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Look how great I turned out.
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Look how great you turned out.
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Humble. So very humble. Welcome to Book Talk Etc, a podcast bound to grow your tbr. I'm Tina from TBR Etc.
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And I'm Hannah from Handpicked Books.
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This is a conversational podcast about books and more from two Midwest nude readers. They're easily distracted by new releases and this week we are leaning into that in reviewing some books that were recently published.
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If you enjoy listening, we'd love for you to follow us on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. And if you have a quick minute, please consider leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts or sharing us on social media. It truly helps us connect with other book lovers.
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Hey, Hannah.
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Hey, Tina. How's it going?
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Great. How are you?
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I am doing okay. We are. Well, not we, actually. I am solo parenting this week, so staying very busy and excited to take, you know, a little break to talk about books.
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Good. I'm glad you get to take that break. It's always nice to have a built in time where we get to just have a little fun together.
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Agreed.
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All is good over here. We are thawing out a little bit. You know, it's above. I think it's maybe 35, but maybe 40. Approaching 40, but the snow is by and large melted. I got to get a car wash yesterday.
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Oh, nice.
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So I'm flying high. Truly, it's amazing what little it takes for us to feel like we're back.
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Yeah, my window's open, so.
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Right.
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I am feeling good and the sun is shining. It is so good to see the sun and not have just a dreary cloudy day.
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It's so nice we had this on yesterday. I was like, this is amazing. This is what I've been missing. Who?
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What? Who is she? Who is she?
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What is that over there? But yes, I'm glad to hear that you've got some similar weather going on. I've been reading, but I will say you had messaged me earlier in the week and you were like, wow, I haven't picked up a book in five days. And I was like, oh, Hannah, how dare. And then I was like, I barely have either because I really went all out in January and this happens every single solitary year. January, I lose my marbles and just read everything and anything. And in February I crash naturally as one does. However, I will also say that I have not been reading this week because of my loving lately. So let's get into my loving lately. I have another podcast recommendation for you folks, which is my favorite thing to bring my loving lately is a podcast called Blink Jake Handel's Story. And this is a true crime slash survival podcast talking about Jake Handle. And Jake was an addict. He was addicted to heroin. So as a result of his addiction, he got this extremely rare and terminal brain disease. And the doctors assumed he was brain dead for 18 months. And he experienced what's known as locked in syndrome, where you can't communicate, but you can hear and understand everything. The thing that is amazing about this story is that Jake is a co host of it. So he survived. He is the only one to have ever survived this thing. Okay. So what he had was a terminal progressive disease called toxic acute progressive leukoencephalopathy. Okay, that is a mouthful. It is a mouthful. And essentially it's given him locked in syndrome. I was hooked from go. This is 14 or so episodes, although they do have some like, ask me anything episodes. At the end, Jake is a co host. He's also co hosting with somebody. And she described she's a podcaster and she describes how she came to know Jake and like how they created this entire thing locked in from the beginning. Listening to this story. What I like about it, I like her voice. She's got a great podcast voice. I like that there's not a ton of like extra sound effects and dramatization. There's a tiny bit of background music the entire time, but it's really calming. It did not bother me at all. Jake can speak now. He couldn't speak for 18 months. He can speak now. And he had. He's very self conscious about the way he speaks because it's a little bit different now than it used to be. But I thought it was incredible. And he's oddly very charming. Like I was just hooked. And I kept thinking, how on earth did you survive this? And also, why is this also billed as true crime? And you find out that when he was in his pseudo coma, he has heard some things and then they dial back and talk about his relationship with his wife. And I will. I'll leave it there. They have some.
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That's a good hook.
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It's a really good hook. And I will leave it there because there is some speculation, I don't know that I'm walking away knowing exactly what happened. I think they did a great job presenting their case, but obviously it's his side of the story. There's maybe, you know, two sides of the story, all of that, but I just love that they really. I liked the medical aspect of it. He is very honest about his Addiction and his past. And he at one point just, you know, shares that. He feels like people will think he got what's coming to him because he had. He thinks it came from a bad batch of heroin which ended up giving him this degenerative brain disease. And so he's like, people are going to say, they're not going to want to hear my story. They're going to say, well, you shouldn't have been doing heroin. Obviously, it's more complex than that. And I just really like that. He is is who he is. And you come to find out that the people that he came into contact with, from his speech language therapist to the podcast hosts, all these people were like, really on his side. I would say it's family drama. And I was thinking how much of this, like, it is. The whole thing is true. As far as me walking away, I'm like, okay, this is his story, you know, and he has receipts and things like that. It is more of a medical drama, I'd say, than real true crime. But maybe if you want that feeling of true crime without it being overly graphic, totally get into this now. I don't mind a podcast that's a tiny bit drawn out. Could this have been shorter? Sure. After a while I was like, okay, let's get to the point. But each episode had a new angle. And I swear I still was like, wait, what? I kept getting hooked each and every episode. When he was describing his addiction in the beginning of the podcast, I truly was sitting there feeling hungover, like, I was feeling like I had a hangover. I did it, but I'm like, he was just. He did a really good job describing the cycle and, you know, sort of how addiction starts and why it continues. And I would say if you want a podcast on while you're doing other things, you're working, whatever it is, you know, I thought this was great. There's were a few ads, but only at the beginning in the middle. Totally did not overdo it, which I always appreciate it. I know podcasts deserve to get paid, but I get fussy when there's too, too many ads. But I think they had a great balance of this. I really enjoyed it. Maybe don't listen if you have medical anxiety, because I'm like, oh, great, I'm gonna. What. What if I got locked in syndrome? What would I do? But I think he's a real survivor and it was a fascinating story. I very much enjoyed listening to it and I wanted to recommend it to you all. So this loving lately is blink the Podcast Jake handles story.
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You always have the best podcast recommendations. Where did you discover this one?
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So I don't know what I do. On occasion, I would say maybe three or four times a year or randomly, people will send me, hey, I know you like podcasts. Here's a good one. And I will just download the first episode. And so I was walking to work on Tuesday this week. So this right now is Thursday when we're recording. Recording. I literally binged this in two days, three days. And I was like, oh, gosh, I need something to listen to. And I had downloaded this first episode. So I have no idea where I got the recommendation from. But if you were the one that recommended it to me, thank you. But also let me know if you listen to it and if you have recommendations for podcasts. I'm always looking for new ones to vet.
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Yeah, well, I'm glad that you brought that one. It sounds really good and just like a unique story. And I love the idea of a medical drama. It's not quite true crime, but this other compelling story that still makes you want to listen to the next episode because those are my favorite kinds of podcasts to listen to.
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Potato chip podcast. I was like, I gotta keep listening. I must know what's going on.
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My loving lately is so simple, but it is now my gold standard for this product and it is the Nature Stick Chapstick. I know, I know.
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But listen, I'm laughing because she's holding it in her hand with her two little pointer fingers and she just brings.
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It on screen with my two little pinchers.
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I was like, what is she gonna share? I can't imagine. Okay, tell me why it's so great.
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A chapstick that I am obsessed with and I can't take full credit for it. So my friend Katie got me hooked on this chapstick and she was like, trust me, you have to try it. It is the best. And I have to say I agree because I am particular about how things feel. We all. And I feel like with chapstick it can be extra challenging because you don't want it to be too waxy and you don't want it to be too, like, slippery. And I also feel like it's hard to find a natural chapstick that isn't too waxy. A lot of them feel like, almost hard because they're made out of these natural products. And this one is all natural. It's gluten free. It's not tested on animals, and it just has the best texture. Now, I always get The Peppermint Frost. And it does make your lips tingly, but I really like that. I think it's a very warm, soothing feeling. I think that I was going to almost describe this as like, it feels like icy hot at first, but then I was like, oh, it's not quite that strong, but it does kind of give you that warm, tingly feeling. It doesn't last, but it does feel really, really nice. It's really moisturizing. It lasts for a long time. I get these in a pack from Amazon. I have not been able to find them anywhere else. So I just get my pack of seven from Amazon and get the Peppermint Frost version. I have been looking at some of the reviews on Amazon for some of the other scents that they have, and people seem to really like those too. So if you prefer a fruity scent or something like that, you could definitely try those. But overall, even looking at the reviews here on Amazon, everybody is like, this is the best lip balm. It's the best chapstick. You just have to trust me. I also feel like things like this that are passed down of, oh, I got this from a friend and then, you know, a friend passes it down, etcetera, and onward. I feel like those are always the best recommendations. So this is my new tried and true chapstick. I keep one at my nightstand, in my purse, in the car, everywhere that I go. And it is the nature stick and I get the peppermint Frost.
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I love those types of recommendations where your friend is just like, I. You. You have lips. Would you like to know my favorite product? Like, sure. Yes, I.
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You have to.
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I want to know. I want to know everything. Yes, those are the best. Like those word of mouth, kind of random. I was going to ask you where you got it too, because I wonder.
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But yeah, yeah, I don't know where she got that recommendation, but I have been ordering them ever since.
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Well, I love that. I love a good lip product. I like, never use chapstick ever, Ever.
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You have lip gloss on a lot.
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I like a lip gloss. I like a lip hot. You know, like a lip treatment, if you will. Like the lineage ones. That's my go to. I don't love a chapstick for no real reason. I don't know why. Perhaps start. Perhaps I will start. All right. I do. I want to tell you about my latest read. Now, it is hard to talk about, I think. So I'm going to do my best.
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Okay.
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It's a book called Burned Down Master's House by Clay Kane. And this is one of the more brutal books I've read. And that is okay, given the subject matter. It is a story that. Okay, okay, okay. I got it from Aardvark this month and I initially saw this. She could be my loving lately in and of herself. Her name is Gina with the J. She's one of my favorite people to follow online on Tick Tock, on Instagram, wherever. We'll link to Gina. And she has been doing a series of Just recommend. She's just funny and she does a lot of political commentary book stuff. And she was just talking and, like, slowly backed out. And this was like the book cover was the entire background of her video. And she just kind of slowly backed away. And the title of it tied into what content she was talking about. And it just made me laugh. So I was like, what is this book? Let me try and grab it. And I got it initially on audio is available on Libby. I'm like, okay, let me listen to it. And I would say audio is not the way to go with this one. It is narrated by the author and he had a very unique way of doing it, and it wasn't my exact preference. And then I saw it was an Aardvark pick. I said, great, give me that. So I did read this one in print and that is where I do recommend it now. Now it says it's historical fiction. I might present that it's historical horror because, again, this is very brutal and it is a. It's actually four interconnected stories. I did not know that going in, and I'm not one that always loves stories. At first I thought it was short stories, but you do find out that they are connected and they're all taking place at sort of the same time. You're opening with Luke and Henri Henry, a man of strong and vibrant spirit. They forge an unbreakable bond at a Virginia plantation called Magnolia Row. Both seek escape from unimaginable cruelty. And so essentially, you come to know Luke and Henry and you come to know some of the other folks that are living in Magnolia Row. And this is a story of vengeance, I will say. And it was very hard to sit with. It's uncomfortable. That is the point. And I appreciate being challenged like that. And essentially, the vow of some of the characters, or many of the characters in the story is they are going to remember us. You're also following Josephine, who lived in Magnolia Row as well. She has a second story. You've got Charity Butler, who successfully fought for her freedom, but battled against a deeply Unjust system on future abolitionist. And the fourth story is Nathaniel, a black enslaver whose existence disturbs the nature of bondage. Again, I'm saying this, it's historical horror, so don't pick this up. If you want a light story, I don't know how you could listen to that synopsis and grab it and think, oh, this is going to be a light read. It's most certainly not. I think it's brilliantly done, though. I really, really do. You cannot miss the author's note, because in the author's note, he writes about why he wrote this novel. And it began about 20 ago where he wrote a short story called Magnolia Row about two enslaved men who fall in love. And he, I want to say, is a professor. He's a journalist, writer, radio host, and political analyst. And so he obviously has done much research for this. And all of the stories in this are based on real people. I can't choose one as one that was more horrifying than the others. The first one is definitely the most gory, as is the fourth one. But the third one, where you have the woman who was enslaved who fairly got free and then was called back into the system, that is the one that shocked me the most and made me physically ill because it literally happened. And I don't know, man. I think this is really well done. I love how the stories ended up coming together because at first, like I said, I thought they were going to be very separate, but they're not. They're folks that end up having this connection, and I feel like I learned a lot. It's a hard book to recommend. I do recommend it. I would say I recommend it. Did I enjoy it? Yeah, I think so. But it's also one that is hard to read. And that is the point, all of this to say, I recommend it, and let me know if you grab it. I think it's definitely worthwhile. I think it's definitely worth paying attention to. And I am really glad that I had this on my radar. So this book is Burned Down Master's House by Clay Kane.
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I keep seeing this one and hearing phenomenal things about it. So I'm glad that you brought that for us.
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I think it's going to be one of those books where I look back at 20, 26 and remember, yep, Burned on Master's House. Kind of like, you know, last year, there's so many that I could be like, oh, I know it was up Corozang and, you know, when the wolf comes home, there's some Books that just stick out. That one is memorable, man. I will certainly not forget it.
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Yeah. Branded in your 2026 reading brain. Yes, well, funny you brought historical horror, because that is the genre that I am bringing for my latest read as well. And that is all the Blood We Share by Camilla Bruce. And I'm. I'm smiling and laughing because Tina asked me a few weeks ago what I was reading, and I shared with her, and she was like, what? Because I don't think that this book was very widely promoted. And the only reason I knew about it is because I was specifically looking for books that revolved around a specific historical event that happened. This particular book is a sinister novel based on the real bloody Benders, who were a serial killer family in the Old west that are now considered a legend or a myth of butchery. And it's been kind of obscured in the shadows of American history. The novel starts with the Bender family moving to Cherryvale. And at first, the townspeople welcomed the rising medium, Kate Bender and her family. Kate's messages from the beyond give their tedious dreams hope, and their mother's potions cure their little ills, but for a price. No one knows about their other business, the shortcut to a better life. And why shouldn't their family prosper? They have been careful. It is only from those who are marked, those who travel alone and can easily disappear, that the Benders have their way with. I'm going to leave it there. The actual synopsis on Goodreads goes a little bit further, but I think that this is a good, good place to let you know who you're going to be following in this story. And the events unfold in a way that I think is more enjoyable if you just leave it there. And again, I picked this up because the story of the Bender family is really fascinating to me. A lot of what we know about them we don't actually know at all. We have accounts from witnesses that told their version of what happened, but all we really know for certain is that this family was really sinister and they were killing people in their home on the Osage Trail. I am just really intrigued by this period of time in American history in general. And I have been drawn to this dark, legendary story ever since I heard about it when I read Lady Killers late last year. This is one of those stories that absolutely builds that sense of dread for you. It is told between several perspectives. We follow Kate, her mother, and then a young boy who lives in Cherryvale and gets to know the Bender family. I thought that it was really beneficial to have these three perspectives. And it added some dimension to what I think may have otherwise been a pretty flat story. We do get glimpses of what may have shaped the Bender family's home life. The creative liberties here, though, felt kind of oddly one dimensional. Instead of adding depth, they seemed to simplify something that could have been way more psychologically complex. I kept wishing that the author had just fully committed to horror, and not just in tone, but also in structure, using the genre as more of a vehicle to explore bigger questions about justice, collective complicity, and the unsettling reality of what people are willing to ignore when the truth feels just too monstrous to face. Those themes are hinted at throughout the story, but they never quite deepen or evolve. And the story brushes up against something really profound, but then it keeps pulling back and not just fully going there. Which left the whole reading feeling more surface level than I want from a story like this. I would say this is a loose recommendation. I gave it 3, maybe 3.5 stars. I'm glad that I read it. I just wish that it had really committed to some of those deeper themes and taken more creative risks in how the story was told. But I also know there are risks in that too when you are talking about something that really happened. So also want to mention that and say that, but I think it is valid how the story was told. The author's note is really great and made me at least appreciate the way she told the story a little bit more. But for me as a reader, I wanted something a little bit different. When I think of historical horror that did this really well while still remaining respectful and set during the same or similar time period on the Oregon Trail. I think of the Hunger by Alma Katsu and that is where I would personally put my recommendation for a book like this. But this was okay, just not my favorite. And that was all the Blood We Share by Camilla Bruce.
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I do love though, when you get a hyper fixation on something and it feels like there's a theme, but not in a way it's prolonged. It's not like you've, you know, brought all of these books back to back to back. I just like that. I like to see that you're still sort of interested in this time period. I don't think that is a bad thing though.
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Okay. I appreciate you validating me in that.
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Speaking of bad things, we're going to talk about bad bookish behavior today.
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Yes, we are.
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And I'm excited. I'm excited too. I think bad bookish behavior right this Is meant to be fun. It's meant to be tongue in cheek. Reading should be fun. Reading should be fun. Clapping in the voice of Summer House if you know, you know. But I do think there's some things that we all do when reading that some people might consider bad behavior. I feel like I have some obvious ones, and then I have some ones that maybe are a little bit less obvious or maybe. Okay, more esoteric. Do you want to just go back and forth?
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Yeah, let's go back and forth. I want to hear your first one.
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Okay. My first one is obvious. And you do this, too. I am guilty of writing all over my books. That is my favorite thing to do. There's nothing I like more than annotating and writing, and it just brings me immense joy. But I do know that there are purists out there who would be aghast if mortified if they knew that there were people that. I also like to fold my pages. I mean, I just am not precious with my copies, and I know that that would irk some.
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Yeah, I am also not precious with my books, kind of in any capacity I have. This isn't the one that I'm bringing, but I guess I am now just while we're having this conversation, but unless it's a collector's copy or something like that that I have, like, on my top shelf, and even my kids play with my books, too, and it just doesn't really bother me that much. I had my paperback that I'm currently reading on my bed open upside down on my bed. You know, like, that's like a bookmark in and of itself. Open it, and then you set it down upside down. And my son came into my room and just whacked it off the bed and bent the top cover, and I was just like, huh? And just put it back up on my bed. It. It does not bother me at all. So we are in alignment there.
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So our daughter, our younger daughter, who's 2, she came to me today with a hardcover and was like, mommy, I need crayons. I was like, no, you don't. Give it back.
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Okay. That's where I draw a line.
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That's where I draw the line. It was okay. I agree. Yeah. I was like, I'm gonna actually probably sell that copy, so give it back to me. But other than that, not too precious.
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Yeah. The book on the bed was also an advanced reader copy, so not one that is going to be going anywhere after I am done reading it, because you can't sell those or really do Anything except for donate them.
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But I like to keep my arcs. I think they're collector's items, so. But I. I agree. I don't mind writing an ARCS more than a hard copy. I don't know. I feel a little bad writing in a hard copy, but I still do it.
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Yeah. Okay. This is not something that I ever deemed bad, like, bad bookish behavior. However, I have learned from posting about it on the Internet that people don't like it when you do this. Or there are some people that really don't like it if you do. So it's one of those polarizing ones, you know, I will not read with the dust jacket on. If I lose that dust jacket, I'll lose the dust jacket. I care more about how I am reading it and I am not precious with my dust jackets at all. And I will not read a book if it has the dust jacket on.
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Okay. Interesting. Okay. I was going to say these are polar opposites. Not precious, not dust jacket. But you don't care about the dust jacket at all. At all. You just not like feels when you're reading it. You want to read it naked.
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I want to read it naked. But when I take the dust jacket off. Wait, you read with the dust jacket on?
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I read with the dust jacket on because I don't like to take it off. Because if I do, then I lose. Ultimately, if I take it off, it gets crushed, and that bothers me. It gets crushed, it gets lost. It gets messed up. And that annoys me, even though it gets plenty messed up. I'm holding one with a rip in it now just by reading it. But at least they're together.
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I take it off, I throw it, and then I usually do find it again, but then I put it back on. It's usually kind of bent or flat.
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Oh, I can't do it. No.
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Yeah.
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That is one that I think people do have big feelings about.
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Yeah. I do not. I don't want to hold open a book with the dust jacket on.
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Okay. It gives you the hebs. Okay. You just don't like it.
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Okay, Fair enough.
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Something else that I do that I don't think is great book behavior is that I is my Libby. My Libby habits. Libby. If you don't know, it's our library app. Everyone's library app, if you live in the US and have access to it. But that is where I get most of my ebooks is through Libby. I'm a girl that will put a hold on a book first. I put a hold probably on the Ebook and the audiobook with the hopes that they'll both come in at the same time. But I used. I will snooze a hold for literal months now. Now I have the option, though, to suspend, which actually works really well for me personally. I know people don't love the spend feature. I actually do love it. I like it because then it doesn't keep bugging me every three weeks or whatever. Would you like to check it out? Would you like to check it out? I can just suspend it.
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Never.
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Never, right? But now talk to me in a year, because you can only suspend it for a year. And I'm already a little nervous because it tells you, like, 340 days left. I'm like, oh, gosh, it's gonna get. It's gonna be lost forever.
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Be shorter and shorter, shorter and shorter.
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Or I'll either snooze it or I'll get annoyed. I used to get annoyed by how many things I would have coming up. Like, this book's available. I would just check them all out at the same time and never read them. But I don't know why. Like, that makes no sense. Just put it on a list. You don't need to have it, but I do. I do need to have it.
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I know. I feel the same way. My next item was also related to the library kind of as a whole. I have the same Libby habits as you do. And as well as with my physical books, when I check them out, I am not always great about returning my books on time, and they're often late. Sorry about that. And I also always check out way more than I can read now. My defense against this is that typically when libraries have more books in circulation, that is good for libraries because it's also evidence of how many books they have checked out at one time, which can oftentimes provide more funding and things like that for the local library librarians, if you're listening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I listened to a podcast episode. There was an interview with another librarian, and they mentioned this. So I used to feel really bad about checking out a bunch of books that I would never be able to read. Until I heard that. And I was like, well, maybe it's not that the best bookish behavior, but it could technically be argued that I'm supporting my library. So we'll call it bad bookish behavior adjacent.
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I. You just reminded me that I will check out books that I've already read because I need the physical copy for content.
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Like, if I'm doing the End of the.
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Right. It's great for libraries. But if I'm doing like an end of the month wrap up and I don't own the book and I have the opportunity to take it home from the library, I'll do that even though I've already read it and I don't technically need the copy and somebody else who hasn't read it yet could probably use it. I also. Hannah, is this bad to admit? I feel like it might be. I take out.
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I mean, now's the time to talk about.
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Now's the time. I feel like I'm in confessional. I also take out large print copies. I feel bad about that, but sometimes, you know, I like a large print too, now and again.
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Well, if you like to read them, then I would say that's okay.
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I also like that they have different covers and sometimes they're available faster. You know, I do feel bad. I'm like, is this a. Is this. This not good for accessibility? But then I'm like, you know, it's. It's once. Once in a blue moon, once in a while. Well, you are good at circulating books.
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It is. And like, I don't think that you have maybe the same problem as I do where you delay returning them for extended periods of time.
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A
No, I don't. I'm pretty good at returning. Do you have fines or fees at your library?
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B
We do technically. But then if you bring the book back, they will be erased.
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A
Not us, man. I've given local library so much money. I mean, it's a dollar fifty here and there. And I almost like, I'm happy to. I'm like, here you go. Whatever.
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B
Yeah, sure.
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A
Support sometimes. Yeah, we still have fees here.
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B
Okay. Yeah. I think it is your turn. Yeah. Because I talked about my also library bad bookish habit.
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A
You reminded me. Okay, okay. So this is one that I know many of you do. And we are responsible in part for this sometimes. And it's that I will have a lovely curated tbr. Like I have a February TBR video this month. And I'm like, oh, how wonderful. I already have all my books picked out. I have the holds place this and that, and then something random will pop up, like, burn down master's house. I was like, I need this immediately. Immediately. I. It's. It leapfrogs over all of the other books and I will immediately start reading it. I feel like that is kind of a mood reader type thing, but also, you know, kind of bad behavior. Forget your tbr. Just read whatever comes across your consciousness. Not the best. But. But why hold on to it? Why hold on to it? You know, if you're excited now, read it.
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B
I just don't even bother making a TBR anymore, you know, I just can't do it because I, like, 100%. I'm betting all of my money that I won't stick to it. Can't stick to it.
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A
You can't even make me a list. One time. One time. I don't remember why. We were. You and I were talking about something. It was last May, and I was like, make a list so specific. Because I. I know where I.
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B
Last May 2025, I was in Charleston, Illinois, for the.
- [32:42]
A
The U. The track meet. IHSA track meet. And I remember I was messaging you. You truly. And I was like, give me your list. And you were like, I. I can't. I didn't make it. I can't. That's fine.
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B
Wait. List for what?
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A
Your short list. Tbr. I was trying to get you to make a priority TBR for some reason. I don't know why.
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B
Well, I think that I told you that I was going to try.
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A
You wanted to try and do it.
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B
I want to try your method. And you were, you know, holding me accountable. And you were like, let's see. And I was like, I am not good under pressure. I don't know. I can't do it.
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A
Meanwhile, I'm great under pressure.
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B
You are great under pressure. And I'm a peer pressure, and you're a peer pressure, which isn't a bad thing until you realize that, you know, the person that you're peer pressuring, you just don't care. You're like, it's not pressured.
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A
No. I'm frankly not bothering you. A deadline.
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B
Oh, gosh, man. Stinks. The deadline's coming up. That is another bookish bad bookish behavior that's kind of related to libraries or even when new releases are coming out. Like, oh, I need to review this book by this time. I. I hear all the time people being like, oh, I need to read this library book or this Libby book by the time it's due back in a week. I'm not.
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A
Not doing it.
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B
If I want to read it, I want to read it. And if I don't, I just simply won't.
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A
Hannah, what Is your netgalley percentage?
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B
72.
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A
Really? Yeah. That's not bad. That's amazing. Mine is much worse. I thought you were gonna say, like, 10%.
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B
No, it's.
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A
I love that you knew it immediately. You knew it. Absolutely. Immediately.
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B
That is Girl.
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A
So funny.
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B
The podcast has helped immensely with my netgalley percentage. Yes. Because I will submit my reviews that I've done on the podcast for, you know, my. My link for my netgalley review. And that has been so helpful. That brought up my percentage like 10% just.
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A
Oh, so you share the link from the podcast, like the podcast episode. Genius. Mine's 57.
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B
I talked about it.
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A
Mine's 57. I don't care who knows it. I've been there.
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B
57 is not the worst percentage I've heard.
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A
No, it's not the worst. But I've also been there since 2016 and I've have a lot of books, so stay off me item.
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B
But I, yeah, very strongly smell spaghetti. And I'm not making spaghetti.
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A
Are you having a straw?
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B
Because my window's open.
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A
Oh.
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B
But I'm like, who's eating spaghetti outside? I don't know, like someone is eating spaghetti.
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A
Do you want to go investigate?
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B
I don't know.
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A
No. Okay.
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B
No. Okay.
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A
I got one more if you want to hear it.
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B
Yeah, hit me, baby.
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A
All right. I have one more bad behavior. And I was doing this last night. As I was in the middle of the night. I was like this rolling over and reading with. At 8pm it was like 1. Shut up. It was about 1 in the morning. It was my first wake up for the evening. And I'm like reading on my phone when I open. But I like to get a few pages in and sometimes, sure, why not Sleep? But I'm like, from a sleep perspective, from an eyesight perspective, probably not the best behavior that I could possibly do. But I. I like it. I don't care.
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B
However, from an insomnia perspective, that really is what you're supposed to do when you wake up. You're not supposed to force yourself to go back to sleep. You're supposed to just accept that you're awake and then eventually let your body tell you when to go back to sleep. So I've heard.
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A
So you've heard.
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B
It can make you anxious when you're just like laying there. Like, if I don't get sleep, then I'm going to be so tired. And so sometimes it's helpful to do something that can help, like your body remember you're supposed to be asleep right now.
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A
I like it. Maybe it's good behavior. Then I. Maybe. I stand corrected. I love that.
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B
Yeah, I didn't bring that as one of mine, but I will listen to audiobooks at night. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I Will use that time. I'm gonna use the time to get. To get some breathing crazy.
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A
Do you just stare at the ceiling and listen to an audiobook? Keep your eyes closed? Are you looking at something else?
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B
Well, I usually have my eyes closed and then typically I'll just eventually fall asleep. I think after an hour and a half or two hours, you lose your.
- [36:59]
A
Spot though, or you remember where you were.
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B
I keep putting sleep timers on. So I'll keep putting sleep timers on for like 20, 30 minutes and then when they go. If they go off and I am still wide awake, then I just reset it and then at a certain point I will just fall asleep and I'll have had my sleep timer on.
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A
And you're. Oh, and you don't miss that much. Okay, that is fascinating. I love that. That knowledge. I will dive into my first book if we are ready to wrap up our bad behavior. Also though, I want to hear you guys tell us what bad things do you do related to reading? I think it's just a fun thing to think about. And if you are somebody who is gasping at my net galley percentage. I admire you. I really do. It's just I'm not. I'm good at a lot of things. I'm not good at the. The back end submission.
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B
Well, we admire you for your better percentage, but we don't admire you for poo pooing person's percentage.
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A
Yes. Quit judging me.
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B
Don't judge Dina.
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A
I'm not judging anybody.
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B
Who am I to judge?
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A
Speaking of judgment, I'm going to tell you about the Better Mother.
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B
Nice.
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A
By Jennifer Vandercloot. I'm holding this book and here's another one of my bad behaviors. I love to fold down pages because I like to go back and annotate. Now, do I always go back and annotate? Of course I don't. But I like it. It reminds me there's some things. Yeah. Just in case I'm going to talk about it at book club. There's something on that page I want to reference. So the Better Mother. I brought this with me to Florida because I wanted a fun popcorn thriller while I was on vacation. And this one absolutely delivered. You're following 34 year old Savannah Mitchell who is recovering from this devastating breakup. It's been about a year and she's ready to get back out there. She's seeing this guy Max casually and gets the shock of her life. She is pregnant and she always wanted to be a mom but wasn't expecting to have a kid with this particular man. But she reaches out to tell him and he tells her that, oh, he just got back with his ex girlfriend, Savannah. Sorry. He just got back with his ex girlfriend, Madison. And the crazy thing is Madison's all too happy to be involved. She's like, great, I would love to be a co parent. Me and Max are going to take care of this baby. We're going to love this baby. Great. And Madison keeps getting closer and closer to Savannah to the point where it becomes uncomfortable. She comes by uninvited, brings her a bunch of healthy food, gives her these vitamins, Is like, you can't be eating fast food. But the crazy thing is she, like, knows specifically what Savannah's been eating. And she's like, what the heck, dude? How do you know all of this? It goes from petty terrorism to really, really freaking unsettling very fast. And you find out as you read, and this is kind of on the back here, that Madison is really a piece of work. Now, this is a for sure popcorn thriller. And as I was reading it, I was getting nervous because I was like, it's a little campy, like a little silly almost, and almost too obvious. And I'm like, is the author in on it? Like, does she know that that's what the reader is going to be thinking, or is she not in on the gag? And it turns out she is. You are being led somewhere. And it was just. Just fun to let go and be like, let me just be entertained. You jump right into the action, which I very much appreciated. You do have to be down with and okay with the quote unquote crazy woman trope. Right? You have to be okay with that. It's a part of what you're getting with this and a part of what you get with thrillers. Oftentimes sounds like the author kind of.
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B
Knew that that's what they were doing, too.
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A
Yes. And I like that. I think that I'm fine with that. When you know that that is a part of. Actually made me think a lot about father's rights, too. I mean, I was like, wait a minute. You know, it gets tricky. It gets very sticky. It made me think about, like, you know, families and, like, the legality of everything and, like, what. What rights does Madison have and this and that? So does it get over the top and ridiculous? Yes, of course. Did I enjoy it also? Yes. I really, really liked this one. I had a fantastic time reading it. This is a debut you and I certainly will be back to read this author because I had an absolutely great time with it. If you want a fun thriller that you could breeze right through that's going to keep you entertained, I highly recommend this one. It's the Better Mother by Jennifer Vanderkleute.
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B
Ooh, a new thriller author to look out for and enjoy books in the future. That's always so exciting.
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A
Yes, let me go over to fantasticfiction.com and add her to my to follow list.
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B
See when she's coming out with another one. That one sounds really fun. I am going to completely shift gears and talk about my first new release. And that is every day I read 53 Ways to Get Closer to Books by Hwang Bo Room and this is translated by Shanna Tan. This essay collection. I don't know if that's exactly what you would call it, but it's a nonfiction novel. It's divided up into chapters that are each on different topics topics, and it provides some answers to the question why do we read? And what is it that we hope to take away from the intimate and personal experience of reading for pleasure? And this collection really allows many quiet moments for introspection and reflection and really encourages book lovers to explore what reading means to each of us. This is definitely a book about books, but it's also at its heart, an attitude to life, one outside of capitalism and climbing the corporate ladder. What she does here is take each essay or section and explore things like the relationship between reading and writing, when to turn to a best seller versus browsing that hidden corner of a bookstore, the value of reading outside of your favorite genre or falling in love with book characters. This was such a charming, easy, breezy listen. I did do this one on audio and I loved the listening experience. I think if you go into this one with the right expectations, you will also really enjoy it too. Just as a reader. If you are an avid reader and if you're listening to this podcast, I can assume that you are. This is not going to be anything that you will find probably super surprising or wildly influential or profound. But I think that if you're someone who enjoys people talking about their reading lives, exploring readerly questions, and if you're someone who reads every single day, and I think many of us do, reading is an active part of our everyday life, then this is a really fun book to compare notes with. Almost like, oh yeah, I do that. Or huh, I've never done that before. Or that might be a good way to read nonfiction moving forward. It was cozy, light, and each chapter is almost like its own section of Book Talk, if you will. I particularly loved the chapter on reading fiction, there is a quote from the section that reads reads novels don't tell us how to live, but show us that it's possible to live a different way. And I loved that. And I would love to have that quote just sitting on my bookshelf somewhere. I think that's such a lovely perspective on way to view reading fictional stories and how much they can foster just empathy and compassion for the human experience. Overall, I think if you're looking for a nonfiction book to help you hit a reading goal, or that you can just read quickly in one setting that you can pop in your ears and listen to while you're making dinner one night, or sit in your couch and read in one evening, then this is a great one to pick up. I really enjoyed it, even if it didn't provide anything that I feel like was incredibly profound or new. Still very enjoyable, very cozy. And that is every day I read 53 Ways to Get Closer to Books, Books by Huang Bo Room.
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A
I love that. And what a great reminder, reading Bill's Empathy. And I think that's why a lot of us love to read so much. It's like, I'm not going to ever. Well, I hope I never have to live this lady's life. I'm holding the mother deal with that crazy situation. But it sort of makes you see life through different people's eyes. And I really, really love that perspective.
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B
Yeah, me too.
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A
All right, I will take you into my next new release. And this is a book called Good Intentions by Marissa Walls. And. And you may have heard me talk about this already. I did a video on it for the publisher for St. Martin's Press, and they put a little marketing money behind it. And all of a sudden there's like 200,000 people that saw my little video and it made me nerve. I would like to say, though they did not pay me to read this and rate it highly. They just said, hey, would you like to do a video for us? I said, sure. My second sponsored post probably ever. And it did great. But some people were like, they know if it's sponsored, we're not going to believe her. Right? And I'm thinking you must not know that I've been talking about books for free for many, many years at this point. But I genuinely do recommend this book. It's okay. It's good intentions, like I said. And it is about Katie. Katie is one of the more interesting characters I've read in a while. She is a luxury event planner. She's been married to the man she's loved since she was 17 years. And she is also an identical twin. In the very beginning of the book, the worst happens. Her twin gets in a serious car accident and dies, and her life understandably goes into a tailspin. And Katie is known to have a very addictive personality. She loves hard, she's driven, and she obsesses. And while they're in the hospital waiting to get news about her sister, she sees a woman named Morgan there who is also receiving devastating news. And Katie becomes fixated on her. She becomes fixated on who this woman is, what happened that day at the hospital, and she sort of wants to get to know her. I will leave it at that. This book, you are in the main character's head the entire time. So it's important to know that if you pick this one up and you're like, wow, I don't really like this lady. Maybe this isn't the book for you because you really are sitting with her. There's not really any other characters that you are hearing from. I like that though. Now and again, we get so many books with multiple perspectives, dual timelines, that it was nice for me to just sit with this character in all of her mess for an entirety of her book. Now, this is a book about grief. I would almost call it family drama versus a thriller. It doesn't. It. It's not nearly as over the top as the Better Mother. Okay. It is more subtle than that, but also in a very satisfying way. I did not know what to make of Katie. Do I love her? Do I hate her? Do I want to be her? I don't think I want to be her. But there. She's got a lot of admirable qualities that I was like, okay, I could see how you got yourself into this pickle. It's one that made me uncomfortable. It made me kind of read. Read with my hands over my eyes, if you will, Because I'm like, oh, no, how's this going to end up? It is a slow burn, train wreck, and it is great until the very final page. I highly recommend this one. I thought it was really well done and I had a great time reading it. So happy to recommend it. This book is Good Intentions by Marissa Walls.
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B
I love that you're having so many winners to bring to to us today. That's always good when that happens. It feels good to talk about the good ones.
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A
It feels good to talk about the good ones. I have three Highly recommend. I highly recommend all three of these. Also, not for nothing, this one is set In Chicago. And it's very much set in Chicago. She's like, oh, and I turned left here on this road and you know, whatever. So for not for nothing, she is a Chicago author.
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B
Oh, I love that. That is so fun. I am going to be bringing a new release that I. I don't know if I would slot under the thriller category. I would definitely say that this is suspense. It's the Briars by Sarah Crouch. And this book follows Annie Heston, who is desperate to escape a relationship that went horribly wrong. And she flees to the north to accept a job as a game warden at Lake Lumen, which is this picturesque town in the mountains of the Pacific Northwest West. There is a cougar that has been spotted in the area. And as Annie warns the community of this threat, she quickly discovers that not everybody in this tight knit town is very welcoming of outsiders, with the exception of Daniel Barella. And this is a reclusive carpenter who lives in the shadow of the mountain. And he and Annie form kind of this instant bond. And Annie also soon comes to realize that there is more to Daniel that meets the eye as well. But then the body of a young woman is found in the briars that border Daniel's property. And the piece that Annie has found in Lake Lumen begins to shatter as she starts questioning who to trust. As she assists the local sheriff with the investigation, Annie must rely on her wilderness training and intuition to find out exactly what is going on in this northwest town. So this isn't really a book that I would typically pick pick up. I did see that my friend Molly was planning on reading this one and I really share very similar taste with her. And I want to say that she read Middle Tide, which was this author's book that came out last year a couple of years ago and enjoyed that one. So I really picked this up because it's a new release. I had the audio copy from Libro fm. So thank you to them for my advanced listener copy. It sounded good. It sounded interesting. I feel like with suspicious suspense novels or thrillers or mysteries of any kind that often times, I don't know, the plot of this one just sounded unique. We're dealing with a cougar. It's kind of set in this Pacific Northwest town. And that is why I decided to pick it up and give it a listen. I did listen to this on audio. I do recommend listening to it if you decide to pick this up. I am surprised by how much I ended up enjoying this one. I think that it has complex characters it was told in multiple points of view. We're following Annie. We also get to follow Jake the sheriff, and then we also get to follow Daniel. And I think that all three of those perspectives really added a lot to the story and I really enjoyed all of them. If I had to choose, I would say that I enjoyed Daniels the most because there was really kind of this mystery folded into his character as well. I really did like Annie. I think so often I can get so annoyed or frustrated with female leads if they're, you know, detectives or in this case, she's a game warden. But I actually really enjoyed her. She was scrappy, but also kind, kind of an easy character to root for. And I, I enjoyed, I enjoyed following her perspective. I will say, say, and I think that this is why this book isn't getting fabulous reviews out the gate is that this does start slipping into romance territory kind of more than I was even anticipating. And obviously I don't mind that. I'm a romance reader. And while I didn't feel like it necessarily seamlessly was woven into this plot, I personally enjoyed it. But if I could take my bias out of it maybe a little bit, I could see some readers really not liking that direction. And so it's not, it's not really implied that it's going to happen as heavily as it does in the synopsis. And so I feel like it's worth mentioning in case you were thinking about picking this up. And that's going to be something that, you know, might bother you going into it. However, by the end, you do find out what's going on with the cougar, with Daniel, with all of these characters, with the woman that was found toward the beginning of the novel. All of that gets wrapped up. And I wasn't necessarily shocked by the ending, but I also wasn't there being like, oh, I knew it. I was like, oh, I wasn't really expecting that. I suppose it makes sense, even if it wasn't shocking. So I liked how it ended. I enjoyed following these characters and I didn't mind the little romance elements. I would say that I enjoyed this one. I'm glad that I read it, even if it's just a loose recommendation. And that is the Briars by Sarah Crouch.
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A
They can't all be a five star banger, but they can all be five stars. I'm glad that you reviewed it though, because I feel like we still get, we still know what we are getting into. Also, how funny that you picked up a romantic suspense novel, given our last week's episode.
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B
I meant to mention that yeah, I actually almost brought this this to that episode because I had finished it in time, but for reasons I decided to bring it to this one. But I definitely think that I could have slotted it in. At first I was wondering if it would be considered a spoiler, but I don't think so. I've seen other people mention it and it doesn't give anything away in the actual plot, so I think it's fine to mention it. But yeah, I ended up deciding to bring it to today's show instead.
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A
All right, well, either way we get to hear about it now. My shelf edition, I have a feeling is going to be a real humble brag. It's a galley brag if you will, because I got a copy of the Burning side by Sarah Very nice author of the Bright Years. Now that is not a book that I read, but I wanted to bring this because I know a lot of people are excited by this author and I'm sure are going to want to hear about this. Comes out in June 2026 from Simon and Schuster. So thanks to them for my arc and this is story of a couple on the brink of collapse when their house goes up in flames. Family secrets and thorny histories emerge as they are forced to decide what is worth salvaging. So you have April and Leo, and their house burns in the middle of the night. When they escape with their two young children and the quiet knowledge that the fire is not the only thing threatening their family, they retreat to April's childhood home in Dallas, where her spirited parents and siblings provide both comfort and complications. As the family reckons with the aftermath, the fire exposes cracks already forming in April and Leo's marriage. The novel unfolds in alternating perspectives from April, who feels a crushing weight of motherhood, marriage and self blame. From Leo, a high school history teacher shaped by a lonely, fractured childhood. And Deb, April's generous and no nonsense mother who has to contend with her husband's recent Alzheimer's diagnosis. And from flashbacks of April and Leo's relationship, this is a family saga suffused with humor, longing and heartbreak. And it's about what we inherit and what we choose. About forgiveness and about being known. This is definitely going to be one that will resonate with a lot of readers. That is my prediction. I don't know if I'm gonna read it myself. I might. I might. But I might also wait and hear what others have to say about this. I'm hesitant because it sounds heavy and I am Always nervous about an Alzheimer's diagnosis. Personally, I don't love to see it because that's a huge fear of mine. And it's also a big fear of mine to lose our house in a fire. Obviously I think everyone has that, so I'll wait and see. But the book, I'm sure is wonderful. And it's the Burning side by Sarah Damoff.
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B
Mean. And Sarah Damoff has covers that pop off.
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A
Oh yeah, her covers go crazy. This is beautiful. Beautiful.
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B
So beautiful. And similar in the fact that it kind of has that like painting look to it, which the Bright Years also had or released last year. So I really like that style that she's kind of sticking with it.
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A
It's really pretty.
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B
Really pretty.
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A
It's like a. It's like a fiery sunset. And you're looking at phone poles actually, or electricity poles and birds on it. Blue. It's really color colorful. Look it up if you're not watching us.
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B
Yes. And would meet this year's prompt for clouds for our.
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A
Yes, our book talk.
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B
Reading challenge.
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A
Reading challenge on storygraph. You are absolutely right. My gosh, there's so many books with clouds.
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B
So many I never knew until I was looking for books for that prompt. Yes. Well, my shelf edition also has a cool cover, although it's very different. It's the End of Rome Romance by Lily Meyer and it has a pretty simplistic cover. And then it has like this upside down turtle on it that is carrying this little flower in its mouth. But the colors in this one are just really pretty. And this is about Sylvie, who was raised to chase joy. Her Holocaust survivor grandparents taught her that life is meant to be grabbed tightly and to be enjoyed. So when she finds her herself stuck in an emotionally abusive marriage, it completely unravels her sense of self. After leaving the marriage, she throws herself into grad school and adopts a new philosophy. Real freedom for straight women means cutting romance out of the equation entirely. She decides that she can enjoy men, just never get attached. No sleepovers, no cuddling, no repeats. Easy enough until she meets two very different men. Robbie is kind and steady, offering her a softness she didn't realize she missed. And AB is intense and magnetic, constantly challenging her. And with both of them, Sylvie starts feeling something suspiciously like love. And suddenly her anti romance theory doesn't feel so airtight. This is said to be funny, smart and emotionally sharp about a woman determined not to fall in love. And what happens when she does? Anyway, I think it sounds so good. I've heard a couple. Couple of really positive early reviews for this one and this is already out came out February 3rd, so it's a brand new release but is available as it sits right now. And that is the End of Romance by Lily Meyer.
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A
I like that, the sound of that one. That sounds like it's a good one and it's so funny I have not heard it before you brought it.
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B
I hadn't either but the publisher reached out to me and pitched it and said does this sound good? Can we send you a copy? And I said, said that sounds very good and I would love a copy, but a couple people that I have texted like pictures of it to and been like, oh, I just got this in the mail. My friend Kat from Read With Kat said that she just finished it and really enjoyed it. So hearing a couple of early buzzy things about it makes me even more excited to give it a try.
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A
I love when that happens.
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B
Me too.
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A
Well, I am off to Netgalley to submit some of these reviews. Reviews.
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B
There you go. Yeah, do it.
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A
But that's it for today. We thank you for spending a part of your day with us. Links to all the books mentioned can be found in the show notes. And if you enjoyed today's episode, you can help us by following wherever you listen and by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps us get our show out to new listeners and grows our audience. And don't forget, if you'd like access to exclusive bonus content in community, you can join us for fax a month on Patreon.com BookTalk Etc.
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B
If you'd like to connect with us, you can email us@booktalk etcmail.com you can also connect with us both at BookTalk Etc. On Instagram and YouTube. You can find Tina, TBR Etc and Hannah at HandpickedBooks. Talk to you next week. And in the meantime, remember, everything's better with books.
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A
Boily Pop.
- [61:09]
B
That's a regular degular. Boily Pop.
- [61:11]
A
Boily Pop. I like that. There is no equivalent though. No, no, you can't really. Girly Pop's fun.
- [61:20]
B
I know. Girly pop is fun.