"Weird Here to Help: L-Files" w/ Steve Berg & Eric Edelstein

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bigfoot Collectors Club

Episode: "Weird Here to Help: L-Files" w/ Steve Berg & Eric Edelstein
Date: February 25, 2026
Host: Michael McMillan & Riley Bray
Guests: Steve Berg & Eric Edelstein
Podcast Theme: Discussion of personal paranormal histories and stories of high strangeness, focusing on listener-submitted paranormal encounters (the "L-Files") with special guests from the new podcast "Weird Here to Help".

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Overview

This episode of Bigfoot Collectors Club is a rollicking roundtable featuring returning favorites Steve Berg and Eric Edelstein (of the "Weird Here to Help" podcast) diving into listener-submitted paranormal stories—the famed "L-Files." The group sets a playful, curious tone, mixing skepticism, genuine wonder, and sharp wit as they tackle current UFO news, deep-dive listener encounters, and cryptid folklore. Between stories and insightful asides, the hosts and guests riff on their personal interests—ranging from baseball cards and music to sandwich shops and acting tales.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Obama "Disclosure" and Presidential UFO Admissions

• Discussion Segment: [06:15]–[15:00]
• Recent comments by Barack Obama about aliens being "real" spark debate. The hosts analyze the media's handling, note the comedian-like walkback of Obama's statement, and the missed opportunity for follow-up questions.
  • Quote: "Obama said, 'They're real, but I haven't seen them. They're not being kept at Area 51. Unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hide it from the President.'" —Michael McMillan [06:58]
  • The group reflects on how politicians frame disclosure and control narratives—touching on Hillary Clinton's push of the term "UAP" and suspicion around government and military sources.
  • They highlight the short news cycle and how high-profile comments lose traction quickly.
  • Memorable Moment: The group jokes about conspiracy theorists, with Eric Edelstein adding, "Nobody better to put a happy face on some very nasty stuff than Obama, whether it be disclosure or drones." [14:00]

2. Introduction: "Weird Here To Help" Podcast

• Discussion Segment: [22:28]–[23:59]
• Steve and Eric discuss their spin-off podcast, which embraces the esoteric, high-strangeness questions ignored by their more skeptical co-hosts. Recent cases include haunted Christmas trees, energy vampires, and practical advice for the paranormally befuddled.
  • Quote: "That's where Steve and I thrive, and that's where Seabiscuit just kind of starts running around the track." —Eric Edelstein [22:53]

3. Listener L-Files: Paranormal Stories & Analysis

• Format: The team reads and reacts to several in-depth listener-submitted experiences, offering possible explanations, advice, and connections to regional cryptid lore.

a) Tolkien Archives & Dahmer’s “Residual Energy” in Milwaukee

• Segment: [30:41]–[39:28]
• A listener recounts a trip to see Tolkien artifacts, only to experience oppressive negative feelings after visiting the former site of Jeffrey Dahmer’s apartment. The "stain" of traumatic events and need for spiritual protection are highlighted.
  • Quote: "I tried to shake it off, but it was something primal and instinctual...like a panicked evolutionary response in prey animals." [34:16]
• The team discusses "psychic stains" and whether notorious sites accumulate energy or if folklore/expectation amplifies paranormal feelings.
• Advice: Eric suggests building something positive, like a park, on the site. Steve questions if any land is ever “clean” of tragedy, citing the weight of layered human history. [39:28]

b) Dogman/Bigfoot Encounter in Michigan

• Segment: [47:17]–[52:22]
• A detailed account of primal howls, predator-on-predator violence, and silent woods in Michigan’s Dogman territory.
  • Quote: "We heard what can only be described as a cross between a yell and a howl. Human, but not human." —Letter by Giano [48:08]
• Steve identifies the region as classic Dogman country; discussion includes regional lore of Dogman, Bigfoot, and other cryptids.
• All agree: Get out if you encounter something like this!
• Memorable Moment: Jokes about running to Detroit’s casinos as a survival strategy. [54:54]

c) “Deer Man” Pursuit on a Rural Farm

• Segment: [55:48]–[68:39]
• A listener describes being chased by a vaguely deer-like form that stands upright and pursues them across a field.
  • Quote: "The silhouette changed again...the only way I can describe it is that it looked like the silhouette of a very tall man with his hands straight up in the air." [59:24]
• Theories: Chronic wasting disease, a Wendigo, S-walker, or shape-shifting entity. Classic "high-strange" trickster behavior is mentioned, especially as the witness's father saw nothing.
  • Quote: "There just is, like, a trickster thing going on when you hear these stories." —Steve Berg [65:33]
• Advice: Steve jokes about negotiating with "deer man" by offering grass; group emphasizes the uniquely terrifying nature of the encounter.

d) Southern Indiana “Daytime Moon” & Thunderbird/Pterosaur Sighting

• Segment: [70:03]–[77:47]
• Listener Kayana describes seeing a sudden moon-like orb and, weeks later, a massive bird-shaped shadow "with a spaded tail" over their car—though nothing was visible in the sky.
  • Quote: "The closest thing I could think was that some debris entered the atmosphere...but it just seemed too large to burn up that fast." [72:34]
• Steve connects the shadow to regional thunderbird and pterosaur legends, specifically referencing the Van Meter Visitor (Iowa, 1913).
• Riley points out both events occurred at the same hill, suggesting a "paranormal primer" phenomenon leading to more incidents.
• All urge listeners to report the specific timing and place for possible pattern research.
• Advice: Eric humorously prescribes the song "When the Word Was Thunderbird" by Billy Joe Shaver for the experience.

4. Collectors’ Corner: Personal Recommendations

• Segment: [80:41]–[89:57]
• The hosts and guests recommend things they’re obsessed with, from Japanese baseball YouTube channels and card collecting (Eric), local LA diner spots, to My Bloody Valentine albums and concerts (Steve).
  • Steve shares about a friend who went from scientist to appearing as a dictator in My Bloody Valentine’s live show, underscoring the club’s “follow your weird dreams” ethos.

5. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "I have a switchblade. There you go. And nicotine lozenge. I'm a boy. I'm not ready..." —Eric Edelstein [03:23]
• “Time is precious, and so are our pets.” —Opening out-of-context ad, immediately undercut with jokes [00:16]
• "If you're just joining Bigfoot Collectors Club, the show where we talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history..." —Michael McMillan, self-aware intro [02:35]
• "I would say, what if they put up something wonderful, like a nice, beautiful park... with a wonderful exotic gym set?" —Steve Berg on "clearing" the Dahmer lot [42:19]

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Notable Timestamps

• [06:58] – Obama’s “aliens are real” Time Magazine interview segment
• [09:33] – Hillary Clinton, UAPs, and media rebranding discussion
• [15:25] – US drone flap in New Jersey and Palantir surveillance speculation
• [22:43] – "Weird Here to Help" podcast intro & cases
• [30:41] [34:16] [39:28] – Tolkien/Dahmer energy story and psychological aftereffects analysis
• [47:17] [50:46] – Michigan Dogman encounter read and breakdown
• [55:48] [59:24] [65:33] – Deer Man encounter, reaction, and high strangeness theories
• [70:03] [74:50] – Southern Indiana "daytime moon" and thunderbird sighting
• [80:41] – Collectors Corner: personal obsessions
• [85:05]–[89:57] – My Bloody Valentine and Dinosaur Jr. music appreciation, LA scene recommendations

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Original Language & Tone

• The episode is both comedic and inquisitive, characterized by affectionate jabs, pop culture references, and a playful ease around oddball topics.
• Steve and Eric’s real-life buddy chemistry shines, echoing the show’s recurring focus on genuine friendships and off-beat storytelling.
• The hosts mix skepticism and credulity, always emphasizing a love of the weird and a respect for good storytelling.

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Conclusion

In this standout installment, Bigfoot Collectors Club delivers a mix of fascinating listener encounters, insightful banter about paranormal and conspiracy culture, and a showcase for the synergy between old friends with a shared love of high strangeness. For fans craving firsthand accounts, cryptid lore, and a “clubhouse” atmosphere—this episode is essential listening.

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Buddy vibes, weird advice, and a hearty dose of wonderment—all on display in this episode.

Transcript

[A]

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[A]

It's bigfoot collectors club with michael and riley. I know a story of highest rangeness or two. Let's do this.

[B]

Hey, I don't like. I don't like being disrespected on my own podcast.

[A]

Okay? Used to a big daddy coming in hot.

[B]

You know, I heard you two went out and I felt a little burnt. You know what I mean?

[A]

Oh, are you?

[B]

I bring you two together and then you cut me out of the middle.

[A]

Anytime. You are welcome to Anton Newcomb and Joel. Anytime, brother. Are you into them, Mike? Because if not, we're going to get. We're going to drag you into that world because it's. Listen, I saw Riley unexpectedly the first time I ever saw them and it was magic. And then I was. Of course he's here.

[B]

I'm not like a super fan, but I have listened. I enjoy. It's been a long time, probably 20ish years, but I could slip right back in there.

[A]

I think it's time. And I'm only got into them by the grace of Steve Berg and my friend Tegan who are like, you have to. You have to. You're made for this music. You are so glad.

[C]

It's. It's psych rock therapy, psychotherapy.

[A]

It is. And the, the, the pace of it is pretty perfect for me. I'm more of an indica than sativa

[C]

as far as it's a heavy. It's a purple haze of indica. Yeah, right.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

Yeah, it's like a granddaddy purple if it was a strange.

[B]

Now if you're just joining Bigfoot Collectors Club, the show where we talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history and share stories of High strangeness. I'm your host, Michael McMillan, and with me always is. You know what? I didn't look one up this week. I forgot to do it. So we'll just say the Brian Jonestown Massacre himself.

[D]

I don't. I could never.

[C]

But Riley Bray, you're as close as we got, babe.

[A]

Yeah. Riley, you're it. You're a psychonaut. Deal with it.

[C]

Yeah, I'll take it.

[D]

Yeah, you're right.

[B]

So with us today, we have two lovely boys. Gentlemen, I should say men. Men, not boys.

[A]

We're. Ask our wives. We're. Yeah.

[D]

A couple of lovely boys.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'd have chewing gum, a slingshot, and a comic book.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

What's it.

[A]

I have a. I have a switchblade. There you go. And nicotine lozenge. I'm a boy. I'm not ready. I'm not clay man yet. Like, who else gets marketed to and buys a switchblade? Me. I just got one with a pen that comes out. The knife comes out of the back of the pen. My poor wife. She's like, why'd you get this? No, the knife shoots out of the switchblade. It's good we have this. We're gonna might need it.

[B]

What's in your boy briefcase? What's in the front pocket of your Osh posh. Oshkosh b' gosh overalls?

[D]

Let's just see what's on my desk right now. I have a little skull shaker.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that's great.

[D]

That's got a giant. Giant eraser. Really big eraser.

[C]

Great eraser.

[D]

TV remote.

[C]

You know, eraser is like a time.

[D]

A couple cans of film. So, you know.

[C]

Oh, right, yeah.

[B]

You're, you know, you're the documentarian of the crew. Eric's literally the muscle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Steve's the jokester. And then I. I've got a ghoster sticker, and I have some baseball cards, so I'll be the archivist.

[A]

What baseball cards, Mike? What are those?

[B]

I just got the new 2026 top 75th anniversary, fresh off the truck.

[A]

Oh, have you opened them yet?

[B]

Not yet. I got a little blister pack.

[A]

My blisters Jersey card. Because I always. I nerd out. I. Because I just have not incredible luck opening. So I buy singles, and there's an Ohtani Jersey card I think I will buy. That's about the cost of a box. I. I'm obsessed.

[B]

Listen, I don't know if you guys know, first of all. Okay, let me bring you guys in. They're the Co hosts of the podcast Weird. Here to help. Which drops on Fridays. Is it Fridays? Can I say Friday?

[A]

Every other Friday?

[B]

Every other Friday.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

You might see it on a Friday. It's part of the show. We're here to help, but you know them already from Bigfoot Collectors Club and from High Strangeness, if you're talking to Mr. Burke Club scouts of all timelines, please welcome back to the show for the first time together, best friends, actor Steve Bergen. Eric Edelstein. Now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Wow. Eric, am I saying it wrong? This is it Edelstein or Edelstein? Because I was called.

[A]

I respond to either. I grew up Edelstein, but I think it's because I had a contrari. No, but everybody says 20 years, and I've been told I'm saying it wrong, and I'm like, I had a contrarian great grandfather. What do you want? I don't. I don't know. So I go by either. And I've been told them, technically, it should be Edelstein, and that's the Americanization. But some guy in Spokane came over from the old country and insists, no, we are Edelstein. That's the proper way. So who knows? But I respond to either, and I don't. I think both are right. We're going to say. I mean, but I. I think this is an amazing week to. To be on the show with you guys, because I truly think. Two days ago, we had a soft beginning of disclosure.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Oh, I mean, really, truly think with our former president, when Obama said, buddy, buddy, timeout felt like the beginning.

[B]

Buddy, buddy, Time out. Because I got this queued up. Riley, hit that. Get ready, because we have some. Basic news. All right, Eric, you already queued it up. Too big.

[A]

It's an honor to be here for this with. With you three.

[B]

Come on. You think we're gonna talk about this at the top of the show?

[A]

It's too big. It's too big.

[B]

Usually I'm pulling up links with, like, the independent UK or the Daily Mail. This is from Time. Time magazine. Okay, buckle up. Barack Obama says aliens are real, but they aren't being kept at Area 51. Former President Barack Obama said in an interview published Saturday that aliens are real, but added that he had not seen them. Asked by progressive podcaster Brian Tyler Cohen about the existence of extraterrestrial life, the former president responded, well, they're real, but I haven't seen them. They're not being kept at Area 51. There's no underground facility. Unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hide it from the President of the United States.

[A]

Potentially very likely.

[B]

I think that's 100% likely. The interviewer did not ask a follow up question on the topic.

[A]

That is what's wild and like. I'm sorry, Brian, if you're listening, motherfucker, put the weed down. You got a follow up when President Obama says the aliens are real. Many go on. Now, something else I want to ask about. Nancy Pelosi. You have a problem. They should take your podcast like Pete Rose and baseball man. I mean, are you kidding? No follow up needed.

[C]

May I say something?

[A]

Did you? Please.

[C]

Obama came out with a rebuttal, like immediately and said. Yeah, I'm more referring to that like, the universe is very vast and there must be alien life.

[B]

I got it. I got the quote right here, Steve. He said, I was trying to stick with the spirit of the speed round, but since it's gotten attention. Let me clarify. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good that there's life out there, but the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low. And I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really? So they got.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Who got?

[A]

The same people that didn't tell.

[B]

Look, I don't know.

[C]

As you know, I believe there's something genuine to the UFO phenomenon that's high, strange and external from humans. But I don't think that's a disclosure of anything other than like a fun bit. I mean, like all the presidents on, like Jimmy Campbell have said the same thing and while laughing through it. Yeah, Hillary, when she rebranded, rebranded from UFO to uap, which I will. I'll never. I'll never say uap.

[B]

No.

[A]

Is that her, Steve? Really?

[C]

Yeah, she rebranded it.

[B]

She rebranded it.

[C]

That's what it. And Jimmy Kimmel, she came and say, well, no, we call them UAPs now. And then it took off as UAP.

[A]

No, I didn't know this, Steve.

[C]

People were calling it a uap, like Lou Elizondo and people like that.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

yeah.

[C]

I mean, yeah, nerds like that. But like. But Hillary ran with it and blew it up to the unnatural scale.

[B]

I did not realize this. I always thought it was Louis Alizando.

[C]

I think. I think they're his, like, little group came up with it. Maybe. I don't. I'm not convinced Louisiana actually had any kind of formal involvement with UFOs other than he. He liked, like them.

[B]

Yeah, see. Did you ever watch Age of Disclosure? Did you watch the documentary? Come on.

[C]

Couldn't stand it.

[B]

You couldn't get. You didn't even. Did you try it?

[C]

I watched the entire thing. I paid for it.

[A]

And yeah, it's like 20 bucks. That's what you got to eat from it. One Andrew Jackson. No, thank you. Rather buy a switchblade pen.

[C]

I will never believe anything coming out from that, that camp. Like the Lou Elizondo. Marco Rubio.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Hold on. Marco Rubio.

[C]

Oh, Rubio's all over it.

[A]

He is. No. Is he really?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Well, it was wild. And another thing that kind of shocked me was Rubio gave this huge speech in Europe, basically saying we're in a whole new era. And he's like, we do have some things in common. Shared cultural history and a shared Christian religion. He straight up said that. He didn't say Judeo Christian. He just said, truly. Look this up. He said a shared Christian religion. And it's another one of those things that kind of shocked me. It wasn't a bigger story because I'm like, whoa, that's completely wild and very strange to me.

[C]

We're not sure of Waters.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I think the quiet part where

[A]

we are, as we used to say, it was a 24 hour news cycle. We have blown past that. It's like a 24 second news cycle.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's a 24 frames per second news cycle.

[C]

Done that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's very good.

[C]

Standard film speed.

[B]

The thing that I liked about Age of Disclosure, we talked about this over on the other side is I do think, like I, I listen, I don't necessarily trust. I think they're unreliable narrators. But there were two takeaways that I really dug. One is that I thought it helped frame the conspiracy mindset of what people think the government knows since 1947 in a very clear thread that, that you did not need a lot of red yarn to, to. To. To piece together. And in a way that made sense that there were old school guys that had been around since Roswell that were like, we are not talking about it. And that there was another generation of people that are like, we should be talking about it. And what it really all comes down to is like we. It all comes down to old Cold war and just not wanting people to know what, what we know versus what they know. Yeah. Not that any of this information is new, but I thought that that through line was very clear and it made me go, okay, this makes sense.

[C]

It would be a good documentary to show someone who was brand new to the topic, I think.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

However, I think so much of the information is really shady and bad.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I also don't think it's. I mean, I hear. But I do hear you, like, in terms of, like, they put together a nice slick documentary with. With a pretty decent timeline from post World War II till present day. Yeah, I'll give it that.

[B]

So I like that. And then I do like the pitch. We've heard a ton of them, but I do like the pitch about the reality distortion field around these crafts and that's how they manipulate time and space. That's fun. That's just fun.

[C]

Yeah, but that's weird fun.

[B]

That's weird fun. But the rest of it, who knows? Who cares? There's no proof here. And it also leaves out a lot of the fun. Like the Pascagoula lobster, aliens. They're not anywhere in this stuff.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I'm always. I. I mean, this is the. Here comes my paranoid left, left, lefty side. But, like, anytime it's military or government bill, I really just kind of sweep it. I'm like, yep, don't. I don't care. They have an agenda. They're answering to somebody. I believe Farmer Joe in Northern Iowa who had like a, you know, a purple fuzzball.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Cultural thought.

[A]

And I'm with you there, Steve, because that's where I thought the Obama. This might be the beginning of disclosure, because there's nobody better to put a happy face on some very nasty stuff than Obama, whether it be disclosure or drones. It's kind of. Yeah, like, you know, that's why it's interesting. I didn't know that he kind of walked it back because when I heard that, that was the beginning. Because if Trump did it, no one would believe it. I'm also convinced if that's why they waited to launch the vaccine until after Trump left. Because I think if Trump had announced the vaccine, he's like, this is Operation Warp Speed. This is the best thing I've ever done. I think you would have had a huge anti vax from the left, potentially, myself included. So, like, I don't know when I first saw that. I'm like. And it didn't get much attention. Like, is it beginning? And if it was beginning, who better to do it than Obama?

[B]

Please, sir, you say it, Steve,

[A]

Wasn't

[C]

that a rap metal opening to a rap metal flag in the early 2000s? Yeah, that's where it all went wrong. So here I have. So here. Actually, I want to say this because I heard this. I Don't know if it's true but about a year ago fellas we had just because they were drones, they're still unidentified. We had our an actual UFO flap which was the New Jersey drone.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[C]

Identified. I mean I'm not saying they were alien or you know, of high strangeness origin. However I did just hear in. Granted the source has not been verified that the, the source of the drones was determined and that it was Palantir.

[B]

That makes sense.

[C]

No, I don't know. And it was a gathering data gathering operation or test. I don't know if that's true but I kind of believe it. Yeah, I do too believe.

[D]

Yeah, I'm inclined to believe that.

[A]

Well because they also they have these cameras now everywhere and all these cities have bought in and it's very few that haven't that can track you. So now they can track every one of our cars where, where we're going. And I'm sure they'd be very disappointed tracking me like cheap strip mall Chinese food again. Come on big guy, mix in a vegetable.

[B]

This guy's been at Jersey Mike's three times this week.

[A]

Yeah, he is living Mike's way.

[C]

He's definitely doing.

[A]

Stuff's here and it's again something we haven't rebelled against. You see them everywhere. They're, they're, they're up high, they're like this and they're tracking everything.

[B]

Look at this jagoff. He drove past it, he made a U turn and then he went back. He changed his mind.

[A]

He drove extra far because of the. The one Jersey Mics that has the drive through on Colorado Boulevard. There's too closer to him. He doesn't want to get out of his car for my Sway.

[C]

I don't need a sandwich but that Red Vinnie is calling my name.

[A]

Oh, you got to get extra Red Vinnie.

[C]

Oh, they make a good sandwich.

[A]

I will say they really do. For now. For now private equity has bought them.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Clock, clock's ticking guys.

[B]

You got about six months on that Jersey Mike's quality before.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Do it now.

[A]

Mike's way is going to be glyphosate.

[C]

Oh, Eric.

[A]

Sorry, bud. Sorry. Enjoy it while you can. Private equity, public menace.

[D]

Nature of the east.

[B]

Riley, what do you think about this Obama thing before we move on?

[D]

I think he was just being affable. But I like that the conversation turned to our discussion of the surveillance state and private equity because you know, fuck that.

[B]

Also just like I think Obama's one of those people too that like every now and then he, like, he needs to be reminded that he was President of the United States. Like, not because he's forgetful, but just like, it's like when they came out with that movie where it was like that post apocalyptic movie where there was like this technology that was gonna. It was a Netflix movie a couple years ago, and it was all about like, the grid gets wiped out, the digital grids wiped out. And people were like, they're telling us that this is what an enemy's gonna do. Obama produced this movie and he's telling us. It's like, buddy, you gotta remember, when you talk about aliens off the cuff, or you, if you produce science fiction movies, people are gonna think you actually.

[C]

Well, to bolster exactly what you're just saying, the Obamas are, I assume, executive producing. I don't think Barack's going to be a line producer on this, but they are doing a Betty.

[A]

And how about you spending on catering? This is outrageous.

[C]

Take it on a petty cash.

[A]

I understand these two big guys, like Jersey Mike's.

[B]

I told you, it's about six months into private equity. Jersey Mike's. We got to get this now because it's not going to be good.

[A]

Sorry, Steve. Go ahead, brother.

[C]

No, but they're producing a film about, you know, the quote, unquote, you know, people who ushered in the abduction era of UFOs with Betty and Barney Hill, the most famous abduction case. So they are doing that, which. Well, that case is also interesting in a multitude of ways. Where was it? A scop.

[B]

There's that. And then also they were an interracial couple, so I can see it's like, it's, it's like African American history. So it's like, I can see a lot of good angles in this story, so. All right, well, we'll find out. I mean, I, I, you know what? I think he believes in him. I don't think he's seen him. So I think he's telling the truth. You know, I just think he's talking out of both sides of his mouth a little bit because he realized I better, I better calm down here because I can't say this shit without people freaking out.

[D]

Obama, if you're.

[A]

Barry's also one of us on the show. Like, he is sometimes when I look at his. Because, you know, his first book, I've read all his books. His, his most recent one is fascinating because I'm a huge presidential nut. I've been into presidential history my whole life. And he wrote this book. Like, there's not A ghostwriter. And it's really funny. My dad's a brilliant guy and he. And I'm like this. I can't imagine another president writing a book this good. My dad's like, you know who's an amazing writer was Lincoln. And then I went down that rabbit hole. And Lincoln was also an incredible writer. But the honesty he has and some of the perhaps issues some progressive folks might have with him, he is up front. Look, I did the best I could in the situation we did. I couldn't get the votes for health care and the public option. But it's really interesting because when you read his first book, I don't think he really thought he was gonna be president when he wrote it. He was so young. And he's like, new York was interesting. Cause I quit smoking weed every day. And there's part of me when I look at like his summer playlist, I'm like, I think Barry's burning it again. I think he's in Hawaii, Martha's Vineyard, saying, I'm step outside real quick, Brock. And like, I think deep down he's kind of got a little bit of stoner UFO interest in him. You know, I kind of sense that.

[B]

You know, Eric, actually my sources told me that Obama did have a ghostwriter on his book. It was Abraham Lincoln's ghost. Better. Come on.

[A]

Yeah. Obama's so careful.

[B]

Lincoln shows.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's right, baby. Four. Four score and seven chapters ago.

[D]

Let's go.

[B]

All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to have some more fun with these idiots.

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Bye.

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All right, we're back with Eric Adelstein and Steve Berg from Weird here to help. Tell us about the podcast. We didn't even get into to the top of the show. What are you guys getting up to together?

[C]

Well, Eric, you want to take it away?

[A]

Yeah. So our buddies Jake Johnson and Gareth Reynolds started this incredible advice podcast called We're Here to Help. That is as good as it gets. And they're amazing, but, you know, neither of them have much patience for bullshit, esoterica, pseudoscience. And that's where we come in. The questions and queries that are just too weird for those guys to deal with. That's where Steve and I thrive, and that's where Seabiscuit just kind of starts running around the track. So all of those kind of questions, Steve and I tackle with Grace, you know, a bartender that's dealing with an energy vampire in his bar. Yeah, we're here to help. We're here to help.

[C]

A woman who needs to help wants to clean her house, you know, of evil, evil energy.

[A]

And Steve is just. We just had an amazing one of someone's dead grandmother passed on a haunted electronic Christmas tree that was turning on without batteries, without being plugged in. So that is being shipped to Steve, and he's gonna start doing some experiments on it. We're get to the bottom of all this stuff. So we are deeply swimming in the weird over there, and we're so glad that we have an outlet together to do stuff.

[B]

Steve, what are you going to do when you find a little grandma in there?

[A]

I won't touch it.

[C]

I'm so scared.

[A]

I won't. Ouija board. I don't want any of it.

[C]

I can't imagine finding, like, a little grandma inside of that because the scariest image I've ever seen in my entire life is the end of Mulholland Drive when the two old. The old folks become little. Start chasing Naomi Watts around. Yeah, I mean, that, like, made me, like, pass out. Like, I. So to find a little grandma, Michael might. Might just end it.

[D]

He's playing with fire.

[A]

Here he is he truly tiny grandma fire.

[B]

Okay, so I want. I want you guys, because what we're doing this week is we are dipping back into the L files, also known as the listener files. These are stories that people have been writing to us since the dawn of the show and with their own paranormal experiences. Now, I don't know if any of them are going to be asking for help necessarily, but I would like to hear once we're we read through these what maybe your advice would be for these people going through this situation. So we're gonna. We will we ask for your expertise as. As a duo, if that's okay with you guys.

[C]

A course of action.

[B]

Great. Before we dip in, why don't we nominate our five star club Scout of the week. This is a friend who's given us a five star review on Apple podcasts, which does help us get the show noticed by more people.

[D]

Well, this is from Witchy Warden 47. And the warden says, I'll be ccing you loving this show. And it was B, C, C ing. It's a little wordplay from the warden. And the review is as follows. Michael and Riley always make me feel like I'm catching up with friends about all the crazy, weird things in the world of high strangeness. With one big foot in and out. Little foot out. Oh, one little foot out. There we go. Cold read and a healthy dose of wonderment. I understand that sentence now. With one big foot in and one little foot out.

[B]

There you go.

[D]

And a healthy dose of wonderment. This podcast is everything I need to scratch that paranormal itch in a hilarious and familiar way. Five stars. Wow.

[B]

Thank you, Richie Warden.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

Thank you, Witchy Warden.

[C]

You guys do have buddy vibes.

[B]

Buddy vibes.

[D]

It's because we're actually friends and it's real.

[A]

It's not fake.

[C]

It is real. It's as real as it gets. And I love it.

[D]

If you're not friends after doing this for this long, like I, you know.

[C]

Yeah, well, what the listeners don't know is that once they.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they don't speak. We're not allowed to talk to and bring them up to each other. Yeah, I think we've all experienced that on sets and I think it's why we should have had a real discussion of narcissism in 2016. Because you get on these sets and a lot of times you'll drive up, you get checked in, person's not happy, Get a hair, make him not happy. Like, oh, I'm about to meet a real gem today. And part of what narcissists do is they divide. So you'll even be a guest star and you'll see this a narcissist. You're talking to them and you're like, wow, that's weird. Yeah, I'm thrilled that none of that is alive here in the Bigfoot Collectors Club. It's a really interesting thing.

[B]

I once heard a nightmare story. I'll tell you guys off Mike About a very well known and successful television actor who would torture his co star, female co star, anytime she would get time off to, like go to a wedding or go do a family thing. This actor would, because he was number one on the call sheet, would suddenly come up with a conflict and up her entire life because he wanted to control and make sure that they. This at the actor, his co star, his leading lady would not be able to, like, do anything outside of work under her own control.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

And would also, like, lock himself in his trailer if there was a. If there was a basketball game on. He would make the entire crew wait if they were set up until the game was over to go shoot.

[D]

That's insane.

[B]

I just saw they just got another leading role in a new show. I can't believe this person is. This is like. And this is like a PA who told me all of these stories. And it's like, if you're an asshole, there are people watching and they will let you know.

[C]

Yeah. I love how.

[A]

And a lot of times it does affect them. It catches up to most. That's why it's disappointing to hear this person got another one. Because I think you can really get away with being an animal once on a show. And there's people that are. But a lot of times you look like what happened to that person. You. You get answers, but some people just keep rolling.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Oh, I hate that.

[B]

Alrighty. Well, let's set narcissism aside for just a moment and let's bring in the nightmares of our listeners. I don't know how to segue out of that one. Here we go. I'm gonna pop in. Here's the first cell file. Now, if you have a story you want to share with us, please write to [e-mail] or please leave us an under 5 minute voicemail or voice memo to the email address. We'd love to hear your voice on the show. I got some really good Bigfoot stuff recently, but it was like 20 minutes long and we just can't do it so long, guys. It's. It's not that we're not interested, it's just that we can't put it on the show if it's that long. So try to keep it three to five minutes. Five minutes is even a little long. So here we go. Hey, Michael, Riley Applesauce and the rest of the apple gang. And Eric and Steve, Listening to your Wisconsin episode made me recall this incident. I haven't thought about it in a while. Because honestly, I've tried to block it out. Not much scares me to the degree that this did. I've written before. Honeymoon Ghost update. Coming up on that Barksdale bubble haunted rehab I worked at. I'm a mental health professional in Louisiana, and my husband and I are both witchy people and well acquainted with the paranormal. This requires a little bit of backstory. My husband Zach is a huge Tolkien fan. It turns out that he was the lar he that the largest collection of privately owned Tolkien notes, manuscripts and artwork is housed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, of all places. I didn't know that.

[C]

I didn't either.

[B]

That's not too far from you, Steve. You gotta go there and check it out.

[C]

I do. Also HP Lovecraft. The Arkham Museum, I think is there too. Well, don't get me started in Wisconsin. We'll talk about it.

[B]

Why is it not that not on the east coast, in the Northeast? I don't understand. Tolkien never set foot in the US Much less the Midwest. But Marquette University is in Milwaukee. It's a Catholic University. In the 1960s, the person in charge of the library decided that they should begin a collection of the works of prolific Catholic authors. He wrote to Tolkien requesting some of his notes, manuscripts, and artwork. It turns out Tolkien needed to pay his taxes to the UK government, so he sold a collection. It's good to know that you could, like, write one of the greatest works of, like, Western literature of all time and still forget to, like, pay your taxes.

[C]

Whoopsie daisy.

[A]

Oopsie.

[B]

Not responsible. So he sold a collection of his notes and works to Marquette for the price of what he owed the British government. He shipped a lot of stuff over to Wisconsin. The collection is guy. Who knew that, like, I feel like I would never guess a junior. Our Tolkien had so much in common with like, OJ Simpson selling off memorabilia.

[C]

Also, like, I mean, that must have been massive similarities because, I mean, Tolkien was huge when he was alive. It's not like he was a posthumously famous.

[B]

The collection is kept in the library archives. It's such a large collection that they can only take a small portion out of at a time to show it to the public, which they do about twice a year. In March of 2024, they did the first showing since COVID By the time I found out this information, there was already a wait list. The exhibit and presentation are free, but you must reserve your ticket. They only allow up to 60 people to attend, and I added our names to the wait list. In January, three days before the event, we got an email saying there were cancellations and we were first on the list. I can't wait to see where this goes, because so far there's just a d detailed story about getting reservations for the Tolkien archives.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

We scrambled to arrange our schedules and finances and we made it happen. It was incredible, and I recommend any fan of Tolkien to jump at the chance to go if they ever get it. Now, aside from housing a Tolkien collection at Chris Farley's alma mater and having the Miller Brewery and cheese curds, on a darker note, Milwaukee is also unfair, fortunately known as the home and hunting ground of the infamous serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

Like many people, I have slight morbid fascination with true crime. We got to meet up with Zach's cousin Jess, who lives in Milwaukee. She texted us after we got there and said she would pick us up and give us a tour. She said that she could show us where Dahmer lived. My response was, you had me at dmer. It's also the end of that sentence

[A]

that is the funniest.

[C]

That might be one of the funniest things ever heard in my life.

[B]

Again, so far, I just want to say, just. This is just a story about a vacation, so I'm learning a lot.

[A]

Yeah, you had me at dmer.

[C]

You had me at dmer.

[B]

She drove us by the place where D's apartment building was. It is currently an empty lot. The building was torn down. All attempts to develop it have failed. We only drove by, as Jess informed us, it was located in a dodgy part of town and she didn't recommend getting out and walking around. Now I am just thinking about this letter writer and I think they might be from the uk if this helps put into context, like so, they came all the way from the Midwest, from either Scotland or England. I can't remember where they are. So sorry, Victoria. Where was I? I had planned to take a photo, but when we were there, parked by that spot, I could not. The energy was heavy and oppressive and overwhelming. Seemingly negative. I tried to shake it off, but it was something primal and instinctual, like a panicked evolutionary response in prey animals. I did not take a photo because I wanted to take no part of that with me. Spoiler alert. It followed me anyway. Later that night, I woke up in a panic. I woke my husband and made him switch sides of me. I could not talk, tolerate being close to the door. I felt the presence of evil in the room. I kept seeing movement in the shadows. It was some of the deepest terror I have ever felt. My nervous system was lit up and sounded every alarm. My heart was racing. I was going into a panic attack and it felt like a runaway train. Thankfully, my husband was able to help me ground myself. We did a cleansing ritual and called in our protectors and our guides. It worked. The feeling began to dissipate. Eventually, I was able to go asleep. Go to sleep. When we later reflected on this, we didn't believe it was actually Dahmer. We think it was just left over dark energy that clung to us from visiting the locations where he committed his crimes. I believe that kind of intense energy leaves a stain. And sometimes you just can't get a stain out of a place. That part of town is dodgy. The light has never managed to be developed. Some of that negative energy rubbed off on us briefly. Thankfully, we were able to get rid of it. Moral of the story, Be careful with your curiosity. If you go looking for something, you might actually find it. Always use spiritual protection now. Honeymoon ghost update. Now, this is a past. They had seen a ghost in their hotel room. James is very still. And follow them home. I think the honeymoon ghost, James. James is still very much around and he's given me a mission to write a historical novel based on his story. So there's a ghosted hitchhiker that followed him, right? Yes.

[C]

Are they channeling. Are they channeling the. The story?

[B]

Well, they had found, I think they had like located this person who had actually died based on their experiences and some ghost stories about this person in the hotel. And I'm sorry, I forgot. I think this is maybe.

[D]

Was there like familial relation or something too?

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Coming back.

[B]

This is in Scotland. Yeah. I've confirmed through ancestry that he is a distant cousin on my mother's side.

[A]

That's what it was.

[B]

And In July of 2025, I toured his hometown in Scotland and the battlefields he fought and died on in France. In France and Belgium. I even got to visit his grave. I'm about halfway through the first draft of his story. You can follow my novel Progress and First World War Research at the Trench press on Substack. I update more on Facebook, but I also have an Instagram. Love you guys. Victoria. Very cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And that letter was written as by a novelist because it really could have gone. So I went to Milwaukee and then. But instead. Yeah, we got the specific history of a great.

[C]

Yeah, it's great.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

Victoria.

[C]

I would love to know how much he owed because, I mean, like, think about, like his, like, estate and if he had kids and they're like, dad, dude, had you just paid your taxes, we would never have to work because he gave away your whole collection.

[B]

He must have owed a lot of money, a lot of bread. My guess is he was one of those writers that like was so broke in the early years and you know, because there was some downtime after Lord of the Rings came out. It wasn't really until, like, I could be wrong, correct me if I am, but I think like it really got a big, huge, popular second wind in the 60s during your life.

[C]

No, you're right. Yeah.

[B]

And it was written before then. So I think delayed massive success and then suddenly was probably making a ton of money and was like, oh, right, taxes. I never paid those before.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So whoopsie. I made a bed and then, you know, built, bought a bunch of cool and then realized that he didn't withdraw anything, withhold anything. Okay, so what do you guys think now? We did get some good advice at the end of the story where Victoria says, you know, protection spells, let's see, ward up. What were they saying? Be careful with the curiosity. You might actually find it. Use spiritual protection. So that's, that is good advice that she gives us about this. I'm actually going to say, Eric and Steve, what is your advice for trying to reopen the empty lot full of bad energy? What are you going to put where the Dahmer building used to be?

[C]

Here's how I feel about that restaurant.

[D]

Right.

[C]

I don't know those private equity owned Jersey. A question I have before we jump into that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, don't you think though, like every piece of land in the lower 48 or in anywhere in the world have like just multiple atrocities underneath it. Like, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like I always wonder like, you know, with like Dahmer and like, you know, even you go to like some of these Civil war places that are like full of ghost stories. I wonder if like expectation and psychic concentration of people visiting and their expectations do create something weird. A weird energy is something like if enough people go to a certain place, have expectations and they are thinking about the lore of the place, that maybe it just thins the veil a little bit. I don't know. It's an idea I like to kick around because I'm not. I mean like the dead person hypothesis, you know, explaining like ghosts or negative energy is definitely compelling and very well could be it. But there's also other ways to think about it. Perhaps. Anyways, that wasn't your question. I just Want to throw it out there to you guys. What do you think?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I agree there's a lot of bad stuff that happens in a lot of places now. I don't know. I don't think anyone in this apartment building has ever tried to create zombies. I could be wrong about that. But I don't think they ever found multiple bodies in like 50 gallon drums and like heads in the refrigerator in this building. I'm not. You know, a lot of weird shit happens in Hollywood. Okay. I'm not saying that to your point. So I do think that this is probably an area of high concentration of traumatic dark energy.

[C]

So much pain and suffering.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. And then added and fueled by lore, looky lose people coming and bringing their energy to it. You know, there's got to be some people who come and do some weird, probably negative rituals there, you know, in the dead of night.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So who knows? I do think that this could be like an energy field for negative. Negative. And maybe what if it was before he even moved in and sort of

[C]

like, you know, 500 years ago. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, added to, you know, maybe he's just part of the chain in the long. A link in the chain of dark legacy.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, I like the stolen land, Mila.

[B]

Come on, baby.

[A]

Alice Cooper.

[C]

Just dropping Alice Cooper from Wayne's World.

[A]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That was just land first.

[B]

No, it was not.

[C]

Well, I'll tell you what. In terms of answering the question advice of what they put there, I always think you make lemons out of lemonade, which is a light way of putting them on. Wait,

[B]

lemons out of lemonade?

[C]

Oh, no, no, they're reverse. I mean, lemonades out of lemon. You know, the phrase, phraseology is put together. Do the math, people. I'm very stupid. I would say, what if they put up something wonderful, like a nice, like, beautiful park with like, you know, wonderful exotic gym set and stuff?

[B]

Yeah. Just get you people go there to work out. I like, I like that you added that part to it. You know, not just like a quiet remembrance place of remembrance, but also like a place where you could like, you know, max out. You know, looks max.

[C]

Put up 300 on the bench.

[D]

Yeah. Never congregate in parks, so that. That'll probably go well.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. I believe in residual energy, and I also believe you can invite that stuff in. Steve and I have talked about this a ton. I don't believe that, you know, the. The world I believe in, there's not a person Trapped for eternity somewhere. Even. Even Jeff. But I think you can invite that stuff in. And if you have all that energy there, I'd go far from it. But unfortunately, there are enough true crime nuts out there. You could probably do a really hip Airbnb. You put that in, we recreate some of Dahmer's recipes. I mean, you know, you could turn it into a tourist thing. Now, my positive tourist thing, I'm determined to see near Wisconsin when I go. But it's positive. Death celebration is. I am determined. Next time I go to Wisconsin, I'm gonna take a special trip and I'm gonna see the grave of Bill Borchard. Uncle Bill from American Uncle Bill.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I had a. I could not find his grave online for years. And then last. I watch American Movie every Thanksgiving, and I heard Mark say, when he's at the bank, how am I supposed to know what you're doing? I don't have the books. And he goes, dude, it's all in your name. Willis Borchardt. And then I looked up Willis Borchardt. You think it's William because he calls him William at one point. What do you think about that? William? That's your secondary lead. But Willis Borchardt. And then I found the grave. So I will be going to visit that and celebrate light and love and the great Uncle Bill. And that's what I recommend. Go to Milwaukee. Go see Uncle Bill. Stay far away from Dahmer's place.

[B]

Didn't. Yeah. Just don't go there. Did Mike. Didn't Mike just pass away, too?

[C]

Yeah, Mike. We lost Mike about a year ago.

[A]

Such a loss. Derek Waters and I used to. Used to prank call Mike because they gave out his number. Yeah. And it was really his number. And like. Well, I'm just kind of sitting here, you know, kind of hanging out tonight, listening to some cassettes, you know, and he would talk to us. Yeah. And then we prank called Tom Shimmels once as Mike. I'm like, well, Tom, I'm sitting here kind of thinking that Mark's trying to get me to drink again and go to Jim Mitchell's, you know, and then Tom believed. He's like, mike, you need to stay out of those slippery situations.

[B]

I love that scene where he's just talking about doing LSD and watching deer and making deep eye contact with the deer.

[C]

What a hero. It's really one of the greatest movies, at least of the 90s, maybe of all time, though. It's perfect.

[A]

And I highly recommend watch it every Thanksgiving. There's not really. I don't think there's a definitive Thanksgiving. The Thanksgiving scene in that is so perfect. When Mark takes a huge bite out of the turkey leg at the end. What am I doing? I'm washing Bill's clothes. Fucking man's inhumanity. Demand. And like, I put it on every Thanksgiving. My wife has no need to watch it again, so she goes to bed and I put it on. And I have a gratitude list. And I highly recommend that movie on Thanksgiving. You'll have no complaints. No, it's coming.

[C]

Vhs.

[A]

Well, what do you mean? Those two dots? Yeah, vhs. Like it was. It's a. It's one of the greatest movies ever. And I think Mark Burchard, I might have hero for cinema. I don't. I hope he realizes how many of us he inspired. I think he's frustrated and doesn't always understand the love we have for him because he's like, dude, I haven't made that movie yet, man. We still haven't made Northwestern. But it's like there's so many people that, like, he's a soldier for cinema. He loves so much. He's such a special guy.

[B]

Amen. Amen. All right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back, we got more L files to dip into.

[C]

Mama.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Well, Eric, he got such a great voice. Steve, you do too, but you volunteered your partner for this next L file. Read. Eric, what does our next listener.

[A]

Oh, I'm so excited. Let me pull it up here.

[B]

This is file for everyone. Our friend. This is a great Giano.

[A]

Okay. Okay, Gianna. Hey, guys, I've got an L file you might be interested in. Kind of long, but see what you think. In 2014, my wife and I were staying at a cabin in the Michigan woods, right on the border of the Manistee National Forest. It was an awesome country spot, the kind of place where a flock of wild turkeys roamed through the property one day. Deer were frequent visitors, and we saw what looked like a bobcat nearby. One afternoon, our last night there, we were sitting out back with our two dogs, watching the fire burn down to embers in the fire pit. Your listeners are great writers, by the way. These are.

[B]

I was gonna say.

[C]

Yeah, I travel on. Very detailed.

[A]

So well written. This is so fun. Watching the fire burn down to embers in the fire pit, Crickets were chirping. Whippoorwills were sounding their tremors rumbling mating calls. A pack of coyotes yipping in the distance. Then in the forest to our right, we heard what can only be described as a cross between a yell and a howl. Human, but not human. It started low and rose in pitch and volume until it felt like the whole forest was quaking. We froze. Just as the first call ended, a second call picked up, this one coming from the woods to our left. It lasted a good six or seven seconds. Almost as soon as the second call finished, we heard the squealing of a coyote in acute distress. A death screech, which, if you've ever heard one, you know how awful this is to hear. And then it was followed by some lower, more guttural grounding sounds in the woods. At one point, one of our dogs, Tonka, 120 pound Great Pyrenees, which are bred to guard flocks of sheep at night, began snarling and lunging toward the tree line. Pirs are well known for their highly calibrated aggression threshold, and I'd never seen Tonka get the least bit agitated before or since, which begs the question, what made him react that way? After the sounds died out, we brought Tonka closer to the fire and tried to calm him down. The woods had grown silent. The whippoorwills and crickets had stopped. We waited a few more minutes, but once the fire went out, we decided we'd be a lot safer inside the cabin. I posted about this on my tumblr page when it first happened, and I was surprised when several people commented that it sounds like we'd had a Michigan Dogman encounter. I'd never heard of the Dogman at the time, but I've done a lot of research since and now know that the Manistee National Forest is prime Dogman terrace. I still maintain that what we heard sounded like a Bigfoot, but who knows? Anyway, that's the story and I'm sticking to it. I love you guys and love the show. What a read, Eric. All the best, Giano. Oh, wow.

[B]

Oh, wow, wow, wow.

[A]

That's a good one.

[B]

This is great.

[A]

That is great.

[B]

What? Okay, what do you think? I mean, you called it, Steve. Top of the letter.

[C]

Once I heard northern Michigan, I'm like, well, that's. I mean, probably the most Dogman ish place in the whole country that in like central Kentucky. But like Dogman goes way back. I mean, also the Wendigo goes way back to in northern Michigan. And Bigfoot, of course. Also even more cryptids. John Tenney has, I think, cases of a walking deer man type thing from northern Michigan, buddy. Yeah, I've heard him mention that. Well, look, northern Michigan is high, strange central. They have a Little bit of everything there. Nice long UFO history too. But this sounds like classic dog man to me.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know, the, the terrifying sound of a predator being ripped apart by another predator. No, thank you. I mean, I. I would have just gotten up and left.

[C]

Yeah. In my car. Oh, left.

[A]

I'd be. The next sound you'd hear is a car pulling out. I mean, a terrified, frightened man.

[B]

I wouldn't have waited for the coyote to get killed. The moment I hear that I'm surrounded by these things, I'm out. I'm getting out of there.

[A]

So I love that the dog tried to help, that the dog went into action. I don't know what that's like. My dog herds me. My dog has some herder herds me to get her food, herds me. And I'm like, when does that happen? Like my dogs are there. That they would run into.

[B]

Are you kidding, Eric, I would give. No, I mean, I would give everything to hear you just read a series of. Of travelog adventures about you and your 120 pound Great Pyramid named Tonka. Told in the booklets that you just read it.

[A]

Worst shows will sell in Hollywood this week, friends. Let's get on. Let's go.

[B]

My journey's with Tonka.

[A]

We're gonna attach Tony Danza. He's gonna be a peach on set.

[B]

No, no, no. Not Tony Danza.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Trust me. I've heard a few things about alleged monster.

[A]

Did you ever see when Tony Danza had a reality show where he taught like junior high kids in New York? No.

[B]

Was he teaching them how to tap dance?

[A]

And I cannot recommend it enough.

[C]

Oh, I thought it was so funny.

[A]

The principal had to sit him down and tell him he had to start teaching more and quit telling Hollywood stories.

[C]

So here's.

[A]

So kids, here's what Bette Midler says to me. Not a joke. So I saw Judy Garland when I was a kid and like the kids are just glazed over here. Who's supposed to be teaching them history? You gotta find this td okay, Tony

[B]

Dan's reality teaching series.

[A]

It's kind of up there with Steven Seagal lawman Teach. It's so many days.

[B]

The show's called Teach. Hey, teach.

[C]

Hey, let me tell you about title ever.

[A]

Oh my God. Teach.

[B]

Tony Danza is a 2010 A E reality series documenting actor Tony Danza's experience as a 10th grade English teacher at Northeast High School in Philadelphia. Seven episodes,

[A]

probably 20. They, you know, then it hit that iceberg. But he could not stop telling Hollywood stories. And it was hysterical. It was so funny. For all the wrong reasons.

[B]

Oh, I gotta watch this.

[A]

Oh, you have a present waiting to be unwrapped. I promise.

[B]

Next sick day, I'm binging.

[A]

You're. You're welcome. You're welcome.

[C]

You want the flu? At this point, I'm here to help.

[B]

Now what. What advice do you give people that might be in the woods hearing a Dogman kill? What are you gonna do?

[C]

I mean, honestly is just self preservation time. In that case, I'm. I'm in a car. I'm driving to Detroit, going to Eminem's Spaghetti Kitchen and just calling it a day. And like, you know, that's it.

[A]

I'm going to that great casino in Greek town.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Great hotel, great casino. I'm so far away from dog man. I'm gonna call my dog. I'm gonna give my dog sedatives. There's a wonderful thing called right ratio, which is CBD with a little bit of thc. I highly recommend for senior dogs or dogs that have seen the Dogman.

[C]

I bet, I bet I'd like it too.

[A]

I bet you would. Lee's on it. Steve.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that your fear response is get me to a Greek casino.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, please. Detroit's going to be great cities in America's. Detroit goes, so goes this great nation.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. I. I'm gonna skip the next one. We might come back to it if we have time, Riley. But I have to read this one because, I mean, I had it queued up. But Steve, you're. You're. You're pressing it tonight. You're. You're in touch with something tonight, Steve.

[A]

Okay, here we go.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Hey.

[C]

Boo. Boys.

[B]

Plus potential guests. My name is Tinley and I've got a doozy of a story. This happened to me a couple years ago during the summer I. When I turned 16. For context, I live on a very large farm with hundreds of acres of hay fields surrounded by miles of woods. Basically, every day since I was a kid, I go on a 10ish minute walk down a gravel path behind my house that goes through a creek, past a few fields and eventually leads to our furthest back field that has a beautiful view of the sunset.

[D]

Oh, bucolic, idyllic childhood sounds so good.

[B]

This sounds like your neck of the woods almost, Stevie.

[C]

What a setting.

[B]

Now the woods part. What are you giggling at over there?

[A]

I just love him.

[B]

The woods part, perfectly. The woods part perfectly. To show the sun, I will attach a couple of pictures to help with visuals. I don't know if I got these photos, I'll have to go look. I know I don't have them here. I always go back there to watch the sunset and then walk home as it gets dark. So one evening when I was 16, I started back there for my daily sunset walk. I go down the gravel road barefoot. Yes, this is relevant. And make it to the back field and just sit in the grass and start taking pictures. As the sun was over halfway past the horizon, I noticed something in the tree line. Due to the sun being mostly gone. All I could see was the silhouettes of the trees and an outline of what I assumed to be a deer. Because I was a stupid teenager that had zero fear for nature in my body, I decided to try and get close to take a picture. Now I would say the distance between me and this deer was about the distance of a football field. I was on one side of the field, it was on the other side other. So my dumb self starts marching towards the deer thing and I get about halfway there when the form moves not towards me, not away, not to the left, not to the right, but up. It looked as if the deer silhouette stood onto its back feet. Now as a yippee ki yay ray raised kid, I know that some deer will stand up like this when they're about to fight another deer. So I just sort of backed up and gave up on my deer picture and headed back home. Now it was almost pitch black at this point when I had about a 10 minute walk back to my house. So as I start my walk back to the gravel road, I check behind me to see if the deer has left yet. I am so glad I did did because this deer wasn't a deer anymore. The silhouette changed again and it was taller. And the only way I can describe it is that it looked like the silhouette of a very tall man with his hands straight up in the air. No, you might be thinking I, I, I was just, I wasn't, I wasn't seeing it.

[A]

Well, let's go. I'm wearing his jersey right now. This is from his estate sale. Let's go. We went further. Bob Weir, thank you for my life.

[B]

Now you might just be thinking I wasn't seeing it well because of how dark it had gotten and that it was just a deer with some suddenly huge antlers I hadn't originally seen. But this is how I know it wasn't a deer standing up to get ready to fight. This figure was no longer in the tree line. It was now in the middle of the Field moving towards me and moving fast. Deer can't run on their back hooves. People all caps and they sure as heck can't do it for it. Fast. For a long time I obviously jump out of my skin and start booking it to the gravel road that leads to my house. I haven't really run this fast in my life and every time I glance back at this thing, it's chasing me and getting closer and closer. Another spooky detail about this is that I had to pass through a couple of open gates to get to the road. And if this was some kind of crazy deer chasing me, it would have just hopped the fences to get me quicker. But instead I watched this thing round every corner and basically went on the path I went on. So I made it to the gravel road and realized I can't fully run because I'm barefoot. I try my best, but the rocks are sharp and digging into my skin. This is when the silhouette gains ground. And by the way, not once did I make out any details on this thing. And by the time I got to the road, the only light source was the moon. In a panic, I successfully pull out my phone and run. And as I run call my dad. Through tears and barely any breath, all I can get out is someone is chasing me. I hear my dad drop his phone and slam the front door. Open up the hill. I can see my dad sprinting down the gravel road screaming get away from her. He jumps the gate between us and sprints past me. As soon as he runs behind me, I collapse into the dirt. Completely out of breath. I shakingly get out. Did you see it? I turn to look at my dad and he looks at me confused. He says I didn't see anything, but are you all right? After that, whatever it was never came back. And I talked to my uncle who is a hunter and wildlife expert and he says he can't think of an animal in our area that it could have been. I have no idea what the deer creature was. My level headed theory is that it was some kind of weird bear.

[C]

That's a really weird bear.

[B]

That was a weird ass bear. My BCC theory is that it was a s. Walker, I'm not gonna say the word. Or a Wendigo. My mom believes it was some kind of demonic spirit and once my dad, a pastor, came running and hightailed out of there. But you guys tell me what you think. Anyways, love the show. You guys get me through my long drives to and from college.

[C]

Peace. That is. Wow. First off, great read Michael. Thank you incredible second. That is a fantastic story. I would. You know what I mean? I'm sure they're listening because they're listening to the show. If you wouldn't mind emailing me at. At High Street High, like. Or email. I would love to. I would love to know the location of this, because I. I am getting Midwest vibes all over the place. This could be outside of Baldwin, Kansas, Michael.

[A]

I mean, it could be, but wow.

[B]

I mean, let. Let me and Steve know. Or email me and I'll let Steve know. Email me at BCC.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Bigfootcollectorsclubmail.com where you guys can send all of these letters where you're at. We won't share it.

[A]

No.

[B]

But we'll talk about it. And then, you know, maybe we'll come out, invest.

[C]

You'll do a little investigation. I mean, like, because you want to know, like, are there other stories similar to this in the area? Like, you know, you could do a real quick, like, little historical dig. But wow, what a great story. I mean, this is like, you know, dear man, like, we were just teeing up in northern Michigan a second ago.

[B]

I know. That's what I'm saying. You're prescient.

[C]

I will say this, though. One time, someone did again, I don't know if this is true. We could probably find it. Find out, I suppose. But, like, someone did say that chronic wasting disease is now becoming, like, a real problem with the deer population, and that chronic wasting disease can make deer behave erratic and, like, stand up for, like, okay, prolonged periods.

[A]

Oh, that's terrifying.

[C]

I don't know if that's true, though. That's just what someone told me when I was talking about, like, you know, a skeptic. Not a skeptic, but somebody kind of, like, said that about deer man. So I'm like, oh, what? That makes sense. I didn't know that.

[B]

I don't know. Look, if it's supernatural or not, the. The image of a tall man with, like, giant outstretched arms, like, reaching up into the sky, chasing you. That is terrifying enough.

[C]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[B]

Something weird's going on.

[C]

Like, honestly, if it's a. It was like a tall, thin man doing that. That's almost scarier to me. Like, nothing scares me more than human beings. Like, in, like, very, like, like real settings.

[B]

I'm like, now what?

[D]

I take, I take.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Dear man. Over that any day of the week.

[C]

I know, right?

[D]

Then this guy.

[A]

Oh, God, no, no.

[C]

Than I feel like I could reason with a deer. A deer man. You know, like, how Would you reason

[A]

with a deer, man?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, let's hear that conversation.

[C]

I would point it out to all the lovely fields of grass it could indulge in. You know, I think I would go, hey, good boy. Good girl, you. Aren't you cute? You know, like, I don't know.

[B]

What do you guys think about how dad didn't see anything?

[C]

I mean, isn't that the classic thing where it's like, honey, come outside, There's a UFO that, you know, the person goes outside, there's no ufo. I mean, it's almost. You know, it does go back with all the stuff with high strange, where there is this trickster element to all of it, like almost any manifestation of high strangeness. It does seem that, like, there is this thing that'll, like, drive you psychologically crazy by it's there and then it's not there. Why can't we, like, really get good evidence that the. That, you know, like, I mean, like, I. I believe there is an external UFO phenomenon. Why can't we get good evidence of it, though? Yeah, you know, so it's. It's. It's. There just is, like a trickster thing going on when you hear these stories.

[A]

What about those Arizona lights, Steve? Have those been debunked?

[C]

Phoenix lights?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, they've never been debunked.

[C]

You know, you want to know who.

[A]

They're pretty amazing looking. Do you know who reported? So many different people got it on

[C]

film, the first person to report to call those in was. Was Kurt Russell.

[A]

Shut up.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

That is true.

[B]

He was in a plane with young Oliver Hudson flying a private plane, and they flew and saw the lights and he called them in.

[A]

Yes, Steve, you just blew my mind. Are you serious?

[C]

Kurt, dude, Kurt's on the team.

[A]

Kurt's very close to the bone. Are you kidding? Come on.

[B]

He's like. He. He fought off the thing. Yeah, he knows.

[C]

He's not even dialed in.

[A]

Gruber. Hell, Google Kurt Russell minor league baseball stats. Man, he hit over 300 in minor league baseball.

[C]

Did he really?

[A]

He was a hell of a player. There's a glorious Netflix documentary called the Battered Bastards of Baseball where his dad was his main passion. Bing Russell, incredible character actor. The sheriff on Bonanza was super into baseball and had all these instructional videos starring young Kurt Russell. And he was sick of how character actors got treated and decided to start an independent baseball team in Portland, Oregon, called the Portland Mavericks. And it is the most glorious, ragtag group of adults playing against a lot of recent draftees. It's one of the best baseball documentaries out there. It's incredible.

[C]

Watch that tonight.

[A]

And Kurt Russell could play. So of course he saw these lights first. You know, he wasn't.

[C]

I love a thank you justification. Well, he played by

[A]

you can. You can deal with.

[D]

With.

[A]

You can deal with you pars. Are you kidding?

[B]

And we're not calling them UAPs.

[A]

Sorry, Hillary.

[B]

Oh, also Walt Disney's last words. Kurt Russell.

[C]

Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah, before he died. Because he did all those Disney movies when he was like a young guy.

[A]

His last words.

[B]

He was saying something about Kurt Russell.

[A]

Kurt Russell, that fucking kid that kicked Elvis in the movie. Did you know he also kicked Elvis and it happened at the World's Fair.

[B]

Oh, it's great.

[A]

He kicked the King and ran off and then he played Elvis later. It's all one song.

[B]

That's true. John Carter.

[C]

Back to Kurt. Yeah, we could probably tie anything back to Kurt Russell if we tried.

[A]

We could. Well, let's make it our. Make it our goal.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I love it, Steve. So your advice here is just talk the deer man down. That's.

[C]

Yeah, I think you gotta try to reason with it like a hostage negotiator. I really do.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

I love it. There's.

[A]

I'm not a hunter, but I could see how the deer might start to revolt. Of like, this is insane. You guys don't need our meat like now you know if it's our fault. Like, I don't judge hunters. I have plenty of friends that hunt. I don't love when they post the pictures on Facebook because my dog looks like a deer. But at one point the deer might organize and revolt. It'd be like, fuck you, you guys.

[B]

They're watching people and they're learning how to walk.

[A]

Yeah, they're gonna wait until they learn how to shoot. And it's real easy to get firearms nowadays.

[D]

Arm the deer.

[C]

Armor deer.

[B]

Arm the deer.

[D]

Let's level the playing field here.

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[B]

Now we have one more. I think we got time for it and it's a really interesting one, Riley, because it involves something we've been talking about on the recently. So will you do us the honor

[D]

and we're with the boys here.

[B]

And read this one from Kayana, please.

[D]

I would love to. All right,

[C]

really quick. I just. What a murderous row of great voices. All three of you.

[B]

My God, Steve, you're right.

[A]

Of them all. Steve.

[C]

Sorry, I have a lisp. My. My S's are hard work.

[A]

It's like steroids for a 90s baseball player. Your voice is your gift.

[B]

You wear it well.

[A]

Look, I had people lining up to do a podcast to me, okay? I picked you, big daddy. Come on.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

I could have done with Robert Blake.

[D]

Remember?

[A]

Tell. Talk about the Little Rascals. I hung out, okay? I waited.

[C]

Check mail.

[D]

All right, so here we go. So this is Kayana, and Kayana says hi there, everyone. First, I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the effort, time and care you guys put in to make this podcast for us. And it's by far my favorite paranormal podcast out there.

[B]

Well, thank you.

[D]

This is my first time submitting a story anywhere. Then my first real strange sighting, and then a second different experience a few weeks later. Both very quick during the day and to me, unexplainable. I live right outside of a small town in southern Indiana called Boone. I was driving back from a neighboring town called Newburgh, and the whole 15 minute drive back was a plane. There was a plane flying in my view. It was a straight shot to my house with no turns and open fields for a lot of it. About halfway down my road, I crested a hill, glanced up to look at the plane and saw a bright flash to the left of the plane. Then what I can only describe as what the moon looks like in the daytime. Only for a second flash and it's gone. It lasted about three to five seconds total. The object looked exactly like the moon, but smaller. It was quite a bit bigger than the plane, though. And the size of my pinky nail or pencil eraser if you held it up. To the sky.

[B]

I love this. Thank you. Thank you Kayana for letting me know if you're going to eyeball it. So it's pinky size.

[C]

That's great.

[B]

Cuticle size.

[D]

Now just to qualify, might be worth mentioning that I have pretty small nail beds. So my pinky nail is smaller than average.

[A]

Please.

[C]

Easy Eric.

[A]

Daddy likes a nail bed.

[C]

He's a head man all right.

[A]

He is what he is.

[D]

The closest thing I could think was that some debris that entered the atmosphere and burned up quickly. But it just seemed too large to burn up that fast. I am kicking myself now for never reconnecting my dash cam after it stopped working earlier that year. It probably would have caught it.

[B]

Coincidence? I think not exactly.

[D]

The next one was at the same hill crest. But I was with my mom. I was driving and we saw a shadow cover the car. It was large and stretched across the two lane road fully and then some completely covering my small suv. I kept my eyes on the shadow and it looked like a big bird with a spaded tail tip. My immediate reaction was dragon. But as a girl that plays a lot of D and D. It might just be on my mind. Second, I just thought that maybe the sun was just making a weird looking shadow from a tree or bird. But then my mom yelled that there was nothing there. Again, we are surrounded by fields other than the hill so we can see quite far. There was nothing in the sky that we could see. My mom is adamant that whatever was there was cloaked or something. I did some research and really couldn't find anything. The closest being the Kongamato. A petrosaur. There's that.

[B]

Pterosaur.

[D]

Yeah, pterosaur. Thank you, Michael. See, now I've done it. We mispronounce dinosaurs on the show. Said to be seen in parts of Africa that attacks people in canoes. But I don't think they can cloak or anything like that. Anyways, thanks again and let me know what you guys think. Avid listener Kayana.

[B]

Wow. Two bangers. Two back to back.

[A]

The listeners won this week.

[B]

They did. They did win this. Steve, come on. You got to go find this hill something. It's the same hill. Two weird aerial anomalies. This is. So we got like an orb next to a plane and then we have a shadow of a pterosaur. No, no bird. This is wild. We just talked about thunderbirds on the show. I was like we have to read this one because what? Like this is our first pterosaur or thunderbird sighting we've ever gotten. We had. It's on the heels of the episode where we talked about this.

[C]

Yeah, well, I mean as I'm sure you're aware, there is a precedent for this kind of thing. Obviously you can take the form of a Thunderbird or the Van Meter visitor out of Iowa, which was dragon like thing was looked like a. A pterodactyl. Also accosted a small town in Iowa for two nights.

[B]

Also had a bright light.

[A]

Are you serious?

[C]

Yeah, it shot a laser beam out of his horn. It was in the paper in 1913. I swear to God. Yeah. Yes.

[B]

Like they were shooting at. It was like sitting on top of a bank and they were trying to shoot at this thing and it looked like a little pterosaur with a. With a like gem on its head. That was like. It was like something out of a Godzilla movie.

[A]

Stupid. I. Let's shoot at that.

[C]

Yeah, that sounds smart. No, yeah, it was like the banker was just like taking pop shots. Well, so also I will say this Southern Indiana is a sneaky. Is sneakily one of the weirdest places. I've been doing a lot of research on this one small town called Peru, Indiana. And there was like in the 70s a war between wizards and. And witches. I'm not even joking. Like.

[D]

Like rival factions.

[C]

There was rival factions, but there's all kinds of weird story. They had the little people sightings there, you know, a.k.a. puck Wedgies. But. So southern Indiana is go. It's been popping off for decades. But this, I mean Michael is when you. Once I heard the spade tale, I was like this sounds like Thunderbird to me.

[B]

Yeah, definitely.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

A modern.

[B]

I mean this is pretty southern Indiana too. This is like not far from the Boonville's, not far from Kentucky border. It's looking like.

[C]

And we know what Kentucky brings a lot of the weird. Let me ask, Let me ask you, do you. I'm guessing this is a modern ish story.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah, I've been listening to the show

[C]

so we haven't been doing it that long.

[B]

So this happened, they say. I think I missed that.

[A]

Find the Thunderbird, Steve. Go down there, go to French Lick, go to Larry Bird's original.

[B]

Original email came to me in. Came to us in July, you know. So we have a bit of a backlog. We don't always get to them right away. Sure. And then there was a follow up. So I'll find out exactly when this happened.

[D]

I love that. It's like there's the. The first incident too of just like the weird anomaly.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[D]

The paranormal primer, you know.

[C]

Yeah. And then escalated from there and they

[B]

were a few weeks apart, so. So something was happening at that time and place. My first submitting it's first real strange sighting and then a second different experience a few weeks later. So it was broad daylight with both of them and. Yeah, I don't know. Both in. Both in the sky. So. K on. If you want to follow up and let us know if you. If you can tell us approximately when this happened. Yeah, would love to know.

[A]

I highly recommend to go along with this. Just put on the song when the. When the Word was Thunderbird by Billy Joe Shaver. One and probably his greatest song. If you want a song that will move you and get you going, win. The word was Thunderbird and it ties right in.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

That's good advice. I think that's good, good advice.

[A]

I know the expertise Steve does, but I know some songs

[C]

Bill Joe Shaver books. He's great.

[A]

He's incredible. I'm gonna tell you, Steve, you're not gonna love hearing this. He's a slight notch above paycheck, I think. Think you're not going to like that. They're fighting words. But I think Billy Joe and then paycheck right underneath.

[C]

Well, okay. No respect. Respect. No, no, no. Yeah. Guys coming from different places.

[A]

Guys coming from different places. And I once gave him a geode.

[D]

Was it well received?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, he was. I gave him a piece of starlight. Yeah.

[C]

Awesome.

[B]

Where'd you get it? Where'd you get the geode?

[A]

I ordered it online. I wanted to give it to him because I once was during my drinking days, it was a little too boisterous at a show and I felt like I owed him. Right. Recompense. So I gave him a starlight, which is a natural cross.

[C]

Eric, you brought me a geode One time when my back was hurt.

[A]

God, I'm a parody of myself.

[B]

Is this like your. Was this your go to, like, apology? It's like, get him a geode.

[A]

Yeah, look, I was an. But here's a geode.

[C]

It's a strong.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I just can't even even be mad.

[D]

When you get a geode, you can't be mad anymore.

[B]

I can't even picture being an asshole. This is insane.

[A]

Not an ass. I was way boisterous and talking too much and, like, getting involved. Full disclosure, I snuck backstage at the Troubadour. I snuck back and it was just him in his room. And he just started laughing. And then security bounced me out.

[C]

Guys, I mean, we could do a whole episode about the Musicians Eric's snuck into their dressing rooms and buses on. I can tell you stories for hours.

[A]

So many.

[C]

So many. That's an L file right there.

[A]

L file. Next time, I'll tell you about the time I snuck backstage in Chris Christopherson's dressing room. To be continued, everybody.

[C]

Or Brian Wilson's bus.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Let's fight him.

[B]

Let's do it. We'll do an arrogant.

[A]

Signed an autograph out of pure fear. And it hangs. It hangs. You look like you're fighting deer. Not proud. Not proud. Road of Excess. Le. The palace of wisdom. Him.

[B]

Turns out Eric was also that deer man in the field that day.

[A]

I was. I was just trying to get her number. I thought she was a Virgo. She ran. She flee. I don't know, Whatever. Any.

[C]

The hand man. We found out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Show me your nails.

[C]

Show me your nail beds.

[A]

Let me see the nail bed.

[C]

They're tiny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I. I do like the idea of doing an Eric Edel Files episode.

[C]

Oh, an Eric Eddle Files.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Okay, done.

[B]

We'll book it. All right.

[C]

We'll.

[B]

We'll talk. All right, let's move on to Collector's corner. Eric, Steve, anything you guys are watching, listening to, consuming right now? Movies you've seen that you're like, oh, I recommend this for, obviously. Everyone go check out Weird here to help, which you will find by subscribing to we're here to help correct in on. On your favorite podcast.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So.

[A]

And it comes in the feed every other Friday. And then there's also a really fun one called called we're here to Chat, which is Steve, Gareth, Jake, and I, which is another magical force. I'm not unlike this, and it's a whole bunch of fun. Love it.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I'm obsessed with Japanese baseball, and I've been watching a lot of Japanese baseball youtubes on Ohtani. And then I just watched one. It was absolutely fascinating about the greatest Japanese baseball pitcher. Guy named Victor Starfin, who fled from the tsar. His dad worked for the. For the. You know, the royal family. And when the. When the Bolsheviks moved in, this guy snuck Victor out. Young Victor was like 6 years old under a bunch of corpses, and the only place that would take refugees was Japan. So he ended up in Hokkaido in the snow and ended up being the greatest Japanese baseball pitcher ever. And I've also been buying Japanese baseball cards since 2017. But now I'm buddy, I got a

[B]

big stack of Japanese baseball cards. They're all yours if you want them.

[A]

Are you Where'd you get them?

[B]

My buddy, who's also into baseball cards, got me a mystery tin from Tops for Christmas, and I opened it up and it was like, 48 Japanese baseball cards in Japanese. I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are.

[A]

Well, before you give them away, we should do a dive, because you might find the next Ohtani in there. And that's what I did in 2017. Started buying his Japanese stuff because I saw, what was it, his, My poor wife, what his rookie cards are going for in 2018. I'm like, his rookie card is not the Bowman Chrome Auto. His rookie card is the 2013 BBM. So I started buying all these cards, and then now I have relationships with all these Japanese sellers over there, and

[C]

she finds them for me.

[A]

And then now there's these insane tariffs. It's such a bummer. So I have FedEx chasing me for this. I got this incredible 2014 Otani die cut, and now FedEx is chasing me for a tariff fee, and I'm not happy about it at all. But, yeah, Mike, I want to see these cards because you could have the next hotel. I'll get them there.

[B]

I thought they were more accessible than

[A]

they are back to the 40s. You can get a Sadahara O card, buddy, for, like, winner, $7.

[B]

When are you and I taking a trip to the Burbank card shop? On, on. Have you been, have you been there? Burbank sports cards?

[A]

I've been.

[B]

I, I, it's, you know, like the attitude.

[A]

Yeah, they're, they're not as friendly as I would love. And I know this is controversial, but I'll still go because they have fun stuff there. I was. Think their prices are a little high.

[B]

But there's that other place right across the street.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, there's a place that also just got broken into. There's been a rash of baseball card store and Pokemon break in. Steve. They tunneled. Pokemon, Pokemon, Burbank. And tunneled. Yeah. One went for like 16 million yesterday. One of the.

[C]

Paul Logan.

[B]

Paul's insane.

[C]

Let me, let me just say this now. If you're going to do this at Baseball card Exchange, I really, in my head, I'm picturing a, a, like an early morning session. You guys meet at a wonderful Burbank breakfast place. Eric buys you a Denver omelette breakfast. All the trimmings, the sides and everything. Now you call OJ Then you go baseball card. It seems like a morning activity.

[B]

I'll tell you what. Norm's Hamburger has fantastic breakfast burritos right down Magnolia.

[C]

I said done.

[A]

Where's Norms?

[B]

It's. It's on the other end of Magnolia towards Victory. So, like, done.

[A]

Done.

[B]

Past Nor Buen, east of Buena Vista. We're getting hyper specific here, but, yeah,

[C]

I used to get hammered back in the day when I first moved to LA and go to Norms late at night.

[B]

Norms? The diner or Norm's Hamburger.

[C]

Oh, no, no, no, sorry. Norm's Diner. Norm's Diner.

[B]

Norm's Diner is classic as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You can't be there sober.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. You've done it wrong. If you have. Steve, anything that you're into right now that you want to plug for people to check out?

[C]

Yeah, I have. Well, I love music, and I've loved this band for probably 20 years, but lately, I cannot stop listening to My Bloody Valentine to the point where Riley and I should ask for your advice here. I'm trying to learn how to do the Kevin Shields glide playing where he's using the whammy bar, like, the entire time just as he strums.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And it just creates this tremolo effect that, like, is doing something to me. I can't. Like, I'm in this, like, weird phase where if there's no, like, tremolo, like, Kevin's Shieldy guitar, I can't listen to it right now. Like, I'm in. And that'll leave me in a couple weeks. I go through these weird holes where, like, this is the only thing that sounds good to me. And just going through all these people. Don't talk about the last My Bloody Valentine record. Not enough. That came out in 2014. It is so damn good. Like, and they're touring Europe this summer.

[A]

I'm doing five shows at the Bowl. Would you come out for one? Stay in your suite. No, they're not doing five shows. And, Steve, I think I told you this. This is the coolest story. When I. During the strike, when I was just, like, out of my mind and, like, had to. Had to do something, I took this glorious acting class knowing I was going to be the oldest guy in there. And I'll be like, fine, I'm okay playing.

[B]

How young was everybody else?

[A]

Half my age. I was playing their dad, played their grandpa. But there was one other guy my age, my buddy Mark Aguilardes. And there's one other guy, this legend named Wayne, who, from day one, I loved him. He is a scientist who decided to go all in, sell his place in the Midwest and move out to LA. In his like 50s and get in this acting class. And his commitment, he was so fucking good and meant for this and amazing. And I would love jumping up there doing scenes with him. He and I did like the Christopher Walken Dennis Hopper scene from True Romance and rehearsed it in time together. But he is now been hot. He's been on a steady stream of work, which doesn't surprise me. His name's Wayne J. He is the dictator in the My Bloody Valentine live concert. They have this whole thing with fascism and a dictator and Wayne is the dictator and he has now traveled the world with My Bloody Valentine.

[C]

That's such a great story because this

[A]

is a guy that was a scientist that got to the point he's like, I have a dream. I want to just at least try it in la. And now he's working a ton and he's the dictator for My Bloody Valentine. So come out and see my buddy Wayne.

[B]

You can't be a scientist and be named Wayne, right? Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He broke the. He did it for 30 years, but it's not sticking. Your name's Wayne.

[C]

He's too cool for science.

[A]

You're gonna act or run a plan.

[B]

Yeah. Wayne J. Come on, dude. You've at least got to be on the radio.

[A]

You're dealing blackjack. Oh, yeah, but he is. He's a scientist and he definitely does not love when I spot my pseudoscience theories. Actually, Eric probably be traumatized by weird here to help. But he's the greatest guy. And who knows, Steve, maybe he can get us a little discount on a ticket or something.

[C]

But oh, I would love Eric.

[A]

I will be out in my home.

[C]

I'll be out there.

[A]

Portly has his own bathroom. So hire Steve. He is bicoastal. And so Steve, come out, stay in your room and go see My Bloody Valentine.

[B]

I'm not too far from that Hollywood Bowl.

[A]

We're going.

[C]

The four of us should go buddy night.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

What a fun buddy night.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

Like the loudest band ever too.

[B]

Bring it in full circle.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Well, what I love about the bulbs, the sound kind of gets better as you go further back.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like you can either be in the pit and hear their amps, but the garden boxes where the richies are. You sound. Sound, isn't it? It's built to flow up. So, you know, you go up.

[C]

You taught me that more.

[A]

And oh, it's incredible.

[D]

Especially for my buddy Valentine.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. We will have the best night.

[D]

We should definitely go to that. I Saw him once at. At the Desert Days Festival, and it was so insanely loud that I. I, like, had to walk, like, all the way away. And then I just sort of like, laid down on the beach. There's like a little. A little lake where it was that year, and I just let it wash over me, and it was pretty glorious,

[C]

I thought, like, yeah, like my. I mean, Dinosaur Jr. Is a very loud. Oh, but they ain't my bloody Valentine.

[D]

No, it's a whole other thing. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, but it's part of the music. It's because he went.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You start to feel it in your body.

[B]

I saw Dinosaur Jr. In Milwaukee in probably 2011 or 12, and it sounded like it felt like I had cotton stuffed in my ears for like, a full day.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Afterwards, I was like, I definitely lost some hearing going.

[C]

It's so worth it, though. The Dinosaur junior shows are. I've seen a bunch and they're. Everyone has been like, an A plus plus. I. I'm a big Jay Maskus fan, guys.

[B]

Let's do it.

[C]

Oh, a buddy night. This is so funny.

[A]

Night.

[B]

Riley, anything you want to plug? Any shows coming up or anything that you. You want to pl. We bounce.

[D]

Go to Burbank. I love Burbank.

[C]

I do, too.

[A]

Right?

[C]

I do too. Jewel of the Valley.

[A]

It is. Yeah. Go to.

[D]

Go to. Go to. Perfect circuit. Maybe one of the best synthesizer and electrical musical oddities shops in the world. That's right there in Burbank.

[A]

You know, Mark, I got a legend. Riley, if you ever need DATs fixed or any cassette decks. Mark Nasri over at FET Electronics. He's a great guy.

[B]

Last name?

[A]

Just don't bring up Jimmy Carter. He's not a fan. He's a Ron. I told my. I told my buddy. Don't bring up Jimmy Carter. It's like telling. Telling a child not to. I mean, his cassette deck did not get fixed. So go see old Mark Nazare. Just don't bring up Jimmy Carter. You'll be just fine.

[B]

I bring up Jimmy Carter every time I go into.

[A]

Don't do it, Mike. You won't fix your.

[C]

Yeah, he was pro Reagan holding the hotel sausages for a couple.

[A]

No, it's beyond that. He's not pro Reagan either. He's not. He's not like a right winger. He just. Jimmy Carter. Specifically on Iran. Boy. Don't get. Don't get Marco, but he will fix your stuff. Incredibly. I got to pick up a turntable and I'm not bringing up Jimmy Carter. Boys.

[B]

Yeah, you're gonna go in there, you'll be like Jimmy Carter, right?

[A]

Yeah. It's the beginning. Beginning of like Tourette's.

[C]

Jimmy Boiled Peanuts.

[A]

Oh God. How you doing, Mom?

[C]

Also, he saw a ufo. One of the our first UFO presents.

[A]

True or was that the beginning of fake disclosure that Obama continued this week Likely to the collectors Club.

[B]

That's right. And if you want more BCC or would you would like to listen ad free to regular episodes like this one. Join us over at BCC clubhouse, wouldn't [e-mail] Huge thanks to our guests Eric Edelstein and Steve Berg. Go subscribe to We're Here to help and keep your eyes peeled on that feed for weird here to help. Also don't forget you got Cosmic Tracks over there on on BCC Clubhouse as well. We gotta somebody mentioned recently how great the music was and I'm like, you know you can get these soundtracks, these scores that Riley writes. You can just download them. We have over a hundred of them up there on the Cosmic Track channel at Piece of Supercast. Excuse me. Bcc.supercast.com Come on. I mean studying, drawing, reading to these. I mean hundreds of hours now. Hundreds of hours. 100 hours, like 30 hours. But that's like a lot.

[C]

That might as well be 3,000 tracks.

[B]

Yes, it is lots of hours. Some are full albums by the way.

[A]

And it's so good. Boy, does it scratch that itch. Is such good music.

[C]

Really, really gets it.

[A]

Speaking of Riley, BJM March 4, Ventura Anton.

[C]

And you're bringing, you're bringing Michael this time.

[B]

Am I getting Mike?

[A]

No, it would be awesome.

[D]

And I think Antonio, is that what they're doing?

[A]

I think so. Which I, I'm big on. You kind of have to travel for shows. That's part of why Santa Ana was so amazing. But you know, you gotta kind of travel like I love going to shows in Bakersfield because you get just far off and out of town. It's the Die Hards. But Ventura is one of my favorite. I love favorite places to see live music in my life. It's like one of the last kind of working class beach communities. Totally surprised me that the great farmer Dave Shear lives there. And I think March 4, Ventura BJM is going to explode and go into space. Oh, okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just a phone call away, everybody. You know where to find me.

[A]

I'll drive, I'll drive. I love. I get in that car, I zip it down home within an hour and

[C]

listen, seriously, we're going to Talk about dates for my buddy Valentine. Buddy, we're doing this.

[B]

I'm going to go Buddy Buddy days.

[C]

Yeah. Shoe gaze ourselves. Yeah.

[A]

Throw it down.

[B]

All right, everybody, we love you. If we don't see you over on the other side, we will see you here next Wednesday for an all new episode of bcc. Until then, good night and go get regressed.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you, Eric. Thank you, Steve.

[A]

Bye friends. It was a joy.

[B]

Thank you, President Barack Obama.

[C]

Thank you. Don't mention Jimmy Carter.

[B]

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