"Strange Kentucky" w/ Nathan Isaac

Summary

Bigfoot Collectors Club

Episode: "Strange Kentucky" with Nathan Isaac

Date: March 5, 2025
Podcast by: Wood Elf Media
Guests: Nathan Isaac (co-creator of Penny Royal podcast)
Hosts: Michael McMillian, Riley Bray

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Overview

In this delightfully strange episode, Michael and Riley are joined by Nathan Isaac, creator and host of the acclaimed podcast Penny Royal, for a deep-dive into the shadowy, high-strangeness riddled, and curiously layered world of Somerset, Kentucky. Nathan shares colorful local legends, mind-bending UFO encounters, secret society intrigues, the infamous Kentucky Meat Shower, and his own journey from strict religious upbringing to chronicler of the weird. The conversation oscillates between laughter and awe as the crew attempts to piece together why Kentucky—especially Somerset—seems to be a paranormal "layer cake" of history, mystery, and magnetic oddities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Intro & Paranormal Banter

• [01:18] Michael kicks off the episode with their signature comedic banter, introducing Nathan Isaac: co-creator of Penny Royal, "purveyor of all things weird in Kentucky."
• [02:21] Nathan is welcomed as a friend of Steve Berg (paranormal regular) and set up as the guide to "weird Kentucky."

Five Star Club Scout of the Week

• [02:58] Riley highlights a humorous 5-star review from "Dog Knows Media":

  “5 stars, even though they refused to sell me any Bigfoot steaks.”

  Michael & Riley joke about black-market Bigfoot meat:

  "We got a toe guy, too." (Riley, 03:31)

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The Kentucky Meat Shower and Other Odd Precipitations

• [03:34] Michael brings up Penny Royal's coverage of the "Kentucky Meat Shower"—mysterious meat raining from the sky in the late 1800s.

  Nathan explains:

  “Meat just started falling out of the sky one day, and the family there...invited everybody over and tasted the meat. They said it tasted like mutton.” (Nathan, 03:52)

• Discussion of explanations:

  • Vultures vomiting en masse (Smithsonian's view)
  • Exotic theories: extraterrestrial meat ("star jelly")
  • Nathan reveals his alma mater, Transylvania University, holds the only known preserved sample of the meat shower (05:16).

  “They actually have a sample—the only known sample of the Kentucky Meat Shower—preserved in alcohol.” (Nathan, 05:59)

• Kentucky’s other "falls from the sky":

  • Frog rain in Somerset in the early 20th century (06:45)
  • Stories of cookie showers and other miscellaneous objects
  • Joking references to the Keebler elves and Magnolia's frog finale

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Nathan’s Own Paranormal Experience

• [09:10] Nathan shares his first direct UFO sighting, witnessed with Steve Berg and TV crew at the "Kentucky Anomaly" (an area with the highest geomagnetic spike in North America and many strange sightings).

  • The landowner claimed a glowing orb appears every five years at 9pm; Nathan and crew witness it on cue.
  • 14 people, cell phone footage, and collective astonishment:

    “We watched that thing fly all over the sky for 45 minutes...everybody screaming, ‘Oh my God!’” (Nathan, 12:07)

  • Afterward: "And then, you know, then we went to Buc-ee's and got some fudge." (Nathan, 12:42)

• Further weirdness:

  • The property owner claims other anomalies—Bigfoot, portals, giants, and odd archeological finds confirmed by newspaper clippings about a medieval armored skeleton.

  “Come to find out, I found the newspaper article…they found the bones of an individual…in Welsh armor.” (Nathan, 11:13)

• Emotional impact:

  “It was actually a very emotional experience...you can't explain it. Your mind can't wrap around what this possibly could be that you're seeing.” (Nathan, 14:14)

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Upbringing & Introduction to the Occult

• [15:01] Nathan’s childhood in rural, fire-and-brimstone Appalachian Kentucky, surrounded by stories of devils and hellfire.
• Exposure to religious fears led Nathan to seek out books and early internet resources on the occult:

  "If these people don't like this, there must be something good about it." (Nathan, 17:46)

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The High Strangeness of Somerset & The Magic of Place

• [22:16] Nathan moved to Somerset (Pulaski County), discovering a place cloaked in "idyllic" conservatism but rife with whispers of cults, political assassination, and rumor-mongered murders.

  • Example: Sheriff Sammy Catron, beloved local legend, assassinated at a fish fry. His call sign and helicopter (No. 111), became county iconography—including grocery store rides for children (24:36).
  • Secret societies: Somerset had as many as seven, including Freemasons, Odd Fellows, Lodges, with real monuments (pyramids, "All-Seeing Eye", etc.) dotting the town.

  “So he was supposedly...involved in a lot of darker stuff. Right. But loved! If I brought his name up, people would fucking shoot me for talking bad about him.” (Nathan, 25:10) “How many towns have a pyramid in the center of town?” (Nathan, 26:22)

• The town’s folklore:

  • Old money, generational intrigue, murder, rumors of baby-eating, classic small-town mythos, all centered on a stretch riddled with geological anomalies—heavy quartz, geomagnetic spikes, and violent crime.

  "It was like a layer cake of weird stuff...something about the place that seems to be spawning all of the phenomena." (Nathan, 28:38)

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Geology & Geomagnetism: The Kentucky Anomaly & The 37th Parallel

• [29:56] Discussion of the Kentucky Anomaly—a spike in geomagnetic readings, strong piezoelectric (quartz and magnetism) effects linked to mood, suicide, and violent behavior in studies.
  • Somerset is right on the “paranormal highway”: the 37th parallel.
• Nathan traces the geological “edge” from Hudson Valley through Somerset and Sedona to Alaska—a corridor of high weirdness (33:11):

  “There really is a clustering of strange places, strange events, and it cuts exactly through Somerset.” (Nathan, 32:00)

• Daniel Boone National Forest as a source of the region’s strangeness.

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Government Conspiracy & Legendary Crime at the Mine

• [35:31] Detailed story of the Mount Victory mine—focal point of the anomaly and local lore:

  • Ownership transferred through international con man “Mr. X” (Alexander Guterma), Spiro Agnew, to the U.S. government.
  • Guterma’s mysterious death before testifying in the JFK assassination investigation; ties to shadowy figures and CIA history.
  • Nathan recounts a bizarre night with a group filming a Penny Royal promo at the mine, accosted by a man selling snakes for Pentecostal churches (41:30).

  “He pulls this tarp back, and there’s all of these plastic tubs...and it’s full of snakes. Right? And the guy’s like, ‘Do you want to buy some snakes?’” (Nathan, 42:24)

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Cave Systems, Tunnel Lore & Subterranean Kentucky

• [44:29] Michael asks about the name "Penny Royal"—named after a region defined by the Pennyroyal Plateau, running from Mammoth Cave (world’s largest cave system) to Somerset.
• Mammoth Cave’s lore: birthplace of both Agartha legends and the beginnings of Lovecraftian horror.
  • Caves and “karst” landscape underpin many paranormal stories—people claim to see orbs (Indian lanterns), speculate on hidden worlds, and report Bigfoot and goblin sightings emerging from caves.
• Somerset’s vast system of mysterious brick tunnels: potential Civil War, freemason, and Cold War nuclear shelter constructions, further feeding speculation (50:10).

“In addition to the caves, it’s like there are these tunnel stories.” (Nathan, 51:28)

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Bigfoot, Satan’s Cave, & Backwoods Strangeness

• [51:57] Bigfoot lore: stories of rangers walling off "Satan’s Cave" (reportedly home to a cave-dwelling Bigfoot) under cover of "endangered bats."

  • “He lives in a cave down the road. [Rangers] walled him in there with bars…put a sign up about endangered bats.” (Nathan, 54:04)

• The Lake Cumberland area: Bigfoot tracks, casts, tales of crime and hidden bodies during its 1970s “houseboat town” heyday.

• Bizarre environmental finds:

  • Park ranger finds a 40-foot “pyramid” of trash, appliances, and a fresh cow head—deep in roadless forest (58:09).

• Daniel Boone's own alleged Bigfoot encounter—the “Yahoo,” possibly armored and shot dead by Boone (60:00).

  • Michael: "There are all these stories of Bigfoot being shot and then … hearing metal sounds."

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The Hopkinsville Goblin Case: Conjuring, CIA, and High Strangeness

• [63:28] Nathan discusses his take on the famous Hopkinsville Goblin case:

  • Points to a detailed report by investigator Isabel Davis, which reveals the Sutton family had just left a snake-handling tent revival and discussed a "little silver man" magazine hoax immediately before their sighting.
  • Suggests the event may have been influenced or even engineered by heightened collective psychology—or MKUltra-style dosing.
  • Raises an alternate theory: a U2 spy plane test crash, covered up by the “goblin” narrative, could account for the attention from CIA-affiliated stage magician John Mulholland.

  "That is one of the more plausible theories covering that whole thing that I’ve heard...it really does kind of track." (Riley, 71:16)

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Summary of Kentucky’s High Strangeness

• [72:02] The hosts recap the paranormal “layer cake”:
  • “Quartz deposit edge of an ancient continent. Gravity anomaly, magnetic anomaly, cult history, secret societies, murders, giant cave system, severed cow heads, pyramid…” (Riley, 72:30)
  • Nathan: “Don’t forget about the meat, guys.” (72:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We watched that thing fly all over the sky for 45 minutes...Everybody screaming, 'Oh my God!'"
  — Nathan Isaac, [12:07]
• "How many towns have a pyramid in the center of town?"
  — Nathan Isaac, [26:22]
• “It was like a layer cake of weird stuff... It’s something about the place that seems to be spawning all of the phenomena.”
  — Nathan Isaac, [28:38]
• "He pulls this tarp back, and there’s all of these plastic tubs... full of snakes. ‘Do you want to buy some snakes?’"
  — Nathan Isaac, [42:24]
• "There’s tons of stories of lights coming up out of the sinkholes. They’re called Indian lanterns here. They’re orbs, right? ...Supposedly they move through the cave systems."
  — Nathan Isaac, [48:55]
• "So Daniel Boone killed Bigfoot out there. You didn’t tell us the story, dude."
  — Michael McMillan, [60:00]
• “Don’t forget about the meat, guys. Don’t forget about the meat.”
  — Nathan Isaac, [72:17]

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Where to Find Nathan Isaac & Penny Royal

“Pennyroyal: Two seasons out on Spotify, Apple, all the podcasts. Third season’s coming out later this year. Also got a Patreon, Liminal Lodge—weekly livestreams about the research.” (Nathan, 72:30)

Hosts recommend the show as a true audio documentary—field recordings, interviews, original research.

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Final Takeaways

• This episode is a whirlwind of paranormal tales, Kentucky local color, high-voltage geology, and skeptical analysis.
• Nathan Isaac brings together layers of history, wild legend, real crime, and sincere mystery that turn Somerset and the Pennyroyal Plateau into one of America’s most oddly magnetic “windows” for anomalous phenomena.
• For listeners new to the Kentucky weirdness—this episode is a primer you won’t soon forget.

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 03:34 — "Kentucky Meat Shower" & other falls from the sky
• 09:10 — Nathan’s first UFO sighting at the Kentucky Anomaly
• 22:16 — Nathan’s move to Somerset and the beginning of Penny Royal
• 26:22 — Secret societies, Freemasons, and the town pyramid
• 29:56 — Geology, the Kentucky Anomaly, 37th parallel & piezoelectric effects
• 35:31 — Dark history: Mount Victory Mine, Mr. X, governmental conspiracy
• 41:30 — Snake man at the mine & local surrealism
• 44:29 — The truth behind "Penny Royal" and the Mammoth Cave system
• 50:10 — The tunnels beneath Somerset
• 51:57 — Bigfoot, Satan’s Cave, and boarded-up mysteries
• 58:09 — Park ranger’s trash pyramid and cow head story
• 60:00 — Daniel Boone’s Bigfoot encounter
• 63:28 — Hopkinsville Goblins: psychological, folkloric, or covert ops?
• 72:02 — Show wrap-up, final list of Kentucky weirdness

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Closing Thoughts

If you’re seeking a masterclass in “high strangeness” or simply want to see how a place’s land, culture, and secrets can generate a paranormal reputation, this episode is essential listening. Nathan Isaac’s blend of skepticism, humor, and deep research brings Kentucky’s weirdest stories to life—and might just leave you plotting a road trip down Route 37.

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“Go get regressed!”
— Michael McMillan, sign off

Transcript

[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Nathan Isaac]

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[Riley Bray]

It's Bigfoot Collectors Club with Michael and Ring. I know a story of highest rangess or two. Let's do this.

[Michael McMillan]

Hi. Well little little, little.

[Nathan Isaac]

Hi everybody.

[Michael McMillan]

Welcome to Bigfoot Collectors Club, the show where we talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history and share stories of high strangeness. I am your host, Michael McMillan. With me always is the necromancer of Nice.

[Riley Bray]

That's a good one. Riley Bray. Riley Bray.

[Michael McMillan]

Bringing kindness back from the dead. I appreciate it. That I love it was submitted by our friend and Patreon member W. Dave Keith. Thank you, Dave. Hello Dave.

[Nathan Isaac]

Dave. We love you, Dave.

[Michael McMillan]

We're going to get right into it because we have a very cool guest with some very cool mood lighting. If you're watching this right now over on the YouTube, he is the co creator and host of the podcast Pennyroyal and a purveyor of all things weird in Kentucky Club. Scouts of all timelines, please welcome to the show Nathan Isaac Nathan.

[Nathan Isaac]

Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show, man. I'm super excited.

[Michael McMillan]

We're so excited to have you here. You're a friend of Steve Berg and as we mentioned, anyone who's a friend of Steve Berg is a friend of ours. So it's so nice to meet you and have you. Now we're going to talk about all sorts of stuff. I want to talk about weird Kentucky, I want to talk about Penny Royale, your podcast and I want to talk about how you got into all of this. But before we do that, we have to nominate our five star club scout of the week. Riley, this is a friend of the show who's given us a five star review on Apple podcast. Why don't you nominate them now?

[Riley Bray]

Well, this is from Dog Knows Media. Just a great name right off the bat. And the title is BCC review. And the content of BCC review is 5 stars, even though they refused to sell me any Bigfoot steaks.

[Michael McMillan]

Fair enough. Dog Knows, we love you.

[Riley Bray]

The FDA has been really clamping down on that. And just talk to us. Just send us a private message. Dog Knows. We'll see if we can get those steaks to you.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, we have alternate ways of getting you those Bigfoot steaks. You just gotta know how to ask.

[Riley Bray]

We got a toe guy, too, that you talk to us to him.

[Michael McMillan]

Speaking of meat, Nathan, I was listening to your podcast, Penny Royal, and one of the stories that you talk about that comes out of Kentucky. I know we're going to get into your personal paranormal history here, but I have to mention this story from. I think it's the late 19th century about meat falling from the skies.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, man. The Kentucky Meat shower. Right. I don't know if people are familiar with that or not, but if people read Charles Fort or any Fortian phenomena, he mentions the meat shower. But it's a pretty famous thing, I guess. Olympia springs, like, around 1896 or late 1800s. Meat just started falling out of the sky one day, and the family there, they invited everybody over and tasted the meat. There's some. You know, they said it tasted like mutton, you know, like lamb and. Yeah, you know, it was one of those strange things that people are like, we're just tasting meat out of the sky. Of course, they thought that it was manna from heaven. Right, Right.

[Michael McMillan]

No, I think my other favorite theory is that it was. Do you want to talk about the planet?

[Nathan Isaac]

The.

[Michael McMillan]

The idea that it was meat from another planet.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, that's what. Sort of like the star jelly stuff, you know, that had fallen from somewhere else. The. The accepted view of this by the Smithsonian is that it was a group of vultures who all vomited at the same time. Right.

[Michael McMillan]

That's very plausible.

[Nathan Isaac]

Very plausible. So y. But the crazy thing, though, is I went to college at. In Lexington, Kentucky, at Transylvania University. Right. It's like Transylvania. You know, Kentucky used to be called Transylvania. Right. That was the.

[Michael McMillan]

Really?

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, this was the Transylvania Purchase. And it just means through the woods, but. Yeah, man. So I went to this little private college called Transvenia University, and it's the. It's like one of the oldest universities west of the sort of the East Coast. You know, it's like 1778, I think it was founded. So, like, very, very old, but they have A special collection where they keep all these weird, like medical devices and samples of stuff. And they actually have a sample. The only known sample of the Kentucky meat shower in preserved in alcohol. Right.

[Riley Bray]

Whoa.

[Michael McMillan]

What is it? What did it look like?

[Nathan Isaac]

I mean, it just looks like meat.

[Riley Bray]

Has that ever been like a DNA sampled or.

[Nathan Isaac]

I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

They should ruin the magic, guys.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, man. If you open it up, it'll. It'll change into something else.

[Michael McMillan]

I like the idea though, that it was. There were like some chunks of meat, but then there were also like thin snowflakes of meat coming down as well.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah. And I just weird tasted it. Right. That you. Well, that you would sample it then.

[Riley Bray]

Meat's coming from the sky. You're like, all right, we're eating that.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, why not?

[Michael McMillan]

You basically put everything to your mouth back then that you found in the woods. You know, you had to do the old, you know, but.

[Nathan Isaac]

But apparently there, you know, if you look at the falls from the sky, Kentucky has a ton. Here in Somerset, there was a fall of frogs in the 1920s, 1930s on this road, Highway 39. It was used to be part of the Great Warriors Way, which is like one of the oldest roads in America, you know, indigenous Native American road. So anyway, in that area there's some mounds, some Adena and Hopewell mounds from the Mississippian era. And that of all places is where falls from the sky. Right. Like another dimension. So they've had that there. Then there's even a fall of cookies in Kentucky. Hold on. Back the day. There's just a whole list of like strange things that have fallen. But it's funny too that like all.

[Michael McMillan]

Of that, the Keebler elves tree exploded and all of their fudge stripes fell out of the sky.

[Nathan Isaac]

Exploded. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But I mean, it's. It's funny that you hear all those stories back then, but you don't hear any falls now. It seems like, you know, occasionally there's a fish fall, right?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Right.

[Michael McMillan]

If there was a cookie shower, I would know about it and I would find it and I absolutely would eat those cookies. That's my go to dessert.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

With like the frog fall. Is any. Is the theory that like it was like a tornado sucked them up and they ran down or.

[Nathan Isaac]

That's what science says.

[Riley Bray]

All right, what do you say? You know, what do you say?

[Nathan Isaac]

I don't know. I mean, I. I think of those stories of like the out of place objects, you know, people that would have coins fall Like Poltergeist, right? A porting objects and so in my mind I always think of something like that. But there probably is a conventional reason why. But why frogs?

[Michael McMillan]

Why frog specifically? It's like magnolia.

[Riley Bray]

I know. I was wondering if that was the. The, you know, inspiration for that ending of Magnolia. Spoilers.

[Nathan Isaac]

Well, I mean there's. Yeah, yeah. You've ruined the story man.

[Riley Bray]

Look, you've had enough time to see Magnol, all right?

[Michael McMillan]

Like almost 30 years old now I feel like. So Nathan, how did you get into the realm of the paranormal? How? And, and have you had any experiences that you yourself cannot explain?

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, I had my first UFO experience with Steve actually Berg last year.

[Michael McMillan]

No way. Tell us about.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, so we had met a guy named Glenn Quiggins. He's become a pretty good friends about friend of ours now but he. The Daniel Boone National Forest is like a really strange place. It's right above the. What's called the Kentucky Anomaly. What's what NASA officially refers to it as, right, Is the Kentucky Anomaly and it's the highest spike of geomagnetism in North America, right? Whoa. Like that area Sedona and then there's a place in southern Alaska that also has this spike, right? And anyway on the other. It's the Daniel Boone National Force is right on top of this and on the other side of it is this guy's farm, Glenn Quiggins and he's been telling people that every for five years at 9 o' clock this UFO appears in the sky, right? And it's this like crazy glowing orb and then at 4 or 5am this triangle appears in the other part of the sky, right? Tons of Bigfoot sightings in this area. Just. He had a portal in a cave, right? Tells us that. So Steve and I are like we've got to go and see this, right? And like the first time I heard Glenn give a. In an interview he mentioned being part of an archeological dig like north of here in Berea where they found giant bones and where they found this Welsh armor on this body, right? And I was like there's no fucking way this is true. Right? This guy has to be full too good, right?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, totally. Too many things.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, it's too many things. It's like the. The UFOs. He's met Bigfoot. He thinks that his farm is the farm where Daniel Boone supposedly shot a Bigfoot. If you're not familiar with that story, like there's no get into that. But. But then he told that story about the giants and the the bones. And I was like, total. Come to find out, I found the newspaper article and they did find a. It wasn't a giant, but they found the bones of an individual that was larger than, you know, a Native American, probably European, in Welsh armor. And it was the University of North Carolina. Right? So. So he was totally telling the truth. Right.

[Michael McMillan]

Maybe he was like descendant of the Neanderthals from, you know, like out in Wales who got sucked up in a.

[Nathan Isaac]

Portal and popped out over Kentucky, dropped in pinnacles. It's a weird. I mean, it's a weird area, right? Yeah, but. But anyway, we. We. We went over to his house. We were like, are we really going to see ufo? And we had taken a TV crew with us and we're trying to shoot part of a TV show. And like, we'd gotten rained out. We were about to go home and we were packing up and the camera guy is like, there's a UFO in the sky, right? So, like, everybody runs outside. And sure enough, it was nine o' clock and that like, glowing orb popped up. There were 14 people in the crew. And. And like, we watched that thing fly all over the sky for 45 minutes. Like Steve and I did. All these people, you get. And we've got the cell phone footage and you can hear everybody screaming, you know, oh, my God. It was awesome. It was awesome. And then, you know, then we went to Buc EE's and got some fudge.

[Riley Bray]

As you do.

[Michael McMillan]

What do you do? What else do you do after 45 minutes? Well, guys, I guess we go to Buc ee's now.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Did you see the triangle? What was the.

[Nathan Isaac]

No, we didn't just. I mean, it was. It was red, green. It wasn't a plane. Right. I mean, the thing was like, it would zip down, zip over. I'm just all over the place. And then finally it just zipped away after about 45 minutes. And he's. He has a video of it. I'll send you the video where it's up in the air and a little orb flies out of it and it hits his power line and then electricity sparks up and down the power lines just outside his one. Dude, it is the craziest again, he said this and I was like, there's just no way this.

[Riley Bray]

You're like, come on.

[Nathan Isaac]

Right?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, but he's just fully. Just the most earnest, honest.

[Nathan Isaac]

He's like, yeah, totally, dude. We went and camped in the cave another time. Steve flew back in and. And we went and did that. So, I mean, that. But it was the first UFO I had never seen. As much as I've talked about all this stuff, researched it and I don't know, just, it was, it was really, it was actually a very emotional experience.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

I mean, everybody was really, you know.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

What did that feel like for you having, you know, been into this for so long?

[Nathan Isaac]

I know. I was, I was afraid I was going to be abducted later that night. Right. I had to drop Steve off at his Airbnb and drive home right in the dark. I'm not gonna make it, man. They're gon abduct me on the way home. But I don't know.

[Michael McMillan]

I would have been the same way.

[Nathan Isaac]

It just was like, I don't know, man.

[Michael McMillan]

Just.

[Nathan Isaac]

You can't explain it. You can't, your mind can't wrap around what this possibly could be that you're seeing. And I don't know, I think it felt good to have that many people part of the experience also, you know?

[Riley Bray]

Right.

[Nathan Isaac]

And it happening. But Steve was like, shot called it, man. He shot called it.

[Riley Bray]

Was it like that sort of just like, like sense of wonder, sense of smallness, Like.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. And that, it's not all, I mean.

[Riley Bray]

It really, that is so satisfying to be like, there it is finally right in front of me when all these people are seeing it simultaneously.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

So that was a good experience. So, yeah, man, I, I, I grew up in eastern Kentucky in like Appalachia, where I was like fire and brimstone preachers. You know, my parents were like Southern free will, Southern Baptists. And there was a lot of talk of the devil, you know, at church. Those guys were always like, I hope every one of you leaves this church and is killed in a car crash on the way home so that you go straight to heaven. Right. It's, it was that kind of like, oh boy, crazy mentality. Wow. And, and a lot of just weirdness.

[Michael McMillan]

Of Sheriff ever question that minister?

[Nathan Isaac]

Like. Right. They should have. Right. Small child. Right. Five years old, listening to some of that stuff anyway. But that, that kind of like Southern Baptist area with tons of religion, you know, everything was the devil. The devil was running around the woods, you know. Now we know that's pan. Right. But yeah, I came out of that and just a lot of stories of, of weird and then. And I've always just been into 40 and phenomena and research and all this stuff.

[Michael McMillan]

It wasn't really until. No, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Nathan Isaac]

It wasn't until I moved down here to Somerset that I really like, dove into as Much research as what eventually became Pennywirl. But just looking into this stuff as much as I have, you know, it's been. This place has kind of provoked that.

[Michael McMillan]

And as a kid, was it the fire and brimstone and the. There. There's devils out in the woods. Did that lead you to Bigfoot, or were you like. Well, I've heard about Bigfoot, and maybe it's one in the same. Like, what. What was that bridge exactly to get you into the paranormal section at the library?

[Nathan Isaac]

Oh, man, I don't know. Yeah, I think it was all the talk of, like, dead people, angels, demons. You know what I mean? There was a lot of the. The area where I'm from is where the vampire cult, the. The kids in the 90s ritualistically murdered everybody that was maybe 20 miles away. And so that was very pervasive, this idea.

[Michael McMillan]

And that was something that really happened, not just a satanic panic rumor.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, those were real murderers.

[Riley Bray]

That was like one of the events that kicked it off. Right. Like, that was like a very kind of big event in the whole satanic panic.

[Nathan Isaac]

Right, yeah. And they made movies about those. Those kids, teenagers that had done it. But. Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, I just think a lot of that stuff about demons. And, man, I was. I'm a child of, like, 1993, when the Internet was, like, at the library. I had to go to the library to get access to the Internet. And the first thing you were looking up was like, the Necronomicon. You know, I remember trying to. Trying to print out the Necronomicon, which wasn't really.

[Michael McMillan]

Is Evil Dead real question.

[Nathan Isaac]

Right. So. So there was definitely a heavy interest in the occult because of all of the religion that I was surrounded by that was like, oh, the occult's the devil. And it's like, if these people don't like this, there must be something good about it, right?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like, it drove you in the opposite direction. It sounds like they wanted you to head in.

[Riley Bray]

That sounds cool. Checking.

[Nathan Isaac]

Don't want me to do drugs. The drugs must be good, right?

[Michael McMillan]

All right, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to hear more about Nathan and we're Kentucky. I believe in miracles. Get out of bed, you nasty sheets.

[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, Somerset's the town and Somerset's Pulaski County.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, Pulaski County. I apologize. So you got down to Somerset and said that's when really things kicked off for you. What's happening in Somerset that things really grabbed your attention?

[Nathan Isaac]

Well, when I was down here, we moved. My wife is from here originally, but we. We moved down to Somerset. And, you know, I was living in Lexington, you know, college town, and then moved down here. And, like, there's nothing going on, right? But I was. I was driving to work and going through downtown, and there were these people that had these signs up right in front of the mayor's office that said, you know, you did it. And, like, I got back to my house and I was over at my neighbors, and I was like, who were all those protesters downtown, right? And they. They were like, that's the family of Linda And Cody, these two kids who were brutally murdered back in, like, 1994. Right? And I was like, what? And then they proceeded to tell me the neighbor did this crazy story about how there was a cult in this town and that they had murdered these two kids. And, like, it's just this crazy thing. And there's no cult here, by the way, but it was just the folklore, right? And I remember thinking I left and I thought, that's. That can't possibly be true, right? There's no way. And that set off me starting to look at this place, right? And. And that's the podcast, you know, the sort of subtitle to it is the Magic and Mystery of Place, right? And it's really like the. The looking at this place and trying to understand, like, where those stories came from, just kind of like, opened up this crazy can of worms of, like, unbelievable series of events that all crisscross in this one place of all places that seems totally normal, that is the bastion of, like, the Southern Republican stronghold is this county, right? How Rogers, who's one of the most, you know, powerful Republican senators, is from Somerset. And so it's. It's always been this, like, super conservative place. And this place where it was very, like, picket fences, there's no crime here. Everything's, you know, perfect, idyllic. But it's like, beneath that veneer is this, like, super up place. Like, the sheriff here in town, Sammy Catron, was assassinated at a fish fry. A sniper blew his head off. Right. At a fish fry. And they've made movies about this, too, you know, and it's like the guy.

[Michael McMillan]

Flew, like, Twin Peaks.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

Oh, dude, he flew around in a helicopter. He didn't have a Patrol car. He flew around in a helicopter. And he was so loved. He was like a king. And he was so loved that they built small replicas of his helicopter and put them out in front of the grocery stores where kids could put a quarter in and ride. And Sammy Catron's helicopter, it had. And it. And it was 111 and it was on the side. We found one for 400.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay. That is the weirdest thing I've heard.

[Nathan Isaac]

This is weird, dude. It's. And so he was supposedly. I don't want to be sued. Right. But supposedly involved in a lot of like, sort of darker stuff. Right. And, but loved if I brought his name up. People would fucking shoot me for talking bad about him. Right. But.

[Riley Bray]

Right.

[Nathan Isaac]

Possibly involved.

[Michael McMillan]

Don't come at us listeners in Somerset.

[Riley Bray]

Allegedly.

[Michael McMillan]

Alleged. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Nathan Isaac]

But, but, but, you know, I look at that guy and it's like his father was the police chief and he was assassinated right. While he was. Was on the job. And so like there were these weird like generational revolutions of recursions, I guess you would say, or reverberations of like strange things happening. Like the same type of murders. The guy that allegedly or people were telling me was involved with those murders built a pyramid in downtown Somerset with an all seeing eye and all of this crazy written around it. Okay. And like it's called the Great Seal Memorial. I mean how many towns have a pyramid in the center of town?

[Riley Bray]

Very like illuminated body.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. While they're like just mowing their lawns and they're, you know, painting their white picket fences. It's such a weird juxtaposition to have a pyramid.

[Riley Bray]

Are we talking.

[Nathan Isaac]

It's probably like 18ft tall or something like that. Substantial. Yeah, it's, it's he. It was 7. 1976. It was to commemorate the 200 year, you know, or whatever, 300 year anniversary of. Of the United Bicentennial. But he was a Freemason. And there's this. This is a freemason town. Somerset has one of the Oldest Lodges, Lodge 111. Which is weird because that's Sammy111. He was, he was a Freemason too. And he chose 111 as his call sign. Right.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Nathan Isaac]

And so the money from the National Freemason Fund was used to build the town. The first bank was a Freemason bank think. And like they're really proud of. Of you know, their Freemason. I'm not saying like that in, in it's any way connected to like what's going on Here. But. Right, right, sure, sure, sure. But. But definitely it's just one of those, like. Oh, at one point, there were seven secret societies here in town. You know, Odd Fellows, the Freemasons, a lot of knights, you know, they weren't.

[Michael McMillan]

Just that stuff, sitting around eating nachos, you know what I mean? Like, if you got seven secret societies, like, eventually one of them is gonna be like, should we pick a fight with one of these other societies? Should we? With these guys? Like, you know what I mean? Like.

[Nathan Isaac]

Right. I mean, they were all definitely. They were definitely doing behind closed doors, you know, you know, stuff like that. So anyway.

[Riley Bray]

But sort of the idea.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, exactly. Right. Secret society. Yeah, but. But the town just has a lot of that old. Sort of. Of the old history, old money. There were five or six families that sort of controlled the town. That's where the stories came from. It's just the. It's like a story as old as time, right. That there are these powerful families, they control the town somehow. They're involved in nefarious baby eating activities. Right. You know, I mean, like, that was kind of the story that came then.

[Michael McMillan]

The. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

Which was all. It was just. All right.

[Michael McMillan]

It's not folklore comes from all that.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah. And it does tie into, like, the satanic panic stuff, definitely. Right. But. But the town outside of all of that, though, like, it is a super weird place. And. And that's what I began to find was, you know, there's the local stuff, like Sammy Catrion and things. But then there was just all these. It was like a cast of characters that were unbelievable. Right? Places, events that I just couldn't. I couldn't explain easily that they all had occurred in the same place. It was like a layer cake of weird stuff. And it wasn't that any of it was connected. It was only connected through this place for the most part. And that's what I think, for me, that's what was so fascinating about it was like. It's something about the place that seems to be spawning all of the phenomena, you know, all of these. And I felt that it was. I still very much believe that it's the place that is. Is influencing all of these people. In a sense, they. They become actors in these psychodramas. Right. That seem to be embedded in the landscape, you know, and what is it.

[Michael McMillan]

About the landscape itself? I mean, it's a. A lot of magnetic properties. Properties. Minerals in the. Like. What. What are we talking about here? Why? How does the land affect everybody, do you think?

[Nathan Isaac]

I definitely think it's the. I mean, there. There are large deposits of quartz here, right? And so the quartz combined with the intense geomagnetism can create what's called the piezoelectric effect, right? And there are tons of studies about piezoelectric effect causing increases in violence, suicide, you know, mental illness. And that's something the area has just this. This crazy, like, history of violence and crime and really localized here. You know, Kentucky's not a particularly criminal place, but some extremely violent, heinous murders, crimes. You know, those. The murders of Linda and Cody that I was talking about? Those murders have been on the FBI's, like, unsolved list for a while too. You know, they've done some documentaries about. About that as well. But, man, when I was telling that story, I did coast to coast and told the story of the murders and got really. I got really nervous and. And laughed, laughed while I was telling the story about the kids being murdered. And people ate me alive, dude. They were like, this guy killed those kids, right? I was like. I was 12 years old.

[Michael McMillan]

Some of us get nervous when we laugh. My dad used to say that to me. He'd. I'd be in trouble and he'd, you know, be getting mad at me and I'd giggle and be like, do you think this is funny? I'm like, no, this is just the only reaction I can after this. I'm so scared. I was like, I'm not laughing because of the murders.

[Nathan Isaac]

But yeah, anyway.

[Michael McMillan]

No, it's fine. You can giggle along here.

[Nathan Isaac]

It's okay. So are we.

[Michael McMillan]

Is Somerset on, like, the 37th parallel? Are we. Are you getting any of that crazy, like, paranormal highway activity?

[Nathan Isaac]

We are on the. The 37th parallel, which is weird, you know, if that's, you know. Is there any truth to that? I don't know. I mean, there definitely is a clustering of. If you've read the book, you know, or seen any of. Of hit Chuck. What's his Chuck?

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, gosh, I can't remember Chuck's last name.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, Chuck Zukowski. Yeah. Who wrote that book. But I mean, it is strange. When you look at the 37th parallel, there really is a clustering of strange places, strange events, and it cuts exactly through Somerset, right? So it's like 37.00, whatever, you know, I mean, it's weird. I wonder. The thing that I found recently about this is, so where Somerset is and the. The Kentucky anomaly is located, if you look at the map, there's an old continent that. So North America is built out of Three different ancient continents that came together. And so it's called Laurentia is the main one. And the edge of it comes from the Hudson Valley down to Somerset, right to the Daniel Boone National Forest, and then cuts west along the 37th parallel to Sedona and then goes up to southern Alaska. And it's along that line. And it's all. There are quartz deposits all. And that's the thing, you know, Sedona has a ton of quartz. We have quartz here as it cuts up to the Hudson Valley through the Blue Ridge Mountains, you know, that's where.

[Michael McMillan]

The Hudson Valley is over. Weird place.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Brown Mountain lights, you know, are along that, too. So it's like that border which is exactly where the 37th parallel is, that's the southern edge of this continent that's kind of slammed, you know, into another one. I think there's something about. Cool, right? You know?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

I don't know. I don't think it's a coincidence, at least. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

So strange. So a couple things. Can you tell us exactly what. You kind of mentioned it in passing, but the Kentucky Anomaly is.

[Nathan Isaac]

Is what?

[Michael McMillan]

It's just that. That area, that. That land mass there, or what is it?

[Nathan Isaac]

Well, there's a. It's a part of the Daniel Boon National Forest, Right. And that's where the peak of it is. There are two little peaks and. Okay. It is, again, it's a part. An area where they can't explain. NASA back in 1982 did a series of.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, that's where, like, things go around, right?

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, there's a spike here, which. Some of these geomagnetic anomalies will cause the Van Allen Belts to kind of like, dip down to try to touch the surface of the Earth. And it's not like magnets or compasses are spinning or anything like that, you know, but just they have way higher than average reading of geomagnetism in this area because of something underneath the surface. Right. Cool. It also coincides with what's called the Kentucky Gravity High. So gravity is a little bit different here. Not enough to, like, you know, it's not like you're on a float or anything, you know, but it's like things are lighter here, you know, but it's still. Still a denser place. But I don't know. I mean, it's. It's. It's. That's a. That anomaly and Sedona and then southern Alaska, which. Southern Alaska. That area is exactly where the Black Pyramid stories come from vividity of the.

[Michael McMillan]

I don't think I've heard about the black pyramid.

[Nathan Isaac]

Linda Moulton Howe okay, yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Nathan Isaac]

Crazy as, right? Patch is crazy. You know, allegedly. There's.

[Michael McMillan]

Allegedly.

[Nathan Isaac]

You know, allegedly, they. She says that there's a black pyramid buried underneath the snow in southern Alaska, right? Okay. But I don't believe that. But there really is a gravity anomaly or electromagnetic anomaly up there. So.

[Riley Bray]

So.

[Nathan Isaac]

But I don't know. But. But this place, it kind of fans out from the Daniel B. National Forest. The actual center of the Kentucky anomaly is a mine that's called the Mount Victory mine, right? And like, of all the. Of the. The. All the shit that happened when I was looking at the Penny Royal stuff was that we had interviewed this woman named Pamela who told us there was a. A cult, right? Again, here was another woman. She was like, I was in a cult when I was a child, right? And I was like, you know, like, definitely I believe what she was saying because what she was saying evidenced some type of trauma, right? I didn't believe that there was a cult, but definitely that she had suffered some type of trauma and that, you know, she had imprinted this idea of the cult on it, right? And I was like, where. Where did this happen at? And she said, the Mount Victory mine. And I was like, I didn't even know there were mines in this area, right? So I Google that Mount Victory mine, and the first in, like, the top 10 results that pops up, it says, New York Times, Mr. X dies, right? And it's this story about a guy named Alexander Guterma who appeared in the United states in the 1950s out of nowhere and became like, one of the wealthiest men in America, committed the largest, largest stock fraud in U. S. History up until 1955, tried to overthrow the Dominican Republic and is named as a coke, right? And his name is a co conspirator in the JFK assassination, right? This article's talking about this. It says in 1973. I'm sorry, 1975, he purchased a mine in Somerset, Kentucky, called the Mount Victory Mine and moved his entire financial operation to Somerset. It, right? And I'm like, What the man, Mr. X, right?

[Riley Bray]

This dude sounds like an alien or something under cover.

[Nathan Isaac]

And then he bought the mind from a corrupt attorney here in town named Lester Burns and his business partner, Spiro.

[Michael McMillan]

Has there ever been a more corrupt attorney name than Lester Burns?

[Nathan Isaac]

They. They wrote a book about him because he. He represented some people who'd been murdered and he took the money from that had been stolen from the people that they'd been murdered for a million dollars. And he said, that's my fee. And the money. He washed the money. That's what he was. He ended up being convicted for literally washing the blood off the money that he was paid. Oh, right. They wrote a book called Dark and Bloody Ground about this guy. That guy owned the mine with Vice President Spiro Agnew. And the two of them. Yes, dude, this is all factual.

[Michael McMillan]

Mr. X and Spiro Agnew owned the mind together.

[Nathan Isaac]

That was so. So, so they sold it, right? The attorney in. Spiro Agnew sold it to Mr. X. Right, got it. But imagine how you're feeling right now, right? That's how I was, I was reading this, I was like, this can't be real, right?

[Michael McMillan]

This is the layer cake you're talking about where you're just like, how could this place get weirder? And I keep finding all this strange history.

[Riley Bray]

This white picket fence town. Yeah, yeah, dude. Stranger and stranger. Wait, so what's up with this mine? Like keep. Continue down this path here?

[Nathan Isaac]

So they had the mind from. He. He was here from 75 to 77. He died. He flies from Somerset in a private plane with his whole family to go watch the circus in downtown in New York, right? In Madison Square Gardens. And on the way to New York, his plane crashes, kills him and his whole family, and is investigated by the House Assassinations Committee that he. Because he was supposed to testify, right. They thought that he had been assassinated before he could. What's his name? Demorin Schilt, who is one of the main JFK conspirators that they looked at, is one of this guy's closest friends, right? Okay. And there's tons of like the JFK assassination runs through this whole story of Somerset because one of the senators that was on the Warren Commission, right, It's from Somerset, seven people on the Warren Commission. And one of them is, is from here, right? And, and so those guys knew each other. But anyway, there's the mine. He dies in 77. And then the federal government takes over the mine. And it's government property right now. I mean, you can go up there and, and see it. One of my favorite stories that has ever happened with this whole thing is that when the first season finished and I needed to do the promotions for it, I took like, I think there were 12 people that came with me because I wanted to shoot a promo of people in robes right at the mine. And I commissioned, I commissioned that. A giant well, six foot tall, pyramid of mirrors. Be Built by this guy, right? Built this for me.

[Riley Bray]

Awesome.

[Nathan Isaac]

So I got all these robes, and we went up there to the Mount Victory mine to shoot this. And it's night, and I had another podcaster with us. He drove my truck in between two trees accidentally, right? Because I had to film. I had to film the commercial. Oh, yeah, dude. I had to film. I was like, can you drive? And he was like, yeah, I can drive. He guns it in reverse, shoots it in between these two trees, right? I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Right?

[Riley Bray]

Right?

[Nathan Isaac]

So we're standing there, trying to get this truck dislodged from these two. These two trees right in the middle. I'm saying the mine is, like, 15 miles on a single, like, road that's just gravel that turns into dirt. And so, like, no one's back there. And there's. There's 12 people in purple robes. They're standing by this. This pyramid right on the side of the road. And It's. It's like 11 o', clock, headlights coming up the road, right?

[Riley Bray]

Oh, no.

[Nathan Isaac]

I'm like, oh, my God. So this truck pulls up, and this guy, he's like, y'. All. Y'.

[Michael McMillan]

All.

[Nathan Isaac]

Y' all need some help? And I was like, no, man, we're cool. Everything's all right. You know, just like, we're just getting my truck out. And he's like, all right. He drives up, and he turns around, and he comes back, and he parks. And I'm like, you know, like, what's. Like, all these people are in robes, you know, this looks really bad. It looks really weird.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

He gets out. He comes over, and he's like, watch. Oh, there's snakes over there. And we're like, dude, there's no snakes. The car drove over top of that spot. You know, he's like, come here. Come here. So he takes me over to his truck. It's this little S10, right? And he pulls this tarp back, and there's all of these plastic tubs. And he opens up one of the tubs, and it's full of snakes, right? And the guy's like, do you want to buy some snakes? Right?

[Michael McMillan]

And I'm like, what the is happening?

[Nathan Isaac]

You know? I was like, no, dude, no, no, we. I'm cool. He's like, all right. He's like, you need help getting out? I was like, no. I was like, I don't need steaks. Snakes. We're cool. Gets in. He drives off. Well, later I realized that he was out there catching snakes to sell to the Pentecostal Holy Roller Church. And he thought that we were a religious group.

[Riley Bray]

Of course he was like, these guys, they're gonna buy some snakes.

[Michael McMillan]

These guys need some snakes.

[Nathan Isaac]

That's so funny.

[Michael McMillan]

Wow, I love that so much. Enterprising young man. Sounds like. All right, when we come back, I want to hear about this Daniel Boone Bigfoot story. And then I want to hear some theories about the Kentucky goblins because I know you guys. Labor Day savings are happening right now at the Home Depot. So what are you working on?

[Nathan Isaac]

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[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

All right, we are with Nathan Isaac of Penny Royal. What's Penny Royal stand for? What does that.

[Nathan Isaac]

What's that?

[Michael McMillan]

Where does that name come from on the podcast?

[Nathan Isaac]

So this area of Kentucky from. From Mammoth Cave, like the western part of Kentucky. That's the. That's. Which is the largest cave in the world. Right. That runs all the way underneath Kentucky. From there to where Somerset is, is the Pennyroyal Plateau. And it's named after Penny Ryle, which. Or Penny Royal Tea. You've heard the Nirvana song. It's an herb that grows here that. That's used in abortions. Right. Native Americans used it for that. Right. And that's why pity royalty that lyric comes from. And then this area is called the Penny Royal Plateau. Anyway, it was perfect when I was like, oh, this is a great name because this is the region where all this shit's happening.

[Riley Bray]

You know, I was wondering if that was in reference with that Nirvana song and that makes sense.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's wild. So the Mammoth Cave. Okay, so I feel like the Mammoth Cave system is often pointed at as like, that's where it all comes from, brother. That's where Bigfoot comes from. That's where the goblins come from, you know, and you. You see, like, there's that, like, map that turns up a lot on the Internet that shows you, like, the cave systems under the. The United States. Then people go, that's like, what's. Give us the real lowdown on the Mammoth Cave system. What are your thoughts on it? Like, where have people taken it too far and where do you think? Like, we haven't gone far enough.

[Nathan Isaac]

Oh, man. I mean, it's definitely weird. The. The original stories of Agartha and like, an entrance to the inner Earth comes from mammoth cave. Right. H.P. lovecraft's first story is about Mammoth Cave. The thing in the cave. Right. So the beginning of horror, in a sense, starts in Mammoth Cave. They're modern fiction horror. Right. But it. I mean, it is weird. There's the cave wars, there's all kinds of strange. That's hot. The caves are haunted and like that. But they're heavily connected to the story of John Uriel Yuri Lloyd's Antidorpa, which is the story of the inner Earth with all the, like, mushrooms, the psychedelic.

[Michael McMillan]

The weird faceless being that. That you see that artwork, which is so cool.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

And so it's had a little bit of a influence on the season of Severance, if anybody's watching.

[Nathan Isaac]

Really?

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah. When they go out to this quick sidebar when they. I think it's like the fourth. Fourth or fifth episode when they're doing like the retreat in the. In the snowy forest and they talk about Keir Egin's history of coming to this place and, like, facing himself. There's a character called the Bride in this lore, and the artwork that they show looks a lot like some of that weird artwork from the Edadorpa story. And I'm like, they had to have. Because also the time period is right for Keir Egan. Like, I'm like, this has got to be some of this sort of turn of the century, early sci fi, weird, you know, spiritualist, sort of like self discovery, folklore, you know, it's. I'm like, this has to happen. I need to talk to the writers room. Somebody must have seen this. This stuff anyway.

[Nathan Isaac]

Wow.

[Riley Bray]

Makes sense.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't. See, I haven't started Severance yet. I'm getting ready.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, severance is great also, like, severance is all about the underworld because all the enies go down into an elevator or audis go down in the elevator and they become somebody else else. And there's a lot of parallels to the Orpheus myth, especially going on in this season. So I don't know. It's the best show on tv, maybe one of the best shows ever made. You should watch it.

[Nathan Isaac]

That's cool, man. Well, I mean, that's, that's definitely like the Mammoth Cave stuff really adds this like, subterranean element to the whole. The whole thing that's happening. Like all of Kentucky's lore, right. I think is driven by this idea of this subterranean sort of level, you know, beneath everything. The, The Kentucky goblins, obviously there's this, the connections that people draw that they went down into the caves there, they went underneath Kentucky and then popped up in Pikeville. Right. People were, you know, obviously people that watched Hellier or any of. Any of that stuff. I kind of have those stories. They connect it to the Hopkinsville goblin stuff. But I mean, it is weird. I mean, the caves are strange. This whole landscape underneath the Penny Roll is called Karst. And so it's just like tons and tons of flowing water. Sinkholes. One of the big things that when I interview people here, there are all these stories of lights coming up out of the sinkholes. They're called Indian lanterns here. Right. But they're basically. They're. They're orbs, right. And they go back down into the hole. Supposedly they move through the cave systems. You know, a lot of strange stories like that that are pretty freaky, you know.

[Riley Bray]

Know.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, but. But beneath us is the Sloan's Valley cave system. And it connects, it's believed to connect with Mammoth Cave. It's just, it's massive. You know, I mean, they're, they're. This is a world class caving and splunking area. There are people that come from all over the world. There's a specific entrance here in Pulaski county to go down into miles and miles of caves. And they have like a caving Thanksgiving where international cavers come every November. Yeah, Cavesgiving, dude. I hope they've. They've named it that. That'd be great. You know, but. But yeah, I just think it. But it also just adds to the. The mystique of. Of the things that have been happening in Kentucky. And kind of the idea of Kentucky is dark and bloody ground and. Yeah, I don't know. I just. To me, Mammoth Cave is really definitive of that. That there is this hidden sort of nature duplicate almost, or subterranean.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, and it ties right into the idea of Somerset being a city where like, there's something beneath. You know what I mean?

[Nathan Isaac]

The.

[Michael McMillan]

The idea of like, beneath all the veneers, this other darkness. And that is what A cave system underground is Right. How. Well, Sorry.

[Nathan Isaac]

Well, I was gonna say there's tons of cave or tons of tunnels underneath Somerset too. There's three types of tunnels. The. There's. There's some that connect to the nuclear bunkers. There's like a small nuclear bunker and a radio station in the bunker for. It's like the civilian. I forget what the actual name of it was, but it was like, in case of the bombs going off, people would go there and there's a. Emergency radio station to contact people. Right.

[Michael McMillan]

So there are those shelters down there.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Follow shelter, shade tunnels running through underneath.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, yeah. Civil War tunnels. There's all these articles in the newspaper where they were digging downtown and they just uncovered mystery tunnels. And it's like mystery tunnels discovered in downtown Somerset. They don't know who built those, right? But they're really nice, curved, perfect bricklaying, Right. But they don't know where they came from. And they're not in the record of the town, right? And so, like. So in addition to the caves, it's like. Like they're these tunnel stories. And it's just.

[Michael McMillan]

I think we know who made those tunnels. I think it was one of those seven secret society. Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Like, the tunnel boys are like, not us.

[Michael McMillan]

And are there stories of, like, the secret tunnel men?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Are there stories of Bigfoot coming in and out of these tunnels using. You know, because we hear stories about Bigfoot using the cave systems to traverse, you know, the landscape.

[Nathan Isaac]

One of the things when Steve. Steve Bird was with. With me and we were at Glenn Quiggins, we'd interviewed a guy here in Somerset at the Daniel Boone National Forest. And he's like a outdoor guide, you know, takes people everywhere. And he had a story about this cave called Satan's Cave. And it was. It was nearby, of course. It's called Satan's Cave.

[Michael McMillan]

Now. Listen, listen, y'.

[Nathan Isaac]

All.

[Michael McMillan]

Listen, y'.

[Nathan Isaac]

All.

[Michael McMillan]

I know there are a lot of caves here. We can name them anything we want to, but we gotta save one cave for Satan. Hey, y'.

[Nathan Isaac]

All. Satan's Cave. So they.

[Michael McMillan]

They belongs to Satan.

[Riley Bray]

Full of snakes.

[Nathan Isaac]

Full of snakes. Yeah. It's really snakes there. But they would leave food outside this cave, right? And the local people would supposedly. And something that lived in the cave would take.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, Satan's Uber eats.

[Nathan Isaac]

He's hungry.

[Michael McMillan]

Satan's doordash. Just leave it outside the cave for Satan.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, that's right.

[Nathan Isaac]

But they. They ended up putting bars on that cave, right? And they said it was because of endangered Bats. All right, so we're at Glenn Quiggins, right? He's telling us the story about his neighbor and that he's had Bigfoot on his property, right? And that's in the set, the Satan's Cave. In that whole area, there were all of these sightings of, of this Bigfoot that people kept reporting. And then so the guy was telling me, he's like, I think it lives in the cave. And I think they walled him in there, right? Or. And so we're talking to Glenn Quiggins and he's like, well, yeah, my neighbor had Bigfoot. He had a. Show me the picture too, of a handprint on the guy's window. It's this giant handprint, right? And he's like, bigfoot has been coming to this guy's house. He lives in a cave down the road. He said the Daniel Boone National Forest rangers, they walled him in there with bars. And I was like, what? And so apparently the guy was outside one day and these rangers, like six trucks come speeding by. They drive past this guy's property down to this cave, and about three hours later they fly back out. He goes down there and they've put these installed bars across the cave and put a sign up about endangered bats. And it was exactly the same story that Josh had told us about the cave over here in Pulaski County. And, and Glenn, Steve and I too are visibly like, holy, dude. This is, this is the same thing. But yeah, I mean there, there are tons of stories like that. There's a Bigfoot cast here in Somerset on Sinking Creek. Like, you know, there's the Lake Cumberland. This is, this is a lake town, right? We're on this really. It used to be the largest man made lake east of the Mississippi River. And so big boating place. I think that adds to the like weird crime veneer is that in the 50s, 60s and 70s, this was a resort town. So like picture Dirty Dancing, right? But like a lot of corrupt, powerful people coming down here for the summers. And it's the houseboat capital of the world. Almost all houseboats during the 1970s were manufactured in summer Kentucky, right?

[Riley Bray]

This is the weirdest town ever.

[Nathan Isaac]

Claim to fame, dude, you wanna, you.

[Riley Bray]

Wanna do some shady stuff too? You gotta do that on a houseboat.

[Michael McMillan]

On a houseboat. That's what I'm saying.

[Nathan Isaac]

It's like you've been thinking about 60s and the 70s. Of course they reflect killing people on houseboats, you know.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, I just got done making my fourth murder, but I mean, houseboat, come on down Pete's houseboats.

[Nathan Isaac]

Nothing weird going on here, but on Lake Cumberland, there. There have been these Bigfoot. The Thomas Shea North Kentucky Bigfoot organization, they came down, they cast it. So there's a bunch of. Like that. There's. There's tons of Bigfoot sightings. You know, there's a heavy. Like that. Daniel Boone National Forest has some of the craziest. All right, I got one more. I got another story I got to tell you just because.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, please keep them going.

[Nathan Isaac]

Absolutely bonkers, man.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

I didn't even write this one down. I was. I was like, I better write down. I don't want to forget anything, right? But talking about the Daniel Boone. So I. I really wanted to interview a park ranger, you know, and, like, people see black panthers here. That's the number one thing of all the people that interview. The number one thing reported is black panthers. And there are no melanistic black cats in North America, right? But people see them all the time. And so I was. I wanted to talk to park ranger to see if there had been any reported. And it's friend of mine, he. He was a park ranger, and I was like, so what's the strangest thing if you've seen anything strange out there? Because he goes for, like three, four days marking trees and camping, right? To. To do, like, forest removal, you know, and tree removal stuff. And so he won't come back for four days. He's just deep, deep camping. 70,000 acres of forest, I think. Or I'm sorry, 700,000 acres of forest. Oh, wow. Huge, huge forest. And so I said, have you ever seen anything strange? And he's like, no, I've never seen anything strange. I was like, you've been for four or five days at a time in these woods, and you've never fucking heard anything, seen anything. And this is like a very straight shooter, right? Very straight shooter. And he's like, no, never seen anything. He goes, well, there was this one time, he said, I had an intern with me, a high school student who was going to go in the forestry project, and we were about two days in hiking. He said, there are no roads, you know, and then this is. If you look at the maps, there's no way to build roads here in this area. I mean, it's just crazy, crazy terrain, like, very remote. And like, he said, he's back there with his kid, they're walking, and all of a sudden this clearing opens up, right? This big, huge clearing. And in the center of the clearing, and there are no roads. There's no way to even get a road back here. In the middle of this clearing is a giant 40 foot tall mountain of trash of like refrigerators, washers and dryers. Like just a giant thing of junk is just piled up. He said it was 40ft tall like a. And it was to a peak. And he said at the base of it was this old like 1950s truck with grass growing up in it. Okay. And he said on the hood of the car was the severed head of a cow. And there was blood, fresh blood running off the hood of the truck. Right? And he's like. And he said well the. The high school kids started to really freak out. And I was like what man?

[Michael McMillan]

What?

[Nathan Isaac]

That's the. What are you talking about? He said. And then you know, the kid's like we better go, we better go. He said that's when I saw a guy's leg move who was sleeping in the truck. Someone was like. He saw the foot drop down. He said immediately he grabbed the kid and took off. And I was like, like dude. He was like I don't even know. He's like it's deep in the forest. He's like there are zero roads. They couldn't have even driven that truck there. And I was like, you didn't think that was the strangest thing? I was surprised.

[Riley Bray]

That took prodding to get to, right? There was this one thing.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, dude. You know, so I mean there was a federal agent that was murdered in the Daniel Boone and hung from a tree tree that. That had fed spray paint. Like there's some drug dealing going on deep in the woods. So like this very well could have been trash pile of some drug. I'm just. There's no paranormal thing here. I'm just saying what a hell though I was.

[Michael McMillan]

For a minute there I thought I was like is Bigfoot building his own pyramid of junk out in the well.

[Riley Bray]

He didn't see what that sheriff and his helicopter was dropping that stuff off one.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, that's true. It was a helicopter.

[Riley Bray]

As my other thoughts building his trash pyramid.

[Michael McMillan]

So Daniel Boone killed Bigfoot out there. You didn't tell us the story, dude.

[Nathan Isaac]

There's this old story that. So Daniel Boone had a hunting station on the other side of the Daniel Boone forest. It's really why it's called the Daniel Boone Forest. And he and the. The long, long rifleman, right. That. That hunted back in the day. They supposedly were hunting in this area and they encountered what he called a yahoo. He referred to it as yahoo because of Gulliver's travels. Right. And apparently Daniel Boone was well read, right? He wasn't just like a redneck or anything or country bumpkin. He was well read. And so he. He referred to it as a yahoo. Supposedly, according to the journals in the story, it grabbed his son, who was like 14 at the time, and picked his son up, slammed him to the ground. Right. And supposedly Daniel Boone shot the thing right in the chest and he kills it. He kills the, the Bigfoot. And supposedly. And I don't know if I believe this part, I do think that there was an encounter because there's a reference to the encounter by people that were with him in their journals that they encountered some creature. Right. But other people have said that I'm sure the stories become conflated, but that they cut into the chest of this thing and it had a carapace, like layers of. Of bone or like armor underneath of it in its chest. Right. And he had, when he shot it, it had gone through where the, the art. Where it sort of pieces together and then made it. Made it through the, the piece. I don't know. But they said it was like turtle shell is how they referred to turtle shell covered with flesh, you know.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, what's weird about that is the. There are all these stories of like Bigfoot being shot and then like, you know, shrugging it off or shooting at them and hearing metal sounds, you know, something like metal. So I don't know. It's part of the high strangeness recipe for sure that you know.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

The mechanical aspects of Bigfoot as well.

[Nathan Isaac]

Steve and I, when we were at the cave at Glenn Quiggins farm, we. We slept in the cave overnight. Right. And the entire time we heard the samurai chatter outside.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Really?

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, we really. We heard that and there was a weird mechanical noise that we couldn't explain. And we were like deep.

[Michael McMillan]

The doors slamming and the weird like sounds like. Like weird screeching of metal and stuff or engines running.

[Nathan Isaac]

The engine sound was. And then we got. We have recordings of all of that stuff. Stuff. Now we didn't see anything but. But just outside the cave, Glenn supposedly encountered a Bigfoot. You know, he told us the whole story. He really believes that that cave, that. That area is where the altercation happened and it is near the official Daniel Boone hunting station. So his belief is that they were about four miles south of that and that's how they ended up in on this property. And it is really beautiful. It's a crazy looking cave. It's a really special place. And so like it's on private property. It's, it's very difficult to get to. I mean, like, Steve was cut all to pieces, bleeding. You know, like, we've got great footage of that.

[Michael McMillan]

Steve.

[Nathan Isaac]

That's deep, but, but it's, but it really is deep in the woods. So like, it's exactly the kind of place where you would find Bigfoot. That's what we said to Glenn. We were like, I mean, this looks like, like where you would encounter, you know, a big food. Wow. It was cool. It was a very cool place.

[Michael McMillan]

So finally, do you think you're, do you. What's the take on Hopkinsville for you? Do you think that it's connected to the caves or do you have an alternate theory to what that was all about?

[Nathan Isaac]

So have you guys ever read Isabel Davis's report on the Hopkinsville goblin case? She is, she was, was. She was one of J. Allen Hynek's investigators for the center for Studies. Right. It's called, I think it's called Incident at Incident at or close encounter at Kelly is what it's called. Okay. And, okay, this all rings a bell. It was written in 1978, but it's her notes from 19. What, this, this occurred in 55, so I think it was in 56 that. So a year later she was there, right? Interviewing people. And she, I mean, it's, it is like 150 page, very detailed report of the incident. And she's interviewed all the sheriffs, all these people. One of the interesting things you never hear about is that sheriff's deputy, before the incident happened, reported officially, and he was like three miles away at this diner there, reported officially that he saw a green fireball shoot through the sky. Right.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Nathan Isaac]

Back in 55, right about around the early 1950s, the federal government had a project called Project Twinkle where they were studying the green fireballs and there were like tons of them. Right.

[Michael McMillan]

We talked about this during Saucerama last summer.

[Nathan Isaac]

Did you really? Okay, yeah, yeah. So. So. So he sees that, right? And that's an official report. That's in his report now that's been used to say, well, what the family saw is what he saw. But this was like two hours earlier. Right. And he actually ends up being one of the people at the farmhouse. And you know, it's a strange story anyway because, you know, multiple police deputies, sheriffs, four guys from the local military base, they all show up, up, you know, that night after this gunfight breaks out and then end up leaving. So there's a ton of witnesses that there were, you Know, bullet holes in the place. But there's this. If you read her report, she points out that the family. Right. That they were the Suttons and Glenny. I forget what Glenn's last name is, but she's sort of the matriarch of the family, right? Yeah. And so they. They. They were all coming back from a revival, a tent revival at a Pentecostal Church of Holy Rollers with snake handlers. Okay. So, like a very heightened religious state of, like. You know what I mean? Like that they were in this situation, like, seeing all this crazy people are talking in tongues. They're being, you know, bitten by snakes. You know, a crazy, intense, emotional. Emotional situation. They leave that event. They leave that church, the tent revival, drive back to Kelly, and on the way, get into a discussion about a picture of a little silver man that was in a French magazine. It comes on the radio. There's a reference.

[Michael McMillan]

Whoa.

[Nathan Isaac]

And the family starts talking about it in the car. And Glenny has a magazine at home that has the picture in it. And they start arguing over this. Right. And it's a picture of a little silver man being held by two. Never ages. Have you ever seen this? So, like, the picture is. It's an April Fool's hoax. It was a hoax in a French magazine. Right. About a little silver spaceman.

[Riley Bray]

Sure.

[Nathan Isaac]

It's right after that, that conversation and coming from a Pentecostal Holy Roller event that they go home and have this encounter with these little metallic goblins. Right.

[Riley Bray]

That is bizarre. Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

And so, like, you see how it could. They're already in a heightened religious state. And they. Initially, people were like, well, there were 12 of them in all the accounts. There was only one instance where two were visible by witnesses at the same time. Right. There could have only been one or at the most, two. Right. So. So I think that's an interesting aspect of the case that. That there was this little silver man picture argument that I didn't.

[Michael McMillan]

So they almost, like, holy roll. Manifested whatever these beings were. Possibly.

[Nathan Isaac]

Possibly. Right. Conjured them somehow. So the other odd thing, supposedly, is that that John Mulholland, stage magician, who worked with the CIA a year after the event happened, he visited Hopkinsville, he visited Kelly and was asking questions of the family, supposedly at the behest of the CIA, about the event. Supposedly it's the only official investigation by the CIA of. Of an encounter. Right.

[Riley Bray]

Okay.

[Nathan Isaac]

And that's odd. He's the guy that wrote the deception manual. Right. For the CIA. And really interesting character. But again, he's a stage magician. Right. And he. And he even wrote an article about UFO hoaxes in the. In 1955. So that guy visits. He's associated with the MK Ultra program. The. The guy that was thrown out the window that Wormwood, this show was made about. I forget the guy's name, but in his wallet was. Was a business card of. Of this magician. Right? So, like, he's connected to Gottlieb, all those guys. Right. So I started wondering too, is it possible because MK Ultra started in 53, did they dose these people? Right. And I'm not saying at the farm. Did they dose them at a holy.

[Michael McMillan]

It would have done at the church.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah, because it's an easy place. Waste. They're drinking strychnine, Right. They're already seeing if they dose them. And then they had this happen, and then they were checking up to see the effects of it. Right?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

And a year later, how it had spread. Right. So. So, yeah, that's one thing. Here's the other thing that I came across.

[Riley Bray]

Interesting theory. Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

I got to. I got to. To write for a History Channel show a couple years ago, right. And Called Dark Marvels. And I was researching, for one of the episodes, I was writing about spy planes, about the U2 spy program. Right. And while I was researching it, I saw that, you know, that's Area 51 was created for the U2 spy program. Right. That's. That's really the original purpose there was. It wasn't UFOs, they were just Broom Lakes is where they were flying these things. And so in August. So this all happens, I think, August 22, 1955. Right. The U2 spy planes. Planes, Flights. Excuse me, test flights. They started in on August 1st and continued through August. And there were like some crashes when they were testing these things. Right. And so when I was reading that, and I was like, well, I should check the dates. And I thought, thought, what if what they saw crash on the back part of the property was actually a U2 spy plane? And the US government used this to cover up the crash.

[Michael McMillan]

Totally.

[Nathan Isaac]

And that's why Mahaland shows up a year later. He showed up to see if they were taught that they were talking about any of this stuff. Right? Right. Did the story take? Right. You know, like, did the Goblin story take. Did you know that these people saw this thing?

[Michael McMillan]

But really, let me tell you, it took.

[Riley Bray]

That is one of the more plausible theories covering that whole thing that I've heard. Actually. It really does kind of track. Actually. It all lines up and makes that weird, you know? Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

You Should.

[Nathan Isaac]

If you haven't read Isabel Davis's report, it's pretty cool. I mean, it's a. I need to read that into all this stuff.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, I mean, we still have, we, we've, we've come back to this case like we're doing tonight and you know, we talked to Geraldine Sutton's Sutton stiff and. But we haven't done like a deep dive return to the Hopkinsville case. So, like, I think that could be in the future for sure, Nathan. I mean, if we weren't interested in Kentucky before tonight, we definitely are now. So job well done.

[Riley Bray]

Quartz deposit edge of an ancient continent. Gravity anomaly, magnetic anomaly, cult history, secret societies, murders, giant cave system, severed cow heads, pyramid.

[Nathan Isaac]

Don't forget about the meat, guys. Don't forget about the meat.

[Riley Bray]

And of course it rained meat. Yeah, it's a lot of layers on that cake.

[Michael McMillan]

Nathan. Where can people find you and find pennyroyal and anything else you might, might be working on?

[Nathan Isaac]

So it's penny rolls. Two seasons of it are out on Spotify, you know, Apple, all the podcasts. Third season's coming out later this year and I've also got a Patreon liminal lodge if people want to see the re. You know, we do weekly live streams about the research, kind of like while I've been doing production on season three, so.

[Michael McMillan]

And let me tell you, I started listening to, to, to it and like, it's a full audio documentary. Like you're talking to like the gentleman who had the meteor stuff falling on his house. Like, you've, like he's out. Like it's. It's an audio documentary. You know what I mean? So you're putting a lot of work and a lot of research into this. This isn't just Nathan sitting down with a, you know, a seven page book report and reading it to you guys like, this is.

[Riley Bray]

This isn't this show.

[Michael McMillan]

It's not this show. Like, it's real. It's some real work and you're out in the field and you're talking to eyewitnesses. It's a really cool show. I cannot wait to continue this series. So I, I definitely urge everybody to go subscribe to it right now. So thank you so much, Nathan, man, it's been a blast. We'll definitely have to have you on the future and keep us posted about Strange Kentucky, please.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah.

[Nathan Isaac]

Thank you guys, man. Thanks again for having me on the show. It's awesome.

[Michael McMillan]

Oh, it's been a blast.

[Riley Bray]

Pleasure. Yeah, cheers, man.

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[Michael McMillan]

Wow. It's just the two of us now, isn't it?

[Riley Bray]

It sure is. We're back.

[Michael McMillan]

I had such a blast talking to Nathan. That was so great. That town sounds ins.

[Nathan Isaac]

Insane.

[Riley Bray]

Like truly like cinematically insane. Lynchianly insane.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Just thinking about the white picket fences and everything that resides underneath, you know.

[Michael McMillan]

Also I feel like that's what like actors should be called certif or cinematically insane, you know?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

All right, well, let's sign off. But before we do, we're going to swing by are our friends over at BCC the other side. And we're gonna say to those friends, thank you very much for joining the Patreon recently. Let's do some Patreon shout outs, shall we?

[Riley Bray]

Let's do it.

[Michael McMillan]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Riley Bray]

I watched that like 12 times. It's like all your little choices with a little pixelated. All the different Tanyas. Oh, man.

[Michael McMillan]

I downloaded a JCPenney catalog PDF from 1986.

[Riley Bray]

I was wondering what your source material was.

[Michael McMillan]

I was picking up my friend from his hotel and he got in the car and I'm just like, screen grabbing all these like, women in like 80s bathing suits.

[Riley Bray]

So good.

[Michael McMillan]

Like, don't worry about it. It's for my podcast. Trust me, it'll make sense one day. Oh, golly. All right, well, let's swing by the collector's corner before we head out. Riley, what do you reading, watching, consuming? Anything you want to plug? Any. Any attention Want to point our club scouts towards.

[Riley Bray]

Well, I'm late to the party, but I finally just watched what's it called? The Chalamet Dylan movie.

[Michael McMillan]

I'm still here. No, that's the original. What is it? A complete unknown.

[Riley Bray]

A complete unknown, man.

[Nathan Isaac]

Good.

[Riley Bray]

That's a good movie.

[Nathan Isaac]

Is it good? Yeah, it's really good.

[Riley Bray]

Did I. I'm a big fan of Chalamet, I gotta say. And he really nailed that role. And also I'm. I'm terrible with names, but the. The actress that did Joan Baez, like, phenomenal.

[Nathan Isaac]

Is that. What a performance. Oh, yes.

[Riley Bray]

I'm so mad at all this. But hold on.

[Michael McMillan]

I. I know her.

[Riley Bray]

You guys have Google.

[Michael McMillan]

She was in Crazy Ex Girlfriend.

[Riley Bray]

Was she really?

[Michael McMillan]

Yes, I think.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, wow.

[Michael McMillan]

She had like a. One of her first. First, like, guest star roles on that show. I was not in that episode. Let me see. Actress.

[Riley Bray]

She really nailed Joan Baez. That. She really captured her essence and the. The singing and the harmonizing and it's just a great performance. What a.

[Michael McMillan]

What an incredible Monica Barbaro.

[Riley Bray]

There it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

I've heard she's great in it and I've heard the movie's really good. James Mangold. I love James Mangold. Is he.

[Riley Bray]

He did Johnny Cash.

[Michael McMillan]

Yes. And he also directed the Dial of Death, Destiny, Indiana Jones, My souvenir mug I'm holding right here.

[Riley Bray]

The director.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah, he did Johnny Cash. He did. He did the Walk the Line.

[Riley Bray]

Yes.

[Nathan Isaac]

That's.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah. Okay.

[Michael McMillan]

That's what I thought he meant.

[Riley Bray]

So cool.

[Nathan Isaac]

He's great.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, right on. Well, yes, just so that's. That's the media I've most recently consumed and thoroughly enjoyed it. I was obsessed with Bob Dylan in college.

[Michael McMillan]

Like I can only imagine.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah. Little 19 year old Riley was. I bought the song book. I went down to the. The bookstore, bought the Bob Dylan songbook. Learned it back to back. You know, here I got like, you want to do.

[Michael McMillan]

You know what?

[Riley Bray]

I'm obsessed with show until I bought this guitar. Ooh.

[Michael McMillan]

I'm obsessed with that jacket, I have to say.

[Riley Bray]

Oh, thanks. This is from Named Collective Sparkly.

[Michael McMillan]

It looks great.

[Riley Bray]

This guitar is from the. From the 1940s still kicking around.

[Michael McMillan]

Really?

[Riley Bray]

Yeah. I bought it at the starving musician in UC Berkeley during my Bob Dylan obsessive era.

[Michael McMillan]

That's pretty cool guitar.

[Riley Bray]

Yeah, that's my. That's my show and tell.

[Michael McMillan]

Speaking of Oscar movies, I also late to the party. I watched Anora this weekend.

[Riley Bray]

Oh yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Which is fantastic. And obviously one best picture. I. It was like the one. I was like, I'm behind on all of them. I'll watch in Nora and hopefully it'll win a lot.

[Nathan Isaac]

And it did.

[Riley Bray]

It did.

[Michael McMillan]

Did you. Have you seen it yet?

[Riley Bray]

I have seen it.

[Michael McMillan]

I thought. Did you like it? I thought I was like. There were moments where I was like, I think Riley would. You don't like it.

[Nathan Isaac]

It.

[Michael McMillan]

I didn't like, didn't.

[Riley Bray]

I don't want to take a strong. Okay, here's the thing. I actually am a big fan of Shawn Baker. I love Starlet. I. I love Tangerine. I did. I liked Anora. I did like it. I not. I'm not going to publicly go on my whole rant about it here.

[Nathan Isaac]

We can go.

[Michael McMillan]

You can tell me off mic.

[Riley Bray]

I'll tell you about it. But you know what? It is a beautiful film. And the thing. My biggest takeaway from all of that is that a $6 million indie swept the Austin.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yes.

[Michael McMillan]

Which is great.

[Riley Bray]

Great rules.

[Michael McMillan]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

So that's great. Also flow the.

[Michael McMillan]

Yes.

[Riley Bray]

The animated movie.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Riley Bray]

Made in Blender. Like Beat Pixar with all of their proprietary software. So that's my biggest takeaway from. From the Oscars.

[Nathan Isaac]

Okay.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, we'll agree to disagree on it.

[Riley Bray]

I'm a big Sean Baker fan, I'll say that. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to talk any. It's a nice, it's a nice film. It really is.

[Michael McMillan]

I, I, I, I was pleasantly surprised by how funny it was and I loved the way it was shot and, and, I don't know, I really liked it. So check it out if you want, you know, find out if you're a Riley or a Michael.

[Riley Bray]

I'm not saying anything. I said nothing.

[Michael McMillan]

What else do we have to plug? You got any shows or anything coming up?

[Riley Bray]

Not nothing. Nothing important to speak.

[Michael McMillan]

Well, there's, there's stuff you're gonna be playing.

[Riley Bray]

There's gonna be, there's gonna be a Pussy Riot thing at the Museum of Contemporary Art in June.

[Nathan Isaac]

Oh, great.

[Riley Bray]

That's going to be really cool. That's cooking. Keep an eye out for that. There's, I've got other projects going, but, you know, nothing, nothing to plug. Just.

[Michael McMillan]

Okay.

[Riley Bray]

Just working away.

[Michael McMillan]

Sounds good.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

I want to thank everybody who's been picking up copies of my graphic novel adventure van over on my ebay shop. And I still have a couple sets of Lucid, my other comic book series left. And once those are gone, they're gone. So come over. There's a link in my bio if you want to check those out. I am, I'm doing doodles of cryptids and I'm signing them for you. And it's, it's very fun. So thanks to everybody who's been popping over there. Okay. One last thank you to Nathan for joining us on this adventure and what a ride it was. We are crossing over to the other side to make a special announcement that you'll not want to miss. It's a bonus, bonus drop over on the other side. Keep an eye out for that. It'll be out soon. If we don't see you over there, we will see you back here next week for an all new episode of bcc. Until then, good night and go get regressed.

[Riley Bray]

I want to go on a camping trip with, like. Don't you feel like you could just sit in the cave?

[Nathan Isaac]

Whiskey.

[Riley Bray]

With that guy I'm talking about.

[Nathan Isaac]

Yeah.

[Michael McMillan]

Pack a purple rope. Get them. I love it. I just don't want to buy any snakes and I, no offense to that guy. Bigfoot Collectors Club is produced and engineered by Riley Bray, an executive produced by Riley bray and Mike McMillan. Our theme song, come Alone is by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotus Pool Records. Follow Suneaters on Spotify for three bonus episodes every month and ad free episodes. Check out BCC the Other side at patreon.com bigfootcollectorsclub.

[Nathan Isaac]

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[Michael McMillan]

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[Nathan Isaac]

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[Riley Bray]

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