6: Interviewing my idol: Chelsea Handler gave me brutal advice - Ep. 6

Summary

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Brand Safe — Ep. 6: "Interviewing my Idol: Chelsea Handler gave me brutal advice”

Host: Tana Mongeau
Guest: Chelsea Handler
Date: June 13, 2026
Podcast Theme: Growth, Reinvention, Honesty in the Digital Age

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Main Theme & Episode Purpose

This episode marks a pivotal and personal milestone for Tana Mongeau, as she sits down with her lifelong idol, comedian and author Chelsea Handler. With unfiltered candor and characteristic humor, the two dive deep into themes of reinvention, authenticity, resilience, and the art of carving one's space in media as a bold, controversial woman. For Tana, Chelsea represents a blueprint for evolution: proof that, as she puts it, “it’s never too late to wake up and want to be somebody else.”

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Key Discussion Points & Notable Insights

1. Idol Worship & Generational Influence

Tana is effusive about Chelsea’s impact on her career and outlook:

• Growing up watching Chelsea Lately, feeling seen by a woman who speaks her mind without apology.
• Chelsea as an example of reinvention and prevailing against public opinion.

Quote:

“...what better person to usher me into that than a person I have watched have a third thousand rebirths... not only reinvent, but prevail with that reinvention.” —Tana Mongeau (03:24)

Timestamp: 02:00-04:30

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2. Starting Over, Letting Old Versions Die

• Tana reflects on the discomfort of evolving and shedding past personas, paralleling Chelsea’s constant evolution.
• Embracing the pain, uncertainty, and liberation that comes with leaving behind old selves.

Quote:

“I had to continue to reinvent to get to this point and have deaths of different versions of who I was. And while I still hold hands with them, they weren't capable of being here.” —Tana (06:11)

Timestamp: 02:00-07:30

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3. Authenticity: The Bedrock of Success

• Chelsea’s “radical authenticity” is her ultimate coping and communication strategy.
• The importance of not taking yourself too seriously, especially as a public figure.

Quote:

“If you're in the business of being yourself... you have to just be really authentic to who you are... If you're honest, you don't get into a lot of trouble.” —Chelsea Handler (21:28)

Timestamp: 21:28-23:10

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4. On Reinvention & Transitional “In-Between” Anxiety

• Both reflect on the unsettled space between identities.
• Chelsea describes her most self-conscious years as those ‘between versions’ of self—living in public while recalibrating internally.

Quote:

“There is an area of time between the person you used to be and the person that you're becoming... it is very unsettling because feelings come up during that transition.” —Chelsea (23:31)

Timestamp: 23:31-25:00

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5. Coping Mechanisms, Solitude, and Burnout

• Chelsea’s strategies for maintaining sanity: alone time, recalibrating in Spain, therapy, exercise.
• Tana and Chelsea compare coping mechanisms (“Alcohol has been a very good friend to me my whole life and we have an understanding.” —Chelsea, 54:23).

Timestamps: 25:19-27:03 (solitude), 51:26-54:19 (coping, substance rankings)

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6. The Myth of the Five-Year Plan

• Chelsea never had a “strategy” for her career — authenticity and gut are her guides.
• Critique of calculated, overmanaged “brand” personalities in entertainment.

Quote:

“They're very meticulous about their career... That’s never been my vibe. I don’t overthink things. I don’t care enough... My image doesn’t require my seriousness.” —Chelsea (28:34)

Timestamp: 28:34-29:16

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7. Relationship Boundaries, Privacy, and Public Life

• Chelsea’s evolution in handling relationships: clarity, space, and no longer ending things dramatically.
• How the experience of public relationships (e.g. with Jo Koy) changed her approach.

Quote:

“I'm always like, listen, I need space... And if you want me to rescue you from a conversation, give me that look...” —Chelsea sharing her new partner’s approach (37:28)

Timestamp: 37:28-39:08

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8. Pet Peeves & Everyday Observations

• An extended comedic riff on bad airport etiquette, baggage claim chaos, airplane clappers, and weird travel foods.
• Chelsea’s and Tana’s practices/annoyances when flying and traveling.

Timestamp: 42:02-47:35

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9. Reflections on Regret, Humility, and Getting the Ick

• Chelsea’s infamous party story (being carried out by Chris Evans & Jeremy Renner), and the humility of public mess-ups.
• Sex, relationships, and learning not to end love affairs acrimoniously.
• Outgrowing anger and “being the gavel” in others’ lives.

Quote:

“I just was over myself, you know... I just needed a break... A reset.” —Chelsea on leaving Chelsea Lately (31:50)

Timestamp: 35:36-34:18; 61:59-62:43

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10. The Evolution of Stand-Up (and of Self)

• Tana gathers advice on starting stand-up; Chelsea insists there are no shortcuts except for “just do it.”
• Both discuss how their on-stage (and off-stage) personas have changed: Chelsea was angrier and faster, now more measured.

Notable Quote:

“I used to yell and scream and be a lot angrier... You just refine, I think, as you age.” —Chelsea (65:16)

Timestamp: 63:53-66:33

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Authenticity:
  “You can create whatever reality you want all by yourself if you just don’t give up.” —Tana (04:00)

• On Coping Mechanisms:
  “When I can’t function, when I can’t do my day... I just don’t have it in me. I can’t do it. I’m too emotional. Like, you know, crying... I'm not a big crier... I'm like, oh god, you're a mess.” —Chelsea (51:33)

• On Drug Preferences (Humorous):
  “Alcohol has been a very good friend to me... if you took away everything else, I would miss alcohol the most.” —Chelsea (54:23)

• On Career & Reinvention:
  “I always say, if I can end up being a tenth of the woman that you are in the end of my career, I will be so satisfied with myself.” —Tana (63:38)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|-------------------------------------------------------| | 02:00–07:30 | Intro, Why Chelsea as 1st guest, Handling reinvention | | 21:28–25:00 | Authenticity advice | | 25:19–27:03 | Solitude, solo travel, burnout | | 31:50–34:18 | Leaving Chelsea Lately, needing a reset | | 37:28–39:08 | Relationship boundaries, need for space | | 42:02–47:35 | Pet peeves: planes, travel, etiquette | | 51:26–54:19 | Coping: substances, emotional health | | 63:53–66:33 | Stand-up evolution, advice | | 66:44–69:44 | Anger roots, therapy, confidence. |

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The Episode’s Tone & Style

Rich with tangents, wit, and a confessional vibe, the conversation maintains Tana’s trademark openness and Chelsea’s deadpan wisdom. Both women blur the lines between persona and person—modeling what public reckoning with personal growth looks like after years in the internet limelight. The tone is constantly self-aware, frequently hilarious, and generously transparent.

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Final Takeaways

• Reinvention is necessary and often painful. Both women model how to let go of old selves without shame.
• The cost of honesty is sometimes public pain, but the dividends are inner peace and fan loyalty.
• You don’t need a master plan. Gut, grit, and authenticity are enough.
• Growth requires pattern, patience, and humor about your own failures.
• Women in media can be “messy” and powerful—these are not contradictions but strengths.

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“You can be wild and crazy, but you can also run a business… from being authentically yourself.” —Tana (63:19)

Transcript

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[Tana Mongeau]

are so brand safe, you guys. Chelsea Handler just walked out of the store and I really just. First of all, I scarfed down a Joe and the juice wrap because one thing about me is I am a when I'm hungry. Okay? And someone censored that again because we are so brand safe. And I, I am like Lady Gaga in that sense where Lady Gaga is always saying that quote. You know, she's like if there are a hundred people in the room and they all tell you no and that's her thing. And I'm always referencing a past version of me. But even just if me saying sitting on that plane with her would know the way that our relationship would evolve I think that that girl would have word to Amaya. Love island would have been tacky.

[Chelsea Handler]

Cardick.

[Tana Mongeau]

Okay, today I went and did her podcast, Dear Chelsea. And it was amazing, you guys, 100%, if you're intrigued by this episode at all, should go watch that afterwards. It was really good because sometimes I leave a podcast and I'm like, I actually just farted out of my mouth for an hour. But I didn't feel that way today. I got to have such a great conversation with so much substance from my idol. And there is a part of me as well that when I'm sitting there and talking to, I kind of leave my body and there's almost this feeling of having a conversation with who you want to be. It's funny even just choosing her to be my very first ever guest. You know what I mean? How nerve wracking. How alarming. But at the same time, to me, it's very poetic because this podcast to me, is the start of this new era, letting versions of me die and continuing to grow into new versions of myself. And what better person to usher me into that than a person I have watched have a third thousand rebirths and continue to not only reinvent, but prevail with that reinvention and become better and better versions of herself. But also it's inspiring to a girl like me in a city like this, because it's not typical reinvention. You know, she's Chelsea Handler and she says the thing that no one else has the balls to say. And she was the first person to ever teach me that, like, we as women do not have to shut the up. And especially now in the society that we're in, I think that there is so much of that, so much of society wanting women to shut the up. You know, I was swinging the pendulum too far and I was being a little too dialed back for a second there. I think that I was so chaotic and so drama starting and so unfiltered, but also like, why are you speaking Rubik's Cube for so long that I almost was like, had anxiety and was reverting into this shell. And I'm finally back in this place now where I am at this happy medium where I'm still saying what's on my mind. And she is just a constant reminder of that, that you can run a business and people can take you seriously, even if you have to fight for that and you can create whatever reality you want all by yourself if you just don't give up. And if you continue to stand up and you can still be an unfiltered woman who says what's on her mind. And even if sometimes you still got to throw a little apology here and there, like, that's okay, and that's who I am. And she is such a reminder of that for me. When I found out that I had the opportunity to have her be my first sit down guest on this podcast, I was absolutely elated. And now that she's left, that's what I feel like today's conversation was. It was a conversation with who I want to be in so many ways, minus the alcohol. God, she just. She is so amazing and gorgeous and beautiful and can drink like a normal person. But other than that, it really is. And seeing her shows and just stand up and all of the different things, book writing, all of the different things that she's done, that if I can do one tenth of, I would be so genuinely proud of myself. And it just makes me feel like, you know, we are in the right place and the right time. You're going to see a lot of different looks because these episodes are not in consistent order. Okay, she's brawn. Now, before anyone cancels me, I need to wash off this spray tan so bad. It's a scandalous right now. It just keeps getting darker and I need to go exfoliate. I leave for Las Vegas tonight and I'm sure you guys will actually be getting some episodes from this Vegas trip because I am unbanned from the win and I am about to do my biggest in Las Vegas and podcast from there for the first time with Amare with Holly Madison. So many things are coming. I felt like today's episode is a really great one to open this podcast with. Like, while there still will be chaos and hilariousness and giggles and more of my introspection, effective thinking and just, you know, talking about the things that I've learned over the years and stuff. I get to sit down with someone that I truly, truly hope to emulate across my career in so many ways. She went from Jimmy Kimmel last night to doing the Tana Mongeau brand safe show today. And it means the world to me. And I just really, really hope you guys enjoy this. This one means so much to me to start this new, different journey. And I hope you guys enjoy. This is one of those moments where I just shut the up and listen as well. I really wanted her to hear what she has to say and to soak up some of that wisdom. And she said so many things across this podcast where I will absolutely Never ever forget them. If you are out there and you are, you know, wanting to reinvent who you are or wanting to strive for the moon, when I say that interviewing Chelsea Handler was something that I just never, ever thought I could do and so many versions of me would not have been capable of doing. I would have been like, Chelsea, you know, Like, I had to. I had to continue to reinvent to get to this point. Point and have deaths of different versions of who I was. And while I still hold hands with them, they weren't capable of being here. And I just. I. I want to be that for the girlies. I want to show them that it's never too late to wake up and want to be somebody else. It's never too late to strive for the moon and actually hit, because this is my moon today. So without further ado, please enjoy this conversation with none other than my idol, New York Times bestseller, touring legend, unfiltered legend, television legend. You know, I was eight years old watching her, talk her on Chelsea lately, and I have no idea if I would have become the anything or who I am today, let alone without her. So, Chelsea Handler, And I'll make sure to have a microphone coming from the ceiling next time. Just right in front of you.

[Chelsea Handler]

Where's your.

[Tana Mongeau]

Where are you putting the wire shaft?

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, I see. Okay.

[Tana Mongeau]

Wire, not my problem.

[Chelsea Handler]

Even more uncomfortable. You're an idiot. Welcome to Brand Safe. We actually need a sponsorship deal from a microphone company.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. Or just even a stand.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, a microphone stand company.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was telling you I'm not a big holder. Like, when it comes to holding things, I just don't think it was my calling.

[Chelsea Handler]

Not at all my calling. It's just like, I can't clean.

[Tana Mongeau]

I don't agree more.

[Chelsea Handler]

If I see something that's messy or dirty, it's like. If it's messy, it's one thing.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

But cleaning a stain.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. How do you. With the. Because you're. You're a big dog person, and I just fostered a dog. I failed, and now he's mine. Last night at.

[Chelsea Handler]

What do you mean you failed and he's yours?

[Tana Mongeau]

That's like. It's a foster fail. Like when you don't give them back.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, oh, oh, yes. Oh. I thought that. Okay. I didn't know it worked. I know.

[Tana Mongeau]

I kind of agree with that verdict.

[Chelsea Handler]

The idea is to foster, to keep.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. But a lot of people say no, because then you can't continue to foster.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think either way, it's. You're doing a good thing.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. So you got a new dog. That's great.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, but he pees more than me. It's like, how does this little chihuahua have so much piss? Like when your dogs are peeing, what do you do about it?

[Chelsea Handler]

In the house?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, like your dog pees in the house right now. Are you. Who are you calling? Well, my dog wouldn't do that.

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[Chelsea Handler]

in the beginning, but it was never in my house. It was when we took him to different house, like in Vegas. We were doing my promo shoot for my residency there and he went on the bed and peed all over the bed. In Vegas in the hotel room that they. I was like, welcome to my residency Cosmo. Like this is my life. I was like, I also need to borrow $3,000 to gamble.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's like looking in a crystal ball.

[Chelsea Handler]

And then he did pee a couple. Like it's always someone else's problem. I can't do it.

[Tana Mongeau]

I just.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't even know how to do it.

[Tana Mongeau]

I heavily Heavily Heav. Heavily relate. The piss is a lot for me right now. I'm really having. But let me do a proper intro actually, cuz I'm just talking about piss and you're sitting here. Chelsea Handler. Thank you, Chelsea Joy Handler. Joy, the woman you are. I cannot thank you enough for being my first guest on the Brand Safe podcast.

[Chelsea Handler]

My pleasure. I'm happy to be here always.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's funny cuz even right now you were like, there's no stand to the microphone. And today I had this thought where I was like, how stupid of me to start with my idol. Like maybe interview some influencer that I don't like as much.

[Chelsea Handler]

Or a Kardashian.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Like just pick. Pick Courtney.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Courtney.

[Tana Mongeau]

Sorry, Courtney. To be in beta still and have Chelsea Handler be sitting here is just so funny to me. It almost feels too easy in the regard that I'm like, what do you mean? My very first guest on my podcast is literally my idol, just sitting on this couch with me.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, that is really sweet and ridiculous. So just let's put that out there. That's my reaction to that. Okay. And to go, first of all, congratulations on your new podcast.

[Tana Mongeau]

Thank you so much.

[Chelsea Handler]

And this is your own podcast. This is all you.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's. Yeah. And it's. It's. It's really great. It's definitely a little more nerve wracking, like, but in a good way, because you care. You know, even this. I've cared so much and I just. I'm so happy to have you here. I will say doing your podcast first was the choice. I'm so elated we did that. Because even. Even the first 15 minutes of your podcast, I was like having a seizure. And you're like, hey, Tana, like, you're kind of seizing, like, are you okay? Like, what's going on here?

[Chelsea Handler]

And then you had to pull the scoliosis card.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, and then I said she was offending the whole scoliosis community.

[Chelsea Handler]

So apologies again to the scoliosis community. I didn't know she had scoliosis and I was wondering why she couldn't sit still.

[Tana Mongeau]

But also, I was just having a seizure.

[Chelsea Handler]

She also had like three Red Bulls before she got there.

[Tana Mongeau]

So that's fully speedballing today.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Tana Mongeau]

Red Bull beta blocker.

[Chelsea Handler]

Let's put that out there and not blame the scoliosis. Actually, I'm more protective over the scoliosis community at this point than you are.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's so real. For that, in order to see you, I need Such a cocktail to get my chemicals right so I can act right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Tell your audience what that cocktail is today.

[Tana Mongeau]

It is a Red Bull, a beta blocker, gabapentin, and a little bit of Xanax. Okay. Just to. Because even the first time that we ever were in the same room, our jet Suite X story, which we were getting today, like, I thought I was gonna go into cardiac arrest. Genuinely seeing you in that airport and just losing. Sorry.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm just trying to get my hand around this shaft in a comfortable way. I mean, honestly. Honestly. What the f Is this? What the.

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[Chelsea Handler]

I should have called Courtney.

[Tana Mongeau]

Even that first time. Obviously, I eventually decided on that plane. I was like, I'm not in the state to talk to her.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I'm very glad I did.

[Chelsea Handler]

I am, too, actually.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Because it's a lot to handle when someone, like, fans come up to me all the time, but when they're emotional, it becomes like, then you have to help them deal with their emotions. And you're like, no offense, but I don't even know you, so, like, please deal with that. And I'm happy to have an interaction, but I can't emotionally carry you through this if you're emotional about it. So it's much better that we met

[Tana Mongeau]

after 100, and then I got to, you know, get it together. And you ended up doing Canceled. And you do have this beautiful way of the second that, like, I'm with you. It's like, all the nerves do. They subside, and it just ends up being so fun. We even had a little Vegas rendezvous, which I did. I felt like the Vegas make a wish child of a century. And it's so funny because I was wearing this skirt that I didn't try on before I got there. My out. Like, we're in a nice room.

[Chelsea Handler]

And then she was gonna bring her boyfriend to the dinner. We always do a dinner beforehand from before my shows in Vegas. And she. I was like, okay, are you bringing your boyfriend? She's like, no, I told him to stay home. I'm like, that's another strong move.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

I liked that. Yeah. It's not for him. It's for us. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. No straights around. I had to bring my gay. And then you were so good to him, too. It was just like you were. And to see you in action at the Chelsea is something so special. I tell everyone that they need to see your show there. Like, it is just.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you.

[Tana Mongeau]

Incredible. And then we gambled all night, which is just. I like that. You have a gambling problem like me?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Well, would you.

[Tana Mongeau]

Would you say it's a problem? No, because I say that it's only a problem if you're losing.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I win all the time. And I don't. I don't. And I know how to get up. None of the things I do are a problem because I'm not an idiot. You know what I mean? And no offense to people that overdo things and have to stop.

[Tana Mongeau]

No offense to idiots.

[Chelsea Handler]

No offense to idiots. But I know when to hold them, and I know when to roll them. Is that the saying? No. Something like that? No.

[Tana Mongeau]

When to hold them? No. When to fold them.

[Chelsea Handler]

Fold them? Yeah, fold them. Like, I know when to get up from the table and walk away. And if I win, I'm never avaricious. Like, I don't have to win $20,000. I can just break even. And then I'm like, okay, that was a fun night. I just rented a good time.

[Tana Mongeau]

I love. I just rented a good time. I'm definitely in the era of gambling, where I am chasing the win. Like, breaking even is not enough to me.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Tana Mongeau]

And then I'm like, wait, am I turning into my father? Like, the kids aren't gonna eat.

[Chelsea Handler]

The fun thing is that this new guy that I am dating has a gambling problem.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And we gamble together all the time. And I love that he. And he does have a gambling problem.

[Tana Mongeau]

And the way I'm sitting here, like, goals.

[Chelsea Handler]

But. But I. I also. When I found out he had a gambling problem, I was, like, turned on. I was like, that's really funny. He just likes to gamble, and he doesn't gamble, like, crazy amounts of money. I'm like, up it a little bit. That's not enough.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And so I love that because he'll call me, like, whenever I'm on tour, which I am right now. I'll go to different cities, and he bets on whatever home team is playing in the city. So, like, for Cincinnati, we bet on the Cincinnati Reds. For Cleveland or Columbus, we bet on the Columbus Blue Jackets, a hockey team. Like, we just find a team that has a home game, and we bet on them. And I love that. That's fun.

[Tana Mongeau]

Sports betting is also great because you can do it from anywhere. Then you're like, something somewhere. You're like, at a terminal at the airport, and you're like, I just won money. Yeah, it's nice. But that's the other thing. Now I start getting. I'm at the point where it's like, I want to bet on, like, throwing.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm just gonna fix this part of your hair because I don't think you're gonna like that. It's flying up.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think that I really took it there recently, frying it off.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, did you?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes, because I had this. I had this maga lob going on, like, and I just. I had to fix it. I said fry my shit.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Tana Mongeau]

It's so funny because I was the same way. I do get offended. A bob is weirdly offensive.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, Bob. That's how I'm going to soccer with my minivan. I don't want Bob. I just want a shoulder length little do little whoopsie Doodle.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Okay, I love you little whoopsie Doodle. But I think that when you start to get to that above nipple territory and it's like not short, but it's not long that it. And especially if you're blonde, it leans maga. You know what I mean?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, it does. Yes, exactly. But also, like, my hair was long and straight for so long with the middle part. I'm like, I'm so bored with the way I look. Like I have to change it up. And then my friend came to visit me and she had this cute little kind of much shorter haircut. So I was kind of going for that.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

But then I got to my hair salon and he's like, you don't have hair like that. Like, your hair is thin and blonde.

[Tana Mongeau]

They love to tell me I have four strands brands to work with.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. And I'm like, all right, we'll do the best you can. And I'm like, I've had short hair before. And I just. I'm like, it's cute for a minute. And then I'm like, where's my. Oh, I have had no luck lately. Wait.

[Tana Mongeau]

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[Chelsea Handler]

Hair. So we did a little bit longer because my hair grows fast. But I mean, I do like, you know, you gotta freshen it up every once in a while.

[Tana Mongeau]

I agree with that. That's actually like talking about freshening it up and just different eras. I feel like today on your podcast, we were talking about this a lot and that was what I really wanted to talk to you about today. I feel like I'm in this era where I am starting a new podcast. I'm leaving versions of myself behind. And you are the woman who has had. You've done it all and you've had so many rebirths. I called Gay Mokoa today, who you met in Vegas. It's funny because I never would have said this about you normally, like, but you're like Barbita. Yes. You're Crass Barbie. You talk your Barbie, but, like, Barbie on the moon. Barbie does things. Barbie's here. Barbie's in Uganda. Barbie's like, you've literally done it all. There's been so many different eras of Chelsea. You're even in a new one now. I feel like with I'll have what she's having, you were kind of, like, really focusing on being almost mothering a lot of the younger girls in your life and becoming a better sister and becoming a better. I don't know. I want to. I want to hear your advice and your take on the rebirths that you've had.

[Chelsea Handler]

I think that you have to, like, just. Just go. And I think that you already are doing this. Like, I think you have to just be really authentic to who you are. You know, if you're in the business of being yourself, which is what you're doing and what I'm doing, then you have to really be honest and truthful about where you are and not misrepresent yourself. And that way you don't get into a lot of trouble. Because I get away with a lot of things that people would be like, I could never. I don't understand how you get away with that. I'm like. Because I'm being authentic, like, and I've always been authentic. I'm not saying things to get a sound bite. It seemed that way in the beginning, but it wasn't. It was just voicing my opinions, which weren't that, you know, common to voice, I guess. You know, like, so, like, when I wrote a book called My Horizontal Life, nobody had written a book about being promiscuous. Meanwhile, that's what most of girls in their 20s are doing is having sex with different guys and dating different guys and finding out what you're into. I think it's just really about being authentic to who you are is the best badge of. Of honor and authenticity and trust building between you and your fans. And now, like, as you go through different phases of your life, like, your audience doesn't always stay the same. Some people are die hards and will ride with you forever, and that's awesome. And some people don't come and find you until later. And some people are over you when you change and you like butterfly or turn into the next version of yourself or however you want to frame it. Obviously, I would never use that phrase like that. I'm turning into a butterfly. I'm good with all the versions of me, and I'm happy about being authentic to who I am and not Shying away from it or being scared or. Which I think is the most important aspect, not taking yourself too seriously. It's just life, and it's already harsh. There's so much harshness around us. And it's. While life is big and feels like it's a huge responsibility, you don't have to take your image so seriously.

[Tana Mongeau]

I feel like I had so many eras where I was living with no anxiety, not caring how I was presenting, and almost in this stage of shedding and becoming someone else, it was the first time where I did start to kind of really overthink how I was perceived and get those anxieties and stuff like that. Now I'm trying to swing the pendulum back, I guess, to being. Not giving a. But a little more polished.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And we were talking about this on my podcast just before, too, which is there is an area of time between the person that you used to be and then the person that you're becoming. And in that little transition, transition period, it is very unsettling because feelings come up during that transition when you're trying to figure out what the newer, better, more improved version, more mature, more evolved version of yourself is. You do feel self conscious. I know from my experience, felt self conscious for the first time in my life in a long time. I spent like four years thinking about what I was saying, thinking about how I was coming across, thinking, thinking, thinking. And I'm like, this sucks. Yeah. Like, I. This must be what everyone else is feeling.

[Tana Mongeau]

Like the beta blockers.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yeah. And you kind of have to go, okay. And I'm so glad that I had that period to reflect on. I didn't like it, but I'm out of it.

[Tana Mongeau]

What do you feel like was the, like, radicalization, the moment, I guess, that brought you out of it. I'm sure it was a culmination of moments. Right. But, like, what changed?

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't know that it was a moment that. I think it's like everything is just kind of like a wave and you ride it. Sometimes you. You're feeling like, oh, this sucks. Like you're in a state of your life where it's not great, or you're not feeling like you're at your best, or you're not feeling like you've accomplished some of the things that you want to do. But you have to always remember that those feelings are temporary. Just like success is temporary. Those feelings are temporary. So it's like finding the balance of getting through those things and going, oh, maybe this is my time out of the Limelight. This is my time to, like, invest in myself. This is my time to go spend a month somewhere alone. This is my time to not focus on the outside. It's to focus on the inside and to really get down with yourself. You know what I mean? And I spend a lot of time doing that. So now I'm in a place where I'm like, okay, I'm back on track. I'm back to who I am, but recalibrated in a nicer way.

[Tana Mongeau]

Do you feel like that's the time? Because obviously, as I read your books over the years, or like, I'm watching you do a set or just whatever it is, I always. I'm so interested. I know that you gather so much of your inspiration just through living and stuff, but is that the time where you're your most creative and you're writing these things and you're doing these things is in the alone time.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't get a ton of alone time, but I want, like. I like alone time.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So, like, this is the first year that I had a vacation by myself for three weeks at my house in Spain. Like, I went for three weeks, nobody was there. I didn't drink. Drink. I didn't. You know, all I did was work out, eat, read, meditate. And I worked on this. I worked a little bit, and I just had to get refocused because I was just burnt out.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And that's my kind of vibe. I always go hard, really hard, and then I have to, like, okay, I'm gonna black out. You know what I mean? I'm gonna crash and burn. And that's okay. That's my speed. I have, like, two speeds, on and off.

[Tana Mongeau]

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm, like, hitting the ground running until I physically can't run anymore. And then I of, like, reserve and I mean. Yeah, it is. It is a great thing. It's so amazing to me, though, that you have been touring and doing this for so long, and you. I mean. Yeah. You found this way to not burn out and this way to keep it going. Do you plan on doing it until you die?

[Chelsea Handler]

No. I mean, I have a lifestyle that I need to maintain, and I don't mind working. I like working. And I. And I like people and I like my fans. So I don't imagine, like, I always used to say when I was younger, like, there's no way I'm gonna be in front of the camera when I'm 40. You know, it's like, good luck. I mean, that would have been nice if I could just retire, but I don't even have the mentality for retirement. No. I don't see myself doing this until I'm 75 years old. But who knows?

[Tana Mongeau]

I would love to see you, like,

[Chelsea Handler]

wheeled onto a stage. I know my brother's like, you know, you can extend your life. There's, like, this new program where if we all pitch in, we can extend our lives. If you get past the next. Next 10 years of AI and everything that's about to happen, which they've been saying is about to happen for the last five years, they said you can, like, extend your life to live to, like, 125 years old. And I'm like, I. I can't afford that. And I don't want to live till I'm 125. Take me the out. I don't dry vagina, like. And what. And do stand up. What am I gonna do at 125 years old? I live for my big, dry vagina. What is that about?

[Tana Mongeau]

What is 125 year old? Look, we don't want to know.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't know. I mean, hopefully they can regenerate that, too.

[Tana Mongeau]

Are you gonna be stem selling it and trying, or it's like microdosing and we're taking.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I don't know what I'll be doing. I mean, I don't really have a desire to live that long, quite frankly. Like, I mean, if I wouldn't mind some sort of group euthanasia at some point, just like, the way the world is. I don't want to be around for, like, the seriousness of climate change and the seriousness of the social discord. I wouldn't mind if, like, somebody said, okay, in five years, you have to commit to euthanizing yourself. I'd be like, okay.

[Tana Mongeau]

And honestly, that could be really fun if we all just. Just got together.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And then we just, like, have a great big party weekend.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And then at the end of it, everyone just takes a sleeping pill and you never wake up.

[Tana Mongeau]

I honestly. You have such a point. Chelsea Handler for President.

[Chelsea Handler]

Definitely.

[Tana Mongeau]

God, it's. It is so wild just seeing you in this era of your life, because I feel like I've seen you in every era, and it's just very cool to see how much you've applied all these versions of Chelsea to get to this one.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And it's also, like, like, important to, like, you know, they're not calculated. I've never had a strategy, and many people would say, we can tell you Know, like, I've been around a lot of people in this business who are strategy oriented. They want a five year plan. They're very, like, meticulous about their career, about how they're perceived, about what people think about them, and about how they're presenting themselves. That's never been my vibe. I don't overthink things. I don't care enough. I don't have the attention to myself in that way. Again, it's not taking yourself too serious seriously, which I think, you know, you and I come together about a lot on that subject. You know, you seem like someone who doesn't take yourself that seriously. And while certain situations may require seriousness, I myself, my image doesn't require my. My. My seriousness.

[Tana Mongeau]

It's just so much more fun that way. It's so much more fun that way. You know, at any time in my life where I was holding on to a different version of myself for too long, I can feel that the disconnect, you know, and just how important it is to. To remain authentic and say what's on your mind, even if it gets you in trouble and stuff. And I definitely have learned that from you.

[Chelsea Handler]

Sometimes I'll read a quote from myself, or somebody will, like, something will be circulating that I said, or a quote will get picked up, and I'm like, oh, God, why'd I say that? And then I'm like, like, you know, after the IDEA hosted the Critics Choice Awards this year, and after I said something, I was doing some interview and I said something about Timothy Chalamet and how it was pretty hard to watch him campaign so hard for an Oscar. I'm like, it's just kind of an ick. And, you know, like, a couple people were like, maybe don't go so in. So. Because I was like, maybe no more interviews. And, you know, I don't really need to be doing interviews right now. Why am I taking shots at someone I've done I barely know, I don't know at all? You know, and then all the Timothee Chalamet happened with the ballet and opera, and my friend's like, you're a witch. She's like, you said it. And then he did it. She's like. And he proved to everyone why he is, you know, is arrogant and an asshole. And I was like, no. Now I feel bad for Timothy Timothee Chalamet because he dug such a hole for him. I'm like, but now I don't feel bad about what I said because it was true. It was too much. It's hard to see someone try so hard to tell people they deserve something. That's not humility in any way. You know what I mean? There's also that aspect of things where you just kind of want to be a little bit more gracious as you get older. I know I do. I don't want to expect things or demand things, you know, Like, I've been

[Tana Mongeau]

noticing that too, that shift in my brain. I think I used to wanna be the person who put the gavel down on people. You know what I mean? Like, you're doing the wrong thing and I'm gonna like. And then as I get older, I'm like, where the Did I get off trying to, like, tell people they were so wrong for doing all these things? Like. And people deserve grace. And I think as you get older, also, when you see these younger people doing the stupid. It's like I was doing the same thing.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Like, the unsolicited opinion. It's like, who asked you?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

No one asked me. I had to find out. You know, I'm like, a bunch of times, I'm like, no one has asked for my opinion about anything.

[Tana Mongeau]

I had to wake up one day and realize that as well. Like, no one is asking for you to do all that. Yeah, there's still a way to be funny. But did you ever feel like in certain points of your career that you felt like you had to do that? Like, even in the Chelsea lately days, Even in other days, like, this pressure to be brash or this pressure to say that, like, you know what I mean? You start off by talking your. And it's authentic. And then over time, you build this image on it. Do you ever get to a point where you were like, I don't want to be just that, or, I don't need to, like, share all that, or I don't.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, those are two questions. One, did I feel pressure to be that way? No, that was natural. That was innate. After. Yes. Like, for a while, like, you know, at the end of my, like, run at Chelsea lately, I just. People couldn't understand why I would walk away from that show, which is now so many years ago. I think that ended in 20, 2014 or something. I just was over myself, you know, in a way. Like, that's like a great way of putting. I'm just not really interested in doing this right now. I need a break from myself. I'm on TV every single day. If the show was on three times a week. I was getting sick of hearing my name and I Couldn't imagine how other people felt. And I just needed a break. And I was like, kind of where you are after you, you know, left your last podcast, like a. Kind of like a reset. You're like, okay, I want to do something different, which is this. This podcast for you and I. For me, it was going to Netflix and starting a different kind of documentary series. And then I did my show there, which was, you know, kind of neither here nor there. Those shows don't really work on those platforms, so I was the first one to do that, and I did that for a couple of years, and that was fun, but I wasn't feeling the same way I felt on Chelsea Lately, which was a party, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, this isn't for me. I don't want to be tied to a desk. I want to travel the world. I don't want to be tethered to anything. I have so many appetites for so many different things. I want to buy a house. House in a different country. I want to speak a different language. I want to, like, learn more. And how do I do that while making money, you know?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So, like, I'm glad all of my interests kind of relate to my career, and I was able to make a career out of my interests.

[Tana Mongeau]

What was the most fulfilling after that time? Like, what was the first thing you did when you realized that. You know what I mean? That made you feel like, wow, I'm doing this.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, I thought I was going to take, like, two years off. I'm like, I'm going to take two years off. I want to learn how to ski. That would be my most fulfilling thing. I spent 55 days skiing every single day. I went up to Whistler, Canada, which I now have a house there. But I. At the time, I didn't. So I just hired a ski guide. I checked into the Four Seasons, and I lived there for the winter, and I paid some man who I ended up sleeping with. So then I had to start hiring a woman. I had to do that, too. Yeah. It's when someone's in control of your body in any sort of way. Like, in, like, in charge of keeping me safe. I'm attracted to them.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I thought that. That people was like, the proper thank you. I think, as well.

[Chelsea Handler]

I also thought that.

[Tana Mongeau]

And, like, I had a big era as well, where I was confusing friendship. Like, if a guy was just like, a good friend to me, I was like, well, I have to. You.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's like, right.

[Chelsea Handler]

I kind of Went through that too. That was like in my early 20s. I went through that phase and that was a short phase because once I had sex with two of my friends I was like gross, gross and gross. Not interested.

[Tana Mongeau]

Do you have any. Just overall overarching. Whether it comes to relationships or anything. Is there any, anything. I guess this is a two parter question too as well. Any moments of humility, like where you were humbled, crazy that.

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[Tana Mongeau]

stick out to you or regrets.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean I was carried out of a party once, I think by

[Tana Mongeau]

who

[Chelsea Handler]

was it Chris Evans and Jeremy Renner? You mean sexual?

[Tana Mongeau]

Whatever.

[Chelsea Handler]

This wasn't sexual. But they carried me out of party one night because I just, I was on this kind of new diet like where you were eating 500 calories a day and you were taking shots and you're not supposed to drink and I had like two drinks and just it was over. I got carried out of a party that night and that, that was embarrassing. Like I've never been like that. You know what I mean? Like I'm not like that. I'm a drinker but I don't lose my, like, I'm not a mess. I don't even think I would say it's. I regret it cause I liked what it did for me. I was like, you are not allowed to ever behave that way in public. Not that I hadn't been badly behaved at some times. Yeah. But that was drastic. So that was embarrassing. And that gave me humility. And also, like, way you're in this business, you're a public person, People are paying attention. Everyone there saw me like it was a thing. But I think you met sexually, right? Do I have regrets sexually? Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. A lot of guys that I just had sex with because I felt bad for, or I was like, this will get me out of here quicker.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I mean, I'd have to really think about who those were. But also regrets about ending relationships in an acrimonious way.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I think is something that I did a lot when I was younger, that I was like, that's not cool to do. Like, that's not what mature people do. Like, I don't do that now. I would never yell or scream at someone.

[Tana Mongeau]

How does the Chelsea breakup look now?

[Chelsea Handler]

It's just like, it's a wrap. It's a wrap. And, like, they know that at any minute. I mean, everyone I know or everyone I date knows that at any minute, it could all be over.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I really love that you present with that. I think it's normalizing. And you also normalize that as well. You know what I mean? I found myself in situations like that, you know, where I'm leading people on. You've always been so good at that, presenting with it. Like, hey, this could be over at any second. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm always like, listen, I need space. The guy I'm dating right now, one of the first things he said to me, we were in Antarctica on a boat. This was our first date, was Antarctica. Okay, you know the story. We met in Vegas. We were gambling. I needed money. He had a bunch of chips. I asked him to borrow money. And then we ended up. He ended up meeting me in Antarctica. So we were on a boat for seven or eight day. Ten days, I think. Ten days. I was with my friend. He had his own room.

[Tana Mongeau]

But I also feel like that's a lot for you, even just being on something in the middle of the ocean.

[Chelsea Handler]

But I'm at peace in the ocean, and I'm at peace around ice. I love ice. The good kind, not the bad guy. Yes, the kind that's in Antarctica. Anyway, we went, and one of the first things he said to me, he said is, you seem like somebody who needs a lot of space, and I know a lot of people on this boat. We're on a psychedelic cruise. Like, it was a conference about the studies of psychedelics.

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh, okay. Okay. I thought it was just something you made up so that you could.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, I mean, it was a work trip, so I. We. You know, we were doing a lot of drugs and stuff and psychedelics, lsd, mdma, all that kind of stuff. And one of the first things he said to me was, you seem like someone who needs a lot of space. There's a lot of people here who want your attention, and I don't know you well. So I'm gonna just circle around, and I'll be around every hour. And when you're ready to hang out with me or want to hang out with me, just give me the look and I will come. If you want me to rescue you from a conversation, also, give me that same look, and I will come and get you out of the situation. And if you want to hang out, great. If you don't, I'll go do something. And I'm like, that's hot.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, that is. That, like, touched my heart. That feels like that is a person for you. Do you feel like in your. Because you've also had a lot of, like, past public relationships, so obviously I know who I'm thinking about when I'm asking this question, but, like. Like, do you feel like a lot of other people didn't give you that? Like, is this a new thing?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Well, no, I just didn't know how to ask for space. Like, it's funny when you say public relationship. Like, I have. I've had some very public relationships, and most. Like, the most recent one would be Jo Koy, which was very public, and people were really cheering us on. And that was all sweet and very, like, you know, nice to have that support from the public. And I had never really experienced that, other than being, like, tabloid fodder, like, with 50 Cent or some of my other boyfriends were just, like. It wasn't like people were, like, cheering us on. So with that, it was a different thing. I remember, like, recently, when it became public that I was dating this new guy, I was slipping pictures of him through my carousels on Instagram because I was like, I'm not making some declaration, but this is who I'm spending my time with. And I like to be representative of what's actually happening in my life. I'm not just gonna post 15 pictures of myself in Istanbul without the person that I'm there with. It's weird. That's even weirder, I think, you know, But I'm also not saying.

[Tana Mongeau]

I do think that's so weird.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know that. And People are super private about that shit. But I. I was like, it's a. And. And somebody's like, I thought you weren't going to be public with anybody after Jo Koy. And I'm like, why? That doesn't. I don't care. Me and this guy will probably break up at some point too. And then I'll be posting about someone like, it's not that serious about, like, I don't think it's serious. Like, I don't have to protect. I have to protect my private life. I don't feel that way.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm the same way. I think I will always just unapologetically share whatever. Like, if, God forbid, Macaulay and I ever broke up, I. I don't think I would be so scarred. I can't, though. I also just can't. I'm the type of person who can't shut the up. I can't hold things close to myself. I want to share it to the people, but I also think that that's what builds such an authentic connection with the people who follow you and have been following you for so long. And you have that same thing. Summer is one of those seasons where everyone expects you to be having the time of your life. You're traveling, making plans, saying yes to everything, trying to make every moment count. And while all of that can be really fun, it can also get overwhelming fast. And I feel like I've learned recently that taking time for yourself is just as important as all of the plans. Sometimes the healthiest thing you can do is slow down, check in with yourself, and figure out exactly what you need. That's one reason therapy can be so valuable. Therapy can help you better understand your needs, feel more confident setting boundaries, and create a version of summer that actually feels good for you. With over 30,000 licensed therapists, this BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform. They match you with a therapist based on your needs and preferences through a short questionnaire. And if you ever want to switch therapists, you can at any time. You don't have to. Say yes to everything this summer. Find support in therapy. Sign up and get 10 off at betterhelp.com Tana that's betterhelp.com Tana thank you better help for sponsoring today's episode of Brand Safe. Even at your show, just like seeing all of the people in the crowd who clearly had just have such a connection with you, they feel like you're their best friend and stuff. You are so good about the icks too. This was kind of an ADHD tangent. But one of the things you were talking about on stage that I was dying at, was it a guy that you were dating or was it your sister's boyfriend, maybe, who brought the suitcase on the beach?

[Chelsea Handler]

Suitcase on the beach? Was the guy I was dating.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

He was dragging his suitcase along the sand. Yeah. And I couldn't believe it. Sorry. I was like, what the Is that? Like, are you. Have you ever been on vacation before? First of all, check your bag at the lobby. All right. And change your clothes. And don't walk on a beach with your suitcase. I mean, it was one of them. I mean, it's an image I can't ever get out of my head. I've never seen anyone do that. He also had traveled with hard boiled eggs from a different country to Bermuda. That should be illegal. And if you are traveling with hard boiled eggs, you should have to swallow them whole.

[Tana Mongeau]

I've never understood that. Like, even the fact that they serve, like, fish on planes. I don't care how good this fish is. Like, now this Airbus smells like pussy.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Awful to me.

[Chelsea Handler]

I saw someone bring muscle oysters on a plane once.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oysters, yes. No, you can't bring oysters on a plane. That's a shellfish even. Where are you gonna put the shells? I know. Brief jerky smells so good.

[Tana Mongeau]

Why is beef jerky just sold in airports? Like, I don't. I've eaten some beef jerky on a plane, but I.

[Chelsea Handler]

You have to be sensitive to the smell of what? The food. Of the food that you're eating.

[Tana Mongeau]

I also really appreciate that you are a major advocate for airplane etiquette. Okay. And I think over the years, there was drunk. Tanner definitely might have had some toes out on the plane, which I know.

[Chelsea Handler]

I believe that you definitely had more than toes out on a plane.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. Dogs.

[Chelsea Handler]

Gripping. Yeah. And probably a little too.

[Tana Mongeau]

For sure. And I've definitely refined that over time. And now who I am now is. I can't believe the way people act in airports.

[Chelsea Handler]

No. And it's almost like when you like, I sat next to this guy the other day, and he was so nice and clean and considerate. Cuz we were, like, both sitting next to each other and he was just so, well, kempt. And I was like, thank you, thank you. Like, it doesn't deserve a thank you because it should just.

[Tana Mongeau]

The bar is in hell.

[Chelsea Handler]

The bar is so low. But I'm like, thank you for not being a gross person.

[Tana Mongeau]

You know what really gets me too? I pretty much. And this Might be too far on the other side of the pendulum, but I will. Unless I have a connection and even then, I don't know. I will sit on the plane until everyone is like deboarded. I will be one of the last people off the plane. The people who, the second that that bell dings, stand up and they're shuffling for their carry on. They're knocking someone in the head for their carry on. It's like you realize you're then just gonna have to stand there and wait.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I, I'm one of those people. But that's because I'm at the. Well, I'm at the front of the plane and I want to get off. I'm not waiting around like the ding ding. I get up and get. But I'm not a psycho about it. I just get up and I'm always letting. I always let everyone who's before me go. I'm not trying to rush in front of anyone. But you know, I am flying. Like I don't want to know. I'm not waiting for people to go. So we differ.

[Tana Mongeau]

I can respect that.

[Chelsea Handler]

I can respect that.

[Tana Mongeau]

But are you a checked bag girl?

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't like to check bags.

[Tana Mongeau]

Well then that makes sense.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, right, exactly. No, I don't like to check bags. On the occasion that I do check a bag. I mean it's rare and it's usually an international trip I usually have. I don't do that because that's I

[Tana Mongeau]

guess where my head goes. I'm like, Susie is standing up, rushing.

[Chelsea Handler]

You are just going to be waiting in the baggage. You're right. But also when you're sitting like this conversation is going to go in the wrong direction because I'm going to talk about flying first class and, and, but let's just be honest. That's what I'm doing. So when you're flying for like there's no reason for me to be sitting in 2B and wait for the entire plane to do like they really do do that. But what, why, what are you doing up there?

[Tana Mongeau]

I think it's cuz I'm so lazy that the idea of the fact that if I then I'm at 2B so I'm getting off off first and then I'm a checked bag girl.

[Chelsea Handler]

What are you doing while everybody's de

[Tana Mongeau]

planing playing like subway surfer. There's a lot of other things I have to work through. But I don't want to then just be waiting at the baggage claim.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, I don't either. I don't want to be waiting at the baggage claim either.

[Tana Mongeau]

The way people huddle around the baggage claim like it's a music festival performance,

[Chelsea Handler]

just because your knees are touching, that is embarrassing. I agree with you that the way people behave around a baggage claim is embarrassing.

[Tana Mongeau]

Embarrassing like you're, that's your shins touching the.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And then when you get to the point where it shoots out like, you better be on high alert because it's coming fast. And then you have to act fast

[Tana Mongeau]

and then people are hucking bags. That other. It's just, I can't believe it. Sometimes I think that's my favorite thing about you is the way you talk about your pet peeves though. Like hearing you on a tangent about like things that you absolutely hate.

[Chelsea Handler]

You know what else I hate? When you're on a flight and the pilot, it is screaming like the volume is way too long. Like loud. And, and it's like almost, you know, like an a, like a radio station that's not quite tuned in and they're screaming and it's like lower the volume. Nobody wants to be talked to in that range.

[Tana Mongeau]

I also don't know how many facts I want.

[Chelsea Handler]

Exactly. Exactly. I don't, I'm not interested either. And I also don't like when people clap when a plane lands.

[Tana Mongeau]

Chelsea. I was just going to get started on that. I, I, it is my literal, actual biggest pet peeve on planet Earth. The clapping on the plane lands. But also I think that I really, when I developed that pet peeve, I really just hated everyone and everything.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it's. But for some reason it has stuck with me.

[Chelsea Handler]

But it's stupid cuz it's supposed to land. Like that's what's supposed to happen. Like why is there, I mean, unless, unless you land on the Hudson like that guy did. Sullenberger. Sully Sullenberger. Then you can clap for the plane. Absolutely. Everyone should be clapping for that.

[Tana Mongeau]

Or some extreme turbulence.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, I guess. But I mean, I don't know. And I'll say thank you to the pilot. I'm grateful, but I'm not clapping.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like me either.

[Tana Mongeau]

Ever. There was this day though, that I was on tour. I was flying from some city to some other city. We all land. I have in my noise canceling headphones, right? And through the noise cancel, I hear a round of applause like we are at the Sphere Las Vegas. And I take off my noise canceling headphones and out loud. And this is on me because I didn't need to go all out loud. Loud. You know, I go, what? Like, why are we all. Like, it was a perfectly normal flight. It was a short flight. I was like, what is up with the clapping? I, like, I vocalize my disdain, and the man next to me turns to me and says, it's Veterans Day and they're clapping for our veterans. I'm a veteran. Like, he keeps going and he. I can just tell this man is absolutely seething. And I. I'm. Me too. Like, I had blonde 24 inch extensions.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I'm going like, you're like, what is Veterans Day?

[Tana Mongeau]

And that was. I learned to stop vocalizing my disdain

[Chelsea Handler]

because it's like, yeah, you know? I know, I know. Yeah, those are. That's why the only, like, negative thing about noise cancellation headphones. But I do love when I can pair my noise cancellation headphones with my phone and it actually works because I'm technologically a little bit on the. You know, you wrote about that in

[Tana Mongeau]

Life will be the death of you.

[Chelsea Handler]

The noise canceling headphones are dangerous for that reason. You know what I mean? Because sometimes you're like. It's like anything with headphones. Headphones, like, you start talking more loudly than you would with them out. Because I had to quit.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, I had to quit for that reason. It made me a worse person overall. And I had to adjust for my environment for sure. But I feel you so hard on being so technologically, like, inept. Like, you always even just, like, living in a house where you don't understand.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. Has that gotten better for you? It.

[Chelsea Handler]

I've gotten more patient about. Still doesn't work. I believe it's my dead mother with me. I believe my mother is like, that's something she would do. She would be like, oh, I'm gonna make sure your blinds don't all go up at the same time. Or I'm gonna make sure that the program who's doing your sonos music only plays in one room and then turns on and off in all the other rooms for no f. Cking reason. And that's just, like, the bane of my existence. So I've learned to better deal with it and have more patience with technology. So I would say I've improved, but it's not by a large margin.

[Tana Mongeau]

Honestly, though, that's. I needed to hear that. And maybe I should start also. Right. Writing it off to the dead, because I have a very similar problem. And my patience is. I'm not the most patient person.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I'm not patient. Like, if I want something Done. I want it done yesterday.

[Tana Mongeau]

And speaking of wanting something done and wanting something done yesterday, you have had the house from hell.

[Chelsea Handler]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Everybody. Our director of Health and Human Services. I bought his house, and it feels like I bought his house. It's the same. The house was in the same shape as the Department of Health and Human Services for about four years, and I finally moved in. You were there. You were one of my first guests in my podcast room there. Thank you. It is a beautiful house now. So now I need to break it in and give it some good vibes, because the vibes are missing.

[Tana Mongeau]

But it was a long process. I feel like every time I was texting you, you were like, yes, what's happening today? Type of thing. And just people.

[Chelsea Handler]

And also getting in a victim mode. Like, I would get really upset and emotional about my house. House. And no one could understand why I was getting so upset and emotional about my house. And at one point, I think one of my cousins said to me, like, maybe you should go see your therapist. And I'm like. To talk about my house. And. And then I did. I was like, okay. Well, I was out of ideas, and I just. My coping mechanisms were off. And I ended up finding out my hormones were completely off. And that's also a major aspect of it. When I went to talk to him about it, he really did sit down with me and explain, like, course you're upset. You have your. You're like, You're. You're rudderless. Like, you have no home. You're constantly bouncing around from friend's house to rental house to friend's house to rental house with my dog, da, da, da. And he's like, you have every right, you all. You're like a, you know, like a hot air balloon. You're constantly traveling, and then you come home and you have nowhere to land. Yes. That's destabilizing. And I was like, thank you. Like, I needed. Like, it's like a baby. I needed someone to hear me cry. Yes. You know when you say you're coping

[Tana Mongeau]

mechanics, mechanisms were off. That's such an interesting thing to me. What is an off coping mechanism for Chelsea Handler?

[Chelsea Handler]

When I can't fun. Like. Like, when I can't do my day. Like, I'm like, cancel everything. I just don't have it in me. I can't do it. Like, I'm too emotional. Like, you know, crying, stuff like that. I'm not a big crier. So when I can't control my emotions, I'm like, oh, God, You're a mess.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And like you, you shouldn't be out and about. You should. Shouldn't be in public.

[Tana Mongeau]

What is your go to coping mechanism?

[Chelsea Handler]

Alcohol. If I have to go to a party and I don't want to go or I have to go do something, I don't want to go, I'm like, all right. Last night I went to a thing. I did want to go, but I was just.

[Tana Mongeau]

So.

[Chelsea Handler]

I've just been on the move. I've been pretty busy. So I was like, let me go. It's on my way home. I was in. I had done Kimmel, so I was in Glam. I'm like, I. I should go. But I just went and I was like, I'm not going to stay for dinner. I. I'm just gonna have, you know, I had one drink. Drink, and I. And I. And it was wonderful. I was there for like an hour and 45 minutes. I put in my time and I got the. Out of there. But if I didn't have alcohol, I don't think I would go. Yes. Like, when I'm in that state, I like, I can go to a dinner and not have a drink, but when I'm in that state and I'm tired and I need to power up, that is my friend.

[Tana Mongeau]

I understand completely. That's why I'm a hermit now.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Right.

[Tana Mongeau]

Truly.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right.

[Tana Mongeau]

And finding that balance again is so hard because it is. It's. It's lubricant for doing. You might not want to do. Do.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And weed. Like, I love weed. I love smoking weed and, and that.

[Tana Mongeau]

But that's furthers the hermit.

[Chelsea Handler]

It doesn't serve the same purpose. Weed is like, for when I get home. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

Are you. Are you a social high?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I could be socially high. I mean, I can pretty much be high wherever. And if I need to be home, I can do that. And I'll take an ad. I take an edible almost every night, you know, Or a sleeping pill. It's one or the other a Xanax.

[Tana Mongeau]

Okay.

[Chelsea Handler]

Xanax for me. I know Xanax is an upper for you in some weird other, like. I don't know what other. What's it called? Like, I mean, not a matrix. What other quantum physics world you're living in. That Xanax is an upper.

[Tana Mongeau]

It makes me clean my house and like.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Which organize things.

[Chelsea Handler]

Means your chromosomes are off.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So.

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, we've been.

[Chelsea Handler]

Because. But mine. But Xanax for me is just like. It's like, I. Can I get a Great night's sleep.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah, that's great.

[Chelsea Handler]

When I don't drink, obviously I have my best nights of sleep, you know, so those are like, like that's when you get quality sleep.

[Tana Mongeau]

And do you get hung over?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, if I go, if I go off, yeah. But, but I'm pretty, you know, like I have a pretty tough constitution. Like no matter what, I get up at 7 o' clock in the morning and wake up. It doesn't matter what happened the night before.

[Tana Mongeau]

No way.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

And do you like, like if you are feeling like. Do you have your remedies?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I have electrolytes and my.

[Tana Mongeau]

So you're not a hair of the dog girl?

[Chelsea Handler]

No. In the morning drink alcohol? You mean together?

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, I mean I, I was a

[Chelsea Handler]

hair of the dog. Oh, in the morning?

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh no, I don't do that. No. I mean, no. I mean if I'm on vacation maybe, but not the morning. Really? Let's like let's. I always exercise first. Yeah, I like to like get going, get my body moving and then I'm not opposed to having a drink or something at lunchtime. But no, not in the morning. That doesn't appeal to me even when I'm hungover.

[Tana Mongeau]

I want your master list ranking of substances.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Tana Mongeau]

From worst to best.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, alcohol has been a very good friend to me my whole entire life and we have an understanding. So I'm gonna say alcohol is number one. Because if you took away everything else, I don't know that I think I would miss alcohol the most. Even if I could have weed, it's still not.

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the same. Because alcohol gives me a little pep in my step. Like, it gives me the energy that I don't. If I don't have the energy, weed, I could go without for the rest of my life. I love being stoned. I love edibles. I love smoking a joint. I really can't smoke that much weed because of my throat. I have, like, it just end up clearing my throat for days when I smoke a joint, which is really what I love to do. But that also makes me stupid when I abuse it. MDMA is my favorite drug. It's a tie between LSD and mdma. Microdose of both. I definitely have noticed as I've gotten older, like, mushrooms used to be a favorite of mine. I don't love mushrooms the way I used to. When I'm on mushrooms, I believe everyone's wearing a wig. And. And the last time I was on mushrooms, we stayed up all night with my girlfriends. We were on this camping trip. Well, it's not a camping trip. We were away and. And we stayed up and we were having, you know, like the mushroom laughter, which is so fun. But we woke up in the morning or we were on up in the morning when the sun came up and we heard the birds chirping and we started bird watching. Like, literally bird watching. And someone got out a bird watching book. And I'm like, no, no at all. This is a very slippery slope into wearing Velcro sneakers. Like, I will not be bird watching. And if this is where mushrooms are taking us, then I'm out.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

So I got off the mushroom train and I'm not in. There was kind of like also like a nausea, like a little slight nausea with mushrooms that I was.

[Tana Mongeau]

I agree with that.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I don't like that. And I don't know if my physiology is changing as I'm getting older, but I try to respect the drug and respect my body, and if it's not hitting me right then, then I take some time off.

[Tana Mongeau]

I agree with that. Honest. I had the same thing with mushrooms. Really, where I, like, love them so much. And then the last time I took them, like, I sort of think everyone was like, almost like sleeper cell spies. I think, like, I started to get really, like, paranoid on that. Like, people's intention weren't good. And then I'm a cunt. So, like, I'm just being a bitch to people who I love, which is

[Chelsea Handler]

not what mushrooms are about at all.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right.

[Tana Mongeau]

I didn't even know. I mean, I guess maybe I was in a dark place, but I've been scared to try them again. I have Coachella coming up, and I'm debating because I haven't done Molly in a long time. I haven't done MDMA in a long time, and I had a big phase with it.

[Chelsea Handler]

What about lsd? Have you tried microdosing? It's not crazy. It's like a little bit. It's a lot like mushrooms.

[Tana Mongeau]

I haven't ever tried micro dosing it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Okay, so maybe that would be a different world.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's not scary at all. You don't hallucinate. You're not out of your tree.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like, I could take three or four microdoses in a day.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And if I, you know, if you were to do it, I would say take a half, and then you take another half. You see?

[Tana Mongeau]

But it's a half a tab, really? Micro dosing a half a tab? Yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Is that what you're saying? Yeah, it's a microdose. It's like one tab is not even. You would have to take four or five of those for a full head of acid.

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh, okay. I get what you're saying.

[Chelsea Handler]

So it's a fraction.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah. I guess I live in this thought process that it would make me see the hat man, you know, that I would like even a micro dose because that's how it was for me when I would take it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yeah. That is not what people think associated with, like, what it was years and years ago is not what it is today. It literally is like, for me, I would describe as, like, if you're tired, if you're not feeling it, it kind of levels you up. It makes it gives you enthusiasm. It's like an exclamation point. So, like, if I go skiing, we'll take L. And you're just like, it's even better than your regular day of skiing because you're noticing the trees and you're outside and you're like, this is beautiful. And you appreciate nature. So it's like, really good for activities and it's really good for non activities. Like, I couldn't recommend more. I think that might be my favorite drug.

[Tana Mongeau]

I think it is in this, at least in this time of your life.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Tana Mongeau]

Because of how forward you are about it. Even the story in Mallorca of You giving it to the couple and them.

[Chelsea Handler]

I give, I've given a lot of this LSD away to people.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I don't get any bad reviews.

[Tana Mongeau]

Do you have any non negotiable, like I don't do this, I never will. Obviously. I assume like have you ever tried like hair?

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't think I've tried heroin.

[Tana Mongeau]

I feel the same way. I'm like, I think, I haven't, I don't get.

[Chelsea Handler]

But I'm not positive about anything I've done. Do you know what I mean?

[Tana Mongeau]

I agree.

[Chelsea Handler]

One, like if someone came forward and they were like, you did it with me, I'd be like, okay. But I mean I definitely didn't do it with anyone. Like if I tried it, it was because I didn't know I was having it. But I'm not into those kinds of drugs and I'm not into coke. Like that's not. That grosses me out at this point. Like I did that in my 20s and 30s and that was enough.

[Tana Mongeau]

Are you an oversharer on cocaine?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

Who is it? Yeah, I guess that's true.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean everybody overshares on cocaine. I mean people act like idiots.

[Tana Mongeau]

Some people I feel like can just like eat an invisible sandwich in the corner on, you know, like they will shut up and their jaws swinging and like, you know. But I just was like, do you want to hear about when I was seven? You know? And it's like no one does. Like I was so.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right, right, right. I definitely had many nights staying up with girlfriends in my closet doing and

[Tana Mongeau]

why is it always lovely?

[Chelsea Handler]

And just talking, talking, talking, not having any recollection about what we talked about. Just, just hot messes.

[Tana Mongeau]

That's good. So now, would you ever do it again?

[Chelsea Handler]

I wouldn't say I would never do anything because every time I say that something happens where I end up doing it. Like I've said I'll never get married. And I'm like, I'm not, not planning on getting married, but I probably will because I've never. I say I'm never going to do it. So I just don't say I'm never going to do anything I have no desire to do. But who knows, maybe if it's available and someone's doing a line and I'm

[Tana Mongeau]

like, yeah, we'd have to be in like Europe or the uk.

[Chelsea Handler]

I find that to be true of cigarettes and that's for Europe.

[Tana Mongeau]

I agree. I do feel like as you're saying like maybe I'll get married again or Whatever. Like it is interesting. It's so cool to see you in just something. So happy. I really like Cowboy Free.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, thank you. I was just talking to Cowboy on my way over. But. But you said married again, so I just want to make sure everyone knows I've never been married. I'm not.

[Tana Mongeau]

Oh, ever.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, no, I've never been married. How do I feel like you.

[Tana Mongeau]

I'm not saying there was some long lasting marriage there, but I assume there was a shotgun and then.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, no. Were you married to Jake Paul?

[Tana Mongeau]

And I ask myself that question every day too.

[Chelsea Handler]

I found that out when I said to Cowboy on the way over. I go, oh, do you know Tana? He was like. He goes, let me look her up. He goes, oh, was she married to Jake Paul?

[Tana Mongeau]

I would, I would write it off as fake.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, it sounded like you got married in Vegas and then got an annulment. Is that what happened?

[Tana Mongeau]

Well, no, no. We planned and planned this. Orchestrated. I think that was a time of my life where I was view attention like engagement eyes on me, happy. And I didn't care what cost. I had to get. Get it at. You know what I mean? We both. It was. We were scheming on attention.

[Chelsea Handler]

And you know, that's interesting for you to admit. I'm trying to think back of when I was acting like that. I'm sure there was a time I

[Tana Mongeau]

did really love him. Like, it was a very weird, interesting thing in that way where I think I got married, no pun intended, to this like fake idea.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right.

[Tana Mongeau]

With this person at the same time, which was just a whole mindset that ended up taking me years to like work through.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, really? Yeah. How long did you guys get married for?

[Tana Mongeau]

I don't know. I want to say the actual like online. Well, we were never married on paper. It was more just this. Let's make the world think that we are.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, I see. So you weren't married but like had

[Tana Mongeau]

a wedding and like did all of those things.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. Oh, wow. Yes.

[Tana Mongeau]

And live streamed it to the public, like, kill yourself.

[Chelsea Handler]

Wow yourself. Oh, that's embarrassing.

[Tana Mongeau]

It really. And I. It took me so long to work through that, you know, to just be like, what the hell happened there? And even now I still. I don't think I'll ever be able to fully put the pieces together on it. Oh, God.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's funny though, that you thought I was married in a shotgun wedding just because you had been.

[Tana Mongeau]

That is so true. I don't know. You're just. And I love that about you. Like you know, that's why I've always been so inspired by you, because you're wild and you do what you want to do and you never know what you're going to get from Chelsea in the best way.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I'm wild for sure. I'm a wild animal for sure.

[Tana Mongeau]

But I think that you are the testament to so many women like me that you can be wild and crazy, but you can also run a business and a tight ship and go achieve your dreams and win and make it out of circumstances that you were born into all by yourself and from being authentically yourself.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Tana Mongeau]

And it is, I always say, like, like if I can end up being a tenth of the woman that you are, in the end of my career, I will be so satisfied with myself. You are the number one inspo across this. I can't wait to start doing stand up. You're the number one in swell. It's funny, I always ask you for advice on that and you're kind of like, just do it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not big on giving advice about standup because it is so personal to each performer and it really is. Like everyone has such different styles of standup that the only advice you can give is just to get out there and get on stage. Like I'm about to go do two sets tonight at the Ice House in Pasadena. Not because I need to practice, just because it's a good muscle to flex. It's good to get out there and do your thing. Like I didn't for a long time do local spots. Cuz I'm always on tour and I'm on tour right now. So when I take a break or I have downtime, I like to have some downtime. But I don't have any downtime during this break anyway. I'm recording podcasts, my own, this, yours, Kimmel, blah, blah, blah. But I just think like, like when you're good at something, do it. Yeah. And to get good at something, you have to do it. So there isn't a lot of advice to give around that. It's just like anything you want to go after, like you're going to start getting results. It's like going to the gym. You know, as soon as you start going to the gym, you're going to start feeling better about your body. You're going to start getting stronger. I mean, my style of standup is, can be completely different than, you know, half of the people that are on stage tonight. Some people are telling stories Some people are just telling jokes. Some people. People are, like, pretending to be somebody that they're not or they have a Persona. And so I don't think there's a lot of advice to give other than get stage time.

[Tana Mongeau]

Do you feel like your style has evolved over time and are there things that you used to do, you know, in sets or on stage or ways you used to be, that you now no longer are, or you look back and you get the ick a little?

[Chelsea Handler]

Or you're like, oh, yeah, I always get the ick when I look back at my stuff. I mean, I can barely watch my own set now. I used to yell and scream and be a lot angrier. Like, that's a part of my personality that was, like, part of my stage presence and my real personality. It was like, something that I had to, like, you know, work through or grow outgrow, I guess. You know, I'm not angry. Like, I used to be. Like, when I was young and kind of, like, coming up, I was just, like, cursing all the time. And, you know, cursing is fine, but you don't need to overdo it. Or yelling. I don't like that. Or talking really, really fast. I do that a lot, you know, and so I'm mindful of that. But, yeah, like, you just refine, I think, as you age. And I took a long break from stand up for, like, six years. And, like, that really gave me pause because when I went back, I was scared of stand up. I was like, oh, God, what if my audience isn't there? And what if I'm not as good as I was when I left? And I was kind of tiptoeing around it because that's how I started my career. And I kind of wanted to get back in. And I, I, I didn't know why I had taken a break, but I, but I did at the end, I was like, oh, I just got freaked out by it. Like, I was like, you know, I. I wanted to be honest with myself. So I think you outgrow your bad qualities, like, or your qualities that don't work for you. You kind of shed them.

[Tana Mongeau]

That is, like. And obviously, I always loved your anger. I ate it up every time.

[Chelsea Handler]

I like when women are angry, too.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yes. So much. Where do you think yours derived from? Like, where do you think that it came from, from? Or were you born with it?

[Chelsea Handler]

I think I was very pissed about my brother dying and my father kind of, you know, that stuff. I think it was, like, delayed grief and anger at not being seen or Valued in the way that I valued or saw myself. Like, a lot of people suffer from not having enough confidence in themselves. I had so much confidence in myself that I couldn't believe other people didn't think so. Think. Think the same of me. So I was very frustrated. Like, I was like. I had, like, arrested, like, discovery syndrome, where I was like, doesn't everybody know how talented I am? Why can't everybody see it? You know, that kind of anger and kind of anger at people who didn't see things the way that I saw them, which is very solipsistic and not mature. Like, eventually you have to go. You have to get to a place where you understand that people are different and they don't see things the way you see them. And not everybody's going to handle the situation in the way that you want them to or the way that you. You would handle it, which is something I'm still dealing with. You know what I mean? Like, I still, like, when I look at someone handling mishandle something or I'm like, I wouldn't do it that way or I'm not doing that, you know? And it's like, it doesn't matter how you want to do it or what I think.

[Tana Mongeau]

I. Honestly, I. I went through a big phase of that recently, especially in going so where I think you start to, like, notice a lot of people just doing stupid more.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm.

[Tana Mongeau]

I was more aware in my own life, and I'm noticing the people I care about making so many mistakes or making mistakes I've made and learned from, but then not handling it the right way. Even. Even if I ever, like, become a parent and decide that I notice that, like, when people aren't doing something the way that I want them to do it and see for them, I resort to rage about it, you know? And what. Like, what helped you work through that?

[Chelsea Handler]

What helped?

[Tana Mongeau]

Therapy. Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

I had to go to therapy and find out that what I was angry about and what I thought I was angry about was not what I was angry about, you know, so therapy was really helpful. Like, I mean, it's just such a. Like, I mean, it's a trope, but it's a trope because. Because it's true. Like, it's very cliche. Like, I turned 40 and I went to therapy and I got really serious. I was like, all right, this is all I'm doing for two years so that I don't have to do this for 10 years. Like, I'm gonna get so good at this that I don't have to see this man for the rest of my life. Which is exactly how it turned out, you know? Cause eventually I got sick of him too. I was like, all right, that's enough. I got it. But it's like how I felt about skiing. I wanted to become a good skier, so I spent like two years skiing as many days in a row as a I could. And then I was like, okay, I got it. And now I'm good.

[Tana Mongeau]

You were even saying that today about the establishment of a pattern and following up and con, like continuously showing up, consistently showing up to a pattern, even if it's something you don't want to do.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. It's like working out. Like, the only reason I do that is because I know, like, I know the results are worth it. You know, I don't want to get up and work out every single day. Or I didn't start out that way. But you set a pattern and you're like, this is what a professional person is going to help have to do. Like, if I want to achieve, like, the level of like and maintain the level of lifestyle that I'm allowed to lead and pay for it and function and do all of the things I do, then I have to have my together to a certain degree. You know, I can't accomplish all this by just partying and doing drugs all the time.

[Tana Mongeau]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

You know, but I'm gonna try and do as much as I can and also accomplish this. Do you know what I mean? That's how I feel about life. Like I'm getting after it.

[Tana Mongeau]

Did you ever feel like that about writing? Like in all of the time times of writing your books, were you just inspired through and through across it, sitting there ready to write, or did you feel like you had to kind of show up consistently and force yourself?

[Chelsea Handler]

I guess at times there were times where I felt both things, where I felt bursts of creative energy and bursts of creativity. And then times.

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where you're just like, I have nothing to say. I have a huge book deal. I have a book due. What am I gonna do? How am I gonna say it? You know, is this a story? Is this a story? Should I make this up, or what am I gonna do here? I'd go on a trip to get a story. So I felt both. I felt both ends of that. I think something that I've learned is, like, there is a time to, like, plant, and then there's a time to, like, harvest. You know what I mean? And those two things are not always available. So, like, sometimes you just have to gather the information. Like, sometimes you're just. You're just not doing anything. You're not creating. You just are having a timeout.

[Tana Mongeau]

Chelsea Handler, I truly hope that this is the first of many times I get to see you on the Brand Safe podcast.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, my God. Anytime, baby. Any time.

[Tana Mongeau]

And I can't wait to just be sillier and stuff. Today was one of those ones, though, where, again, even across this podcast, just how inspired I am by you and your trajectory and your reinvention and all of the things that you've done. I want to. Wanted to sit down and have a conversation that would mean the most to me, to start on this new journey and this chapter of my life. And it's all downhill from here, quite frankly.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, it's not. You're an inspiration to so many people, and I love it. And I. I'm so happy to be here for your first podcast.

[Tana Mongeau]

I love you and I love you, and just thank you so much for all of the, like, pseudo, just, like, big sistering and looking out for me and checking in on me and inviting me to things where I'm sure you could have Jimmy Kimmel at the blackjack table in Vegas, but you're inviting me and my gay friends and taking care of them and just everything. You are so amazing. And, you guys, the last time I saw her before today was at the High and Mighty Tour, and It was one of the funniest, most incredible nights of my life. If you don't get your there, you're missing out. You're missing out.

[Chelsea Handler]

You can get tickets@chelsea handler.com I'm just about to announce or no, I just did announce a ton more dates. So we have lots of dates coming up. Find a city near you and come out for a good time.

[Tana Mongeau]

Baby and I will be at a few sneaking in through the back in a disguise, stalking her. So come hang out.

[Chelsea Handler]

There's no reason to wear a disguise. Yeah, you'll by the way, with how often you change your hair and all of your shit, you don't need a disguise because it's hard to recognize you. Every time I see you, you look completely different. I know. You're like eight shades darker than the last time I saw you. This is Rachel Dolezal, everybody.

[Tana Mongeau]

I've had a different skin tone literally every week this week and the that's going to be the scandal I'm apologizing for. Next week on the next episode of Brand Safe. Thank you, Chelsea Handler.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you.

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