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Brain Driven Brands
Hosted by Sarah Levinger · EN
Host Sarah Levinger breaks down the advanced neuromarketing secrets of 9-figure brands (like True Classic, Spotify, and Plants vs. Zombies) to show you psychology tactics any e-commerce brand can use today to cut costs, boost sales, and captivate the masses.
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Reduce Cart Abandonment by 21% with THIS Psychology Tactic
6d ago00:20:58Summary readyWhat if the reason customers are abandoning their carts isn't price...it's guilt? New research across 14 million e-commerce sessions reveals that the more pleasure-based items are in a cart, the higher the abandonment rate. (The solution for this is simpler than you'd think.) In this episode, we break down the psychology behind practical vs. hedonic upsells, why cold traffic wants logic before emotion, and how messaging sequence is the most underrated lever in DTC marketing. Nate also just bought an RV and accidentally became the perfect case study for why practical add-ons are a conversion cheat code for e-commerce brands and direct response marketers. Source: https://app.sciencesays.com/p/suggest-practical-items-to-reduce-cart-abandonment 🎉 Join the community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
SummaryWhat Makes a Good Creative Strategist?
4w ago00:17:21Summary readyIn this episode, we get into the three layers of the job (tactical, exterior, interior), why "taste" is the hardest skill to teach, and the in-house vs agency debate that keeps getting it wrong. If you're a creative strategist trying to level up (or a founder trying to hire one) this is the framework we wish we had years ago. Plus: why the apprenticeship model dying is the real reason the industry can't produce great talent anymore. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why you can teach someone to be adequate at creative strategy, but not great → The 3-tier skill stack: tactical for beginners, business for intermediates, psychology for experts → The one skill that separates good copy from copy that actually moves people → Why an intermediate at your brand will out-perform an expert off the street → The real reason 40,000 people signing up for bootcamps still won't fix the talent gap ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The skill nobody can teach (but every great strategist has) 01:30 Sarah cashes in $1,000 of free consulting from Nate 03:30 What an expert creative strategist actually knows (it's not what you think) 05:30 Where intermediates fall short — and the business knowledge gap 06:45 Copy that sounds cool vs. copy that moves people 08:00 How to actually vet creative strategist candidates when you're hiring 10:15 The Connor Rowan question every strategist should be asking themselves 11:30 Why the apprenticeship model dying is killing the industry 14:00 The agency vs in-house debate (and who actually wins) 15:30 The one piece of advice for anyone trying to level up right now 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
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The Psychology Trick That Makes Your Price 26% More Persuasive
May 100:21:33Summary readyIn this episode we break down the science behind price font size, why hiding your price reads as "embarrassed about the value," and how to use category psychology and price anchoring to justify premium pricing in crowded categories like supplements, meat snacks, and beyond. We also share a live test we're running this week on Meta ads and why most brands are still pricing like it's 2022. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why bigger price fonts can make your product feel 15% cheaper → The Walmart yellow-tag principle hiding in plain sight → Why most DTC brands shrink their prices (and why that's a confidence signal to customers) → How to anchor a $60/month supplement against "another sleepless night at 3 AM" → Why you should be price testing year-round, not once every 18 months → The "staple a teddy bear to a wall for $6M" lesson on category perception ⏱ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The mullet, the headphones, and why Sarah is anxious about AI 04:15 The pricing quiz: what makes a price 26% more persuasive? 05:30 The answer nobody guesses right 07:00 Why small price fonts read like you're hiding something 09:00 The product categories where this works (and where it might not) 10:30 The car dealership test that proves the limit 12:15 Why we're still price testing in 2026 (and you should be too) 14:30 The hot tub infomercial trick: $3/day vs. the full price 15:45 Category psychology — why a Maserati and a Corolla both just "drive" 17:30 Be proud of being the most expensive brand in your category 18:30 Purposeful price anchors vs. the Amazon default 19:30 Reframing your category instead of competing inside it Source: https://app.sciencesays.com/p/numbers-in-larger-fonts-are-more-persuasive 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
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The New Avatar Framework (How to Build Avatars That Scale in 2026)
Apr 1600:19:24Summary readyThe customer avatar wasn't invented by a marketer. It was invented by a software developer in 1983 who just wanted to know how someone would click through his app. And yet, we've built entire marketing strategies around it. In this episode, we're gonna question everything we know about avatars so you can too. 😅 We get into why obsessing over WHO your customer is (age, gender, zip code) might actually be the wrong starting point and what we think marketers should be focusing on instead: When → Why → Who. Market to the moment first, understand the emotional driver second, and let the demographic details do the last 5% of the work. From OG watch brand case studies to the Taco Bell drive-through at midnight, this one was just a brain dump of consciousness around one simple question: how should we be building avatars that scale in 2026 and beyond? ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why the customer avatar was designed to understand *behavior*, not predict who would buy → The difference between psychographic avatars and avatars that actually tell you what to do → How the same ad made men and women buy the exact same watch for completely different reasons — and why that's the whole point → The "when" framework: how to map customer wins first, emotions second, and demographics last → Why Taco Bell's "open late" campaign is a masterclass in marketing to the moment, not the person 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab ─────────────────────────────────── 🎙 CO-HOSTS ─────────────────────────────────── Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
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We're Back! 🎉 And We Need to Talk About What's Happening...
Apr 800:29:14Summary readyWe're back from a 3-month break to break down the three "storms" reshaping the industry: Meta's algorithm quietly flipping the paid ads playbook upside down, an AI-fueled brand identity crisis draining trust faster than anyone expected, and something we're calling "AI gentrification" and why it might be the most dangerous shift of all. We're all feeling the pain. But there's a path through and it's not what most people are doing. ⚡ IN THIS EPISODE → Why running more ads is making your performance worse → The organic vs. paid reach gap nobody's talking about (99% vs. ~80%) → How AI is destroying the apprenticeship model in DTC → What "conviction" actually looks like in a brand and why almost no one has it → Our contrarian take on what comes next A Renaissance is coming and it's going to be built by the anti-AI crowd! 👉 Join Sarah's Creative Strategy Community: skool.com/tether-lab Sarah Levinger 🌐 tetherinsights.io 🐦 x.com/SarahLevinger 💼 linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger 📸 instagram.com/sarah.levinger ▶️ youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg Nate Lagos 🐦 x.com/natelagos 💼 linkedin.com/in/natelagos 🎧 Tactical & Practical Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534
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We're Taking a Break: What's Next for Brain Driven Brands
Apr 600:12:09Summary readyAfter years of weekly conversations unpacking consumer psychology, growth strategy, and how brands actually make decisions, they step back to talk candidly about priorities, growth, and what it looks like when your work evolves faster than the containers around it. They unpack why Brain Driven Brands started, what it became, and why it's time to pause and rethink what comes next. Along the way, they reflect on personal growth, career shifts, and the behind-the-scenes realities of running fast-growing businesses without pretending it's all tidy or linear. You'll also hear: Why "packaging" matters just as much as skill when it comes to brands and personal brands What Tether Insights actually does, and why most research misses the real reasons people buy Nate's work scaling supplement brands, building from zero to one, and treating messaging as a growth lever, not "just copy" Why pauses can be strategic, not stagnant This isn't a goodbye it's just a pause for now. A reminder that growth sometimes means stepping back to build the next version properly.
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41 Things Every (Senior) Creative Strategist Learns Too Late
Dec 3000:22:16Summary readyIn this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah and Nate play a rapid-fire game of Smash or Pass with some of the most overused, misunderstood, and quietly dangerous ideas in modern marketing. We tear into things most teams can't say out loud… and the ones they're afraid to admit: – Why you can't optimize an emotion that was never there – Why most "testing" is really just for the founder's ego – How beautiful creative can hide a serious idea drought – Why iteration can be growth (but usually isn't) – And how creative fatigue is often just leadership fatigue in disguise This isn't a how-to episode. It's a how-are-you-thinking episode. We talk about idea tracking vs. concept hoarding, empathy vs. data, AI vs. taste, speed vs. depth—and why most ads fail because they're answering questions no customer ever asked. If you're running paid media, managing a creative team, or quietly wondering why "doing more" keeps working less… this one will feel uncomfortably familiar in a good way. (Listen for the moments where we disagree. That's where the real insight lives.) Original tweet:https://x.com/SarahLevinger/status/1994428068220273056?s=20 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
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Our 2026 Predictions: Here's What You Should Bet Money On
Dec 2300:22:22Summary readyWhat's going to happen to DTC in 2026 once the AI noise dies down, tariffs stabilize, and brands stop pretending vibes are a strategy? In this holiday episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah and Nate don their ugly sweaters, roast underperforming AI tools, and make real predictions they'd actually put money on. They break down why 2026: Could be a breakout year for disciplined brands Why community is shifting off rented platforms and onto brand-owned ecosystems And why the biggest risk next year isn't effort…it's distraction. You'll hear takes on: • Why brands who "hang out" with customers will win • The rise of on-site social and owned community ecosystems • How AI should actually be used (hint: not for final copy) • Why messaging and copywriting are about to matter more than ever • Dynamic pricing, premium buyers, and letting your best customers spend more • Micro-movies, PDP under-optimization, and where content is heading • Why UGC is evolving into character-driven storytelling • And a hopeful prediction about marketers finally sharing real signal instead of shilling If 2025 felt like learning to ride with training wheels again, this is the conversation about what happens when brands finally stop wobbling, and start moving with intent. 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
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16 Prompts to Rule Them All
Dec 2200:24:00Summary readyIn this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah and Nate pull back the curtain on the exact AI prompts they actually use to generate high-performing ad ideas—the ones that don't sound robotic, generic, or like every other brand on the internet. After revisiting one of the show's most-downloaded episodes, Sarah shares why most AI-written copy fails, how she rebuilt her prompts from first principles, and what happens when you tell AI which psychological mechanisms to use before it writes anything at all. Together, they live-test these internal prompts on a real brand ad (cowboy boots), exploring how different psychological levers change the creative direction entirely—including: First-principles thinking paired with loss aversion Quiet status signaling and open loops Curiosity-driven hooks and reverse psychology Instead of asking AI to write headlines or scripts, Sarah shows how to use it to generate raw ad concepts—and why the last 10% (the human part) is where all the money is made. This episode is part live teardown, part psychology lesson, and part behind-the-scenes look at how six-figure ads are actually born—not from clever wording, but from properly framed ideas. If you care about better creative, higher prices, and ads that don't feel like ads…this one's for you. Sarah Makes Nate Cry With a Prompt Episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2cVZ3nIE8YUMAlO6Qm0NFN?si=UWSUywsJTmqoz5bkRVgADw 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
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Stop Chasing the "Why": Here's How Real People Actually Buy
Dec 1800:19:53Summary readyFor years, marketers have been told to "find the why"...which drives Sarah absolutely nuts. 😅 In this episode of Brain Driven Brands, Sarah argues with Nate that this idea of the "one true why" is what broke modern marketing. People don't buy for one reason. They buy for many reasons—depending on mood, timing, environment, identity, stress level, and context. The real driver isn't why someone buys. It's when. Using real-world examples (from whiskey splurges to Starbucks rituals to Rolex buyers at different life stages) this conversation breaks down why over-optimizing for a single "why" leads to brittle brands, shallow segmentation, and wasted creative effort. Instead, Sarah and Nate explore how brands should think in terms of emotional "whens," behavioral states, and consistency over persuasion. If you've ever felt stuck hunting for the perfect insight, this episode reframes the problem entirely…and gives you a more realistic way to build brands, messaging, and creative that actually scale 👉 Join my community: skool.com/tether-lab CoHost: Nate Lagos Twitter: https://x.com/natelagosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/ Tactical and Practical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tactical-practical/id1752915534 CoHost: Sarah Levinger Learn more at: https://www.tetherinsights.io/ Twitter: https://x.com/SarahLevingerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahlevinger/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.levinger/ Watch me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwfjt_7PU5N_2fTfHemXXg
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