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Alvina and Grace are recording together in Brooklyn! They discuss the overall state of the children's book industry, including an article by Harold Underdown, and talk about the effects of book banning and the drop in the school and library market, and discuss how it's just a tough market overall, sadly. They discuss middle grade books and page counts and how the days of bulking them up to make them look longer are behind us. They also discuss young adult publishing and the term "clean teen."

For the Fortune Cookie segment, Alvina talks about the official announcement of her imprint "Alvina Ling Books" and logo reveal, and the great reception it received. And she also talks about what happened when they tried to secure the url AlvinaLingBooks.com. And they end as always with what they're grateful for.

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