"Real Vampires" w/ Ryan Gaul

Summary

Bigfoot Collectors Club — "Real Vampires" w/ Ryan Gaul

Release Date: October 8, 2025
Hosts: Michael McMillian & Riley Bray
Guest: Ryan Gaul (actor, comedian)

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Episode Overview

This Halloween-season episode dives into the historical and folk origins of "real vampires," blending high-energy banter with classic BCC paranormal storytelling. Regular guest Ryan Gaul joins to reminisce about autumn in Maine, argue over paranormal skepticism, and hear retellings of European vampire cases—especially the infamous Highgate Vampire. The trio explore skepticism, belief, vulnerability in the paranormal, and the evolution of vampire myths from grotesque monsters to modern sex symbols.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Clubhouse Banter: Months as Days of the Week

[01:25–09:00]

• The hosts and Ryan riff about what days of the week each month feels like, with lots of playful debate and tangents.
  • Michael: “August is the Sunday of the year”
  • Ryan: “Each season is a weekend—and each has a Friday, Saturday, Sunday.”
  • The discussion playfully devolves into confusion and contradiction, with everyone staking comedic claims.

Ryan's FOMO & Friendship

[09:00–12:40]

• Ryan expresses jealousy (with tongue-in-cheek sincerity) about missing the group’s haunted hotel overnight.
  • Ryan [09:16]: “I have to tell them. Next time—you must take me. You must take me!”
• The hosts reassure him: he’ll be tops on the invite list for future ghost-hunting endeavors.

Movie & Comedy Updates

[11:06–12:40]

• Ryan shares a quick update about his upcoming movie and casts, inviting listeners in Atlanta to the festival screening.

Opening Up: Paranormal Skepticism and Vulnerability

[26:56–35:23]

• Ryan, typically a self-described skeptic, reveals he’s warming up to the idea that some form of non-material human connection may exist—perhaps spurred by thoughts of family mortality.
  • Ryan [27:06]: “There's too much there in a human for it just to go, disappear... I want to experience something in that world.”
• A recent psychic reading challenged him to “open up” more genuinely to paranormal experiences.
• The hosts and Ryan discuss how earnestness, vulnerability, and intention are essential, not just cleverness or performative cool.
  • Riley [34:42]: “There’s a vulnerability there… when you earnestly talk to your grandma or a ghost... maybe you feel silly, but you’re breaking through that wall.”

Notable Quote:

“If you want to see some—because I was like, I want to see proof. I want—and [the psychic] was like, 'You'll never see it if you’re not open to it.' ...You have to do a little work…meditation, sitting, and when you sit there and ask a question… you have to mean it.”
—Ryan Gaul [30:12]

Tangent — “Geek/Nerd/Dork/Dweeb” Anthropology

[44:19–48:40]

• The hosts dissect the differences between terms like nerd, geek, dork, dweeb, and doofus as applied through the lens of ‘80s and ‘90s childhood, linking “cringe-vulnerability” to growing up.

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Paranormal News: Black Triangle UFO over Texas

[13:50–21:39]

• Michael shares a story (from Express, 9/30/25) of a black, pyramid-shaped UFO filmed over Texas.
• The group analyzes the video:
  • Skepticism about eyewitness estimates of size and flight;
  • Video appears to show nothing more than “a trash bag filled with helium” ([19:25], Ryan: “You can kind of see the balloon knot”).
  • Conclude most “aliens” recently are just balloons or trash bags.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “All aliens lately have been plastic bags. This is making me sad. What is this, American Beauty?”
    —Michael [19:49]

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Halloween Memories & The Power of Maine Autumn

[23:31–26:29]

• Ryan, whose birthday is October 29th, reminisces about Halloween growing up in Maine:
  • Fall parties with friends, wandering in the woods at night.
  • “It feels so haunted and great… the trees are literally, like, releasing their leaves all over you…”

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Trick or Treat Game: Ryan’s Paranormal Classifications

[52:12–56:22]

• Halloween-ified speed round: Michael prompts, Ryan answers “Trick” for skeptical/disbelief, “Treat” for legit/open.
  • Notable Calls:
    • Ghosts: Treat
    • Bigfoot: Trick
    • UFOs: Treat
    • Witches: Treat
    • Vampires/Werewolves/Demons: Trick
    • Afterlife: Treat
• Discussion on why “curses” and “bad luck” may be real, via self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Main Segment: "Terrifying Tale From Zombie Bigfoot’s Cryptid Crypt" – REAL VAMPIRES

[61:32–95:04]

Historical Vampire Lore & Case Studies

• Highgate Vampire (London, 1970):

  • Foxes found dead in Highgate Cemetery, suspected black magic.
  • Eyewitnesses describe a sinister, tall figure with glowing eyes.
  • Occult investigators descend; police and the public freak out.
  • Real human body found staked and decapitated ([83:55]).

• Classical Vampire Origins:

  • From Eastern Europe—Slavic and Balkan folklore, infected corpses, “bloated, purplish, lumbering” undead.
  • Protective measures: staking, scythes over the grave, burying face down.
  • Romanticization emerges in 19th-century English fiction (“The Vampyre,” Polidori; “Dracula,” Stoker).

• Historical "Vampire Plagues":

  • Wienericus (Poland, 1591): Committed suicide, deemed a vampire, dug up, and dismembered.
  • Johannes Kunz (Pench, 1592): Kicked “in the dick by a lusty gelding,” went mad, attacked by a cat, later rumored to rise as a vampire, haunt and grope villagers; body eventually dismembered and burned.
    • Ryan [73:54]: “How hard do you have to get kicked in the balls to go crazy—and then on top of it to have a cat go, 'that looks like a good guy to just rip to shreds'?”
  • Petar Blagovic (Serbia, 1725): Visited villagers and family after death; nine claimed he sat on their chest; villagers caught, staked, and burned him.
  • Arnold Paoli (Serbia, 1726–32): Mass hysteria led to dozens of corpses dug up and staked—officially recognized by authorities and military.

• Modern "Vampire Attack" (London, 1922):

  • Series of neck-bite attacks near Coventry Street; rumors of enormous bat; local media frenzy; supposed police-employed vampire hunter.

• Highgate, 1970s:

  • Rival occultists, media sensationalism, seances, arrests for “occultism,” vampire panic laced with political and pop-culture satire.

Reflections & Analysis

• The group marvels at how “real vampires” of folklore were more zombie-like, not romantic—unwashed, bloated, terrifying.

• Michael: “It wasn’t until the 18th century that they started to get sexy…for hundreds of years, vampires were just undead that feed off human blood and flesh.”

• Digging up bodies for "signs of vampirism" common, due to medical ignorance about disease and decomposition.

• Discussion of Self-Fulfilling Prophecies/Manifesting:

  • Curses and omens (like black cats) hold power mainly over those who believe.
  • “Isn’t that what Oedipus Rex is all about?” —Michael [56:52]

Notable Quotes

“What really sticks with me from this whole thing is just how much people were digging up and dismembering bodies… I think it's just this curiosity about death and biology—like, 'let's dig them up, chop them up.'”
—Riley [89:26]

“I still say [vampires are a] trick, but hearing all that—I think there's something, especially… what you were talking about earlier… the false deaths was probably a huge thing before.”
—Ryan [92:49]

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Lighter Moments & Humor

• Geek/Nerd/Dork/Dweeb Taxonomy

  • Playful, extended riff breaking down 1980s/90s schoolyard social labels:
    • Ryan [44:55]: “A dork is like a socially and physically uncoordinated, unaimed, like force of nature…”
    • “Doofus is a temporary thing….”

• Recurring animal interruptions: Riley’s dog Nova, outside construction noise, comical background chaos.

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Closing & Plugs

• Ryan plugs:
  • His Instagram (@rygal) and live shows at The Groundlings (LA)
• BCC plug: Halloween merch, BCC Clubhouse (bonus content and Discord)
• Last word: Everyone’s invited next time there’s a ghost hunt.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Paranormal Banter (Months as Days): 01:25–09:00
• Ryan’s FOMO & Host Friendships: 09:00–12:40
• Black Triangle UFO News: 13:50–21:39
• Halloween Memories/Main Autumn Vibes: 23:31–26:29
• Ryan’s Paranormal Openness & Sincerity: 26:56–35:23
• Ouija Boards & Paranormal Tools: 35:35–41:28
• Nerd/Dork Taxonomy: 44:19–48:40
• ‘Trick or Treat’ Game: 52:12–56:22
• Vampire Lore Deep Dive & Stories: 61:32–95:04

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “You can kind of see the balloon knot.” —Ryan (on the UFO video) [19:25]
• “You heard it here. Ryan loves white.” —Michael (teasing a slip about “white cold”) [06:57]
• “It doesn’t cost anything to believe that.” —Ryan (on spiritual openness) [28:14]
• “The fear of cringe is the death of individuality.” —Riley [42:39]
• “It's one thing to get kicked in the nuts. It's another thing to go delirious, then a cat rips your face off. What a week.” —Ryan [73:54]

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Overall Tone and Language

Lively, comedic, and affectionate. The hosts merge irreverence with serious deep-dives into folklore, encouraging listeners to find joy in the weird, to be open, but remain skeptical. Recurring inside jokes, playful fighting, and pop-culture asides keep things light during even the grisliest stories.

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Useful for:

• Any listener wanting a breezy but thorough breakdown of vampire myth origins and their connection to folklore, skepticism, and modern paranormal thought.
• Fans of Halloween, 1980s nostalgia, and clubby, friendship-driven storytelling.
• Those interested in how belief, vulnerability, and skepticism interact in the world of the paranormal.

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For further details, check out BCC Clubhouse for bonus content and connect with other “club scouts.”

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Oh boy, that guy's a tool.

[C]

Shifting gears.

[A]

New Wednesdays, 8, 7 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu.

[B]

It's Bigfoot Collectors Club with Micha and Riling. I know a story of highest rangness or two. Let's do this. Bone predictor. Coming in hot.

[A]

You know what? Halloween's getting close and I start making my bone predictions.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And I think I know what bone you're picking with us this week.

[C]

Ready to pick?

[A]

I hope you do. Hi everybody. Welcome back to Terrifying Tales from Zombie Bigfoot's Cryptid Crypt. All month long here on Bigfoot Collectors Club, we're telling extra spooky stories of high strangeness. I'm your host, Mike Hell. Or was it Mike Skull? Yeah, Mike Skull McHellian. And with me always is the Beast of Bray Moog.

[B]

Oh, it's Moog.

[A]

Moog. I knew it.

[B]

You like road. I get it. I get it. It's.

[A]

It's a pedal. It's a pedal, right?

[B]

It's a synthesizer. Well, it's a man, but it's a synthesizer.

[A]

It's a man.

[B]

Bob Moog.

[A]

Oh, Moog. Can I take it back even though we're not going to cut it? Yeah. With me always is the Beast of Bray Moog, Riley Brain. Wow. Oh. That was submitted by JBC 1813. Sorry, JBC. I don't know this stuff like you two do. You can see who our guest is. He's also in the episode description so title, so who cares?

[C]

It's not.

[A]

Yeah, let's not hide it. We'll bring you right in and then you can join us for some clubhouse keeping. Our guest this week is an actor and comedian that you know from the last OG and Comedy Bang Bang. He's currently doing a new show at LA's famous famous the Groundlings. Heard of it? Directed by friend of the show, Kevin Kirkpatrick himself. If you're in la, you got to get out there Saturday nights. He's A fellow club scout making what I believe is his fourth appearance on the show. Maybe fifth. Are you the five timers yet?

[C]

I haven't done five yet. I don't know, to be honest.

[A]

Liver. We did Liverpool. We did Liverpool time slip. We did stumps from space. Liverpool time slip is over on the other side, I think. And then we did obviously the Tower of London episode.

[B]

Memory.

[A]

I think this is four.

[C]

Did you just remember that or did you ever. Were you thinking about this beforehand?

[B]

It's. It's psychotic the way his recall for this show.

[A]

I remember all. I remember all my favorite guests. Factually inaccurate or not. Club scouts of all timelines. Please welcome back the one and only Ryan Gall.

[C]

Ryan Ghoul.

[A]

Thank you. I forgot what month I was in.

[C]

Happy October, by the way. My favorite month of the year.

[B]

It is.

[C]

Yes, absolutely.

[A]

Isn't it?

[C]

Now people like December and. But there's a. There's two. It's like a war between the Decemberists in the Octoberists. I'm a hearty Octoberist.

[B]

Yeah. December is the. Is the Sunday of the year, whereas October is clearly the Saturday of the year.

[A]

Now wait just one minute, Riley. We already established that August is the Sunday.

[C]

August of the year, if anything, because.

[A]

We got to go back to school on September, which is Monday. I would say December's a Friday. Even though we run out of months, December's a Friday.

[C]

Saturday to me. Saturday for sure. It's like the. It's the play time of the year.

[A]

It's. You know what? You know what it is? It's because there's six months. So you got to squeeze seven days into each six month cycle. That's what it is. So. So I would say that still kind of makes it. That makes. That would make. That would make what? March. The Sunday. That doesn't make sense.

[B]

I said sticking by it.

[C]

You're not giving up.

[B]

I'm dying on this hill.

[C]

March like the Tuesday afternoon.

[A]

It's 100% a Tuesday afternoon. Let's go through all the months right now. January.

[C]

January is Monday.

[A]

Monday.

[B]

January is a Monday morning leads.

[A]

Yes, I get it. Yes, yes, I get it.

[C]

It does support your theory.

[A]

But we might not go linearly here. Okay. January is a Monday morning.

[B]

Chaos.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

February is like a Tuesday. No, is. Is Monday evening around dinner time.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

It's like Twilight. You know what I mean? Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's when you come home and your mom has made fish.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And you're like, oh, it smells like fish.

[A]

February is a disappointing 15 minute wait for a disappointing Monday. Night dinner.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

March, Tuesday afternoon. April. April's April.

[C]

April has hope. April brings hope. So I feel like that is hump day. That's Wednesday.

[A]

Yeah, It's a rainy but pretty Wednesday.

[C]

Yeah. You get glimpses of green in the forest. It's like it's coming back. It's coming back.

[A]

Now, I think that Wednesday continues into May, because. I know. No, because May, I would actually say I think we start April just like April comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb. I think April comes in as a Wednesday and goes out as a Thursday. Because May's a Friday.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yes, it is.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

June is.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

June's Friday for sure. Yeah.

[C]

I'm not a summer boy. I'm not a summer baby. No, I like the cold. So, like, my happy days align with cold months, even though that doesn't make sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

February and. And January, because those are cold. But those are gloomy old post Christmas.

[B]

Everything fresh, cold, new cold.

[C]

I like new cold. I like white. White cold. That doesn't sound good. No, I like.

[A]

Wait, what? You heard it here. Ryan loves white.

[B]

Welcome to the brocast, everybody.

[A]

Okay, so, all right. May's Thursday, June's Friday, July, Saturday, which makes August Sunday again, which I'm correct about. So we're both right.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

How are we getting from that Sunday to Sunday of December?

[C]

I. I'll take. Here's a hot take. Each season is a weekend.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And each season has a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

[A]

Okay. Like this.

[C]

Because it's.

[A]

Yes, Magnum, the year is too hard.

[C]

To like because there's too many Fridays in there, too many happy days.

[A]

You are 100% correct on this, Ryan. You have solved it. Because September's a Monday, October is a Tuesday. Definitely.

[C]

No, wait.

[A]

No, wait. September's a. Wait, we've lost quarters.

[C]

No, because September, August is the Sunday of summer.

[A]

No, no, no, because summer is actually. Okay, so if we're going June, July, August, September, October, November.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So we're not going by the calendar year.

[B]

It's seven days to each three months.

[A]

Right. So. But we're shifting because I'm going by, like, the fiscal quarter. You know what I mean? So it's like, oh, you're going like, I'm going tax year October. Yes. I'm going corporate year. So I'm not. So let's IG talking Q1.

[B]

Q2.

[A]

All corporate quarters are Monday afternoons.

[B]

It's all Monday. Yeah.

[C]

There so many people.

[A]

Are there ghosts in this podcast or not?

[C]

They're doing the. The 32nd jump ahead, just waiting to hear anything to do with Ghost.

[A]

Still talking about 30 minutes in now.

[C]

I think he's a calendar accountant or something.

[B]

Like, I don't understand September 17th. Where are we then?

[A]

Now, which holidays are Mondays? Arbor Day flat.

[B]

It's Tuesday, actually.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Spring break's a Saturday.

[C]

That's seven Saturdays in a row.

[A]

Oh. So you got a bone to pick with us, Ryan? What the hell's going on?

[B]

Yeah, let's hear it.

[C]

I don't want to start off this way, but. But I feel like I'm. I can be transparent with you guys and open and honest, and. I saw that you guys did an overnight in a hotel.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

And I feel like I told you, if you ever do an overnight in a hotel.

[B]

You did tell us that you did.

[C]

I have to go. I'll pay my own way. I will buy my own room. I will do everything. I'll bring my own equipment. And then what do I have to do is see Steve Berg getting a reverse lap dance.

[A]

Breaks my heart. Oh, I'm sorry.

[C]

I was. I. I understand, but I. I truly was very. I had such FOMO and such jealousy. I was like, I have to tell them next time. You must. Must take me. You must take me.

[A]

Yes, yes, absolutely.

[B]

A thousand times, yes.

[A]

Brian, we would love to have you. You were on, I believe when we were doing all this, you were out showing your movie at film festivals. I don't even think you were available.

[C]

That's possible, but I don't know if anybody did a check.

[A]

We didn't check a convenient out, you.

[C]

Know, but I may have been traveling.

[A]

I mean, Ryan, we would love that more than anything. So next one guarantee at the top of the invite list. Okay.

[C]

Okay, good. And I. And by the way, it would. If Steve Berg is there, too. That would. That's.

[A]

No, no.

[C]

Triple. Triple joy.

[A]

No, he is out. No, he's out now.

[C]

Is he getting to.

[A]

I would love to have both of you there. Well, I'll grow a mustache, and then we can be the mustache boys again.

[C]

Everybody.

[B]

Mine's like a real kind of wispy Vincent Price, but. But it's blondish.

[C]

Even. Even better. It's fine.

[A]

You got long hair. You make up for it.

[C]

You know, you just get. You can just spirit gum some of you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, we'll get you a fake one. So how's the. Tell us how the. How the movie's going. What's the movie update McGurt?

[C]

It's good. It should. I Can't say too much, but it should be on a streaming service soon.

[A]

Good.

[C]

And people will be able to see it. And we're going to our probably final film festival in Atlanta in a couple weeks.

[A]

Okay, so. Great.

[C]

Any. Anybody in Atlanta, come on down. It's going to be Sunday the. I. I think Sunday the 20th at 5pm at the Limelight Theater at the 20. The 20th, is that right?

[B]

The 20th.

[A]

I think 20th is a Monday because my birthday is the 21st.

[C]

Okay, then the 19th.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I'm glad.

[A]

19.

[C]

Fix it.

[A]

Fantastic. Well, congratulations. It's getting great buzz. I've seen wonderful reviews. I, of course, have not spoiled myself. And I've not gotten a link to watch it yet. So I'm. I guess I'm gonna try to see it. Is it coming to la? Can I see it in a theater? Are you gonna have a screen here?

[C]

I just have to remember to send it to you.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because I want you to. I want you guys to watch it because it would be fun to talk about. And yeah, we would love.

[A]

We would love it. And we want the cast to come on the show.

[C]

Whenever you're friends with your friends, with a lot of them.

[A]

Allison in the pocket. I've already talked to her. She wants to go. I've met Patty Guggenheim a couple times. I think she's one of the greatest. We'd be honored to have her. Everybody else, whoever they may be. I can't remember everybody on the show.

[C]

They're all, well, Kyle. Kyle Kennedy.

[A]

Kyle's great.

[C]

Nick Panessa, you may know.

[A]

I think I do know. We've met. Yes.

[C]

There's a bunch of. Bunch of people that would be so fun to have on.

[A]

Okay, great.

[C]

But, yeah, thanks for checking in.

[A]

Well, thanks for being here. Sorry it's not a haunted hotel, but we promise we'll get you one in the near future. I thought you were gonna get. You had beef with us because you know every time you come on the show, our audience likes to clap back. Ryan, the first time it was over your opinions on dowsing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The second time, controversial. It was your fact in the Tower of London that people ate pig. We had a couple historians. Come on, say people didn't eat pig. They were not eating.

[C]

I don't believe them. I don't believe them. People eat big.

[A]

So I thought you were gonna get mad at us for. For rebuking your. Your facts. I want to know who.

[C]

I want to know who told you people weren't eating big. Let me go straight to them. Have A televised debate.

[A]

Great. Yeah, I would love this actually. See you get destroyed in 30 seconds.

[C]

Yeah, I mean my, my reference like is not great. It was like a London tour from a teenager or something.

[A]

So they used to eat the.

[C]

I believe it.

[A]

Oh, there's Nova that's letting us know.

[B]

He'S real ornery today, I gotta tell you. We're gonna get some more of those.

[A]

I got. Really. I got one of those here. But I think that was him telling us it's time to move it along. Yeah, he's like, enough. Get ready, Riley, because we do have some basic news. That's right, it's October, so the news is extra spooky. I did a little quick googs and I was like, what's up with our friends from other planets right now? And I found out, Nova, that a mysterious black pyramid shaped UFO has been spotted flying over the US this past month. Now this is from a reputable website called express. It's dated the 9th of. Wait, the 30th of September. New footage of a mysterious object flying over Texas in broad daylight has been discovered by UFO hunters. The sighting occurred on Sept. 8 in Trenton, shortly after 8pm Eastern when two witnesses saw the pyramid shaped object moving eastward for at least two minutes. The Texas resident who was on his property at the time of the incident managed to get close and shoot a clear video of what is said to be the object as it appeared from a tree line about 330ft above the ground. The witness who sent his footage to the National UFO Reporting center or New Fork, added that the dark triangle appeared bronze and was illuminated or had a pulsating light around its edges. Now, while I go on, I'm going to let everybody know that there's a link to a video. You kind of have to fish your way through some in the middle of the article to get to it, but you will see the video playing there. Although the person filming the UFO noticed the object changing shape, it was seen to maintain a straight edge in the triangular or pyramid design during the more than 60 seconds that the witness managed to follow it with his camera. New Fork volunteer run profit organization has been collecting UFO reports since 1974, stressed that it is possible that the object was simply a balloon. And US military officials have maintained that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial contact. Those wet blankets. This incident was one of 10 reported in Texas alone over the past three weeks. Moreover, it is the latest encounter with the suspected object described as a black triangle seeing flying over the US this year. Black triangles are back Baby. This particular triangle was reported flying at around 32 to 48 miles per hour. So kind of balloon speed in high winds. As it climbed higher into the sky and receded into the distance that night, the witness added that the unidentified object made no sound as it at all as it flew through the air. It was estimated to be between 1.8 and 2.1 meters long, making it relatively large if it was just an ordinary balloon. And then they go into about black triangles being seen. In May, another Texas resident, resident claimed to have seen a large black triangle the size of a football field with faint green lights. And just the day before the Trenton incident, someone saw a UFO in Hudson Falls, New York, about 9,000ft above the ground. There was no sound. It was a large black object with white lights around the edges. The witness reported to New Fork. There you go. So what do you guys think about this particular video now? I find black triangles to be the most menacing and spooky of all UFOs. What do you think, Ryan?

[C]

Well, this is. This is what you sent me, right? The. The video that I got.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[C]

Yeah. I, I. There were a couple things about it immediately that stuck out to me. One, there was no frame of reference in the video. There was nothing in it that I could compare any size to. I, I'm curious to know how they knew the size of it or how high it was in the air. Right. Depending. Those. I don't. I don't know how they figured that out, but I guess the people that saw it were estimating that.

[A]

I think the people were saying that that's how high it was.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know how people do that. Like, that other one is 9,000ft.

[C]

How are you. Like, that's a. That's, that's very specific.

[B]

Specific. Yeah. Like, I don't know what 9,000ft looks like.

[A]

No, anything past 100ft, I'm like, a thousand. I don't know.

[C]

No, it could be like a child's balloon on a string, and I'd be like, that's got to be 500ft.

[A]

I don't know. That's pretty high up there. I guess this is why I love below deck, because all those bosons and deckhands are shouting how many meters they are. The boat, the yacht is away from any given moment. I'm like, how do they know this? How does anyone learn this? I can't tell.

[C]

Did you. If you look closely, though. Because I kind of did a little capture of it and then zoomed in on it.

[A]

I Love that you can hear all the cicadas though, by the way. That's a real.

[C]

That is nice touch. That is fun. I recently went to Kentucky and that was my first experience with cicadas. And it was loud. It was very loud.

[A]

Yeah, they are. They can be very loud. This does kind of look like a balloon.

[B]

It feels balloon like it looks like.

[A]

A trash bag filled with helium.

[C]

It is a trash bag either filled with helium or just a trash bag tied at the bottom. You can kind of see the balloon knot.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Excuse me. And you can see it. The balloon knot is always heavier, so it tends to float on the bottom, which it is doing. And it is. It kind of explains why it's floating around so, you know, erratically.

[B]

This is a trash bag. We solved.

[C]

That's a trash bag.

[A]

100% trash bag.

[B]

Yeah, that's a trash bag.

[A]

All aliens lately have in plastic bags. This is making me sad. What is this? American Beauty? Come on.

[B]

I think I just casually mentions another one the size of a football field and then just moves on.

[A]

I think we talked about. I think we talked about that during BCC UFO roundup this summer because I think they're just pulling those reports off of the new. New. You know what? They're probably pulling it from our website.

[C]

They might be is what, 100, 100 meters?

[A]

It's about. Well, you know, it's either the size of a pie plate or a dinner table. I'm not sure. I can't judge.

[B]

Yards are meters.

[A]

100.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's the length of a child.

[C]

Either way, it's 9,000ft in the air. That's still pretty big.

[B]

Yeah, that is an impossible estimation. Yeah, it's the size of a football field 9,000ft in the sky.

[A]

So cruising altitude for. For an airplane is what, 30, 000ft? So if it's. You could measure that being 30, 000ft. So if it's bigger than a plane, you could start like decreasing it in that way by tens. You know what I mean? You're doing 30, 20, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

You're assuming it's. You're assuming it's a specific size because say it's the size of an airplane instead of being 100 yards.

[A]

It's.

[C]

It's only, you know, I'm just saying.

[A]

I know how you know, you can tell 30, 000ft if you've seen like commercial airliner flying through the sky. Yeah, I'm not judging by size. I'm judging by height. I'm learning how to do this now. How dare you guys want to go on a yacht? We decide it's a. It's a trash bag, right?

[C]

I think so.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair.

[A]

Okay. All right. Well, I hope.

[C]

I wish it wasn't. I truly wish it wasn't.

[A]

I do, too. What if it's a UFO disguised as a trash bag?

[C]

Then I say yeah. I say. On your way, alien.

[A]

Good day, sir.

[C]

You got us. You got us. You found a way in.

[B]

A tip of the 10 gallon hat.

[A]

Yes. Now, how do you know how many gallons that hat is?

[C]

Well.

[B]

Well, I'm viewing it from 5,000ft, so.

[A]

Oh, yeah. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we may or may not get into paranormal stuff. We'll find out.

[C]

We'll.

[A]

Hey, club scouts, don't fast forward this. I know, I know, I know you don't like ads, Riley, and I don't either. I mean, we love them. Don't listen to us. But between you and me, we know you don't love ads. That's why we've created BCC Clubhouse where you can get ad free episodes just like the one you're listening to right now, but without this. This won't happen over there over@bcc supercast.com and we're not just giving you ad free episodes. We've also got three bonus episodes every month with Bigfoot Collectors Club, the Other side. As well as original music from Riley with BCC Cosmic Tracks. Three channels, one place, BCC [e-mail]. it's where you're gonna get everything you need from Bigfoot Collectors Club. We are waiting for you. What are you waiting for? Go over to bcc.supercast.com and join us today. And stop listening to this now. Listen to the episode. Ryan, you said you love October. You obviously love horror movies. Do you have any special Halloween memories? Do you like. What do you. What did you do for Halloween growing up?

[C]

I was lucky enough to have my birthday two days before Halloween on October 29th.

[A]

Buddy, I'm October 21st. Do we not know that? We're like birthday friends.

[C]

We're Scorpio brothers.

[A]

I'm a Libra, but I'm a Scorpio Rising.

[C]

Okay, so we still have some.

[A]

So close.

[B]

Wow. I'm kind of glad you guys are not Scorpio brothers because I would have felt so left out.

[A]

We're the Scorpion Scorpio brothers.

[B]

We're like Ryan watching that episode with Steve Berg.

[A]

Good. Good.

[C]

Somebody has to feel how I felt.

[A]

The super Scorpio brothers. It's just like the Mario brothers, except you have scorpion tails.

[C]

Except we just, like, keep secrets and.

[A]

Lock Riley out of the room. Yeah. Close. Come on.

[C]

Did you have. I feel like we may have talked about this, but it was great because Halloween is not a. It's not like Christmas where you have a birthday close to Christmas where you have to double up on presents. Halloween's not really a present holiday. It's just fun. So it was like, huge amounts of fun on Halloween followed or my birthday with presents followed by this, like, celebration of. Of Halloween. Two days later. I was in heaven. Yeah, in heaven. So I'd have parties. I'd have parties. And like, just in Maine, we had nothing. So I'd have a party and just invite 20 people over and we'd have pizza and fruit punch and then go out into the woods in the night and with. With flashlights and just scare the crap out of each other.

[B]

It's the best.

[C]

It was the best. It was so simple. But it's like, oh, I. If I tried to get my kids to do that, they'd be like, what? Why would you go in the woods, you idiot? Sticks are not guns. Sticks are not knives or swords.

[A]

We. And I don't know why I put myself in here. Maybe it's because I'm your Scorpio bro, but Maine has. Maine must have some of the most beautiful fall foliage that you've ever seen. I've never been there. I've seen pictures, but it must feel. It just must feel very autumn y there.

[C]

It feels so haunted and great. It's like, you know, walking through the woods in the fall is like everything is dying. Like, the trees are literally, like, releasing their leaves all over you at some weird. Like, it smells like dead leaves. It's so fresh and. And everything's a little wet because it rains a lot in the fall. I mean, I can't. I can't get an. I'm. I'm very sad that I still miss. I miss falls there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I get. I get back. But there's nothing like going to the school bus in the morning and trampling through leaves and. And old trees that are leafless and look like. You could say, like, oh, that one looks like an old man. I mean, I was obsessed with everything. Everything fall. Everything except pumpkin. Pumpkin flavored coffee.

[A]

Yeah, well, you were. As a child, you weren't forced to look at that all the time.

[C]

No, that's true.

[A]

That wasn't a thing. When we were kids.

[C]

No, they just said coffee.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, coffee. Any paranormal updates that we need to know about? Have you had any. Any kind of spooky updates or any new thoughts on the paranormal or anything about the unknown that has captured your fancy since we last saw you? No.

[C]

You know, I. You know, I fancy myself a skeptic, but I feel like I'm starting to soften in my old age where I'm. I'm more open to the world of, like, some sort of connection between humans that is not just, you know, it's not as simple as we. We think. And I don't. It might have to do with my parents getting older and thinking about them and their mortality and. And I'm like, it can't. They're too. It feels like there's too much there in a human for it just to go, disappear. Like, nobody could see me. Snap. But I. It. You can't just disappear. I truly feel like I don't know what I'm searching for anymore, because it's not just, I'd love to see a ghost. I'd love to see Bigfoot. I'd love to see Loch Ness monster, but I'd also. I'm just sort of like, oh, I kind of just want to. I want to experience something in that world, too. Of like, oh, I'm. I feel my grandmother or. I feel like there's too many people that I talked to that somebody was just saying they were going on for a show, and they started laughing for no reason. And, like, they heard. They heard their grandfather, who they had only met a few times, like, talked to them, and I was like, that's crazy. That's not. And. And. But as I listened, I thought, God, it's. It doesn't. It doesn't cost anything to believe that. And it only brought joy to this person. It only made them better in that moment. And. And. And I'm like, yeah, I need to. I need to at the very least open myself up to it more so that I can. I can let it in if it does exist.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Nova, you agree?

[B]

He's. He's chiming in.

[C]

He's like.

[B]

I had him subdued under the desk for a while, getting pets, but he got bored and just wants to shout at me some more.

[C]

Of course he did.

[B]

So, like, what you're describing is kind of like a. Like a consciousness sort of mesh layer kind of thing over reality. Is that. Is that kind of what you're hinting at or.

[C]

Sort of. It's a mix of. Of like some sort of connection, like in our. Like, probably a. Just a very simply a spiritual connection that we have, whether it's with one another or with specific people or with everybody, if you're open to it. I did go to. I went to a psychic in. Where was I? I was in Westerly, Rhode island, and I just walked in and.

[A]

That'S the loudest airplane.

[B]

Are you in like a World War II reality?

[A]

No, that's Ryan. So we find out he's in a foxhole this whole time.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

I didn't.

[C]

I couldn't even hear it.

[B]

Oh, don't worry about it.

[C]

Yeah, I. But. But she was like. She looked at me and she was like, within seconds, she goes, oh, you're not. You're not open to this.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

And she was like, you need to like you if you want to see some. Because I was like, I want to see proof. I want. And she was like, you'll never see it if you're not open to it. It doesn't. That's why people who aren't open to it or continue to not be open to it because they're like, I've never seen proof. You have to. You have to at least admit that it's possible that there's something more and then, then you'll see it, or you at least have the ability to see it then. So I've sort of had this shift in the way I've been thinking to go, like, all right, I'm just gonna say, like, you know, my grandmother who passed away several years ago, I'm like, I sort of talk to her in my car for no reason and just see like, if it changes my mood or my energy. And it kind of does. And I'm like, well, I guess regardless of whether that, that conversation I'm having with myself slash with her, if it doesn't ever reach what I'm imagining as her energy, it still can bring me joy. And that's. That, in a way, is. Has some importance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you think it is when people say, you gotta open yourself up to it? You know, I've been told that about, you know, latent, you know, medium style intuition and stuff like that. Like, what is it? What are. What's the switch that we need? What do you think for you is the switch that's off?

[C]

I. I think like.

[A]

Or how do you try. How do you. I guess what I'm actually saying is, like, how do you open yourself up?

[C]

Yeah, I think for me it's gonna be. I. I don't know if I Asked it exactly the same way you did to this psychic, but I was like, well, what do I do? Which is the same thing. And she's like, well, you have to do a little work. You know, meditation and sitting. You know, say you go to that hotel and sitting in a room, and when you sit there and ask a question to, you know, a ghost that lives there or a. Or something that has been witnessed by other people, like, you have to mean it. You have to actually say it with expectation that there might be something back. And not in a joking way and not in a. Like, I'm never gonna hear anything back, like, really try. I think. I think there's effort, and I think you have to actually do some work. And that's open. It's not just being like, okay, I'll decide to believe now. I think you actually have to do some work.

[B]

Like an earnestness to it where you're. You're not.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Around about it.

[C]

Yeah. Which can come across as, like, a little. You know, I think I've kind of rolled my eyes at people who've done this in the past.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

And that's probably a shit. A shift for me is that I'm going to. I'm going to actually, you know, try and see what I can discover, which is so.

[A]

Excuse me. Sorry. I have a real frog in my throat. Which is so interesting to hear you say, Ryan. And we've kind of talked about this when you've been on the show before, because you're here and you're excited. You know what I mean? It. It is interesting that your enthusiasm for the topic does not equal openness to. To the phenomenon, you know, or skepticism.

[C]

About the topic or the need to call people out who don't or, you know, because I still think there are a ton of people in this field that are just talking out their Southern mouth.

[B]

Charlatans. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And. And they, you know, a lot. A lot of. There's not a ton of proof in this field, but I don't know. I. I kind of want to. I want to shift more to the middle where I can just listen to people tell stories and. And kind of go, you know, well, there's no. There's no reason for a lot of these people to make stuff up. They're feeling something. So I just want to. I want to kind of investigate that for myself, like, why, what, How I want to feel what they're feeling, and I want to listen more earnestly when they tell stories instead of rolling my eyes. Yeah.

[B]

There's a vulnerability There, I think is like one of the things you're circling around where it's like, it's so easy when you're in like reason and logic and like intelligence sort of like have this construct where you're like, you can't be shaken really, but like there is that vulnerability of like excitedly and earnestly like talking to your grandma or like talking to a ghost in a hotel room or whatever, where you feel maybe a little silly, but if you like, it's like you're breaking through that sort of conditioned wall in a way. I mean, this is also coming from someone who is like, pretty skeptical. But like, I get what you're saying and I do like that. And I feel like when I was a teenager I had more of that and I'd, I'd like to.

[C]

Oh, interesting. So you've gone the other way.

[B]

Yeah, totally. I was definitely more like whimsical and woo woo when I was young and like trying to, you know, connect with the ethereal plane and all that stuff. And.

[C]

Yeah, it's interesting. I like. Will either of you guys mess around with Ouija boards?

[A]

Yeah. Hell yeah. I've done it before.

[C]

You, Both of you, you have no problem? Hell yeah. I'll do it right now.

[A]

Yeah. What do you tell me? I got one.

[C]

What do you want me to ask? Me to ask.

[B]

I got a planet right here. Portal opens up.

[C]

Yeah. I always, I always wonder why people like, there are some people who are quite like, you know, just like normal folk who, who just don't talk about ghosts. Don't believe necessarily in ghosts. They're skeptical, but they're like. Not Ouija boards.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Nope, I don't screw with those. And I've always wondered like, well, what, what is that? What is, is that religion, do you think?

[A]

I think part of it's a really. I think part of it's a religion, like the idea that you might invite a demon in. And I also think it feels a little sacrilegious because you're trying to like, you're using an occult instrument to like contact the dead.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I think there's a lot of built in or residual satanic panic about it from the 80s.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That being said, I also think it is a thing of like in a lot of cultures when it comes to this. We kind of talked about this with Brian Bahi last week. Like, you don't go. There's a lot of cultures that are like. He was talking about how his dad was like, you don't go looking for this stuff. You do not call it to you. You do not invite it in. And so I think with the Ouija boards in particular, it's the fear of your inviting something in. You're literally being like, hey. And you don't know what's on the other side. So I think people's like baseline superstitions will kick in about, like, let's just air on the side of caution here and not like invite one of the principles of hell, one of the, like, you know, governors of. Of hell into your living room or your bedroom. But that being said, the other thing is you can look up protection spells and things to say before and after. There's part before you, you know, doing a Ouija board to kind of protect your space. So I would do it, but with that in. In mind, you know what I mean? I would go in with like some ward, you know, with a little bit of a force field around me, you know, just to let everybody know, like, you're not getting. You're not getting in. You know, it's been years since I've done one, by the way. It sounds like I do it all.

[B]

The time, but I don't have you or. Or will. Would you. Will you mess with.

[C]

I have. I have not. Not in years and years. Did it work? Yeah, I'm possessed.

[A]

I was possessed by a very. I'll be honest, skeptical.

[C]

He hates dowsing rods, eats a lot of poop. No, it did. It did not work. Yeah, he died.

[B]

Big shit.

[C]

Specifically. I remember. I remember it not working. And I remember one person like very clearly trying to move it and being like, hey, you're moving it. But it was like a drunken night of something. Yeah, I was like.

[A]

But he's like trying to hold himself up with the planchette.

[C]

Just keeps. If you're moving, why is that a. Like supposedly an open door? It's a. Because the Ouija boards, you know, it's a man made. I mean.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What you want a game?

[A]

Really?

[C]

And like myself talking to my grandmother in my car. Is that. Does that open something up or is that. I'm asking you guys, like, you know, but I don't.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Like, I'm.

[A]

I think. I think in a lot of these practices, you know, the Ouija board is like a mirror for scrying or a crystal ball or like some people stare into a candle flame. Like, it's the idea, it's the intention is that is. Is the important thing. But I think having an object to interact and focus with, focus on might also. There's Something that happens to your consciousness when you're like zeroed in on a thing. Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and I do think, you know, if you stare into a mirror long enough, you're going to start to see. I'm not saying that's supernatural, but like it's a. It's trippy, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm not sure. I mean there. I think there are some people that would say, you know, this is kind of like what Nosferatu is all about. Like, if you call out for something, you might get something back. It may or may not be your grandmother. I think in a lot, a lot of times with like the Ouija board stuff, there might be a lot of trickster with you on that. But. But I also think that like, there's a way to be like, you know how families have like. What's the code word? You know, stranger. Hey, I'm your mom's friend. I'm picking you up from school. What's the code word? It's a mega man. You. I'm not getting in the car. You know, I think like that there are ways to say, grandma, if you're out there, give me a sign that I would know is from you. And then you go about your day and kind of forget about it and then see what comes up, you know?

[C]

Right.

[A]

See if you get an answer back and see if it's something that you're like, that's a hundred percent my grandma. Like that. That is something that she would do or that's a thing that I associated with her or whatever. You know, a song.

[C]

Ye.

[A]

A. An object of some kind popping up out of nowhere. I don't know.

[C]

True.

[A]

I think it's tough too. I think it's tough too. The thing that I was thinking of when you were talking about like being vulnerable, Riley, is like. Also I think that the thing about this stuff is it either. It feels like either like the paranormal is either one of two things. It's either like scary and hardcore or it's like very sentimental. And the, you know, the. The good side of this, the stuff that's not scary, the stuff of like, I'm. It was my grandma, she was there. That I think feels very sentimental to people. And I think sometimes sentimentality just automatically turns people off. And I think sometimes turns people off when it is coupled with. With faith or letting go of rational thought, you know, because then you're like, well, not only are you now being sentimental, but you're probably stupid, you know, is what I think a lot of people who get guarded about this stuff. So it's like you're dumb and you're crying.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I think that again, that ties into the vulnerability thing, you know, because it's kind of cringe, you know, all of this.

[B]

That especially nowadays, that is that buzzword. I feel like the fear of cringe is the death of individuality. It's like brutal. Just be cringe, whatever.

[C]

Too many pictures of angels around your house.

[A]

That is.

[B]

Cringe in like a cool, sexy way.

[A]

You gotta go. If you're gonna have angels all over your house, you have to have pictures of angels all over your house. You have to make it like a wild art project until it's non cringe.

[C]

But poor statues.

[A]

I get the cringe thing because to me it's like, yeah, don't. Don't you guys remember Riley? You're a little younger than us, but like everyone in the 80s was obsessed with being cool. Like cool was the buzzword. Are you cool or are you not cool? You know what I mean? And you were constantly like, how do I dress to look cool? How do I be cool? How do I be cool? Cool, cool, cool. And that was like, that was the thing. And I think it was sort of like, you know, an inverse of the. Of the cringe factor that's popular.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now it's a little more.

[C]

A little more accepted now to be vulnerable and to have this, you know, that kind of a. An emo energy about you is not as like in the the 80s like you said it would. It was more black and white of you're either cool or you weren't cool. And now there is a spectrum of like, you know, there's a. There's a lot more. There are so many different clicks as like used to be jock's band, theater kids, Nerds and dork.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[C]

By the way, difference. Have we talked about this?

[A]

Because I can't figure out dorks, nerds, dweebs, doofuses.

[C]

Do you know the difference? Geek.

[B]

Okay, so geeks, what are you laying down here?

[A]

Right? So I think, I think the. A dork. A dork is like a socially and physically uncoordinated, unaimed, like force of nature that is just moving through society and bumping into everything. Right? Yeah, that's a dork.

[C]

Just doing everything wrong socially.

[A]

Yeah, everything.

[C]

Everything's wrong. You smell, your hair is messed up.

[A]

That's a dork, A nerd. A nerd. I think nerds is. Nerd is tough because I think that like what we called a nerd in the 80s were like, well, this is somebody on the spectrum today. This is somebody who's like hyper focused on specific things, whether they are collections or topics or subjects to the point that they can't get. Get sometimes out of their own. It becomes a personality trope or it gets in the way of their social acceptance around everybody else.

[C]

But they could still be somewhat put together somehow. They could, they could have a tucked in shirt.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[C]

Three little pins. And their hair is nicely.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's like, oh God, that little.

[A]

Little bit of it on the OCD spectrum as well.

[C]

Yeah. I can't go out on weekdays and then too late on a weekday. That's.

[A]

I think a geek is kind of like a nerd with 8080 HD. A geek is kind of like a geek because a geek can kind of be cool. You know what I mean? Can be funny. I think, I think it's so cool.

[C]

Geek.

[A]

It's either that or the geek is like solo status that like they are just a social pariah. You don't want to be around them. But I don't know, know a geek, a geek felt.

[C]

A nerd felt like a class. A class student.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And a geek, a geek felt like a insult. Like, you geek.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or like felt very different than, no, you don't want to hang out with him.

[A]

He's.

[C]

He's one of those nerds.

[A]

But I, I guess what I'm trying to say is like, maybe geek has just gotten like a better association over time because it's like, see, I think be like, oh, I really nerd has. I think, like, I think both of.

[B]

Them want to be a nerd now.

[C]

There are people who like, oh, I like that. I like nerd energy. That's hot.

[A]

Yeah. We're like, I really geek out over this. This is really cool. You know what I mean?

[C]

That's true. That, that as a. I. I guess.

[A]

What I was trying to think like a geek might be like one of the uncool heavy metal kids, you know, where they have talent, they have a thing, but they're sort of unappreciated by the society that they're in. And they have sort of an intersection between nerd and dork.

[C]

Okay. And a dweeb is kind of a dork.

[A]

A dweeb. A dweeb is a dorky nerd.

[C]

We gotta.

[A]

And a doofus is just a dumb, dumb. A doofus.

[B]

This would be an excellent PowerPoint decision.

[C]

A jock is temporary. It's temporary because it's like, oh, dude, you're. You Doofus is usually a. Is like, dude, in that class, you acted like a doofus. Yeah, it's. You rarely are you a doofus for your entire high school career.

[A]

Yes, it's true. You have a moment.

[C]

Like, no, he showed up at the party in red and everybody was wearing blue.

[A]

Doofus. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Little clueless. Momentary lapses of clueless.

[C]

Yes. You can recover from doofus.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You can't recover from. From dweeb.

[A]

No.

[B]

This is like an anthropological breakdown of the 1980s.

[A]

Okay. We've done. We've done days. We've done dwee weebs. What's next?

[C]

I, like, we jumped from a very heavy conversation about my grandmother and my shift in, like, paranormal acceptance.

[A]

What are the classifications? Whatever. Dorks.

[C]

Yeah, we hopped on that so fast. We were like, okay, yeah, we'll break it down. We'll break it down.

[A]

All right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back, we're gonna do some more classifications with the game that we like to play. See you soon.

[B]

In a minute.

[A]

Yes, you dorks.

[C]

Doofuses.

[A]

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[C]

Yes.

[A]

We have a game that you've played before, but it's got a little bit of a Halloween twist. I'm going to run down a list of phenomena. If you're open to it, you're going to say treat. If you're not open to it and you think someone's pulling a fast one on you, you're gonna say trick. This is a game that we are calling Trick or treat. All right, Ryan, Gall on your.

[C]

And there's no discussion. Again, we can go back at the end. Okay.

[A]

Go back at the end.

[B]

How's the house? Just hitting them.

[A]

Yeah. Hit it, hit it, hit it, hit it. Yeah.

[C]

Trick I'm not okay with. Okay, okay.

[A]

Yes. On your mark. Get set. Ghosts.

[C]

Treat.

[A]

Bigfoot trick. UFOs treat.

[C]

Mothman trick.

[A]

ESP.

[C]

Treat.

[A]

Chupacabra.

[C]

Treatment.

[A]

Oh, wait a minute. This isn't my Halloween list. I pulled up the wrong one. Hang Tight. All right. This is feeling very familiar, very normal. I copied and pasted it from an old template. Let's talk about Chupacabra. You like Chupacabra, huh? Well, here's a little bit while I'm doing this.

[C]

I think Chupacabra is it. There is something, I mean, I don't, I, I think it's a, some sort of species that is really, really knows how to blend in and hide itself. And when it's hungry, it goes nuts. But it's probably, you know, like some sort of cave dwelling species that we're not aware of.

[A]

But Bigfoot. Well, yeah, we'll get into it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, we're back on the right track here. Here we go. Witches.

[C]

Treat.

[A]

Werewolves trick. Vampires trick. Lake monsters treat. Haunted dolls.

[C]

Trick.

[A]

Ouija boards trick. Curses treat.

[C]

Love to come back though.

[A]

Stigmata.

[C]

Trick.

[A]

Black cats are bad luck.

[C]

Treat.

[A]

Candied apples treat. All the way, baby. Chupacabra. We've said it.

[C]

Forgot.

[B]

Checking again, checking again.

[A]

Shape shifters.

[C]

What if I said trick? Yeah, trick.

[A]

Banshees.

[C]

Can you remind me?

[A]

A banshee comes from Irish folklore, but it's a ghost. And basically they will appear and wail to let you know that somebody in the family is about to die. It's usually an omen of death. Okay.

[C]

With a hearty trick on that one.

[A]

Phantom hitchhikers.

[C]

That's a trick for me.

[A]

Demons trick, the devil trick. The afterlife treat. Okay, there you go. Well done.

[C]

Pretty weird.

[A]

Let's go to curses.

[C]

Curses. See, I, I, it's probably a weird take on them, but I think people who are susceptible to curses, they will affect them if they hear them and they will manifest them. I know that sounds weird kind of self fulfilling prophecy. I think it's more on the, the cur than the cursor.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

On whether, whether or not it's effective.

[B]

It's a flip of what you were talking about before. It's that intentionality thing. It's the, you know, I mean there's like, you know, there is the whole like the secret, like manifesting a Lambo or whatever, but the manifesting thing in reality is totally real. Like your thoughts become your speech, become your action, become your life. Like.

[C]

Exactly. And when a good, when an effective somebody who's cursing somebody is good at it, I think they can manipulate somebody into believing this is going to happen. And I'm going to make you think about it.

[A]

It's like a psych out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, I get it.

[C]

It's the same, same with black cats. I Think they're, like, in our lore so much that. That. That people see them and then they. They manifest bad luck. Because, I mean, that's.

[A]

Isn't that kind of what Oedipus rex is all about? Like, it's sort of like, oh, this prophecy that I'm gonna do this thing. I'm not gonna do it. And by, like, trying to avoid it, you end up doing it. Yeah, I did it.

[C]

I feel yucky.

[A]

I feel yucky. Now daddy's dead and mommy. Mommy's in my bed. So what's the problem? Bigfoot is just too big for you? Is that the thing? Like, it can't hide? You don't think it can hide Bigfoot?

[C]

Bigfoot's such a. Is there something out there? I don't. I don't know. I. I just believe if bigfoot was a real thing, there'd be more proof by now, I think. I don't even. Chupacabra feels like a more contained, you know, animals, like, in a specific area where it's sort of more remote to. To believe that Bigfoot, like, is hauling ass all over the Appalachian mountains in the north Pacific northwest. And I know there's a lot of open land all over the place.

[A]

A lot of caves, too.

[C]

A lot of caves. A lot of caves. And maybe they're very shy creatures.

[A]

I don't think they're shy. I think they're smart and they know stay away from us. If they're real, I mean.

[C]

Yeah, but then how have. How have we not found, like, Like, a lot of. A lot more footprints and. And poop?

[A]

You always got to bring it back to poop.

[C]

I'm hungry.

[A]

Going on a tour tour right now.

[C]

Or like, you know, or. Or, like, with. With all the technology we have now and drones and. And hunting cameras set up, I would think there'd be. There would be more. But that said, I'd be the first person to be very excited.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

Oh, the most excited.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I think that's. I would be. Do you think you'd be more excited to see bigfoot than you would a UFO or an alien?

[C]

Yes, because I believe I've already seen a UFO.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Not personally, but, like, on. I just believe UFOs are probably a real thing, and.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I just can't believe they haven't blown us up yet.

[A]

Great. I love it. Okay, we'll take a break when. When we come back, it's time for this week's terrifying tale from zombie Bigfoot's cryptic crypt. We're running long this week. Everybody get ready. Having a good time.

[C]

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[C]

Hold on.

[A]

Oh yeah. Oh, what do you got there?

[C]

Waterloo Sparkling peach water. You know, I had a Waterloo lately.

[A]

And I very much enjoyed it. It was raspberry good. Pretty good. I'm drinking a bubbly with some bitters in it. My favorite.

[B]

I got water in a jar.

[A]

Water in a jar, in a mason jar. A little tadpole swimming around.

[B]

Just jar.

[A]

Oh, what does it say?

[B]

It says erewhon. Oh, because if you give them back, they give you like $3. So. But then they just end up becoming my cup.

[C]

$50?

[A]

You have $60 worth of Erwan cups?

[B]

Basically.

[A]

Okay, it's time for this week's terrifying tale from zombie Bigfoot's cryptid crypt. Riley Ryan why do the foxes die?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

That was the headline of a February 19, 1970 edition of the Highgate Express, a local news rag from Highgate, a suburban area of North London. Foxes in the area had been turning up dead in Highgate Cemetery with their throats cut with deep lacerations. While some believe that the killers might be occult practitioners conducting black magic rituals, reports traveled across the cobblestones and dark alleyways and into the telephone wires of the British Psychic and Occult Society that a tall, dark, sinister force called the Highgate vampire was creeping among the headstones. One local man, Anthony Robinson, told reporters, I've never believed in anything like this. Now I'm sure there's something evil lurking in Highgate. Other eyewitnesses included a woman walking her dog near the cemetery gates when she saw a tall, dark man with glaring eyes. This figure was also reportedly seen by a man who Contacted the BPOS after a shadowy figure glamoured him into a lazy stupor before vanishing before his very eyes. Two local girls claimed they could see spirits rising from the graves while walking home one night past Highgate Cemetery. And the entity lurking among the bare plots became known as this Highgate vampire. Well, well, well, Would you look at that? It's almost been eight years and we've never done a single High Stranger segment devoted to vampires. Well, guess what? That all changes tonight. Break out your garlic, hang your crosses and gird your loins, because out of the cryptic crypt come real vampires. We're going to be looking back at some historical accounts like the Highgate Vampire that might have you thinking twice about the existence of reanimated blood sucking corpses. Stories of malevolent beings that feed upon a person's life force are almost as old as folklore itself. Just a few weeks back, in our episode about the Hat man with Matt Roller, we talked about incubus and succubi, demons that slip into your bedroom at night.

[B]

I like the skip in there.

[C]

They skip.

[A]

Didn't proofread this one, everybody. Let's see what wonders lie ahead. Slip into your bedroom at night and suck the life force from your lungs. The symbolic or demonic personification of nightmares and night terrors. It's easy to see how these figures are precursors to the modern vampire myth. After all, how many countless movies have we watched the vampire slinking into a maiden's bedroom at night to have its way with her. There are also stories of flesh and blood consuming demons that can be traced back to ancient cultures. The Hebrew she demon, Lilith, who appears in the Talmud was, in some folkloric traditions, Adam's first wife, who was cast out of Eden for not listening to her husband. The name likely originates from the Persian demon called lltu, which are a class of blood sucking entities whose name roughly translates into night monsters. The word vampire most likely comes to us from Slavic languages and stories of the creature we've come to know and have. Excuse me, the creature we've come to know and been known to come over. Sorry, I stepped on my own joke and it bombed.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Who are you coming over? You're coming over a vampire because they're sexy. Scratch. It originated in Eastern Europe. I wrote that joke like in a Fury at like 3:30 this afternoon. Forgot about it. It just looks like a typo. And the stories of the creature we've come to know and been known to come over originated in Eastern Europe.

[B]

I get it now.

[A]

I get it. The second time a Thousand years ago in Bulgaria, a vampire would be considered the ghost of a dead individual whose spirit has returned to spread disease and devastation across the village. Or a community maybe created to explain actual diseases killing people in that community. Sometimes the spirit would be a reanimated corpse, which would then feed on blood. In the old world, vampires would often go after their immediate family members, neighbors, pets and livestock. Sort of a localized pestilence and famine all in one body. South Slavic traditions might consider digging up the body and staking it to be the best way to destroy one of these fiends, preferably a stake made of ash, hawthorn, or oak. Aspen was also considered to be strong against vampires because Christ's cross allegedly was built from an aspen tree, which I never knew. The stake to the chest was a good way of popping a bloated old vampire who had freshly gorged itself on blood. Sometimes the bodies of the research recently deceased would be buried face down so they would bite dirt. Or they were buried under heavy rocks so they couldn't climb out. Or with a scythe positioned over its neck, so if the undead attempted to rise, it would decapitate itself.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

I mean, smart. Yeah, that's very a team.

[B]

But imagine, like, burying your loved one.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Face down with rocks and blade over their head. They're like, well, good night.

[C]

I love you, rip.

[A]

Elizabeth, my darling, I shall place a scythe over you so you cannot rise and decapitate me and my new wife. Now, this next part is in all.

[B]

Caps, and there was definitely no crossover between you and her.

[A]

Yes, I definitely didn't murder you either. This next part is in all caps because it was an accident. I was like, I'm not going to go back and retype this. For hundreds of years, vampires were more akin to the zombies. Bloated, purplish, lumbering, reanimated corpses. It wasn't until the 18th century that they started to get sexy. Our more modern take on the vampire comes from a Novala, a novella, excuse me, simply called the vampyo, written in 1819 by John William Polidori, taken from the story told by Lord Bakke Byron as part of a contest among Polidori, Mary Shelley, Lord Byron and Percy Shelley, the same contest that produced the novel Frankenstein. The Vampire is the first work of vampire romanticism. British writer and educationalist Christopher Frayling said that the first story. It was the first story successfully to fuse the disparate elements of vampirism into a coherent literary genre. So it kind of takes the best of all vampire folklore and starts streamlining it into what we're gonna come to know today. By the end of the 19th century, we have Bram Stoker's Dracula. Still the most iconic work of romantic fiction about vampires to this day. Take that, Twilight. And within two generations of that, the Count had transitioned to the silver screen. The rest is pretty much history. But is there truth, any truth to vampirism? We've all heard stories about Vlad the Impaler being the inspiration for Dracula. Or Elizabeth Bathory, a Hungarian noblewoman who is rumored to have killed young maidens and bathed in their blood to stay young and beautiful. Also one of the handful of inspirations for slumber party mascot boy Bloody Mary. But neither were ever considered actual vampires. They were just kind of violent people that killed a lot. And I sidebarring here, I guess the closest it came to Vlad Dracul II Dracula from for eating people was that apparently he had a bunch of people staked and they're all like writhing on the stakes. And he set up a dinner table and had his like servants cut them apart while he ate. And so that's kind of where the, the myth of him eating the blood and the flesh come from. But apparently he also took bread and dipped bread into the blood and ate it as like a big fuck you to everybody. And that's, that's where we get that idea of Dracula. And that's what inspired, inspired Bram Stoker's Dracula. Dracula means son of the dragon, by the way, or son of the devil. His father was Dracul. And Dracula in Romanian is like son of the dragon, which is pretty badass.

[C]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

It's very scary. However, there are many compelling stories throughout history where people believed real vamp were terrorizing their local Communities. Communities. In 1591, a homemaker from Breslau, Poland named Wienericus sliced his own throat and died. In some Eastern European traditions, death by suicide was considered one of the causes of vampirism. So it may have been a shock, but not necessarily a surprise when Weinrichus allegedly returned from, from the dead and was spotted wandering around the village at night. Some people claimed he even climbed into their beds and held down their arms and legs. Wine. Riccius's body was exhumed and the locals claimed his skin was fresh looking and taut. He also bore a rose shaped mole on his foot, which they believe to be the mark of a witch. Just for having a mole on your foot. Weinrichus's body was buried under some gallows. However, that didn't work because his corpse or ghost returned and eventually the villagers dug up his body again, dismembered it, burned it and scattered the ashes into the river.

[C]

Smart.

[A]

That's how you get rid of a vampire. One year later, in 1592, in the not too distant city of Pench, an alderman by the name of Johannes Kunz was. This one's good. Johannes Kuntz was kicked in the dick by a lusty gelding so hard that he went delirious.

[B]

What a delicious.

[A]

We've all been there.

[C]

We've all been there.

[A]

This took place after a massive dinner party where Kuntz, a staunch Christian and wealthy man. Yeah, and a doofus, wanted to show off his horse to the local elite. He's like, I have a rather lusty gelding I'm going to show all of you. And then I guess it's hoof. The horseshoe on its hoof was loose. He's like, fix it well. Oh, God. Oh, my God. And he went. It injured him so poorly, he, like, was dying over the course of the next week, and he started to go delirious. And he kept saying, he was saying things like, woe is me. How do I burn? And am on. I am all on fire. So over the next few days, he began to rant and rave about how his soul was damned. And all of his friends and family members were like, maybe he's made a deal with the devil. Maybe he sold his soul. So while he lay in bed dying in front of his son, a black cat entered the room, jumped onto Kuntz's body and ripped his face to shreds.

[C]

Oh, my God. Insult to injury, anyway. I mean, how hard do you have to get kicked in the balls to go crazy? And then on top of it to have a cat go like that? Looks like a good guy to just rip the shreds. Oh, my God, what a week.

[A]

Yeah, well, can you blame Kuntz that after all that happened and he died, he rose from the grave. His vampiric form was deemed responsible for strange hoof prints seen in the snow. And there were claims he had sexually assaulted some of the women and even groped a vicar in. In his bedroom one night. After five months of terror, Kunz's body was dug up. According to the story, there was no sign of decomposition. And when his leg was cut by a blade, blood gushed forth. Kunze's body was quickly chopped up and burned. Good. This guy was like, rich, wealthy. He had an amazing life and then crashed and burned so hard, his whole reputation changed just because he got kicked in the dick by a horse.

[C]

It's so bad. And yet still. And still was able to rise from the dead and sexually assault. Like his village. Yeah, so it couldn't have been that horrible.

[A]

I'm just saying, his whole reputation now, years, centuries later, all we're talking about sounds like I got kicked in the dick by a horse and turned into a vampire.

[C]

Did you hear about what happened to Kunts?

[A]

Yeah. So good. In 1725, a Serbian peasant named Petar Blagovic. Blago. Excuse me. Blagojevich. Died from unknown causes. Now, not long after his death, a mysterious illness fell upon his village of Kissel Javo. Nine people died, but not before. And I. Originally I thought this was just some of the victims, but I went back to check. All nine of them claimed that Blagojevich visited their rooms at night and sat on their chests, sucking the life form out of them. Blochevit's own son claims that his father. Father knocked down, knocked on the door one night, asking to be let into his former home. And when the boy refused the the vampire attacked his son and drank blood from his neck. The boy's mother also claimed that her husband had visited her asking for shoes, and she apparently ran away. God, it's. Sorry. Call him Petar Blogo. Hey, Blogo.

[B]

Logo.

[A]

Blogo's body. His hair and nails had grown, but there was fresh blood in his mouth. The villager staked his heart and allegedly watched as blood spurted out from his chest and nostrils. From 1726 to 1717 32, a wave of vampirism allegedly plagued the town of Medevia in Serbia. It all started when a young Serbian soldier. Serbian soldier named Arnold Paoli returned home from Greece. He confided to his wife that he'd been attacked by a vampire while over there, but wasn't too concerned about any fallout from his encounter. He'd curd himself by eating sod oil from the vampire's grave and smearing himself with its blood. Not long after that, Paoli died after slipping from a wagon and breaking his neck. A real doofus move, if you ask me.

[B]

Truly total doofus.

[A]

Soon, Paoli was seen wandering around the village at night and visiting villagers in their dreams. Many of his victims would wake up feeling weak and drained. One by by one, these villagers started dropping like flies, with no apparent explanation or caught for cause of death. Paoli's grave was dug up where the people discovered that, quote, fresh blood had flowed from his eyes, nose, mouth and ears. That the shirt, the covering and the coffin were completely bloody, that the old nails on his hands and feet along with the skin had fallen off and that new ones had grown further, quote, his body was red, his hair, nails and beard had all grown again, and his corpse was doused in garlic and a stake was driven through his heart. However, the mysterious deaths continued on and off over the following six years. A massive investigation was undertaken. And those notes we just heard was part of that result, overseen by medical professionals and the military, which concluded that the cause of all of these deaths was indeed vampirism. And here's one of the. One of the reports, quote, they discovered at last, after much search, that the defunct Arnold Paulet had killed not only the four persons of whom we had spoken, but also several oxen of which the new vampire empires had eaten, and amongst others, the son of Milo. Upon these indications, they resolved to dissenter. All of those who had died within a certain time amongst 4017 were found with all the most evident signs of vampirism. So they transfixed their hearts and cut off their heads also. Then they cast their ashes into the river. All the information and executions we have just mentioned were made judicial in proper form and attested by several officers who were garrisoned in the country, by the chief surgeons of all the regiments and by the principal inhabitants of the place. The verbal process of it was sent towards the end of last January to the Imperial Council of War at Vienna, which had established a military commission to examine into the truth of all of these circumstances. This went straight to the top and they, the military and these surgeons, they stake some vampires.

[B]

Is this very official?

[A]

Very wild.

[C]

That is very wild, yeah.

[A]

Official, official.

[C]

It was recognized by the government.

[A]

They were like, this is what it is, they were vampires. And we had to chop off all these corpses heads.

[C]

What year was that?

[A]

This was in six year period, 1726 to 1732.

[C]

It's late enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Late where people should go, come on, guys. Well, it's probably not vampirism.

[A]

It's pretty wild, yeah. On April. Yeah. On April 12, 1922 in London, a man was walking down Coventry street when an unknown assailant grabbed him from behind and bit him in the neck. As he felt the sensation of his blood being drawn out, the man passed out and was and awoke hours later in Charing Cross Hospital, surrounded by a perplexed medical staff. That same night, two more men came into the hospital claiming they'd also been bitten on the neck and sporting the same neck wounds. A week or so before, an enormous bat had been seen flying around nearby West Drayton Church. Eyewitnesses claimed that the foul Creature plunged into the graveyard below where it vanished. This story, coupled with the sudden attacks led to hushed warnings of a vampire hunting on Coventry Street. No assailant was ever caught. However, there were rumors going around that the police had hired a vampire hunter who tracked the vampire down to Highgate Cemetery where he staked the monster in the chest. Which brings us back to the beginning of our story where in 1970 a vampire was said to be hiding in Highgate Cemetery in London. Mesmerizing men and devouring foxes. British Occult Society investigator David Farrant was skeptical that there was a vampire killing foxes. Yet after investigating the case and speaking to eyewitnesses, he concluded there was was indeed evidence to suggest that black magic practitioners or satanists and vampiric activity were taking place around Highgate. He denied being interviewed about the case, but a local eccentric bishop and self proclaimed exorcist, Sean Manchester, was all too happy to stand in front of television cameras and preach about the King vampire lurking in Highgate. Farrant described Manchester as a somewhat theatrical character who had been pestering local newspapers looking for publicity since he had first become aware of the investigation, claimed that the phenomenon was in fact king Vampire and after producing a crucifix and a homemade wooden stake, announced that to exorcise a vampire, one must first drive a stake through its heart with one blow, chop off its head with the gravedigger shovel and burn what remains. A day after Manchester proclaimed all of this to the press and said that he would be joining Ferrant on his vampire investigation, a posse of vampire hunting locals wielding gravedigger shovels showed up at Highgate Cemetery ready to destroy the monster. However, they all ran away when they saw something dark apparently crawling across the premises. One of the would be hunters, Anthony Robinson, who we quoted at the top of this story, said, I walked past the place and I heard a high pitched oh, excuse me. I walked past the place and heard a high pitched noise. Then I saw something gray moving slowly across the road. It terrified me. Over the next few weeks, the vampire activity seemed to die down. But then in August, two teenage girls made the gruesome discovery of an old woman's body that had been dragged out from a grave, staked and decapitated and left in the walkway. And another woman claimed that a tall, pale skinned figure dressed in a black cloak had thrown her to the ground. Police once again ramped up the investigation and David Farrant, worried about the escalation, decided it was time that he and the British Psychic Occult Society take action. According to Far out magazine. On August 17, 1970, Ferent and other society members entered the cemetery and walked to the site of the initial sighting. They drew a large circle upon the ground where they they. Which they sealed with protective symbols, salt and holy water. A second circle was adorned with burning candles and incense was laid around where the demon was expected to appear. No sooner had the seance commenced that human voices were heard in the distance. It was the police. The occult paraphernalia was quickly bundled together and Farrant made a dash for the nearest exit. Unfortunately, he was quickly spotted and arrested for occultism, for desecrating grave sites, for lighting candles and putting stuff around. They arrested him for it. He actually did some jail time for it, which is crazy. While the mystery of the Highgate vampire was never solved, Ferent would go on to other projects, like politics. In 1970, he ran in Hornsey as the sole candidate for his Wicca Workers Party, which advocated nudity, free sex, the restoration of the Wiccan creed, the establishment of state brothels, outlawing communism and leaving the EU common marketplace.

[B]

Wow, what a platform.

[A]

I was like, you have me. You have me. You're losing me. You're losing me. Oh, what now you're a fascist? What's happening?

[B]

He's like a libertarian.

[A]

Swear.

[B]

Who also wants state sanctions. State the state brothels.

[C]

The second one. The.

[B]

The Restoration of the Wiccan Creed. Nudity, free sex. Restoration of the Wiccan Creed.

[A]

Restoration of the Wiccan Creed.

[C]

Okay, you're a weirdo. You're a weirdo. Yeah, getting weirder.

[A]

Getting weirder.

[C]

Calm down.

[A]

Hey. Okay.

[B]

And the state should run the prostitution and we'll have no communists and we'll.

[C]

All eat pig shit every night for dessert.

[A]

Pig shit for all. He would later go on to publish a book about the Highgate vampire incident called beyond the Highgate Vampire. So there you have it, boys. Some strange but true stories of real vampires throughout history. While our brief dive into the vampiric history may have been bite sized, I think there's a lot here to sink your teeth into. What do you think, Ryan?

[C]

That was good stuff. You know, I don't. I gotta say, I not. I'm not well versed in the history of vampires, and I feel. I feel a little smarter now. That was. That was good.

[A]

Thanks. I think this is very, very. This is like, just scratching the surface. Like, oh, my God, is there.

[C]

A ton.

[A]

There is so much vampire lore out there, and there is so much vampire lore on the Internet. It's like. It's crazy.

[C]

Vampires, truly, you know, The. The pretty stuff, the romantic stuff, the sexy stuff about vampires is all like, sort of. That's the frosting. And really what, vampires are just undead that feed off of human blood and flesh?

[A]

Yeah, I think. And obviously I'm not a scholar here, but I think that the. I think the advent of romanticism mixed with, like, Victorian, like, repression just made for this great monster that turns into, like, a sexy man or a sexy woman to, like, turn you upside down, you know what I mean, and seduce.

[C]

You and then literally, like, neck you.

[A]

Yeah. You go across. You know, when you. When you get in league with a vampire, you are fully turning your back on society and all laws of Christianity and religion. You know, you become one of the undead, you feed off people, you kill you, and you live forever so you don't die. You're an unnatural being at that point, you know, but you still get to mix with society, which is also very thrilling and strange.

[C]

Forever.

[A]

Forever.

[C]

You get to mix.

[A]

Yeah, until you get staked in the heart. But, yeah, I think up until that point, they were more. Even though they had. There were. There were descriptions of vampires as being, like, fat and, like, peachy and, like, taut skin. There are stories of them looking. They sound more like zombies or ghosts for hundreds of years before. We kind of get. Get to them being like, you know, matinee idols.

[C]

Yeah, the green skin and the bloated.

[A]

They looked more like Nosferatu. You know, the original Nosferatu. You know what I mean? They really kind of had that more of a ghoulish feel about them. They were more like animals creeping through the night. Scare. They were scarier, I think, because they were more. More monsters.

[B]

What really sticks with me from this whole thing is just how much people were digging up and dismembering bodies. Yeah, there's a lot of.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I think it's just this, like, curiosity about, like, death and biology where they're like, oh, just dig them up, chop them up.

[A]

Couldn't error.

[C]

Yeah. Let's see. Hey, Reggie, cut his leg. See if it bleeds.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Like, they're just kind of like, poking it, like, experimenting. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Also. Also just, like, makes you realize how much proximity people had to dead bodies and graves back then. Like, you know, today we kind of have to go out of our way. I mean, you know, there's cemeteries not too far from here, but I can't just walk into a graveyard from my home. You know, it used to be everybody had a graveyard just outside your village. You know, it's just you were. You were much closer to the dead in so many respects. People died in the house. And I also think it's this. It's. It's an indication of how people couldn't let go even after people had died. You know, they have to, like, go dig up their body and see for themselves.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

The other thing is, too. Is there, like, you know, I looked this up when you. We were talking about the seven, you know, 1720s, that being, like, it's kind of like, late for this. But hand washing in hospitals was not a thing until, like, like 1847, 1853, kind of. That's when they started being like, perhaps we should wash our hands. And so it's like they just had, like, truly no understanding of, like, disease and plague and death was everywhere. So, like. And then they're digging up rotting corpses.

[A]

Yeah. Which is just, like, exposing themselves to more bacteria and.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Spreading fungus and further disease.

[A]

So.

[C]

And if they get, like, a bad feeling, they're like, well, chop off its head and we'll burn it and throw it in the river. Yeah, that was the. That was the solution. It's just like, burn it and throw it in the river. Like, 80, 80% of the time.

[B]

Most of life's problems can be solved.

[A]

Anything by burning in the river. And there's also, like, the idea that part of the inspiration for the vampire myth is also that, like, people were buried alive and people could be, you know, waking up in their coffin and banging and scratching and then maybe dug up later, and there's, like, scratch marks on the coffin because they didn't actually die, you know, and that's why I had the, you know, some graveyards. It had those, like, little strings with the bell so you could ring a bell above your grave if you woke up and were in a coffin.

[B]

Wait, really? I've never heard that.

[A]

Oh, you've not heard that they would install, like, a little doorbell. You can have a little doorbell installed. I don't think they were, like, super common. Yeah, but it would go through to. Into your coffin that you could ring it if you woke up. And you were like, what the. Where the am.

[C]

I imagine not going for that. When you buy your. If you have to buy your coffin before, and they're like, do you want one with the bell?

[B]

I want one with the bell.

[C]

Of course I want.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta.

[C]

You gotta pay the extra 60 bucks for the bell. Just in case. Peace of mind.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's nuts.

[A]

Yeah. Pretty fun. Fun stuff, though. So what do you guys think? Vampires. Trick or treat. Rye.

[C]

I still say it's trick, but I, you know, hearing. I think there's something especially in the. What you were talking about earlier on with probably what you're talking about, like the false death was probably a huge, huge thing before. It was like, you know, somebody could be snoring and they'd be like, time of death, you know, 5pm and just like probably they buried them in their bat. There was a. There wasn't any. Like, I mean, a lot of those graveyards were like family graveyards on property, like on a farm. They were just like, go put it next to grandpa. And I don't know if somebody was in a coma or if somebody had like stopped breathing temporarily and had a heart attack. They. They might just like throw him in a. In a well and forget about them. And then of course they're going to be green and gross looking when they crawl back out and go, like, what'd you do? I'm mad. I'm going to eat you.

[A]

Yeah, I think too, it's just like, also like grief must have been so different than, you know, you didn't have any form of counseling. It must have been so hardcore to see your half your town die of some weird disease. You have no television, you have no news. You're just left alone with like the village narrative and who might be turning into a vampire next. Like, so it's like this hysteria grows as well.

[C]

But there's no morgue. If, if it's the winter. You're putting them in your basement. Yeah. Just wrapped up until spring comes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Michael says the Sunday. The Sunday of the year.

[A]

That's right. Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

[C]

It's a Wednesday.

[A]

No, Wednesday of the year. Yeah. So there you go. I don't know. I love these stories. I. I definitely think that there are so are. And we know this to be true because of like vampire clubs and stuff. I'm also sure that like maybe the, the. That vampire guy in Coventry street was probably just like some freak biting people, you know what I mean? That was like acting like a vampire. I think there's people that's pro. Probably are setting out to do things like this and behave this way. So in a sense there are vampires, you know, But.

[C]

But I challenge you. You explain to me what happened to cunts. Because that man, that the week. That man had. Starting with a. A hoof. A hoof to the scrotum.

[A]

Worse. He. He had just had an awesome party.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was like, he's like bringing the mayor out to show him for his drunken boastfulness.

[B]

Let that be a lesson to you.

[C]

He got cocky. He got cocky.

[A]

Oh, I can think of some people I'd love to have be kicked in the nuts by lusty gelding.

[B]

A cocky old cunt you can think of.

[C]

It's one thing to get. It's one thing to get kicked in the nuts. It's another thing to get kicked in the nuts and you go delirious. That's like. Like I'm picturing it as just like a hoof going up into your body. Yeah, it must. It must have been a real good shot.

[A]

Unbelievable. Well, Ryan Gall, you done did it again.

[C]

Ghoul.

[A]

Thanks for being here, Brian. Ghoul, where can people find your ghoulishness?

[C]

It was a pleasure being here. You can find me on Instagram at Rygal. R Y G A U L. And yeah, if you're in la, come on down to a show at the Groundlings.

[A]

Great.

[C]

Fridays and Saturday nights. Oh, seven.

[A]

Fridays.

[C]

Seven, 7:30 and 9:30.

[A]

Someone is doing construction right outside my window.

[B]

This is the episode of crazy noises in the background.

[A]

I mean, someone is like sawing something.

[C]

It's a little late after dark.

[A]

Yeah, they're.

[C]

They're like trimming trees.

[A]

I don't know what they're building. Something. Cutting PVC pipe or something. I don't know. I'll close my window soon. Awesome, buddy. We love you. Next Ghost quest, you're gonna be there.

[C]

I'm in. Whether you want me there or not.

[A]

We'll let you know. We do. All right, buddy, talk to you soon.

[C]

Bye. Bye.

[B]

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We should tell them.

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[C]

I mean really.

[B]

We ran long, so.

[A]

We ran long. We had fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

Well, that one went a little Kermit.

[A]

Hey ho. Cryptic Crypt here. Cryptic Kermie here. Not bad. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, pretty good.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

Until then, good night and go get regressed. There's Nova making another entrance.

[B]

He is just on one tonight.

[A]

It is really loud because it sounded like there was like the Indy 500 going down the freeway away when I went to close the window. I don't know what the is happening.

[B]

It's weird.

[A]

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