"The Vegetable Man" w/ Dayna Kathan

Summary

Bigfoot Collectors Club
Episode: "The Vegetable Man" w/ Dayna Kathan
Date: April 1, 2026
Host: Wood Elf Media
Guests: Dayna Kathan (Disrespectfully podcast co-host), Michael McMillian, Riley Bray

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Episode Overview

This energetic April Fool’s episode brings comedian and podcaster Dayna Kathan into the BCC Clubhouse for a wide-ranging and riotously weird deep dive into personal paranormal experiences, skeptical musings, haunted childhoods, empathy and mediumship, and the high strangeness of West Virginia’s almost-forgotten cryptid, the Vegetable Man. As always, hosts Michael McMillian and Riley Bray keep things playful, authentic, and candid, blending pop-culture commentary, personal stories, and original high-strangeness reporting in BCC’s signature style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Clubhouse Banter, April Fool’s, & Bigfoot Smut (00:36–08:45)

• Warm Welcome & Guest Introduction

  • Michael and Riley banter about assembling the show on the fly, with Michael jokingly dubbing Riley "the pool cob goblin."
  • [02:18] Dayna arrives; the hosts poke fun at delayed invitations, with Dayna joking that being ghosted by BCC was “a little paranormal.”

• Bigfoot as a Couch-Surfer Boyfriend

  • Dayna shares a viral list ranking whimsical creatures by datability; Bigfoot scores low for seeming emotionally unavailable and likely to overstay his welcome.
  • Michael riffs: “Bigfoot’s a bit of a nomad, but I could see him getting in a relationship and immediately being like, this is a great place. I’m just gonna use this relationship so I have a couch to sleep on.” [03:25]

• Monster Erotica, Minotaurs, and "Morning Glory Milking Farm"

  • Playful discussion of Michael’s fiancée's interest in "fairy smut." Michael buys her a tongue-in-cheek (or more) monster romance novel about minotaur “milking.”
  • Dayna confesses: “Is that the horse man?” Michael: “That’s a centaur. Minotaur has the head of a bull, body of a man.” [05:19–05:49]
  • Dayna: "I feel like that could be a hit in LA in terms of...the lighter caloric value of that Minotaur." [07:33]
  • They daydream about a trendy LA juice bar with “mystical creature” themed smoothies, including Minotaur jizz milkshakes.

• April Fool’s Day Chat

  • Michael outlines the holiday’s supposed origins, linking them to the switch from Julian to Gregorian calendars and ancient Roman Feast of Hilaria.
  • Dayna: “That’s one of my favorite things about you, Michael. You’re a wealth of random factoids.” [10:51]

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Personal Paranormal History – Haunted Childhoods, Family Ghosts, & Energy Work (16:06–53:03)

Dayna’s Paranormal Backstory (16:06–25:14)

• Dayna candidly discusses being a lifelong "haunted child" – a self-described empath and “lightworker medium.”
  • “Ghosts, entities, whatever you want to call them, tend to find their way to me. I am...a very paranormal person. I believe in all of it.” [16:06]
• Experiences span generations: Dayna’s mother had similar traits, as does her niece; the family history of witchiness is explored.
• First major haunting aged 15 after moving into a new home where the previous owner died in hospice.

The Poltergeist and the Ghost Boy "Alex" (19:25–32:28)

• Dogs behaving frightened/nervous; objects moving, blinds opening, pots clanging.
• The infamous Ouija board incident: “It was like, ‘kill you, kill you, kill you,’ and...the planchette flew completely down our driveway.” [21:33]
• Two principal entities:
  • The mean old lady (previous owner) – poltergeist-level activity, physical touch, ominous presence (“I swear to God, she raked my back with her nails.” [30:34])
  • "Alex" – a Victorian-era boy ghost, regularly spotted by Dayna: “Translucent skin, very, very pale black eyes...weird bowl cut, old timey outfit.” [27:19]
• Mother and sister both experience phenomena, including a night where storage bins in the closet fly across the room, and a “loudest humming you’ve ever heard” fills the house. [31:31]
• Sister’s reluctant ghostly encounter: “He won’t stop turning the fan on...” The notorious fan speeds up beyond maximum. [33:01]

Life as a Magnet for Weirdness / Adult Paranormal Encounters (35:35–53:03)

• Dayna’s sensitivity persists into adulthood: “Sometimes I hear it, but it sounds like...vibration has a sound...Mostly I feel it.” [35:35]

  • Friends witness her reactions; Dayna sometimes sees ghost children in mirrored walls or haunted houses.

• Poltergeist in apartment (2020): Cameras capture unexplained activity during a depressive episode; objects moving, TV turning on, “demonic growl,” incubus attack resulting in sleep paralysis and even levitation: “I fucking levitated...The feeling of coming off my bed and screaming...but there was no noise.” [42:52]

• A Reiki Master helps Dayna assert energetic boundaries; after bravely confronting the entity mid-attack, it never returns.

• Philosophies of energy: “The way they make you think they have power is through fear...Next time it happens, you have to...literally fly out of bed and yell at it.” [44:47]

• Dayna’s worldview: All living beings have “divine capabilities” on a spectrum, with old and new “souls” intermingling; depression or vulnerability can attract low-vibrational entities.

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Metaphysics, Life after Death, & Interdimensional Consciousness (49:15–55:26)

• Dayna and hosts delve into possible explanations:
  • Human experience viewed as “meat suit astronauts” riding through dimensions.
  • Echoes theories from Brian Weiss’s Many Lives, Many Masters.
  • Discussion of “simulation theory” and time as a nonlinear experience—“Everything we’ve ever experienced is happening right now in this moment.” [54:35]
  • Matrix/DMT/NDE references—reality is lower-res than the “other side.”
  • Michael: “Once we pass on...our consciousness up in the fifth dimension is like, ‘oh right, I was just Michael...And now I'm looking around and I remember.’” [51:32]

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Story of High Strangeness: The Vegetable Man (56:14–70:14)

• Cryptid Focus: The Vegetable Man of West Virginia—a rarely-discussed, plantlike cryptid, originally documented by UFO researcher Gray Barker.
  • Physical description: “7ft tall...bamboo thin, with pointed ears, long nose, three fingers with needle-tipped suction cups.” [56:28]
• Case details:
  • 1968, Jennings H. Fredericks (ex-Air Force, UFO buff) is attacked in the woods; Vegetable Man “sucks blood” through its fingertips, eyes changing from yellow to red; leaps away in 20ft bounds, leaving Fredericks humiliated, injured, and confused.
  • Years earlier, Fredericks’ mother, Iva, saw a small green being near a classic flying saucer, with a cable connecting it to the craft.
  • Michael narrates, Dayna reads the cryptid’s telepathic message to a human witness:

    “You need not fear me. I wish to communicate...I come in peace. I wish medical assistance. I need your help.” [60:01]

  • Barker’s mix of fabrication and folklore leaves the Vegetable Man’s reality ambiguous, celebrated today as a “one-hit weirdo” cryptid.
  • Dayna jokes: “Has anyone ever seen me running around Silver Lake drunk?...I don't know that [the Vegetable Man] was as otherworldly...I've done something similar!” [66:41]

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Lightning Round & Closing (70:20–73:20)

• BCC’s rapid-fire Believe It/Don’t Believe It game; Dayna’s answers:

  • Ghosts, UFOs, Loch Ness Monster, Bermuda Triangle, Tarot Cards, Manifestation, Chupacabra, Ouija Boards, Seeing the Future, Out-of-Body Experiences, Dog Man, Goat Man, Sheep Squatch, Bat Squatch, Life on Other Planets, Life After Death: “Believe it.”
  • Only Bigfoot gets a playful “no”—"It’s my game and I can answer what I want. You guys are silly geese about that." [72:03]

• Dayna’s Podcast Plug:

  • "Disrespectfully" with co-host Katie Maloney: “The ethos of the show was just living your most authentic life in an unapologetic way.” [73:01]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bigfoot as a Boyfriend:

  • Dayna: “She said no to Bigfoot because he's emotionally unavailable and would move in and never leave, like a couch surfer.” [03:02]

• Michael on Monster Erotica:

  • “I bought her a very, very trashy, smutty book about Minotaur cum specifically.” [04:32]

• Dayna Owns Her Paranormal Story:

  • “Now I just don’t care about being believed because I know what I’ve experienced.” [16:06]

• Paranormal Activity Escalates:

  • Dayna (on the levitation attack): “I fucking levitated… I remember the feeling of coming off my bed and screaming in the most…how loud I was screaming, but there was no noise.” [42:52]

• On the Vegetable Man’s Message:

  • [Dayna, in character voice] “You need not fear me. I wish to communicate…I wish medical assistance. I need your help.” [60:01]
  • Michael: “Wait, what? Medical assistance? What are you talking about?” [60:23]

• On Haunted Family Ties:

  • Michael: “There are things in this story where…you'll find out that people who have had a UFO encounter will have some kind of history of poltergeist activity in their family… This stuff seems to be generational at times.” [69:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:36 – Banter, Bigfoot smut, and Disrespectfully introduction
• 03:02 – Viral "Would You Date Bigfoot" discussion
• 04:32–07:33 – Monster erotica and LA wellness riff
• 08:45 – Origins and facts about April Fool’s Day
• 16:06 – Dayna’s personal paranormal history begins
• 21:33 – Dramatic Ouija board episode, poltergeist escalation
• 24:16–25:14 – Mother’s corroborating poltergeist experience
• 27:19 – Introduction of ghost boy "Alex"
• 31:31 – Loud humming ghost encounter
• 33:01 – Sister’s reluctant encounter with the ghost boy
• 35:35 – Adult life as an empath; seeing spirits in multiple locations
• 42:52 – Nighttime incubus attack, levitation experience
• 44:47 – Dayna’s advice for conquering low-vibration entities
• 49:15–55:26 – Philosophical discussion about consciousness, mortality, and the afterlife
• 56:14–70:14 – High Strangeness: The Vegetable Man cryptid story
• 66:41 – Dayna likens herself to the Vegetable Man
• 70:20 – “Believe It” lightning round
• 72:40 – Disrespectfully podcast plug

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Tone and Style

The tone is playful but candid, combining Dayna's self-effacing humor and sincerity with the hosts’ mix of skeptical inquiry and wide-eyed wonder. The conversation flows naturally between oddball comic bits, genuinely unsettling ghost stories, and earnest speculation about consciousness and the afterlife. The episode maintains the original, colloquial energy of the participants.

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For listeners seeking candid paranormal experiences, clubby banter, esoteric folklore, and lots of laughs, this episode delivers stellar BCC oddness—and maybe an idea for a Minotaur-themed milkshake pop-up.

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Transcript

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[B]

Dana. Hi guys.

[A]

Hi. I'm so happy to have you here. We've talked about you coming on the show for a while I thought you were avoiding me.

[B]

Honestly, at one point I was like, you keep saying it and then it's just not happening. And I was like, that's a little paranormal. You know that was. That was spooky.

[A]

Getting ghosted from the podcast. Yeah. No, but in the time since I've been delaying your appearance on the show. You've become, like a huge podcast personality yourself, so it's even now. Now you are really doing us a favor for coming on the show. We appreciate you.

[B]

I mean, I am honored. What are you talking about? Actually, can I tell you guys something real quick before we jump into your show that you planned? I just thought.

[A]

No, no, no, it's fine. This is where. This is your moment.

[B]

Now, this woman was ranking whimsical characters based on the likelihood that she would sleep with them or date them and, like, a combo of them. And I thought of you because Bigfoot was on the list, but she said no to Bigfoot because he's emotionally unavailable and he would move in and never leave, like a couch surfer. And I was like, you honestly nailed that.

[A]

Yeah, it's true. Because, you know, people assume that he, like, lives in a cave or some sort of cave system, is a bit of a. You know, he. He roams from town to town. Bigfoot's a bit of a nomad, but I could see Bigfoot getting in a relationship and immediately being like, this is a great place. I'm just gonna use this relationship so I have a couch to sleep on.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. But then you'd wake up one day and he'd just be gone, and he'd be gone with your goods and skincare products. Like, that's just the kind of time he is, you know?

[A]

And there's just, like, weird stains all over the apartment now, and you have to get rid of everything.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

I, you know, I've been teasing, talking about things that I keep teasing and then never follow through on. I've. I have written a chapter, but I have. I'm teasing. Writing some Bigfoot erotica. This has been a joke for the past six months. Juicy.

[B]

Why is it a joke? That sounds very serious to me, and you should be doing that.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you. I gotta write this show. It's taking up too much of my time.

[B]

Michael, do you ever, even ever talk to your bride? Because she reads fairy smut when she. The one time she reads her fun. It's like smut books.

[A]

I know. So the psychologist that I'm going to marry is very much into fairy smut. I bought her a very, very trashy, smutty book about Minotaur Come specifically.

[B]

Incredible.

[A]

It's called the Merry Minotaur Milking something. Hold on, let me see. I heard about it on TikTok or Instagram. Mary Milking Farm book. What is it? Morning Glory Milking Farm a monster bait romance. And I gave it to her, and she refused to read it. And I don't think it's any less smutty than the other romantic stuff that she reads, because she's told me it's really smutty. But I guess she draws a line in minotaurs. I don't know.

[B]

I think it was probably. Okay, wait. Also, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show my. My little silly goose card here. Is that the horse man?

[A]

That's a centaur. So close.

[B]

Okay, so this is going really well.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[A]

Yeah. Already. I don't know. You were right. So, no, centaur is head and torso of a man. Body of a horse.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Arms of a man, too, but then he's got four legs of a horse. A minotaur is the head of a bull. Body of a man.

[B]

Body of a man.

[A]

Yeah. So think of it in the old myth, right? Yeah, he. Yeah. So the minotaur was in the labyrinth that Jason and the Argonauts had to get into to go steal the Golden Fleece. And the minotaur, who looked like he's just basically a big, buff dude with a bull head.

[B]

Okay, that's surprising to me.

[A]

Maybe cloven feet.

[B]

It's surprising to me. She wouldn't get behind that. I mean, you are marrying a doctor, which is very exciting stuff. Congratulations, Kathleen. We talk about it all the time whenever we can, but I feel like could get behind any and all smut in that world. So I'm surprised that she. Maybe she's just being a contrarian.

[A]

I don't know. She said it was too much for her. All I know is still on the nose with the title and everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think it's supposed to be funny. But I, I, I will say, how graphic does everybody want me to get on this show right now?

[B]

Okay. I was going to ask you, babe. My podcast is called Disres. I'm like, go to full tilt. Tell me what you need to tell me.

[A]

Yeah, so. So the plot is. It's a. From what I understand, it's a milking farm, where for magical animals and the milk maid, there's a minotaur, and she has to milk his come. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And his come. I guess minotaur jizz tastes like milkshakes, and everyone gets into it.

[B]

And I bet.

[A]

And there's a heavy. There's a heavy. Will they, won't they in the book. I have not read it. I have not read it yet. I Bought it as a gift for the psychologist that I'm gonna marry again. I have not read it, but that's. That's all I know. As soon as I heard that's what the book was about, I bought it for her.

[B]

I feel like that would be.

[A]

That I don't think is her thing, but I'm just saying it felt. It was so insane that I was like, I bought this for you.

[B]

I feel like that could be a hit in LA in terms of also the lighter caloric value of. Of that Minotaur. Is that what you are calling it?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that. Yeah. Minotaur jizz. Yeah, the Erewhon Minotaur Shit.

[B]

So that's cool, but. Okay. Anyway, back to your Hailey Bibber.

[A]

Hailey Bieber's Minotaur. Just shake it, Erwan.

[B]

They're 100. It's. Don't give them ideas. They're going to do it. That's going to be the new collab.

[A]

Dana Riley, why don't we start our own mystical creatures milking farm? Well, why don't we start our own, like, special juice smoothie place where it's all as if you are drinking. Mystical creature come. Like all of the shakes have that ingredient in it.

[B]

I mean, we shouldn't talk about this on the pod because people are going to take the idea. It's a. You're sitting on a gold mine here.

[A]

But yeah, copyright the. Copyright disrespectfully in Bigfoot collectors club.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Crossover product. Yeah, figure that out. Well, everybody, I hope your children are listening to this episode. Dana, I'm so excited you're here because. Oh, this is April Fool's Day. By the way, Happy April Fool's, everybody, when this comes out.

[B]

Okay, I don't like April Fool's Day. I'm too gullible. And you guys seem like tricksters. Don't trick me. I didn't sign up for tricks.

[A]

We're not tricking. There will be no trickeries today. But you. You kind of answer my question. Have you ever been made an April Fool? Or have you ever made an April Fool?

[B]

I don't think I'm clever enough to make one. I wish that I had that in me, but I def. I'm. I'm so fucking gullible. You know when people, like put. It says goalball in the ceiling and they're like, look up and then you look and it's that. You know what I mean? Like, I always fell for that shit. Like one of these. Yeah, no, I fall for it all the time.

[A]

Where they like, point at your collarbone and then you look down and they hit you. What. Who invented that move? What's that move about?

[B]

I don't know. Someone that's really lonely, I imagine, because no one wants to be friends with them. Why do you do that?

[A]

Like a mean mime invented. Yeah, like a lonely kid who was like, I know how to get them. I'm gonna get their attention by poking them in the nose, making them look at their chest, and then poking them in the nose.

[B]

The Minotaur thing probably was one of those people, I would imagine.

[A]

The. The author is CM Naz Costa. So everybody look this up. I. But I. It got me wondering because I've never. I was like, where does April Fool's Day come from? And I. I found. So I did a little. I did a little fact searching. Does. Do you want to hear my little note card? Quick note card.

[B]

Teach me something on the.

[A]

Or on the origins. Now, I'm not tricking anybody with these facts. So it's. It goes back centuries, which I found amusing. Possibly back to 1582, when France switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar and the new New year's date became January 1st. The old one was April 1st, making you an April fool if you still used the old calendar. Because, you know, word. Word took a lot less, you know, a lot longer time to spread back then. So some people might be celebrating the new year on April 1st. They'd be like, Fool. We started three months ago, idiot. Wow. I didn't know.

[B]

I think it sounds believable. I also think that that's. That's one of my favorite things about you, Michael. You're a wealth of random factoids. Try watching a show or a movie with this person because you're gonna hear all of them. But I love it. I like, I want to know.

[A]

That makes me sound like the worst.

[B]

No, you're the best. You always know, like this.

[A]

Like a pop up video. Yeah. But also, Dana, you will stop and go, what is happening right now? Because Dana will come over with our other friend Raleigh and hang out with the psychologist that I'm gonna marry. And Dana will call on something or she'll. I like you because you ask a question. You don't. You don't pretend to know everything. People. I'm the type of person, the person at a party, I might, like, nod my head along and like, agree when someone says facts. And then I'll be like, I just pretended I knew that thing. And I didn't know that you would ask. You'd be like, hold up. What are you talking about?

[B]

Here's the thing. The psychologist you're going to marry and Raleigh, if anyone is listening from disrespectfully right now, they know both of those names. I've definitely talked about both of them a lot on my podcast. It pisses both of them off. And, like, the thing is, I really. When I say that, I'm, like, asking a question. Both. I can feel both of them rolling their eyes because they know you're going to answer and they know I have to ask it, but I can't not ask it because I know you're going to have an answer for me.

[A]

I appreciate that. I'm also now looking up and wondering. I thought we were in the Julian calendar and the Gregorian calendar was the old calendar. I think that's right.

[B]

I feel like I'm taking. So I must write like, I'd have never even heard these words before. You guys are so smart.

[A]

So let me just look this up. The Gregorian calendar. This was the calendar used in most parts of the world. It is. Okay. And it did start in 1582. So it's just a matter of, like, I don't know. I don't. This is the part I don't know. And I have to go back and look at the history of calendars. I do know that we add. I do know that's what happens when we try to give a couple fun facts about April.

[B]

No one ever has to go back and look at the history of calendars, by the way, again, that's just how your brain works. I love it.

[A]

But I do know that July is named after Julius Caesar and the Julian calendar is named after season, and the

[B]

best people are born that month, you know, so it makes sense.

[A]

Yeah. So I actually think it makes more sense to start a year in the spring. Same when everything new. And why start it in the middle of the year when everything's dying? I guess it has to do with, like, it's switching from. It's. It's setting the calendar to the, you know, the summer or the winter solstice, as opposed to the summer or the spring vernal equinox. Yeah. Ancient Rome celebrated the feats of Hilar, the feast of Hilaria, around this time of year. Hilaria also means joyful. It's where we get the term hilarious at the end of March. So April Fool's Day was also sort of a folk remembrance or a tradition carried down from ancient Rome that like, oh, we do have, like, a party around here. That is tied to the God of joy, you know, or like, whatever.

[B]

I mean, that's an actually the Feast of Hilarious factoid for me because every dinner that someone gets to enjoy with me is like the Feast of Hilaria. So now I'm going to use that. Like, that's perfect.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

And just be like, welcome to the Feast of Hilaria. And then just lay it on him. Final factoid. 18th century Britain is when it started becoming like a prank day in Scotland. People would go on a gawk hunt, which was sort of like a cuckoo bird or a mythical. It was kind of like snipe hunting in the south, where it's like, we're all gonna go on a go hunting a creature that doesn't really exist. And then on April 1, and then on April 2, which they called Tally Day, and I don't know what that means. People would play jokes and pranks. Sounds like an excuse to get drunk when it gets a little warmer out. I think that's all this is about.

[B]

Yeah, they had the Wiggles. That's all that is. They're just.

[A]

They did. They had the Wiggles. We have the Wiggles. And they were probably horny and they didn't know how to flirt, so they just nagged each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was kind of how they. How they got people's attention. Absolutely. You know. Okay. I guess we should take a break. Cause we're already 14 minutes into this episode. Strong start. Strong start. All right, we're on AD. We'll be right back with Dana Cavan, star of the show Feast of Hilaria herself. Dana.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

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[B]

I think that it's actually funny. I used to be a lot more close to the vest about this. Close to the vest, close to the chest. Who am I? I've gone back to the Gregorian calendar because I. I was sensitive about not being believed. And now I just don't care about being believed because I know what I've experienced. And I've actually had multiple people in my life experience it because I've experienced it. And I bring these things on all of this to say, yes, I was a very haunted child. I am still a very haunted person. I have had a Reiki master tell me that I am what is described as a lightworker, empath medium. So basically what that means is the veil is very thin, and I. Ghosts, entities, whatever you want to call them, tend to find their way to me. Like, they just see us as like a street light, right? Because they're looking to cross over. They don't really know what's going on, so they're drawn to me. And then I feel them, see them, hear them. I've had some good experiences. I've had some very, very bad experiences. Only one incubus attack in my life, but other than that, okay, mostly good stuff.

[A]

Just the one.

[B]

Just the one.

[A]

She came in loaded.

[B]

So I am. I'm a very paranormal person. I believe in all of it. I also am just someone who the galaxy is. So someone said the other day, if we. If we condensed our galaxy and to the sun was the size of a grain of sand, our galaxy would be the size of the United States. Still, like, that's how big it is out there. So I just. I just believe that. You never know. I'm open to any and all possibilities.

[A]

Yeah, great. I wanna. We gotta unpack this very haunted child phrase. So let's go back to the beginning. Let's treat this as your paranormal therapy. Where did it all begin?

[B]

Well, I. I mean, my mom was very witchy. And I think that I really believe that this is passed down because I now have. My oldest niece is just like me in every way. Personality. She terrorizes her mother, but she also has these abilities, and we saw it from a really young age. Like before she was even really speaking, we could just. She was getting up in her crib and screaming, crying, pointing at the corner at three in the morning every day for months before I came home and smudged her. Because I was like, we gotta get this in check. It's definitely an entity. She's feeling scared. It's scary when you're little. So my mom used to say that after they brought me home from the hospital in the coming months and years, all of a sudden she'd be like, doing laundry while I was napping. And then she would see something out of the corner of her Eye and like turn. And she said that she never really noticed those things, like little occurrences that could or couldn't be explained. But she didn't really remember them being a part of their life before me. And then When I was 15, we moved into this house and I just like, I literally remember the day I walked in and it just felt weird. And we later found out that the previous owner's mother had died in the house on hospice. And I just like, I couldn't really reconcile it. But the first few months things started happening with our dogs that they were cocker spaniels between the ages of like 6 and 9. And then all of a sudden they all started having accidents in the house in the same spot. And they were, they were.

[A]

Wait, timeout. Do you mean like poo, poo pee, pee accidents or they're like falling down the stairs?

[B]

No, sorry. It's a rambler. It's a one story home, so. But they're pissing everywhere. And that had never been a thing before. So we were like noticing that and little things that were being moved and whatever and then. But I kept like everyone kept blaming it on the other people in the house. It was my parents and me and my sister. And then my parents went on a trip and my sister was, I think she was at. Was she at college by this point? I don't know. She was. My sister was somewhere else also. So they had their family friend. Because I was a bad teenager, come at night from like 10pm to 6 in the morning just so I wouldn't throw parties. And by the way, 100% would have. I was a little fucking troublemaker. Great decision on their part. So I was alone most of the time. So I would like come home, I would like close my blinds and I would come home and just my bedroom blinds would be open and I was like, I know I closed that. And then I kept hearing like pots and pans and stuff kept happening. And the more that I would say it out loud to other people, I was like, something's here. Like something's not right. Like I don't know what's going on, but something's, something's up. More stuff started happening. And then I distinctly remember probably on the second or third day they were gone. I got home and it was with my boyfriend at the time. And he walked in the house in front of me and I was looking in my backpack, like looking for something. And he gasped and I looked up and he was standing facing our. It was the kitchen to the laundry room. It was Like a straight shot. You could see every single thing was out of the cabinets on the. On the. You know, the countertops.

[A]

The.

[B]

We had a pub table. And the chairs were tilted like they were leaning on the table, but the chairs were tilted. The dogs had pissed everywhere. Like, the blinds were open, all this stuff.

[A]

So I feel so bad for these cocker spaniels. They're like, take the most nervous dogs of all, spraying pee everywhere because there's like an old lady with an oxygen tank, like, spinning them around.

[B]

Like, no, like, truly. And then as a kid, what did I decide to do? Let's get a Ouija board in here. That's what I did.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. I would have done the same thing. Introduced to that so much. Let's amplify this shit.

[B]

And I knew that, like, part of it was coming from my sister's room, so we did it in her room. Sorry, Brittany. And there was like a couple kids there. And I asked it questions that the kid doing it with me couldn't have known the answer to. And it answered it correctly. So, like, going around, it's like, what are you doing here? And it was like, kill you, kill you, kill you. And I know.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

I know enough to know you don't take your hands off in your space from the little triangle thing. So I literally. The planchette, I made the little kids, like, other kids pick it up. And it's going like this insane. Me and this girl, and we open the front door and the little. What is it called?

[A]

A plan? Chest?

[B]

Plan chat. Well, it planned chained across my driveway. It literally went. And by the time we looked up, the other girl who had been holding it with me was in her car, peeling down the street.

[A]

Wait, it flew out into the driveway

[B]

from my front door. The second we went to go. Stop touching it. It went completely down our driveway.

[A]

I. I agree with Riley. This sounds like this is like a. You're like a walking slumber party, like, ghost mystery. Yeah.

[B]

So that. Well, when I went into college, my. I, you know, went to school with one of my best friends from high school and eventually.

[A]

Wait, we gotta talk about this. Sorry, I'm just processing so many things. We have to talk about the planchette flying. What? Ha. So you let go of the planchette away and it soup shot. So off the board.

[B]

Picture a kid holding the board. It's like a chintzy, shitty one. It wasn't like one you'd find in the haunted mansion. It was like.

[A]

And you're what? You're Leaving the house, carrying the board, or you're in the middle of the. Doing the summoning.

[B]

The kid is whole, is holding the board. Our hands are still on the thing. They open. Because I was like, that's the only scary movie thing I knew. I was like, don't take. Don't let it in the house. And as we got to the front door, I must. We, like, lifted our hand and it went like, as. Like. As if someone tucked it down the driveway. Like, we heard it go. Anyway, so then after that, things got pretty weird. It's too long of a story. This is only an hour show, I imagine, but basically, no.

[A]

We have all the time in the world for this. Keep telling us, all of us. We could skip the written part. I wanted. Yeah, this is what we're here for. Okay, so we're 22 minutes in. We got time.

[B]

So my parents get home. My mom is pissed because we got candle wax on the floor. This is her problem about this. I'm like, mom, there is a poltergeist, and this is what you are worried about? She's arguing with me. No one believes me, by the way. Story of my life. I'm like, this is real. I know it's happening. And then things started happening to everyone else. So me and my mom, one night, like, maybe six months or a year later, we're laying in bed watching Nick at night. It was our nightly ritual. It's very sweet. We're watching the tv.

[A]

Next we're talking My Three Sons. Donna Reed, Bewitched. Bewitched. Yeah.

[B]

No, the whole gamut. My I Dream of Genie. As years went on, I think we got to George Lopez at one point, like, there was all kinds of shows.

[A]

Oh, wow, you were watching late in the. Late in the.

[B]

Yeah, we were watching it. So her closet, which was. It's. I wouldn't say walk in. It was more of like a step in. It was like a sarcophagus, but there was enough for a body to be in the closet. There were these, you know, IKEA plastic storage containers of clothes and shit tucked in the back of the closet. And we're sitting there watching tv, and they just go foo. Like completely fly across the closet, hit the other side so hard that they open. And I sit up and I look at my dearly departed mother, and I just give her a look, and she goes, okay. And I went, yeah, thanks. Thanks, girl. So that was, like, the time she believed me. My sister, who is now.

[A]

Did she. Was she hide. She. You told us that she saw stuff out of the corner of your eye. But do you think that she ever saw some of that like poltergeist activity and just didn't tell you? Or was that the first time that you really think she saw something like an object move in the house?

[B]

I think it was just the clearest time that it could not be explained where it's like maybe she saw something out of she. We saw that happen. Like there was just no other way to explain it. And also I have a flair for drama. I don't know if you and your listeners can tell. So I also think she liked to minimize with me all the time. And by the way, me and my mother born on the same day. The whole witchy thing of it all,

[A]

like she oh, whoa, yeah.

[B]

Was the same way. So I'm like, you're talking to yourself in a mirror basically when we're having a conversation. But she I think also didn't want me to be scared because I was pretty scared at that point. And in walks Alex. Let me tell you about Alex. So.

[A]

Okay, great.

[B]

I later found out that there are two entities living in that house. The mother that had died there and then this little boy that we called Alex. And I can't remember why we called him that.

[A]

This is such a creepy name for a boy ghost. For some reason. Alex is just like, I don't like it. It sounds scary, I swear to God.

[B]

We looked something up and there was something about like my house in the 50s, but I couldn't, I couldn't verify. I should try and look it up. I and see like why we called it that. But.

[A]

And what part of the country is this in? Can you name the town or like what area?

[B]

This is in Fairway, Washington, South Seattle 253 represent. Okay, so we. I, in the time between the Ouija and the. The thing flying off, I had seen him multiple times. So I kept like. He was always in the same corner of my room and I'd wake up but by the time I sat up, he was gone. But it was the most distant, distinct, like what a Victorian ghost child. What you would think of like translucent skin, very, very pale black eyes. Like you could tell they were brown, but they, they looked, his pupils looked the same. This is Iris. He had a weird bowl cut, probably my color hair and like the same old timey looking outfit. I'm sure that you would know the technical name of his clothes, Michael, because

[A]

you know shit like that, like a little Lord Fauntleroy outfit. Did he have like the floppy collar and the bow tie? Did it look like he should be licking a large lollipop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or like skipping was like running with

[B]

a hoop, was carrying milk or something. You know what I mean? Like, okay, that kind of shit. So again, jumping all over the place. We'll get back to when my sister finally met him. But I kept seeing it. I kept seeing. I kept seeing it. And this is probably over the course of the two years before I go to college. But I remember because my blind was, was. Were always open in my room and I always closed them. I never liked to look at my house at night because it felt so. It felt like it was winking. Like I just. It did. It had kind of an insidious, this aura and I just didn't like it. So this one day I was like, you know what? I just got back from my friend's house and it was probably 10 o' clock at night and I was like, I'm just gonna look because it's a house and there's nothing that's gonna be there. I pull into the driveway and as I come up, my headlights hit the window and I see Alex from. You can just see his nose, like his eyes north like his. The top of his head as if he was a five year old boy. Look going like this, this like on his tiptoes, like waiting for me. And I held his eye contact. I stopped the car and I turned the lights off. And so the light is gone, but it's like there's still. I could still see a figure there. And then I just looked down and I started crying. And like the fear that I felt in that moment was so primal and so I just had known that for years now. I've been seeing this thing in my room and it's very much there and it is. I now know he's attached to me. And it's weird. He didn't follow me. I've had many other ghosts in my life since him. I've never seen him again since I was in that house.

[A]

So I don't know, Dana, this is blowing my mind. I have no idea about any of this. I thought you.

[B]

Haven't we.

[A]

No, you've told me. You've just said, oh, I have some stories. And I know, jumping ahead that like, I know you've like talked to Adela Levine and been like, oh, she nailed it, blah, blah, blah. I thought we were going to come in here and talk about some of those psychic sessions. I had no clue that you had like a ghost boy living in your bedroom growing up.

[B]

Yeah, no, he Fully was my little pal. And. But then the mean lady. So here's what I think happened. Looking back, he was very sweet, energy. I was originally frightened of him. That night, I went inside and I made myself go in my room, and I was like, this is okay. Like, I just inherently knew that he wasn't trying to hurt me and that it was just there. And I was like. I just. This is. That was like the moment, I think my brain shifted of being like, I think this is just part of your life, so just go with it then.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I would be confused because sometimes when I couldn't see it, the feeling felt menacing. And I was like, what is going on? Because I know it's not this little boy, but so what I learned later, the old lady that had died in the house, who was this gal? Like, my mom knew the previous owner. Apparently people just knew her. She was kind of a curmudgeon, not nice lady. And this one night, this is so, you know, the early aughts. You have the computer room, right? It was a small rambler, three bedrooms. You go through, like, the formal living room and bedroom. Then there's the rec room that has the computer and the kitchen. It's like a circle, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I would always go through the kitchen to the computer because the lights from the outside made me feel safe. And it was pretty dark in the formal living room. And then I was like, dana, stop being such a pussy. Just go through the formal living room. Like it's. It seems quicker. So I go through and I get halfway through, and I stopped because I could feel. It felt like someone was standing right in front of me. And I just froze for a second and I shot my arm out really quick to see if I could touch something. And nothing was there. And I paused. And then I started walking. And I swear to God, she raked my back with her nails. Like her. Not. Not hard enough that it, like, scarred me or anything, but she. It was a very deliberate, like. Like you, like, scratch me. And that's where her bed was. In hospice.

[A]

Oh, whoa. I just got chills.

[B]

Anyway, so then I ran through the computer room back to the kitchen with my bedroom and slept with my light on.

[A]

And never went in the dining room.

[B]

No, never again. And one time I was. Again, it's like pulling different people in. I was with a. One of my high school friends, and my mom was asleep. My dad was at work. My sister was at college. So it was just us in the. In my bedroom with the light on. Like, it sounded like someone was humming the loudest humming you've ever heard in the middle of the room. Like, we. And it lasted for, like, 15 seconds. And we're just looking at each other in shock of, like, what is happening? It sounded like someone had a tape recorder of someone humming really loud. And then I.

[A]

Did it sound like a kid humming?

[B]

No, it was a lady.

[A]

It was like an angry old lady.

[B]

Like, different pitches. And then it stopped, and we just laughed and laughed and laughed because it was like, what do you even do with that? And I got up and I went and checked. My mom was asleep. Like, my mom was not that stealth. She was usually drunk, so I would have heard her had she had been trying to, like, hum and then go back to her room. So

[A]

mom getting wasted and humming like mother, like daughter.

[B]

Am I right? Yeah. So anyway, yeah, that was spooky stuff. And then my sister, to this day, she doesn't believe it as much as I do, but she. I think if she opened herself up to it, she would have more of those experiences. I think she thinks I'm a lot more like our mom, and she's, for lack of a better word, more square. Just, like, closed off, very rational. That's all great. But then this one night, she was visiting from college, she was sleeping in her room. And I woke up to her standing over me, like, two in the morning, three in the morning. And I was like, what? And she was like, I need to get in bed with you. And I. We, like, still hated each other at this time. So I was like, no. And she was like, he won't stop turning the fan on. And so what happened was she kept getting up, and there was, you know, she had a ceiling fan and a little clicker thing. And there were, you know, low, medium, high, three settings. And when you clicked high, the fastest it could go, she would turn it off, and then it would be quadruple that speed. Like, shake. The ceiling fan would be shaking and making noise. And she was really cold. And so I was. I was like, I'm just gonna need you to admit, though, right before you get in the bed, that that's probably Alex and I'm probably right about the whole ghost thing, right? And she was like, yeah, whatever. So anyway, happened to everyone in the family.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, I mean it was like actually one of the first times I think I hung out with Raleigh. We were at her parents condo and they were remodeling. But before they had remodeled their. It was like a big mirrored wall. And it was late into the wee hours of us going out and being hooligans and. And we're like sitting around talking and I just went like this. And then I looked back and she was like, we're new friends. And she was like, what was that? And I was like a little kid just ran through there. But it's not like I'm not crazy, I swear. It's just something that happens sometimes. Like, we're good though. And she really went with it, which is probably why we're best friends to this day. But like a few more times I kept like, I can't help it. And like my friends that know me really well, that know this about me, get really upset if I'm like focused on something or if I'm like, shh. Because I'm like. It's hard to explain. Like, sometimes I hear it, but it sounds like. I mean, vibration has a sound, so I don't. I don't know how to explain it, but it's just like a specific. It's like a hum. Almost like a. It's like a sound. I don't know. So sometimes I can hear it, sometimes I see it. Most. Mostly I feel it. Like I get like, you know, bad shivers or I'm just like, oh, fuck. Like when I walk in certain places, sometimes I like going to haunted places because I like to. It's like a 4D experience for me.

[A]

Wow. Oh, Michael, you're muted. Sorry, I forgot I muted myself. Cause I coughed. I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was gonna say we gotta bring you on a ghost hunt sometime.

[B]

Absolutely. I mean, also, me and Raleigh have purchased just like a. One of those E meter thing, whatever that is. Not the L. Ron Hubbard kind. The kind that track ghosts. We've like also gotten.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I got one over my shoulder here.

[B]

I don't know if it developed, but then the. The whole light worker media empath thing happened because I had one low vibrational entity experience and I could probably. I could probably find these videos and send them to you. But long story short, 2020, not a great year for anyone. I was experiencing a really, really bad mental health crisis. And I've also, like. The ghost of it all is kind of funny to me because I've also always been mentally ill as like, I struggle with all kinds of stuff. Don't worry, I'm medicated. I'm doing great. I've taken all the steps, but it definitely, I think, impacts that. And I wasn't doing well. And I put up these cameras in my house because I was also like, kind of sketched out about my neighbors or you know, the area I was living in. And then immediately, the first night that I put these cameras up, they started picking things up. And it really started out as sounds and like banging on walls or like weird, like, sounded like walking in my living room. And then they, they. It started escalating where, like, there's like. I have a video of. I was at work and all of a sudden my. The camera was right in front of my desk and my desk chair completely pivots and the. The coat that was hanging on the back of it is like. Looks like it's suspended. Like someone's holding the Back of it. And then if you.

[A]

Well, yeah, you gotta send us these videos. I want to look at all of these, like, anecdotes.

[B]

So then two seconds later, the T, my TV turns on and then my blinds. It's like someone ran their fingers across them. Like they all start moving. This is in a 10 second thing.

[A]

So that's insane.

[B]

Me being me and my freaky little witchy whatever. I was like, you know, I'm just gonna smudge my place and make it leave. Because that's what I do. If something, you know, oftentimes when I interact with an entity that I know is just lost or whatever, I just let it know that's a true thing. You just tell them that they're okay and they can leave and please leave me alone, whatever. And they do. That thing was like, go fuck yourself. And I came home the next day after I smudged it, and I had seen something on the camera. Like, it was like there was like this loud banging or whatever. And I had this picture frame that was really thick and stable and it was perfectly put, like flipped over so like the photo was flat. And I. Again, I'm like, because this is so long ago, I need to go look at why. It was like the noise didn't get picked up, but it would have made a really loud noise. And I immediately knew that it was a threat. Like I could. I just knew something was wrong and that this was not an entity that I had ever been around before. And then a few nights later, it was like Paranormal Activity style, you know, three in the morning. I heard this. Like, I didn't hear with my ears. My. The camera picked it up. This demonic growl that you like, there's nothing on earth. Because I am also really rational. And I'm sure your listeners are like, no, you're not. But I try to go through every single possible option of what something could be before just being like, oh, it's a ghost, it's a demon, it's whatever.

[A]

I will say to your credit, you came up to us after the. Our live show in Los Angeles and you walked up to me and you went, you really believe this Bigfoot stuff? So I'm another reason. I'm shocked because I thought you were more skeptical about this stuff. But when. So I'm saying you do. You do suss things out. I will say this, knowing you, this is true.

[B]

I do. So I, you know, it was like, I was like, what could this possibly. There's. I will. It's going to. I. Sometimes I can find it Sometimes I can't. I promise you. I'm going to send you this video, and I want you to put the. I want you to put the audio in this.

[A]

This.

[B]

Because it's so insane. And like, my. The feeling that shot down my spine, I just knew. I was like, something bad is about to happen. So then a couple nights later, I was attacked for the first time in my sleep by a incubus. And basically. Have you ever seen the movie on Netflix called Veronica the Franka? No, hold on. Let me Google to make sure I'm

[A]

saying this right now. We. We are, as you're Googling, I will say we are familiar with incubus the Succubus, and like, that whole, like, old hag syndrome and all that stuff. Like the idea of something coming in your room and. Yeah. Paralysis. Pressure on the chest. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So. Okay, so it is Veronica. So in this film.

[A]

Oh, Veronica.

[B]

It's a. It's a Spanish supernatural horror film. And I. You know, I love scary movies. It's one of my favorite. It's. I think it's. It's also probably felt scarier for me when I was watching it because it was so true to what certain things I had experienced. And one of them is when she finally sees the entity, what it looked like for her. It was like. It was like black cloud, like. Like it was. It didn't look like a. A. A centaur or something that had, like, mass, like. I don't know how to explain it,

[A]

but I remember if only they all looked like centaurs.

[B]

I mean, I think more people would be trying to get haunted, if you

[A]

know what I mean.

[B]

I remember Leo, may he rest. My cat, Michael knew him well. He got up and. Because he would, like, sleep on my neck, and he was at attention, hissing, full. I remember. And I remember not being able to move and thinking, is this sleep paralysis? But then there was my modem or something in my room, like a light flashing. And I saw the entity move past it, and when it did, the light went away. So I was like, there's something in this room.

[A]

Whoa. Something was in between you and the light. Wow.

[B]

Okay. Again, I'm, like, kind of hesitant to tell the story on here because I. This is. I know it sounds unbelievable, but this

[A]

is the place to tell it.

[B]

I am telling you it. I fucking levitated. Like, I can't. I remember the feeling of coming off of my bed and screaming in the most. Like, I could feel it in my chest, how loud I was screaming, but there was no noise. And then I could feel the weight of it on me. And it was. And it felt like it lasted for 100 years. So that happened like two or three times. And I. I don't know, I was two or three. Yeah, I was like, I was.

[A]

I'd be burning the bed after one time losing my.

[B]

I wasn't doing well. But then that's when this Reiki. I was introduced to this Reiki person and my friend was like, I really benefited from her. I want to. I was also broke as he was like, I'm gonna buy you five sessions. You need to do these sessions with her. She single handedly helped me figure out how to deal with this and like overcome it because she was also a medium light worker empath and she had also experienced that. So the last time it had happened before I finally cast him out, I woke up in the morning and I felt like there was a curling. I swear, Michael, I've showed you these photos or videos, we've talked about this. But I felt like I had been burned with a curling iron on my leg. So I pulled the sheets back and there was a handprint that was like longer than mine. Like, I put my hand on it so I could. I was like, did I sleep on my hand or something? That was so bright red and it burned like you would not believe. And that burn feeling lasted for a full two days. Like it didn't go away. So I have like, whoa. Again that morning I was like, that happened. Like, I know this is real. Anywho, long story short, the gal who helped me basically said that low vibrational entities do not have power in our dimension. They just do not. And the way that they make you think they have power is through fear and making you think that you can't get up or you can't speak or you can't do all these things. And trust me, they'll you.

[A]

Sounds like a little bit of power to me. I mean, if they can burn my inner thigh and make me frozen in bed, they got some power. That's all I'm saying.

[B]

No, absolutely. But it's being able to, like, basically you have to stand up to them. She was like, next time it happens manipulating you. You have to, with all of your force, literally, like fly out of bed and yell at it and say, get the out. And like, you're never welcome here again. Whatever. Anyway, the next time it happened, I did that and it never came back. And then I took the cameras down also. I just didn't feel good about it. I was like, yeah.

[A]

At that point. It's like, I think.

[B]

I truly think that they. Something happened and that was its window into my place. Or.

[A]

Or an invitation to be like, oh, you want to see something? We'll show you something. You know what I mean? It's. It was all less like it came out of the electronic and more like, because I'm getting. Sometimes when I'm on to something, I'll get the chills. So I kind of know when I'm on to something here, but I got the chills as I said that. I just think that, like, it's sort of like, oh, you want a show? We will put on a show for you. You know what I mean? It's like an invitation to play. It's like.

[B]

It's like when I've had a few martinis, a trigger object recording me on Instagram, I'm the same way. I'm like, oh, you want a fucking show? I'll go on a show. I don't know. I actually think that every person alive has divine capabilities. But it's. It's a spectrum of. I, no offense, my sister, I tell her this all the time. New soul. This is her first journey here. I'm aware of that. I have been here a thousand times. So has my mom. Like, I just knew that about me. I know my niece, the older one, old as fuck. I literally looked in her eyes for the first time and the feeling that I. It was like. It felt like. That's so raven. Like I, like, transcended a different universe because I knew her. I was like, oh, I know you. You and I are each other. And I think that the veil is just so thin and people are afraid of it. I understand that it doesn't make sense. Some people don't believe, but even non believers, I think if they open their mind up to it, have the ability to have these experiences. Not that people want to be attacked by.

[A]

No, no, no, no. But it also makes sense. Like, you know, we've. We've heard, and I'm sure other people have too, listening to this. But like, the idea of also when you're in a depressive state or if you're going through rough emotional, you know, we've heard that, like, that's when some of these lower dimensional, lower vibrational entities or malevolent and, you know, entities will be like, yay. It's like flies to, you know, honey with that stuff so that you can attract some negative energy, you know?

[B]

Well, and throughout my life, like, I

[A]

unintentionally, like, it's not Your fault. I'm not saying that you're, like, buzzing around being like, yeah, way to go.

[B]

I think that throughout my life, and I've had different depressive episodes, and, I mean, probably three that were legitimately life threatening, and that was one of them, but that. And that was the worst that I have ever experienced. I feel really grateful to be on the other side of that and have gotten help, but that tracks for me. Like, I was so not myself and barely functioning as a person. And basically the Reiki person that I was working with was saying, like, your light is still on. Like.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like sending out signals, but you're so vulnerable right now because you're so up and. Yeah, I have not. Luckily, I haven't experienced that again. But I also feel. This sounds corny, but I feel braver. Like, I don't think it would happen again also because I, Like, I've. I had, like, a few weeks ago.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

This, like, light came through my blinds and then went away. It was, like, this greenish light, and it was, like, really quick. And then I was like, oh, Joe's passing on, like, whatever that was. But then I had one that was. Felt scary, like it was standing over me and definitely nefarious in nature. And I immediately sat up and was like, nope. And then I was gone. So it's not to say that I wouldn't ever be visited by that again, but I just think it was a perfect microcosm of circumstance and I'm equipped to deal with it now. Like, I will feel you up. I dare you.

[A]

Yeah. That's growth. Yeah. So what. So what's your. Like, in a nutshell? Like, what's your. Do you think that these are. Like, the old lady is a spirit of a deceased person that's passed on, you know, Same with Alex. Is it. Is it somebody coming back? Is it leftover energy? Are these entities or energies from different dimensions? Like, what do you think. Think is. What do you think is the source for this stuff?

[B]

I think that there's probably a time after we leave our physical bodies that we are still the soul that was housed in them. And so maybe you're holding on to those memories or the people you knew or the places you knew. And I think that transitions happen at different paces, depending on the circumstance of death, depending on who you were, depending on all kinds of stuff. But I think eventually it's. It's transmuted into. And actually not to keep breaking up this great Reiki lady, but she was like, you have to become an alchemist. Because you with the empathy you suck in. Like, I do have a tendency to do this with living people. Like, I want to hear about your trauma because I want to take it away from you. And then sometimes I would let it sit and rotten me. And she's like, but you need to re. Turn it into.

[A]

You're a trauma goblin.

[B]

And I, like, turn it into light and then send it out. And so I just think that over time, time energy is recyclable. So everything becomes energy, and then it goes to whatever. Have you. Have you guys ever read Many Lives, Many Masters?

[A]

You know, I never have, but I know about it. You know what I mean? It's one of those that I've heard people talk about enough that I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm like, I've actually never read it.

[B]

Which I should highly recommend. I think it's one of the more accurate depictions. It's about a real psychologist, just like the psychologist you're going to marry. But he does these sessions with this woman that does hypnosis, but she goes to past lives and is able to.

[A]

Past life regression.

[B]

Yeah, she's able to validate it because the things she knows about him. And she's. It's clear he's no longer talking to her. It's like the Masters. And we have these seven planes that we have to go through as our souls and whatever. So I think that it's a combination of many things, but I think that for the most part, we're, you know, we're all in a meat suit having an experience, and then we're all here learning things, bumping into each other. I believe in soul ties and contracts and, you know, which. It's like the people that you hate in your life, you're like, ugh. But you're like, I know there's a reason that that was supposed to be happening in my life. So I don't know. What do you guys think? I think I'm open to any possibility.

[A]

I'm really. I'm in a very similar thought system as you are. I tend to think that, like, consciousness exists outside of the third dimension. We're in, like, the lowest dimension where consciousness can be. House?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless you want to cross the line into the second dimension in sort of fictional consciousness, which is also, I think, a thing that we can interact with, but. But it's certainly the lowest dimension where we can, like, interact with time, space, and. And, you know, moving around, forward, backwards, ups, down, you know. So I think that once we pass on it's something like what you're describing or it's like the Matrix where our consciousness wa up in the fifth dimension is like, oh, right, I was just Michael. I remember and I'm looking around the room and I'm like, oh, you were Riley and you were Dana. And there was. You know, it's like you're looking around and going, okay, I remember now. I remember now. And it's. There's a. There's a lot of things that we've heard from people who've had a glimpse on the other side or have had near death experiences or very powerful like DMT experiences where, where they will say like where they felt more real than real, you know, that it's sort of like whatever is on the other side is like the 4K to our like, you know, I don't know, 720 or, or lower resolution. So I do think that, I do think consciousness exists beyond this. I do think we tend. We are dipping down here in little meats as meat suit astronauts to experience this and we can't remember where we came from. And then we'll return there one day and go, oh, right, right, right. I was so freaked out over nothing. Nothing.

[B]

I think we're all just, let's do it again. Like, you know, like when you think about in terms of, in the plebeians, like the size of the universe, I, I just don't believe that we're it. We're. Look at the world right now. We're. I think we're little monsters that are getting a little too big for our britches and doing everything. I just think like we're, there's. We're not it. We're not the highest.

[A]

I mean, we, we play video games right? Where we, I mean, will do things that I would never do in real life, you know, like Grand Theft Auto is an example. You know what I mean?

[B]

I've stolen it. But with you, Michael, don't you gotta talk?

[A]

Well, I didn't run anyone over with it, Dana. But the thing, the thing that I always think about is like, if we had the ability right now to drop into like a video game and be fully immersed to the point where we don't remember and we're guaranteed before we go in, like, hey, it might get crazy down there, but ultimately you're gonna come out of the game and you're gonna be fine. You know what I mean? I feel like a lot of us would do it. You know what I mean? So if there's a higher dimension where, where they figured out a way to drop down here and be part of whatever this existence is. They've done it, and we're doing it now. You know that that's sort of similar to the sim simulation theory, but. But simulation theory.

[B]

But I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. It's all. These are all big, weird ideas that come with their own, like moral questions and existential crises.

[B]

But a lot of that, what I've been thinking about lately, it is just an interesting concept to me in terms of the space time continuum. Like, people are basically saying, like, all of the time that we're experiencing right now, we're consciously plugged into this moment, but everything we've ever experienced is happening right now in this moment. And it's like this is just where we consciously are. And I don't know, there's something that brings me comfort about that. And I think it's weird. I think it's interesting that we, who know, time is a weird thing. I've been getting really into Glitch in the Matrix. Actually. We talk about it on our podcast all the time because people write in their own stories, ones that I've experienced, that you're just like, I can't again. My Virgo moon brain, that needs to make sense of something. And when I can't, I'm like, what is it, though? Like, something else is out there. I just think it's. It's fun to think about.

[A]

Well, Dana, you couldn't have set me up better for what we're about to share next, because this. This one is a real weird one. We're gonna take a break. When we come back, it's time for this week's story of high strangeness.

[B]

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[A]

Okay, here we go. So get that. We're not rolling on this, but get that quote ready, and I'll give you a little. I'll give you a little point when it's your. Your turn, and you can make this character your own.

[B]

Okay, you let me know when.

[A]

All right, here we go. You'll have a little bit more context when we get there. Okay. It's April Fool's day and I decided that I'm gonna find a very foolish looking cryptid that we could get into this week. This week's story is an extra weird one. It's High Strangeness, everybody. I forgot to say that it involves a man and his mother who share a generational connection of high strangeness involving a curious figure from West Virginia known for his plant like countenance. Dana Riley. Club Scouts let us enter the hallways of the obscure as we get to the root of the mystery known as the Vegetable Man. The Vegetable man, or Veggie man, is a cryptid from West Virginia that is considered by some to be a possible UFO knot or UFO occupant. It is allegedly 7ft tall with bamboo reed thin. It's bamboo reed thin with pointed ears, a long nose and thin fingers with needle tipped suction cups on the ends. The Vegetable man story arrived in the eager hands of UFO enthusiasts in the March 1976 edition of Gray Barker's newsletter. Now for those of you who don't know, Gray Barker is an infamous yet celebrated author and UFO researcher who was among the first to report such phenomena as the Flatwoods Monster, the Mothman. I'm sure you've heard of the Mothman, Dana. And Gray Barker was one of the first people to write about the Men in Black. Discussing a Gray Barker case on April Fool's Day feels very appropriate. The man was known to embellish stories, play pranks on his fellow researchers, and even, yes, create the occasional hoax or two to help prop up and promote the UFO phenomenon. So we have to take anything that he says with a tiny, incy bitsy grain of salt. To that degree, there would be many who would argue that the Vegetable man is probably just a tall tale, an April Fool's joke, if you will. To them I say, shut up and eat your vegetables. There are two main eyewitnesses in this story. Jennings H. Frederick Fredericks and his mother, Iva Fredericks. Although their encounters took place years apart and it's unclear whether they saw the exact same entity, we'll begin with Jennings and work our way back in time. The year was 1968. Jennings H. Frederick lived in Marion County, West Virginia, just outside of Grant Town. According to Gray Barker, it was a beautiful July day and Frederick, a former Air Force member, was on his way home after a long day of hunting woodchuck with a bow and arrow. However, the woodchucks weren't chucking that day, so Fredericks was walking home empty handed. As the sun began to set, Fredericks made his way through the woods. When he began to hear what sounded like a record being played at high speed. A bit of jumbled scrambling. Then a dreamy, unworldly voice came to him. Him. Whether the voice floated through the air or was communicated to him telepathically, Frederick was unsure. But the message was clear.

[B]

You need not fear me. I wish to communicate. I come as friends. We know of you all. I come in peace. I wish medical assistance. I need your help.

[A]

Wait. Time out. What? You're. Wait, hold on. What? You really said the medical assistance thing in there.

[B]

Wait, you.

[A]

No, no, no. That's what it really said. That's what it really said. I'm just commenting on like if I were. If I were receiving this message. I'm like. Okay, you come in peace. Here you are. Wait, what? Medical assistance? What are you talking about?

[B]

Okay, I see. I thought that that was you guys getting me and you were. I was reading. Am I reading the right thing? Okay, great.

[A]

I told you no April Fool's jokes in any of this.

[B]

Here's not Michael's instructions. Also, here's a very fun character for you to read tonight. Story of high strangers. A creature called the Vegetable Man. Make it your own. Here's a drawing. Okay, well, that was me making my own, Michael. How about that?

[A]

You were perfect. You were perfect.

[B]

Sidebar?

[A]

Yes, please.

[B]

My cat is from West Virginia and I am deeply obsessed with the Appalachian mountains and all of the lore that comes out of there. So I actually believe this thing would live there.

[A]

Okay, well, let's keep going. Fredericks reached for his handkerchief and snagged his arm on what he initially believed was a briar patch. He looked down to see a long, thin plant like hand that had grabbed his wrist. Emerging from the foliage came a 7 foot tall thin being, vaguely human in nature, with exaggerated features. His head resembled a pineapple, with a long nose, big yellow eyes, pointed elven ears and a tuft of hair or fibers that shot straight into the air. The being's outstretched arm was, quote, no bigger, round than a quarter. And its hands ended in three 7 inch long fingers with needle like tips and suction cups. Fredericks winced in pain as he realized the vegetable like creature was draining blood out of his arm, accompanied by a sucking sound as its little fingers tightened and drained a blood vessel. As this vampiric process took place, Vegeman's eyes shifted from yellow to bright red. Fredericks became lost in the queer being's eyes. To him, they appeared to become spinning circles of orange. His pain began to fade away. Once the transfusion had ended. The vegetable man released the poor hunter and turned and bounded up the hillside, taking long gliding leaps that could easily measure over 20ft. The vegetable man disappeared over the crest of the hill and vanished into the trees. The pain suddenly returned to Frederick's arm. He could hear a humming sound coming from up the hill from where the vegetable man had just vanished, leaving Frederick, who was a self proclaimed UFO buff, to wonder if the being who had just helped himself to a few gulps of tasty earthy blood was taking off in some sort of flying saucer. Fredericks returned home and washed and dressed his wounds. The event had been so insane that he told no one of the thirsty vegetable man, instead telling his family that he'd gotten his arm caught in a patch of briars. A few months later, he finally reported the story to Gray Barker. It'll come to no surprise to long listeners that high strangeness ran in the Fredericks family. Years earlier, Jennings Frederick's mother, Iva had a UFO encounter that terrified her. One morning when Jennings was a boy, Iva was tidying up the breakfast table after Jennings father ran off to work while the rest of the kids had left for school. Iva glanced out the window and saw what she thought at first was a child playing in a nearby cow pasture. She darted out the front door to warn the little boy of a nearby electric fence. But a few feet off the porch, Iva halted dead in her tracks. Near the small figure was a 10 foot long cream and silver colored saucer shaped craft hovering over the field with what looked to be like some type of elevator shaft dropping out of the underside. Above the elevator shaft was a row of windows that ran along the bottom of the craft. The disc spun clockwise and she could hear a low humming noise emitting from the machine. The boy was no boy at all, but a green, dark green creature that looked more animal than human.

[B]

Human.

[A]

It had pointy ears and according to Iva, a tail. A cable ran from the creature back to the interior of the saucer. Scared that she was in the presence of some type of demonic creature. This was a Christian family. Iva ran into the house and hid under the covers. Fifteen minutes later, having worked her nerve back up to peer out the window, Iva saw the little devil watch back into the craft and take off into the morning sky with a mechanic hum. When Jennings came home, Iva told her son what she had seen. The boy was already a flying saucer enthusiast and went out to the field where he found three towed tracks and impressions in the ground where the craft had landed. According to Barker, Jennings took plaster casts and reported the incident to the Air Force, who told the kid his mother had just seen a weather balloon. Perhaps inspired by this event, Jennings H. Fredericks would grow up to join the Air Force. Now, Barker claims, somewhat dubiously, I feel that four months after being honorably discharged from the Air Force, Fredericks was visited in his home by the notorious Men in Black, who drugged and questioned Jennings on his knowledge of UFOs, leading Barker to suspect that that Fredericks must have had access to some top secret information on UFOs during his time in the Air Force, perhaps even glimpsing a craft, but makes this leap with very little detail and zero evidence to back it up. Considering that Barker was a known embellisher and one of the main proponents of, if not the inventor of the Men in Black myth, I think we can take this detail with the aforementioned grain of salt. But the Vegetable man, that's some serious stuff. Dana, we have come to the end of our story and to the point where we like to ask our guests for their opinion on the otherworldly events described. Dana Cathens, what the hell was that?

[B]

I don't know. When you said the 20 foot gallops from the Vegetable man again, I'm like, has anyone ever seen me running around Silver Lake drunk as, like, I don't know that that was as otherworldly.

[A]

I'm the vegetable.

[B]

Something kind of similar. I don't think I'm an athlete or anything. I mean, I think that I. Ida, right? Is. Is the mom.

[A]

Iva I V A H. Not a name you hear very often.

[B]

Excuse me. I mean, I feel sad for her running under the covers, but like, aren't those broads at that time supposed to be made of steel? I would have sooner thought she'd wipe her hands on her apron and come out like, clack with a shotgun, get

[A]

a pitchfork and chase that devil away.

[B]

We don't know what it was though. I mean, I look again. I obviously, I believe in aliens. Listen to me. So I'm like, it probably was. I love people who have alien encounters.

[A]

Yeah, it's a weird story. It's one of. It's what we call a one hit weirdo on the podcast where it's kind of Veggie Man's a one and done, but a folk cryptid in West Virginia to this day. I know our friends over at the Moth Boys have the Veggie Man Festival. Festival. And you know, we've talked about this on the show before, but briefly. But it's a weird one. I love how weird it is. This guy. Riley, will you describe the drawings that I've put in? Dana, I. You don't have all of them, but can you describe what this guy looks like? Like a. Like a goblin and a stock of broccoli?

[B]

Or.

[A]

Or like his little head is like, maybe like a little shallot that, like, you left in the drawer too long and it started growing the little bits out of the top up.

[B]

Well, I'm surprised he thirsted for blood. Like, I mean, he didn't. He. He didn't want to seek a nice. Go to Erewhon and get some veggie stock and maybe drink some of that.

[A]

Hey, no, no, it's. It's. Drink some of these revenge magical mentor cum shakes.

[B]

And now we're full circle. And that is what we. That's what we in the business call a callback.

[A]

We'll call our bar the Veggie Man's Diet.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

The Veggie Man's Shake. Like, yeah, I love the idea of a. Of a vegetable man exacting its revenge on humans and just. I do, too, Little vampire veggie Man. I mean, there's lot of. I. I don't really understand why he's considered the vegetable man. He has a vegetable. Like, he does have. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. And in terms of, like, the jumps and the gliding, who knows how gravity affects this creature? Maybe he's very wispy. Maybe he's of being blown through the air riding on the breeze. I don't know. This is certainly a case of high strangeness. I do think that, like, you know, again, we have to put it in the, like, shrug category when it comes from Gray Barker. But I do love. I also love the generational thing because there are things in this story where, Dana, you would. You would appreciate this, where you'll find out that people who have had a UFO encounter will have some kind of history of poltergeist activity in their family or somebody else in their family has seen a ufo. This stuff seems to be generational at times and does kind of. Yeah. So I don't know. There's some fun stuff here, and it's just a great story. It's a great veggie tale at the end of the day, if you ask me. Okay, Dana, we're gonna. I'm gonna run down a list of phenomena. Rapid fire. Okay. And in this game, there's no more on the fence if you're Open to it. You say, I believe it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Or Believe it. Sorry. If you're open to it, say believe it. If you're not open to it, say okay. This is a game that we call or believe it it. Dana Kathan. On your mark, get set. Ghosts.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Bigfoot. UFOs.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

The Loch Ness monster.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

The Bermuda Triangle.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Tarot cards.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Manifestation.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

El Chupacabra. Ouija boards.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Seeing the future.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Out of body experiences.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Dog man. Goat man.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Sheep Squatch. Bat Squatch. Life on other planets.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Life after death.

[B]

Believe it.

[A]

Great job. Very good. You know, Bat Squatch is a cryptid from Washington state, so you should appreciate Bat Squatch. Bat Squatch is just a giant, big muscular bat or bat like creature. Some people think of it as Sasquatch with wings, but it's more like a giant big old bat beast that they think erupted out of Mount St. Helens.

[B]

I mean, I believe in terms of. Also Washington has that aura too. It's like the Sasquatch. The Pacific Northwest has.

[A]

Freaking weird.

[B]

You weird.

[A]

Absolutely. So no, I'm Bigfoot. Yes. Unlock Ness Monster. Why are we no one? Okay.

[B]

Nessie's real.

[A]

Okay. Why are we. Why are we no on Bigfoot?

[B]

Because it's my game and I can answer what I want. I don't know. I just think you guys are silly geese about that. I like your passion. I like that it's brought us the show. I don't think, you know, I saw the Hendersons. I'm like, I. No, it's just. Just. That's not right.

[A]

I've never denied being a silly goose.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, you're a silly goose.

[A]

Foundry principle. Really. Dana Kaithan. What a joy. I'm so happy this h. You know, it took a little while, but it happened right on time. As far as I'm concerned. Where can people find disrespectfully or you or whatever plug away.

[B]

You can find disrespectfully podcast wherever you get your podcast. We are disrespectfully pod on TikTok and Instagram and I am Kathan on both TikTok and Instagram.

[A]

And maybe for those who are just Cryptid nerds like us and don't know what disrespectfully is. Do you want to give them a little taste of who you and your co host are and what you guys talk about?

[B]

Sure. Myself and my lovely co host Katie Maloney really like to discuss whatever it is we're feeling. Like, sometimes we talk about aliens, sometimes we talk about politics. Politics, pop culture. Disrespectfully. I mean, the ethos of the show was just living your most authentic life in an unapologetic and apologetic. Oh my God, cut that in an unapologetic way.

[A]

That's fine. Don't apologize for that. Yeah, exactly. That's just what we're doing here. And if you like what we're doing here and you want more BCC or would like to listen to ad free episodes, then join BCC [e-mail] get three bonus episodes every month on BCC the Other side ad free episodes, including classic ad free episodes. We've gone back from the very beginning. We're up to episode probably 2526 in addition to 248. So we're closing the gap from the old episodes and when we started doing those. And you get music From Riley over 24 hours and new tracks dropping when you want them to, which is right when they drop over on the Cosmic Track channel. Find the link to that in our show notes and in our Instagram bio at Bigfoot Collectors Club. If we don't see you there, we'll see you back here next Wednesday. Thank you, Dana Kathan for joining us. We appreciate you. Everybody go subscribe and listen to or watch respectfully. Until then, good night.

[B]

Thank you guys so much. This was really fun. Love you all.

[A]

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