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The Lisa Rinna-saince: The Traitors, Ghostwriters, and Her New Memoir
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Thank you. Hi. It's nice to finally be here.
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You wrote a book. Now I'm not a Virgo. So I think this interview is going to go well. I hope it does.
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B
And it seems to be only Virgo women. I'm good with Virgo men, so go
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figure for Anybody who hasn't read the book yet, there are just lots of mentions about how you and Virgo women just do not get along.
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No, exactly. Yeah. It's like oil and water and who knows why.
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So here's the thing, Lisa. I expected a lip care brand from you, and I was not surprised when you became an absolute fashion diva. But a book? When did you have time to write a book?
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Well, listen, I do many things. I wrote a couple books, but back in like 2008, 2009, you know, the early 2000s. And I wasn't planning on writing a book, to be honest with you, but the agents came to me and said, we think that you have another book in you. And I was like, I think I'm good. I don't think I need to write another book. And they kept asking. They were like, we think you have more to say. Just. Just think about it. And so I don't write my own book. I have to have a ghostwriter because I am not a writer. And that's just the truth. So I said, let me meet with three ghostwriters and if I connect to one, I'll do it. And so I met three different ghostwriters and I connected to one. And I thought this would be fun. I thought they had my voice, they had an idea of who I am, am, and my whole career. And I just took a risk and it turned out to be a very cathartic, very great experience. I had so much fun writing this book and I've never had fun writing a book before. So it was meant to happen and I was able to tell, like, my side of things and how I feel, and I'm really glad I did it.
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So out of all the titles that you've worn, which, you know, there are so many author, bravo, housewife, actresses, traitor, mom, wife of Harry Hamlin. Is there one that you most identify with?
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I mean, just me being my authentic self.
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But is there a difference between Lisa Rinna and Lisa fucking Rinna?
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Yes, there is. Absolutely. Lisa Rinna is. Lisa Rinna wears leggings and, you know, free city sweatpants, no makeup, looks like a 12 year old boy. Literally. That's the truth. And bucket hats and like baseball hats.
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I love that.
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Zero makeup. Lisa fucking Rinna is a force to be reckoned with. Has her hair and makeup done, comes out in her fashion. And I would never run around as Lisa fucking Rinna. I only run around as Lisa Rinna. But now it's almost meshed together and so I kind of can't escape either One, it's just now out in the world. Doesn't matter if I look like a 1212 year old boy, I still get people now coming up to me saying, Lisa fucking Rhena. So I think they intermeshed.
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I ask because I feel like in the book, you wrote a lot about how you really approached housewives and reality TV in general as a job. And so you leaned into playing this character, which I kind of think of as Lisa fucking Rinna.
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Yeah.
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And in the book, you share her, but you really bare your soul, too. And I'm curious how it felt to be like Lisa Rinna and. And be so honest with people.
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Vulnerable, super vulnerable. You know, scary. And I knew that I had to do that because when you're scared of something, it's like, I always know that that's the thing I should do.
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What was scary about it?
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It's sharing parts of myself that I usually keep very private. You know, I am a very private person. Even though it doesn't really seem like I am, it seems. Seems like I'm really out there, but I am actually very private. So opening up and sharing that part of me and talking about my feelings and what I've been through was very vulnerable. Very vulnerable.
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What would you say was the most vulnerable chapter or share?
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I think the very first chapter, when I share about my mom's passing and what that was like and my dad's passing, that for sure is the most vulnerable.
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You know, those were my favorite parts because I got to know your mom a little bit through Real Housewives when I watched. But when you write about her and your dad and their dynamic, I had a whole new understanding of who you were.
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Oh, I love that. You know, that's what's been so great and positive about this book is I think people see me in a different way because, you know, it's only one way when you see me on Housewives, and it's such a little tiny part. And so this book has really helped people to see the real me and all the different parts of me, which I'm really grateful for.
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Well, word on the street is you're in a renaissance now. And so besides being truly like a fashion icon, what is the new era all about for you?
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Well, it's just having such a good time, to be honest. It's so fun and it's so filled with joy that I think it's really all about that. It's all. All about, you know, our. Our lives are really pretty short, and you really have to find out, like, what Excites you? What moves you? What do you really want to do and spend your time doing? And I think that is what I'm doing. And so I'm having a ball. The fashion has just been my favorite thing that I've ever done. And so I feel so grateful, and I'm. I'm just so excited by it. And to be excited by anything at this age in my life, I think is amazing. Like, so cool. So I'm having a ball. I think the renaissance is really about joy and coming into myself and allowing whatever to be.
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Do you feel like your daughters can feel that energy from you because they're both in fashion as well? Like, how is it for them to watch you go through this renaissance and also for all three of you to kind of be in the same industry now?
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Well, first of all, I think they get a kick out of it. I think they get a kick out of me enjoying it so much. And that's so fun that they get to see me again being my authentic self, enjoying myself. And, you know, I'm not sure if we ask 100 people if they would say, wow, I really got to see my mom happy and doing what she really loves. I'm not sure many of them would be able to say yes to that, you know?
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Right.
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And I think that it's really great for my daughters not only to see that I'm doing this at the age and stage that I'm at, and that I don't apologize for anything. And I think that they go, wow, she is free. She does whatever she wants. You know, when you have kids, they're like little sponges. So Harry and I have always tried to be really open and honest and just like, this is who we are, and they know that they can come to us with anything. And, you know, whatever it is, I think it's been fun for everyone.
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So I sort of imagine you guys, like, all practicing your catwalk in the kitchen together. Does that happen?
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We have done that. It's the most fun when you see Amelia and Delilah kind of having a walk off in the kitchen. Like they'll do it with each other. And it's. I mean, come on, it's so fun. And it's been so fun to see Amelia because she's really been able to walk some major runways. Major, major runways. And she really has one of the great walks out there right now as a model.
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Did your girls read the book?
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No. Neither one of them. Now, this is funny. On Housewives, there was a scene in Tokyo that I never Will forget. We're sitting around a table, and I'm there with Erika Jayne. And the girls bring up the fact that at 11, they found my book in the living room at our place in Canada. And they. One of their friends found it, of course, because they could have cared less. You know, your kids. My kids don't care what I've been on, what we've done in a movie. Nothing. Like, they don't care. We're mom and dad. So their friend saw the book and was like, oh, yeah. And she starts reading it, and then the girls start to read the chapter, of course, on sex. And so I think they. They don't. They're too scared to read the book because Millie was like, I don't want to know anything about sex. I don't want to know that you and dad have sex. I'm not reading the book.
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I was like, all right, this one's safe. This one's safe. There's a lot about skincare I found. I have. There's a whole chapter about your closet. I learned about your parents. You're safe.
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That's what I said. But you. She said, nope, I'm not reading it. So at some point they will. But Harry has read it. He read it twice, and it was really cute to watch him sitting out in the backyard reading it. And he was really emotional because he said, it's a snapshot of the last, you know, 34 or five years of our life. And so I loved to hear that.
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You know, I am curious. One of my favorite moments from your writing was when you shared your decision, and it was really a joint decision between you and Harry to actually go on Housewives because he was vehemently against it. And then you said to him, and I'm paraphrasing, that basically, like, we could really make some money here. And a day later, he comes back and he's like, okay, Lisa, but here are the rules. And he gave you some ground rules. Is he happy with his sort of choice? Because it was pretty rough at the end.
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It was pretty rough at the end. And we all acknowledge that and know that, but we all agree that we wouldn't have changed it and that it was great for me in. And great for everybody in. In many, many ways. In many, many ways. So the. The end of it was. Was really hard and very, very, very turbulent. But up to that point, it was. It was quite great. So that's how he feels.
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Did you tell Harry you were going to write a memoir? You just did it.
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He knew I was Writing it, but nobody read it or nobody knew really anything about it until it was done and printed. They were just like, oh, she's out there doing a zoom, you know, doing her book. And I did that for, you know, it takes a long time to write a book. It takes really like two years from start to finish. So it's a long process and everyone forgets about it until it's done. And then you start to go out and do the press and whatnot. Then it becomes back, it comes back into life.
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You know, I mean, he's like all over, under and around it. So he was okay with being in the book. He just didn't want to show up on Housewives.
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He just didn't want to show up on Housewives. Absolutely. He's fine being in the book. But you know, for him as an actor, we had to protect his career. And that's what I said going in. I said, you know, he just cannot be a house husband on this show because I don't want it to affect his career. And what was really cool about Sherry Levine and Andy Cohen at that point, they agreed to it. And they don't do that normally. You know, those husbands are being counted on to be part of everything. And so I was lucky enough to make a deal with them. They would take him three times, three times a season. They could get him three times. That was the deal. We always gave them three times and it worked out.
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I will never forget it. So we're in Tahiti and it's beautiful and, you know, amazing. And he went to take a photo and again, we have no cell phones, no social media. It's one of those little, you know, Canon cameras. And I just stood there like, ramrod Street. And he goes, do something. Like, do something in the photo. And like, do something. And I was like, you know, I was very reserved, you know, in many, many ways and very insecure when I met Harry. I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. And so once he did that, I was like, oh, okay. And then I just started to like, open up after that. It's almost like he gave me permission to like, express myself.
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It feels like he's been doing that ever since. Because you're one of the only marriages that have made it through Housewives.
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Isn't that crazy? Maybe one of the only. For sure. Yeah, it's true.
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Do you feel like you're still finding out who you are or do you know who Lisa Rinna is now?
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You know, I'm in therapy. I'm always searching, I'm always digging deep because I know that I have A lot of, you know, I think we all have a lot of childhood trauma and drama and, you know, whatever else. And so I think it's super important for me to continue to evolve and find out who I am by being in therapy. It's super important to me. So I have a good sense of who I am. But no, I am still learning. I really am. I'm learning why I react certain ways, what turns me on, what moves me. And I love self reflection. I do. So I'm, I'm very happy to be in therapy, looking at my life and what makes me triggered and what makes me react the way I do. And I love all that.
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It's actually very cool. Lisa, I'm 35 and so when I went through the back catalog of your books, I was like, wow, it's amazing for me to read about a woman's life who's gone through all of these transitions and motherhood and career transitions. Like, I really do feel like we've. You've been, you've showed us, whether it was through your books or tv, what an evolution looks like over all these years. Do you feel that's so cool?
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That's cool that you, that you get that? I love that you get that. I love that.
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Well, you know, like sometimes you don't get to know your mom through those transitions.
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Right.
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And so to like read about other women's stories, I think is so helpful. Do you, do you ever surprise yourself?
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Oh, I surprise myself all the time. In good ways and bad ways. How about that? I probably surprise myself more in something that I do and I'm like, oh my God, you know, I can't believe I just said that. I can't believe that. I get surprised daily by everything, you know, And I think that's a great way to live, to be curious all the time. I'm still like a five year old. That is just like. And what about this? What about this?
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Do you think you take yourself more or less seriously than the public does?
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Oh, way less seriously. I do not take myself seriously. The public takes me so serious, it's crazy. Yeah, I wouldn't want to take myself as serious as the public takes me. Like, I am not afraid to look like a fool. I love to be self deprecating about myself and I like to make fun of myself because if I can't, who can?
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You made me think about something. You know, when you had to grieve your mom in public, did grieving in public make you reconsider fame at all?
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It was very difficult I have to say, it was extremely difficult to grieve in public. And you know what I've learned from it? I think somebody grieving is too painful, and it triggers everybody else's grief, and they don't want to see it. You know, the viewers, the Housewives, no one wants to deal with grief. And I was a walking grief monster, right? I was just like, grief. And I just think that that's why I got so pushed away. It's because nobody wants to feel grief, and I don't blame them. But I think truly that's what happened the last season. And of course, I was, like, acting out and raging and angry and whatever grief does to one. But I think it just was too painful for people to see it, and they rather escape and watch, you know, people being stupid and fighting. It was too painful for everybody involved.
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I think it's actually a really good take. I haven't thought about that.
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B
That's what I got. It's just too painful. It's like, I know she's grieving. I know she lost her mom, and I just don't want to feel that it's too fucking painful. And I. Now I understand it. I understand what the reaction was, because, you know, when you look back at all the episodes, I really am not that much different. My eighth season, I'm really not. But whatever the label of grief gave me, it was like, no bueno. We do not like you. We don't like how you're talking to the other women. You're an evil villain, and we just don't want you here. And that. That was the reaction. And I think maybe if I hadn't gone through that and wasn't grieving, it would have been very different.
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So after the final season on Housewives, you walk onto the BravoCon stage and you got booed by the audience, which you write about. But you do something interesting, which is instead of letting it hurt you, you kind of flip them off. You play into it like pro wrestling, like you were a WWE character, and the audience ate it up. Why do you think that we love Villains the most?
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Well, first of all, they have the most fun. It's true. And I think, you know, that's where it went off on Housewives, because the villains drive the show. That's really why you're tuning in. But it got. It got really messed up on Housewives, because instead of having it be like a sporting event, they really hated you in a way that they wanted to get rid of you and kill you and, like, all this weird Stuff instead of just really enjoying hating you as the villain, but in a healthy way, if you know what I mean. Like, ah, she just makes me so mad. But I just love it. It went the other way and I just. It was a shame because that's the most fun when you have a villain and every time they run the villains off the show, the fan base goes, oh, it's so boring. I just hate the show. Well, it's because you get rid of all the people that are doing the job of making the show great. Mm.
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That's actually so well said.
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Thanks. Thank you. That's what I noticed. Because, listen, without somebody that is stirring the pot or creating friction, you have nothing going on.
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And so, yeah, we need the hero's journey.
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Yeah. So, you know, you can go down, then you can go up, you know, all of it. That's. That's what everybody should just embrace. You know, it's a TV show that you're there to root for people. It's like having teams. You know, I like this team, you like that team. But when it gets dark and weird and I hate this person and I wish they would die, like, that's another level that is really unfortunate, fortunate, and I think it's really hurt the franchise because it's just not that deep. It's a freaking TV show.
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Yeah. Well said.
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Thanks.
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On the other hand, we have a book, which is very serious business. Give me a little QVC moment for you better believe I'm going to talk about it. If you like X, you will like this memoir. It can be a TV moment, a meme, anything.
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Well, I mean, if you like my Instagram, if you follow me on Instagram, if you like all the memes that you've seen about me over the years, if you liked the Eminem, if you like the It's Couture, honey, look at the tag. If you like were people doing coke in your bathroom? If you like, you better believe I'm going to talk about it, or why am I here? I'm more fabulous than this. Then you will love this book because I just go into everything and I just paint a picture over the last, I don't know, 35 years of my life. And I think that you will be moved. You will laugh. The audiobook I do myself. And I will say it's pretty darn good, because I've never done an audiobook before. And if you want to listen to me telling these stories, I think it's a home run. And I think that you're going to laugh you're going to cry.
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And.
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And by the way, you're just going to have a good time, so it'll make you feel good. And whether you listen to it or read it, it will be an added bonus to your book collection.
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And what's the best way for people to read the memoir? Do they need to be, like, kicked back on the couch with a drink in hand? A Xanax? What are we talking?
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Well, it's cute because people send me photos of themselves with the book, and I think the ones I like the best are. They're out on. On a pool, by a pool, at the beach, with a cocktail. That's how you read the book. That is so cute. Isn't it cute? Oh, my gosh. People send me just pictures of the audiobook. Like, they just want to share, like, what chapter they loved or where they're reading it. It's so cute. I love it. But I think the ones that are, like, out by a pool, you know, because the weather's been so horrible, it makes me go, oh, they're having a good time. Oh, that's great. They're on vacation.
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Love that. Okay, what's something that you're so obsessed with that you could write a whole book about it, but you probably won't?
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Well, fashion. All the designers. The history of fashion. Yeah, the history of fashion. I mean, I could just go on and on and on and on and on. I'm so moved by it. I love it so much.
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A
I feel like we do have to talk about the fashion on your book cover because your fashion archive is very elite. I saw that on the show. You were letting your daughters try on old dresses, like your old Versace.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Tell me about the look from your book cover. What was the inspo and what was the mood board like?
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B
That was a lot of pressure, like, how am I going to come up with this after the whole run of fashion? Right? Like, we'd had a really good run of all the fashion, and I work with Daniel Brown, who's my stylist, and we're just really good together creating visuals. And I don't think about it too much. I don't think he thinks about it too much. He just brings a bunch of stuff. I go, I love that. I love that. Let's do that. We just put things together and take pictures and then go, oh, I like that. So it's not really that hard. I love Marc Jacobs. That was the Marc Jacobs dress. He said, what about red gloves and red tights and those shoes? I go, great. It doesn't get thought out as much as you think it might. When it feels right, it feels right. I'm not super particular and I'm not super in my head about it. I try to just go with my gut and if I think something looks good and I feel good in it, let's go.
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B
I love that so much, by the way. I love. I. It's so fun when people send me that. I love to see it. I love to see it.
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A
Well, I feel like it happens. Cause you're so. You're so larger than life when you put on the character. It's. If you were a drag queen, who would you impersonate?
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B
Oh, gosh. Well, Erika Jayne is. Would be great and easy because she's over the top and big and, you know, I had so much fun when I dressed up as her for Halloween. So that was good for sure. I mean, Liza Minnelli, Garbra Streisand, Elizabeth Taylor, you know, the big iconic, strong, visually out there women.
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A
Now, part of your press tour that I liked. I. I saw Watch what Happens Live and it seemed like you and Andy Cohen kind of made up a little bit.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Which I thought it was cool that you kind of made up over this book.
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B
Me too. I didn't expect it because I throw his book in the fireplace and burn it and I thought it would be a problem. I thought it'd be an issue. Right when I first got to see him, really was. He did the hosting for the Traders reunion. So we had a moment there when he said to me, I have read your book and I want you to know that I am really sorry that I put your text messages in my book because I had an issue, he said, with Jeff Lewis and Jeff Lewis was, you know, talking about my text messages on his podcast. And it really pissed me off. And he said, I just want you to know I'm really sorry that I did that. And that right there was such a big deal to me that I thought, wow, that's really cool that he was able to connect that because it really didn't feel good for him. And then he was able to apologize to me. So that's what started it, I feel like. And then I decided, decided to go and watch what happens live. Cause I really wasn't gonna do that. I just didn't want to kind of go back into that arena. And then after that happened on the Traders, I thought maybe I need to do that. Maybe I need to full circle, just go there and see what happens. And I didn't know what would happen really, but I felt better about it because he had apologized for that. And then when he said what he said on the show, I was so moved by it because, you know, he really meant it and he was really pointing out something really positive that was really meaningful to him. And that translated to me that I mattered and that I really meant something to him in that eight year period. And so it was very, very healing, I think, for both of us. I do.
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A
I really like how you put that. Cause when I watched that, I felt like he did mean it too.
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B
He meant it and it was more than just, you know, thank you for showing up to the two most important events in my life. I really got what he meant by it and it really meant the world to me. And he did it in a public forum and, you know, it was a really cool moment and I will never forget it.
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A
Did writing the book repair or rupture any other relationships in your life?
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B
Oh, I'm sure. Ruptured. A few, but they were already ruptured, so it doesn't matter. I mean, the ones that are ruptured or ruptured and, you know, sometimes you just can't fix everything. You cannot fix relationships that the other side doesn't want to fix. You can apologize, you can always clean up your side of the street, which I always do, by the way. If they don't want to, that is not on you. You just got to keep moving forwards. So that's what I do. So there was more repairing than rupturing, because the ones I talked about that weren't great, they were already ruptured, so it didn't matter.
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A
I thought I was going to ask you one unhinged question, but I think I'm going to be asking you two what's the worst thing that you think someone is going to do to your book and who's going to do it because you burned Andy's book in your fireplace? I feel like, karmically, something's going to happen to your book, Lisa.
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B
I know. I'm sure it already has. Maybe run over by, like, a semi truck. Run over my semi truck. You could throw it in the ocean. You could throw it in the lake. You could hit it with a baseball bat. Like, put it in there. Like, hit it with a baseball bat. You could pound on it with a baseball bat.
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A
Hilarious.
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B
You know, there's many things you could do.
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A
So you mentioned Traders briefly. And by the way, I have the audiobook, so I'm not doing anything to your book, I promise, besides savoring it.
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B
Thank you.
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A
But we talked about Traitors briefly, and it was your big return to reality tv. I feel like you really subverted what the idea of a villain is, and you were like, the people's traitor. Everyone was so obsessed with you in the show. What tips or tools or tricks did you use from your time at Real Housewives?
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B
I didn't use Emmy. None. I. I didn't use any. My goal was to go on Traders and just be my authentic self. Not do anything other than what I would do, whether I'm a faithful or a trader. And then once I became a trader, you know, you have to lie. You can't ever say what you are. You're backstabbing, lying, murdering. Which, by the way, was heaven. I loved it so much. I did. I just. I think because I was having such a good time. That's why the audience reacted the way they did. I had the time of my life, and I just was being me in the moment, playing a traitor, and it seemed to just connect to people. I don't know.
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A
But what was so fun about it? Like, why were you having such a good time?
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B
You know? Cause it's a game. I think the fact that it's a game was very helpful to my psyche, because, number one, you cannot take a game seriously. It is not real life. It is nothing other than we are playing a game. And for me, that is why it came off the way it did. I truly believe that because I didn't take it seriously like it was life or death. It's a game playing game. It's fun. Games are fun.
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A
But you did sort of take the, like, this speech that you gave when you were voted out. You did take it seriously because you got emotional, and you said, it was just so nice to be me.
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B
Yes. And so I really got emotional because also, it is just. It's something that really cracked me open after having the experience that I had the last part of Housewives. This was so amazing and joyous, and I could be myself, and I knew that something had happened. I knew after I was done that the world would get to see me in a much more authentic light. And I was just super emotional about that because I didn't know if that would ever happen for me. You know, I never thought I would necessarily get a second chance to express and show who I am. So it was almost like this relief of, like, I don't have to, like, hold onto that anymore. It's. I'm free.
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A
Wow. I'm so happy you had that experience. That's really nice.
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B
It was really unexpected and yet so fulfilling. It really was because I was able to have all my emotions about everything. And then I was like, listen, Rob played a brilliant game. I can't be mad at him. You know, he. He did what you're supposed to do as a traitor.
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A
You know, what I'm hearing and tell me if I'm right or wrong is that, like, you're so aware that reality TV is. Is a job, and so you are okay with people misunderstanding you. But to feel like you were understood sounds like such a gift. Like you were kind of secretly longing for it tot.
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B
Not even secretly. I was longing for it because it can be very frustrating when you feel misrepresented, when you feel like people think you're one way. It was really frustrating, especially hard for me because I'm so much more, and I'm so not. Like, what my last year on Housewives was. I mean, I was grieving for the loss of my mother, and so to be labeled that for the rest of my life, I was really frustrated by so. So this was such a relief that people got to see me and embrace me for who I am.
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A
Would you ever return to reality TV in a way that people got to see more of who you really are?
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B
Sure. I mean, I never say never, except I won't go back to Housewives. That's a never. But I'm always open to those kinds of experiences because you never know what it could be. So, yes, I am open to that.
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A
There's something I'm personally curious about that I want to ask you. It's sort of a logistics question, which is I've always been curious about reality tv. Like, the wait time between filming and airing. And the same is actually true for publishing. Like you wrote the book and then Traders aired and then the book hit the shelves. Is there anything that you feel differently about now? Like something you would have written about?
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B
I've evolved since I wrote the book. I'm not in the same place that I was when I wrote the book. So there's been a lot of evolution and I feel differently about many things and I would react differently in many ways. And that's just the evolution of life. So, yes, to all of that.
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A
Well, what would you have written about if Traitors had filmed before you stopped writing?
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B
Well, I'm not sure I would have written out, written anything differently. I feel differently about certain things. Like I've evolved to a place that maybe I was really worked up about or really like deep into and now doesn't even register. Do you know what I mean? Like, I've. I've outgrown a lot of the situations that I had major, major feelings about, and now I don't feel the same way about it. So I'm not sure I would write anything differently. I'm just a different person now than when I wrote the book, which I think is great. Like, thank God.
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A
Right. I mean, it's part of the fact that you love growth.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I actually sort of have this armchair theory that when public figures don't evolve, that's when we get tired of them. Like, we allowed Howard Stern to stay in the zeitgeist, I think, because he evolved.
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B
I think you're right about that. I do think you're right about that. Absolutely. I'd never thought about that, but now that you say it, I think you're absolutely right.
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A
So it was so fun for me to read about some of these old stories that you wrote about, like Hollywood in the 70s and 80s and 90s. Like, it was just the people that you have met. Oh my God. The people that you have been at dinner with. Is there a story from. Like, is there a story that didn't make the book, but it was just amazing and you had to leave it on the cutting room floor.
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B
I don't know. I really tell a lot of the great stories. I mean, I'm sure there's. There's so many. Like in the 90s, there's so much. And so many parties we used to go to at the Davis's house and, you know, so much money spent and Sylvester Stallone is there and like all just major, major people. Whitney Houston is up singing. I saw Mariah Carey sing, probably her very first time on stage. Like, I can tell you stories of those kinds of things. Going to these events and seeing these singers that are such icons now that were just, you know, David Foster is there with them, giving them their first start, their first moment. I have tons of those stories, and it was just a really incredible time. The 90s were amazing. I mean, just amazing.
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A
So I have a friend whose husband was a party promoter, which maybe is a red flag, but he's a good guy now, and he was telling me me that he felt like social media changed his business because people used to go to the clubs to see what people were wearing and to see what the trends were. And with social media, you could. You could see everything on your phone. You didn't need to get up off the couch to see what people were wearing. As somebody who's lived through what I think is like the golden era of Hollywood, what do you think social media has changed? And now you're kind of living it with your daughters. I think you have such an interesting vantage point.
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B
Yeah, I mean, it has changed, and it's exactly that. Like, people aren't going out as much. People aren't drinking as much. Like, there's so many things that have changed because it's right at our fingertips. But I think what's missing is going out and living life. I think people are staying home, they're not dating as much, they're not meeting as many people. And I think that's. That's a shame, and that's a problem. I think that they're just not living as much. And there's much more fear created, I think, from seeing it and not getting out and living it.
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A
Have you ever been starstruck, Lisa?
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B
Oh, my God. I'm starstruck all the time. Are you kidding me? I'm like a stupid little fan from Medford, Oregon. And, oh, I. I can act such a fool. Um, but I was more starstruck than I've ever been when I met Tom Ford. I went to the Vanity Fair party. Like, I talk about it in the book, like, 27 years ago. And I'll never forget, you know, all these stars. There's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, and, like, you name it, they're there. And all of a sudden, I see Tom Ford walk in, and I grab Harry and I go, oh, my God, Tom Ford's here. And of course, I marched over and met him. And, like, I. There's certain people that just really get me. And he was one of them. And Cher did that to me, too.
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A
That is so cool. Okay, I want to close out our conversation with a little game. I heard that you're craving a big acting role, so we're going to devise this gig for you.
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B
Okay, great.
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A
Are you a killer? A hot assassin we're going to see. So let's first set the scene. Where are we?
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B
Budapest.
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A
Oh. What era, what decade are we in?
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B
40s.
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A
And your character, what's their cover job?
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B
She works in a bakery, but she's a spy.
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A
What's her signature outfit? What's her look?
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B
She's very androgynous and she wears like a. Is it a page boy cap? Yes, yes. And like a vest and trousers.
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A
I love it. And how does she kill? What's her mode?
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B
Poison.
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A
Ooh, Lisa.
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B
Yeah. Undetectable poison.
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A
Now who does she kill?
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B
Ex husbands who have. Have abused and cheated and. And like, harass their wives. She's a vigilante. That's. That's killing the men that have abused women.
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A
Does she ever get caught?
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B
No. Almost. Almost. But then she falls in love with the FBI agent that almost catches her and she.
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A
Because I was going to say, what's the twist? But that's the twist. Lisa.
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B
There you go.
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A
Amazing. You're so much fun. Thank you for this.
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B
You're so much fun. What a great interview. Thank you so much. You were just delicious.
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A
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