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Hi, I'm Emily.
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I'm Ashley.
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A
And this is Books with youh Besties. Hi, besties. Welcome back to Books with your Besties. Today we are talking about one of our all time top books. We just love this book. It's Turn of the Key by Ruth Ware. So if you have not read this yet, we totally recommend that you read it. So you should pause this, go read it and then come back and listen to us talk about us. And this is the way that you can enrage yourself for the next couple of weeks when you disagree with everything that we say.
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B
I feel like most of our books with your besties is where we decide we're going to talk about one of our favorite books. I can't remember anything that happened. You remember every detail. So then we just get. We just get to talk about the book and you remind me of what did or did not happen.
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A
Story of our lives, Ashley.
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The story of our lives. I was trying to look back. Maybe I'll look now to see when we did this because we did it as book of the month and we had like a crazy good book chat.
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A
About it years, years ago. Years. I know we are talking like we're all talking about it 20, 21. But here's the thing is this is what, why we're covering this book now is because Ashley and I were like, hey, let we got to talk about some new books, but let's talk about some old books that people will have read or remembered or liked or disliked or whatever. And so we're just trying to make sure we have a good mixture there. And it's not all just brand new books that you're having to go scramble and find to talk about it. And this one just kept coming up on our list as one we both really enjoyed.
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B
And I think you and I soup because we have worked and enjoyed this space for so long that of course everyone has read this book and a lot of people haven't. I feel the same with Behind Closed Doors. Verity. Some people have never heard of these books and not read them. So I'm jealous of anybody who is now reading Turn of the Key for the first time. You're frozen.
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A
Nope.
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B
This was just.
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That was all I had to say this week.
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B
You know how my Internet is.
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Okay, we should actually keep that in there, Ashley. Let's keep it in there. This is catching us in real time. Ashley thought I was frozen. I was just done. That was it.
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B
So you're like, yeah, I understand what you're talking about.
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A
Let's talk about what we thought about the book. Can we just talk about Ruth Ware and her settings?
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B
Yes. And how she go for it.
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She's just really good at them. She's really good at like. I would classify this book as atmospheric because the setting matters so much to what is happening in the book. And she really does a great job of drawing a picture for you of this house that she's going to go be the living nanny at. And it's like the most beautiful setting. I think it sounds creepy but gorgeous. And it's got a mixture of like old Cotswold esque charm with this new wave functionality right in the home.
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B
Yeah, it's. I love books like this that are. Do they call them locked? Locked room. Where it's like everything kind of happens in one space and you just feel like you become part of the setting.
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A
Yes. But I don't know if that's what locked room means.
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B
Probably not.
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A
I think locked room means something happens and then it has to be someone in. In that. Because it's a locked door mystery. Like the Sherry Lapina. What's that one in the snow? An unwanted guest. I love that one. Or there should have been eight. The Nalini Singh, where you're like, people are dying. And there's only the possibility of these seven suspects. Essentially.
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B
We just lost about 50 listeners. They were like, Ashley's part of this book club she runs and she doesn't even understand what she's talking about.
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A
I bet you $1 billion that they're all like, it's also a locked door when it's in one setting. Emily.
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B
But here's the thing. I don't want that much technology in my house. Do you.
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We have a lot of it. Not a lot, but we have some. But I don't have.
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Do you have. I'm going to give people your address and tell them to come look and see. Do you. We don't have cameras like inside of our house or we don't have like. Do you have stuff that's operated. What do you have in your house that's operated like from your phone or from your voice?
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Okay, so we have the. We have a door lock, keypad, door lock. And the code is 1, 2, 7, 1. No, I'm just kidding. But we have a. We have a door code on the back and you can change or put in temporary codes. So when we have someone coming to like pet sit, we can put in a temporary code that expires in 48 hours for them and they use only that code. And then it's gone. So that's technologically advanced. Yes, but it's the best thing ever because my children don't have to carry a key.
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B
We have the same thing, and it's the best thing ever until I temporarily forget what our code is and can't get into my own house.
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A
We also have just a lot of Alexas. So basically, we're. We're giving all of our data to Jeff Bezos and Amazon, and they're collecting all of that. But it is so convenient for us to ask her in the morning what the temperature is going to be while we're getting ready. Isn't that dumb? That's, like, the one thing we use it for. And music. But we decided to have this, like, smart robot in our home that listens to everything and tells and knows everything we're doing.
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B
We have one. I mean, I'm looking at one right now. Hunter and Durham each have one in their bedroom. Like the little echo dots so it hears everything that they say all the time. Durham uses it for white noise at night. So we have those. We have the door lock on our code. And then my car has an app where I can, like, start it and turn the heat on and stuff just from my phone. But that's. Oh, and we have a ring camera. We have a ring camera.
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A
We have ring cameras. And here's the other thing, though. Here's the thing about technology. All these things, people. Oh, you should not have an Alexa in your home, because they are listening. You know who else is listening? This cell phone of mine, every second hears everything that I say. So it's like I'm carrying this around anyway. Whatever.
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B
Well, and I only brought that up because it's in the book. It's a smart home, and, like, all this creepy stuff starts happening with lights and sound and whatever, and it really is like a scary gothic setting. Like, it was a book that actually I felt scared reading.
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A
Me, too. I loved that. It was, like, kind of creepy, and I did not know what would happen. I think this was maybe my favorite Ruth Ware book is.
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B
I always get this wrong. Is in a Dark, Dark Wood. Ruth Ware.
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Yes.
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Ooh, that's my favorite one.
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I like that one, too. And then the woman in cabin 10.
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Yes.
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And now she has the woman in sweet 11, which, like, after that one, which I have not read, she had the it Girl. The death of Mrs. Westaway, the lying Game.
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B
Is that it?
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A
No, there's more. There's Perfect Couple. Do you like how, off the top of my head, I can name almost all Of Ruth Ware's.
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B
I can only name two and one. I wasn't even sure. I'm like, is this one Ruth Ware?
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I'm prepared for Jeopardy. On Ruth Ware, but that's it.
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Also, we can just say I'm bummed she couldn't come to retreat, and it was just out of a scheduling thing, so we're going to keep trying. Yes, yes, yes.
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A
I'm a Ruth Ware, Stan. I like her.
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B
Same, Same. Okay, wait. So in the book, remember, I always have to ask you and you remind me. She applied for the nanny job, went as Rowan, but her name was really Rachel, and she did not know that the guy was actually her. She's like a half sister of somebody, right? And he also was, like, a creep that, like, made sexual advances towards the other nannies.
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He was.
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He's her dad, Right? Her dad. Yes.
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And she did know.
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She did know. Okay, see, this is why I need you. I couldn't remember if she knew or she didn't know. I just know she applied as a nanny, but it was under false pretenses.
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A
But for what she thought, why would she try to go there?
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Maybe because it was just a cool family and a cool house.
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Like, and coincidentally, the dudes are dad. Her bio dad. This is.
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This is why our listeners need to listen to every episode. Because in real time, they're like, ashley can't remember any books at all. Emily remembers every single detail. And this is why we make.
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A
What I like the most about our listeners is that they are mostly listening because they love you. They love your online presence. They just. I think they feel connected to you. And then they're just like, her best friend is like the wicked witch to her, always roasting Ashley. But what they don't know is that's your love language. You love that. That's why you love me. And I love you because you roast me back.
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B
I. I'm. This is a tangent, but I told you I had to have that talk with my son last week about the difference between actual, like, bullying and people being mean to you. And just, like, if you really love someone, you're actually so mean to them, but in, like, the most loving way that they actually understand. It's a show of love, not.
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Yes, like one. We don't talk about it on here because it's just a private thing. But you and Kristen absolutely destroy me at every chance possible.
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B
That's a borderline bullying.
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Oh, I laugh so hard every time. My husband got in on it. Last time, you guys were bullying me, and I told My husband about it and that he started bullying me for the same things.
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B
Remember when we bullied our friend Kristen Halverson? And then we'll get back to the book because she, like, three years after it came out, she was like, you guys, have you listened to this podcast called Cereal? And Kristen Jackson, our friend, immediately was like, have you heard of when they slice bread and it's called, like, I don't even remember.
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But we. Oh, God, we made fun of her for days on that one.
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I think I'm gonna text her today and be like, have you heard of this podcast called called Cereal? She remember.
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Bet she does. We were relentless.
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B
Oh, my gosh. Okay, back to the book. Is it.
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I.
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Is it called a. It's not a trope. Is it? Tell me if I'm wrong. I'm just gonna out myself to all listeners that I know nothing about books. I just like reading them. But, like, in this book, there are creepy kids, and that's like a. A thing in psychological thrillers. Like.
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Yeah, I. Yeah, that's what I love about this book, man. It really. It was, like, twisty. It had the twist of it being her dad who had made. Yeah. Sexual advances on her, and then the child being actually the perpetrator of the violence. That was real scary.
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B
Poisonous plant on the property, which I. I figured that was what was going to take everybody out.
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The poison garden. Oh, I loved that. So creepy because, you know, it's so pretty, but, like, the most sinister place. And just the history of the house.
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What. What they said it was in the garden or was it just. Did they just say it was some sort of poison or something?
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There was all kinds of poisonous, poisonous plants in the garden. Like, it was a whole garden full of poisonous poison.
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And it just kept. She kept in the book, like, almost having something happen in that or like, looking for the kids in it. It just kept me on my toes the whole time.
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Yeah. Yeah, I loved that. I loved everything about that. And I loved. Yeah, it was in the Scottish Highlands. I just. I love that setting. I love anything set in that in Scotland or Ireland or the UK it at large in general. The UK and Ireland, like, love it here. I'm naming, like, cities and countries and counties, and I love them all, but.
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It does give, like, a gothic cold, foggy. Like you. You picture these big. I do at least like, these big houses on this beautiful property. And then it just feels even scarier.
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Yeah.
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Also, I take issue most of the time with letters in books. Like, I don't love them. I don't love books where letters are a part of it.
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Maybe I.
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Maybe that's a lie. But in this book, I liked it that she was writing to her attorney and it was kind of left open ended in the end as to what happened and if she was like writing a confession from jail.
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Yes, but you also loved Verity, which was full of letters. I know.
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So I think that that was a false statement. I think I read one book one time that was letters back and forth, and I hated it. So I just generalized as I do that I hate all books with letters.
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No, I feel the same. I feel the same because I don't like books with letters. But I did love this book and all the other books I've read with letters in it. I feel similarly, though, as a standard. I don't like books with letters in them.
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Maybe it's just when they look like they're written in, like, italic handwriting or something, and it just makes me upset.
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It's the boring parts of the letters. Like, please don't include the part where they do niceties. Just, like, pretend like they just write directly from the middle of their thoughts.
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Exactly. I don't want the deer. Whoever, Whatever. Do you want to talk about a true crime case I found that has to do with someone using something in a garden to kill people?
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Yeah, I do.
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Okay, you. We haven't talked about this beforehand, so do you just want me to walk you through it and then it's gonna scare you for the rest of your life?
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Yeah, I love it.
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Okay. Emily and I were talking earlier about recording this, and we were like, oh, my gosh. I bet there are actually some cases where someone has used some sort of, like a plant, an herb or whatever to kill someone else. This is recent. This was in 2023. So the woman's name is Erin Patterson. She's from Australia, and she poisoned, I think, four people. And waiting it for it to come up with mushroom caps.
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Wait, I know this story.
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It's totally recent. Like, it's very recent.
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Okay, but here's the thing. This is what's crazy. I listened to a whole podcast episode. There's a crime junkie episode on her.
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B
Oh, I haven't listened.
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A
Yeah, it's good. And there's also a documentary on her elsewhere. And I listened to a different podcast on this because it's still ongoing. But did the trial happen?
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So just in July, they convicted her on all remaining charges. So she was arrested in November. Four counts of attempted murder. And then, let's see. But here's the Crazy thing. Before this happened, I was reading about just her history and her life before this happened. Her husband had gone to the hospital three times between 2020 and 2022 with, like, weird stomach aches and had, like, traces of some sort of other poison that she had been giving him.
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Yeah. So this is what she did. She went out and she picked or got the.
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B
What are they called?
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Death cap mushrooms or whatever, and she dehydrated them in a dehydrator that she had just bought and then served, um, cooked them into a meat dish with mushrooms. What's the dish called?
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Is it the. Is it beef?
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A
Beef Wellington.
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Wellington's coming to mind.
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Yes, Beef Wellington. She cooked beef Wellington's. And she invited her family. This is her. She invited her ex husband, his parents, and maybe somebody else over.
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Yes.
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And told them that she had cancer and they were all coming over to support her. And the ex husband ended up not coming, I think, or something. Listen, you're going to have to tell the details of this, but this is the story, right? We're talking about the same story.
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Talking about the same story. But the craziest part to me was that she did this with the mushroom death caps and killed some people. Someone survived, but before this. So between 2021 and 2022, her husband was hospitalized three times with GI symptoms, once in a coma. And the medical expert report said that at that time, those were consistent with rat poison. So it's like she had been trying to kill him multiple times for a long time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I guess.
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I claim she didn't have cancer. She used a ruse to get them.
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All to come to her house where she fed them the mushroom caps.
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Yes. And then she went to the hospital claiming she was also sick, but left before, like, against medical advice. She left and bailed out before they could do, like, run tests on her and stuff. And so the ER doctor called the police, like, something is up here, and I'm worried about this woman and we need a welfare check on her. Because he. Apparently the ER doctor right away was like, oh, no, that there's something off here. But called under the. The. Because you don't know.
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He.
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He also had to do his do no harm. Right. He's calling to be like, a woman may have been poisoned by these mushrooms and needs medical assistance. I like that.
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I came to this call being like, I'm gonna blow her mind about this mushroom case. And you're like, you haven't listened, Watched the documentary or listened to the podcast?
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Oh, my God, I don't know. Why this is such an interesting case, but part of it is because initially it was sort of unknown if this was an accident or purposeful. She said she got the mushrooms from an Asian market, I think, and then they could never actually track down that this Asian market even existed. So they're like, no. And they went to the Asian markets in the area in case she had the wrong location or something. And there was no. None of them sell the mushrooms that she was claiming that she used. So initially they were like, was this just an accident? And they had trouble like, like tying exact motive and figuring out why this would happen or how this would happen. And she was just really good at making up excuses for how these things happened. Like, she said she had eaten a whole cake or like half a birthday cake that was brought because she has an eating issue with that kind of binge eating issue. And she'd eaten the whole cake right before dinner. So she had eaten part of her dinner but immediately went and threw up because she was sick from eating so much. And that's why she didn't get so sick and die from the death cap mushroom. And like there was some evidence of that. Something like that. I'm probably misquoting because I did not prepare for this. But see, now I'm blowing your mind now.
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We shouldn't have talked about this. We should have actually done this as a true crime episode and we've ruined it for everybody.
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I know. Really fascinating case. I feel like people should go listen because there's a lot more evidence I'm missing and the story unfolds in a really interesting way. So go listen to crime junkie and we'll never cover this because we've ruined.
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B
But then, so here's the thing. I googled just like have show me some true crimes that have happened. There are so many in Missouri in 2024. And this actually has to do with a book we just read. And I'm not going to say the title because it would be a spoiler, but this actual flower was used. A woman tried to poison her husband with lily of the valley.
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A
Wow.
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She had been giving it to him for like six weeks. He said he experienced fatigue, confusion, blurred vision, dry mouth, and nausea. Good thing he's not a woman. We would just be like, that's our everyday.
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A
I know. That's perimenopause.
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She's not a very good criminal, though. He told police he saw a bag labeled Lily of the Valley on a table in their home. And then he saw a green bowl. And she would make him smoothies and put it in there.
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A
Was there a Dateline recently about this? Because I feel like I saw a preview for a Dateline, and I've been wanting to see it, and it. Maybe it was a 2020 or something else, but maybe it was this because.
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It was on cb. This is from CBS News. She's from Missouri. And this was just a year ago. This was 2024. So it's recent. So I bet it was on D. Winter 2020.
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Yes. Because I saw the preview clip I saw was, like, them in their kitchen.
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Yes.
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Milling around. And it was. It didn't say who was poisoning who, but it was like somebody was actually making smoothies. Poisoning someone. You like how I know everything about everything you say, and that this is.
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B
Also full circle because we were talking about having too much technology in your house. And she got caught because they're like, we're filming you putting it in your husband's drink in your kitchen.
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A
That reminds me, I should remove my cameras from all over the surveillance I'm doing on everything. Dude, I do not want cameras in my home. Sometimes I think about that. Listen, I know somebody who their partner at put. And I bet this happens more than we think, their partner put cameras secretly in their private areas, like the bathroom and the dressing area and like, the bedroom without their knowledge to watch them while they were gone. And I think that is so frightening because I think about that, and I'm like, the things that my husband would see, like, you know, when you're not trying to, like, be polite, like, just, like, the way that you bend over and stuff. I mean, it's just the things you're just like, that's private. Could you imagine? No.
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My husband would either be horrifically bored or absolutely disgusted.
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A
Both. Both. Well, you caught me going in with more laundry.
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He'd be like, oh, this is what you call work. I'm like, look, Love is Blind came out. I had seven episodes to watch today. Get off the y'.
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A
All. I've never seen someone be so still. I thought you were dead.
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B
This makes me think of one of the authors who came to Retreat last year, and she's coming this year. And one of my favorite parts of Retreat. So do you remember this? M. Kara Ruda talked about how she is writing a book with her killer author club besties. So Heather and Kimberly Bell. And she was like, they make me try to kill people in ways I don't like to. She goes, I only like to kill through poison. She's like, stab people or choke people, and they were making her be, like, as, you know, violent as they are, and she didn't like it.
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I gotta say, Heather Gudenkopf, being just the sweetest, sweet woman of all time and so gentle and so kind and just lovely, and being one of the more brutal thriller authors that we read, like, really some disturbing, scary, violent stuff in her books, I would say a highlight last year is how she said she makes her husband lay down, lay with your body here, so that she can envision if it'll work for her book.
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B
Oh, my gosh, those are houses I do want cameras in. Can you imagine?
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A
I want that scene recorded at any rate. Well, listen, I, like, I've told you this before. I like watching people's vlogs. Like, I. That's what I like to watch the most. And you know what? My kids like it too, especially Rosie. We like to follow somebody who does really boring life stuff online and we watch them, like, put up their Christmas decorations. So I appreciate when people have cameras all over their house, basically.
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B
Can I tell you, I think this is so cute. My son and his, like, group of five friends do this, but they don't post it online. They just say, like, hey, Hunter, today is your day to show us, like, a day in your life. And at the end of the day, you have to send the video to your groups of friends. And it's so funny because these are just teenage boys. So he's like, here's me playing video games for three hours.
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A
How cute is that?
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I know, it's adorable. They'll just tag each other and be like, today's your day. So I was looking through his photos last night to find something, and there was one of him, and he was just, like, sitting up and he looked like he just woken up. And I was like, what is this? And he goes, oh, it was my turn to do A Day in the Life of Hunter.
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A
How fun. That's really cute. It is. It's cute. And it's just.
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It's just their group of boys, which is good. I can't think of any true crime cases off the top of my head that are like poisoning. I had to look them up. I'm like, do I know any? But I guess the mushroom one's super popular.
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A
Yeah, that's a. That's a good poisoning one. I feel like this book brought in so many different things, and I feel like we've barely talked about the book. That's because we read it so long ago. But it is so good. And I loved. I loved the atmosphere. I Loved the weird juxtaposition between the old and the new in the house and the description of, like, putting technology into something that should be preserved. I love the movement that we see online of people sharing their, like, re. Like, the end of the super modernization era of design. So, like, homes that have been all, like, whitewashed and turned into, you know, everything is white, everything is clean. Everything is clean lines and, like, ceramic floors is, like, kind of going out of style, and we see dark academia and color coming back in. So I love the idea of, like, a luxury home that has those two things together. I loved the creepy kid who's, like, a disturbed child. I love anything with creepy kids. I loved the fact that we didn't know it was the dad who was like, just the skeezy old man hitting on this young nanny, and then it's her father.
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So gross. I loved, too, not knowing, like, she did a great job of. We didn't know why the other nannies left. We just know they all left, like, in a hurry. And you didn't find out that they left until you found out how gross the dad was.
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Oh, I know. I know. And two, there was, like, a ghosty element, and I loved that it wasn't actually a ghost, but I loved that it was like, this. Play on. Is there a paranormal thing happening here? I do not love paranormal stories generally. Like, I'm not into ghosts, but I like a story that makes you wonder if it's a ghost and then it isn't.
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Yes, we. I mean, we're. Same page with that. I'm not a big paranormal ghost person, but I like thinking it's an option, as long as it's not the answer in the end. Did you watch woman in Cabin 10 on Netflix?
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A
Oh, no, I did. I watched the whole thing.
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B
Yeah, I'm not gonna. I don't know. I. I'm just gonna say, as always.
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A
The book was better than the movie, definitely. But I liked it. I liked it. I just. I. Listen, I have a gripe. Do you want to hear it? Do you want to hear my general gripe about movies?
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Yes.
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I don't like movies that don't use natural color and light.
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B
I did. I have no problem with it.
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I like things rooted in reality. So I just like it to look like something that could actually happen. And when you blue screen and dark, so it's really dark and blue, I'm like, this doesn't feel like anything realistic. This is like a fantasy story.
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B
Yeah.
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And it takes me out of it of being able to be like, that would be so scary. And putting myself in the situation, like.
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Do you think it just looks a little too AI or too just like.
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Yeah, and just like, it's like a story world. It's not what reality looks like ever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't. I'm not going to say anything about it. I think it's entertaining. Watch it if you want to. See if it follows the story. But I like Love Is Blind better.
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A
I think it's entertaining too. I found it entertaining. I did enjoy the movie. I just am particular about that. Like, I also am getting older and so my eyes are going. So when you. When it's really dark, I don't like having to be like with my squinty eyes. Life is so hard, everybody. I had to watch my movie and it wasn't the light I liked. Okay. Oh, my gosh. I'll tell you what is a win for me right now. And I feel like I'm speaking more clearly. My numbness from my dental work this morning is wearing off and I feel much better.
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B
You're gonna get to eat now.
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A
Okay?
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B
Hold on, I'm looking something up. You know, today is both of. Both of the people I love the most were having medical procedures. You went to the dentist not even knowing you were gonna be numb. And then here.
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A
And then. What happened to Otis? Just kidding.
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B
Well, my mom's having a. Just a test done today, but she has to get contrast, right? Or like you drink something, but then it has to be in your body for a long time. And she's like me, where she only kind of half listens. So she's like, now I just have three hours. I'm gonna go get some Christmas lights, I think. So she's just out driving around until she goes back to her appointment.
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A
Well, you're going with her, right?
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B
I'm gonna go when she actually does the like, it's just like a bone scan thing, but, you know. Well, we don't need to get into this. But certain sicknesses are on the rise. So there's only certain places we can be in the waiting room. Because I guess the whole Covid flu is really bad right now. I know. Okay, I want to tell you something. I looked up because I always like this. If you like this book, you should read this. So I'm going to tell you, the list says if you like Turn of the key, and I agree with these, you should read the Wife upstairs. Oh, Behind Closed Doors. Word, Home before dark.
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A
Okay. I actually thought of that book while we were talking.
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B
The Book of Cold Cases, which I have actually wanted to read.
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A
I haven't read that.
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B
And the Paris Apartment, which I did read by Lucy Foley and I liked.
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A
Oh, I haven't read that either.
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I think you would really like it. And I also forgot, didn't Ruth Ware right now maybe this one's my favorite. Didn't she write one by one? I know I didn't just remember. I lied to you right in that moment. I saw it on the Google. It said, Ruth Ware wrote one by one.
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A
How dare I.
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How dare either of us forget?
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A
We should be fired.
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B
Let's fight. We. I fire you. Is that how it works when you're. You can try. If we have any listeners after this episode, it's a miracle.
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A
Absolute miracle. What are you doing here? This is terrible. I. I fire us both. Okay, we're going to get back on our game. So future books we're gonna talk about. We have no idea. We'll let you know. Do we know?
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B
No, this was the one. Let me look at our list. We had a list started of, like, we have to talk about these books. And I think Turn of the Key was the last one that we really wanted to make sure we talked about.
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A
We could talk about. Should we talk about some of our recent book of the months? Like, we haven't talked about the newer Ashley Flowers one?
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B
Yes, but I'm laughing. I typed in my notes, and I typed in the word, oh, my God, I can't breathe. I typed in whatever I was looking for. Turn of the key. And the first you. You're gon me as a friend. You're going to be like, this has gone too far. The first note that came up, the title of it is Reasons to love Emily reader. Was I trying to convince myself?
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A
Was I? You were sharing that with, like, some of our other mutual friends to be like, you guys, we can't drop her. We can't kick her out of the group chat racket.
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B
No, I just looked. It's from when we did our, like, very first, like, ten things about you. Ten things about me. And I was like, like starting to write a caption about it. But I just love that the first thing that came up was, like, reminder. This is why you should love her every morning.
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A
That's your most people do gratitude. You do reasons to keep your best friend around.
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B
Oh, my gosh. Okay, so which book of the month do we want to talk about?
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A
Well, I think the Ashley Flowers. The missing half.
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B
Oh, I like that. I like that book a lot.
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A
Right. Let's talk about it a little bit.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay, so let's do that one soon. Okay.
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B
That one and.
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A
And maybe do Forget Me Not Stacey Willingham, her new book.
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B
I think maybe.
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A
Or maybe we give that one some time since it's brand, brand new. I feel like we have to wait a couple months for people to read them all.
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B
I know. I agree. I'm kind of trying to look back and remember on, like, our chats which one had either the most people who absolutely loved it or people being like, eh, I don't think I really loved that one.
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A
You know what I'm gonna listen to this week is Mary Kubica's newer one, Every Last Lie.
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B
I Can't Anything she Writes. I'm sure you should be amazing.
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A
Okay, then listen. And then let's do that one.
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B
Okay. And then I Also, Claire McIntosh, I Let yout Go. Because, you know, we loved her book and it's been recommended now by three different authors independently. When I've said, like, if you had to say, what would you say? And they're like, I let you go by Claire McIntosh. It's supposed to be really, really, really scary.
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A
Oh, I'm excited about that one. Okay, I'm going to put that on my list stat. And let's do the Mary Kubika and that one. Let's read those soon. It's fun to have something that we reading together.
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B
I know it is. So we'll do Mary Ka and the Vanishing Half. So if you haven't read those two, read those. So then you're ready to listen to us talk for five minutes about books and an hour about nothing.
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A
Okay. And I'm saving. I let you go right now.
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B
Okay. I got it with. To read with my eyes, which I haven't done in a long time. I'm worried.
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A
I don't know how any. Okay, bye, everybody. Thanks for listening.
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B
Thanks for listening.
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A
For more content, find us on Patreon at the Creepy Book Club.
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B
Happy reading.