Right.

[Michael McMillan]

Doesn't mean it's a space alien.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Right, but it's still a ufo. Yeah, but then they cover it up with all the pretty and say it's a drone.

[Michael McMillan]

Mm.

[Riley Bray]

So in this case though, it's probably a drone.

[Michael McMillan]

Probably a drone. But how can we trust what they're telling us? Right?

[Riley Bray]

Well, I mean, it seems like an area where you did pretty high alert about drones at the moment.

[Michael McMillan]

I just was hoping it was a little boy that a kindly Polish couple would raise to become Kal El, AKA Superman and, you know, start setting this place straight. Okay, let's move on to the next story. This is, this is a fun little video. We're staying on the UFO one. Now this one, I don't know if it's as easily explained. Now this was posted on the coast to coast website. It's been a while since we've been over there, but a witness in Missouri captured fantastic footage of a weird triangular UFO that silently hovered in the night sky. This was in August 7th in the city of St. Peter's Missouri. So very close to where we just. I mean, not too far from where we just were. Riley. The week after we were there. You know. Coincidence? I think not. But check out this video. And I'll put it up on the. On the Instagram Epic Foot Collectors club. And we'll look at it in the YouTube video.

[Riley Bray]

I'm watching it while you're talking about it.

[Michael McMillan]

It's a black triangle. There's spooky music happening here that.

[Riley Bray]

Well, you know, you gotta.

[Michael McMillan]

You gotta appreciate the ambiance. But this thing is weird looking.

[Riley Bray]

That's pretty. That's pretty. This is. This one's pretty good.

[Michael McMillan]

It's very short. The video.

[Riley Bray]

Do you know at all if this is like verified footage and not so.

[Michael McMillan]

I mean, here's the thing. So how can we ever know? Now is my problem. But the witness said it was maneuvering in an odd way. Almost like it was submerged. Taking banks and angular dives. The weird ufo they wrote would quote, would quote. Cloak in a ball of light before suddenly reappearing in a different part of the sky. Based on insights from the witness's father, a Boeing engineer and astronomer. Friends hanging out with a pretty intelligent crowd here.

[Riley Bray]

Eyebrow crowd.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. The witness indicated that they believe the object was a clandestine Air force reconnaissance craft.

[Riley Bray]

Wow.

[Michael McMillan]

Rather than an otherworldly visitor. What do you make of the intriguing footage Weighing on your thoughts? We'll weigh on your thoughts here on Bigfoot Collectors club. What do you. What do you think, Tiffany? This thing, I mean, it does kind of look plainish, but it also looks like it's giving me some black triangle vibes here.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well. And you gotta. You gotta watch them black triangles because they hover down. You know, we're friends with the Squatch watchers in North Carolina. And they have an episode where they were in the woods close to the Henry river and the supposed Indian burial mounds. They were uncertain of that at the time. But it was. It was like a black triangle. He said it was like 500ft in the air. Distance is hard when you're talking something aerial.

[Michael McMillan]

I would never be. I would never be good at that. I wouldn't be able to tell people how long it was or how far away it was or how. I don't understand.

[Riley Bray]

People do that.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, but you can see it in the sky. I mean, but it made no noise whatsoever. And it only had one tiny, like, red light flashing on the bottom.

[Riley Bray]

Weird.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

But it made no noise. It was weird.

[Michael McMillan]

I mean, I've kind of been in the camp that those black triangles are probably like Secret military craft. You know, I've kind of like feel.

[Riley Bray]

Like it even just the.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah. It's got that more ominous design and presence, obviously. And then when we see things like the stealth bomber, we're like, okay, they're into triangles and. And black things, obviously. But I don't know, because then when you get the Hudson Valley flap from the 80s and the Belgian flap from the 80s, some of that stuff definitely feels otherworldly. So I don't know, but this is very spooky video. I. I like. I like. Good. I. The thing I like about this is it's close enough that you get a sense of the shape of this thing, you know?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Right. That way you can. You can truly make your own assumptions off of it instead of being told, yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

And just being like, okay, it looks like a blinking light, but I can't. I can't make out any, you know, proportions here.

[Riley Bray]

Very craft like.

[Michael McMillan]

Very craft like. All right, well, why don't we take a quick break? When we come back, we're gonna get into Tiffany's personal paranormal history.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I don't know.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay. May we? May we?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

We. You may. Okay. That's what I'm here for.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay. Thank you.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Something goes flying off my desk, it's your fault.

[Michael McMillan]

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[Tiffany S. Doran]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Tiffany S. Doran]

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[Michael McMillan]

Okay, Tiffany, this is a question that we ask everybody who comes on the show. What is your personal paranormal history? How did you get into the realm of the unknown?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Oh, well, the first I'd ever, ever, ever heard of it was when my sister was a teenager. She's two years older than I am, so we're looking I'm 12, she's 14. Or I'm 14, she's 16. Nonetheless, she brings home a Ouija board.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, you're asking for trouble now.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I know. And my parents were like, no, we don't want that in the house because they themselves messed with one before she and I came along and had bad juju happen, of course. Duh. So then they tried to burn it.

[Michael McMillan]

And my dad said, that's just gonna make everyone Angry.

[Riley Bray]

I know.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

He said it wasn't an orange flame. It was blue the whole time. I know.

[Michael McMillan]

Cut to me just setting fire to Ouija boards to see a blue flame. Come on, blue. Come on.

[Riley Bray]

Come on, blue.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Don't try this at home, y'.

[Michael McMillan]

All. Yeah. Was your sister, like, kind of a bad. Like, was she kind of like a bad girl? Renegade. Was she gothy? Or was she.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Oh, yeah, 100.

[Michael McMillan]

Or was this, like, an innocent. Yeah, was. So was it, like, an innocent thing? We're like. I just thought it was a game.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Oh, no. She 100 knew what she was doing.

[Michael McMillan]

She came home explicitly to raise the dead.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

She absolutely did. And I swear to y', all, the dead probably still lives in that house.

[Michael McMillan]

Really?

[Riley Bray]

Oh, my.

[Michael McMillan]

Did anything strange happened after the blue flame was extinguished? Did you guys have any paranormal activity in the house growing up at all?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Not that I really paid attention to, but I wasn't really looking right, either, you know, I mean, she was the one. I was. I was chicken, y'. All.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Chicken. So she was the one who was always watching all the scary movies. I was in my room. You know, that was. That was my thing, but not. I didn't really look for it at that age.

[Michael McMillan]

What happened to your parents? What was their. What was the bad juju with their Ouija? What was their Ouija board story?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I don't know. A hundred percent. Because they didn't talk about it.

[Michael McMillan]

They won't talk about it. This sounds like maybe the Ouija board and your dad have something personal going on. You know, it's.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It's quite possible because he was the one who put it in the trash can and caught it on fire.

[Michael McMillan]

If. If your instinct is to immediately burn the Ouija board, you know, something bad happens going on there. Yeah, some bad history.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. So that's where that all first started with the paranormal. Now here. It started after my husband's Bigfoot encounter. So we're just going to skip ahead and we'll talk about that portion later. But it started right around the same time, and it. It was very minimal at the beginning. It was just, you know, I was off work one day. It was Saturday. Carrie was home from school. Our youngest daughter and I, you know, normal routine, let the dogs out, get coffee, go back to my room, lay down in the bed. There's pacing in the hallway. So I thought it was her. And I was like. I texted her. I was like, hey, are you up? Do you need anything? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Typical mom stuff. And then she didn't answer, and she didn't open it, and the pacing kept on. So I was like, okay. So then there was. We have creaky floors up here at our house, so you could hear it walk from one end of our hallway all the way to the bedroom door. And it took its. I say it took its fingernail. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. It put it at the middle of our bedroom door because we always have our bedroom door shut. And it drug it down from the middle to the floor. And I was like, I ain't never leaving this bedroom ever.

[Michael McMillan]

I also am just creeped out by you. You're already calling it it.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes, it.

[Michael McMillan]

Does it feel like it has a human quality about it, or is this like a malevolent present, like spirit?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, that one did not feel nice. That one did not feel nice at all.

[Riley Bray]

The single finger down the door is a pretty ominous meeting.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, that one, it did not feel nice.

[Michael McMillan]

And so, you know, it's just the way you knock on anyone's door when they're trying to sleep. Drag your finger down the middle. I see nothing creepy about that.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I know. Like, I had the covers all pulled up to my chin, like, in the morning, and I'm like, just. My heart's racing, you know, and my anxiety's through the roof, and I'm just, like, sipping coffee, and I'm like, please, just go away, Lord, just make it go away.

[Michael McMillan]

So strange that it was in the morning as well.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes, it was daytime. And so after that, I was. It was. It was same day, same time period. You know how a kid sounds when they run up and down the steps, you know? So it's that when they're running up the steps. So I was like, this is Carrie for sure, 100%. This is my child. No, nothing. She was still sleeping. So then I'm trying to debunk it, right? I'm like, okay, well, maybe it's the dogs on the deck stairs. No, because that's on the opposite side. And the stairwell is right outside our bedroom door that this happened. So then I'm like, a hundred percent. Even more so. I am never leaving this bedroom. I have a shower. I have my clothes. I don't need to eat. I just had coffee. I'm set. So. But it went from that to now when Carrie did wake up and my doorknob started to turn. I'm freaking, right? She doesn't have any idea what happened to me.

[Michael McMillan]

So the doorknob is jiggling at this point?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

How far into this cup of coffee did you get? Are you. Cause I would just. I do enjoy the idea of you just being, like, in between sips, being scared, and then being like, back to my coffee now.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Like, you know, I'm like, just trying to distract myself. Coffee in the Weather Channel. There we go. That's safe.

[Michael McMillan]

Nothing gets in my way.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Nope. But, yeah, so she's, like, slowly opening the door, and I'm like, I'm afraid of what is going to be on the other side of the store when it opens, so. But it was her. And I'm like, oh, thank God. So. But that was the only malevolent feeling, anything that. That I felt that day. The rest of it is the phantom smells, the cigarette smoke, the.

[Michael McMillan]

Ooh. Okay, now, I would be remiss to say you had a teenager in the house, it sounds like. Yeah, I was a sneaky smoker as a teenager.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

No, well, she's not.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

She's not a smoker of any kind.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, good.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So. But it was. It's in our den downstairs. We walked in, and it just. It just hit you in the face, you know, and we don't smoke. And so I was like, okay, well, maybe because our house was built in 1972, maybe it's in the paneling, you know, but it's not there all the time. It's just periodically there. So then we were trying to debunk it and was like, well, you know, my husband knows the girl that we bought the house from, but she didn't smoke. She was a traveling nurse, so she wasn't even hardly here. So then you're like, okay, well, did the other people who lived here. Well, I can't find that out for certain, but if it were actually in the wood paneling, you're going to smell it more than just periodically. So it was. It was only in the den for a long time, and since then, it has kind of traveled from the den to our dining room to our bedroom.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

To her bedroom.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, no.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

To the living room. Yes. So.

[Michael McMillan]

So this is still active right now.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

This is still going on with the cigarette smell? Yes, it is, because she'll. You know, when it first started, she would tell me, mom, I smell it. And I'm like, well, just pray it away. Just pray it away. I think that's the best advice I could give you.

[Michael McMillan]

What else are you gonna do at this point? Exactly. You know.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Exactly. And so. But then, you know, it's just traveled around that. And one night, it was so bad in mine and my husband's bedroom. I was gonna have to leave because I did used to smoke, but I quit when. When she was 2 and she'll be 16 this year, so, I mean, it's been forever. But it. The smell of it was so strong in our room, and it was all three of us together, and it. I. I thought I was gonna have to leave.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, what. What now, obviously, you guys have obviously lived with this and looked more into it than I have, but, like, immediately where my mind is going is, okay, we. We've had a presence that you've heard moving around the house. And, you know, when you're a smoker, you smell like smoke. You know, especially if you're like a, like chain smoker or a three pack a day kind of guy. Two pack a day kind of guy, whatever. And so I'm imagining if this is a spirit of maybe somebody who once lived in the house, maybe the original owner, then maybe the smell isn't just like this, you know, cloud of scent that's moving through the house like mist. Maybe it's literally where the guy is in the house at the time, and that's. The smell's just going with him, and that's kind of where you can track him. I mean, does the whole house fill or does it move from room to room?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It moves from room to room. It's not in one place.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, I'm getting chills now. This is. It's. It's. It's. It's a smell ghost. You know what I mean?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It's a smelling.

[Michael McMillan]

That's how you know he's there.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. Yes.

[Riley Bray]

It's a spooky smell for a ghost to smell like, too.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes, exactly. Like. Jeez. And I. I felt so bad. I was like. I never realized I smelled so awful. Like, I am so sorry.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, it depends on who you hang with. And my friends at the time did not care. Yeah, but it. I. Yeah, this. There's a very Beetlejuice quality about this particular ghost because you do feel like, you know. Well, the story I'm writing now is that this person smoked, fell asleep in bed, and then that's how they died. And now they've never gotten out of, you know, out of the house. You know, they're still walking around this cloud of smoke. What are. What else is. Do. Do you guys get any orb activity? Any other poltergeist activity?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, we haven't seen any orbs, but I will tell you when it all first started. She was sleeping upstairs in this bedroom. Now, when our oldest daughter had our first Grandson. He was in that room that she is in now, and he was a little over a year old. Wake up in the middle of the night. You go in there and he's in his crib. He's in the corner of his crib and he's looking at the corner of the ceiling.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. So I'm thinking, I really think now.

[Michael McMillan]

The baby standing with his back turned, staring up at the corner of the ceiling. Okay.

[Riley Bray]

That, that always a bad sign.

[Michael McMillan]

This is not good.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. It's not terrible.

[Michael McMillan]

This is the scariest thing you've told me so far.

[Riley Bray]

And it's been pretty scary.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes, yes. So that, you know, he. He's five now, but when they used to come over, she has four. She. She was recently married and her husband had three. So we have seven grandsons.

[Michael McMillan]

Good Lord.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes, seven and under.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow. God bless you.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. But before she had got married, her four would run around. We had like the Martinsville Speedway, you know, for your kitchen. Dining room.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And they make a circle, but every single one of them would stand at the foot of the steps and see a man.

[Michael McMillan]

Every single one of them, they would say this. They're like, there's a man.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

There's a man up there.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, now we're getting somewhere.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

What did they describe him looking like? Would they just.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

They. There was really no description. The only thing that changed about this description was our second to the oldest. He called him Starman.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Now we're so really freaking me out, Tiffany. Why? This is when you break out that hundred Crayola box of crowns and you sit all seven kids down, you're like, you start drawing what you're seeing. Drop the star man.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I want to know what he looked like. Like.

[Michael McMillan]

And then of course, there's always one that's gonna be like, he's got poo poo on his head. You know, he's a poo poo man.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yep.

[Michael McMillan]

What is the Starman?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I don't know. I don't know. I have no clue. Your guess is as good as mine because they came over one night and he came to me in the kitchen. I was fixing spaghetti and everybody was gonna eat dinner, and he said, nana, where's Starman? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't. I don't know because I don't see him. I don'. I don't know. But that same night, okay, they were in the living room watching Blippi. Right. Loved Blippi at that time.

[Michael McMillan]

What's Blippi?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I'M I'm out of the kids TV show guy. Okay, so he's rather annoying. But anyways, that specific point tracks. They were watching him. And so when they had left, I turned the TV off. I went to the kitchen to clean up the kitchen, do dishes, and Blippi starts playing again in the living room. Nobody's in there. I'm the only one downstairs.

[Riley Bray]

Just turned back on and the TV.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Was on when I walked into the living room. And I was like, well, damn, I'm just gonna go back in here because you get to a point to where it. It doesn't feel harmful. It doesn't feel heavy or malevolent when you come in my house. It's. I try to keep everything light and airy because I'm happy, peppy, positive person. So that's how I try to keep the vibe at our house, so it doesn't feel gross when you walk in. It's just these little, you know, offhanded things, you know? I'm a big lover of giraffes, as you can see behind me.

[Michael McMillan]

And so I have my favorite animals.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I love giraffes. Like, oh, my God. So I have giraffe statues in the dining room. And I really think. And she didn't mean to. She. My best friend was like, we're gonna go to an antique store, and we're gonna get her these giraffe statues. So she did that one year for my birthday. And I really think something came home with those giraffes that she wasn't intending.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, because the activity started in the.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Dining room with the giraffes because they would turn in circles.

[Michael McMillan]

Wait, what?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

So is this. Are you saying this is. Okay, we got Starman at the top of the stairs, and now in the dining room, we have giraffes turning in circles?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

We do.

[Michael McMillan]

Unrelated.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Unrelated. I'm assuming it's unrelated.

[Michael McMillan]

Interesting. I mean, they could be, because we had a guest on a few weeks ago, a friend of the show, Donalyn Champlin, who had animatronics that were haunted in the house. And I'm wondering now, because my mind is so fresh on this, that what if. What if. What if they're just using the giraffes as vessels to get your attention, you know?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, because. Do you know why dolls were even made? Dolls were made to hold souls.

[Michael McMillan]

Wait, what?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, look it up. Dolls were made to hold souls.

[Michael McMillan]

Hold on a second. I got a quick googs here. Were dolls made to hold souls that. Well, that explains why they're terrifying.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Exactly. I mean, never, ever, ever buy a baby doll from an antique store. Because that's not the only thing you're gonna buy.

[Riley Bray]

For sale.

[Michael McMillan]

Yes. In some culture context, dolls have been associated with beliefs about containing or interacting with souls or spirits. What was the original purpose? They become used in religious rituals as tools for education, social development, and representation of individuals or deities. Okay, all right, I gotta dig into this. We gotta do a doll.

[Riley Bray]

Getting our Labubu dolls demonic. I don't know.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Don't look on tick tock for that answer because it'll say yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. All right. Yeah. They almost become dybbuk boxes.

[Michael McMillan]

Right? Man. Okay, let's take a pause on the cabinet of curiosities here. Let's take a break. When we come back, we're gonna skip the game. We'll. We'll fit it into the end. We just got to keep going with it. I mean, we got too much to unpack here in too little time.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

All right.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I can always come back.

[Michael McMillan]

You will, because it sounds like an ongoing story. Okay, hold. You'll be back in two minutes.

[Riley Bray]

We will be right back.

[Michael McMillan]

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[Tiffany S. Doran]

I don't know. I don't know where to fit it. Like, I'm not afraid to ever say I don't know.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I really don't know because this is all, you know, and we've just been living with it, you know, we're just chilling homies with the ghosties, you know, And I'm not a chicken anymore. I mean, you can't really be too big of a chicken in the field that we're in, right? I mean, you can be, but you kind of have to subdue it a little bit.

[Michael McMillan]

Have you ever stood in the middle of your kitchen and gone, this is my house. This is my house. Have you had, have you been pushed to that point yet?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Riley Bray]

You need to smoke in the yard.

[Michael McMillan]

Yes. And go outside.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

My mother in law will kill me if she thinks we're smoking.

[Riley Bray]

And I said, no more TV tonight.

[Michael McMillan]

Blippi is for children, not Starmen.

[Riley Bray]

Starman's just sitting there smoking a cig.

[Michael McMillan]

Watching Blippi, you know, in his like bright star suit. Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Emanating. No, but we had a, we had an incident that led me to say that. And I slept through the whole thing, but my poor husband did not. So we have on our wall, we have our TV and then we have pictures of like our achievements. Like when I was in the magazine and I have my college diploma and he has, he's a paramedic, so he has all of his medical stuff up there. Well, one night we were sleeping and it was like 2 o' clock in the room. And at the time, we, you know, slept with the LED lights on, and they were like a royal blue color. Well, around 2 or 2:30 that morning, something happened. It was. I'm assuming it's when the picture came off the wall. But he jumped up out of the bed. The room was completely red. The LED lights had gone from blue to red. And he said that he felt like there was a presence in the room because his fight or flight, he was. He was ready to fight somebody. And so I. I don't even know how he went back to sleep after that. And I slept through it. How the hell did I sleep through that? I don't know. But he called me the next day at work, and he said, hey, when you go home from lunch, for lunch, this is what happened. And I left everything in the floor just so you could see it. And I was like, okay. So I go up to our room, and sure enough, my college diploma had fallen off and obviously hit the dresser, hit the home pod. Everything was in the floor. And people are going to be like, oh, it's just a picture frame. They fall off the wall. Well, they do, and I'll give you that. However, this picture frame, it's one of the heavy ones. You have to lift it up off of the nail to be able to get it down. And it was laying in the floor, and it was broken. So that is when I said, look, we can live peaceably in this house. If you want to live here, fine. Quit breaking my stuff, because now I got to fix it.

[Michael McMillan]

Quit picking fights with my husband in the middle of the night.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And we have the. Well, we don't have it now, thank goodness. But the help mes in the backyard. And we have always taught our children, if you ever hear anybody say, help me outside the front door, you never open the door because it could be somebody, you know, and they'll snatch you. Especially these days. Nays. Right. So she would hear the help me in the front, but they would also both hear it in the backyard.

[Michael McMillan]

So literally, voices saying, help me.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Help me.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa, now.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Yikes. This is after or during all this. I'm gonna go ahead and call it poltergeist activity in the house. For sure.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, It's. It's during the whole.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Thing. Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

But there's been. There was something that you hinted at at the top of the show that led to this or preceded all of this.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

And this is what I've read but haven't heard from you. I'VE just, you know, I haven't read the stories or anything that you had some Bigfoot activity on your property and.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It was my husband.

[Michael McMillan]

Your husband's Bigfoot?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

No. Oh my God.

[Michael McMillan]

We solved it.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

He really does have big feet though.

[Michael McMillan]

Could be him. You know what, he's still a suspect. We haven't ruled him out. So what, what happened with the Bigfoot experience on your property?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, it was the end of June of 2021. It was evening dusk, not quite dark, but you know, like anywhere between four and six. And we were mowing the grass. I love to mow the grass because I'm weird and I find it very therapeutic.

[Riley Bray]

Great activity.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It is. It's so fun. I'm at the grass today. Anyways, so since I like to mow, he will go around and weed, eat and clear bonds and stuff off of the chain link fence. Well, I had done my part, so I went up. We live on the side of a mountain, so everything is a downslope. So I had gone up and sat in front of the house and he was downstairs, you know, in the backyard cleaning everything off the fence. And so he called me and I thought he was going to ask me for water because that's very, you know, typical. And he was like, I have a question. And I said, okay. And he was like, do they come out in the daytime? And I was like, do what Come out in the daytime, honey? And he was like, bigfoot, do they come out in the daytime? And I said, well, you know, you hear of day watchers being out in the daytime, you know. And I was like, I was, I was very taken aback by that question because he's like not a skeptic, but he's like one of those open minded skeptics, you know, he gives me a bunch of crap for what I believe. But he, you know, he, he knows. But he was, he was very. I don't know, his tone was just. It was different, you know, so. And I was like, well, why do you ask? And he said, because I think I just saw one. So I am running, running right down these stairs. And so I get out there and he's. He is 6:1, like 285. And I'm 5:4 and 140. And he's like so scared. He was like, please don't leave me back here. And so I'm like trying to get a feel for, you know. And he's just, he said I had stopped to fix the line on the weed eater and I had turned my airpods down. And he said I had looked up. And he said it was 20 to 25ft away from him across the chain link fence. Now, across the chain link fence. It's like the Amazon jungle in the summer, y'. All. It's ridiculous. And he said it was like two seconds. And he said, tiffany, it was gone. It was effing gone. And he said it sounded like, you know, when you throw a walnut or a baseball through the woods, it goes, you know, and then it disappeared.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Riley Bray]

Wow.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

What did it look like? Did he get.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

He said it was about eight to eight and a half feet tall.

[Michael McMillan]

Damn.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. Completely brown and gone. That was the gist of the sighting. He didn't get any features, like facial, Nothing like that. He said it gruffed at him and took off.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa. Gruffed at him.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It gruffed at him almost like he was disgusted by him being there, you know, making all this noise.

[Michael McMillan]

I would love it, but bigfoot just.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Like, hey, buddy, gone.

[Michael McMillan]

You're not so attractive yourself.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

But it was like. And I say it every time. We don't understand which. Where it could have gone, you know.

[Michael McMillan]

When you say gone now? Because we have to. When we get. We talk about this bigfoot stuff, as you know, is he saying it. It vanished into thin, thin air. Or it took off?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

No, it took off.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It ran.

[Michael McMillan]

It ran. Okay. It was okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. So we have a little alcove right by there. So I'm like, well, maybe it just dipped down into the alcove, Lay low until the sun set the rest of the way. But if you go to the right of that, you're going to cross 221, which is bent mountain, which is a busy street, to get to the creek, and then get to the other mountains going up towards floyd county.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So you're going to be seen. You're going to be hit by a car because people go fast on that road. But if you go to the left, There's a dead end up there with tons of houses, you know? Well, I say tons. It's not tons, but.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, you're in a suburban area, it sounds like.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, we live on a dead end street. So it would have to run completely past these houses to get to the rest of the woods up there. I don't know. We have no idea. 1, 100. Sure what it was, because we're not gonna claim that it was a bigfoot because we didn't see it. See it. You know what I mean?

[Michael McMillan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So we just lay the evidence out and say Here you decide. But we've ruled everything out.

[Riley Bray]

Like, you're able to distinguish not a bear kind of, things like that.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Oh, yeah. And if we had eight and a half foot tall bears that could run on two feet.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And we do have bear. You know, we have bear on our ring camera.

[Michael McMillan]

Sure.

[Riley Bray]

So you're familiar. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know the difference. Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

It's one of those things where I know. I know how. I know how you feel in the sense that having seen stuff I can't explain before, you can only go. The closest thing I can describe it to is a bigfoot. And it looked like what people say bigfoot looks like now. Whatever the hell that is. I don't know.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Right.

[Michael McMillan]

But it's the closest descriptor available to say that's what I saw.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow. And if. Have you had any other bigfoot activity on the property since. Since that happened?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Not since 2021, but after he saw whatever that is. We had a row of rocks in our driveway. Now our driveway goes up like this. So we would have rocks. Now we have a rock wall. But these rocks did not come from our rock wall because they were wet on the bottom. We have a creek right across the street from our house.

[Michael McMillan]

No way.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. So they were placed perfectly in a line going from their garages straight up the driveway.

[Michael McMillan]

So you. You got gifted.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

We got something.

[Michael McMillan]

Did you guys give back? Did you leave anything? Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

No, we didn't. Because if you get to a point to where you can't gift them anymore, they're gonna get pretty mad.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. I mean, I think cutchin didn't josh cutch and say, like in writer told us, like, don't start the gifting game with the bigfoot. It doesn't. It doesn't end well. But I'd be so tempted.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

I'd be like, it is.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It's almost like you want to go. Okay. Come here. Bigfoot. Bigfoot. Bigfoot. No, we didn't. We didn't do that. And another incident we had. Or I had. I had come home from work on my lunch break, Went up the hill, went in the driveway, ate lunch, came out 30 minutes later, and there is a tree laying across the road.

[Michael McMillan]

What?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes. So I'll have to send you all these pictures. I didn't even think to send you these pictures.

[Michael McMillan]

Please do.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So above us, it's, you know, just a bunch of greenery and trees and stuff like that. And then the neighbor's house is above that. So for this tree I. I didn't hear anything. Machine type, you know, like chainsaw that would cut. Was not a clean, smooth edge. It was very, you know, jagged. It was almost like someone just took it and snapped it in half.

[Michael McMillan]

How big of a tree are we talking here?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

It wasn't like super humongous, Maybe like three to four inches around.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

But it was a healthy tree.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

So then I'm like, well, dang, now I gotta drag a tree out of the middle of the road. And I'm like, how the hell did this even happen? I didn't. I didn't hear the tree fall. I didn't hear anything cut the tree. It was just. There's the tree.

[Michael McMillan]

It's like it was replaced.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah, she's home now. We're trapping her.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's. Oh. Whoa. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. Wow.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Any.

[Michael McMillan]

Any sounds, any smells? You know, people just, you know, describe that rotten meat smell. Have you heard any whoops or anything?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Wait, I did hear one. You know where they do that? The falsetto. They go up with the whoop. I heard one of those one time, but nothing else. That's it. And he didn't say there was any stench or anything like that. That the few seconds he's seen it.

[Michael McMillan]

Damn. That story really reminds me of the Momo story of the kids seeing the Missouri monster in the tree line. You know, just standing there and before it walked off.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

That's crazy.

[Michael McMillan]

Riley, what are you thinking? What's your. Where's your head at with this?

[Riley Bray]

I'm just thinking it's so funny how, like, something like that can happen and then you're just like, well, I guess I'll just keep pulling weeds.

[Michael McMillan]

Because, like.

[Riley Bray]

What can you do with that? You're just like, I. I saw it. I'm telling you, I saw it. Like, it's just like such a trip. That's where my head's at with it. Just these. Having these moments and these interactions and then just having to continue on doing life and with this mystery now of like, what was that?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

What was that? And what, you know, was it drawn it because, you know, they're curious. If you go out into the woods and you're hooping and you don't know what you're saying, you know, you're just hollering. You don't know what you're saying to them. But I think if you go out there and you're just a human, their curiosity is going to bring them to you.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, the sound of a lawnmower, right? I Mean, this. There's a natural story here, which is it's saying if. You know, if. Let's. Let's assume it. It's. It's real, that it would be going, what the hell is that sound? I think I've heard that before. Let's go look. I mean, if you're a bigfoot and you were staring at a guy, you know, mowing the lawn, you'd stand there for a while and be like, what is this? You know what I mean? Or how this is why, you know, that's. That's alien technology to them.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. So who is this naked mole rat, and what is he doing exactly?

[Michael McMillan]

I mean, the thing that's so funny, so creepy about it, too, is with your husband's air pods in and the mower going, that thing could have been standing there watching him for a long time.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

And I think my husband realized. I think that sunk in with him because he's very particular about the grass. But, y', all, he didn't even finish doing anything with the yard that day. We went inside.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

No, that's true. And then I'm sure you were sitting out there with him when he finished the lawn two days later.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yeah. Yep.

[Michael McMillan]

Any tracks where it had been standing? Did you go to check for any prints?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I didn't. I didn't. Because it's the Amazon and we have ticks, and I'm not a fan.

[Riley Bray]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Best.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, no, that's fair. But what's. What's wild, too, is then all this stuff starts happening. You said after this visitor shows up in the backyard.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Then the paranormal activity kicks off and continues to this day.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Right. But no Bigfoot. No more. There hasn't been any more Bigfoot activity any more, you know, with the rocks. It hasn't been anything interesting.

[Michael McMillan]

I don't know. I don't think the story's over, obviously.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Let's hope that it's not. It doesn't get any. Just be nice.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. I was gonna say chill.

[Riley Bray]

Be good. Roommates.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Have you brought anyone in, like, a medium or somebody to. To maybe pinpoint exactly what's going on in the house?

[Tiffany S. Doran]

We haven't, because I don't want to piss it off, you know?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, Well, I don't know if it'll necessarily make it angry, you know, I.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Mean, if it'll just be copacetic with us and just, you know, if it just wants to meander. I mean, like I said, it's not all the time. It's just every Every so often now, it's not okay. It's just I don't want to agitate it, so.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, maybe you can get it out though. Maybe you can kick it out.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Well, this is true.

[Michael McMillan]

Something to consider, but, you know, then we wouldn't have more stories. You wouldn't be able to come back and tell us more.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I know.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, man. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna squeeze in the game and then we're gonna wrap. I'm so. I can't believe this hour is already over. We. We. It's crazy. Let's just. Okay. We'll be right back. Okay, Tiffany, I'm gonna run down a list of phenomena. Rapid fire style. If you're open to it, you're gonna say Believe it. If you're not open to it, you're gonna say okay. Or B.S. if you don't feel like swearing, I can say okay.

[Riley Bray]

Cool.

[Michael McMillan]

You know, with strangers I sometimes realize I'm making them curse and maybe they don't want to do it. So you have to decide.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Okay.

[Michael McMillan]

Right here and now. This is a game that we call or Believe It. Tiffany Duran. On your mark, get set. Ghosts.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Bigfoot.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

UFOs.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Mothman.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Espacabra.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

The Abominable Snowman. Ouija boards.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

The Loveland Frogman.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Hopkinsville goblins.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Skunk ape.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Hollow Earth. The Loch Ness Monster.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Crystal balls. The Beast of Busco.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Out of body experiences. The Michigan Dog Man.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Tarot cards. Wendigo's.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Life on other planets.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Life after death.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Believe it.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow. Okay, cool. So we're very open to Cryptids for the most part. Not. Not very trusting of the occult. Human made occult stuff like crystal balls and tarot cards, but right door wide open for ghost Bigfoots and UFOs. Okay, great. Any one of those that jump out to you, that's like, damn, that's one of my favorites.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I like the Dogman for sure.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, we all know Duran's got a thing for that dog, man.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I do. Because even though Dogman Terror in the woods is fiction and the unfamiliars is fiction, I did do a lot of research, you know, because I want the readers to feel it. I want it to have that realism. I want the proportions of this Dogman to be what they see in their nightmares.

[Michael McMillan]

I'm just saying to bring this back and plug your books, Tiffany. Well done, professional.

[Riley Bray]

That's right.

[Michael McMillan]

I love it. Okay, well, we're out of time. You'll have to come back. Please let us know if stuff continues to happen.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I absolutely will.

[Michael McMillan]

And if you can get some spooky kid drawings of Starman. Come on. What are we doing here? Seven kids hanging around the house. Let's get some creepy kid drawings of what this thing looks like.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Deal.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Riley Bray]

Nice.

[Michael McMillan]

We need a little bit more investigative work. You don't have to upset it. Well, let's just use the network. Yeah, use the network that you have.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

You know, if you're not going to call Medium in, that's fine.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Let's get by yourself then.

[Michael McMillan]

What does Starman look like? Great stuff. I thank you so much for being here. Remind everybody or let everyone know where they can find you, where they can find your work. Tiffany.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Absolutely. You can find all of my books on Amazon.com hangeronepublishing.com barnes&noble.com you can find me on Facebook. I have my new paranormal channel on YouTube I just started, so please go over there and subscribe. It is called Veil of Shadows. There is one spooky Sunday episode already on there with a frightening tale for you to listen to.

[Michael McMillan]

Great. I love it. Thank you so much for being here. So lovely to meet you.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

Yes, it was so fun. Thank you for having me.

[Michael McMillan]

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[Tiffany S. Doran]

Have you read this paper?

[Michael McMillan]

It sucks, but we are going to make it better. Meet the underdog journalists.

[Tiffany S. Doran]

I hope it's not too disruptive to.

[Michael McMillan]

Have me shake everything up. Don't be so self defecated with major issues, Oscar. Oh God, not again. The paper only on Peacock September 4th. Not often that we have a guest on the show that is like currently living in a poltergeist house.

[Riley Bray]

And so casually so, so casual about it.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, I mean it does sound like she has a big strong husband hanging Around. So like. Yeah, that would make me feel a little more relaxed.

[Riley Bray]

You know, you can't, you can't punch a smoking ghost. It just doesn't. No, it just goes right through the wisp, you know?

[Michael McMillan]

Starman weirds me out. Do you think, do you think it's like, okay if I'm writing the movie version of this, but if you're a little kid, all you're seeing in the dark is like the, the, the red of the cigarette and maybe that looks like a star and the rest is in silhouette. You know what I mean?

[Riley Bray]

And you get like a little bit of it.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah. And so you're like, oh, it looks like a star. That's the cigarette light shining. It's like, no, that's cigarette kid, not star, man. Wow.

[Riley Bray]

But I appreciate that she has this sort of like live and let after live policy. And sure, it's like basically like laying down roommate boundaries, but not much more than that. And being like, well, you live here too?

[Michael McMillan]

I feel. Yes. However, I'm pretty sure that we're going to have some mediums listening to this episode being like, get it out of your house. What are you doing?

[Riley Bray]

Sure.

[Michael McMillan]

But another weird example of how some of these phenomenons, phenomena, how it overlaps. You know, how they overlap. Bigfoot poltergeists didn't have any UFO activity. But this is weird. This is. We are in, I feel like we are in Joshua Cutchen territory with this story.

[Riley Bray]

There's something overlap.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's. There's some weird, weird stuff happening here. And the house is not that old. All things.

[Riley Bray]

I don't think. I don't think it's the house.

[Michael McMillan]

No, I don't either. There's something, there's something going on. The help me stuff creep me out too.

[Riley Bray]

That is spooky and scary.

[Michael McMillan]

That could be Bigfoot mimicry.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

So, yeah, we're gonna stay, we're gonna stay in touch with Tiffany. I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna get some tips on writing romance novels, and then I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask for periodic updates on, on what the hell's going on over there.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, great. Well, do you want to swing over to Collector's Corner real quick?

[Riley Bray]

Sure.

[Michael McMillan]

Anything that you're watching or, or reading or, or even collecting.

[Riley Bray]

I watched Eddington.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh. How was it? I haven't seen it yet.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, we won't talk about it then. I, I, I liked it. It's a, I looked at, I looked it up on Google and it's like I kind of always love a movie that's like an even split of five stars and one star.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

You know, because I'm like, oh, well, you were doing something, and I, I liked it a lot. But since you haven't seen it, we can't, I won't talk about it.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay. But, but that's, that's enough to know, you know, I mean, I know what it's about. I don't know where it goes. And, you know, I've, I've been, I've been a bad little Ari Aster fan because I never saw Beau was afraid.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, wow. That one's, that one. You got to put in the effort.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, I've heard, I've heard. But I, I, I'm, I love the guy. I mean, I really am fascinated. So I've got to go see Eddington before it's out of theaters. I want to see it on the big screen.

[Riley Bray]

It really does capture this sort of particular type of the unraveling of the mind that American society has faced in that, that pandemic window area and, you know, the consequences of which we're living in. It's, it's good.

[Michael McMillan]

I had a, I have a neighbor who I see occasionally, also an actress, and she was out walking her dog, and I was like, hi. Hey, what's going on? And she was like, I just saw Eddington. And I was like, oh, how was it? And she goes, it me up. She goes, it's not bad. It was good, but it really me up. She's like, I'm gonna be unpacking this, that experience for a little while. And I was like, oh, God, that only makes me want to see it more.

[Riley Bray]

Yes, that is accurate. And that's also funny because Caitlyn and I watched it and we both had, like, morning things to do, so we had to just immediately go to bed and we're just like, well, I guess no time to discuss that. Have we good dreams? I guess. Wow.

[Michael McMillan]

Wild.

[Riley Bray]

Very strange. Very strange.

[Michael McMillan]

I can't wait. I gotta see it. Have you watched the first three episodes are out as of this recording. Have you watched Alien Earth yet?

[Riley Bray]

Not yet.

[Michael McMillan]

Dude, is it cool as hell and you will love it.

[Riley Bray]

Cool.

[Michael McMillan]

It's such a Riley show.

[Riley Bray]

Cool.

[Michael McMillan]

But to me, so far, I'm sure people disagree because some people are out there don't like it. I'm a. No, I'm a huge Noah Hawley fan. He did Fargo, the TV series. He did Legion for fx. The, the, like X many spin off. He's such a cool Writer and director. And so far, for me, this series is capturing the feel of an Alien movie more than any of the sequels that have come out since, like, Aliens, you know, And I would maybe throw Alien 3 in there because that came out when I was a kid and it's Fincher, but like, there's so many homages to, to the original and to the Cameron movie. But man, is it good. They spent so much money on this thing. Disney now Disney owns Alien, which is wild, but like, they, it's. It's really cool. I really am excited about the show and excited to see where it goes. And it's like high science fiction. It is like unapologetically doing some weird sci fi stuff in it.

[Riley Bray]

Cool. That sounds awesome.

[Michael McMillan]

Very cool. Very cool. So check that out. I'll watch Eddington, you get caught up in Alien Earth, and then we'll, we'll regroup in a couple weeks.

[Riley Bray]

Great. Love it.

[Michael McMillan]

I love it. All right, everybody, that's it for this week. If you want more, you can find us on our YouTube channel. Go check out those new exclusive videos that are only on YouTube.

[Riley Bray]

Michael edited them. He did a great job. Thank you. Enjoyed seeing those back.

[Michael McMillan]

Very fun.

[Riley Bray]

They're fun.

[Michael McMillan]

And come, come hang out with [e-mail] for ad free episodes. Three bonus episodes every month and exclusive music from Riley. You can find the link to that in our show notes and in our Instagram bio. Epic Foot Collectors Club. If we don't see you there, we will see you back here next Wednesday for an all new episode. Until then, good night and go get regressed. Spooky season's coming. Just had to crash the episode right there. We were perfectly fine. Episode no. And then I had to go and do that.

[Riley Bray]

You know, it's fine. That's what keeps us. Keeps us crying.

[Michael McMillan]

Bubbled up inside. It's a reference to nothing in this episode. Nope, just came out.

[Riley Bray]

It's okay.

[Michael McMillan]

Bigfoot Collectors Club is executive produced by Riley Bray and Michael McMillan and engineered and edited by Riley Bray. Our theme song is Come Alone by Suneaters courtesy of Lotus Pool Records for ad free listening and bonus episodes every month. Join BCC Clubhouse on BCC Club. Want to see us watch video episodes and exclusive content on YouTube.com.

[Riley Bray]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a 4 liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started be. They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip. Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

[Michael McMillan]

Whatever.

[Riley Bray]

You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia. Made to travel.