Transcript

A (0:01)

Blank check with Griffin and David. Blank check with Griffin and David. Don't know what to say or to expect. All you need to know is that the name of the shadow is Blank Jack. From a place you've never heard of, a podcast you'll never forget.

B (0:27)

Okay, For a guest, just.

A (0:29)

Just for the context of what happened.

B (0:31)

That's the tagline of the film. And he's put the word podcast in

A (0:34)

there, the American tagline. Now, I think it's an interesting marketing strategy. It's kind of a tagline saying, oh, Jesus, this is a hard one to

B (0:40)

market from a place you've never heard of.

C (0:43)

You're leading from a place you've never heard of.

A (0:45)

Hey, guys, I know this title is gonna make no sense to you, but. But if you watch the movie, you'll be happy about it after the fact, right? You won't forget it.

B (0:55)

It's also. It's a poster. That's the final image of the film. That's what's fascinating. The final image. Yeah.

C (1:02)

That is really bold, I thought. But it's out of context, so I guess you don't know.

A (1:08)

That's what's so interesting about it is it's not obfuscating the ending at all, but it is out of context in a way where you don't read into it. And then when the movie hits that image, it's almost quite twice as devastating to now understand what that image was you were looking at.

B (1:26)

But Platoon did the same thing. And this is a movie that reminded, like, Platoon really sort of is drafting off this movie. And that's another movie where they had the final image, basically, as the poster.

A (1:36)

But basically, finally, this is the actual final image.

C (1:39)

You're right.

B (1:39)

You're right.

A (1:40)

Is Platoon the year?

B (1:41)

No, it's eight years later.

Summary

Blank Check with Griffin & David

Episode: Gallipoli with Jennifer Kent
Date: March 29, 2026
Guest: Jennifer Kent (director of The Babadook, The Nightingale)
Film Discussed: Gallipoli (1981), dir. Peter Weir

Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Griffin Newman and David Sims are joined by acclaimed filmmaker Jennifer Kent for an in-depth discussion of Peter Weir’s seminal Australian war film, Gallipoli (1981). As part of their miniseries on Weir’s filmography, the conversation explores the film’s historical significance, its personal impact, the rebirth of the Australian cinema, the unique lens of anti-war storytelling, and the career trajectories of its cast and director. Kent brings insightful perspective on national identity, filmmaking craft, and the deep emotional resonance of Gallipoli—and how it inspired her own work.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shadow of the Poster, the Power of the Ending

The episode opens with discussion of the marketing and final image of Gallipoli, with the hosts and Kent noting the unusual choice to use the film’s devastating last frame for its poster.
- "That's what's so interesting...it's almost twice as devastating to now understand what that image was you were looking at." — Griffin (01:08)
- Kent describes seeing Gallipoli as a child on a school trip and how certain lines and images ("What are your legs? Steel springs...") were emblazoned in her memory for decades. (02:16)

2. The Emotional Weight Across Generations

Kent remembers seeing the film at age 10 and being struck by its depiction of war’s futility. Watching as an adult, she was "gutted":
- "As a woman in my 50s... seeing nothing has changed, I just started howling...the human beings, the so-called forgettable masses are the ones that always suffer, and just to know that nothing changes. This film, it gutted me last night and I just felt, wow, this is a masterpiece." — Jennifer Kent (02:49)

3. The Blank Check Thesis & Australian New Wave Context

Hosts contextualize Gallipoli within Weir’s career as a “blank check” project at the height of the Australian New Wave, symbolizing the global rise and recognition of Australian cinematic voice.
- Discussion of the term “blank check”—the rare trust a director earns to make passion projects, sometimes resulting in masterpieces, sometimes “checks that bounce.” (04:00)

4. The Cycles and Structure of Australian Cinema

Jennifer Kent gives a mini-lecture on Australian film history: a once-thriving silent era crushed by Hollywood, four decades of near-void, and then a bipartisan government investment that ignited the New Wave.
- "Australians had the most thriving film industry in the world...then the Americans, mafiosa style, came in and put a stronghold on all the Australian cinemas so that Australian films could no longer be made..." — Jennifer Kent (11:17)
The New Wave wasn’t propaganda: it was “odd, subversive, critical of our society,” equaling the vigor of the American and French New Waves. (14:31)

5. "Mateship," Anti-War Narratives, and National Identity

Gallipoli is framed less as a conventional war epic and more as a "boy's adventure" film that transforms into a tragedy—"a coming-of-age movie interrupted by the brutality of the world." — Griffin (26:49)
Kent discusses the "Australian larrikin" archetype and the film’s exploration of friendship (“mateship”), innocence, and loss.
- "It's like…these guys aren't thinking of themselves as being in a war movie. They think this is the beginning of some rip roaring adventure..." — Griffin (26:24)
The movie’s last act delivers the impact of war not through spectacle, but via devastation as we witness the loss of innocence.

6. The Craft: Form, Color, and Style

Kent highlights the film’s color palette and compositions, noting the natural vibrancy of early scenes and how they gradually fade into desaturated horror, reflecting the loss of innocence. (100:05)
- “There was some sort of Lawrence of Arabia almost kind of compositions as well…It’s not conventional, just formal. And I dig that as a filmmaker.” — Jennifer Kent (101:18)
The use of classical and electronic music ("Vangelis") bridges period and emotion—“The music was really beautiful...as soon as I heard that music this time, I was like, oh, of course.” (113:23)

7. Death Onscreen: The Bergman Challenge

Peter Weir drew inspiration from an Ingmar Bergman quote that "you can do most anything on screen except kill somebody," taking it as a challenge—how to depict a meaningful, believable death:
- “What if you just killed one person whom you’ve gotten to know and like. And that was part of my structure…” — Peter Weir (via dossier, 55:01)
- This influences the movie’s narrative structure: the entire film is "a machine to narratively get to that point and earn it,” ending on the shattering freeze-frame. (56:02)

8. Gallipoli’s Place in National Memory

The film is not only a foundational touchstone for cinephiles, but known by “average mom and dad” Australians, akin to Crocodile Dundee — seen or at least “felt” by everyone (33:53)
It reflects a turning point in Australian identity: "Gallipoli is the moment when Australians are like, why are we serving the British Empire?” — David (65:50)

9. Mel Gibson, Mark Lee & Choices of Stardom

Kent and the hosts discuss the contrasting career paths of Mark Lee (“the unsung hero…so beautiful and innocent—he didn’t go on to be Mel Gibson”) and Gibson’s leap into international stardom.
- “He was a force of nature...he’s so wonderful in the original Mad Max.” — Jennifer Kent (64:06)
- Anecdote about Mark Lee allegedly turning down Amadeus: “It’s just not everyone wants that life...it’s not the greatest to be a star.” — Kent (83:07)
The hosts observe how Lee’s choice to remain in Australia preserved both an innocence onscreen and privacy offscreen, connecting this to the themes of survival and survivor’s guilt in the film. (85:02)

10. The Blank Check: Funding, Industry, and Legacy

The production was funded by Rupert Murdoch (then an emerging media mogul), marking his first and last hands-on film production before acquiring studios later.
- “This ends up being a one and done...[Murdoch's exec] said, 'I've seen every Australian movie in the last two months and there are like 12 extraordinary filmmakers here.'” — Griffin (80:12)
Gallipoli became the highest-budget Australian film of its time ($3 million AUD), made its money back domestically, but remained a modest “art house” release in the US. (108:48)
Distributors wanted more romance, a different ending; producers held firm: “You give us $3 million, we’ll make a film like that. But this one is already made.” (110:45)

11. Influence & Personal Resonance

Kent credits Weir’s (and Fred Schepisi’s) Australian films for inspiring her to make The Nightingale, emphasizing the continuous lineage of filmmakers unafraid to stare into national traumas. (124:25)
- “...if Fred Schepisi hadn’t made Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith and if Peter Weir hadn’t made his early Australian films, I don’t think I would have had the courage...” — Jennifer Kent (124:25)
She highlights the importance for future generations to watch and learn from Weir’s work, underlining his status as “a real master” in world cinema. (123:56)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On seeing Gallipoli as a kid:
“I could not believe that some images were emblazoned in my soul. And one of them was that final image.” — Kent (02:16)
On the futility of war:
“...seeing what's just happened in Iran and knowing that the human beings, the so called forgettable masses are the ones that always suffer...nothing changes.” — Kent (02:49)
On Weir’s early films:
“They're so accomplished and so clear in their vision, but they also do feel like outsider art in a certain way, almost on the level of what you're saying, Jennifer, of his spiritual connection...” — Griffin (46:24)
On the anti-epic nature of Gallipoli:
“I think it's an anti epic in a really interesting way because it does have the scale and the production way...but it's actually eluding all of the obvious story beats you expect in a kind of epic tale set against the backdrop of a war.” — Griffin (53:18)
On survivor’s guilt, film, and stardom:
“...all he can do is just choose to. As Mel Gibson put it, he has the power to be a coward in this moment, which is the smart thing to do, but he doesn't save anyone else.” — Griffin (85:02)
On personal filmmaking:
“I have to be deeply connected to something, like on a very deep level. Because you're going to stick with this story for a number of years, so it has to be meaningful. And, you know, I didn't watch Marvel films, so why would I want to direct them?” — Kent (91:49)
On The Plumber and personal anxieties:
“It is maybe my second greatest anxiety trigger behind war is people in my home asking me questions.” — Griffin (44:37)
On mateship and men in Gallipoli:
“Mateship does feel like this particularly Australian sort of way that men relate to each other.” — David (98:10)

Important Timestamps

Film’s marketing and poster: 00:27–01:26
Kent on childhood experience of Gallipoli: 01:44–02:49
History of Australian film, Hollywood’s blockade: 10:46–14:31
Kent’s Top 10 Australian Films: 16:55–17:53
Structure of Gallipoli, anti-war build-up: 20:17–21:52
On survivor’s guilt and character arcs: 85:02–86:07
Gallipoli’s “dance” sequence—production insight: 107:02–107:41
On the personal/craft transition from Australia to Hollywood: 87:17–91:05
Jennifer Kent on influence for The Nightingale: 124:25

Episode Flow Highlights

Personal histories feed into film analysis: Kent’s generational view of Gallipoli sets pacing and tone for the episode.
Frequent breakdowns of Australian film culture and national identity: The crew continuously contrasts Australia’s sense of self as seen in cinema, especially vis-à-vis the UK and the US.
Parallels between Gallipoli and modern anti-war cinema, as well as Kent’s own work
Candid industry stories about funding, distribution, casting, and the realities of creative compromise
A charming detour through Crocodile Dundee, Bluey, and the larrikin archetype, reflecting on Australian humor and cultural exports
Reflections on the challenges of authenticity, universality, and influence across national and artistic borders

Final Recommendations

For listeners: If you have not seen Gallipoli or The Nightingale, both are highly recommended as deeply moving, essential works of anti-war and national cinema.
For film fans: Peter Weir’s Australian period (especially Picnic at Hanging Rock, The Cars that Ate Paris, The Last Wave, and Gallipoli) remains foundational to understanding both his oeuvre and the rebirth of Australian film.
From Jennifer Kent: The value and bravery of deeply personal filmmaking, even in the face of industry inertia and the challenges of globalized culture.
- "I'm very devoted...I think being a writer, director...you have to be deeply connected to something." (92:36)

This episode is an engaging, illuminating journey through Gallipoli's craft and emotional resonance, revealing both its unique place in world cinema and the lasting wounds of war, all through the lens of three generations of film storytellers.