Awkward Tuesday: CTRL ALT EX

Summary

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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: CTRL ALT EX

iHeartPodcasts | March 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Brooke and Jeffrey’s “Second Date Update” features an “Awkward Tuesday Phone Call” titled “CTRL ALT EX.” The theme revolves around listener Brock, who attempts to reconnect with Chloe, a woman he recently ghosted to rekindle things with his ex. Now dumped (again) by his ex, Brock seeks advice from the hosts on how to salvage things with Chloe without disclosing the messy details. The hosts debate honesty versus smooth denial, leading to a hilariously uncomfortable live-call attempt at reconciliation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Listener Mail & Warm-Up: Audience Engagement (03:09–03:55)

• Brooke reads out a message from a dedicated listener who became a podcast superfan during Ramadan, establishing the show’s loyal, engaged audience.
  • Quote: "I started listening to y'all every day because I couldn't listen to music. ... I'm actually gagged realizing it's really been a year." – Listener, via Brooke (03:11)

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2. Setting Brock’s Situation: Double Valentine Dilemma (03:55–05:44)

• Jeffrey introduces Brock’s predicament: two women asked him to be their Valentine.
• Jokes about “what not to do” and the dismal stats for rekindling with exes.
  • Quote: “What percentage do you think dating experts say that getting back together with an ex is a good idea? … Less than 5%.” – Jeffrey (04:33–05:20)

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3. Brock’s Story: Why He Needs Help (05:44–10:28)

• Brock explains he’d been dating Chloe for about a month when she asked him to be her Valentine. The same day, his ex texted him with regrets and also wanted to meet.
• Brock admits to saying yes to both.
  • Quote: “I said yes, I’d be her Valentine, too.” – Brock (07:43)
• He spent time with Chloe, then his ex, ultimately resuming things with his ex.
• Brock’s ex dumped him again for another guy after just a few days.
  • “A couple days ago, she dumped me again for another guy.” – Brock (08:46)

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4. The Hosts Weigh In: Advice for Brock (10:28–13:59)

• Brock wants the hosts to call Chloe and help him pick things back up without discussing his detour with his ex.
• Brooke advocates for full honesty and taking ownership:
  • Quote: “You have to come clean and you have to say, listen, that experience really taught me something, and that’s I’m so over her and I just want to be with you.” – Brooke (12:02)
• Jose/Jeffrey recommend "ghost lighting"—pretending nothing unusual happened and acting as if Brock hadn’t ghosted Chloe.
  • Quote: “You gotta do the same thing. Act like nothing happened and you guys are still doing good.” – Jeffrey (13:04)
• Brock leans towards the “if she doesn’t know, nothing bad happened” point of view, but reluctantly agrees to make the call.

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5. The Awkward Call: Brock Tries to Win Back Chloe (14:12–17:55)

The Call’s Key Moments

• Brock calls from a new number, making a clumsy excuse about his phone falling into a lake (14:12–14:40).
• Stumbles through a casual invitation to get steak, then Chloe immediately brings up the Instagram photo she saw of Brock with his ex the day after Valentine’s (15:18).
  • Quote: “I saw a photo of you and your ex the day after Valentine’s Day on your Instagram. What was that about?” – Chloe (15:21)
• Brock awkwardly admits the ex “reeled him back in” and spins a “crybaby sob story,” ultimately rationalizing poor choices.
  • “Stupid me, right? Dumb idiot. I ended up spending that night with her.” – Brock (16:18)
• Chloe is unimpressed, calls him “such an idiot,” and quickly signals she’s not interested:
  • “I have no sympathy for him. Literally zero.” – Chloe (18:34)

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6. Aftermath & Hosts’ Commentary (17:55–20:55)

• The hosts attempt to help Brock salvage dignity, but Chloe is firm—she flatly rejects any idea of reconciliation.
• Brooke and Jeffrey mock Brock’s attempt to offer dinner as a consolation prize (“steak...or chicken...or seafood...”).
  • Quote: “Are you seriously asking me that?... I said no. And I couldn’t be any clearer.” – Chloe (19:35, 20:01)
• The hosts debrief that Chloe handled it perfectly with sarcasm and solid boundaries:
  • “I feel like Chloe could be like some sort of research model of how to handle a guy like this.” – Brooke (23:43)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On rekindling with exes:
  “Less than 5%.” – Jeffrey, on the likelihood of success (05:20)
• On double-dating:
  “I said yes, I’d be her Valentine, too.” – Brock (07:43)
• Brock’s attempt at damage control:
  "If I don't know, there's nothing for me to be upset about." – Brock (10:11)
• Chloe’s savage put-down:
  “I have no sympathy for him. Literally zero.” – Chloe (18:34)
• Hosts on Chloe’s response:
  "Total indifference and sarcasm played well." – Jeffrey (23:50)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:09 – Listener mail shoutout
• 04:33 – “Getting back with your ex is a less than 5% success rate.”
• 05:44 – Brock tells his story
• 07:43 – Brock double-books Valentine’s Day
• 08:46 – Brock’s ex dumps him again
• 12:02 – Brooke’s advice: radical honesty
• 13:04 – Hosts float “ghost lighting” tactic
• 14:12 – Brock’s awkward call to Chloe begins
• 15:21 – Chloe calls out Brock for the Instagram post
• 16:18 – Brock admits to seeing both women on Valentine’s
• 18:34 – Chloe says, “I have no sympathy for him. Literally zero.”
• 19:35/20:01 – Chloe definitively shuts Brock down
• 23:43 – Hosts praise Chloe’s example response

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Tone & Style

• Casual, playful banter with undercurrents of pointed advice.
• Hosts use humor and sarcasm to soften awkwardness but don’t shy from calling out dubious behavior.
• Chloe’s responses are witty, direct, and cut through the spin.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

Brock’s attempt to bounce back to Chloe after a failed restart with his ex crumbles spectacularly on-air. The hosts vacillate between advocating honesty and “ghost lighting,” but once confronted, Brock blurts out the full story in the most unflattering way possible. Chloe, unfooled and unimpressed, delivers one of the most decisive reality checks in “Awkward Tuesday” history. The episode is a classic showcase of what not to do in modern dating—and how to keep your dignity intact when someone comes crawling back.

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Transcript

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

All right, here it is, your brand new Awkward Tuesday podcast, today on the second day podcast. We love when listeners leave us messages. That's why we like to read them on air. Yes. And do we say on air in podcasting? Sorry, no.

[Jeffrey]

And we say comments on recording.

[Brooke]

What are we doing? I don't know. Yeah, but go ahead and read them in the microphone. Yeah, I'm gonna say Sinabo said, I can't believe last Ramadan, I started listening to y' all every day because I couldn't listen to music. Oh, cool. I really thought I would stop after Ramad, but I didn't. I ended up being Yalls top listener. And it's been a whole year now. I've listened to y' all every single day nonstop. I'm actually gagged realizing it's really been a year.

[Jeffrey]

You know, this is like people that cut out sugar or alcohol and they just go, look, I'm gonna do it for two weeks. And then they end up for the long run for the better.

[Brooke]

You're.

[Jeffrey]

You're here with.

[Brooke]

I like that you compare us to a good thing. Yeah, that's good. That's good.

[Nancy Glass]

I love it.

[Brooke]

I love it. Thank you so much for being here. However you found us. Your brand new episode starts right now.

[Jeffrey]

Imagine on the most romantic day of the year. You have two people reach out to you, both asking if they can be your valentine. Oh, my gosh.

[Brooke]

Are you in a dream, Jeff, do you need to wake up?

[Jeffrey]

Let's both together. It's not about me. It's about one of our listeners. What do you do? Cause I could tell you with full certainty you should not do what this listener did. Uh. Oh. Cause it's landed him here asking for help with an awkward Tuesday phone call. You're gonna hear all about the fateful decision he made coming up next.

[Brock]

It's awkward.

[Brooke]

It's Tuesday.

[Jeffrey]

It's awkward. Tuesday phone call. What percentage do you think dating experts say that getting back together with an ex is a good idea?

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, only times I've heard of it, they literally got married.

[Brooke]

Good idea. Or fun idea. Good, because it's fun.

[Nancy Glass]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Is it good or.

[Jeffrey]

Well, but maybe they've grown, Brooke. Maybe the problems that caused your breakup are all resolved now.

[Brock]

Ah.

[Jeffrey]

And maybe the statute of limitations on that restraining order finally expired and you're free. Yay.

[Brooke]

That's not.

[Jeffrey]

That's not a good romantic drive by your house again. So what's the expert's final number on the chances it will work out with your ex? Less than 5%.

[Brooke]

So you're saying there's a chance it's above zero. That's actually better than I expected.

[Jeffrey]

I know two different couples that broke up and then years later got back and they're married.

[Brooke]

Just wait for the divorce.

[Jeffrey]

But nobody knows those percentage numbers more than our listener, Brock, who has reached out to our show needing some help. Brock, welcome to your life.

[Brock]

Man, I really wish I would have heard those specs a couple weeks ago. I would have. I would have made a couple different decisions.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yeah, you should just be always googling the divorce rate, like, just periodically.

[Brooke]

It sounds like you're in deep regret right now.

[Brock]

That's a bullseye right there.

[Jeffrey]

Oh. 50 points to Brooke. Good job.

[Brooke]

But we can work from that.

[Brock]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

What happened? Why do you say that?

[Brock]

So I was seeing this new girl for a month, Chloe. Super casual new relationship. Things are going great. We really hit it off and really connect. And on Valentine's Day, she reaches out and she asked me if I want to be her valentine.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow, you got asked. That's great.

[Brock]

I got asked. And I'm like, yeah, that's what every guy wants. You know, Like, I feel special. I said, yes, I'll be your valentine.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Does that mean she's gonna plan a date? That's awesome.

[Brock]

I mean, I didn't know what it really meant. I'm like, hey, I'm with you, and you're with me. So cool.

[Brooke]

Okay. Okay. It's almost like a cute way to ask to be exclusive. I guess.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, it could Valentine's.

[Brooke]

I thought I was just hanging out that day. Yeah. Things are good, though.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

You're flattered. People are happy.

[Jeffrey]

Sure. So what happened next?

[Brock]

Well, my ex, she texted me the same day. And it was a long one. Yeah, it was basically her saying how much she missed me, how she felt bad about our relationship ending the way it did. She laughing for somebody else. She wished that she could take it all back.

[Brooke]

Of course she does on Valentine's Day when she suddenly sing Single Again.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

He left her. Okay.

[Brock]

And she also told me she Wanted to see me for Valentine's Day, and.

[Jeffrey]

But you've already said yes to Chloe.

[Brooke]

You're already someone's Valentine.

[Brock]

Yeah, I know, but I also still had feelings for her, and we didn't break up that long ago. It was only a couple months ago.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I get it.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, that does change it a little. I can see that.

[Brooke]

We've been there.

[Jeffrey]

So what did you do?

[Brock]

I. I mean, I said yes. I'd be her Valentine's, too.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wait, two. Did you say the word two? Like you're gonna try to do a double valentine?

[Brooke]

I don't know. He hasn't thought this out too far.

[Jeffrey]

Hold on. I like where this is going. So what happens on Valentine's Day?

[Brock]

Oh, I mean, first off, I hung out with Chloe, and then it was great and fun. And then I hung out with my ex.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow. I didn't think it was gonna work out like that. That's wonderful. Two women were made happy that day, Brooke. That should bring a smile to your face.

[Brooke]

Dude, you hung out with them on the same day?

[Nancy Glass]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, on the day of the year.

[Brooke]

Like a late day, late celebration with one of them.

[Brock]

I mean, what can I do? I was two people's Valentine's, and I had to be there.

[Jeffrey]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[Brooke]

And it sounds like you probably didn't feel guilty about doing it to your ex, because she sounds like she was maybe overlapping at the end of your relationship.

[Jeffrey]

So what's happened since then?

[Brock]

So I spent more time with my ex, and we kind of. We picked things up where they left off, and it was good for a while. But a couple days ago, she dumped me again for another guy.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Brock]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Oh. Same thing that happened the first time.

[Brooke]

I mean, that's like, first time, shame on you. Second time, maybe. Shame on me?

[Jeffrey]

I don't know. That's right. I think I've always heard, blame the ex.

[Brock]

I agree with you on that one, 100%. Blame the end.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brooke]

I mean, it's not cool of her. I would agree with that.

[Jeffrey]

All right, so you've reached out for an awkward Tuesday. What made you do that? What are you hoping to get out of this?

[Brock]

So I need you guys to call Chloe for me.

[Brooke]

Oh, Chloe.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Rebound, double time.

[Brock]

I wouldn't say that. I mean, this is more like I was robbed of an opportunity to build something genuine with Chloe because of my ex. Chloe doesn't know about any of this that's happened, and I need this to be smooth.

[Jeffrey]

You want to tell her?

[Brock]

I don't.

[Brooke]

What did you Tell Chloe. Like, I mean, did you stop seeing her while you got back together with your ex?

[Brock]

I mean, I've been more distant, and I haven't hung out with her as much.

[Brooke]

Okay, so you were seeing both of them?

[Nancy Glass]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

She's probably clocked on by now.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, well, we don't know. Is there any hint that she's aware of you going back to your ex girlfriend?

[Brock]

No. Nothing.

[Brooke]

Does that feel like cheating? I mean, if Chloe were to have been seeing another guy, would you consider that cheating on you?

[Brock]

I mean, if I didn't know, then, no.

[Jeffrey]

Nice. I like that. If I'm not aware of it, then it's not cheating.

[Brooke]

That's not how it works.

[Jeffrey]

It is.

[Brock]

If I don't know, there's nothing for me to be upset about.

[Jeffrey]

Right. I like that train of thought, Brock. Okay, so now you messy. You want to reach out to the girl that you kind of ditched to see if you can start things up again with her. And you don't want to tell her about the whole situation with your ex?

[Brock]

Yeah, I mean, this is only a couple weeks ago. Like, this isn't a long time ago. So I just need some advice on kind of how to bridge the gap and pick it back up.

[Brooke]

Okay, so you've kind of ghosted her for a couple weeks.

[Anna Sinfield]

Well.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, some girls like head games.

[Brooke]

Said no one ever female, I don't think.

[Jeffrey]

Well, we're going to have to play them when we come back. Give our advice to Brock and let him make his awkward Tuesday phone call. Trying to reignite things with Chloe. Oh, thanks. Coming up right after this. Hold on.

[Brock]

It's awkward.

[Brooke]

It's Tuesday.

[Brock]

It's awkward Tuesday phone call.

[Jeffrey]

Who wouldn't want to jump into the dating pool after this? Because our listener, Brock, if you're just joining us, was put in a tough position a few weeks ago when two women asked if they could be his Valentine on Cupid's big day.

[Brooke]

He couldn't say no.

[Jeffrey]

Well, first was a girl named Chloe that he'd been casually seeing for a month. And he said yes to her.

[Brooke]

And he really liked her. Yeah, really excited about it.

[Jeffrey]

But then he got a message from his ex. Yikes. Also asking to see him. Yeah, and Brock said yes to her, too, because there's still feelings there. And really, he's been spending most of his time with his ex until a few days ago when she dropped him again in the same way as before, leaving him for a different guy. Very leavable. So he feels like he made the wrong choice and now wants to reach back out to the first girl, Chloe, to reignite that spark. Without mentioning, oh, yeah, by the way, I left you for my ex. So how does he pull that off? Brooke, you're up.

[Brooke]

Well, I think that last part is totally wrong. I've been in this position before, and I think this is what you have to do, is you have to come clean and you have to say, listen, that experience really taught me something. And it's that I'm so over her and I just want to be with you.

[Brock]

Oh, that's mature.

[Jeffrey]

Brock, are you still awake after that?

[Brock]

I mean, yes and no.

[Brooke]

Did you come out looking like the hero?

[Brock]

Brock, it is super risky to do that, though.

[Jeffrey]

That's making yourself very vulnerable.

[Brooke]

But you're honest. She wins. I mean, I don't see a downside to this.

[Jeffrey]

I'm sure she's not going to be offended when she finds out the real reason that he did it.

[Brooke]

But hanging out for a month?

[Jeffrey]

Totally. I'm with you there, Brooke. A little bit of risk. Now you have that piece of advice, Brock. Jose, what do you think? Well, there's a famous Seinfeld episode where Kramer gets fired and then he just keeps showing up to work.

[Brooke]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Jeffrey]

Nobody notices. Yeah, yeah. So you gotta do the same thing. Act like nothing happened and you guys are still doing good.

[Brooke]

Isn't that what we just talked about, our show called Ghost Lighting?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yeah, Ghost Lighting.

[Brooke]

It's where you ghosted someone and then you pretend like you didn't.

[Jeffrey]

It is the hot, cool new thing to do right now in the dating world. So I like Jose's advice. Very topical. He's already ghosted her and he just seems to do the gaslighting.

[Brooke]

Very topical or very toxic? You can choose Mature toxic here.

[Nancy Glass]

Your choice.

[Brooke]

The two options.

[Brock]

I don't think it's toxic. I think it's, again, like, if she doesn't know, then nothing bad happened, right?

[Brooke]

If you haven't talked to her in weeks, she knows something. She's not a moron.

[Jeffrey]

But she won't know. If he's just feeling the good vibe, she'll just ride that train with him.

[Brock]

Yeah, I mean, who's to say something bad happened?

[Jeffrey]

That's right.

[Brock]

Maybe I was in an accident. Maybe my dog died. She doesn't know.

[Nancy Glass]

Perfect.

[Jeffrey]

Well, you're going a little far, but go ahead.

[Brooke]

Ghost lighter.

[Jeffrey]

I think I think you got the spirit of it. We are running a little bit short on time, so I'm gonna dial Chloe for you and we can step away and let you make your call. You feel ready?

[Brock]

As I'm ever gonna get. Let's do it.

[Jeffrey]

All right. Good luck. We'll be here waiting to jump in if you need us. Here we go.

[Brock]

Hello? Hey, Chloe, what's up? Hello? Who is this? Hey, it's me. It's Brock. What's up? Oh. What number is this? Oh, I mean, I. I had to get a new phone because I dropped the other one and I accidentally kicked it into the lake, and so it's just a new one. And this has been a whole new drop. And, yeah, it was. I mean, I'm not the smoothest guy sometimes, but I got it replaced, and I had your number written down, and it's been this whole process. Complicated. How are the cats? How's husband and Jerry? So what are you feeling for? I don't know. I was just thinking, like, we haven't hung out in a hot minute, and, like, we go get some steak or something. What? I mean, maybe, like, you're down for seafood or, like, chicken or, like. I mean, whatever. I'm not picky. What about you and your ex?

[Jeffrey]

Oh.

[Brock]

Oh, no. Okay. What. What are you. What are you talking about? Okay, I swear, I saw a photo of you and your ex the day after Valentine's Day on your Instagram. What was that about? Hmm? What was. What was what about? Why were you posting photos of you and your ex? Whoa. Actually, funny story here. So you remember when you texted me to be your Valentine? Yeah. Well, okay, same day. It's funny. My ex also texted me with some crybaby sob story about how she missed me and she wished that we could spend, you know, Valentine's together. Okay. And, I mean, you know, stupid me, right? Dumb idiot. Hello? Brock, I fell for it. And I. I ended up spending that night with her.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Brock]

Oh, but you saw me earlier that night. Look, it's like I was under her spell. You can't blame me for that, right? Like, this. It wasn't my fault. What exactly is this? Like, what do you want from me now? Okay, basically, she reeled me in and she dumped me for a second time. Oh, you don't say.

[Jeffrey]

No.

[Brock]

Yeah. Yeah, and, like, I just. I just realized, like, the error of her ways. Like, I. I just think we should continue where we left off. Oh, my God. Oh, you were so such an idiot.

[Brooke]

Everything that could have been said wrong was.

[Brock]

Brock, who are these people? What's going on? I needed some help.

[Jeffrey]

Brock, I. I think you need to be quiet for a second and let

[Brooke]

us step in here for a Couple years, maybe.

[Brock]

Because.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, Chloe, you're on a radio show right now. It's called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Brooke]

Wow.

[Brock]

Okay. Do I, like, win something for going out with a Sleuther or.

[Jeffrey]

That's a little harsh.

[Brooke]

I mean, can't we just stick with idiot? That's, like, a fun thing to call.

[Brock]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Look, the reason that we're calling you is this is something called an awkward Tuesday phone call. Brock reached out because he feels terrible about how things played out, the decisions that were made. He just wishes that he could go back in, erase the past two weeks of his life.

[Brooke]

He's very regretful for hooking back up with his ex.

[Brock]

You guys should have done this. Like, you are way better at this than I am.

[Brooke]

Well, Brooke, you included way too many details. Like especially the one where why your ex dumped you again. Well, I like that. It's not my fault.

[Jeffrey]

To be fair, you did say come completely clean. Brooke, as your advice.

[Brooke]

You didn't take ownership of anything, Brock.

[Jeffrey]

That's a good point, Brock.

[Brock]

I mean, it's not my fault. Like, she played me. What was that supposed to do?

[Jeffrey]

Well, the ownership is you made the decision to get back with her. And I'm sure that Chloe feels absolutely horrible about that. Right, Chloe? Yeah.

[Brock]

I don't. I have no sympathy for him. Literally zero.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow.

[Brock]

I mean, you should, though, because you were robbed of this experience, too.

[Brooke]

Oh, they're both victims.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. You were both duped by your devious ex girlfriend trying to get in the middle of you two and break you two up. You can't let her get away with that.

[Brooke]

That's spin.

[Brock]

Can I go now?

[Brooke]

What?

[Brock]

I mean, no.

[Jeffrey]

We can.

[Brock]

We can definitely go out. Like. Like I said, steak or chicken or seafood or whatever.

[Jeffrey]

You've given all the menu options.

[Brooke]

We know, Brock.

[Brock]

That's great.

[Brooke]

Chloe, were you ever excited about Brock? Like, before the ex, I mean?

[Brock]

Yeah, we were in the, like, having fun stage.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brock]

Yeah, we had fun together. I mean, I can forget everything if. You can.

[Nancy Glass]

Of course.

[Jeffrey]

So big of.

[Brooke]

So big of that.

[Jeffrey]

That's quite an offer. Chloe, what do you think? Are you fully moved on from Brock, or is there any part of you that wants to just give him, like, one more chance? Just meet up with him like his ex did? She wanted him back.

[Brock]

Are you seriously asking me that?

[Brooke]

No.

[Brock]

Thank you.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

I think this has been very clear from the very beginning.

[Jeffrey]

It's sounding like you're not buying what Brock is putting down.

[Brock]

Chloe, you're okay with missing out on all of this because of her.

[Jeffrey]

What the.

[Brooke]

Why do I imagine him pointing to his own body?

[Jeffrey]

You're going to miss out on so much. All the steak and the chicken and the seafood.

[Brock]

Don't forget the seafood. Oh, man.

[Jeffrey]

No one else can offer that. All the cuisines.

[Brock]

I said no. And I couldn't be any clearer.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Brock]

Goodbye, Brock.

[Jeffrey]

All right.

[Brooke]

Those are very, very clear boundaries. Yes.

[Jeffrey]

How you doing, man?

[Brock]

I. Awkward. I guess.

[Jeffrey]

I understand. I am awkward. Very. I am so sorry about Brooke's advice. If you had gotten something else, you

[Brooke]

would have been able to pull that by. Advice? I didn't tell him to go into details about how he hung out with both of them on the same night.

[Brock]

I took the higher road for the first time and that obviously didn't work out.

[Brooke]

I think you tried to gaslight at the beginning, but she caught on.

[Jeffrey]

Well, remember, we learned experts say there's less than a 5% chance that getting back with Chloe would be a good idea.

[Brock]

I mean, this point in time, I'm gonna take my odds with my ex.

[Brooke]

You don't have that option on the table, Brock.

[Jeffrey]

She takes you back again.

[Brock]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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[Brock]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brock]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

I would laugh if he said that to me. That would be so ridiculous.

[Jeffrey]

Well, my ex never had any issues taking out the trash, so maybe I'll go talk to him.

[Brooke]

Yeah. First side of the hell. Healthy relationship, Jeff.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, unfortunately, she already knew that he was kind of back with his ex, so it was kind of doomed from the start of that call.

[Brooke]

I feel like Chloe could be like some sort of research model of how to handle a guy like this. She did so well.

[Jeffrey]

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[Brock]

Oh, yeah.

[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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