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The Biggest Celeb Transformations of 2024: The $400,000 Facelift, Lie Detectors On Blast and How Ozempic is Changing Everything with Dana Omari-Harrell AKA @IGFamousByDana
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Carlene Higgins
The following podcast is a Dear Media.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Production.
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Jill Dunn
Welcome to Breaking Beauty the podcast.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
All about the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty.
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Jill Dunn
We're your hosts Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins. Welcome back to Breaking Beauty Podcast, everyone. I'm one of your co hosts, Jill Dunn, and I'm here alongside Carlene Higgins. Hey Carlene.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Hey Jill.
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Jill Dunn
Of course, if you're a longtime listener by now you know that we are two longtime magazine beauty editors turned beauty podcasters. If this is your first show, welcome in. And Carlene, why don't you tell them what we normally serve up every Wednesday?
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yes, we are talking about the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty. So we interview founders of skin care brands, makeup brands, you name it. We also speak to the glam makers who help get celebrities ready for the red carpet. So people like Jen Atkin, makeup by Mario. We've spoken to influencers and celebrities like Hailey Bieber. And we also have Damn goods episodes once a month where you and I, Jill, we review the latest products in the market and tell you whether it's hashtag damn good or not.
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Jill Dunn
Yes. And of course we're always talking about trends, keeping our fingers on the pulse. And so I love to speak to people like our guest today and that is Dana Omari Harrell, aka @IG famous by Dana. Now she is one of my favorite people to follow on Instagram because she's really all about truth telling when it comes to cosmetic enhancements, cosmetic surgeries and sort of pulling back the curtain, I would say on a lot of celebrities who in her words, allegedly a lot of times have had work done when I talk to My friends about celebrities and how they look. I always say money is the best moisturizer. And I think Dana would agree with that sentiment.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I think a lot of people will be familiar with IG famous by Dana on Instagram or tick tock because it's a lot of people's guilty pleasure. This is, you know, this is the content that people are dming each other and, you know, engaging in and passing to one another, Even though you might not feel like it's exactly the right thing or PC in this day and age, but it's the reality people want to know, like, for good and for bad. Right. It's like, I want to know inspiration if I'm thinking about getting a mini facelift of who's got the good work and what I want to avoid. But I think on the other hand, it's also like, you just kind of want to. To know. I don't know if it's like, it's almost like a psychological thing. Like, somehow you feel better knowing that, you know, all these people who you idolize every day in Hollywood, that they have had help, that they weren't just, like, born this way. And so, you know, it. I think in a way, it makes us feel better about ourselves that, you know, everybody's clamoring over their looks, but it's not real.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah. And there's just been a proliferation of transformations because I'm gonna say the word semiglutides, Ozempics, WeGov, Mounjaro's. Like, we can't deny that this is happening all around us, and it started in Hollywood, you know, and so I really appreciate Dana's perspective. And, of course, Dana, she currently resides in Houston, and she has spent the bulk of her professional career working in hospitals, med spas, and plastic surgery clinics. And she also has a master's in biochemistry, and she's a consultant and content creator specializing in plastic surgery, esthetics, and pop culture. And, you know, everything is served up with a side of sass. Her own words. And I really think this is very funny about Dana. She calls herself a dink wad, which is double income, no kids, with a dog.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Oh, my gosh. Well, I was. I was just so grateful that Dana flew out to us to L. A. To meet up with us specifically to do this interview face to face in our studio. That was just so lovely. And you just have such a better quality conversation when you're face to face. But what I admire about Dana, I would say, is that she is ballsy, she is bold. She will Call it like she sees it, but she's also very careful to not be negative in her comments. And we're going to talk about that in today's episode is we do ask about how do we feel about commenting on people's bodies and faces. That's something that we dig into because it, it is something that we like. I myself, I can say I struggle with, like, should I even be talking about this or not? But on the other hand, it's like, if I'm talking about it in backdoor dms, then I've got to be honest about that. I've got to be authentic and, and, and keep the conversation going. Why are we doing this? Why are we obsessed with this as opposed to like hiding it? I actually, I don't like that when, you know, when people are kind of like too like double sided in that way.
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Jill Dunn
And I think that these conversations are happening all around us. So in today's episode, we're going to go deep on the year celebrity before and afters who Dana thinks has had the most dramatic transformation of and who has had a transformation that maybe we don't even realize they've had one. The work is that that good? We're also going to talk to her a lot about Ozempic semaglutide, what that means and what the spinoff effect is in plastic surgery and in med spas. And we're also going to speak to her about if there's any sort of behind the scenes cease and desist where people might have come for Dana with her commentary. And her answer surprised me, let me tell you.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, exactly. She's also going to talk about what happened when she posted about Taylo Taylor Swift's alleged potential transformation.
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Jill Dunn
She's also going to reveal which celebrities have slid into her DMS for a surgeon recommendation. Plus, we're looking ahead to 2025 and we get Dana to bring out her crystal ball to see what treatments and what maybe surgeries will be prevalent next year. And friendly PSA that there is discussion in this episode about weight loss as well as conversations around body image. So just wanted to flag that in advance. So here she is. Welcome Dana, AKA IG Famous by Dana First Aid Beauty is supporting our show this week. Okay, it happened, everybody. Last week I had to dig out my winter coat. You know, winter is coming and that's always a sure sign for me that I need to step up my moisturizing routine, especially right when I get out of the bath or shower. And I want to share with you a staple that I've been using for years. And that's First Aid Beauties Ultra Repair Cream. It's powered by barrier building colloidal oatmeal. It hydrates to repair the skin surface two times faster and it can really transform your dry and scaly and damaged skin into visibly stronger and healthier skin in just seven days. And I love the fact that it has this whipped texture. I love that it massages in right away and I can get dressed immediately sort of after the shower. I'm not waiting for something to sink in and it honestly feels like a dupe for something that's much more expensive. So we know that you'll love First Aid Beauty's Ultra Repair Cream as much as we do. Order some today and you can pick up a few extra for holiday gifts. Such a great stocking stuffer and it works for every skin type. And we've got a great deal for you too. Order through our exclusive URL to get 20% off your first purchase. Go now to first aid beauty.com beauty and use our promo code beauty. That's first aid beauty.com beauty don't wait. Get 20% off now with promo code beauty@firstaidbeauty.com beauty.
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Peyton Sartin
Hi everyone. I'm Peyton Sartin, host of the Note to Self podcast. Note to Self is a space to embrace your unique qualities, get grounded, and ultimately have honest conversation. No topic is off limits. I began doing social media seven years ago and since then I've started a clothing line. And this podcast, Note to Self, is a place where people from every stage of life can come for advice, new perspectives, and to feel a little less alone. Whether I'm recording by myself or bringing along a friend, we will explore topics ranging from relationships and mental wellness to social media and entrepreneurship. Tune in to Note to Self every week for the sisterly advice you didn't know you needed and raw conversations you've always wanted.
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Jill Dunn
Welcome to Breaking Beauty Podcast. Dana, I'm so excited that you're here. First of all, thank you for joining us.
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Carlene Higgins
I'm so excited to be here.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
All the way from Houston, baby Houston.
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Jill Dunn
My master shirt with your your tank top. So your Instagram handle is at ig Famous by Dana and you yourself have become famous for documenting celebrity alle blepharoplasties, breast implants, Brazilian butt lifts. So how did this all get started for you?
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, so actually my background is in biochemistry and I'm a registered dietitian. I was working in med spas and they just realized I had a really good ability to talk to patients and understand what they were asking for and explaining procedures to them. And that's how I got started.
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Jill Dunn
Okay.
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Carlene Higgins
And then I realized a lot of people don't know anything about procedures. And part of it was misinformation, celebrities not telling the truth. And so it was really for me to unload some of that, like, snarkiness that I couldn't say to the patient.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, perfect outlet.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I think people love your content so much because you're spilling the tea.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
But there also probably are people who are going to jump into your comments and say, like, why are we commenting on other people's bodies or faces or whatever? How do you respond to that?
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Carlene Higgins
So, first of all, I want to say I try my best to always have positive or neutral language only. Even if it's a transformation I'm not into or it's not my style. I avoid an anything negative. And I try to stick to this is what they looked like before. This is how it can be changed to look like this. So I come at it from an educational perspective. It is not to embarrass or humiliate anyone by any means.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, yeah, I love that. And I mean, like, ultimately you're a fan of cosmetic enhancements, right?
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Carlene Higgins
Like, I talk about my own.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, like, because, yeah, it's not here to, like, shame anybody. You're just like, this is more transparency around it.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
So today we're going to be looking back at the year in celebrity transformations. What do you think really defined the types of transformations that we saw this year? Was there, I don't want to use the word trend, but was there a commonality that you noticed?
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, so I was actually talking about this all last year and then I made the predictions for 2024. And part of it is because of semaglutide, like people losing weight. We're seeing people reduce, like their breast size. So if they had implants, they're going smaller. If they're getting implants for the first time, they're not going as big or they might just do fat transfer, things like that. And the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, they put out a report every year about the previous year and this year when they put it out about 2023, they said they called it the ballet body. So people are going for more natural looking enhancement, but still more enhancement this year and last year than previous years. And so that's, I think 2024 is like more natural looking work filler, but less filler earlier facelifts. We're seeing people in their 30s getting facelifts for like the first time in general that it's been like a big movement. And I think that's going to keep going into 2025.
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Jill Dunn
Wow. Wow. And what do you think about GLP1 medications? Like, how big is this?
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Carlene Higgins
I don't even know. It is absolutely massive. So I started.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Is it like Botox massive?
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Carlene Higgins
Yes. Bigger. Bigger. I think bigger. So I started in 2022. In 2021 it was approved. Semaglutide was approved for weight loss. So before that was just a diabetic medication. People still say it's diabetic medication. It's also for weight loss. I'm a dietitian, so I got the report June 2021. I'll never forget. And then 2022, I started exact Covid weight. And it's been a life changer for me. I've always been about the size before, except for during COVID I was always thinking about the next meal, like, what am I going to eat next? Or like, I want a little snack. And even now that I'm off of it, I don thoughts anymore.
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Jill Dunn
Interesting.
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Carlene Higgins
Literally amazing.
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Jill Dunn
So we have that food noise people talk about. Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
In the effects last, even getting off of it. Not that everyone should get off of it. Some people need to stay in 2023. I said they're going to come out with red, a true tide. And that's coming out in 2025. So it's only going to. I don't know. This monster wave is just. It's still going. We're not even at peak yet.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
So what is that?
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Carlene Higgins
It's going to hit on three agonists. So it's. It's a GLP one, a gip. And I think it's going to be on glucocon receptors. So it's going to be Mounjaro plus.
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Jill Dunn
So if people are listening and they're still not on, they're still not understanding how GLP1 medication works. You've been on it. So what's your personal experience? Like, how do you explain it in like 30 seconds?
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Carlene Higgins
Okay. I also have videos about it too, that go into it. Basically, it makes you feel less hungry, but also works in your brain to reduce cravings. And that's the biggest thing for it. So people are even seeing that they're smoking less, they're drinking less. Other habits like nail biting, binge eating, things like that separate from just interesting.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Snacking. Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
They're saying that it's going to have huge implications potentially for curbing drinking.
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Carlene Higgins
I would like to see it specifically with drug use, like, you know, opioid use coming from Tennessee. Like, I think that would be an amazing innovation. Yeah. Work with it.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Never even thought of that. There's going to be some negative side effects. Nothing is.
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Carlene Higgins
Every medication has.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Exactly.
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Carlene Higgins
But, you know. Yeah, no, definitely talk to your doctor. Some people have worse side effects than others. I didn't. I had nausea just on shot days. The first couple days were bad, but then after that, and then I had constipation for a couple of weeks that resolved, and then it was fine.
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Jill Dunn
Right, okay, interesting. And so the one that you predict will be kind of popping off next year, it's similar in mechanism or it's. It's just targeting three different.
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Carlene Higgins
It. So basically, semaglutide, Axon one receptor.
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Jill Dunn
I see.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah. And then Mounjaro or tirzeptide two. This one's gonna hit on three. So it's gonna be even stronger than Mounjaro. And they're predicting fewer side effects. I mean, that's what we're seeing in the studies. And it's gonna be set to release 2025 by Eli Lilly, the makers of Mounjaro.
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Jill Dunn
Can we just get a pill already?
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Carlene Higgins
We do have a pill.
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Jill Dunn
Oh, what is that one?
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Carlene Higgins
It's semaglutide. It's called. It starts with an art. Rybelsis.
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Jill Dunn
Oh, okay. I always see TV commercials for that.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Daily, though.
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Jill Dunn
Okay. Interesting, interesting. Oh, right. Yeah. I gotta set your iPhone alarm to. To take it. Is that the one you mentioned with the Z? Is that zepbound? Is that what it's called?
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Carlene Higgins
As Moonjara Zeppelin.
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Jill Dunn
So, yeah, there's lots of news coming because apparently 1 in 8Americans, or more than 15 million people, have taken semi semaglutide, which is really astonishing. And in contrast, according to the American Society of Plastic surgeons, there were 9 million people doing neuromodulator injections in the US last year.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
So more like Botox.
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Jill Dunn
Way more. Like, way more.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
And because if you think about the 9 million injections, that could be like 3 million people getting it done three times in one year.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Jill Dunn
So it's pretty. So in short, way more people are taking semi glutide. So what do you. What do you kind of make of that?
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Carlene Higgins
But I mean, as a dietitian, like, it's helping people with their lab, so they're being able to control their diabetes better. We're seeing amazing things for their cholesterol, so overall health effects are amazing. And then, of course, there's the weight loss aspect, which is what I think a lot of people are on it for, but.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, the impact it will have on young girls, you know, that remains to be seen. What are some of the spinoff cosmetic treatments we're seeing as a result of, of, you know, using these types of drugs en masse?
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Carlene Higgins
Well, kind of like with the ballet body, we are seeing people like reduce things. So, for example, if they had a lot more filler in their face when they're a little fuller, when they're a lot smaller, it can look like they have too much. And so we're seeing people dissolve that or replacing things. Breast replacement, breast augmentation replacement, or just even just removing their implants and then it. Depending. So people always go, oh, you're gonna have excess skin if you lose weight? Not necessarily. Depends on your age or genetics and how much weight you lose. But some of these people are losing like a hundred pound. And so we're seeing a lot of, like, more, you know, skin reduction and tummy tucks and things like that.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, for sure.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah. And what do you, as a registered dietitian yourself, what do you make of this whole booming category of wellness supplement brands cropping up to specifically address the side effects of taking ozempic or semi glutides, like nausea, muscle loss? The so well brand is one that I've seen and founded by a physician. And it's like supplements that you take. But, like, do we really need these? What do you think?
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Carlene Higgins
So when I would talk to patients about supplements, I. I'm always saying it's just to bridge that gap in nutrition because you're never going to eat everything that you need. Obviously, when you're on semaglutide or a GLP1 agonist, you're eating a lot less than you need. So I definitely recommend like a multivitamin, calcium, things like that. But as far as to help with nausea or something, I mean, your doctor can prescribe something if it's that bad. But if it's really, really, really bad, you maybe want to consider should you be on it.
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Jill Dunn
Right, right. Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Or try another one instead of semaglutide. Terzepatide.
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Jill Dunn
Right, right. I think it's, it's. I even see big companies like a gnc, they're now marketing some of their existing products to be like, are you on semaglutide? Then you're experiencing muscle loss or whatever. Take this protein powder.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Jill Dunn
Or something. So it any. I've even heard, like, walmart reported that their sales were down and, like, their packaged goods because people aren't buying the snacks. And like. No, I'm serious. Like, this is how far New York.
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Carlene Higgins
Has, like, smaller menus. Like, oh, if you want a half. A half meal now.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, exactly. On menus. Like, it's so wild how far reaching it is.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I know, because I've been hearing that that some nutritionists are saying that their clients are like, malnourished now as a.
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Jill Dunn
Result or their hair's falling out.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah. But that's why you really do need to work on making sure you're eating your protein. Like, working with a dietitian is going to only set you up for success with it, especially if you get off of it. But yeah, like, to your point, I've even seen gyms and stuff advertise, like, meet with our dietitian and you can do your semaglutide program and our trainer and keep your muscle.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, no, it's changing how marketing is happening because it's affecting so many bottom lines.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Right, right, right, right. It's like all the adjacent stuff happening.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
So powerful.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I mentioned this before, but what do you make of all the body positivity conversation that's sort of falling apart? Do you have an opinion on that?
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Carlene Higgins
So, yes. I mean, I feel like we kind of always knew that a lot of those discussions were either performative or fragile. So like the Victoria's Secret Runway show, it kind of feels like they're like, okay, see, we did this, so you can't say anything to us.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
Because before six years ago, they did not have anyone plus size.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Sometimes people think body positivity means, like, they only think of people who look a certain way as body positive instead of. It can be. You can be short, you can be tall, you can be curvy in this way. Not curvy. Not have breasts, whatever.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
And I think when I look back, like when I was a child, when I was a teenager, we still, even with everyone losing weight, we still have more diversity and people are still not as thin. Like when I think about, like the 90s models and 2000s models, when I think about being told Drew Barrymore was the. The fats, Charlie's Angels, and I look at her then, quote, unquote. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Like the, the fat one and 12 year old me was like, oh, yeah, she's the fat one.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
Never would we say that. Now we wouldn't even think that.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
And so I think even our standard of Skinny, even with Ozempic is not as nearly unhealthy as that heroin. She.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
Thankfully.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
And we do have more diversity.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Small, small wins.
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Carlene Higgins
Small wins. Small wins. Just as forward. One step back.
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Jill Dunn
Yes, exactly Y.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Save me time to go deep on celebrity before and afters, which is definitely your forte. So who do you think had the most dramatic transformation of the year in 2024? Like you had to do a double take and be like, I, that's them.
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Carlene Higgins
Lindsay Lohan. Yeah. She looks amazing. And this is a couple years coming. I think she's been working on things for a couple years and things have settled. She looks incredible.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
She does transformation of the year.
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Carlene Higgins
I've, I've said this maybe a decade, a lifetime, I don't know.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
What's your analysis on what she got done?
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Carlene Higgins
So I definitely believe she had a facelift. So neck lift, facelift, brow lift, blef. But we, I posted a picture. She has a scar. That one. I'm not even say alleged. She had a bluff and she come for me. She wants to say she didn't a nose job. She's always had a small nose. But it looks like when I was looking at the pictures it was kind of crooked for a little bit. And I don't know if that was like from past just, you know, substance use because her younger pictures, it wasn't crooked and then it was and then now it's like straight and, and then.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Or maybe she had a fall, we don't know.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah. Deviated symptom.
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Carlene Higgins
Yes, deviated septum. That happened like five years ago. Allegedly.
- [26:34]
Jill Dunn
Yes.
- [26:35]
Carlene Higgins
And then better place filler. Whoever started doing her filler. Amazing. Love it. Facelift face and necklace and act.
- [26:43]
Jill Dunn
Right. Okay.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah. Wow.
- [26:45]
Jill Dunn
And I feel like you really see the change in her. Her face shape. And you've done a very detailed video on this. So it's just some more defined.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
It's a bit more diamondy in a way.
- [26:56]
Carlene Higgins
She lifted everything.
- [26:57]
Jill Dunn
The.
- [26:58]
Carlene Higgins
The chin gives her that point. And then I was talking to a plastic surgeon who told me not to say her name, but she had her buckle fat was just a little bit lower than some people's. And so a lot of times we'll see that with people who have more chipmunky cheeks where it's a little lower. So she believes it was re. She didn't. Didn't do her surgery.
- [27:16]
Jill Dunn
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
She believes it was reduced and lifted. So repositioned.
- [27:20]
Jill Dunn
Okay.
- [27:20]
Carlene Higgins
And also gives it that right sculpted look.
- [27:24]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
So she would have had a full bandage face at some point. Like the whole Shabbat.
- [27:28]
Carlene Higgins
Not really. You would be surprised.
- [27:30]
Jill Dunn
Really?
- [27:31]
Carlene Higgins
Yeah. The bandage that goes all the way around your face is usually for 24 hours.
- [27:34]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Oh, okay.
- [27:35]
Carlene Higgins
And then it's just bandage.
- [27:36]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
- [27:37]
Carlene Higgins
Here. For your facelift and little ones.
- [27:39]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
- [27:39]
Carlene Higgins
No, I mean, there are surgeons that they'll say 24 hour facelift. Like, you can. You can be at dinner in three days, like, with no one seeing the bandages behind her ear.
- [27:49]
Jill Dunn
Wow. I don't know about that. That's wild. So is there somebody that comes to mind when we think of, like, who had the least noticeable work done? Unless you're, like, super trained eye like you, is there somebody that comes to mind?
- [28:02]
Carlene Higgins
Anne Hathaway. She looks amazing. I don't know what she's done, but she's done something.
- [28:08]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
- [28:09]
Jill Dunn
Oh, hey.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
That's the sign of the best work, right?
- [28:12]
Carlene Higgins
I would say probably a facelift, but I don't know what else. She's just. Just stunning and amazing.
- [28:17]
Jill Dunn
What stands out to you that makes you, like, impressed with her result? Is it the shape of the face? Is it her nose?
- [28:23]
Carlene Higgins
Like, it's that. I can't tell when she did it. Like, there's just a moment where I'm like, oh, she did have more skin laxity and a little bit more fullness here. And now she doesn't. And I can't. I can't even pinpoint it on a timeline. That's crazy to me.
- [28:37]
Jill Dunn
Okay. Yeah. Wow.
- [28:39]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
The level of observation that you have is. Is truly something. What did you make of the Ariana Grande video? This was With Vanity Fair, of course, where she was hooked up to the lie detector test. I know you did a spoof video on it, so it's safe to say you were not convinced.
- [28:54]
Carlene Higgins
So I learned a lot about lie detectors that I did not know. I did not know anything but what was in movies, and people were like, she's not even hooked up correctly. Like, it's over her clothes. She's moving too much. She's not answering yes or no questions. So I learned a lot.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
First of all, it's safe to say it was probably a problem prop.
- [29:09]
Jill Dunn
Right.
- [29:10]
Carlene Higgins
Second of all, we have eyes.
- [29:12]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
She.
- [29:13]
Carlene Higgins
That is not the same face we saw a few years ago, which is totally fine. She likes how she looks. That's Ariana Grande look. Like, I can't imagine anyone else looking like that. I found it to be really insulting to our intelligence, first of all. And I understand that she's promoting her movie, her musical, but I feel like she. They could have made it clickbaity while telling the truth. Like, imagine if she gave us just, like, a little breadcrumb. Like. Like, I have had my nose done, Even if it was complete, it's like, well, I broke my nose when I was 5, so I got my nose job, like, 10 years ago.
- [29:45]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
- [29:46]
Carlene Higgins
It was crazy to me. And even when she was like, how did you even do that? I'm like, girl, ask your surgeon how they did it. Yeah. And then for her to throw her brother under the bus, I was like, girl, I don't know what surgery is, but he had it. He had it done, though.
- [30:03]
Jill Dunn
Yeah. So with her, is it that she's. I don't think she's had a facelift. Right. Is I.
- [30:11]
Carlene Higgins
Allegedly with Dr. Cal, she did the ponytail facelift. Facelifts when you're young can be to, like, change the way your face looks when you're older. It's usually to rejuvenate, like, to put things back to where they were.
- [30:20]
Jill Dunn
Right, right. Okay, so in your estimation, allegedly, she's had what, done?
- [30:27]
Carlene Higgins
Facelift, blast, nose job, two fillers. I can't. Off the top of my head, I can't remember, but definitely chin, jaw, something here.
- [30:37]
Jill Dunn
Yeah. Yeah.
- [30:38]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Wow. So that would have been a facelift in the 20s, not even in the inner 30s.
- [30:43]
Carlene Higgins
Yeah. So I. Bella Hadid, allegedly, also into Dr. Cowell. When, like I said, when you do it younger. Yeah. It just changes the shape of your face, and they have, like, that ethereal, like, fox.
- [30:55]
Jill Dunn
Alien.
- [30:55]
Carlene Higgins
Foxy. Yeah. People think it's threads. It's not threaded heads.
- [30:58]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Oh, interesting.
- [30:59]
Carlene Higgins
Surgical, it's very easy. The incisions are placed here. You're never going to see the scar. And it's just.
- [31:04]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
- [31:04]
Jill Dunn
So you're pointing kind of like halfway up your crown. The incisions are. Oh my gosh.
- [31:11]
Carlene Higgins
When people think it's just the top part of your head. No, it literally pulls like from your mid face. So like your cheeks up and out and that's how you get that.
- [31:18]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
And so moving on. Kylie Jenner, do you think she had a facelift?
- [31:22]
Carlene Higgins
I do, I do.
- [31:23]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Okay, and what are the telltale signs.
- [31:25]
Carlene Higgins
To you when I mean her face? It's literally, literally has that lifted look. Like everything is going up and out.
- [31:32]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
- [31:33]
Carlene Higgins
And again for her, I think it's more of just wanting to reposition her face in a different way than it is naturally. Not that she has her laxity or soft tissue that's starting to fall.
- [31:46]
Jill Dunn
So do you think she removed fillers when she did that? Would that be part of the process?
- [31:51]
Carlene Higgins
Yes.
- [31:51]
Jill Dunn
Under the knife. So they can remove everything. The surgeon would remove everything and kind of start anew.
- [31:58]
Carlene Higgins
Yeah, as much as you can. It doesn't have to be completely 100 gone. But you obviously don't want to do a facelift when you have like a bunch of filler in your cheeks. And the process of a facelift removing the soft tissue, but also the skin you're re draping. So if you're re draping it over something and then you just have to keep refilling that, why would you.
- [32:15]
Jill Dunn
Right. I think it's really interesting to talk about this because I think people wouldn't assume that a 27 year old would go for a facelift.
- [32:22]
Carlene Higgins
Right.
- [32:22]
Jill Dunn
And people maybe that are the same age as her and have fillers all up until now. Well, now she's just had a total reset.
- [32:29]
Carlene Higgins
Right.
- [32:29]
Jill Dunn
She's like, I'm done with that look. And now she can like kind of, you know, go forward with her new look. But like if you are, you're not going to get a facelift when you're 27. So is it, what, what's the recourse? Well, when you might, sure. But what's the recourse if you feel like maybe you overdid it with the fillers and you're her age?
- [32:47]
Carlene Higgins
Well, every day with fillers you can just remove them. It's not like your face is going to suddenly fall. It's really. Especially at that age. It's not like, oh, I took my fillers out, now my face is like, ye deflated yeah. It's not like that at all. But with Kylie, it's not that she doesn't have fillers. And usually when you have a facelift, because that's, you know, again, repositioning your soft tissue back to where it's supposed to be or in a different place if you want it. Yeah. But if you lack volume in a place, you're still going to have to fill that. So we'll do fat transfer or filler. I prefer fat transfer. If you're already doing surgery, might as well do it then with the facelift.
- [33:20]
Jill Dunn
Okay.
- [33:20]
Carlene Higgins
And I think that's what she's done, and that's more permanent. And it doesn't hold on to water like filler can. Filler can look puffy sometimes, but I love filler. So this is not to say don't go out and do filler, but if you have a whole face full of filler, it can look puffy. Yeah.
- [33:36]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
So what. What would this cost somebody in this day and age to do the kind of like a ponytail lift with the fat transfers or without?
- [33:44]
Carlene Higgins
So on average, in the U.S. about 25 to 55,000 is going to be for a facelift. Dr. Cow's, like, ponytail facelift that he does, which all sorts of surgeons can do that, but he's the one who trademarked his name Dr. Cow's ponytail. I think right now he's at 2 or $300,000.
- [34:02]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
- [34:02]
Carlene Higgins
So, yeah, these celebrity surges. Dr. Jacono is charging $400,000. Not a fan of his work. Sorry.
- [34:08]
Jill Dunn
Yeah, that's Marc Jacobs, facelift guy. That's right.
- [34:10]
Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
- [34:11]
Jill Dunn
Hey, you know, teach their own.
- [34:13]
Carlene Higgins
Some people do. No, that looks really good, but, you know, there's a lot more that don't look good.
- [34:18]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
- [34:18]
Carlene Higgins
So. And for $400,000, no, thank you. I'll buy a house.
- [34:22]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
- [34:22]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
And so do you think. Do you like this ponytail facelift aesthetic? Do you. How are people going to age with this? Like, what more can you say?
- [34:32]
Carlene Higgins
I mean, they're gonna age just normally. I mean, so if your eyes are, like, lifted and going more upward, it'll start to come down, but it won't be as low as it was if you hadn't done that. So the aging is just normal for some people. I think it works. Works especially. So when I look at Bella Hadid, for example, we both have downturned eyes. Like, she's Palestinian, she's Arab. I am, too. So we typically have downturned eyes. So hers are now lifted up. They look really good on Her. So if you don't like that, then that's a good option for you. But I like my downturned eyes and I think if I were to change it, I would just look more Asian. And I'm not trying to like look like a completely different ethnicity.
- [35:09]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, fair enough.
- [35:11]
Jill Dunn
I feel like that is such a good point though too, that you really have to go to the right position because I think think, you know, eyes especially, it's not one size fits all. And you. It so much about our identity is in our eye shape and our eye look and what we're comfortable with specifically with me.
- [35:26]
Carlene Higgins
So I had a bluff and it's a very subtle blood because I had very, very hooded eyes and a lot of Arabs have very defined eyelids. I'm like the only one in my family that doesn't.
- [35:34]
Jill Dunn
Interesting.
- [35:35]
Carlene Higgins
Very defined eyelids. But the first surgeon that I went to like 10 years ago when I was wanting just a little bit of the hooding gone, he was like, he wanted to go really like take all the hooding away and to turn my eyes, it's called a canthoplast, and turn my eyes so they're not downward. So they cut the end and they lift it out and it's part of like a, the ponytail lift and, or can be part of a ponytail lift. And I was like, I don't want to change my eye shape. Like, I still want to have like my Arab looking eyes. And I was, I was not comfortable with him. And then with Dr. Rose is who I went to for my bluff, he was like, you know, we want to keep some of the hooding. Like that's going to see you. I was like, yes. And we're not going to turn my eyes. He was like, no, why would we do that? I was like, thank you. Yeah, yeah.
- [36:16]
Jill Dunn
So reassuring.
- [36:17]
Carlene Higgins
Right.
- [36:18]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I also had bluff in May and I feel like I still have my mom's eye shape, which is downturned.
- [36:23]
Carlene Higgins
What do you want?
- [36:24]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Right, yeah, exactly.
- [36:25]
Jill Dunn
It looks good.
- [36:26]
Carlene Higgins
Allegedly Ariana Grande and Bella Hadid, if you look at their old pictures, their eyes were more downturned. Interesting. And now they're. They're not just not downturned, they're all the way up.
- [36:36]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's like they. Well now they wake up like that. Right, right. That's the idea.
- [36:42]
Carlene Higgins
And it's not threads.
- [36:43]
Jill Dunn
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think is in it for them to not just cop to it at this point?
- [36:48]
Carlene Higgins
I think that we put so much stock in natural beauty and like that you're just naturally more attractive or whatever it is than regular people. I think the idea that the, you know the saying, like, you're not ugly, you're just poor. The only difference between me and Bella Hadid is money, access, you know, connections, and that's all it is. I'm also high. I'm 5 4. But like, things like that. That.
- [37:15]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
And so there are a lot of things that are kind of making things more equal. And I feel this way about glp. One agonist. The people that were the most angry were the people who've never been overweight a day in their life.
- [37:26]
Jill Dunn
Right, Right.
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Carlene Higgins
The angriest people. And I'm like, oh, my God. Are you just mad that people. It's not going to take away from you.
- [37:31]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Thinner. If other people get thinner.
- [37:34]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
But they acted like it was like this awful thing that was, like, happening to them, and they're like, don't you care about your health? And this is. You don't know what it's going to do. Like, yeah, it's going to make people thinner. Help their labs. It's a steady drug for more than 20 years. So, yeah, fine.
- [37:49]
Jill Dunn
Yeah. It's so interesting, so personal.
- [37:52]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
We honestly could do the whole episode about that topic.
- [37:56]
Carlene Higgins
Frankel, you were so mean about it.
- [37:58]
Jill Dunn
Yes. Skinny girl. That's not good for her brand. And it's undeniable that 2024 was the year of Taylor Swift. I mean, eras tour is winding down. Sad face. I mean, and I'm a huge Swiftie. We got a. We got some viral beauty moments from her. Her makeup artist finally, like, revealed what lipstick she wore, which was Nars Morocco. And then she wore those, like, phase it glitter to Chiefs game. And I noticed that you made a video not long ago, kind of. And it wasn't shady at all. It was just like, I think this is how she went from looking like this to looking like this. And I was like, dana's brave because people are going to come for you. Swifties were probably upset. Maybe they weren't. Tell me what the reaction's been like.
- [38:39]
Carlene Higgins
They were. So I have cultivated a very awesome community, so I have not been getting as bad of comments as I would have maybe a couple years ago.
- [38:47]
Jill Dunn
Okay.
- [38:48]
Carlene Higgins
At this point, I think people know what my page is, and there'll just be a couple people who say something, but then it'll make it to Reddit or Twitter. And then I'm dragged. Like, suddenly, I don't know. Real aging. And that's just what happens. And I'm like, we're literally the same age. I'm 10-89-11-89. That's not what happens with aging, I promise you. You don't. And just get a smaller nose and fuller lips and like, her eyebrow area is completely different and it looks great, but.
- [39:17]
Jill Dunn
Yeah, yeah, I think at one point she. She got her teeth done recently again as well. I don't know if you noticed that.
- [39:25]
Carlene Higgins
But I didn't look at her teeth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [39:28]
Jill Dunn
And you also said boob job.
- [39:30]
Carlene Higgins
Yes.
- [39:30]
Jill Dunn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
She had one already. I don't. I can't remember off the top of my head exactly when, but she had really small breast implants. And when she was really, really, really thin. She. She has said that she was, you know, battling an eating disorder. You could see the implant sitting on her chest.
- [39:46]
Jill Dunn
Yeah, she wasn't well for a while, I don't think.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, right. And then she gained weight and looked very healthy and fuller, but her breasts were still smaller. And I think she just went up a size. The way that people were on Twitter, like. Or ex. Formerly known as Twitter, everyone was like, she just gained weight. And I was like. Because you can see where she gained weight. She was actually. She's actually, I think, lost some weight. Weight since she'd gained some weight. And this is a completely new breast augmentation. And also a surgeon that I know is really good friends with the surgeon who did her breast augmentation.
- [40:17]
Jill Dunn
Yeah, you heard it here.
- [40:18]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
This is the true insider in front of us right now. Who's the celeb that you've gotten the most blowback about commenting on? Maybe from them, their lawyers, whatever.
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Carlene Higgins
Callie Uchis. So she's a Grammy singer. Grammy award winning singer. Oh, yeah. She. She bullied me, honestly. And I don't get bullied very easily. She was in my dm saying all sorts of things, very unkind things. And then she had her followers come after me. She was making stories. Like, she said at the time, I was 32, I'm about to be 35. She was like, this woman that's about to push 40, like, worried about me, like, whisper talking into her stories. And I was like, I'm not pushing 40 and 32 and you're 10. And I'm like, we would have been in high school together. I would have been a senior. You would have been a sophomore. Like, come on. Right. And she had her entertainment lawyer send me a cease and desist. And I was like, no. Like, actually, I would love for us to go to court because then we could subpoena your medical records. And then I can be like, I did this. I got it. I got all the. All the tea. But, yeah, she was really mean to me on multiple occasions.
- [41:25]
Jill Dunn
Did you take it down the post? No, no. Yeah.
- [41:28]
Carlene Higgins
I didn't say anything. I literally. I was a huge fan. I'm no longer a fan. My husband and I have a joke like, he. Because he loves her music. And I'm like, you are a traitor playing her music right now. But I really do love her music. But I started out the post like, I love your music. I saw you in Houston in 2017, like, blah, blah, and your work is amazing. And she was like, what, work girl? And it's not. It's not subtle work. It is extremely. It's that South American. I mean, she. She went to Cali, Columbia to get it done. Or. Yeah, not Medellin. Yeah, I think Cali Columbia.
- [42:04]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Right, Right.
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Jill Dunn
Oh, interesting. I like how you're able to pinpoint that. Yeah. What about. Do you get cease and desist a lot? Or like, are you checking yourself to such a degree that you can stand by everything you're posting?
- [42:16]
Carlene Higgins
Yes. So couple things. A cease and assist. Usually, I mean, you have to do that before you can proceed with, like, legal stuff. But also sometimes it's just like, maybe she'll get scared and take it down.
- [42:25]
Jill Dunn
Right.
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Carlene Higgins
And that's usually how I take it because I never say anything like, damaging. I mean, I really don't. Like, I, like I said, I try to keep it positive or neutral.
- [42:34]
Jill Dunn
Right.
- [42:35]
Carlene Higgins
And really, when it comes down to defamation, they have to prove that. One, one, it's not true, two, I know it's not true and I said it anyway. And three, it damaged them in some way. Whether it's like, destroyed a relationship, they lost money, something happened. And like, that, that's. That puts a lot of onus on them. That is kind of even unfair because, like, how are they going to prove that it damaged them? But my thing is like, okay. With Cali, I was like, okay, let's go prove that it's not true. Like, I would love to see those medical records. But yeah. And you have to knowingly know it's untrue.
- [43:07]
Jill Dunn
Right? Yeah. Right. So you've never really been hit with.
- [43:10]
Carlene Higgins
Yeah, no, I' Yeah. Yeah. I've never, like, just lied and said they had something done that I didn't believe that they had done.
- [43:16]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
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Carlene Higgins
Honestly haven't been looking at the guys that much. Brad Pitt, I think. Was that not this year, was it?
- [45:35]
Jill Dunn
I think, I think it could have been.
- [45:37]
Carlene Higgins
I'm not really sure.
- [45:38]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Maybe it was early.
- [45:39]
Carlene Higgins
Showed up to like the F1, like.
- [45:41]
Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Formula racing and he just looked 10 years younger.
- [45:44]
Carlene Higgins
Yes. Facelift. Amazing facelift. I posted about it. Men are harder because they typically have more subtle surgeries. Even when they get botox, like working in med spas, they would say, I want to keep these lines. I just want them to be like less severe. And then also there's like a misogynistic aspect. Like they just don't believe that men have to get anything done to look good and that, that men just age better and when we think about men aging better, it's not that they don't wrinkle and sag and go gray. We just, for some reason say that they look more attractive with wrink. And with women, we don't.
- [46:17]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
- [46:18]
Carlene Higgins
We don't. Give us that space. So I can show obvious work on men, and people are like, no, he just worked out. I'm like, he worked out for his jawline when he's always been thin.
- [46:28]
Jill Dunn
Yeah.
- [46:29]
Carlene Higgins
I was. I think in the video, I was like, Brad Pitt was like, born with a six pack. This is not like a workout, like, weight gain, weight loss situation, so.
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Jill Dunn
Right. Yeah, I. I mean, I think you're so right. There is such a big conversation to be had about, like, misogyny that's just baked in or like patriarchy because there's no daddy do over. There's a mommy make over.
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Carlene Higgins
Right. Like, odds are hot.
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Jill Dunn
Right? Yeah, exactly. It does. I always like to. I do think about that a lot because, you know, it's just. They're. We're just held to a different standard for sure.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
And then, like, men, like, a lot of their stuff ends up being with, like, their hair loss. Yeah. Men in Hollywood, they start doing it before you even know that they're losing hair. Like, as soon as they start to see, then they're doing their transplants. So it. We don't. We don't see a lot of stuff like that with women. Like, usually it's like, oh, her nose is completely different.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I feel like there is some jaw work going on. That masculinization type of idea, it makes a big difference.
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Carlene Higgins
It does.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
And I imagine it can change how they're cast, the types of things that they're cast for. Right.
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Carlene Higgins
There are surgeons here in LA that literally call it, like the male model package or the male actor package. And it's like, jawline, make sure your hair is fine. Peck and implants.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Wow.
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Carlene Higgins
Are huge. Like, when I was talking about it, people were like, that's. That sounds crazy. There's no way that men are out here doing it. I'm like, yes. Think about all the men in your life, all the places you've gone and seen men's shirtless. And then think about the men in Hollywood. And I know everyone has friends that have six packs and are always in the gym. Think about some of their pecs and then Hollywood pecs. Like, even if they have, like, really, like, meaty, beefy chest, like, one is bigger than the other, they're not perfect. The square, the shape is like Whatever. But then in Hollywood, they have the perfect Kindle.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, right. Is there any. Are there any big transformations that we may have missed? I'm sure our listeners are loving the tea as well. So is there anything that we're missing from 2024 that is worthy of us? Looking back on Demi Moore.
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Carlene Higgins
So I've heard from just in the. In that industry that she had a facelift revision. So she had one last year or something. And if you remember, she, like, walked in a show and everyone was saying very horrible things.
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Jill Dunn
I think that was a couple years ago.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah, yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Whoever did her this year or whenever, she had this transformation, I'm not exactly sure, but she revealed it this year. Amazing. And I saw the movie the Substance.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Oh, you did?
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Carlene Higgins
I loved it. But she looks absolutely incredible.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I mean, up until that moment where she got dragged a few years ago, which I thought was a filler incident overboard. But she's just. She has had such good work. And I know that you. Sometimes you can name drop, sometimes you can't. Do we know who she gets her work done from?
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Carlene Higgins
I'm not sure. I believe I heard Dr. Gary is who fixed it, but I'm not positive. Don't quote. I mean, yeah, technically, literally, you're quoting yourself, John. I'm not sure. Okay. But Dr. Gary in New York is really great, too.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
Is that a last name or first name? Dr. Gary.
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Carlene Higgins
Dr. Gary.
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Jill Dunn
Okay, cool. And I want to ask you about Jennifer Aniston, because I feel like that's one that people would say to you, she's had nothing done. Yes, right. I'm sure you hear that all the time. Let's talk about it.
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Carlene Higgins
Actually, I have a story with about a patient, and that's actually what kind of sparked me to start my page, which is funny. A lot of the clientele that we had at the med school that I was working at at the time were a little bit older. Like, they skewed white, older, wealthy. And this one woman, she did not take care of her skin in her, like, younger days. She. But she. She kind of looks like Jennifer Aniston, and she's like, this is the look that I want. And we're like, okay, you need lasers, first of all, to get your skin to that texture. And then Botox, whatever. So we were getting her ready to start her laser stuff, and she comes in and she was like, hey, thank you for everything. You know, all the planning that you did for me. But she was reading a magazine, and Jennifer Aniston had said something like, she does Yogurt and honey on her face and, like, the enzyme times, like, break stuff down or I don't know. And she's like. So I'm gonna try that for a while before I do the lasers. I was like, girl, lasers, honey and yogurt.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
She came back, like, a month later and started her lasers and was really happy.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like she. She's someone who must have. This is me. My opinion. Have done very consistent tweaks all the way along, because you don't really see that before and after. And that's why people don't believe. Believe it.
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Unnamed Speaker (Insurance Agent)
Right.
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Jill Dunn
Because it's so good, and it's been just over decades, you know?
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Carlene Higgins
Exactly.
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Jill Dunn
She's looking great.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Low and slow, baby.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, she looks amazing. Yeah, She. I would. I believe that she's had a facelift. I think she might have even gone to Dr. Jacono, even though I don't like him. Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
Interesting.
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Carlene Higgins
But no, she is. The lasers, like, taking care of that. And sunscreen. I mean, she was advertising sunscreen before it was cool to advertise sunscreen. It was like the Vino brand. Do you remember that?
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Jill Dunn
Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Who's the most famous celebrity who's ever slid into your DMs and asked you for a cosmetic surgeon referral? Is there anybody?
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Carlene Higgins
Yes. Chrissy Teigen and Christine Quinn would be probably the two biggest to ask for referrals.
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Jill Dunn
And you say my fee is.
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Carlene Higgins
No, actually, don't charge. I can talk about Christine's because she's open about hers.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
She ended up going to Dr. Catherine Chang for a bleph. Blepharoplasty. Bleph. And then she said that that's also where. Oh, my gosh. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Her two daughters are models. Lisa Rinna. She said Lisa Rinna and her kids went to Dr. Chang.
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Jill Dunn
Allegedly. Allegedly. Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
Well, it's not alleged, because I'm telling you that someone told me.
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Jill Dunn
True, true.
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Carlene Higgins
So I love Christine.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
I love Dr. Chang's natural approach. I think it's great. Is there anyone who you see regularly picked apart in Hollywood for having work done, but you actually don't believe they've had work done? Because some. I think our whole concept of how people age is getting skewed of what it visually looks like. And sometimes the way certain people might age, it might look like they've had work done and they haven't.
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Carlene Higgins
Honestly, I don't know, because I don't think people get picked apart being told that they do have Work done. But I do think that we'll say that we want people to be natural. We're like, why can't they just be natural? And when I say we, I mean just a small fragment of very loud people on the Internet. But then when you'll see like, like Sarah Jessica Parker and like that she doesn't. Debo talks in her forehead and was graying and the way people were just disgusted with it. Right. Meanwhile, men, yeah, they're like, oh, it's fine. But Sarah Jessica Parker, you can't win.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
We always say. And I'm again, I mean, we as a, as a culture, we always say what we don't want, but actually we want.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
That thing.
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Carlene Higgins
We want you to age like you've had work done without having the work done.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
Exactly.
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Carlene Higgins
That's possible. Obviously. Exactly what we want.
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Jill Dunn
Wow.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
And so now, looking ahead to 2025, what transformations or like, what types of surgery do you anticipate will be big in 2025?
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Carlene Higgins
I think we're still seeing a ton of explants and fat transfer. That is every surgeon that I work with, they're like, one of my surgeons that I work with, he loves. He just loves implants. Better. He's just like, they just hold up better. Like, you know, fat transfer. Your body might absorb some and then have to come back. What, Whatever. He's like, is there just a stigma against implants now? He's like, don't worry, Dr. Rose, you're going to be retired. You don't have to worry about this anymore. But every single surgeon that does like implants, they're like, everyone's getting explanted or going to tiny implants or that transfer. And I don't think we've hit the hump yet. I think it's moving in that direction still.
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Jill Dunn
So everybody go and follow Dana for her very, very thorough videos. Like, I get the popcorn out when I'm watching one of your videos because I know you've done your homework.
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Carlene Higgins
Thank you.
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Jill Dunn
And the pictures and all the document is there, everyone, so definitely go and check that out. Thank you so much for joining us.
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Carlene Higgins
Thanks.
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Unnamed Speaker (Podcast Producer)
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