Selena Gomez’s Makeup Artist Hung Vanngo Shares His Signature Eyeshadow Secrets, How-to Ace Wedding Day Glam and Are You Applying Eyeliner The Right Way?

Summary

Breaking Beauty Podcast – Episode Summary

Podcast: Breaking Beauty
Hosts: Jill Dunn & Carlene Higgins
Guest: Hung Vanngo (Celebrity Makeup Artist & Founder, Hung Vanngo Beauty)
Episode: Selena Gomez’s Makeup Artist Hung Vanngo Shares His Signature Eyeshadow Secrets, How-to Ace Wedding Day Glam and Are You Applying Eyeliner The Right Way?
Date: October 22, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jill and Carlene sit down with renowned makeup artist Hung Vanngo, whose signature looks have graced countless celebrities, most notably Selena Gomez. Hung discusses his inspiring journey from refugee to beauty industry powerhouse, shares the insider secrets behind his artistry—especially eyeshadow and eyeliner—and demystifies wedding day glam. The conversation also celebrates the launch of Hung Vanngo Beauty, his own makeup line focused on perfecting basics with approachable, high-quality products.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hung’s Journey: Refugee Roots to Runway Fame

• Early Life & Immigration ([09:37]–[11:26])
  • Hung recaps escaping Vietnam, living for three years in a Thai refugee camp, and arriving in Calgary in December 1990.
  • Quote: “We all sleep in the cement floor. We all share in a big house like this. There’s no privacy, nothing at all. … But I think the great thing that comes out from that, all the hardship in the refugee camp, is that I find that we do appreciate everything come after that.” – Hung [10:37]
• Beginnings in Beauty ([12:31]–[15:37])
  • Initially known as a hairdresser, Hung found his true passion in makeup after working in a Calgary salon with a small makeup station.
  • Describes overcoming language barriers, shyness, and breaking into freelancing and editorial work.

2. Climbing the Career Ladder

• Moving Across Cities & Borders ([16:30]–[19:42])

  • Outlines the challenges and sacrifices in moving from Calgary to Montreal, then Toronto, and finally New York after securing a working visa.
  • “A lot of time they have family, they have children, they have stuff like that. … I was single and I was so ambitious and I have no baggage.” – Hung [17:42]

• Early Breaks & Key Connections ([22:33]–[24:16])

  • Credits pivotal opportunities to figures like Harry Josh and Helena Christensen.
  • Emotional Moment: Hung becomes teary recalling the support he received: “I call them almost like my guardian angels. … I don’t know why I’m crying, but it’s a beautiful—just like you brought up the name. … So that’s all the support I get from that, how I started.” – Hung [23:54]

3. Career Philosophy: Sacrifice and Integrity

• Describes sacrifice as central to success, especially for immigrants pursuing an ambitious career.
  • “If you want to be driven, you always have to prepare for sacrifice big time. … For me, I always want to have career, I want to have a good balance. … I have to understand why I'm here for.” – Hung [25:00]

4. Building Hung Vanngo Beauty

• Launching the Line ([33:07]–[34:11])

  • Celebrates launching at Sephora with a focus on eyes—the area in which Hung is best known.
  • 60 products, including eight curated eyeshadow palettes with varying textures for approachable artistry.

• Eyeshadow Textures & Application Tips ([34:11]–[35:47])

  • Four textures: Classic satin, matte, metallic, and innovative 3D matte.
  • Tip: For beginners, 3D matte formula minimizes fallout and is easy to blend, especially for dark shades like black.
  • “If you don’t know anything about makeup and don’t have to worry about fallout … that was great.” – Hung [35:44]
  • Review: Palettes are user-friendly, color-coordinated, and pigmented enough for both pros and everyday users.

5. The Eyeliner Breakdown: Kohl vs. Gel ([37:37]–[39:13])

• Kohl Pencil: For blending, smudging, and smoky/sultry looks; more playtime but slightly less long-wear.

• Longwear Gel: For precise definition, works well for hooded eyes or oily skin; sets quickly (in 15 seconds), very long lasting.

  • “The gel liner ... you have about 15 seconds before [it] set. It doesn’t move.” – Hung [38:13]

• Inspired by the Marc Jacobs gel pencil, but improved for greater pigment, smoother texture, and longer playtime.

  • “If you love the Marc Jacobs gel pencil, you would love this one even more.” – Hung [39:24]

6. Signature Eye: Hung’s Two-Step Everyday Eye Recipe ([40:24]–[41:20])

• Smudge a gel or kohl pencil over the lid and waterline, then blend a lighter shade at the edges.
  • “You don’t have to go so complicated … the most really gorgeous. … You don’t have to do too many color in there.” – Hung [41:10]

7. Common Eye Makeup Mistakes ([42:19]–[43:34])

• Overloading brush with product (swirling too much), leading to mess and excess blending.
  • Quote: “If you hold the brush and you do like this—yeah, you screw. … You only just dab, dab a little bit. And that’s all the color you need.” – Hung [42:19]

8. Wedding Day Glam: What Makes It Timeless ([48:30]–[49:42])

• Advises against heavy makeup for weddings; aims for softness that will stay beautiful over decades.
• Important tip: When doing a wedding makeup trial, wear white to see truer results.
  • “Sometimes the most effortless makeup is always beautiful for wedding.” – Hung [49:29]
  • “The makeup color ... you need a lot more softer than you think it is.” – Hung [49:29]

9. Artist-Led Brands & Industry Favorites ([49:42]–[51:22])

• Hung praises peers, including Mario (eyeshadows, foundation), Mary Phillips (underpainting), Gucci Westman, Violette, Charlotte Tilbury, and Pat McGrath, highlighting their authenticity and intention.

10. Product Recommendations (Favorites & Hidden Gems)

• Hung’s Line: Bronzer ("Positivity") and kohl liner as "unsung heroes."
  • "The co liner is makeup artist favorites, you know, I mean, and a lot of time, like, it's the easiest liner to use." – Hung [47:41]
• Rare Beauty: Especially the new blush ("Hope") and powder highlighter ("Mesmerize").
  • "If you want ... my favorite blush come out in a long time, I'm not being biased at all, is the rare beauty blush." – Hung [51:28]
  • "The unsung hero product to me also is their powder highlighter. ... It's the one ... like this. It is so good. I think it's one of their best." – Hung [52:19]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Resilience:
  “You always have to prepare for sacrifice big time. … For me, like, I always want to have career. … I have to be a bit more mindful, be responsible and have to understand why I'm here for.” – Hung [25:00]

• On Makeup as Sanctuary:
  “I always describe makeup as my sanctuary…” – Hung [12:13]

• Emotional Reflection: “I call them almost like my guardian angels. ... I don't know why I'm crying, but it's just like you brought up the name.” – Hung (on Helena Christensen & Harry Josh) [23:54]

• On User-Friendly Design:
  “I lay out the eyeshadow, they somewhat like a map for you already. So it doesn't intimidate you that you look at the shadow palette and you say, 'Oh, I don't want to wear them.'” – Hung [36:52]

• On Color & Aging:
  “The older you are, the more color you lose your face, the more color you need to build back.” – Hung [45:51]

• On Timeless Wedding Makeup:
  “I want them to look back in 20 years. They will say, my makeup's still current or still beautiful.” – Hung [49:29]

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Timestamps for Segments

• Introduction & Background – [07:55]–[16:30]
• Journey to New York / Career Milestones – [16:30]–[24:16]
• Philosophy & Sacrifice – [24:52]–[27:07]
• Meeting Selena Gomez & Celebrity Work – [31:02]–[33:07]
• Hung Vanngo Beauty: Product Line Launch – [33:07]–[36:52]
• Eyeshadow Tips & Common Mistakes – [37:12]–[43:34]
• Holiday & Wedding Day Glam – [45:51]–[49:42]
• Other Artist-led Brands & Recommendations – [49:42]–[53:04]
• Product Steals & Final Thoughts – [53:04]–[54:11]

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Additional Product Tips

• How to Use Hung’s Eyeshadow Palettes:

  • Minimal colors create depth: Smudge liner on lid & lower lash, blend with a coordinating lighter shadow.
  • Don’t overload brushes: Dab, build as needed.

• Eyeliner How-To:

  • Kohl: Best for blending and smoked effects; forgiving for beginners.
  • Gel: Defined, sharp lines with quick set; perfect for oily or hooded eyes.

• Wedding Makeup:

  • Plan for softer, more neutral looks—avoid heavy-handedness, especially when wearing white.

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Conclusion

Hung Vanngo’s journey and artistry are a testament to resilience, adaptability, and innovation in beauty. His approach—combining high-level skills with products designed for real people—demystifies iconic looks and encourages playful, yet timeless, self-expression. His episode is a masterclass in practical artistry, emotional fortitude, and the continual evolution of beauty itself.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome to Breaking Beauty, the podcast all about the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty. We're your hosts, Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins.

[B]

Welcome back to Breaking Beauty, everyone, the podcast that's all about the breakthrough, people, products and and moments in beauty, hosted by yours truly, Jill Dunn. And I'm here alongside my co host, fellow magazine beauty editor, turned beauty podcaster, Carlene Higgins. Hey, Carlene.

[A]

Hello there. And today we have a full circle moment. If you are a beauty lover, chances are you've double tapped more than a few of Hung Van Gogh's looks without even knowing it. Especially if you're a Selena Gomez fan. Before Hung had 4 million Instagram followers and Selena's personal cell number, Hung was doing makeup for beauty editorials. And we were right there in the room. I was just a baby beauty editor at Flare, and Hung was the one everyone was fighting to book for their magazine shoots.

[B]

He was just so successful, like, right out of the gate. We're just so proud of Hung and he is just so impressive with his artistry, his skill, and frankly, just how hard he works the man. We're Facebook friends and I know it's just like every other day he's posting, I'm going from JFK to lax, LAX to London. London. It is phenomenal to see.

[A]

This year, he's celebrating the debut of a brand new makeup line, Hung Van Gogh Beauty, which just launched at Sephora in September. We actually reviewed one of his palettes in the Best of Fall episode because, Jill, you and I are both loving his eyeshadow palettes. He launched with a whopping eight of them because eyes are what he does so, so well. I think that's really. His signature is like a smoky eye, but it's always modern. There's always a shape to it. It always looks different. Just, he just nails it every time.

[B]

So incredibly skilled. And since we talked to Hung, which was just about a month ago now, he has been out and about. He did the Scarlett Johansson toasted makeup look for fall that I have saved. It is so stunning.

[C]

He.

[B]

He's worked with tons of incredible celebs at Paris Fashion Week, including like Penelope Cruz and that girl from that actress from Bridgerton. I can't Phoebe, I can't pronounce her last name. And it's just so current and so good. It's no wonder to me that all of these celebs, like, call him up.

[A]

And book him Current, not trendy.

[B]

Since we chatted with him, he also did Selena Gomez's Wedding makeup. Yeah, he's been busy.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And he really kept his lip zipped, let me tell you, because Jill was probing and trying to get that information. What did you discover? Because I know you sleuth this. What did he use from his own line on her wedding day? That's what I want to know.

[B]

Right? Yes. So of course he couldn't say anything leading up to the event, but the Hung Van Gogh beauty color story eyeshadow palette in new neutral was her eyeshadow, which is incredible. It is so good. I think that one's been flying off the shelves. He also used the Hung Van Gogh beauty soft focus blurring matte powder bronzer in the shade positivity. And I know that that is is going to be a sleeper hit as well.

[A]

Yep, yep. He teases that in this episode. I'm so excited for everybody to hear it. Hung talks to us about the real eye makeup tips that you can use, including how to fix the number one mistake most people make when trying to recreate his iconic looks, whether it's Selena Gomez or one of his other star clientele, which texture you should be reaching for and when, and the two product recipe for everyday eye definition.

[B]

And this is definitely an episode you'll want to watch on YouTube, which is at Breaking Beauty podcast. Please subscribe because when we are talking to experts like Hung, they can't help themselves. I say this all the time, but they are sort of like demoing even with their hand like and their motion and what they're doing. And he demos the different textures in his eyeshadow palette and things like that. So I think this is definitely a worthwhile one to watch.

[A]

Yeah. So check it out there. And before that, we reminisce a little bit, chatting with Hung about the moments that shaped him, his story. It actually got a little bit emotional, you know, his early childhood, it was not easy.

[B]

And.

[A]

And he kind of shares what it takes to become the major player that he has become in this current trend of artist led beauty brands. There's certainly a boom right now and he is at the center of it all. Yeah.

[B]

And I might I just add that his products are so sexy looking, this like gorgeous red pantone color. Like they look like they are a lot more expensive than they are. The eyeshadow palette I believe is US$49 and it's eight pans. So just he's elevating everything but making it accessible, which I really appreciate that he's kind of filling that niche.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

At Sephora.

[A]

So without further ado, welcome Hung Van.

[B]

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[A]

Welcome to Breaking Beauty Podcast. Hung, we are so excited to be reunited with you since we're all from Toronto, kind of came up from the same place. I remember I was working at Flare and you were doing shoots with my boss at the time, Juliet, and our fashion shoots. Like you were just always doing the covers and everything. So tell us if you have any like standout memories of your time doing editorial in Toronto before you had 4 million followers and Selena's cell number.

[C]

You know, I mean like I said like, I mean my career go like a long journey. It's never come like really fast. You know, I mean I go step by step. I always have a goal, but it was never like I have to get there. I say I'm gonna work to get there. And it always that the way it was. It is. And I never expecting too much.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you have to do hair as well when you worked in Toronto?

[C]

In Canada you have to do both hair and makeup. So I was basically. When I moved to New York, I completely pretend I don't know hair because I want. I want people, but I want people know I want to take. Take my serious makeup artist. So I acting dumb. I don't know anything about hair. So now they all know because I'm so always a little bit more like vocal a little bit about the look and everything. And the term I use to describe like what we should do with hair and makeup, you know. My opinion has always come in the right terms of a hairdresser. So you can't really hide it for so long.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're like, wait a minute, how did you know that? Well, let's go back a little bit further though. You emigrated from Vietnam as a child to Calgary.

[C]

I'm from Vietnam and we escaped Vietnam. We got to Thailand first.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And then we lived there for three years in the refugee camp. Then we was waiting for different countries to accept us. And then Canada is the. The one that allow us to come to the country to. We settled down. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Oh my gosh.

[B]

What a. What did you. Do you remember being in Calgary for the first time or were you too little?

[C]

No, we got there in. I remember exactly in December. Well, we got sponsored from a family there. We got there December of 1990 in Calgary. I remember the time it was really, really cold.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm. I'm a more a realist and my brother more like. My brother also came a little bit more romantic person even when we was very young and he was dreaming like. Like playing the snow and all these kind of things. But when we got there, like we just.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It was a shock to the system, I'm sure. And so three years in a refugee camp, what did that look like?

[C]

It is not an easy three year for sure. We all sleep in the cement floor. We all share in a big house like this. There's no privacy, nothing at all. Every day we line up for food. They feed our meal. And then you go home and cook and you know different things. We even cook. But I think the great thing that come out from that, all the hardship in the refugee camp is that I find that we do appreciate everything come after that. I think the personality that my, my brother and I and my sister, we all shape that everything we come after that it is become what we always had. You know, treat that with appreciation. We always say that this is the, the best giving thing that we get. So we always appreciate more from working from anything. So we always thankful appreciate it. So it give you a better perspective in life, you know.

[A]

Yeah. What does your brother do, I have to ask? Because you said he's a romantic.

[C]

So. My brother actually he's a professor university really in Calgary for many years. He is. If you talk like we came to Calgary very young but if you, if you talk to my brother without looking his face, you think like he's a native Canadian, you know what I mean? But for me, for some reason I'm an art person. So you see that language is never a thing for me. So as much I live in Canada for all my life, I still speak with a heavy accent, right? Yeah. So it's like for me because it's a more visual person than anything else. Yeah.

[B]

And he's an academic now.

[C]

He's, he's a professor university. Like he's, he's very, you know, like he's book smart. Yeah.

[A]

And so I've read that and I know your line which we're going to get into today, which is exciting, but you do a lot of storytelling through the line with the names of the products. One of the things I read is that you described makeup as your sanctuary. So when was the moment that that started to unfold for you?

[C]

Yeah. So the thing is that in Calgary I think a lot of people are gonna feel very related to me in that. You don't at the time, this is like over 20 years ago at the time. You don't even if like I was in high school and I was fascinated about fashion magazine. I love art and I look at Supermodel magazine. But you never thought like I'm gonna be a makeup artist because you don't really know many people working as a makeup artist, you know, I mean like working as a fashion makeup artist, I was basically want to work in that field. But I wasn't know if like is makeup is a thing. So I was like, I. I just know that there are people working in hair salon and then. And I was always gifted with those things as well, so I think I should become a hairdresser. And after high school, I went to hairdressing school there. And after hairdressing school, I work in the hair salon. In hairdressing school, we don't really learn makeup. I think they have a little makeup class for a few hours, something like that, but not much at all. And in the salon, the first salon I work, they have a makeup station. And at the time, I remember they have like Truco and Navita products. You know, Merle Norman at the time.

[A]

Does Aveda still have makeup?

[C]

Aveda Truco is also another one from Sebastian. Yeah, so they have. We had. They have. They sell the product and they have makeup station there. And I was an assistant at the time, so I have a lot of free time too. So basically, like, I was like, keep playing. I was like, oh, my God, this is really what I want to do. And I start playing with more makeup. But the, the. The blessing thing is that I was, I was very gifted with hair. And if you ask anyone in Calgary, they know me as a hairdresser. And in a very short time, I did really well, you know, and I won a lot of those hair contests in Canada and all this. And so I constantly doing hair. But then I always want to play with makeup. And then I do a little more research. And I know there's Marlin Agency there and then there people can actually do makeup. Because at the time I only do, like start doing makeup for wedding and graduation. I was like, no, I want to go to other direction a little more. And then I reach out to a local agency called Mo Models. They still around. And it was Kelly straight. And I was very shy at the time, like, you know, like broken English, very shy. And I reached out and I left a few messages and finally called me back and he make an appointment to see me for a haircut and. And he talked about, you know, like, supermodel and all this kind of thing. And I was like, all about that. And he was, oh, my God, this guy really like into that. So he basically kind of took me in and he was like, you know, book me, little photo shoot here and there. And slowly that's how it started. And more and more I love, you know, have a chance to do more makeup. I do local little advertising and shoot and show and then. And then that's how I just like, that's how I start doing more makeup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

By the way, Kelly street was responsible for scouting and sourcing some of the biggest supermodels in Trisha.

[C]

Helfer Hannah Mars.

[A]

A lot of people don't realize Canada has been such a hotbed for so many incredible models that. And we just remember at Flair it was all about getting the model before she went to New York because we knew that was going to happen. They were going to poach her and then we'd never see her again. Just like what happened with you when you. When you left.

[B]

But Parks was one of the big people that he discovered.

[C]

We have a friend I just have to know.

[A]

Really.

[C]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Calgary girl.

[C]

We start around the same time in the way in the business because that's when she. She start when she was actually 12 years old and I was basically new and then, you know, we work together and become very close friend. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, 12.

[B]

Yep. That was the industry definitely.

[C]

Yeah. It was young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But. And then. Yeah. And then Kelly basically and I went to New York for the first time and then I was. Just fell in love. I was. This is where I want to be. But if anyone from Canada know that you can't just move to the state.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You have to have a, you know, the legal working permit, all those things. So we do a little different route. They say maybe you move out of Calgary to a bigger city. But then right before I move out Calgary, I got an offer from a salon, a big salon in Montreal called Le Coupe. And they asked me to offer me to be queer director from the salon. I was very young, but they. They heard of me and they was like to train and do work in the salon there. And I took an offer. I was like, maybe this ticket for me to go there and to work freelance as well. But for a few months I couldn't get any work in Montreal for freelance work because the market is very tight and they're very like people kept. They work with the same team all the time. And then. So that's why I make a move to Toronto full time.

[A]

Tell us about the move to New York. When that happened, it was kind of Devil wears Prada days really.

[C]

Finally after three years in Toronto, I got my working visa. I literally moved right away, like a month after. And I keep making move like this. And I know a lot of people would want to do what I want to do. It doesn't mean they don't want to, but I don't think they can't. It's just because a lot of time they have family, they have children, they have stuff like that. I want to share this because I know a lot who are in the same boat with me and they want to do what I want to do. They want to move to New York, they want to do all these things. It just because I was single and I was so ambitious and I, I, I, I have no baggage. And I was like, I can do it, you know, I mean, so that's the easy part. But if, like, if it's someone who want to do the same and they don't have the, they have family stuff, it's going to be harder for them for sure. But that's why I moved right away after a month because I was like, I have nothing to lose. I have a very hard time. The, the, the part I mentioned Montreal earlier because it relates to what I'm going to tell you next. So basically when I was in Mantra Salon, the salon also assigned me for a young assistant and his name is Christopher Michael. So he was assisting me. But I don't think he's a Kev Art for hair. And he's really good at talking and he can talk your ear off and he can sell anything and he want to, he was assisting me doing hair and I was, I would talk to him. I was like, I don't think you should do hair because it's not your, you're not gifted for this. You know, I mean, I think like hair makeup is art and I think it doesn't matter how you, how much you practice. There's a, have a little jazzy, a little bit art on yourself.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

So I, I see him, I was like, I see the way he does it. You're not gonna.

[A]

Right?

[C]

So he actually, when I moved to Toronto, he actually moved to Toronto as well, right after me. And then at the time he was looking for a job and then he, I asked him, I said, you should be an agent. So and then at the time he went intern at the agency I with Javan. So, so, and then after that a friend of mine in New York who have a modeling agency and he did really well interning agency. He was amazing. And I would talk into her and she have a modeling agency and she talked to her and she was like, I'm looking for, you know, someone young and eager and stuff like that. So I did, I said, why don't you sponsor him over? So she did Christopher become. And I become like really close with like family, like brothers, you know, and an agency here called Kramer and Kramer. I like to name some of these people just because I always appreciate them. And the agent does work with a lot of Canadian clients. So he was like oh. So he worked with whole Renfrew. He worked with these people. So those are very good clients in Canada. So he took me in a smaller agency and all the booking go through them, so they still make money from me, and then they book me smaller and smaller. But then an agency, I. I want to go a little further because the agency is small and it's limited a thing that I can do. And it's for a person, for me, who I always want to branch out a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So it could be tricky for. For me. And as much I appreciate them, I still looking for a different representation.

[B]

You always got to be leveling up. That's what you're doing in this.

[C]

Like I said, I'm grateful.

[B]

No ready for the next step.

[C]

I work with them for a year, so I was ready for next step. And then.

[A]

And I'm just going to interrupt you for one second because what Hung is not saying, but from an outsider who would see his work, is that you're incredibly talented and you were back then. And so that's the desire, I think is part of it is like, you're really good, and it's just like you're not able to fully execute. So what people are really hearing is. Is what we're so used to in Canada is their big fish, small pond here. Small fish, big pond. Right. And it takes so long to. To build it up.

[C]

So I keep seeing the agency that I'm with right now, Like, I keep reaching out to them. And I met them actually four times and finally signed me. Basically. The agency is so big that they have a lot of makeup artists. So every morning I wake up. Doesn't matter I have a job or not. I wake up and I know there's always a phone. There's somewhere. Phone call somewhere.

[B]

The brushes are clean. Everyone, he's got a Subway ready to go.

[C]

And at the time, live in Chelsea. So they're central. So basically, like, make it happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The agency would call, like, run over here, back up or anything, like. And I. I actually slow. That's how I started.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And did you say the wall group? I'm so sorry I missed the wall group.

[A]

Yeah. You're still with the wall group?

[B]

Yeah. Incredible.

[A]

And it reminds me of Harry, Josh's story, who's been on our show too.

[B]

And I remember him and you guys worked together.

[C]

I'm gonna tell next stories.

[A]

Okay. Okay, More stories coming. But, yeah, I remember him telling the story of cutting hair in his apartment and sweeping hair and. And just trying to make it and Then along comes, you know, Giselle. He's cutting her hair.

[C]

So adding to what you said, I was actually with Harry Josh this morning. We worked this morning forward Roseburn, like one of my clients.

[B]

She's so funny and gorgeous.

[C]

Yeah. It was like a family union because I don't get to see them very often. So one of my considered, like big break in New York is that is basically was Helena Christensen at the time. She looking for a makeup artist to do. She worked with a new makeup artist and Christopher, the one I mentioned earlier, he was a junior agent at her agency at the time and he keeps suggesting me to her and then finally she said yes. So they booked me on a shoot for Numero Tokyo and Helena was a talent that she requested me for that. And Harry Josh was the hairdresser. So I call them almost like my guardian angels. Because after that shoot, Elena request me a lot of stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then Harry Josh is basically like wonderful. He's. Tell me about me too. He wants.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

So I think like, I don't know why I'm crying, but it's a beautiful. Just like you brought up the name. It's all like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Somewhat related together.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So basically like after that, that's when like from like I start working different people that Harry Josh because he. He always established here and so did Helena. And that's all the support I get from that. How I started.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, I love that story. I think it's so great that you were able to come to a place where you're at in your career now where it's you. You know, the strides that you've made. As you said, like coming from a refugee camp and through all of these channels and just keep going and going even though you're hitting all these walls. I think so many people can relate to that and now and.

[B]

But believing in yourself. Right.

[A]

And your. Exactly. Because it probably could have been so easy to just quit too. Right. And say, I'm going to go wrap it up.

[C]

I know there's a lot of artists or people that feel somewhat related to my story or like, they also like one thing. When you move to a new country and you want to be driven, you always have to prepare for sacrifice big time. Something that you have, something that people have to remember is that, you know, if you. You plan to go out every night in New York, you can. You can go party, you can go all these things. You can. You know, a lot of people always give me advice before that you should go out more because you're going to meet people this and this. I don't believe that. Yeah, I. I don't believe that the part you're still gonna have a normal life.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But you have to have sacrificed that part. You know, I mean, for me, like, I always want to have career. I want to have a good balance. So I'm always sacrificed that people can go out, but if I work the next day, I will not go out. You know, like, I'm always have to try to be a bit more mindful about more be responsible and have to understand why I'm here for what. What the reason I moved to New York for, you know.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. And I think too that, you know, when you get really close to your clients and we've interviewed a lot of people. We've have. We've had over 400 episodes now. And you hear. You hear it in people like Mario and people like Chris McMillan who have been on our show. And we. When we talked to Chris and we asked, like, what's the biggest regret in your career? And he's like, honestly not having kids. And he was, like, getting, you know, kind of emotional about it and very real about it. And I think it's like, it's very easy in this industry to just not take for granted. But it's like, have you on speed dial. That was like an expression we would use all the time. But it's that idea that you're always going to be there. Like, they. Somebody says you need to be here. You're there all the time, 24, seven years on years. And so I think to your point, it's like there are sacrifices too, right? Like certain things that you just can't do.

[C]

Save me.

[A]

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[C]

So basically Harry Josh also introduced me to Miranda Kerr. Oh yeah, who's, who's. We work together. We all work together for a long time. And Miranda, her managers always come on set when for big shoots. So they always see me how I work. They met me many times and they know the way I work. And then Selena is switching management. So she came to the same managing with Miranda Kerr.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So when they were looking for a new team for Selena and that's when they introduced. He was. I know someone for you.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So that's why he introduced me to Selena.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

That was over 12 years ago now.

[A]

Was Selena like a Disney star when you guys started or where was she at?

[C]

No, she was, she's. She. Not anymore. She started doing music already.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When was the moment it got sort of solidified where it was like you were going to be the one that she would.

[C]

I would never say. I mean Selena worked with other people as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I, I work a lot with Selena but I cannot say I'm the only one that works in there because I never discredit other makeup artists. But she work other people as well. But I work with her quite a bit. I think, I think one thing that in this business that people should understand that it's not just your makeup anymore, it is the whole packet that you sell it. So basically you could be a wonderful makeup artist, but you're not reliable. They can't work with you. You. Yeah, they are trustworthy or they, if they don't like your personality, they will not work with you.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

So it's not just the work alone. So especially when you work, you can get away that when you work on a fashion shoot because they've done the shoot, they leave, you know, I mean but when you work with celebrity, you, you go on tour with them, not on the press tour with them. You go on trip with them for work and you, you so close to them, you get ready for them in their hotel. So it's a very intimate environment. So they have to trust you.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

They have to feel your energy that compatible with them.

[A]

We need to talk about your line, your own self titled Makeup line. Congratulations.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. So proud of you. Where you've come to. And this is a full, full collection.

[C]

That's pretty much. Yeah.

[A]

How many pieces altogether?

[C]

About six, 60 pieces.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. I one thing. When I was looking through the press kit, right off the hop, I noticed the eight eyeshadow palettes. And this is one thing that I've always. I always think of you in eyes. I always like. You just do the most beautiful.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Eyes I snatched. Always thought of you that way. The color, they're snatched.

[B]

I need the lifting honey.

[A]

The color is the dimension, the shape, everything. So we need to get some of these tips for our listeners straight from you. So I'm actually wearing your palette today. It's the orange one. And I wondered if you could walk us through the four textures. So tell us, for someone who's not a professional, how do they know which texture to use when like, walk us through it.

[C]

So we have four different texture. So the first texture is classic satin finish. But this one, a bit more, you know, it's really beautiful. Soft touch. It's very gorgeous, and that's easy to use. And then the second texture is the matte. So this one, very velvety, doesn't have a lot of fallout. And the third texture we have is metallic. If you want a lot of shimmer, you want a little sparkles is a great texture for you. And also they've somewhat creamy that it doesn't have fallout much at all. And but in as much I call this collection is perfecting the basic. That's why I say but the four texture is still. Even if we say basic is still considered like an a newer texture. It's more like an innovation texture. It's called 3D Matte. So it's not a cream, it's not a matte. You feel them. It's a little soft. It's like a soft touch, and it's more like a. And then you apply it finish like a matte texture. You can use the finger, use the brush, but you if so easy to blend. Like for someone. This one I do is for someone who the. The way I lay out and the texture is for someone who don't know anything makeup and don't. Don't have to worry about fallout. And even on the other palette, I was trying to do, like, for example, like black eyeshadow is the one of the hardest eyeshadow that you apply for makeup because you can have fallout, you can mess everywhere. So I purposely did those shade in the 3D texture because it just stick to the eye. It doesn't just fall off.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[C]

So, so texture like that was great.

[A]

A bit more creamy.

[C]

Yeah, it's like a cream. But it's not a cream because it's not wet like that. Yeah, but it just feel like a little moist like in that. But, but it's, it's, it's applied like a, a powder. It's. But it doesn't have fallout.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that's the, that in the texture and the way we laid out. Even if you say orange coral, but it's still very approachable. It's still.

[A]

Yeah, I'm wearing it right now.

[C]

It's not intimidating that you don't want to wear them.

[A]

Yeah, the staying power is really great on these. I've. I've also been using them on my hand as I experiment and play and then I try to wash it off with certain cleansers and I'm like, oh, it's just gonna stay there for a while.

[C]

It does, it happens.

[A]

That's great.

[C]

Yeah, we do quite long lasting everything. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

They're very pigmented, right? Yeah.

[C]

Because the thing when I design all these products, even if you can see the neutral, this is the most popular one. People like, like this one is.

[B]

This is going to be gangbusters, I think.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. People everyone love this palette. But the thing is that for me is that even if I design these palettes as a makeup artist, but I'm always have to think a consumer as well.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

You know, I came from a hair salon background, so I understand like, I understand like I want people to able to use at home and not complicated. Even I lay out the eyeshadow. They somewhat like a map for you already. So it doesn't intimidate you that you look at the shadow palette and you say, oh, I don't want to wear them. Them. Yeah, you know, they still want to, to, to try the product, you know.

[A]

Yeah, I like that they're closely related. I also like that you have a warm neutral palette rather than just a neutral palette. Because I enjoy warm tones on my very pink skin. So I cannot wait to try that one. So I want to ask about these two eyeliners, eyeliner for dummies kind of thing. Because I think it is a little bit confusing with kohl. And the long wear is the long wear a gel.

[C]

Longwear gel. So the long way. The gel liner. So basically like what do you use when.

[A]

Tell me that.

[C]

So basically the co Pencil.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You have unlimited playtime.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So this is like for people who love to blend, love to smudge.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cold pencil is for you.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

It doesn't have the same power. It still lasts you all day.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But it doesn't have. You like staying power like that. So a lot of people love that. If you want to look the air more, the eye more sultry, smudgy, long. The cold pencil, you can use that to create a look.

[A]

Right.

[C]

For gel liner is you still can blend. But because it's a long wear liner, so you have about 15 to 1 second before it's gonna set. You won't able to blend that fast. The long way liner. So basically you do this side, you blend whatever you want. You have about 15 seconds before set. It doesn't move. Yeah. So a lot of people who have hooded eyes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or people who doesn't want. Who wear glass like you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or who have oily skin, all those things they love long wear.

[A]

Right. Because it's more defining.

[C]

It's. Yeah. More defining, but it's more long lasting. No matching, you know, I mean you can smudge, but then it doesn't. Yeah.

[A]

So you've got to go quickly. If you're gonna smudge it, you go fast. But it is good for lining as well. Right. Whereas the coal is gonna smudge regardless.

[C]

Yes. But alcohol, even if called it still have pretty good stay.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[C]

Yeah. I purposely did that so quite pigmented. It's quite a good staying power.

[A]

Can you line your water line?

[C]

Yes, you can.

[A]

The gel one, is that the one.

[C]

They all say they've all for eye. You can do anything with the eye.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you remember the Marc Jacobs gel pencil?

[C]

This if. If you, if you love the market cap gel pencil, you would love this one even more.

[A]

Okay. Why do you say that?

[C]

Because Marc Jacobs. I will used to be ambassador for Marc. I know. And it was. It was basically. Basically it was their number one bestseller and it would just continue the brand. And for me, I always love that. I hear all the time like people was like crazy that losing it. But for me, because like I say earlier, my collection is basically perfect in the basics. So I think to myself, I say those are such beautiful eyeliner. The only thing that I was correct in them was I wanted to be more pigmented.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I want the play time a little longer and the color and the pencil is run a little bit more smoother. So that's why we achieved with this liner. So it was inspired. I will be very transparent. I was very inspired by that. So I was like If I do that could be an elevated version of that, right? Yeah.

[A]

Plus that one is. Is dead and buried now. So it's fair.

[B]

How do you. Because a lot of people see eight pans of eyeshadow and they think, oh my God, where do I apply what and when? So can you give us like a two step, like your recipe for doing a good looking eye. But that's not going to take a lot of time.

[C]

What the thing is that like for me, the a lot of things that they have to use too many eyeshadow palette, too many color to achieve a smoky eye. For me, it's the easiest you can use, whether a gel or a cold pencil. Smudge it all over here. Just do the waterline, leave it on the bottom. Just naturally smudge and just you one color all around on the face here. And the second color a little lighter to blend the edge it out and you get a beautiful smoky eye.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So you don't have to go so complicated. You have to do too many steps because that's the most really gorgeous. You don't have to do too many color in there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, and the way I lay out is that like, like the color is somewhat complement each other. So even if you pick whatever color, it still go without a color. I'm not. I didn't choose the color that it was so off.

[A]

Right, right.

[C]

That's why I play everything in the color family palette.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because if you go and if the consumer go buy palettes and all of a sudden all the neutral and there's a red color and they was like, what I'm gonna do with that? They wouldn't know how to do that.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So that's why everything I would do very color coded. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Because even like a makeup artist that messaged me say hungry. This is exactly how I depot all the eyeshadow.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Put in the palette.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

So you do the work for us already.

[A]

Right.

[C]

It is in. You know, I mean, like, that's all.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If you get this eyeshadow pad, that's all really you need on the makeup kit, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, I love that. Where would you say that people are going wrong when they're trying to create like a Selena eye or using a palette like this? Are they. Where are they over blending or under blending? You must be kind of studying this now that you're a brand founder.

[C]

The common mistake in my opinion is people use the product too rough. For example, doesn't matter. My eyeshadow or any eyeshadow palette. If you hold the brush and you do like this. Yeah, you screw.

[B]

You're like swirling in the pan.

[A]

You've already got it wrong.

[C]

It is because you're going to get so much product on the brush. You don't need that much. And then when you put on here, it's too much and you all spend all the time to blend it out. So there's words. That's why I have a YouTube channel. I do real time. I don't cut. I do step by step. I say every single video, you only just dab, dab a little bit. And that's all the color you need. And you, you do this and if you need more, you add more.

[A]

Right?

[C]

I see this all the time like this. And they do on the blush, on the bronzer, it's the worst because that thing is that you just do dab, dab and you got the product enough the product. You don't realize that all you need for the color. But if you do so much in here and you put in here a bit too much and you try to wipe it off and it start falling off and it was. That's how that's. They got it wrong.

[B]

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[C]

I would love people to play with colors a little bit because in the past few years we really go with the neutral and I love neutral. I love, I think it's so sexy and sultry. But people don't realize that a little color is keeps so much life on the face. You know what I mean? And I'm sure people hear that all the time. The older we are, the more color you lose on the face. We will think like, okay, I'm older now, I can't use color, I have to use neutral. I think that's the, that's a, I don't say a mistake. But that's the wrong thinking because the older you are, the more color you lose your face, the more color you need to build back. I've learned a lot from my client as well. You know, like for example, I give you example like Helena always teach me is that doesn't matter how dark her eyeshadow, her eye, smokey eye is the waterline should always warm brown because I make her eye color better, don't we black because close the eye and she's right. So that's why like the liner, I have a warm brown liner in my, my, my, my line as well. And then for example, like Julian Moore who is older, she always, you see how she have quite a lot of pink blush and she always have a little color on the lips and she looks so beautiful and youthful. Those things I've learned from the client teach me as well. We say, you know, give me some color back in there. You know, I mean and it makes sense. People only think because I'm older, I can go just like very muted here. And you lose a lot of color already.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And you don't want to make it look more dowdy that way.

[A]

Yeah, you lose. You lose the definition and the color.

[B]

So that's. That's a good tip. What's your favorite product in your line that you're like, you can't stop using it.

[C]

It's hard for me. You can't pick a favorite child. So it's really hard to me. But. But I think I. I think our unsung heroes from our brand would be the bronzer and the coal liner.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because the co liner is makeup artist favorites, you know, I mean, and a lot of time, like, it's the easiest liner to use.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I only have three shade for now, but it's a beautiful formula. Like, I. I just love it. And also the bronzer, a bronzer is really nice. And it's the go back and forth, the laugh for the pressing and make sure everything, like, not too dusty. And the shade that we chose, even it's only six shade in the range, but it's just beautiful shade.

[B]

Yeah. Now, I noticed recently you did a magazine cover with Benny and with Selena, and we've seen her maybe out on her bachelorette trip and stuff, so. Have you ever thought about what Selena's wedding makeup might be like? Have you ever. I don't know. Good answer. Have you ever thought of it, though, in your own vision board?

[C]

I think Selena is gorgeous. Whether she wear a lot of makeup, lit makeup, she can't go wrong with that. You know, I mean, but for me, I. I would like people to do more in the softer side. I. Some sometimes like us as makeup artists, we always do what the client before as well. At the end of the day, the client always. Right. You have to do what they wish for. But. So it's really hard to push back. But I think I want people to, when they have their makeup, I want them to look back in 20 years. They will say, my makeup's still current or still beautiful. And sometimes the most effortless makeup is always beautiful for wedding. And another thing that people always forget, like when you go for makeup trial, you always wear an outfit of something, so you cannot judge that because on your wedding day, you used to wear white.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So the makeup color is. You need a lot more softer than you think it is.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know what I mean? Like, you can wear a black outfit. You go for fitted, you do makeup. So anything still look light to you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

But if you wear a white dress and the makeup, so you have to think that people totally forgot that, you know.

[A]

Yeah. You got to wear white to your trial. Yeah. We've noticed that there's so many artist led brands that are coming out this year. It's just really booming, which is great. If you're an artist. Is there like a brand or a product you want to shout out from like one of your peers that you really love?

[C]

I think, I think I love makeup artist. Right. I love like Mario. He have great eyeshadows. I think those matte palette was great. Yeah. And they have great foundation too. Mary just came out. I mean, those under painting, I think. Wonderful.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think if you a makeup lover and you want to do all different things to contour sculpting, I think it's a great, great way to play. And then the, the formulation is so easy to blend, so it's really nice.

[A]

That's the Mary Phillips.

[C]

Yeah, Mary Phillips.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Gucci Westman have beautiful blush, good to contour. I mean, she have great product. Violet have beautiful colors. I mean, she's great with color as well. And if you want long wear, it's great as well. It's my French. I mean, she have beautiful. And if you want more diamonds, that soft, more glossy skin, editorial look, she's a great person for that. Charlotte Tilbury, the legend. I mean, she have amazing products. Ty McGrath have amazing color. There's a lot people.

[A]

So, yeah, everybody brings their own little touch.

[C]

I think like the quality of the product that we come out is we not just come out the product for any reason. You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, very intentional.

[C]

Yeah, we intentional thing that we always dream that we want to do because we have a vision we want to do. It's not just like, like we have the money and do it. We don't. You know, I mean. Yeah, it's just we do it because we really have something to contribute to the beauty industry. That's what we want to do.

[B]

Well, I. I'm wearing rare eyeshadow today. I will be putting your gel longwear liner on as well.

[C]

And to be honest, if you want the. My favorite blush come out in a long time, I'm not being biased at all, is the rare beauty blush. The new one, they have amazing liquid flat. But the new blush in the one like this is more like the mushy one.

[B]

It has like a bounce back.

[C]

Yes, they are. It's my absolutely favorite blush in the market.

[A]

Really?

[B]

What color? Which one specifically?

[C]

I think a lot would like hope because it's called hope because it's a happy and hope. No shade is really suit everyone. But they have incredible shades as well. It's very different than what you imagine rare because they have a lot of amazing artistry color as well. Well. And I really love it. And a lot of. I think the unsung hero product to me also is their powder highlighter.

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Oh, really?

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You're surprised?

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I am.

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It's the one on the little. Like this.

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Yes.

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It is so good. I think it's one of their best. Yeah, it is like a bake formula like this. And it was like you just dab like this. And even it is really good. Put moisturizer and you put in a body too, if you want. If you want very, very natural. You can. And you can do really popping. You can as well.

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Okay.

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And my favorite shade is I call mesmerize. That's Selena shade. Oh, we use on her.

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Who knows? Maybe it'll get used on a big day.

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Yeah. We don't know.

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Literally. I'm not being biased at all because I. I know the audience gonna kill me. I don't.

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I don't.

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I recommend something. It's not worth it. But for me, like, they have amazing product, but those two are my favorites.

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Okay.

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Like, we wanted the eyebrow gel is the.

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Yes.

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It's like, it's. It's. If you want a strong eyebrow gel, it is good.

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Their products are really good. They really, really are.

[A]

What does she steal from you now? So this is what you would steal from her kit? What is her.

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I don't know. I have to bring my kit back to Selena. So she. She saw them already? Yeah, but I haven't give her anything yet.

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Okay. So we don't know the favorite.

[C]

I didn't send to her. I want to see her.

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Has she worn somewhere without her even knowing wearing like is it on a red carpet or something?

[C]

Why are you doing this to me?

[B]

That's a. That's a. That's a yes. But we will never know. It's all. You'll be revealed to be revealed. I'm sure.

[A]

Another artist secret.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, exactly. He knows what's up. Well, Hong, congratulations on everything. This was a thrill to talk to you and we're so happy for you. Love everything. And you can see all of the care and incredible artistry you've put into these products.

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So thank you so much.

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We thank everyone.

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So love to see you guys again. And thanks for having me.

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