"Death and Return" w/ Elton Anderson Jr.

Summary

Bigfoot Collectors Club – "Death and Return" w/ Elton Anderson Jr.

Date: March 11, 2026
Hosts: Michael McMillan, Riley Bray
Guest: Elton Anderson Jr.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the transformative near-death experience (NDE) of photographer and multi-hyphenate creator Elton Anderson Jr. The conversation explores Elton’s journey through an NDE brought on by malaria, his resulting spiritual reawakening, and the "identity revolution" unfolding in our digital lives. The discussion spans psychedelic experiences, the role of synchronicity, reconciling personal identity, feelings of oneness, and integrating spiritual lessons into daily, creative, and online life. The tone is inquisitive, humorous, and heartfelt, providing both wild stories and thoughtful philosophy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Elton’s Life Before the NDE

• Photography & Adventure:
  • Elton worked in corporate America before becoming a photographer and world traveler.
  • Hosted a travel show for the African American community, traveled to 90 countries, took on influencer roles, and experienced frequent adventure.
  • "My camera and my passport. That was, like, my thing." [20:01]
• Identity Pre-NDE:
  • Elton was not spiritual, didn't know his astrological sign, had skepticism for "woo-woo" topics.
  • “I was not spiritual at all. I didn’t even know everybody was reading The Secret and making vision boards... I didn’t even know my birth sign.” [14:59]

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2. The "Identity Revolution" (04:49 – 11:23)

• Digital Consciousness and Space-Time:
  • Elton theorizes that social media is a fourth-dimensional space where digital twins of our consciousness exist, unbound by time or place.
  • “We are uploading a digital twin of our consciousness into this fourth dimension. So these versions of us will exist… people in India or Uruguay can watch us today, tomorrow. We could have filmed this two months ago, two years ago.” [05:07]
• Reflections Over Influencers:
  • Modern audiences seek authentic identity rather than “influencers,” craving resonance beyond race or gender.
  • “They want like people they can see themselves in. They want reflections of themselves. And it goes beyond race… it just goes in the vibe.” [06:28]
• Living On After Death—Digital Ghosts:
  • Host Michael shares reflections from handling his late father’s digital presence and contemplates the near future with AI avatars that continue relationships posthumously.
  • “Someone five, six years, 10 years down the road when they lose a parent, there might be a digital copy… you're still able to interact... you're going to have to have the weird, bizarre relationship with their like digital ghost.” [08:22]

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3. Personal Paranormal History and Early Influences (12:29 – 14:10)

• Paranormal Fascinations as a Child:

  • Elton was obsessed with shows like Unsolved Mysteries, Outer Limits, Sliders, Quantum Leap.
  • Desired to travel to different dimensions, which became a lifelong fascination.
  • “I want to go to a different dimension where things are just slightly off kilter…” [12:49]

• DMT, Mushrooms, and Synchronicities:

  • After his NDE, Elton embraced psychedelics for further spiritual exploration, especially in Bali.
  • “Every day is all these insane synchronicities… I met this kid Connor on my birthday in India—same birthday, same cafe, we end up traveling together. Just wild!” [15:56]

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4. Elton’s Near-Death Experience (19:14 – 37:01)

The Setup (19:14 – 27:00)

• In 2019, Elton contracts malaria in Ghana, but symptoms manifest in Brazil where he soon becomes critically ill.
• “I feel like I’m about to die. Because the malaria had taken two weeks to fully manifest.” [23:55]
• Alone and unable to walk, see, or think clearly, he calls his mother, who rushes to Brazil.

The NDE Event (27:00 – 33:02)

• Elton describes “full surrender” as he senses four tall, feminine, faceless beings visit and lift his soul.
• Communicated with via telepathy, he’s brought to a “great waiting room in the sky” of pure, dry, ocean-like energy—“it felt like the warmth you get from love.”
  • "I remember being so at peace, and I remember there was no fear." [29:28]
• He’s given the choice to stay or return:
  • “If I die my mom will kill me… so I decided to push through.” [30:21]
• Recovers in a hospital with his mother sleeping beside him—recognizing “real love” mirrored both in the realm and in her devotion.
  • “That is what love is… the same love I felt in the realm I got to experience looking at my mother.” [32:00]

Integration & Lack of Fear (33:04 – 35:21)

• No longer fears death, sees the experience as an invaluable gift.
  • “I don’t have any fear of dying anymore because I look at that experience as, like, the greatest gift.” [34:17]

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5. The Nature of Spiritual Beings and Timelines (35:21 – 41:00)

• Details of the Tall Beings:

  • Felt a hint of fear—likened to being carried by pallbearers.
  • No familiar faces; not something Elton had exposure to before.

• The Many Death/Afterlife Stories:

  • Elton discovers a wide community interested in NDEs once he starts sharing his story.

• Multiple Timelines and Reality Fractals:

  • Elton believes, “I know for a fact I died on that other timeline,” suggesting life continued on one branch while he perished on another.
  • “Now I’m in this timeline where everything’s weird… people are fighting over Popeye’s chicken sandwiches.” [38:57]

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6. Synchronicity, Life Purpose, and Speaking the Truth (41:00 – 47:37)

• Synchronicity as Guidance:
  • Feels “a billion percent” that a higher intelligence orchestrated the events—numerous synchronicities led him to his purpose.
  • His voice is a “broadcast signal”—by using it genuinely, he finds his “fractal” or spiritual tribe.
  • “When you start to speak at your truth frequency… that’s how your fractal finds you.” [43:05]
• Personal Identity and Coming Out:
  • Describes the intersection of being Black, gay, and spiritual as a lifelong journey with hurdles—family and culture sometimes at odds.
  • “I didn’t want to add any more weirdness to what was already happening inside of me.” [45:46]

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7. Oneness, Ego, and Expansion (47:37 – 51:35)

• Expansive Loss of Identity:
  • Returning to the “source” in the NDE didn’t feel like losing Elton, but like shedding limitations and expanding to universal consciousness.
  • “You expand to everything that you are… no shame, no guilt, no fear.” [49:09]
• Earth as a Place of Illusion and Learning:
  • “We buy into this illusion of separateness... that’s the ticket to come to earth.” [49:18]
  • The ego is the cost of admission; forgetting unity allows us to discover it anew through love and experience.
• Integration via Love:
  • Sees his mother’s love beside his hospital bed as an embodiment of source love—realized only through this plane’s separateness.

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8. Post-NDE: The Quest for Meaning and Healing (53:12 – 69:34)

• Chasing the Spiritual High (53:56 – 62:57):

  • Post-hospital, Elton embarks on a phase of deep spiritual studies (Dolores Cannon, Neville Goddard, Eckhart Tolle).
  • Explores microdosing, megadosing on mushrooms in Bali:
    • “I was like, microdosing and megadosing every other day… surfing, shroom high.” [60:52]
  • DMT/Bufo experiences powerful, but “nothing 100 compares to the actual dying. So you gotta apparently die to get that.” [63:07]

• Return to 'Normal Life' and Depression (63:56 – 69:34):

  • After returning to LA, struggled to interface his new self with his old identity and community.
  • Substance use increased, spirituality fell away, led to deep depression—a “dark night of the soul.”
  • Healing involved integrating his "shadow" (photographic metaphor: “The light is great, but you gotta master the shadows.” [68:17])
  • “It wasn’t until I did that that I was able to be myself.” [68:39]

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9. Current Projects, Voice, and Message (69:49 – End)

• Creative Integration:
  • Elton is now launching a podcast, building platforms on TikTok, Instagram, and Substack.
  • Focuses on spiritual entrepreneurship and “wealth consciousness”—believes “spirituality and abundance are one and the same.”
• Reality Is Already Written:
  • His new handle “L10 RAW” stands for “Reality is Already Written.”
  • “We all come down here and it’s the idea that we have to remember what kind of seed we are… you just have to be aligned in that.” [72:11]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Digital Identity:
  • “We are uploading a digital twin of our consciousness into this fourth dimension… That is where identity, your frequency can kind of live forever.” — Elton Anderson Jr. [05:07]
• On Love and Loss:
  • “The same love that I felt in the realm I got to experience looking at my mother. And I was like, that is what love is.” — Elton Anderson Jr. [32:00]
• On Ego and Oneness:
  • “You expand to all of your greatness… that expansion comes with no shame, no guilt, no fear, none of those lower vibrating emotions.” — Elton Anderson Jr. [49:09]
• On Finding Your Tribe:
  • “Your fractal finds you through your voice… your voice is a broadcast signal.” — Elton Anderson Jr. [43:05]
• On Integrating Shadow:
  • “What it takes to become a true artist is mastering shadow. And that is when… a picture turns into art. And it wasn’t until I did that, that I was able to be myself.” — Elton Anderson Jr. [68:17]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Identity Revolution & Digital Consciousness: 04:49 – 11:23
• Paranormal Upbringing & Curiosity: 12:29 – 14:10
• NDE Story (Malaria in Brazil → Other Side): 19:14 – 37:01
• Integration, Timelines, and Fractals: 37:25 – 47:37
• Oneness and Source: 47:37 – 51:35
• Spiritual Seeking Post-NDE (Psychedelics): 53:56 – 63:25
• Falling Into/Out of Depression, Shadow Work: 63:56 – 69:34
• Current Work & Philosophies: 69:49 – End

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers emotional storytelling, philosophical depth, and a unique voice on the search for meaning after a life-altering event. Elton’s journey weaves together loss, humor, spiritual discovery, psychedelic exploration, and the creative process, inspiring listeners to embrace both light and shadow, to find community through authenticity, and to recognize that perhaps reality really is already written.

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Where to Find Elton Anderson Jr.

• Instagram: @eltonandersonjr
• YouTube/TikTok: L10RAW
• Substack/TikTok Links: Found via his Instagram or YouTube

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Transcript

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It's Bigfoot Collectors Club with Michael and Riley.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I know a story of high strangeness or two. Let's do this.

[Michael McMillan]

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Bigfoot Collectors Club, the show where we talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history and share stories of high strangeness. I'm your host, Michael McMillan, and with me always is the senator of Sound, Riley Bray. That was submitted by Harry Bosquatch. Hey, you got my vote. Okay, I'll take it. Please, Anyone? Anyone else? Please take my vote.

[Riley Bray]

Senator, let's ship some seats here.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's right. We have an awesome, what I'm going to call an expert episode where our guest is really the star of the show. You know, they always are, but you're really the star of the show. This week our guest is a Liberian American photographer, director, philosopher, writer, and digital daddy. Exploring topics like the nature of reality, spiritual hygiene, something we probably all need to work on, and what to do when you realize you're living in a simulation club. Scouts of all timelines, please welcome to the clubhouse our new friend, Elton Anderson junior. Elton, welcome.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Hey, thank you for the intro. I appreciate it. I'm happy to be here.

[Michael McMillan]

You know, we are, we are brand new friends. I. You know, it was funny. I was on Instagram a couple weeks ago and saw you talking about a subject that we're going to get into a little bit later that I don't want to spoil right at the top of the show. But I just really enjoy your videos. And then I was surprised to find out that you were sort of recently back to social media, and I feel like you are dropping some really great stuff. So where were you? What happened where you're back now?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I was in the trenches. I was in the. You know what? I just was. I was. The story's interesting. I had my near death experience, and we'll get into all this stuff later, but I had my near death experience in 2019. And then during the pandemic, I lived in Bali literally for like a year and a half and just did mushrooms all day and just did dmt. Just like live that life, right?

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And then I came back to America in 2022 and depressed. So I just been hiding out and I finally got out of depression and. And then that's. We could get into all that. But that's kind of absolutely story.

[Michael McMillan]

I mean, mental health, depression, all that stuff certainly comes up on the show. You know, I'm someone who deals with anxiety and depression, so I, you know, that is not an unfamiliar subject to me. But I. I'm excited to talk to you because immediately I think in finding your content, like, there is just something really positive that you exude, I think, in your videos. And let's just start with this. A little icebreaker question for you.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Okay, let's go.

[Michael McMillan]

What is the identity revolution that's taking place right now?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Ooh. Well, this is one of my many theories, if you follow me. On social media. I'm dropping theories, like, every day.

[Michael McMillan]

Love a theory. Love good theories.

[Riley Bray]

Love a theory over here.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah. All right, so the identity revolution, okay, this is what I came up with. So what I am seeing is that on social media, like right now, we are existing in the fourth dimension, right? So in the fourth dimension, there is this phenomenon that happens called space time, because it's space and time collapsed into one thing, one word called space time. And my concept is, like, when we create content, whether It's a podcast, TikTok, Instagram, whatever, we are uploading a digital twin of our consciousness into this fourth dimension. So these versions of us will exist. Like people in India or Uruguay can watch us today, tomorrow. We could have filmed this two months ago, two years ago, and we'll exist in this fourth dimensional space time. And so I started thinking, I was like, that is where identity, your frequency can kind of live forever. Like that movie everywhere. Everything all at once.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So I was like, yo. And then that's a way to just like, you know, you could kind of have it like residual passive versions of yourself, like doing the work while you're doing whatever the hell you want. And that was my kind of like my concept of the identity revolution. And people are tapped into identity. They're not. They don't want influencers, they want like people they can see themselves in. They want reflections of themselves. And it goes beyond like race and age and gender and you know, sexual preference and it just goes in the vibe.

[Michael McMillan]

So I tell you what, I have been thinking a lot along these lines recently and not to get like too, too deep too soon, but. So my dad passed away in December. My, my second parent to die. My, my only two parents, but my second parent to die in two years. And there's all this stuff, you know, when a person passes away, there is a digital footprint that you have to deal with after they pass. Like, you know, real basic stuff. Streaming subscriptions, bank accounts, all the stuff that like I have to have my dad's passwords and all these things to log into. I changed the, I swear this is going somewhere. I changed the, you know, the, his phone to recognize my face, to unlock his phone. Right. So I kind of have like my, my dad's digital cache of all of his information that I'm slowly shutting down, you know, over time. And I realize while I'm doing this, you know, that we are kind of at the beginning of this, I think what you're calling the identity revolution. But with the advent of AI, I am seeing a time coming not in the not too distant future where as we begin to build these avatars for ourself online and in our social media and in our apps that it's quite possible there will be AI clones. I think it's quite probable that look and sound like us that will exist after we pass. And someone five, six years, 10 years down the road when they lose a parent, there might be a digital copy of a loved one on their devices that you're still able to interact with. And then you're going to have to have the weird bizarre relationship with their like digital ghost. And I'm in a very tangible way, you know, so that's what I've been thinking about. I kind of feels like it like we are going to clone ourselves, you know, in, in this fourth dimensional space that you're talking about.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I for sure. And there's like a couple of Black mirror episodes that speak to exactly what you're saying.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, I'm not.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I know it's these two.

[Riley Bray]

I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I am very interested. Space time as one word. Because I was thinking about this the other day. It does feel like you compress space time when you post something because it's like, say you post a reel that's a minute, and then it gets all these views, and it's like, this has already been viewed for thousands of hours. And it's just to think like, oh, just this one moment of me in a space at one minute of that, and I've compressed that and I've shot it out into the world. And now that's accounted for thousands of hours of human experience of just interacting with that thing. And it is. In a way, it's like it creates time or it compresses this moment. And I see what you're saying about how all of these things then sort of become this identity that you're forming in how you interact with the world in ways that you don't even directly experience. But your intention does get out there and interact with all these people that you may never even meet. And we're all doing that now collectively. So what does that create? What does that mean?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, I think it's one of the ways that I psych myself into getting back online, too. Cause I think we take things so personal. Like, we feel like, you know, a lot of people have this thing I call visibility wounds, like, where it's wounding us to be online. It's like we get this anxiety. You know, palms start sweating. You just get super nervous. And then you're like, I hate social media is the worst. You know, you just get mad at it and.

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[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So this is my way of, like, brainwashing myself so I could do it. Because I'm like, this is just your consciousness going up there and don't take it personal and. Yeah, but it's some freaky shit.

[Michael McMillan]

It is, it is. I mean, just in the basic, like, the. Like you're describing Riley, too, where we'll have listeners and we love our listeners, obviously, where they'll be like, oh, I have now listened to the show, like, through three times in a row, like the whole. The whole catalog. And you're like, wow, we have been places with people mentally in. In their ears in ways that, like, we don't understand, you know, and it's so weird to feel that you. You can be at all. All these places all at once.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Michael McMillan]

It is cool. It is cool. So let me ask you this. So we ask all of our guests, what is your personal paranormal history? Now we know we have you or that you had a near death experience. Experience. And we're going to get to that a little bit later in the episode. But were you just before record, we were talking. You were asking us if we really believed in Bigfoot. Have you ever had an experience or were you into the paranormal or the unexplained? Growing up, were you ever into UFOs, ghosts, cryptids, like Bigfoot, any of this stuff?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, like, growing up, like, I used to love Unsolved Mysteries. Y' all watch that show?

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, hell yeah. That's a big reason we're here.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Unsolved Mysteries. Okay, hear me out. Unsolved Mysteries, Outer Limits. Y' all remember that show Sliders?

[Riley Bray]

Oh, yeah, yeah, totally.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, Quantum Leap. Like, all those were like my shows. So I was always like, please, like, aliens come down and get me. Like, I just want to see what. It's like I was so into, like, oh my God. But like, I was always into like that different dimensional. Like, that was my kind of jam. Like, I want to go to a different dimension where things are just slightly off kilter and you get to see like the differences in people. Like Dr. Strange, when he had that movie, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was my. It was always like shifting dimensions. Even from when I was like six years old, I was like, I want to go to a different dimension.

[Michael McMillan]

So that is cool. That's why. Were you a Fringe guy too? Did you watch Fringe at all?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Cause that was all about episodes. Like, I seen. My experience with Fringe is like, I'll see like a clip on like social media. I'm like, damn, this show looks good. But. And it'll be like, Fringe. That's the one with the dude from Dawson's Creek, right?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Huh.

[Michael McMillan]

And that's like, where like Batman has like a yellow costume in this reality. It's just like all slightly off in some weird, weird way. But it all gets. It all does get down to the nature of reality, you know.

[Riley Bray]

So when. When you were in, in Bali and you were, you know, using DMT and Mushroom, did you have any of those sort of dimensional breakthrough moments, especially on the DMT side or. Like, that's such a sort of story that so many people tell.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

It was. So let me tell you so. And we'll get into the, the near death experience, you know, whenever you guys want to get there. But when I went to the When I had the near death experience, I went to this Other Realm. And like, I call it like the waiting room. Cause it was like the lobby of a hotel. Like, I didn't go deep into the Other Realm, but I definitely was in like the lobby area where eating little cocktail shrimp.

[Riley Bray]

And it's nice, they have hors d',

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

oeuvres, so nice little bruschettas. You're gonna be here a minute. But that experience, I was like, yo, I wanna keep doing it again. Because before I died, I was not spiritual at all. I didn't even know everybody was reading the Secret and making vision boards. I was like, y' all are weirdos. Like, what are y' all doing? Like, y. I had no desire. I didn't even know my birth sign, all that stuff. I didn't know I was a Pisces. And when I had it, I promise you, I know for a fact I died on that other timeline. I know I'm dead on some timeline and whatever this timeline is. Then all of a sudden, Covid happened. And I'm living in Bali and I'm like, every day is all these insane synchronicities that I can't even begin to tell you all. And then I was in India. And on my birthday, I met. I would walk into this coffee, this smoothie shop. It's a billion people in there. It was one seat. I sit next to this guy, this young white kid from New York. We were just talking. We had the same birthday. And we met each other on our birthday. It was the only seat in the whole place. Me and him ended up traveling around India for like three days. Cause we had to. His name was Connor. Me and Connor. Literally, like, I walked in the smoothie shop. It was one seat in that bitch. And I sit next to him, and he's with these two chicks from his hostel. And we're just talking. And he was like, yeah, I've been traveling. I was like, me too. Blah, blah, blah. And the girls were like, tell him what today is. And he was like, it's my birthday. And I was like, no fucking way. And we were like, same March 5th, same birthday. And so we ended up traveling around India together. Because of course. And we found these seeds that the people said that they give you, like LSD hallucinations. And we were in freaking Hampi, India, in the freaking waterfalls, high out of our minds with a guy.

[Michael McMillan]

There's always some kid named Conor that you meet, that you end up doing this stuff with, right?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

It's always blame it on Conor. So after that. So then the next week, the whole world shut down and I went to Bali. And then that's when I was more open to trying all this stuff.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, great. All right, we have to take a break already. This is stupid. But we're gonna come back. Let's get into all this stuff. Cause I think we're ready.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, we cracked seal here. Yeah.

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[Michael McMillan]

Okay, so Elton, let's rewind a little bit before you're in the waterfall with Connor in, in, in India. So you are, you're working as a photographer before your nde. By the way, I, I told you before the show, but I want the listeners to know you're an ex. You're an amazing photographer. Your work is really, really incred stuff. And, and so you're not thinking about this stuff. You barely know what your sign is. You know, you're not, you're, you're not connected to any of this stuff that we talk about on the show at all. But something happened. So walk us through. Let's talk about what happened with your near death experience and how you ended up on the other side.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Oh, yeah. So basically I, like you mentioned, I was a photographer since 2007 and was working in corporate America, quit my job, got a camera, a skateboard, and a passport. And I said, I'm just gonna make this life up like I'm just gonna figure it out. And you gotta think about it. 2007, 2008, this was well before social media, so there wasn't, like, I couldn't look at Instagram or anything. There was barely Facebook. And so I just always had this sense of, like, adventure and, like, I wanted to see the world. And so it was always, like, my camera and my passport. That was, like, my thing. And so for years, I would just travel shoot. I started getting jobs that were international, and I moved to LA in 2012. And once I moved to LA, I kind of hit my flow state. I kind of hit my stride, and career just took off. But also my travel took off. I started getting cast in commercials as a commercial actor for different travel jobs. So I'm in a commercial with James Corden, and I'm in Uganda, this close to silverback gorillas, and they flew me all the way out there. Whoa. And so that started happening. Then I started being, like, a travel influencer. And then in 2019, I got hired to host a travel show.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, I saw that. I was like. Cause you've done some TV hosting as well.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, so I've done ton of other stuff, like, you know, like, different little shows, but like, mainly, like, commercials. And then this big travel show. I've done cooking shows, stuff like that. And so I'm hosting this show. The show's called Lens of Culture. And it was a show dedicated to the African American community and showing like, hey, we travel too, and this is where we go. And so we went to places, like, we had episodes in everywhere from Harlem to Dominican Republic to New Orleans. And then ultimately the final few episodes were supposed to be in Ghana. So this is August of 2019. So six months almost to the day before the pandemic.

[Michael McMillan]

Geez.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So we get to go to Ghana. At the same time, I decided that I was gonna start traveling the world by myself, and I was going to live in a different country for 12 months. So every month, I would live in a different country for a year. So it'd be 12 countries, 12 months. And I was gonna document it on my YouTube channel, and it was gonna be my whole black Anthony Bourdain type of vibes. And so we're in Ghana, and Ghana is beautiful. One of my favorite countries. I'm from West Africa as well. I'm Liberian. So I'm thinking, like, I'm invincible. I'm like, this is my. I've been to 20 countries in Africa. I am super duper invincible. Like, my blood is like, kryptonite you know what I'm saying? Well, anti kryptonite, but.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

But what's prevalent in that part of West Africa is malaria. And as you can imagine, I did not take my malaria prevention pills. Oh, no. They really make me super sick. So I just figured. I just. It was my ego. I was like, I'm okay. It nothing gonna get me.

[Michael McMillan]

Whew.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So we filmed the episodes. I think I'm good. We go. I start my journey September 1st. I go to Brazil. So I'm in Brazil. Like, I'm hang gliding. I am climbing mountains. I'm surfing, I'm skateboarding. I'm drinking all the caipirinhas. Like, I'm living my best life. And on the seventh day, I wake up, and my whole body, I said, I feel like I'm about to die. And it wasn't like, oh, I feel sick. It wasn't like, I feel like I got a bug. Literally, the word was, I feel like I'm about to die. Because the malaria had taken two weeks to kind of fully manifest. And for who don't know? Malaria is actually a parasite. So the parasite is, you know, travels with the mosquitoes. The mosquito bites you. The parasite gets into your red blood cells, and so it starts to reproduce itself. And as you can imagine, your red blood cells are literally everywhere in your body. So I started going blind. I couldn't walk. I had decreased kidney function. I had decreased liver function.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, my God.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

It literally felt like death. And by this time, the malaria are. The parasites are, like, having a party in my body. So they're all over, and I don't know what is happening. Cause you remember, I didn't think about it. So I don't know what's going on with.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. And you think you're good and you've been gone. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, I was hang gliding two days ago. What's going on?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah. So I'm like, what the hell is happening? And literally. And the thing about malaria, too, is it's extremely, like, deadly. Like, the mortality rate on malaria is like, 70% of the people that get malaria die. So I had a one in three chance of surviving this thing. And I'm in freaking Brazil by myself. So I don't know anybody. I don't speak Portuguese. So that's the setting. So I did what any grown man would do. I called my mommy, and I say, mommy, I say, mommy, I think I'm about to die. Like, I wasn't exaggerating, because it was like, I can't explain it, but you could just feel like you're self eroding on the inside. And so my mom is so funny because my mother, I've always been a kid that's so independent. I never needed help. And this was the first time I called my mom for help. And so I said, mom, I don't know what's going on. I feel like I'm about to die. I called her maybe at 11am she was on a flight that night and she was in Brazil the next morning.

[Michael McMillan]

Mom.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

But during this time period is when the near death experience happened.

[Riley Bray]

Whoa.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay, so.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Okay, you want me to go into it?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, just please. Yeah, no, we're there.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, yeah, on the edge of the seat.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I'm trying to edge you guys.

[Michael McMillan]

No, no, we're edged. We're not edged. Lords, give us.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

So

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I can't eat. There's no appetite. I could barely drink and I'm just like, what the hell's going on with me? So all I could do was just like lay down. And at this time, I can't remember what time it was. I remember, at least the sun had set by this time.

[Michael McMillan]

And you don't go to the hospital, you're not calling a doctor yet. You're just sleeping it off, returning to rest in your hotel room.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, I'm just like, whatever this is, I don't know. And I'm like, what? I didn't even think to call the hospital, which is weird.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, you're probably just not thinking straight. Anyway,

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

that whole thing was crazy. So I lay down and I remember just kind of like in full surrender. And during that time I was visited by these four figures. And they were feminine in nature, but I can't remember like faces or anything like that, but they were. I could tell they were like more feminine. Tall as hell, like 10ft. But maybe they were floating. And what I remember is that the way they communicated was more of like a tele, telepathy, you know, more telepathic, more than words. And they took me to the great waiting room in the sky. And I remember that I didn't see like any pearly gates. I didn't see any dead loved ones. What I saw, or better yet, what I felt was like this. It was almost like an ocean of energy. But it wasn't wet. It was like a dry energy, I guess a cloud, maybe something, but I can't explain it, but it was just like a vibe. I could feel the frequency around me and it felt like the warmth you get from love.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow, this is wild.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Oh, yeah. It felt like. Cause I remember being so at peace, and I remember there was no fear. And I remember that I had the option to stay. And it felt like oneness. Like, there's this concept in human design which I'm into, but it's known as the fractal. And it's like I return back to this fractal of oneness. And the example that I give now that I'm on the other side of it is when we live, when we come Earthside, it's almost like we're part of this ocean. And then when the ocean hits the shore, there's this splash, right? All the water drops splash and go everywhere, right? That's our lifetime. Our lifetime is in that splash. So compared to the vastness of time that this universe has existed, to us, that splash is a split second. But in these bodies, in these meat suits, in these avatars, it's like 70, 80, 90 years. And then we all return back to the source. So that was kind of like the message I got from that experience within that time frame. And literally, they gave me the choice to stay. And I remember thinking, like, if I die, my mom will kill me. So I said, let me not get dead twice. And so I decided to. Like, I don't know how I pushed through, but I pushed through. My mom came the next morning, and literally, the lucky for me that one of the best infectious disease hospitals in Brazil was not too far from the hotel. Whoa. I got plugged up to the machines. I lost, like, 25 pounds. I mean, I had a six pack after the malaria.

[Riley Bray]

Not a great way to get it. Yeah, right.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

But it was crazy. It was crazy. And I will say this one last thing before we keep going, but I remember that when I was in the hospital that they didn't have a bed for my mother. All they had was these two chairs. And I remember seeing her one back on one chair and her feet in the other chair, and she would just sleep peacefully. And I remember thinking, wow, that is love. Like that. The same love that I felt in the realm. I got to experience it looking at my mother. And I was like, that is what love is. Because at the time, I was quasi famous, and so many people watching me on television, like, oh, Elton. You know, And I was like, that's not love. That's something, you know, validation or adoration. But real love is what my mother embodied in that moment. And it was the same love I felt on in that spirit realm.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow.

[Riley Bray]

Wow.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Riley Bray]

I mean, that's yeah. Profound and beautiful story.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Let's take a quick pause when you come back. I want to unpack. I got a lot of questions and popping up with some theories of my own. Okay, Elton. Beautiful story. I mean, wow. Insane.

[Riley Bray]

Also something so scary, like, I know to be told. So like, where, like, this sort of profound truth about this simple, fleeting nature of life and the ocean of love, it's just like. I don't know, it's so many things that, like, it's the core of, like, all the spiritual teachings really is, like, sort of right there in that. That analogy of the. The shore and the. The brief sort of drops of water. Yeah, go ahead, take it, Michael. I'm just reacting to the story.

[Michael McMillan]

No, no, no. I'll piggyback off that, too. Which is, did the fear ever hit you? Like, did. Did you have a reaction of like, oh, my God, I was so close. Or did that experience. Experience carry you through what? Most people would usually be terrified.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

As I sit here and I recount this story, and every time I think about it, it's literally no fear. Like, I don't have any fear of dying anymore because I look at that experience as, like, the greatest gift. And it was. I feel like I had. That old version of me had to die so that I could understand what a gift that life is, you know? So, yeah, it was no fear. It was like, not at all.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow. Let's talk about the beings, the tall beings for a minute. Did you have a sense when you saw them that they were. Were you like, oh, this is new. Or were you like, oh, you guys, like, I recognize this thing? Or did it feel like a brand new concept?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

It felt like. It almost felt like. You know what? It felt like. It was almost like there was a little bit of fear. Right? There was a little, like, a hint of fear because it felt like the four of them came and lifted my soul out of my body.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay. Yeah. Intimidating. That would be very intimidating.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah. Like, think about, like, a pallbearer. Like, it was like, okay. They each grabbed an arm, a leg.

[Michael McMillan]

Like, four giant ladies are ripping my soul out of my body.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Hold up. So it felt like that, but there was like, again, there wasn't any faces. Like, I didn't see any faces. And I mean, to answer your question, there. The familiarity or the. I haven't seen him before because, like, again, I wasn't into any of this. Let me tell you the craziest thing just today, like, when I finally started to, like, share my story, because I just started to share My story online, like. Cause I hadn't talked about this for five, six years, like, at all. And especially not online when I started sharing it. I did not know that the near death community was so big. Like, literally. Because I've been on other podcasts, people have come up to my father at his job. Like, I watched your son on such and such podcast. I'm like, what the heck? People have stopped me in the grocery store. It's like crazy. So I didn't know that a lot of people want to know about death.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, sure.

[Riley Bray]

I mean, question.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, it is the big question. When. When you were. Oh, man, I had. I was thinking about this while you were talking about it in the sense of like, when you were talking about that feeling of like that pure love. And now I can't remember what my question was, but it'll come back to me eventually.

[Riley Bray]

I have one queued up. You mentioned earlier that you're convinced and you kind of hinge it again that you're dead in another timeline. And I'm curious what your conception of these timelines are. Is this like a parallel dimensions sort of thing or just like, how do you see that? How do you describe that? What is that you're talking about?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I feel like it's almost like that maybe butterfly effect or maybe like that.

[Michael McMillan]

That break a fractal, In a sense.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Like when the timeline breaks. Because I remember watching. What was it? What came out that year? My favorite movie now? Avengers. Infinity War.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, yeah. Endgame. Yeah, Like Infinity War came out like 2019.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

2020.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, yeah. Right around there.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah. And so like when the Hulk went to. What's her name?

[Michael McMillan]

The Ancient One.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, the Ancient One went to Tilda.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, Tilda Swinton's character.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Swinton, when he went there. Remember how they said the timelines go like this and you can't go back? Remember that scene?

[Michael McMillan]

Mm, yep. This is one where we seem like shoved out of his body temporarily.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

Mm.

[Michael McMillan]

Mm.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

That's exactly like. That would be the closest to, like, how I felt. I feel like the timeline where I was alive ended because my life was fucking amazing. Like, my life was.

[Riley Bray]

Sounds like it.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

The most amazing life. And then now I'm in this timeline where everything's weird. Like Kobe Bryant died and then we got. Then people are fighting each other over Popeye's chicken sandwiches. It's just like

[Riley Bray]

since 2019.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. Really weird time to have this experience because, like, for.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

For.

[Michael McMillan]

For those of us who didn't have that, we felt like we dimension Hopped. But for you, it's gotta clearly feel like, yeah, I hopped one. They, they brought me back, but they brought me back to the one branch over from where I had been, you know.

[Riley Bray]

Right. We might, we might all just be living in your personal simulation, Skip. We just don't know.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I wouldn't be surprised because literally the moment I started talking about NDEs did not. Now I'm on a whole circuit of ND podcast.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, what's wild about it? When I was thinking, one of the things I was thinking when you were telling your story and when you said that you woke up and. Or you know that. Or not when you woke up, but when it turned out that like the best infectious disease clinic was like, right. Hospital was right there where you were. Obviously, if you had, you know, skeptic, skeptic. Putting on this, being a skeptic here, obviously if you had taken the malaria pills, all of this might have been preventable. Right? For sure. But, but when you're talking about some of the synchronicities you've experienced, it does kind of feel like, hey, we, somebody out there wanted you to have this experience and knew that you had. We know that his mom will get to him in time. We know that this infectious disease center is very close. It's almost as. Did you ever wonder if like a higher intelligence is kind of like, elton, we need you to have this experience so you can then evolve. Or what do you think about that?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

One billion percent? Like a billion trillion? Like, yes, like without. There's no doubt in my mind because I can't even begin to share with you the number of synchronicities that have happened. Like, I can't even. It would be pointless to even try to start because it would be an eight hour episode and I just, I have seen so many. It's just been so many signs that whatever source, universe entity wants me to be vocal about this. Like, they want me to use my voice. And the thing that I learned about the fractal, the idea of the fractal, is that your fractal is pretty much like your soul tribe or your. I call it a spiritual sorority or fraternity. And we all kind of separate and we come down here and a lot of times your fractal may not be your family. It may not be. Cause my parents and my sister and my brothers, they don't give a damn about this stuff I talk about. They don't care. They're like, okay, oh brother, here you go again, talking about fractals in the universe and the dimensions like, they don't even engage. Like they think they're crazy. But when I finally started to use my voice. Cause that's how your fractal finds you. Your fractal finds you through your voice. Because your voice carries this resonance. Your voice is a broadcast signal and everything is waves and frequencies. And so when you start to speak at your truth frequency, when you. Cause a lot of times people get online, they just lie. They just try to put on all this pomp and circumstance and, you know, that doesn't connect with people. But when you get online. And that's why I talk to my esoteric entrepreneurs, as I call them. These are the healers, the psychics, the mystics, the witches, the wizards, the mediums, all these different people. When I. When I start to talk like this, they're like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and that's my fractal. We're all in the same fractal, you know?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And that has been very, very. That's been one of the most beautiful parts of this because I do not feel as weird as I did because I was quiet for so freaking long. And like, put like this. I am from Detroit, Michigan. The. One of the. From the inner city of Detroit, Michigan. So I am from one of the blackadiest, blackest cities in America. And then I went to historically black college, so. And then I pledged a black fraternity. So my whole life has just been this identity of being a black man. And then on top of all that, I'm gay. So my identity has been like being a black gay man. Right. And hiding.

[Michael McMillan]

Do I want to add this to all of this?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So I want to be. As much as I don't want to be weird, like, it took me forever to freaking come out the closet. And that was my issue with religion growing up. When I was growing up, I remember being 6, 7 years old and my whole family, they go to church. My dad teach Bible study, all that stuff. I was in church. Like, is this what. I just didn't believe it. I just didn't. I didn't connect with it. And it was almost like Santa Claus for adults to me. And so. And then being so young and realizing that I was gay at, like, I always knew I was gay. And then I had my first encounter with another boy when I was 12, and we, you know, dry humped, whatever you want to call it, we won't get too much into that. And then right after that, I got this really bad cystic acne, like, my whole face for, like, all of My adolescence, all the way till college. I had this horrible acne over my face. And I was like, God is punishing me for being gay, and I should have never. Me and that boy should have never did that. And I'm like, oh, brother. So my brain was just chopped up, really.

[Riley Bray]

It's probably the stress of feeling judged for that that is causing it, Right?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Exactly.

[Riley Bray]

Not the thing at all. It's just the stress of all these, like, layers of conditioning and, you know, identity and all this stuff that you're like.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

That's. Yeah, all of that. So I didn't want to add any more weirdness to what was already happening inside of me. And. But yeah, so it took. It literally took until October 15th of 2025. Last year is when I finally healed my inner child. Like, I finally healed all. I finally went back and talked to him. We finally had a heart to heart. That was a deeply personal situation for me. And ever since then, I started talking about this stuff. I finally found the courage to get online and turn on my camera and turn on my phone and start talking. And now I'm here talking to my new Bigfoot buddies.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, exactly. That's how this works. It's so funny. I mean, you cast a line out and, like, you know, the moment I saw yourself, I was like, oh. I immediately reached out. I was like, we gotta talk to this guy. We're gonna click. I just knew, you know, you just had that feeling, like, I know that Riley and I are gonna click with this guy. You actually reminded me of the thing that I wanted to ask you before that I couldn't think of, which relates to the fractal in that moment when you're like, oh, I am this drop of water. But, like, we are all part of this larger body of water. The oneness, you know, the. The. That you talked about. Did you get a sense. Because this is a question that I always wonder, like. And this is my ego talking here, but, like, did you use. Did you have a sense that, like, your individuality or the unis dissipates when you return to the source? Or are you still. Are you still Elton? Are you still the drop of water. That's Elton mixed in with all the other drops of water? You know what I mean?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. I think it's kind of like this. It felt kind of like this. This loss of identity to the point where it's almost expansive. That's the way I would say it. Like, it expands you to, like. Because we limit ourselves through all this conditioning. Like, there's so many things and titles we give ourselves to have identity. There's so much, so many things that we ascribe to our self worth. Like how much money you got in the bank, what's your waist size to, what's your bmi? You know what I'm saying? Like what? Like, do you have a haircut? Or is this. Do you have. You know what I'm saying? Like, you had an off day. Am. I am. I'm only five nine. It's like, damn, I wish I was six feet. All these things that we ascribe to ourselves. And when you don't have any of that, you expand to all of your greatness. Like, you expand to everything that you are. And so that expansion comes with no shame, no guilt, no fear, none of those lower vibrating emotions. And so it's not so much you feel like you're this big glob, like this hive mind. It didn't feel like that.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

It just feels like you're your most expansive self and that everything you touch, you are part of everything.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And we buy into this illusion when we come down here. We buy into this illusion of separateness. That's the ticket to come to earth. It's like, okay, gotta forget this expansiveness and come down to this earth and pay taxes and fucking go to class.

[Michael McMillan]

You still get good movies and great food and sex and like all the. All the stuff that's great about the third dimension, but you also get like all the bad that comes with it too. And I, and I. I've thought. I've long thought this, that like, I do think our consciousness exists before we arrive here. I do. You know, I have nothing to prove that with, but like, I do feel like we are. We drop down in here and once, like you said the ticket is. But you're gonna forget that you are part of something bigger. And you're really going to forget it to the point where you might despair while you're down here, you know?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think the ticket. I think you exchange the ticket for the ego, right? You, you, you. If you let your ego get the best of you, then you forget even deeper, to the point of sometimes no retiring, right?

[Riley Bray]

But it is also the separateness which allows you to then have the experience of learning the lesson about love where you were talking about. You opened your eyes and you saw your mom sitting on those chairs and you felt that same sense of love that you felt from the original expansiveness. That's because of the separateness that's because it's these two beings in this moment where it's almost like that's why we drop into this thing, so we can, like, learn about the source or see it anew. Like, get context.

[Michael McMillan]

Stand outside of yourself a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

[Riley Bray]

And then so it's like. That's why that was such a profound, like, close to that, where you. You see her and you go, oh, that's. I recognize that. That's. That's what I just was. So it's like, that's. But you can't get that without the separateness, because. And that's where we have to all interact with each other and figure out how to. That's like what we're doing here. Really, at the end of the day, it seems like.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And I think, too, that's. I mean, 1,000% yes on that. And I think, too, just to add a little bit more context, is that the world is shifting right now. Like, there's such big shifts happening. There's this one prophecy of, like, 2027, where in human design and a lot of other people I've talked to, where there's, like, this great mutation. It's already happening now. But, you know, it's not like the end of the world or nothing like that. It's just like, people are waking up and people are, like, really tapping into their different things. Like, I have so many friends that, like, have hit me up. Like, Elton. Like, I've been hearing stuff. Like, a friend's. Her mother had passed 10 years ago, and she is not spiritual at all. And she was like. I was at this freaking sound bath thing, and I heard my mother talking to me. And so now I gotta figure out this. And you know what I'm saying, it's like a lot of us are experiencing these things. And I appreciate you all for creating this platform, you know, that's why I was so excited when Michael hit me up, because I was like, oh, I love this. And I was like, I love the idea of comedy. Cause this shit is funny. Like, this whole experience at the end of the day, literal theater, comedic theater. It's Hamilton or some shit. It's like, yeah, it's absurdism.

[Michael McMillan]

Totally.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

It's literally the funniest thing. It's the cosmic joke that we all are in on.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, I couldn't agree more. I'm really interested. I don't want to get ahead to too much. And I know that we're already creeping up on the hour here, but. And you're in Miami. You're. You're. Like you're, you're, you're staying up later than we are. But I'm, I'm really interested to hear. Now get back to India and that waterfall with Connor. And after this near death experience you were. Once you recovered and you've put a little weight back on and you're out of the hospital and you're feeling better, are you just chasing that experience after that? Are you like, I gotta get back to this source.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So interesting. So great question. So when I got. So after I got out of the hospital, as I got out of the hospital and you know, was able to walk and all that. And the amazing thing is too, it was perfect that I had malaria in Brazil because we walked out of the hospital and literally didn't have to pay a penny if I would have got a paper cut in the states, $35,000. So that was like a blessing that it happened there. But I got back and then that's when I started diving into all of the spiritual woo woo stuff. So I was reading books by like Dolores Cannon, Neville Goddard, Abraham Hicks, Eckhart Tolle. I remember, I read Eckhart Tolle, Power of Now. And I remember like, this ain't deep enough for me. I need to get like deep, deep, deep.

[Michael McMillan]

I need to find those four ladies who are yanking my soul out of my body. Like, we gotta get. Yeah, yeah, I've already graduated past this.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, I got that part.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, I was like this too. New age. I need to, I want to know some shit that I ain't never seen before. So I just remember being fascinated and I remember wanting to experience that experience again because I never was really. At the time I was 37. I'm about to be 44 in a few weeks. But at the time I was 37. And up until that point I had never tried a mushroom. I had never tried. I had never. I barely drank. I had took a few puffs of weed, but it wasn't like, you know what I'm saying? It was like I wasn't into like the substances. And so after I came back to the States and gained my weight back, it took me about a month. Cause I was weak for literally like a month. Just always sleeping, always laying down. And when I gained my weight back and got my mojo back in November, I went back to Brazil and I said, I'm not gonna finish this freaking thing. So I went back to Brazil. And then in December, I went back to Ghana and took my malaria pills. And I wanted to face, I was like, I wanna face Both of these places head on. Because I'm not no punk ass bitch. So that is hell, yeah. Very important. And so. And then in January of that year, I went to Southeast Asia. I went to Myanmar, I went to Laos. I stopped in Bali for a little bit. Went to Cambodia all by myself. Then in February, I went back to Rwanda, Namibia, like, slept in a tent by myself in the desert for three days, like, alone. I did all this alone. And I still. It was still like I was searching for myself. So by the time I got to India, I remember that I woke up that morning of my birthday in tears on the beach. Because Goa, the part of India I was in, is called Goa. And a girl in Bali said, you gotta go to Goa. And I was like, well, I'll just go there for my birthday. Goa was colonized by the Portuguese. So it had this Portuguese and beautiful vibe. But in the 60s and 70s, the hippies came and they turned into, like, this hippie destination. So if you go to Goa, which I think everybody should go to, it has such a vibe. And when I got there, I was like, this feels. Now that felt familiar. Like, Goa felt like I had interesting or interesting. Like, of any place I've been in. I've been in 90 countries, and of any place I've been, I would say Goa is the number one place. I was like, oh, I've been here before. And I started having visions that I was reincarnated from this brunette white girl named Elizabeth. And she had, like, mousy brown hair and it was like a bob. I felt like she was a hippie.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And I felt like she was in the black guys. That's why I'm in the black guys.

[Michael McMillan]

Elizabeth. Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

All of these visions. So go. Was definitely the vibe. And then after I had experience with Connor, then I went. I was like. As the world shut down, I literally went to Bali on March 14, and then it shut down the next week. Wow. I mean, the next day. And so I lived in Bali for 14 months.

[Michael McMillan]

So that's where you quarantined or whatever. That's where you were for Covid. Wow.

[Riley Bray]

Wow.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah. So it was amazing. It was like. And they shut it down. They shut Bali down so nobody could come and come out. And, you know, for the first month, everybody was kind of like, trapped in their respective villas or whatever. But then around, like, late April, early May, after about a month, then people started coming out. So it was like being on this big college campus. People from all over the world, like, I have friends from the Ukraine, Korea, London, Germany. Like, literally any place you could think of. I had friends from that place and we were just stuck on this freaking island, vibing.

[Michael McMillan]

What a place to be stuck, though.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I mean, seriously, like, people were falling in love intensely on Tuesday, and then they hate each other on Thursday, and then they're together on Saturday.

[Michael McMillan]

And then like.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Like, it was insane. It was. The energy was crazy.

[Michael McMillan]

That is wild. So when do you get now? When are you getting out? Or is it during this time? You're like, now I'm trying DMT and I'm doing, like, what was the DMT experiences like, that you've had? And does it come close to what you experienced in that, In. In that hotel in Brazil?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So I would say before the DMT was shrooms. And so in Bali, mushrooms are, like, everywhere. Because what happens is when it rains, the mushrooms pop up the next morning in the cow dung. So wherever the cows are and it's some rain, that's the recipe for fresh mushrooms. And what happens is you get you a little Balinese homie, he go pick it up, clean them all for you, and you give him like, five, six bucks in Bali money, and you got your shrooms for the day. So I was like, micro dosing and megadosing like, every other day. Like, I'll put some shrooms in my morning smoothie. I would go to the beach, go surfing, shroom high.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And so the shrooms gave me the magical feeling that I felt in that space, in the spiritual realm. So that was like. That was like a. I would say that that was like maybe like 60%, 70% of that feeling I had. And then when I finally bumped up to dmt, I did that through bufo, if you know, you know the Colorado river toe. You know that bufo?

[Michael McMillan]

Yes.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, yeah, I've heard about this.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah. So they take the secretions, these poisonous secretions from this river toad. It's like, over here by their neck, and they put it into this crystal that looks like actual crack. And then you smoke it through a pipe. Like they put it in a light bulb, like an empty light bulb.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And it had, like, this little tube in it. So it's literally like you're smoking and

[Riley Bray]

then you just make it extra cracky. Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Like an extra crackhead situation.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, my God. Wow.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I mean, I'm back there with my. With my shaman, this cool chick, she. She had like these sound bowls and she's playing these sound bowls and you're in her backyard and literally, you take a puff of this Pipe in this crystal and it's like instant, like it's like 0 to 100. And I remember it just. I felt like I went up and then it went black and I felt like I was this small and space and this blackness was like so vast and never ending. And it just felt like this big echo, this vacuum. And the thing about bufo or that version of dmt, I like it because it's just like straight to the point. It's clean. It's not like, from what I've heard of ayahuasca. It's not for me.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, no, not for me either. No.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Be in a room purging with 20 people.

[Michael McMillan]

I don't need a diarrhea bucket in front of everybody. It's literally my worst nightmare.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

That is the worst nightmare. Like, to hear other people barfing. So I love DMT. It was super clean, great experience, but nothing, nothing 100 compares to the actual dying. So you gotta apparently die to get that.

[Michael McMillan]

By the way, none of you are allowed to go smoke bufo out of a light bulb unless you've had this near death experience. All right, yeah, he's initiated already.

[Riley Bray]

Safe out there.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's. That's wild. I mean, but then, but then. So you come. You come back from this journey and you were. Sounds like you had a moment before you came back on social media where you were just feeling down, you know? Yeah, yeah. What happened?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Where?

[Michael McMillan]

How'd you lose? Or what do you think led to? And we don't. You know, obviously this is per. We're getting into really personal territory here.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So, you know, we're bros, it's okay.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying, like, us and

[Riley Bray]

the rest of the open Internet.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

Internet.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess, like, I guess the answer I'm leading you to, which I don't really want to lead you to, is it sounds like even with this experience of love, it's still hard to hold on to that sometimes and go and hold on to the perspective of like, hey, man, I'm not afraid of death anymore. There's something bigger happening here, you know? You still get hit with the. With the darkness, huh?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, I mean, America's a heavy place. And especially like Los Angeles, it's heavy. Like Bali. They call Bali Mama Bali because it's very feminine. And the veil between the spirit world and. Have y' all been to Bali before?

[Michael McMillan]

No, I haven't.

[Riley Bray]

No.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

So in Bali, like, they. The people of Bali, they come and bless your doorsteps every morning. So, like, everything's always blessed. So they put these little offerings right in front of your door. If you're staying in a villa, if you're staying in a hostel, whatever. And they put these villas. And then the food is fresh and the veil is so thin that you just feel so connected to the spirit realm. And then to go from that to freaking, the freaking 110 in LA and the one on one, it's. It's crazy. And so I tried to go from this expansive version of myself. Like, I started wearing Birkenstocks and I started being like, turn into this hippie. And I tried to come back to. Because I had to work, I had to, like, figure out how to make money again. And so I go back to LA and try to fit back into this photographer Persona. And by this time, I'm fully trained in being a human design expert and reader. I don't know if y' all familiar with that.

[Michael McMillan]

No, we didn't even touch that yet in this episode.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I know. Yeah, we have to talk again. But it's this really cool self knowledge system that goes deep into your genetic codes and it tells you how to exist in this world. So I was doing readings for, like, people like Lenny Kravitz and these millionaires and Russell Simmons and like, I'm doing all this human design stuff and then I come back to be a photographer. And that was in. I moved back to LA on 2. 22, 22. And literally it was like, bro, it was so dark. I just started abusing substances. Like, I was smoking weed three times a day. Like, wake and bake. Let's go after the gym. Let's go before I go to sleep. Let's go. And then I was popping pills on the weekend and partying and having empty sex and just, ugh, it was a wreck. And I was not engaging in any of the spirituality that I had fallen so in love with. And so I just lost myself, man. I just was so depressed. And like I said, it wasn't until literally October of 2025 that I finally went through my full dark night of the soul and completely went through my shadow. I started writing and journaling like a madman, and I was finally able to find the courage to start using my voice again. And I would give this advice to anybody that's going through it. Like, it wasn't until I integrated my shadow and really looked in all of my dark. Because in photography, if you think about it as a photographer, everybody's like, oh, it's all about light. You gotta capture the light. You gotta get the best light. Like it's lighting, lighting, lighting. What it takes to become a true artist is mastering shadow. And that is when you. That's when photography. That's when a picture turns into art. When somebody knows how to master the shadows and integrate the shadows into the work. The light is great, but you gotta master the shadows. And it wasn't until I did that that I was able to be myself. Wow.

[Michael McMillan]

And here you are. And that's. This is the product. And it sounds like. It sounds like strangely not so strangely that, you know, you have integrated, you know, pre. Pre. Nde Elton with Post. NDE and Spiritual Elton now. You know, because it sounds to me like when you were like, I went back to LA and I picked up the photo, you know, I became. It's like that to me. I was like, oh, yeah, you're trying to pour this stuff into an old mold that you've already outgrown. So that's not. That's not going to work. But you're. Sounds like you've taken all these different aspects of yourself and put them into your current form, which will obviously continue to. To evolve, you know.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Because you're going to be. You're using. You're still using photography skills and what you, what you do now. I feel like, you know.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Yeah, I'm still, I'm still using. I still shoot from. I shoot like once or twice a year for specific clients, but more so now I am. I just got inspired to launch my own podcast on my YouTube channel.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

And building this platform on TikTok and Instagram. And then I've been doing some writing on Substack. So that's a really cool community over there. So it's been fun to become a content creator. I do talk a lot about building an online business and like wealth consciousness because I think that spirituality and abundance are one and the same. You know, I don't think that you need to be denouncing wealth or money to live a life of alignment. And so that's. I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm like, how can I turn this into some coins too, as well? But. Because I love having living a rich life.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, it gives you. It does give you a sense of freedom. You know what I mean? That's the thing. I mean, I think the real key for like being able to make money is you're hoping you're making money in a way that allows you to continue to explore and do the things you feel free to do, to create and all of that. Stuff. It's harder when you're like, I'm broke. I can't. Do you know what I mean? Like, we've all. We've all been there, you know, like, so that's great. Well, so on that note, where can people find your stuff, Elton? Like, if they want to read your stuff on Substack or where should people go? I'm gonna put some links. Where should I point them to to find you?

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

I would say right now, just go to my Instagram. Elton Anderson Jr. That's just my full name. It's just the JR. And then my YouTube is popping. And then there's links to Substack and TikTok on both of those.

[Michael McMillan]

But great.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

But I also. My YouTube channel and my TikTok are both L10 raw. So it's L10 R A W. And I say that's, like my rap name. Cause I feel like I'm a rap. I feel like this new Persona is a rapper, but nice.

[Riley Bray]

Truth teller.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

But the RAW is an acronym, and it also means that I'm just raw and real. But RAW stands for reality is already written. Cool. So your reality is already. You're already designed. It's like we're all seeds. Like, you may be a mango seed, you may be a pumpkin seed, I may be an apple seed. But we all come down here and it's the idea that we have to remember what kind of seed we are. And once you get to the environment and get the nutrients and get the notion that, hey, you're just supposed to be an apple tree, and that's all you gotta be, you already are that. You just have to be aligned in that. And that's kind of like what my whole new mantra is for life.

[Michael McMillan]

See, Elton, you're already synchronizing. Apples come up a lot on this show. It's too difficult to explain. But apple seed.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

New.

[Michael McMillan]

New. The listeners will know.

[Riley Bray]

Star consciousness. Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

They will know. I have my own rap Persona on the show. His name is Applesauce. And now we were adding to the. Continue to add to the family tree, so to speak. So to speak. Rap, so to speak. Elton Anderson Jr. It's been such a pleasure to get to know you and just to meet you and absolutely would love to talk to you again. We'll point, you know, we'll tag you and. And the stuff on Instagram on our side, and we'll send you links and everything, and people will know where to find you. So thank you for being here. Everybody else, thank you for being here. If you want more BCC? Come join us at bcc.supercast.com for three bonus episodes every month. Maybe we'll get Elton over there for a bonus episode at some point this year. Who knows?

[Riley Bray]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

And ad free regular episodes like the one you're listening to right now and music from Riley. If we don't see you over there, we will see you back here next Wednesday for an all new episode. Until then, good night and go get regressed.

[Riley Bray]

Dude.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

That was amazing.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, amazing. You're like a. You're a modern day mystic adventurer.

[Michael McMillan]

I know.

[Elton Anderson Jr.]

Storyteller.

[Michael McMillan]

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