Second Date Update: 15 Minutes Of Lame

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey - Second Date Update: "15 Minutes Of Lame"

Date: April 3, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update" explores one of the shortest first dates in show history—a date that lasted barely 15 minutes before crashing and burning. Through a signature mix of humor and candid inquiry, the hosts dive into what went wrong between Jason, a self-proclaimed "solid six," and Riley, who abruptly called off their outing before it even really began. The conversation centers on dating expectations, communication mishaps, and just how much planning (or lack thereof) can doom a budding romance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jason’s Return: “The Solid Six” Saga

• Jason’s Background (03:41–05:48):
  • Jason, claiming to be a returning participant, regales the hosts with how he previously was on Second Date Update regarding another date fiasco. He reveals he struggled with being too agreeable in the past, leading to a breakup over a disagreement about a dog’s name.
  • Quote (05:27, Jason): "No, you're not naming the dog Spinner."
  • The hosts tease him for listening to their advice “too literally,” pointing out the fine line between assertiveness and being a jerk.

2. “World Record For Shortest Date”

• The 15-Minute Date (06:39–09:29):
  • Jason describes planning a full day with new date Riley. But barely ten minutes into their car ride, Riley calls off the date, asking to return home without explanation.
  • Quote (06:44, Brooke): "Whoa. That’s not good."
  • Jason wonders if she found him unattractive, but there are also playful, dark jokes (e.g., “Did she see duct tape and a shovel in the back seat?” 07:19, Brooke), playing off true crime tropes.
  • He admits to buying Riley flowers—left abandoned in the backseat.
  • Quote (08:45, Jason): “I bought her flowers, and she just, like, she just threw them in the backseat of the car, got out, left them.”

3. Self-Esteem, Looks, and First Impressions

• Group Banter (09:00–10:20):
  • Hosts discuss attractiveness expectations. Jason calls himself a “solid six”; the group both jokes and reassures him.
  • Quote (09:03, Jason): “Yeah, I’m a solid six.”
  • Joking rating systems (“New York six or Idaho six?”) and playful banter help diffuse the tension.

4. Riley’s Side of the Story

• Getting Riley On The Phone (11:45–14:51):
  • Riley reveals her reason: Jason failed to make a dinner reservation, suggesting they “just stand outside and do small talk” during the Friday night wait. This lack of basic planning was perceived as not valuing her time.
  • Quote (13:23, Riley): “He’s like, you know, it's fine. We can just stand outside and do, like, small talk.”
  • Attempts to salvage the plan (going for a drink nearby, etc.) fell flat; she felt he lacked adult foresight and effort.
  • Quote (13:54, Riley): "I don't want my time wasted. Like, I don't know why you think, like, I can just stand outside for 45 minutes. It's a Friday night. Like, I'd rather hang out with my friends."

5. Direct Conversation: Jason and Riley Face-to-Face

• The Core Issue and Mismatched Vibes (15:07–17:18):

  • Jason asks Riley if the real issue was his looks; Riley clarifies it was his lack of planning, not his appearance.
  • Quote (16:08, Riley): “We're adults. That's not a thing. You're not going to waste my Friday night with just vibes.”
  • Jason defends his “go with the flow” attitude but acknowledges there were miscommunications.

• Attempt at Reconciliation (16:54–18:45):

  • Jason tries to pivot: “If I’ve made reservations this time, are you in to go?”
  • Riley is put off by Jason’s self-deprecating jokes and apparent self-esteem issues.
  • Quote (17:06, Riley): "I don't know, I think you have a lot of self esteem issues going on."
  • Jason again refers to himself as a “solid six” and jokes about them being “a good match” because she’s “around the same area.”
  • Quote (18:09, Jason): “It's a good match. You know, we're both not classically attractive.”
  • Riley declines another date, despite the hosts offering to pay and handle reservations.

6. Post-Mortem and Takeaways

• Hosts Deconstruct (21:20–22:42):
  • The team debates whether Riley overreacted by ending the date instead of being flexible or if Jason’s lack of preparation was a justified dealbreaker.
  • Quote (21:40, Brooke): "Okay, I gotta say, she was a little justified… If you’re on the way to a nice date and the person tells you on the way, no, I didn’t make a reservation and you know you’re gonna have to stand outside for two hours… I’d be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."
  • They also laugh about how the story is now immortalized, dubbing Jason "Jason the Six" for future reference.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On assertiveness gone wrong:
  • Jason (05:27): "No, you're not naming the dog Spinner."
• On failed first impressions:
  • Jason (08:45): “I bought her flowers, and she just, like, she just threw them in the backseat of the car, got out, left them.”
• On planning expectations:
  • Riley (13:23): “He’s like, you know, it’s fine. We can just stand outside and do, like, small talk.”
• On ‘vibes’ as a plan:
  • Jason (15:58): "The plan was just called vibes—you know what I mean?"
  • Riley (16:08): "We're adults. That's not a thing. You're not going to waste my Friday night with just vibes."
• On self-esteem and compatibility:
  • Jason (17:06): “I know exactly where I sit. I’m a solid six.”
  • Jason (18:09): "You know, we're both not classically attractive."
  • Riley (18:28, sarcastic): "It's definitely the most romantic thing I've ever heard."
• On ghosting etiquette:
  • Jeffrey (21:33): “Or was she justified in telling him to turn around the car?”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:41] – Jason’s call-in and background
• [06:39] – Jason describes the 15-minute date
• [11:45] – Riley joins the conversation
• [13:23] – Riley details the lack of dinner reservation
• [14:51] – Riley’s candid feedback
• [16:08] – Riley’s “We’re adults; vibes isn’t a plan” moment
• [18:32] – Riley’s definitive rejection of another date
• [21:20] – Hosts analyze and discuss larger dating lessons

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Final Notes & Tone

• Tone: Playful, self-deprecating, and rooted in real-life dating frustrations. The hosts keep things light but aren’t afraid to dissect awkward moments or challenge their guests with tough (sometimes silly) questions.
• Takeaway: Small logistical mistakes—especially ones that suggest a lack of effort—can be enough to tank a first date in today’s swipe-driven world. Self-awareness and a little preparation can go a long way, but so can the ability to laugh at yourself when it all goes wrong.

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Transcript

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Laura Owens]

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[Riley]

Correct.

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jason]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Lori Siegel]

It must have been okay.

[Riley]

I don't think that's true.

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[Co-host Brooke]

Hey, this may be a world record. Welcome to the brand new second date podcast today. World record, Jeffrey. Yeah. For the shortest date we've heard.

[Laura Owens]

Ooh.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Laura Owens]

That kind of record.

[Jeffrey]

Yep.

[Co-host Brooke]

Ten minutes in, she's like, take me home. Yeah, yeah. We're gonn find out why, because the guy doesn't know either. Coming up here in a second. But first, let's start with comments.

[Laura Owens]

Well, kind of the opposite of a short date. John said, I once got lost on a hike on a date, and we were lost for like three hours, almost got ran over by a horse, and then went to Waffle House. And now we've been married for five years. Look at that.

[Brooke]

All right, after the helicopter came and saved you.

[Laura Owens]

Yeah.

[Co-host Brooke]

Where does a horse come in?

[Laura Owens]

I don't know. Or the Waffle House.

[Brooke]

Yeah, Waffle House on this.

[Laura Owens]

I have so many.

[Co-host Brooke]

Starting to think he was just in

[Laura Owens]

a field in the suburbs somewhere.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Co-host Brooke]

All right. Hey, thank you for sharing your story. I love it. We got your brand new second date episode. Starting right now.

[Lori Siegel]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

Today we have a quote unquote returning listener. Oh, his name is Jason. Why quote unquote, he says he's been on the show before for this very segment.

[Co-host Brooke]

And you don't believe him?

[Jeffrey]

Well, I got to be honest. I looked back into the archives and I can't find his call anywhere. So was he really on the show? Is he making it up just to sound cool? Cuz that's totally what I would do. But I guess we might be forced to believe him. I mean, Jason, can you at least jog our memory and tell us what happened the last time that you supposedly were on with us?

[Jason]

You guys had me on twice.

[Co-host Brooke]

Wait, wait. Oh, wait, you were on more than once.

[Jason]

We did an update. Update.

[Co-host Brooke]

Did we just never air it because it wasn't very funny?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Are you a boring guy?

[Jason]

Well, I'll start from the beginning. That, Yeah, I was dating this girl Emily, and she said that she didn't want to go back out on a date with me because I had a hard time saying no. She wanted a guy that could push back more, stand up for his thoughts and opinions, and that's what you guys were helping me out with.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, so you went out with a woman who wanted her boyfriend to say no to her. Does that sound realistic?

[Brooke]

Brooke, he's just a pushover.

[Co-host Brooke]

Dude, I love a man who can make a choice. Yeah, indecision is one of the most unsexy traits.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. So you said you were on for an update? Update? That means you two were together. What happened?

[Jason]

Well, I started being able to stand up for myself from time to time, and we actually did end up dating for a little bit there.

[Co-host Brooke]

All right, so why. Why did it end?

[Jason]

Okay, she broke up with me because she got a dog and she wanted to name it Spinner. And taking your guys advice, I was like, no, that's a dumb name.

[Brooke]

Nobody told you to talk to people like that.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke, why would you tell him that a man should stand up to a woman? That's horrible.

[Co-host Brooke]

It's not your dog, B. That is kind of mean.

[Brooke]

It's a little aggressive. I mean.

[Jason]

No, I said you need to name an acute human name, like Kevin. Because that's, like, funny.

[Brooke]

Yeah, we love that.

[Laura Owens]

Get your own dog a name of Kevin.

[Jeffrey]

There we go.

[Jason]

Okay, well, that's kind of what she said. Well, anyway, I didn't back down, down. So I was like, no, you're not naming the dog Spinner. And she ended up breaking up with me.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow.

[Co-host Brooke]

I bet her and Spinner are really happy, though.

[Laura Owens]

For real?

[Jeffrey]

After you gave her exactly what she wanted. A guy that says no, and then she didn't like that.

[Brooke]

No to her own life decisions.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it's hard to decipher what women really want.

[Co-host Brooke]

It's not.

[Laura Owens]

So did you do that again to another girl?

[Lori Siegel]

Now?

[Co-host Brooke]

Is that. Is that why you're on the floor?

[Jason]

But good guess, because I am now dating a different girl. Her name is Riley.

[Jeffrey]

All right.

[Brooke]

Is that a stupid name? We gotta get that out of the way.

[Co-host Brooke]

It's a human name, so he's okay with it.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

You like her name?

[Jason]

Humans with human names are okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, That's a bold stance to take, but good for you.

[Jason]

Okay, so here's the problem. The date only lasted about 15 minutes.

[Brooke]

Whoa. That's not good.

[Co-host Brooke]

Do we even consider it a date at that point?

[Laura Owens]

Just a run in at that point.

[Brooke]

Did you plan on it being a quick date?

[Jason]

I planned a whole day. So I picked her up at her place and it just started like a normal date, you know? How's your day? Where are we going? Like, what's going on? Nice to meet you and stuff. And then all of a sudden we're barely 10 minutes down the road and she just says, I think it's best if we don't go out, actually.

[Brooke]

Oh, My God.

[Jeffrey]

Before you even get to the destination where you're driving to, that's trash.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, the AC barely got the car. Cool.

[Co-host Brooke]

Okay, did she see, like, duct tape and a shovel in the back seat and that's why she wanted to turn around?

[Brooke]

Yeah, she had to seem.

[Jason]

No, I kind of thought. I mean, I never tried to catfish everybody. All my pictures are current online. But I'm, like, thinking, okay, she probably got in the car, thought I was ugly, want to go back home.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, is that fair, Alexis? Does that happen a lot? Look, why are you laughing? Why are you. Why are you giggling about him thinking that he's ugly?

[Co-host Brooke]

Why would that be your first thought?

[Brooke]

Man, put that aside. I mean, if she didn't think you were ugly, what else, like, was. Anything else happened?

[Laura Owens]

That was Brooke shovel, duct tape.

[Jason]

No, I mean, I said that to her. I said, what do you mean? Like, you want to go back right now? And the only thing she gave me was that it just wasn't what she expected. Like, I mean, I don't know exactly what she meant by that, but she obviously want to talk about it.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. Did you use your. The lessons that you learned from before and say, no, you're staying in this car and we are going on this date?

[Co-host Brooke]

That's a great idea, Jeff.

[Jeffrey]

I think that's a romantic.

[Co-host Brooke]

I think it's kidnapping.

[Jason]

But, yeah, didn't quite go there. But I dropped her off, and that was kind of it.

[Jeffrey]

So maybe this isn't the best question to ask, but I need to know, was there a kiss? Okay, it'd be funny if they made out passionately. And then they left.

[Brooke]

He's like, oh, she spent the night.

[Jason]

No, no, no.

[Riley]

I brought her.

[Jason]

I bought her flowers, and she just, like, she just threw them in the backseat of the car, got out, left them. I texted her. No response. I guess I'm not shocked, but, like, I just want clarity.

[Co-host Brooke]

And it sounds like even if she did say ugly, you could take it.

[Jason]

I mean. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a solid six.

[Co-host Brooke]

There we go. All right. Okay, that's not bad.

[Brooke]

There you go.

[Co-host Brooke]

We can work with a six.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

You're more attractive than anybody in this room.

[Co-host Brooke]

That's right.

[Jeffrey]

Look how high Brook's voice is going.

[Brooke]

Like. Yeah, yeah, six isn't bad. That's actually really attractive.

[Jeffrey]

I believe you. All right, let's see what Riley has to say. If we can get her on the phone, we'll try and get you your second second date update on this show. Oh, yeah.

[Brooke]

Memorable guy. Super memorable. Jason, Remember him this time?

[Jeffrey]

Right after this. Hold on.

[Lori Siegel]

Then Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

If you're just joining us, we've got a return caller, Jason on the phone, who describes himself as a solid six, but is he a New York six or an Idaho six?

[Brooke]

Oh, we didn't ask that.

[Jeffrey]

Because they're in. Is a difference.

[Co-host Brooke]

There's somebody for Everybody. Even an Idaho 4 out there. All right, I got married.

[Jeffrey]

But he only brought up his own looks because after just 10 minutes of driving together, Jason's date suddenly changed her mind and said, actually, this isn't what I was expecting and she has to be taken home. So his thought was, well, maybe she just didn't think I was attractive enough in person.

[Brooke]

Like, she finally looked left 10 minutes into the drive and was like, oh,

[Co-host Brooke]

my gosh, what if it's not about him? What if she wasn't wearing the right outfit? You know, like, he explained what they were gonna do for the date, and she's like, I don't have tennis shoes.

[Brooke]

No, because she would have just said, hold on, let me run inside real quick. I'll be right back.

[Co-host Brooke]

He's trying to make it not about sad. Yeah, ugly.

[Brooke]

It's possible.

[Jeffrey]

Jason, have you considered that Riley hates herself a little bit?

[Brooke]

Wait, that's what you got?

[Jeffrey]

How she looks?

[Brooke]

Oh, now I get it.

[Jason]

Considering that I might hate myself a little bit now.

[Brooke]

Okay, good.

[Laura Owens]

Well, she's not going.

[Co-host Brooke]

You've been kidding, Guys.

[Jeffrey]

The thing is, he never got any specific answer on what was such a letdown. So that's what he's hoping to get today at a bare minimum, and then maybe we'll see where it goes from there.

[Brooke]

And this may be the first time the hope is that she thinks he's ugly.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we're hoping two people who both don't find themselves attractive could be meant for each other. That's the optimism that you wanted, right, Brooke?

[Co-host Brooke]

I just think she wasn't prepared for whatever he had planned that day. She was ugly. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, we can all hope for different things.

[Co-host Brooke]

Okay?

[Brooke]

She's mad. He's ugly.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Could be the perfect match. Okay, Jason, I'm going to call her here in a second, but real quick, how was she looking that night? Your opinion?

[Jason]

Better than a six? Pretty good.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Okay, there you go.

[Jeffrey]

I won't quote you directly on that, but yeah, let's dial her number and see what she has to say. Here we go.

[Riley]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, we're looking to speak with Riley.

[Riley]

Speaking.

[Jeffrey]

All right. Hey, Riley. This is a Radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. Welcome. Morning.

[Co-host Brooke]

Welcome to it. Riley.

[Riley]

Hi.

[Jason]

Hey.

[Jeffrey]

How you doing?

[Riley]

I'm sorry, who is this?

[Jeffrey]

That hurts every time.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I thought we were gaining momentum.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but no, we're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning, and this is a segment that we do called the Second Date Update.

[Jason]

Okay, I know you're not a woman

[Jeffrey]

who likes her time to be wasted, so I'm gonna get right to this point.

[Co-host Brooke]

Je.

[Jeffrey]

You went out with a listener of our show, a guy named Jason, and he told us the date didn't go how he thought it was gonna go.

[Co-host Brooke]

It didn't really go at all.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Is that a fair assumption?

[Riley]

We didn't really go out.

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah, right.

[Brooke]

We're sorry about that. That sucks, huh?

[Riley]

No, not really.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, right. We heard it was your idea to not continue the date, but Jason is a little bit confused on why you felt that way.

[Riley]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how he could be, but.

[Co-host Brooke]

Really? You think it's something that obvious?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Riley]

I mean, we were in the car, and he said, we're going to this restaurant. I know the restaurant. I like the restaurant. And then when I'm in the car, he's like, oh, I didn't make a reservation. And I was like, you know, it's a busy night. Like, you probably should have made a reservation. He's like, oh, well, I don't know any other restaurants in the area. Okay, but we have phones, so just Google. But he's like, you know, it's fine. We can just stand outside and do, like, small talk.

[Co-host Brooke]

Oh.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's an awful backup plan. Like, when you need to adjust, you know, he should have.

[Co-host Brooke]

It's done.

[Laura Owens]

Better just planning. Before you even get to the restaurant, though.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke, what's going through your mind? I'm curious.

[Co-host Brooke]

It sounds like an argument. You have, like, three years into a relationship.

[Brooke]

Yeah, so it's a good sign.

[Co-host Brooke]

Oh, you didn't make reservations. Of course you didn't. You never put any effort into these.

[Jeffrey]

You know what?

[Brooke]

That's it. Bill, turn the car around.

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

So Brooke's saying it sounds like you belong together.

[Riley]

Oh, gosh. We absolutely don't.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Riley]

I don't want my time wasted. Like, I don't know why you think, like, I can just stand outside for 45 minutes. It's a Friday night. Like, I'd rather hang out with my friends.

[Co-host Brooke]

Maybe he just misspoke. You know? Maybe he meant, like, we'd go to a bar. We'll walk down the street and see if there's something else while we wait.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but I can.

[Riley]

I said that. And he then clarified. I was like, oh, you mean like get, you know, a drink and something or somewhere next door. And he was like, no, we can just stand outside so we don't miss our name.

[Brooke]

Oh, for this, for the table.

[Co-host Brooke]

He sounds like a type of person that arrives five hours early for a flight.

[Jeffrey]

I can understand how that would be a red flag for Riley where he doesn't plan ahead enough and she's feeling like he doesn't value her time.

[Co-host Brooke]

But that's a fix. I mean, why wouldn't you make that clear to him in that point? Like, hey, it doesn't feel like you really care about your time with me.

[Riley]

Well, I did say I. I don't think we're a good fit. Do you mind just dropping me back off? And he said, fine, so. Thought it was clear.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, we value your time very much, and that's why we don't want to waste any more of your time and letting you know that Jason is listening to this phone call right now. He's actually been on it the entire time and wants to talk to you.

[Jason]

What?

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Y. Jason, are you there?

[Jason]

Hey, Riley.

[Riley]

Hey.

[Jason]

Are you just making all that stuff up because you think I'm ugly and you're not trying to hurt my feelings? Oh, wait.

[Brooke]

Oh, damn.

[Jeffrey]

Sticking to his first theory.

[Co-host Brooke]

Why would you say that, Jason? That's not what she said at all.

[Jason]

I was just. Is it illegal to ask?

[Co-host Brooke]

It sounds like it's something that's in your head a lot.

[Jeffrey]

Well, this is good to get it out of the way. Do you find Jason attractive or not? Riley?

[Riley]

I mean, I wouldn't have gone on the date if I didn't find you attractive. I was interested, but your lack of planning just felt like you didn't care and you just thought you could. You know, it seemed kind of arrogant.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, she's mad about you not having a full plan. It sounds like.

[Jason]

No, it's not that I didn't have a plan. The plan was just called vibes. You know what I mean?

[Brooke]

Just be together.

[Jeffrey]

You're a gold flow guy.

[Riley]

We're adults. That's not a thing. You're not going to waste my Friday night night with just vibes.

[Brooke]

Different personality types for sure here.

[Co-host Brooke]

But why didn't you pivot and say, oh, shoot, we have a 45 minute wait. Let's pop by next door and discover a new spot.

[Jason]

If we got there and there Was like a place next door, you know? I wouldn't say that I was opposed to that necessarily. I just thought it'd be better to make sure that our name could. We could hear our name. Because what if we missed it all together? That'd be bad.

[Jeffrey]

At least we got to the core and know exactly what the issue was that caused the problem on this date. So why don't Riley, Jason, you two talk to each other, see if there's some natural chemistry when you just are left alone to your own devices. Go ahead, Jason, why don't you start it off?

[Jason]

Okay, now we got past that little speed bump here. Riley, if I've made reservations this time, are you in to go? If that was the only thing that was holding you back,

[Riley]

I don't know, I think you have a lot of self esteem issues going on.

[Jason]

There's no self esteem issues. I know exactly where I sit. I'm a solid six. We know this. We've been over this.

[Jeffrey]

That was you.

[Jason]

But yeah, just because everything didn't go exactly your way, I think we're already learning how to compromise. I think this is the start of a beautiful partnership.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow, that's good.

[Jason]

I've shown you that I can take criticism and respond in a favorable manner. Who doesn't want growth in their relationship?

[Riley]

I appreciate that. I do appreciate that. The jumping to conclusions that I thought you were ugly kind of makes me nervous.

[Jeffrey]

Why?

[Co-host Brooke]

Well, no, let him respond to it. Why? She just went over the self confidence.

[Brooke]

I think he shook a nerve with Jeff.

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah, Jason.

[Jason]

Well, like I said before, I feel like I'm about a six and I feel like you're probably around the same area, so it seems like a good fit to me.

[Brooke]

That was like a kind of a jab.

[Jeffrey]

Smooth, smooth delivery.

[Co-host Brooke]

Are you trying to be funny?

[Jason]

It's a good match. You know, we're both not classically attractive.

[Brooke]

Classically attractive?

[Co-host Brooke]

Jason, we were there. You did it already. You already turned it around. Oh, my.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, we're both men. Hold on, hold on. Riley, is your heart beating fast? Hearing Jason say that to you?

[Riley]

It's definitely the most romantic thing I've ever heard.

[Jeffrey]

Well, I'm gonna take that at face value and ask, would you like to go out on another date with Jason? Cause we'd pay for it and we'd put reservation in for him.

[Riley]

Absolutely not.

[Jeffrey]

Goodness, Jason, man, I'm sorry that we couldn't get this to work out between you and Riley. But hey, we look forward to your third attempt at a second date update. Where we'll definitely remember who you are.

[Brooke]

We got to make a note or something on him.

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah, he's Jason the Six.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, perfect.

[Lori Siegel]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Lori Siegel]

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[Brooke]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Stephanie Young]

This began a years long court battle to prove the truth.

[Laura Owens]

You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens?

[Riley]

Correct.

[Lily Herman]

I doctored the test once.

[Stephanie Young]

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[Co-host Brooke]

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[Jason]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Stephanie Young]

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[Jason]

Ladies and gentlemen, and breaking news at a Maricopa county as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona.

[Stephanie Young]

Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jeffrey]

Something we really didn't get to break down too much during that. Is it rude to ditch someone just because they didn't make reservations before the date and you didn't find out till you're in the car?

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Like, was she rude?

[Co-host Brooke]

A good point.

[Jeffrey]

Or was she justified in telling him to turn around the car? Text in 78592, cuz I'm genuinely curious.

[Brooke]

Okay, I gotta say, she was a little justified if you're on the way to a nice date and the person tells you on the way, no, I didn't make a reservation. And you know you're gonna have to stand out for two hours. I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Jeffrey]

I'm here for the food, not for the company. Come on.

[Co-host Brooke]

You didn't give him a chance though, at all.

[Brooke]

Bro, girls like me don't outside for 200.

[Co-host Brooke]

But I will say, at least you didn't cost him any money.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Laura Owens]

Didn't even take the flowers.

[Co-host Brooke]

Yeah, I forgot about her throwing the flowers.

[Brooke]

Yeah, true that part.

[Jeffrey]

It was all out of control. Cuz I agree he probably should have made a reservation, but I do think it was harsh to call everything off just because there was no serious plan.

[Co-host Brooke]

Well, it wasn't just that. It was that he wouldn't even pivot to go get a drink next door.

[Brooke]

Yeah, come on.

[Riley]

I mean.

[Brooke]

I mean, let's even go to Denver. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Something. Whatever it was, it didn't work out for Jason this time around.

[Co-host Brooke]

I'm sure he'll be back. Oh, yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Promise you he will be.

[Brooke]

Will we remember him?

[Co-host Brooke]

We need one of those customer cards where you get a punch every time you come in.

[Jeffrey]

But no matter who you are, if you've been on once, twice, a million times, we're always here to help. Yeah, email the show, we'll call that person who's not calling you back. And you go find all of our second dates, wherever you find them, online. Get it at your podcast at Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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[Lori Siegel]

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[Sam Altman]

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[Lori Siegel]

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[Lori Siegel]

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[Jason]

1010 shots fired. City hall building.

[Brooke]

How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that.

[Narrator (Rorschach Murder)]

A shocking public murder.

[Jeffrey]

This is one of the most dramatic events that really ever happened in New York City politics.

[Brooke]

I screamed, get down. Get down.

[Jeffrey]

Those are shots.

[Narrator (Rorschach Murder)]

A tragedy that's now for great. And a mystery that may or may not have been political. That may have been about sex. Listen to Rorschach. Murder at City hall on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Stephanie Young]

In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins, but the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax.

[Laura Owens]

You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens? Correct.

[Lily Herman]

I doctored the test once.

[Stephanie Young]

It took an army of Internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing.

[Jeffrey]

Greg Gillespie and Michael Mangini.

[Stephanie Young]

My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Listen to LoveTrapped podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast tests.

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[Jeffrey]

What?

[Host of Secret World of Roald Dahl]

You probably won't believe it either.

[Jeffrey]

Was this before he wrote his stories.

[Lori Siegel]

It must have been okay.

[Co-host Brooke]

I don't think that's true.

[Jeffrey]

I'm telling you, the guy was a spy.

[Host of Secret World of Roald Dahl]

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