Raegan Revord Isn’t Your Typical Gen Z Author

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bookmarked by Reese’s Book Club

Episode: "Raegan Revord Isn’t Your Typical Gen Z Author"

Date: September 2, 2025
Host: Danielle Robay
Featured Guests: Eliana Ramage, Raegan Revord

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Overview

This episode of Bookmarked by Reese’s Book Club delivers a double feature with two conversations spotlighting debut women authors:

• Eliana Ramage, author of the month's Reese’s Book Club pick, To the Moon and Back—a moving story blending Native and sexual identity with dreams of space.
• Raegan Revord, Gen Z actor turned author, who discusses her first YA novel, Rules for Fake Girlfriends, and her experiences balancing fame, writing, and navigating coming-of-age themes relevant to young people today.

Both discussions reveal the thoughtful motivations, real-world influences, and hopes these writers have for their books and readers, with host Danielle Robay offering a warm, energetic tone and facilitating insightful Q&A throughout.

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Segment 1: September Reese’s Book Club Pick with Eliana Ramage

[02:21–13:11]

Main Theme

Eliana Ramage introduces her debut novel, To the Moon and Back, a contemporary coming-of-age family saga centering on Native (Cherokee) and sexual identity, generational legacy, and the exploration of space as both metaphor and motivation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

• Author’s Publication Day Traditions

  • Eliana talks about keeping a box of her books secret (having the Reese's Book Club seal) to surprise her parents and plans to celebrate publication day with family brunch.
    • “I want to have them over and open the box and tell them. I’m really, really excited about that.” — Eliana Ramage [04:16]

• Book Synopsis

  • Eliana summarizes the novel’s story:
    • Follows Steph, a young woman aspiring to be the first Cherokee astronaut.
    • Themes of belonging—to self, family, people, and community.
    • Interweaves love, ambition, intergenerational responsibilities, and identity.
    • “It is a coming of age novel about the power of belonging to ourselves, our families, our people, and one another.” — Eliana Ramage [04:59]

• On Space as Inspiration

  • Space stands for hope and possibility, group progress, and continuity:
    • “Space represents possibility... What would it mean for us to instead think of space as a continuation? When we go there, we're all going.” — Eliana Ramage [05:53]
    • Eliana doesn’t want the future to mean letting go of what matters.

• Celebrating Cherokee Identity Today

  • The story redefines Cherokee life in a current, global context, away from historical limitations and stereotypes.
    • “I really wanted to write against... this idea of perceived point of authenticity before removal, before the Trail of Tears... that's not true.” — Eliana Ramage [08:02]
    • Space as a symbol for possibilities for being Cherokee today and in the future.

• Personal Journey Learning Cherokee Language

  • Studying Cherokee is challenging but meaningful, especially after the birth of her daughter.
    • “If something matters to me as a mother, I can give what I do have... It's been a path.” — Eliana Ramage [09:42]

• Bookshelf Pairings

  • Would like her novel shelved with titles like Brotherless Night by V.V. Ganeshananthan, The Love Songs of W.E.B. Du Bois, and Great Circle by Maggie Shipstead [10:44].

• Hidden Details From Real Life

  • The first tri-council meeting of the Cherokee bands, a real event, is fictionalized in the novel.
    • “It wasn't thrilling, but it was emotionally very special to get to be there with family and friends.” — Eliana Ramage [11:36]

• Quirky Hypothetical: If Her Book Went To Space

  • Childhood memory of “space ice cream”—actually “Styrofoam with sugar in it”—not appetizing but memorable. [12:24]

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Memorable Quotes

• “We just don't know what's next.” — Eliana Ramage on optimism and space [07:36]
• “Cherokee is famously a hard language for English speakers to learn.” — Danielle Robay [08:45]

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Notable Timestamped Segments

• [03:06] — September pick announced: To the Moon and Back.
• [04:59] — Book described in “space shuttle countdown” timing.
• [05:53] — Meaning of space in the story.
• [08:58] — Experience learning Cherokee language.

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Segment 2: Raegan Revord – Gen Z Author of Rules for Fake Girlfriends

[17:25–49:44]

Main Theme

Raegan Revord, actor (famed as Missy on Young Sheldon) and prolific Gen Z creator, debuts her YA novel, Rules for Fake Girlfriends. She discusses how her multifaceted life and Gen Z perspective inform her writing, how she plays with rom-com tropes, and her message to young readers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

• Raegan’s Entry Into Writing

  • Grew up writing stories, transition to novel feels natural after years of acting and cinematic storytelling.
    • “I've been writing since I was five... Because of being in the film world, I see things so cinematically, and so I think it helped me being able to write a novel because I did kind of write it more in a… movie cinematic format almost.” — Raegan Revord [21:16]

• Balancing Writing, School, and Acting

  • Managed extremely full schedule: filming, writing, studying, social life, and learning to drive.
    • “All in a 12 hour filming day, I would, like, work, do school, and then work on my book as well. And then also maintaining a normal social life.” — Raegan Revord [22:29]
    • Hiding laptop under the table between takes: “I would literally be in a dinner scene, have my laptop under the table...they would say, cut, pull my computer out, write a little bit, and then hide it.” [22:42]

• Character and Casting

  • Characters are inspired by traits from herself and people she knows.
    • Elements drawn from her life: love of rom-coms, black cat named Circe. [24:11]
    • Fan-casts: Katherine Newton as Charlie, Emily Blunt as the mother, Rachel McAdams for “mom in the family stone”.

• Reinventing Classic Tropes

  • Each chapter centers around a “rom-com rule,” with fresh, sometimes satirical, twists (e.g., protagonist is realistically broke).
    • “I made fun of those tropes… The chapter heading is ‘the heroine is broke but has a stunning apartment,’ and in the chapter, Avery’s decorating her apartment and putting a rug over a little mold spot…” — Raegan Revord [25:16]

• On Gen Z Representation

  • Rejects stereotypes about Gen Z (“phone addicted, slang slinging”), showing individuality, depth, and real diversity among young people.
    • “Every Gen Z, just youth in general, teen, young person—like, they're so unique. And so... in the book, I really wanted to show that... they're all different.” — Raegan Revord [29:34]

• Greek Mythology & Inspirations

  • Deep love of Greek mythology; references abound in the book. [30:43]
    • “Percy Jackson when I was little started it off… and the book Circe by Madeline Miller. Song of Achilles…” — Raegan Revord [31:03]

• Theme: Figuring Yourself Out

  • Central message for readers: it’s okay not to have it all figured out—give it time.
    • “Just give it time. You can’t rush trying to figure something out… trusting that time will answer whatever you're not certain in.” — Raegan Revord [36:37]

• YA Is For Everyone

  • Argues that YA fiction isn’t just for teens—relatable for all ages and can be both nostalgic and educational.
    • “Anyone can read YA because even if you are in your 40s reading about a college student… at some point… you were an 18, 19-year-old… For people who are older reading YA, it could almost be nostalgia.” — Raegan Revord [39:45]

• Advice to Young Writers

  • “Write down everything you see”—capture observation, dialogue, ideas in your notes, and trust your intuition.
    • “My notes app is just full of the most random things… write down any instance… you think you could pull upon later.” — Raegan Revord [42:45]
    • “Trusting your gut… most of the time that little voice is right.” [43:36]

• Book Recommendations for Fall

  • Queen of Faces (“fantasy, so good”), Invitation Only by Alexandra Brown Chang (behind-the-scenes debutante tale), When We Were Monsters by Jennifer Niven. [45:09]

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Memorable Quotes

• “I love England so much. It's my favorite place… if it ever... becomes a movie, I want to film in England.” — Raegan Revord [27:22]
• “If you have a problem with me, text me. And if you don't have my number, you don't have a reason to have a problem with me.” — Tom Holland (quoted by Raegan Revord) [47:04]

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Notable Timestamped Segments

• [21:16] — On writing and cinematic storytelling.
• [22:26] — Balancing acting, school, and writing.
• [25:16] — Reinventing classic rom-com tropes.
• [29:34] — Discussion on Gen Z identity and reading habits.
• [36:37] — Takeaway message for readers: trust time to figure things out.
• [42:45] — Advice for new writers.
• [45:09] — Fall book recommendations.

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Speed Round: Rapid-Fire Q&A

[48:28–49:37]

A fun, lighthearted round with Raegan Revord:

• Fake dating or enemies to lovers?

  • “Enemies to lovers.” [48:37]

• Coffee shop date or movie date?

  • “Coffee shop date.” [48:43]

• Book dog-eared the most?

  • “Harry Potter, Order of the Phoenix.” [48:47]

• Book or snacks for life?

  • “Lifetime supply of books.” [48:55]

• Rule of friendship?

  • “Always do a check-in.” [49:00]

• Best thing about being a writer?

  • “Being able to show someone how to step into someone else’s shoes.” [49:15]

• Book most often gifted?

  • “Midnight Library by Matt Haig.” [49:30]

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Notable Quotes

• “I've just been thinking about that a lot. So that's probably what I've bookmarked.” — Raegan Revord on a touching message from a “Young Sheldon” castmate [46:05]
• “The best thing about being a writer is being able to show someone else how to step into someone else's shoes.” — Raegan Revord [49:15]

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Takeaways

• Eliana Ramage’s interview is a moving window into the importance of seeing Indigenous and queer identities in contemporary, even futuristic, stories—space as metaphor for both hope and belonging.
• Raegan Revord’s journey is Gen Z in action: ambitious, community-minded, genre-aware, remixing tropes, and bringing hard-won honesty into YA.
• YA is for everyone—not limited by age or generation, and books can nurture or restore confidence at any stage of life.
• Observation and patience—both crucial in writing, creating, and growing up.

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Suggested For Listeners Who:

• Love insightful bookish conversations with authors.
• Are interested in Indigenous storytelling and representation.
• Want to see how Gen Z approaches reading, YA writing, and “classic” romance tropes.
• Enjoy practical writing advice from young, relatable voices.

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To the Moon and Back by Eliana Ramage and Rules for Fake Girlfriends by Raegan Revord are both available now, and recommended for readers who love layered, contemporary stories with both heart and humor.

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Transcript

[Eliana Ramage]

This is an I Heart Podcast.

[Danielle Robay]

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[Scotty Landis]

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[Warren Campbell]

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[Culture Raises Us Host]

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[Warren Campbell]

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[Culture Raises Us Host]

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[Regan Revoord]

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[Scotty Landis]

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[Regan Revoord]

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[Danielle Robay]

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[Regan Revoord]

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[Scotty Landis]

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[Danielle Robay]

Podcasts bookmarked by Reese's Book Club is presented by Apple Books. Hi, I'm Danielle Robe, and welcome to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club. We have two great conversations this week. Later in the episode, we're talking with Regan Revoord, actor, book club founder, YA aficionado, and now author of their very own young adult novel, Rules for Fake Girlfriends. But first, it's the first Tuesday of the month, so you know what that means. It's time to announce the latest Reese's Book Club pick. Reese, take it away. Okay. The September Reese's Book Club pick is.

[Regan Revoord]

To the Moon and Back by Eliana Ramage.

[Eliana Ramage]

You guys, this book is so riveting.

[Regan Revoord]

I think you're gonna love it. You won't be able to put it down.

[Eliana Ramage]

I hope you enjoy it.

[Danielle Robay]

Per usual, Reese is spot on. To the Moon and Back is a thoughtful, layered family saga that combines native identity and sexual identity and space. And its author, Eliana Ramage, is here with us today for her very first interview as a Reese's Book Club pick. You're in the right place. Let's turn the page with Eliana. Eliana, welcome to the club.

[Eliana Ramage]

Thank you so much. It's so good to be here.

[Danielle Robay]

I'm so excited you're here. It is your debut novel. And usually when I speak to authors on their pub day, I ask them about their pub traditions. But since it is your first and I know it won't be your last, are there any traditions you'd like to start?

[Eliana Ramage]

I have so many plans, but the first thing I want to do is. So the copies of the book arrived at my house like two weeks ago, and my parents haven't been able to see them because they have the Reese's Book Club seal on them. And so to preserve the secrecy of that, it's been like that box of copies of the book has been under the bed and I want to have them over and open the box and tell them I'm really, really excited about that. And then I want to spend the day with family, go to brunch. That's as far as I've gotten.

[Danielle Robay]

I love that you said brunch and not dinner because it's a different type of celebration. So in the time that it takes for a space shuttle countdown, can you describe what your book is about? Yes.

[Eliana Ramage]

It is a coming of age novel about the power of belonging to ourselves, our families, our people, and one another. It's about Steph. She's a young woman on a quest to become the first Cherokee astronaut. And it's about the women she loves best, whose lives are changed by that epic journey. In order to realize that dream, she has to navigate love, ambition, and what she might owe past and future generations. So I'd say add it to heart. It's about what it looks like to try to find belonging, to find your way home. Even when home feels really far away.

[Danielle Robay]

We just hit the atmosphere. What is it about space and astronauts that captured your imagination enough to devote your work to them?

[Eliana Ramage]

I think for me and for my main character, Steph, space represents possibility. I think it's a way for me to think about a continuation of a story, like a story of humanity, because it's such a group project. And the first time that we meet Steph, she is escaping something really, really scary with her family. She looks up at the moon, and in that moment when we first meet her, I think that she understands space to be an escape. Like where you try to cut yourself off from where you came from, from that old story and just start a new one is how she might imagine at that time, life on Mars. But kind of the journey of the book. And what was interesting to me was what would it mean for us to instead think of space as a continuation? When we go there, we're all going. I don't actually mean everyone has to be on Mars. I deeply, deeply hope that most of us are on Earth, but that we bring the things that matter to us with us wherever we go next. And so it's an space for me is connected to optimism. But that optimism is like this hope that we can take the past and the future and keep them together. I don't want the future to mean letting go of things that matter to us here.

[Danielle Robay]

The way you're describing it, it also sounds like it's infinite, which there's a hope and an optimism in that too.

[Eliana Ramage]

Yes. We just don't know what's next.

[Danielle Robay]

So your book celebrates your indigenous heritage, and a lot of readers may not be super familiar with the Cherokee Nation. As you wrote down the customs and the culture of your people, what were you excited to share with readers?

[Eliana Ramage]

Oh, so much. I was really interested in this story taking place today. It was exciting to me to have this Cherokee story happen in a time and maybe a place that people weren't there expecting. These Cherokee characters, particularly Steph finds her way all over the world. And I really wanted to kind of write against, as someone who's from the southeastern U.S. this idea of perceived point of authenticity before removal, before the Trail of Tears, and then our points of connection after that are just like, less, less, less, less, less. And that's not true. And I think space was a way to share all the different possibilities for what it could look like to be Cherokee today and in the future.

[Danielle Robay]

I read that Cherokee is famously a hard language for English speakers to learn. Is there a word that you love in Cherokee or a phrase that comes to you often?

[Eliana Ramage]

So I started studying Cherokee right after college with my friend Greg. And what I realized maybe a year into that whole process was, like, I learned just enough to understand, as you just said, that it was really, really hard. But I think I've been kind of on a journey with that. That lines up with the journey of writing this book. Because when I first started studying it, I kept thinking, after the first year especially, I kept thinking, like, I should step away from this because I had such high hopes. And I realized pretty quickly that I wasn't going to become fluent. And then the cynicism of, like, well, why bother? Step came in. And about seven months ago, when my daughter was born, I had this, like, slow return. Not of interest. I was always interested in it, but I had this slow return of motivation that, you know, if I'm going to be reading stories every night with, like, animals in them, then I want her to hear the words for different animals in Cherokee, or if there's numbers, if there's songs. Like, it's been a path of, like, if something matters to me as a mother, I can give what I do have. And that's sort of where I am right now.

[Danielle Robay]

I think that's such a familiar feeling to so many Americans because so many of us come from different cultures and we're all trying to pass down things that are meaningful to us. So I really understand that.

[Regan Revoord]

Yes.

[Danielle Robay]

So this book dives into a lot of subcultures. Actually, I was thinking about where it would sit at a bookstore. Where do you see it? Are there other titles or authors that you would love for it to be shelved in between?

[Eliana Ramage]

So many. So just one would be Brotherless Knight by Vivi Ganeshanandan. It's set during the Civil War in Sri Lanka, and there's a young woman who wants to be a doctor. So in terms of, like, ambition, those two are friends. And another one is the Love Songs of W.E.B. du Bois by Honore Ferran Jeffers. Epic, epic, epic family saga about a black American family across generations. And one more is Great Circle by Maggie Shipstead. Since it's about, like, a pioneering aviator woman.

[Danielle Robay]

Are there any layers or small details in the book that you're especially excited for readers to notice.

[Eliana Ramage]

There were a few settings or projects, things that were taken from real life. One of them was the first tri council meeting that my family went to in 2012. It's in the book set in a different time. It's a fictionalized version of the real. But the real thing was the first time that the three different bands of Cherokee people were brought together since the Trail of Tears. It was like a council meeting. It wasn't thrilling, but it was emotionally very special to get to be there with family and friends.

[Danielle Robay]

Very cool. I'm going to ask you a silly question. If your book went to space, your actual book, I just imagine it in the seatbelt, although the lack of gravity might take it floating up. Anyways, if your book went to space, what snack would you pack with it for the astronauts?

[Eliana Ramage]

I keep thinking astronaut ice cream or what's it called? Space ice cream.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah.

[Eliana Ramage]

I went on a school field trip to Huntsville where there's like a space center. I went there when I was a child and everybody was really, really excited about space ice cream. And it might be different now and it might not even be real, but it was like Styrofoam with sugar in it.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, it doesn't sound so appetizing.

[Eliana Ramage]

So like they wouldn't want me to. I don't think they would want me to send that with them. But I just, that's like such a core childhood memory of like, oh, astronauts are just like floating in the expanse all the time and they're eating this styrofoam, which none of that makes sense.

[Danielle Robay]

It's so wild. Okay, well, good thing we don't have to eat Styrofoam. Eliana, thank you so much. I can't wait to talk to you next month.

[Eliana Ramage]

Thank you.

[Danielle Robay]

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[Warren Campbell]

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[Culture Raises Us Host]

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[Warren Campbell]

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[Culture Raises Us Host]

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[Warren Campbell]

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[Culture Raises Us Host]

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[Warren Campbell]

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[Danielle Robay]

Welcome back to bookmarked by Reese's Book Club. Now we have another debut author on their pub day. Big day around here, guys. Reagan Revoord is a lot of things. They're an actor, producer, philanthropist, book club founder, friend of Reese's Book Club, as sort of a young adult consultant, and now author of their own YA novel, Rules for Fake Girlfriends. Also, I have to tell you that YA stands for young adult because I said YA to my mom last week and she had no idea what I was talking about. Here's the gist. Rom com obsessed Avery Blackwell just moved to Seaside, England to learn more about her deceased mom. She strikes a deal with a charming stranger on the train named Charlie. And if Avery pretends to be Charlie's girlfriend to make her ex jealous, Charlie will help Avery find out more about her mom. It's a fake dating romance with a mystery twist, and it's out today. Did I mention that Regan is only 17 years old? I know. Pretty awesome. Let's turn the page with Regan Revoord. Reagan, welcome to the club.

[Regan Revoord]

Thank you for having me.

[Danielle Robay]

You know, it's kind of like you've been a part of this club for a long time because you are really part of the hello Sunshine family and the Reese's Book Club family. And we've gotten to know each other, so I'm so grateful for your friendship.

[Regan Revoord]

Guys, I go here. I. I go here.

[Danielle Robay]

So you've been on TV for years and you just wrote a rom com titled Rules for Fake Girlfriends. First of all, I love the title, but I have to know who your favorite TV girlfriends are, because I was thinking about mine, and you're 17, so I feel like they're probably going to be different.

[Regan Revoord]

Okay, wait, what are yours? Tell me yours. And then I'LL tell you mine.

[Danielle Robay]

Okay, number one is for sure, the women of Sex and the City.

[Regan Revoord]

Oh, I haven't watched that, but I know of it.

[Danielle Robay]

But I haven't watched it. That's for later in your life.

[Regan Revoord]

Okay.

[Danielle Robay]

And then I loved Girlfriends, which was Tracee Ellis Ross.

[Regan Revoord]

Oh, I've heard of that. Yes, I know that.

[Danielle Robay]

And you know what? I love the friends in Princess Diaries. Anne Hathaway and her friend. They were so cute.

[Regan Revoord]

I love Princess Diaries so much.

[Danielle Robay]

Okay, so we're on the same page.

[Regan Revoord]

We're on the same page here. I do. I. I feel happy. I know one of them.

[Danielle Robay]

I'm like, who are your favorite TV girlfriends?

[Regan Revoord]

Ooh, favorite TV girlfriends. I love. You said sex in the City. I'm saying sex lives with college girls.

[Danielle Robay]

Love.

[Regan Revoord]

Oh, my God. Okay, great. So I love Leighton Renee Rapp's character, and I love that whole friend group so much.

[Danielle Robay]

Yes. It's so real.

[Regan Revoord]

And then maybe the. I don't know. Have you seen Heartstopper? Because maybe the Heartstopper friend group.

[Danielle Robay]

No. Tell me why do you like them?

[Regan Revoord]

I love it because it's very found family, and so I love them. And then there's also two characters in it. Their names are Tara and Darcy, and they're actually girlfriends. And so it's like a found family friend group. And then there's the girlfriends in it. So it's a perfect. I love it.

[Danielle Robay]

That's so cool. Well, your nearly 8 million followers across platforms got to know you as Missy on young Sheldon. But I heard your friends call you Ray, like Ray of sunshine. Is that true?

[Regan Revoord]

Yeah. I only ever got get called Ray by, like, my mother if it's, like, serious. But like, everyone else says, Ray, and I love it. It's very cute.

[Danielle Robay]

Well, you grew up on set, and I'm guessing you spent time and learned from some very talented TV writers during that time. Did writing a novel feel like a natural extension of your storytelling brain, or did it completely terrify you?

[Regan Revoord]

Both, actually. I feel like I've always wanted to write a book. I've been writing since I was like, five, so it's always kind of something that I've done, just never seriously. And then I felt like it was a really natural jump because it is storytelling. And I think that it worked because I. Because of being in the film world, I see things so cinematically, and so I think it helped me being able to write a novel because I did kind of write it more in a, like, movie cinematic format almost.

[Danielle Robay]

I need you to tell everybody what Your schedule was like, while you were writing this, because I. You, like, Beyonce has 24 hours a day in a day, and so does Reagan. I don't understand how you did this while you were. I don't want to say it for you, but going to school, yeah, it was.

[Regan Revoord]

It was a lot. So I was on set filming, and then I was writing the book and then doing school.

[Danielle Robay]

You had night school two or three days a week?

[Regan Revoord]

Every day.

[Danielle Robay]

Oh, you had night school every day.

[Regan Revoord]

I was doing school on set. So all in, like, a 12 hour filming day. I would, like, work, do school and then work on my book as well. And then also maintaining a normal social life.

[Danielle Robay]

And learning how to drive.

[Regan Revoord]

Yes, and learning how to drive. So it was very chaotic. But I would literally be in a dinner scene and I would have my laptop under the table on my lap. They would say, cut. Pull my computer out, write a little bit, and then hide it right before they said action. So it was very hectic, very chaotic.

[Danielle Robay]

Well, as an actor, you're really bringing iconic characters to life. And when you're writing this book, are you casting them in your mind? When you're on set and you're hiding your laptop and writing this, are you kind of writing for certain actors to play these roles, or are you playing the lead?

[Regan Revoord]

Oh, no, no. I didn't see. See any characters until, like, after. So I saw what the characters looked like, but not really actor wise. But now that I've thought about it and I've Pinterest boarded it, I could see, like, Katherine Newton, like a Young Katherine Newton, 19 years old, as Charlie, who's a love interest. And then I think, like, Emily Blunt to play her mom. And then I don't. I don't have a cast for the main character, but for her mom, the family stone. Rachel McAdams.

[Danielle Robay]

Is there anything that is very Regan that you snuck into the main character either purposely or without realizing it?

[Regan Revoord]

I mean, I feel like I put a lot of different pieces of myself in every character. And so there's a little bit of Regan in all the characters. You just gotta know where to look. But I feel like the one thing that is, like, so similar is obviously we both love rom coms. She loves watching rom coms with her mom, and then I love watching rom coms with my mom. And then she also has a black cat. I have a black cat. They both are named Cersei. Maybe not a coincidence. She's very much like an introvert, but is very extroverted around her friends. And that's very much me. Like, I'm an introvert until I'm around, like, my circle, and then I'm very extroverted.

[Danielle Robay]

Now the book leans on a lot of these classic tropes. First love, fake relationship, hijinks. How did you take these classic ideas and make them feel relatable to a new generation of romance readers?

[Regan Revoord]

It was kind of a lot of fun because throughout the book, there's a bunch of different tropes that you read about, and each chapter actually the chapter heading is a different rom com rule. And so I had to do a bunch of different research on rom coms in general. And I felt like what was a lot of fun is I kind of made fun of those tropes because, like, the whole thing with a rom com trope or rom com story where the main character is going into college or moving out is like, she's broke, but somehow she has this stunning apartment. And I'm like, that's not really realistic. And so the chapter heading is, the heroine is broke, but has a stunning apartment or something similar like that. And then in the chapter, it's Avery decorating her apartment and putting, like, a rug over a little mold spot or something. And then there's, like, a leaky faucet. And so it's kind of fun to take these stereotypical tropes that everyone reads about and then kind of poke fun at it and do it in a different way. And so I feel like that would be refreshing to read.

[Danielle Robay]

Do you think the idea of fake dating in real life can be romantic, or is it strictly for rom coms? I don't know.

[Regan Revoord]

I feel like it would be so tricky to, like, actually pull off in real life. And I also don't know because whenever there's a fake dating trope, obviously they always end up together. But I feel like there's a chance that if someone was to actually try to fake date in real life, it would actually succeed. Like, they wouldn't end up together, but I want it to exist. I love whenever I hear someone be like, this book happened. And I like, something happened to me that's similar. I love when that happens. So maybe, fingers crossed. I hope it exists. And I love reading about it, so maybe it happens.

[Danielle Robay]

Why did you set it in England?

[Regan Revoord]

I love England so much. It's my favorite place. And if it ever, fingers crossed, becomes a movie, I want obviously to film in England because that would be so much fun. And so I purely did that for myself. It also ended up making sense that the main character is Learning about who she is and then the going overseas to a new country really helped kind of with this new version of Avery where she's discovering things about herself and learning who she wants to be and what she wants to do in life. And. And so it ended up making sense and like really helping the story.

[Danielle Robay]

Was there a scene that you wrote that made you laugh out loud while you were writing? Like you just had to stop typing?

[Regan Revoord]

I think there's this scene where Avery and her roommate Maddie, they're hanging out and they're having a like little like stay in kind of night where they're like having like, they ordered in pizza and they like are playing games and stuff. And there's this one, it's such a small, like insignificant part, but it makes me laugh. And it. Because it reminds me for some reason of me and my mom. And it's. The roommate is trying to teach Avery how to play a video game and Avery's terrible at it and she keeps failing and like she keeps losing the match or whatever. And like Avery's kind of like crashing out over it and Maddy's like, no, you have to do this. This is how you do it. And it just reminds me so much of my mom and I and it's so funny to me and it's such a fun, just like scene in general. And I love it so much. And anytime I like go back and like read it or like go when I was editing and going over it, like, I would just always laugh at that part because it's just so fun to me.

[Danielle Robay]

And you and your mom are so close, so I know how much you love her. That's really sweet that it reminds you of that this book is. It really centers around Gen Z, what is distinct about Gen Z and their reading habits and tastes. And how did you want Gen Z to be represented in this book?

[Regan Revoord]

Teens in general almost get this bad rap where it's this like phone addicted, slang slinging kind of teenage. But I feel like Gen Z in general are just like so much more than that. Every Gen Z, just youth in general, teen, young person, like, they're so unique. And so I feel like having this umbrella term to cover such different people. It's used so much and so in the book. I really wanted to show that like there's these college kids that like, are all different kinds of people and have different interests. Some of them fit the stereotype of Gen Z, some of them don't. And they're all different. And I really wanted to show that they're not just like walking around on their phones and saying all the, like, Gen Z slaying and stuff.

[Danielle Robay]

So I saw something fun on hello Sunshine's new Gen Z platform, Sunny that you talked about your love of Greek mythology. Reagan. I love Greek mythology too. It was my favorite. Oh yes.

[Regan Revoord]

How did I not know this?

[Danielle Robay]

How did I not know this about you? It's the strangest thing that we have in common.

[Regan Revoord]

My cat's name is Circe.

[Danielle Robay]

Okay, so I need to understand how you got into Greek mythology. And I'm wondering if any of these stories, because there's such amazing fables, influenced your writing.

[Regan Revoord]

It honestly may have been Percy Jackson when I was little that started it off. And then I love the book Circe by Madeline Miller. Song of Achilles. I love. There's a book called Silence of the Girls that is so good. I could give so many Greek mythology book recommendations. It's a problem. There wasn't any specific fable that has influenced my writing. However, in Rules or Fake Girlfriends, there is a lot of references because Avery also loves Greek mythology. There is this one part whenever Avery is walking out of her apartment and the sun is like, barely peeking through the like, gray clouds and Avery thinks, oh, it's like Apollo is fighting with Zeus. And I've thought that before. And so there's definitely references throughout to Greek mythology. And I do have Greek mythology book ideas, but no specific fable influenced anything so far. So far though.

[Danielle Robay]

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[Scotty Landis]

Host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

[Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman]

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like. Like you go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving. Meditating, you know, takes effort.

[Scotty Landis]

Listen to the Psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Warren Campbell]

I don't write songs. God writes songs. I take dictation.

[Culture Raises Us Host]

I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years.

[Warren Campbell]

I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you.

[Culture Raises Us Host]

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor and music executive, to talk about the beats, the business and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R and B and hip hop.

[Warren Campbell]

This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thriller before it happened.

[Culture Raises Us Host]

Was there a particular moment where you realized just how insane instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem.

[Warren Campbell]

I was 8 years old and the Motown 25 Special came on and all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder.

[Culture Raises Us Host]

Temptations, Diana Ross, from Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson. We get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Danielle Robay]

You wrote a book about Gen Z characters and you are Gen Z. A lot of your fans are around your age. What are you hoping that people are taking away from this book about love or friendship or figuring yourself out?

[Regan Revoord]

There's a few things regarding the main plot in general, I think probably, I mean, Avery is a college student trying to figure herself out. She doesn't know what she really wants to do in life. She's not sure where she's going. And I think a lot of people can resonate with that and can understand that. And it doesn't really matter, like where you are in your life. You don't have to be Avery's age to understand not being 100% certainly what you want to do. And so I think the whole thing with the book is that in the beginning of it, Avery isn't sure where she wants to go. And then by the end, she's figured it out. She knows what she wants to do, she's confident in it, and she's just as confident in herself. And I think the main thing is, like, just give it time. Like, you can't rush trying to figure something out. You can't rush trying to figure out who you want to be who you are at the moment. And so I think just like giving it time and kind of going with the flow almost, because that's what Avery did. She went with the flow. She went to England spontaneously and she really just did not know what she was doing. And she ended up figuring it out. And I think just trusting that time will answer whatever you're not certain in.

[Danielle Robay]

That was a very wise, beautiful answer, Reagan. Because I think a lot of us, regardless of your age, feel this immediacy probably because of social media and the fast paced world we live in. And it's true. Some things just take time.

[Regan Revoord]

Some things just take time. I feel like in my present day there isn't a lot going on. I'm not like on set or anything. And like, I'm not like in the middle of writing a book or anything. I've just really been focusing on promoting this one. And so it does kind of feel like kind of stuck. But then just know this is my in between state and just not rushing it and kind of getting to savor it and just be in the moment. I'm very bad about being in the moment and so I'm always just like, let it, let it sit. And then in a little bit we'll get right back to it.

[Danielle Robay]

Absolutely. And sometimes that time to rest and recharge really fires you up for that next moment.

[Regan Revoord]

Exactly now because like, I've had time to kind of take it all in and relax and recharge like you said. And now I'm so excited to get on to the next book.

[Danielle Robay]

I really love reading books from authors who are of the genre. Meaning you are a YA author writing ya. You're gonna know things because you're living it. Right. So I'm curious if you feel like there are any common misconceptions about the YA genre, Honestly, that it's limited to.

[Regan Revoord]

Teenagers and teenagers only. Yeah, I know so many people who read ya and it's people my age, it's people in their 50s, it's people anywhere in between.

[Danielle Robay]

Yeah, I read ya.

[Regan Revoord]

Exactly. So many. Anyone can read ya because even if you are in your 40s reading about a college student, you at some point in your Life were an 18, 19 year old who has just graduated and figuring out what you want to do. And so even if you can't relate to it currently, you can understand what that character is feeling like, because you used to be that. And so for people who are older reading ya, it could almost be a level of like nostalgia looking back, reminiscing. And then with Gen Z teenagers who are reading ya, it's a relatability to a current period that you're in, but everyone can read it.

[Danielle Robay]

We had the sisters who founded the Ripped Bodice bookstore on the show and one of them said that reading rom coms and romance books actually helped her figure out what she wanted and deserved in relationships, which I thought was so interesting. Has reading YA helped you figure out something about yourself?

[Regan Revoord]

I mean, I think reading YA in general has because like I talk about like taking time and like finding your place in the world and everything, but I learned that from somewhere too. I didn't just like get that knowledge out of nowhere. And I feel like I really did learn that from YA books in general. Because how I said, like, people can take away being like taking time to figure out who you are and they could maybe learn that from my book. I had those books where I was like, oh, like this character didn't really know what they wanted to do, but now at the end of the book, they're kind of figuring it out. And so I think, honestly, the motto that I said people would take away from rules is what I've learned from ya. So it's almost. It's giving it back at. In a certain way where I've like, I've learned this. Now I'm imparting this to people.

[Danielle Robay]

Regan, I look at you with such admiration and awe sometimes, because when I was your age, I had these really big dreams and goals, and I think people looked at me and were like, simmer down, relax. You know, like, you have your whole life to accomplish stuff. And I felt misunderstood because goals and achieving and accomplishing things and striving, like, really gave me joy and made me happy. And at 17, you have accomplished so much. You really go after everything you want, including writing your first novel.

[Regan Revoord]

And.

[Danielle Robay]

And I think there are a lot of young people out there who. Who want to do what you're doing. Do you have any advice for young people who want to write a book? Where do they start?

[Regan Revoord]

I feel like one is writing or storytelling. Creating specific is write down everything you see. So whether it's a person or an interaction, like, my notes app is full of the most random things because I'll see or I'll meet someone, and I'm like, oh my God, you would be just such a good, just funny little character in this one specific moment that I can pull upon later. And so my notes app is just full of the most random things. I'll hear someone say something, and I'm like, oop, let me write that down real quick. Like, I have to, like, jot that down. And so just like writing down any instance or any circumstance that you think you could pull upon later. Like, write it down, remember it. And then I think this goes to, like, any circumstance, not just writing in general, but, like, trusting your gut, trusting that little voice in your brain that's telling you, like, hey, like, maybe you should do this. Maybe you should go with this idea. Like, most of the time that little voice tends to be right.

[Danielle Robay]

Both are such great tips. And I'd never really thought about writing down your observations. That's so smart. Like, even describing somebody's eyebrows or the way they smell. It's so literary.

[Regan Revoord]

No, my. My notes app, I had, like, I. One day I went through and I like, sorted it all and I organized it.

[Eliana Ramage]

Yeah.

[Regan Revoord]

And I have the most random things in there. I have character descriptions, I have book titles, I have book ideas. I have book titles. For a book that's in a book I would write, I have place ideas. It's everything. There is, like, sentences, there's dialogue. It's so much. But it is so helpful whenever you're in the middle of writing a book, and you need, like, a side character to put in in this random little scene, and you can just be like, oh, my God, I have this list of funny interactions that I've had, and I can put this person in this scenario.

[Danielle Robay]

Reagan, I'm going to ask you a question, and there's a lot of pressure attached. Okay?

[Regan Revoord]

Okay.

[Danielle Robay]

You're a book club founder and a YA author. You are deep in the world of books. So I need to know what your book recommendations are for fall.

[Regan Revoord]

There's. There's this book that I read called Queen of Faces. It's a fantasy so good, I devoured it. There's also. I'm gonna do a plug here for my friend because she has a book coming out also on September 2nd, and it's called Invitation Only by Alexandra Brown Chang. It is so good. It kind of delves into, like, the debutante world. It's a lot of fun. It's a great fall read. I love that one. What else? Oh, When We Were Monsters by Jennifer Niven. Love that book. Those are probably my picks, I would say. So.

[Danielle Robay]

I love asking our guests what they've bookmarked this week. It can be a fun quote or something you texted a friend or even something you sent to your mom on Instagram. A weird fact. What have you bookmarked this week, Regan?

[Regan Revoord]

I. What has happened?

[Danielle Robay]

Right.

[Regan Revoord]

Oh, I got one. So basically, my friend is writing a Young Sheldon book, and so it's kind of a, like, behind the scenes. And so she's been interviewing all the different cast. And I saw her last night, and she was like, Montana said the, like, sweetest thing about you. And I was like, what? What do you mean? And he's kind of like my older brother. And she showed it to me, and it was, like, the nicest thing. And I make fun of him all the time, but, like, he was, like, saying how, like, I'm like, his little sister. I was like, I'm gonna cry. And so I've just been thinking about that a lot. So that's probably what I've bookmarked because he is like, my older brother, and so that was probably what it would be.

[Danielle Robay]

That's really sweet. I'm wondering, because you told me you love quotes. If there's a quote, you bookmark too.

[Eliana Ramage]

Ooh.

[Regan Revoord]

There'S this quote. You know how I said that I always have quotes on, like, circulation kind of. And like, there's a few that I always go to. There's this quote by Tom Holland that, like, stuck out to me, and it was in an interview and someone asked him something about, like, the Internet perceiving him or something, or like the Internet not being happy with him or something, something. And he said, if you have a problem with me, text me. And if you don't have my number, you don't have a reason to have a problem with me. And that has really stuck with me because, like, ain't that the truth? But it's such a good quote and I say it all the time because if I ever have a friend that's like, dealing with something, I'm like, hey, like, there's this quote and it just, like, it works in so many scenarios and it's such a good quote, and I stick by that and I love it.

[Danielle Robay]

That's a great one, Regan. And I understand maybe why this would mean a lot to you, because with 8 million people following you on the Internet, all those opinions can be quite a lot sometimes.

[Regan Revoord]

Yes.

[Danielle Robay]

Next up is Speed Read. Here's how it works. We put 60 seconds on the clock and we're going to see just how many rapid fire questions you can get through. Are you locked in? Are you ready, Reagan?

[Regan Revoord]

Rapid fire is my favorite category of questions, so I'm so ready.

[Danielle Robay]

And I know you love a game, so I'm extra excited for this speed read. Let's do it. Okay. Fake dating or enemies to lovers.

[Regan Revoord]

Oh, but you've combined both of them. Okay, let's do enemies to lovers.

[Danielle Robay]

Coffee shop date or movie date.

[Regan Revoord]

Coffee shop date.

[Danielle Robay]

Which book have you dog eared the most?

[Regan Revoord]

Ooh, Harry Potter, Order of the Phoenix.

[Danielle Robay]

If you had to choose a lifetime supply of books or a lifetime supply of snacks.

[Regan Revoord]

Lifetime supply of books.

[Danielle Robay]

What's one rule of real life friendship that you live by?

[Regan Revoord]

Ooh, maybe always just like a check in. Like always do a check in. I love a good check in. Be like, hey, how's it going? Love that.

[Danielle Robay]

Finish this sentence. The best thing about being a writer is blank.

[Regan Revoord]

The best thing about being a writer is being able to show someone else how to step into someone else's shoes.

[Danielle Robay]

What's your red flag reading habit, Reagan?

[Regan Revoord]

That I dog your books.

[Danielle Robay]

Me too. Which book do you gift the most often?

[Regan Revoord]

Midnight Library by Matt Haig.

[Danielle Robay]

Raegan. Revoord. That is it for your time on Bookmark. Thank you for hanging out with us. Girl.

[Regan Revoord]

Thank you for having me. It was so much fun. I got to sit here and talk about books so I thrived.

[Danielle Robay]

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[Scotty Landis]

Host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you.

[Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman]

When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Complex problem solving takes effort.

[Scotty Landis]

Listen to the Psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Warren Campbell]

I was diagnosed with cancer on Friday and cancer free the next Friday. No chemo, no radiation, none of that.

[Culture Raises Us Host]

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor and music executive to talk about the beats, the business and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R and B and hip hop.

[Warren Campbell]

Professionally. I started at Death Row Records.

[Culture Raises Us Host]

From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture Raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Eliana Ramage]

This is an iHeart podcast.