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Jeff
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Alicia
Hey, look at that.
Brooke
Disney's subscribe Second Date podcast. Get out of here. Sorry, he's prepping for tomorrow. It's our big Halloween show tomorrow. Lot of videos and pictures to film. But today, yes, on your second date update feed is a special Blind Love is Halloween edition. A lot of funny Halloween questions these guys asked. So we're gonna get to that in just a minute, but what do you got on the comments? Well, the last time we tried, you know, something like this, Malin commented. Wow, bravo to you guys for trying new things. But dang, this was a hot mess. Oh, I feel like that might be what happens again today. Yeah, maybe it got a little better. Maybe a little worse. We're gonna hear from you.
Jeff
Hopefully.
Brooke
The comment section. Me. We love it.
Jeff
Hi, Mein. I talked to you on the text board. She's everywhere. Okay, there we go.
Brooke
She is.
Alexis
I love it.
Mario Lopez
I love it.
Brooke
Your Halloween edition Blind Love is starts right now.
Jeff
They say no risk, no reward.
Brooke
Oh, okay, Jeff.
Jeff
That's why whenever Brooke accidentally drops half a Reese's cup into the garbage disposal. Yeah.
Alexis
Reach your hand down in there.
Alicia
Get it? Yeah.
Jeff
She doesn't even hit the off button. She just reaches right on down to grab it.
Mario Lopez
Did you?
Brooke
I'm built tough, Alexis. I don't think it's not still good.
Jeff
Absolutely it is. Absolutely. Every second matters, or else it gets chopped up. And a few of our listeners are about to take a massive risk by agreeing to come on our show in the middle of the Hallows of Hauntober. And they're hoping to score their own fun size treat. A chance at true love.
Brooke
Aw, that's sweet.
Jeff
We've got a few potential matches lined up. Ready to be bewitched in a special Halloween edition of. Blind Love Is. We'll do it right after this. It's not a good idea to be all alone on Halloween. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And I mean that in the most non serial killer way possible.
Alexis
Really?
Brooke
Because you said it in the most serial killer way possible.
Jeff
It's just my voice. Truly, though, we don't want our listeners spending the most terrifying night of the year all by themselves. That's why today we got to try a special Halloween edition of Of Blind Love is Two of our listeners who've never met each other before, never seen one another, never heard their voices, will be monster mashed together right here on our show for the first Time to have a flirtatious little seance of the heart and we'll find out if it's true love at first fright. Okay, Alexis, you want more puns or should we get you?
Brooke
I said I liked one and now I'm down.
Jeff
Okay, so we've got two listeners waiting on hold. I know we tend to think that this show is all about about us, but when they're on, we need to stay quiet.
Brooke
Okay, well, you've been talking for the last five minutes.
Jeff
This is our part of the show where we can talk, but when the listeners, we need to let it happen. And we have encouraged them to ask Halloween themed questions.
Brooke
Yeah, that's fun. I like that.
Jeff
So we'll jump in to discuss afterwards, but yes, we do want to match multiple couples up here, so we're gonna go really quickly again.
Brooke
You can just get to it.
Alicia
None of us are talking first.
Jeff
Monster mashup we've got. Good job. You got it in, Jose. Now we're moving. We got. We got Martin and Alicia on the phone. Martin, are you there?
Martin
Hey, it's me. Martin.
Jeff
All right, Martin, thank you for identifying yourself. We're going to step away right now. You can go ahead and say hi to your potential future forever. Alicia.
Alicia
Wow, way to make it frightening.
Brooke
Alicia.
Martin
Hey, Alicia. Yes.
Alicia
Hi. Hey. Hello.
Brooke
Strong.
Jeff
Remember, no talk.
Martin
Nice to meet you.
Alicia
Nice to meet you too. How's it going?
Martin
Good. So I love Halloween, one of my favorite holidays. How about you?
Alicia
I like Halloween too, but like, my mom still makes me text her a photo of my costume before I go out.
Martin
Really?
Alicia
I'm 29, so yeah, I don't know. It's complicated, I guess.
Martin
Okay, I like that. It sounds like your parents really care about you. Okay, so here's a Halloween question for you. You wake up the morning after Halloween. What candy wrapper is all over your bed? And who do you blame?
Alicia
Oh, probably KitKats. Oh, and I blame my dentist because he told me to cut back on sweets and now it's all I think about when I'm lonely.
Brooke
Oh, let's see.
Alicia
Reverse allergy.
Martin
Ok. Okay.
Alicia
You don't think about chocolate too when you're by yourself?
Jeff
So many people do.
Alicia
Same girl.
Jeff
I know. Brooke.
Alicia
Okay, so here's my question for you.
Jeff
Keep it moving. Yeah, sorry.
Alicia
Let's say that you and I are a couple and you can invite one famous monster to our Halloween party. Who's coming and what drink are they bringing?
Brooke
Oh, okay.
Martin
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. I guess the mummy.
Alicia
Okay. Why?
Martin
So this is gonna. This isn't gonna sound awkward, but whenever my friends come over, they always mention I'm out of toilet paper. So if he's there, then at least we'd have some backup.
Alicia
No.
Brooke
Wait, you can't even stock your own toilet.
Alicia
Wait, are you being. Are you being serious?
Martin
Yeah. Yeah, I am. Maybe overshared on that, but yeah.
Alicia
No, no, it's okay. It's okay. I mean, that's kind of cute. Like, I. I run out of toilet paper too. You know, use it a lot.
Brooke
It's a red flag, I'm gonna tell you.
Jeff
Sweet.
Martin
You do?
Alicia
Not really, but I didn't want you to feel alone, so I kind of.
Jeff
Just said that was nice.
Alexis
Okay.
Martin
Okay.
Jeff
You guys are doing a great job. This is so romantic. Keep going.
Martin
Would you rather make out in a haunted house or slow dance in a graveyard at midnight?
Alicia
Wow, that's a great question. I'd probably. I'd probably go graveyard. Oh, yeah. Quieter. And honestly, I liked you better in low lighting.
Jeff
Great answer.
Brooke
Haunted houses are so bright.
Martin
What do you mean by that?
Alicia
I don't know. I mean, if I'm being truthful, I think, like, I'm a solid seven at night, but like a five during the day.
Brooke
I feel that.
Alicia
Okay, relatable, but like a fun five, you know? Like. Like I still like to do things a seven would do.
Jeff
Fun five.
Brooke
Five.
Jeff
Oh, okay.
Martin
Okay.
Jeff
There's a difference.
Martin
Not totally sure what's going on.
Jeff
Yeah. Okay, guys, this is Jeff here. So I don't want to like, ruin the spooky mood or anything, but we only have time for one more Halloween question, so if one of you. Yeah, make. Make this your best question.
Alicia
Okay, I have one. What's the most ridiculous thing that's ever scared you on Halloween?
Brooke
That's cute.
Mario Lopez
These are good questions.
Martin
I live in an apartment and I never really get trick or treaters, but on one Halloween, there was a knock on my door around 8 and a 6 year old was dressed as Bud Lightyear.
Alicia
Okay, and that scared you, right?
Martin
Yeah, well, he ran straight at me, yelling to infinity and beyond. And then that startled me. Then I screamed so loud my neighbors checked to see if I was being robbed.
Jeff
Okay, maybe we should jump in here.
Brooke
Maybe he should order some toilet paper. Yeah, I'm really concerned about that fact of his life. Yeah.
Jeff
Okay, well, that's. That's a fair thing to worry about, but let's put them on hold for.
Martin
A second before you put me on hold. The toilet paper thing doesn't happen all the Time. It's just some of the time.
Jeff
Okay, got it. All right. I think he was setting up his joke about the mummy.
Brooke
Morning.
Jeff
Yeah, I know. Thank you for clarifying.
Martin
That was.
Jeff
That was important.
Martin
Okay.
Jeff
We do have another potential Halloween couple waiting to get together, so we need to make a decision pretty quickly here. Just going off the text at 78592. The reaction is slightly positive.
Brooke
I think that they could start a good. They could go out. She was understanding about the toilet paper thing. I mean, like, to me, it obviously meant he hasn't washed his bed sheets in at least two months, but okay. To her, she was okay with it.
Jeff
To me, it was a joke.
Brooke
There's truth behind every joke.
Jeff
Yeah, you know, that's.
Brooke
That's.
Jeff
That's a good point. But the room is supportive of them meeting one more time. It sounds like maybe not on our show.
Brooke
Okay, I don't need to hear.
Jeff
You don't want to hear that anymore. But do it on their own time. Yeah. Okay. Well, Martin, if you feel like asking her out, this is the time. If you want to pass on it, that's okay, too. It's all up to you.
Martin
Okay. Alicia, would you like to go out sometime?
Alicia
Oh, yeah, I'm down to do that.
Brooke
Okay. She's gonna ghost him. I can tell by her voice.
Jeff
All right, well, we'll exchange numbers between you two and whatever happens, happens.
Alicia
Yeah, okay.
Brooke
It's not gonna happen.
Jeff
That felt good.
Alicia
Okay, I'm excited.
Jeff
Keep us updated on what happens or what probably doesn't happen, but we're gonna continue with a brand new couple for more Halloween. Blind Love is when we come back right after this. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning, and we're in the middle of a very special, special Halloween edition of Blind Love Is.
Brooke
It's going pretty well so far.
Jeff
Yeah. We're pairing up listeners to meet for the very first time here on our show, seeing if maybe they have what it takes to be each other's boo.
Brooke
Hey, I like what you do there.
Jeff
And if you missed the first part, we've already successfully matched Martin and Alicia. I use successful in the most loose interpretation of that word imaginable. But this is a double, double toil and couple edition. You're going to try to match a single second pair of listeners right now. And since it's spooky season, just like last time, we've told them all their questions. Must be one, Halloween themed and two, steamy enough to make Brooke blush.
Brooke
That takes a lot of steam.
Jeff
We'll find out. Let's get right to it because we got a brand new guy on the phone. His name is Brian. Brian, you ready to fall in love while your mom listens in?
Alicia
Oh, God, that's creepy.
Jeff
That's the point. She might be listening right now. Just keep that in the back of your head. But we've matched you up with a woman named Nikki. So we're gonna step away, we're gonna stay quiet as you go ahead and say hello to your future. Maybe forever. All right, she's there. Go ahead.
Alicia
Oh, okay, good. Hey. Hey, Nikki. Nice to meet you. So quick. Quick question.
Jeff
So you should probably let us. Probably let her say hi.
Alicia
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm all right. Hey, Nikki. How are you? I am well. How are you?
Jeff
Okay, okay, you've heard Nikki. Off to a good start.
Alicia
Like the voice. Nice to meet you.
Jeff
And now he's just gonna go back to.
Brooke
Is that a question?
Alicia
Okay, okay, okay. All right, I got. Let me stop. All right, so if you're watching scary movies alone, are. Are you good with that, or do you have, like 15 stuffed animals around you or something? No, no, I. I love scary movies. I can watch them alone. I don't need any protection.
Alexis
Wow.
Jeff
Oh, my gosh.
Alicia
I do like to put the subtitles on so I can kind of know what's happening. Like, it'll tell you beforehand. Like, clown jumped out of closet or.
Brooke
That's such a good hack. So you never get the jump skin.
Jeff
Interesting.
Alicia
Yeah. Okay, that's. That's adorable. That's adorable. Hey, do you have any nightmares, though, from any movies you watch? No, not really.
Brooke
She's tough.
Alicia
Well, I mean, really, real quick story. One time I had a dream that Michael Myers was chasing me through, of all places, Costco.
Brooke
That's scary.
Alexis
Yeah.
Alicia
And, I mean, what's crazy? It was. It was very realistic. I remember I was behind. Behind the rotisserie chick, and it was just weird. It was a smell, and it was like you just had to be there. It was. It was just. It was. It was funny.
Jeff
Interesting. Okay, if you're just joining us, we're in the middle of a Halloween edition of Blind Love is pairing up two of our listeners who've never met before, never seen each other before, to see if a true love connection comes out just in time for Halloween. So, I'm sorry. Keep going with your conversation. You're doing great there, Brian.
Alicia
Okay, Nikki, if you could hook up with a fictional monster, who would it be?
Mario Lopez
Oh, wow, good question.
Alicia
A fictional monster. Okay. Wow. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm really not that kind of girl. So I.
Jeff
Really.
Alicia
What do you mean, not that kind of girl? Like, looking up, you know, like, okay, before I hook up with anybody monster or anything, I have to have been on, like, three dates with that person.
Jeff
It's a hypothetical. All right, I got you.
Martin
Okay. All right.
Jeff
Let them cook.
Alicia
Okay, but. Okay, so. All right, so to answer the question. Let me think, let me think. Maybe Frankenstein. Oh, you like the doctor or the monster?
Jeff
Great question.
Alicia
The monster. I mean, he seemed like he was actually, like, he would listen and be kind, you know, like, just seemed misunderstood.
Brooke
And tall, very tall.
Jeff
That's good. It's true.
Alicia
All right, last question. If I got turned into a zombie, would you save me? Or you'd be like, forget it. I'm going on full survival.
Jeff
Oh, what a good question.
Alicia
I'll keep you as a zombie, but I will keep you tied up in the basement.
Jeff
Whoa. Hey, wait a minute. Contain zombie.
Brooke
That sounds creepy.
Alicia
Okay, so wait, you'll tie me up? I mean, while I'm doing laundry, you could be down there, keep me company, have conversations, things like that. You never know.
Jeff
All right, maybe we need to jump in here. What soap should we use? Gain? Yeah, could be kind of useful, actually. Coming around on the idea, but that was it.
Brooke
Didn't feel as good. Like, as flowy as chemistry. A lot of Brian, not a lot of Alicia questions.
Jeff
Maybe real quick, Alicia, do you have any questions for Brian Halloween wise? Because we didn't really get to hear any from you.
Alicia
Well, I enjoyed this Costco story about, you know, me being in a dream, so, I mean, honestly, no.
Jeff
No questions. All right. She is sold. She likes what she's hearing about Costco.
Brooke
I'm sure Mike Myers would get distracted by one of those samples and you could easily make a getaway.
Jeff
So could you see the two of them going out in the real world and having fun together, like at a Halloween party or at a Costco this weekend?
Brooke
Yeah, I could see it. I mean, especially since she was okay not asking any questions and just letting Brian talk.
Jeff
Yeah, you know, I could see them as friends hanging out at Costco.
Martin
Okay.
Jeff
Alexis.
Brooke
Yeah, I'm kind of the same. It was kind of. Yeah, it sounds like if they go to Costco, it'll get romantic. It could be kind of.
Jeff
What I heard sparks were not flying, but sparks could be there. The tech sports kind of in the same place, kind of split down the middle. They could see this going either way, so. Brian, it's really going to be up to you, man. I like how we Went through all the options and it's finally. We don't know Brian again. That's right. Well, I mean, it is technically up to both of them. She would have to say yes, I know, but we're gonna let Brian lead the charge. If you want to do this, go for it. Brian, if you want to pass, that's.
Alicia
Okay too, because I never seen it before. I'm just kind of curious. Oh, Nikki, is there one Halloween costume that you look most like? Looks most like you.
Brooke
Oh, interesting.
Jeff
Oh, you're trying to get a visual.
Alicia
Yeah, exactly. I want to get a visual.
Jeff
You can answer that if you want to. This is supposed to be Blind Love, but whatever he wants. A little bit of a peek. Look like poison ivy or.
Alicia
I'm going to answer. Okay. Maybe like a very shapely, younger Judge Judy.
Brooke
What?
Jeff
Oh, a young one.
Alicia
Wait, I actually. I'm really into that.
Alexis
Oh, when can we hang out?
Jeff
Did you just say when can we hang out?
Alicia
Yes, when can we hang out? Okay.
Jeff
All right.
Alicia
I am free tomorrow. I am free tomorrow.
Jeff
Nikki's into this. All right. Perfect for Halloween. Well, that would be a successful addition then of Blind Love is Halloween style.
Alexis
Yeah.
Brooke
Courtroom adjourned. Jeff, let's go.
Jeff
Careful, you're gonna turn Brian on too much. Yeah. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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Well, young, voluptuous Judge Judy, that's. That's an image that's going to be hard to get out of my head for a while. Yeah, all of us.
Martin
Yeah.
Jeff
I don't know.
Alexis
Good for her.
Jeff
Yeah. I don't know how that came to her head. She had that, like, locked and ready to go.
Brooke
Yeah, she did. I feel like someone's told her it before.
Jeff
Yeah.
Alexis
And.
Brooke
Or it's worked on other guys because he was down for it.
Alexis
Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff
That was the weirdest part. Yeah.
Brooke
Guys like a woman in charge sometimes, you know? And Judge Judy is definitely that.
Jeff
Okay, I didn't want to say this, but I have seen a picture of her without the robot. Real Judge Judy.
Martin
Yes.
Jeff
And she got a dumper. It's a known thing on the Internet. She got a thing back there. I didn't want to tag along, but honestly, I kind of with. Okay, okay.
Alicia
And she got.
Jeff
All right. She sure does. It's more of a flex than I thought.
Brooke
You kept quiet during that.
Jeff
Google it.
Brooke
Guys, guys. I'm jumping on Google it.
Jeff
Everybody is. I. I wasn't sure, honestly, if any of those couples really had a strong connection. I thought of maybe it was just the power of Halloween. And. And you'll just want to make out with anybody.
Alicia
It's true.
Jeff
Doesn't hurt.
Brooke
Good for you.
Jeff
Yeah. Single.
Brooke
That's what it's for.
Jeff
Yeah, exactly. So if you're listening to this right now, just go make out with somebody. It's Halloween week. Thanks for being here. Make sure to hit subscribe. You can follow us on our socials because we got more hallow weirdness coming up in our big Halloween show. That's tomorrow, so stay tuned.
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Air Date: October 30, 2025
Podcast: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Theme: Special Halloween edition of "Blind Love Is?"—pairing up strangers for first-time blind dates with spooky, flirtatious, and funny Halloween-themed questions.
This festive episode brings Halloween spirit to the Second Date Update feed with a “Blind Love Is?” twist—two pairs of single listeners who have never met are matched and engage in light-hearted, Halloween-inspired getting-to-know-you games. The goal: Will a real connection spark, or will these first interactions be more trick than treat? The co-hosts (Brooke, Jeff, Alexis, and others) guide the segments with banter and commentary, while listeners get to eavesdrop on the dating attempts live on air.
[02:52 – 03:53]
Hosts explain the concept: listeners who’ve never met or even heard each other's voices will be matched in real-time.
Setting the tone with classic show banter and Halloween puns.
“Two of our listeners...never seen one another, never heard their voices, will be monster mashed together to have a flirtatious little seance of the heart...” – Jeff [04:52]
Emphasis is on fun, flirtation, and Halloween themes rather than serious matchmaking success.
[06:09 – 12:19]
"My mom still makes me text her a photo of my costume before I go out.” [06:46]
Candy Confessions ([07:01 – 07:30]):
Famous Monster Party Guest ([07:52 – 08:39]):
"I run out of toilet paper too... You know, use it a lot.” [08:43]
“I’m a solid seven at night, but like a five during the day. But a fun five.” – Alicia [09:36, 09:45]
“She was understanding about the toilet paper thing.” – Brooke [11:21]
[13:19 – 20:19]
[21:35 – 22:39]
“Well, young, voluptuous Judge Judy—that’s an image that’s going to be hard to get out of my head for a while.” – Jeff [21:35] “Guys like a woman in charge sometimes, and Judge Judy is definitely that.” – Brooke [21:57]
Brooke on Halloween pairings:
“It’s not a good idea to be all alone on Halloween. And I mean that in the most non-serial-killer way possible.” [04:48]
Alicia, on her self-image:
“I’m a solid seven at night, but like a five during the day. But a fun five, you know? Like I still like to do things a seven would do.” [09:36, 09:45]
Martin’s awkward confession:
“Whenever my friends come over, they always mention I’m out of toilet paper. So if the mummy’s there, at least we’d have some backup.” [08:16]
Nikki’s honest monster answer:
“He seemed like he would listen and be kind... just seemed misunderstood.” – Nikki on Frankenstein’s monster [16:50]
Brian, totally in on Nikki’s “Judge Judy”:
“Wait, I actually... I’m really into that.” [19:54]
Jeff (hosts’ meta commentary):
“That was the weirdest part. Guys like a woman in charge sometimes, and Judge Judy is definitely that.” [21:54, Brooke attribution]
The episode is lighthearted, self-deprecating, and filled with witty commentary, groan-worthy puns, and the playful teasing signature to the Brooke and Jeffrey show. The hosts strike a balance between poking fun at the awkwardness and supporting their matchmaking “victims.” The Halloween angle amps up the fun and allows for sillier, bolder questions.
This episode blends Halloween antics with dating dares, forging spontaneous connections between strangers. It’s high on laughs, low on actual romance, but provides ample entertainment through candid, quirky exchanges and the hosts’ relatable banter. Halloween may be about ghosts, but Brooke and Jeffrey prove that sometimes, the scariest thing of all is a first date.