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A new podcast for you. Welcome to the Second Date podcast with Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And dude, gotta give props to our guy today because he has a pickup line that uses no words at all. And it works. Yeah, you're gonna hear what that is in just a second. And of course, we love highlighting your lovely comments. What do we see today? Yeah, Pat, Patrice McDaniel said this is my go to when working Uber. Just about everyone loves it. From Phoenix, Arizona.
Jose
Love you guys.
Alexis
Just about everyone. I want to know the people that tell you, like, turn it off or what?
Riley Herbs
I don't know.
Alexis
I feel like it should be our new show tagline. Just about everyone loves it. Yeah, I like that. All right, well, we'll see if you like this. It's starting right now.
Jose
Second date update. It's always interesting to me that we have just as many guys listen to our show as we do ladies, actually.
Alexis
Yeah. On our podcast, we have more male listeners.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jose
And if that's because women are forcing their spouses to listen at the threat of withholding love, then you know what? So be it.
Alexis
Oh, not just that we're entertaining.
Jose
That can't be it.
Brooke
Have you ever heard of it?
Alexis
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Jose
We all know by now ladies don't have to approach anyone on the dating apps. They're pretty much flooded with messages 24 7. So the big question that we always ask here is, is how does a guy cut through all the clutter and get himself noticed? Yeah.
Alexis
The guy to girl ratio on a dating app is not good.
Jose
Yeah. And our listener Connor says he's figured out a great conversation opener that nobody else was using and says it has an extremely high success rate.
Alexis
Oh, interesting.
Jose
Connor, are you sure you want to give away your secrets to the world right here on the show?
Brooke
Honestly, no. But your producer's kind of telling me I have to do that if I want to be here.
Alexis
Our producer can be kind of scary. We get it.
Jose
So he makes me do a lot of stuff I don't want to do either, Connor, so I completely understand now. Time to wipe away those tears. Give it up. What's your secret?
Brooke
So I don't send any words at all?
Jose
Yeah, any words. I'M with you. Women hate words. Yeah, words. Huge turn off. Am I right, Alexis?
Nikki
Oh, yeah.
Alexis
Especially all the way.
Jose
Yes. Like punctuation marks.
Brooke
It's emojis, dude. You send emojis because it leads to a response.
Jose
Oh. Eventually she'll be like, why are you only.
Alexis
Because you're, like, trying to decode what you're attempting to say. Are there specific emojis that you use?
Brooke
Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a specific group of emojis.
Alexis
Okay.
Jose
Okay.
Brooke
Yeah. Man, emoji, woman emoji, sushi, emoji, dance, emoji, music, emoji, gift box, emoji, equal sign, question mark, emoji.
Alexis
What was the last one before question mark?
Jose
Equal sign.
Alexis
Oh, and then question mark.
Jose
Women love math equations, right, Alexis? Like an algebra problem.
Nikki
Yeah, you could take that out.
Jose
Oh, okay.
Alexis
That's a equal sign. I'm sorry, from those emojis. That is a fancy first date that you just planned.
Jose
Yeah. Great for sushi and dancing.
Alexis
Yeah, yeah.
Jose
For people who aren't emoji literate. Can you, like, translate what exactly you're saying in it?
Brooke
Okay, so it translates to a guy and a girl. We get sushi, we dance. And also there's a little something special. What do you think?
Jose
Yeah. Okay. Even if it's a tiny gift, the fact that you have a gift box looks really cool. The big gold box on the emoji.
Alexis
Unless it's like that old SNL song about what's in the box.
Riley Herbs
I prefer an ice cream emoji over.
Alexis
A gift, but it's just me.
Brooke
No, but it always elicits a response. Either people send back, like, emojis of their own, like, they get it. Yeah. Or they. They're like, sorry, what was that? And at least I've got somebody talking to me, even if they didn't get it.
Jose
Okay, well, then she asked for clarification. Then you can formally ask her out.
Alexis
Okay, so you do this to hundreds of women and one you actually went on a date with?
Brooke
Yes, I did this to Nikki. I was able to get her number and we met up and we did that date.
Alexis
Oh, you did do the date.
Jose
Okay. And you said her name is Nikki. That's the woman that we're going to be calling her. How did your date go?
Brooke
It was great. We did exactly what I said we were going to do. We did sushi, we went dancing, and then I took her out, paid for drinks afterwards.
Alexis
Oh, wait, where was the present? You put a present box. I mean, there.
Brooke
The present is like, I'm going To let you in on my secret spot.
Jose
Oh, is it like one of those fun bars with really cool drinks?
Alexis
Like, did she like that present?
Brooke
She liked it. She thought it was cool.
Jose
Okay, vibes were up. How was the connection between you two?
Brooke
Look, I thought it was great. There was no, like, moment where it felt like a kiss was right, but I felt like we were vibing the whole time. I obviously listened to these sometimes, since you're always like, okay, what'd you mess up? And I will tell you right now, the awkward thing came from her and not from me. I still want to go on a second date, but there was a point where she called me Martin.
Alexis
Martin.
Jose
Oh, no, wait.
Alexis
What's your name?
Jose
I already forgot your name.
Brooke
Yeah, Brooke.
Jose
Brooke has forgotten your name.
Brooke
No, it's not just be forgot, dude. Martin is her exact.
Alexis
Oh, God, I bet she felt so bad.
Brooke
Yeah, she said she did. We had fun with it. I mean, I cracked a joke or two about it. I thought it was all good, but now it's been, like, a week and a half and I haven't heard anything.
Jose
Yes, it's awkward to be called by the ex's name, but it's also kind of a good sign that she's seeing you in a romantic way and it's unlocking that door to, like, old romantic flings.
Alexis
That's a stretch.
Jose
Yeah. I have to stretch.
Alexis
Yeah. I mean, do you think that she's not over her ex?
Brooke
I mean, that's my first thought for sure, but I hope that that's not the case, because we had a good time. Yeah, I would like to see her again. And also, like, if you're not over your ex, fine. But you're going to ghost me for that?
Alexis
Well, I mean, maybe she thinks it's. It's kind, right? Like, maybe she thinks, like, I should leave this guy alone.
Brooke
Never the kindest option.
Alexis
I mean, I agree. I agree. I don't disagree with that. But what happened at the very end of the night?
Brooke
I was like, hey, this has been so much fun. I hope to see you again. We gave each other a hug.
Jose
And how many times have you called her? Many times. Have you texted her?
Brooke
Well, obviously, I hit her with some emojis.
Jose
Okay. Yeah.
Brooke
And then I left one voicemail. I'm trying to not be, like, weird about it now.
Alexis
Did you leave the voicemail saying your real name? Because maybe she doesn't remember it. Maybe you should have called yourself Martin.
Brooke
That is rough if that's true.
Jose
Don't do that. And voicemails are A little bit. Especially if you hear the loser line segment on our show. It's always a risk to leave one.
Alexis
No, I think voicemails are fine if they're short and they end quickly. Yeah, that's the same thing I just said twice, but you know what I mean.
Jose
Just like your love making short, end it quickly. Get in, get out, get back.
Alexis
Leave them wanting more.
Jose
There you go. So we're going to reach out to Nikki. Hopefully she answers and we'll find out. Is it really just because she called you her ex's name on the date or is something else happening? When we come back for your second date update. Right after. This second date update was a warm summer afternoon and our listener Connor conned a gal into a date with a flick of the finger and a string of mysterious emojis. Man emoji, woman emoji, sushi emoji, dance emoji, music emoji, gift box emoji equals question mark emoji.
Alexis
Oh, so mysterious, Jeff.
Jose
No one can crack the code, Jeff. That's where we're at now. I've conferred with my co host, Jose, Sherlock homeboy and Brooke. What's up, Watson? They told me we don't know enough about this date. We need more investigating.
Alexis
You see, I think we know quite a bit though.
Jose
Brooke, you gotta do the voice.
Alexis
Oh, I think we know quite a bit.
Jose
Not quite enough though. Our only lead is that Nikki called Connor by her ex lover's name. Some nobody named Martin. But that's all we know. We don't even know what they spoke about. Any childhood memories? Did they play the game pasta or rasta?
Alexis
What is that game?
Jose
Oh, man, you haven't played pasta or rasta?
Brooke
No.
Jose
You haven't lived?
Alexis
I haven't even lived, apparently.
Jose
Throw some reggae on and play later. Connor, can you tell us what was the gab about that night? What did you speak about?
Brooke
Oh, man, I feel like it was pretty basic first date stuff. Like stuff that happened to us when we were kids. I was like, oh, I have this scar on my arm. Honestly, now that we're talking about, I'm like, am I basic?
Alexis
Am I basic? It's okay.
Jose
It's kind of good. There wasn't a big crazy moment.
Alexis
I don't know. You're a man that's willing to take a woman dancing and that is not basic. Many men are scared of dancing.
Brooke
I'll take that. But our conversation maybe wasn't as like, I don't know, it wasn't like we looked up at the stars and Contemplated our existence together.
Alexis
Yeah, but you communicated with those dance moves, I bet.
Jose
Yeah, those hips don't lie, brothers.
Alexis
That's right.
Jose
Still no pasta or rasta, so kind of fell short. But let's reach out to Nikki here. We'll see if she picks up and hopefully she has some answers for her.
Alexis
And if she doesn't, let's play the game. Because I'm really curious how this game works.
Jose
It's not appropriate for radio. Oh, yeah, Brooke, it's like spin the bottle.
Alexis
I was gonna guess penne.
Jose
Okay, I already don' talking about. Oh, you would want that pain anyway. Yeah, I know, right? Jeff, here, let's just call Nikki here, hopefully get out of this awkwardness. Here we go.
Nikki
Hello?
Jose
Hey, is this Nikki?
Nikki
Yeah, this is Nikki.
Brooke
Who's this?
Jose
Hey, Nikki, you're on a. A radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Alexis
What's up, Nikki?
Jose
Hey, what up, Nikki? Good morning.
Alexis
Show's here.
Nikki
Why are you calling me?
Jose
Sorry to interrupt you. I'm not sure if you're busy or something, but we're doing a segment on our show. It's called the second date update.
Nikki
I'm so sorry, I gotta go.
Alexis
Just honestly, it'll take less than three minutes.
Jose
Lucky for you, we're not doing our big segment. Pasta or rasta? Yeah, super highly rated. Yeah, this is quick.
Alexis
I'm actually kind of excited.
Brooke
Okay.
Jose
Yeah. The second aid update is where one of our listeners has asked us to help get some answers for why you're not responding to his emoji texts and your voicemail messages.
Nikki
My God. Oh, my God. Why would he do that?
Alexis
Okay, we're talking about immediately when we say emoji.
Jose
Yeah, Connor.
Nikki
Yeah, I know about the emojis, but like, why would he call a radio station and like, get you guys involved? Like, I. I'm confused.
Jose
He wants to hear back from you. Yeah, because he told us the story about your date and said he's reached out a few times hoping to get a second one that has not happened and he's not sure why.
Nikki
Well, I don't know what he told you guys, but I had a little bit of an embarrassing moment on the date.
Jose
Yeah, we heard about the. The moment where you called him by your ex boyfriend's name.
Alexis
It's fine. It sounds like he doesn't even, like, care that much.
Jose
I mean, there could have been more moments on the date that might have turned you off. Like, we just don't know. And Connor wants some honesty and clarification on the situation. That's why we're calling.
Nikki
Yeah, I mean, actually, it was. It was just that. I mean, if I'm gonna be honest with you guys about something, it was. It was that moment.
Alexis
Yeah, but it sounds like you guys joked about it after you called him the wrong name. He like, made light of it and.
Nikki
Yeah, no, I mean, I tried to laugh it off, but tell you guys the truth, Martin is not my ex's name.
Alexis
Wait, what?
Jose
What? What? That's what you said. Who's Martin?
Nikki
Yeah, no, I know, I know. I had to make it up.
Alexis
Why? Who's Martin?
Nikki
Okay, so his eyebrows are the bushiest eyebrows I've ever seen. And.
Alexis
Wait, are you talking about Martin right now or are you talking about our listener?
Jose
Your date with Connor.
Nikki
I'm talking about Connor. He has the same eyebrows as Martin Scorsese. He actually makes Martin's look thin. And I put him in my phone with that. And I guess I got so used to seeing that name on my phone and thinking that.
Jose
Yeah, so it was roast.
Alexis
Wait, you saved him as like Martin Scorsese, eyebrow boy or something in your phone?
Nikki
I said Martin eyebrows. Yeah, and in the pictures you couldn't really tell. Like you saw they were bushy, hence me putting him in my phone as Martin eyebrows.
Jose
But they're worse in person.
Nikki
I couldn't stop looking at them. It was like a bad accident that you can't stop looking at.
Jose
Oh, okay, can we stop now? Can we stop? You're watching yourself into bad territory. Is it connected like one caterpillar? No, I don't think you need to get any more detail. I don't want to hurt any more feelings, especially because Martin.
Alexis
No, no, Connor, Connor, he's.
Jose
He's on the other line listening to this.
Alexis
Nikki, that hurts.
Nikki
Shut up, shut up.
Jose
Seriously, I have to talk because I'm on the radio, but yeah, he's there.
Nikki
Guys.
Alexis
Sorry.
Nikki
Really?
Jose
Connor, you there?
Nikki
Oh, man.
Brooke
Yeah, I'm not really sure what to say.
Alexis
Oh, buddy. I bet you have great eyebrows, Martin.
Brooke
Yeah, they're great eyebrows. They're very full. Like people are into it.
Alexis
Big eyebrows are in.
Nikki
Yeah, but this is beyond the trend.
Jose
But it's not a preference for every different people.
Brooke
Okay? You don't have to be.
Nikki
That's why we date. That's why we date because everybody has different preferences. And I'm sorry, Connor, you're a nice looking guy, but your brows are too much like they. I could not even focus enough to remember your real name versus the name I've been calling you in my follower.
Jose
Like Bert.
Alexis
How do you apologize for being mean and then double down on it?
Nikki
Is honesty mean? I mean, listen, I didn't call me and do this, okay? Connor knew what he was getting into. He was ready, I guess, for the truth.
Brooke
And that's true.
Jose
We do appreciate your honesty, Nikki. I mean, we really do. That's what we asked. I don't necessarily love what you're saying. Yeah, but, you know, at least she's being truthful for the reason. I would think, though, that eyebrows are something that you could easily change.
Alexis
No, you don't want to change who you're dating. Them. Jazz.
Brooke
Yeah, I mean, I'm happy with how I look.
Jose
What's good, man?
Brooke
I'm just baffled that it took coming to the radio to hear this.
Nikki
I was trying to be nice in this spot, and now, you know, ghosting is never nice.
Brooke
That's not a kindness.
Jose
Would it have felt nice if she said the reason I said is because you remind me you look like Martin Scorsese? Would that feel good?
Alexis
She could have just said, you know what? I'm so sorry. I just don't feel an attraction here. That's all she had.
Brooke
That would have been fine. But also, if she said I look like Martin Scorsese, I would have been like, hell, yeah, I do. Tight.
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Alexis
Good for you. I love Connor.
Nikki
I mean, I'm sorry, guys, I gotta go to work.
Jose
She feels better. Okay.
Nikki
I'm sorry, Connor. Like, best of luck. If you need a brown person, I have someone really good. I'm more than happy to give her number to Connor.
Brooke
Doubling down.
Nikki
She's really good. I'm not doubling down. I'm trying to help. I want Connor to find a nice woman to get the brows together.
Alexis
That is so insecurity.
Jose
A little bit. So, look, I normally would never do this, but in the spirit of truthfulness and honesty, Connor, I'm going to call it open season. Is there anything you would like to critique about Nikki in return? Just to even the playing field? Up to you. Connor, don't.
Alexis
Hey, when she goes low, you go high. Connor.
Jose
Yeah? What's above the eyebrows that you can call.
Brooke
No, I'm above it, man. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not sorry for the way that I look. I think she looks great. I would have been happy to go on a second date, but not the girl.
Jose
Just great. Yikes.
Alexis
What a great guy. You are missing out, Nikki.
Brooke
Yeah, so take that.
Nikki
I didn't do anything wrong.
Jose
He called her.
Nikki
I've now been embarrassed on the radio.
Jose
Oh, you've been Embarrassed. Embarrassed.
Nikki
Really embarrassed. Guys, I can't deal with this. No. Next day, I'm deleting every app for dating. I'm taking a break.
Jose
People don't answer random calls, okay? It's good that she was able to make this entire thing about her. So, Nikki, well done.
Nikki
I don't appreciate that. Yeah, just FYI, the next time you go ahead and send someone all these crazy emojis and there's a gift in there, why don't you just bring a gift and not be a cheap.
Alexis
Oh, I guess it wasn't just the eyebrows.
Nikki
Yeah, it was not just the eyebrows.
Jose
All right, well, we started with really not knowing much at the beginning of this what went wrong, and now we know it was just a couple of eyebrows.
Alexis
Hey, what's up, Watson? I did my job.
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We solved the mystery game. I knew we'd get to the bottom of it. Tune in next week when we unmasked the the owner of the old Kabuki theater and find out who isn't dating the wrong person. Like, zoinks. His eyebrows were like super hairy. I knew it. Scoobs, look at Jeffrey in the morning.
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We got a lot of texts coming into our text board at 78592. People are ripping that woman for what she said about Connor's eyebrows.
Alexis
It would have been forgiven because she didn't know he was on the phone until she just kept going.
Jose
She just wouldn't stop.
Alexis
Yeah, anytime you're like I'm sorry but it's not an apology.
Jose
Yeah, and I know Connor didn't want to say anything bad about her, but our listeners did not hold back. Yeah, wow, they're blowing up our text board. Ruthless. One said. I've never even seen that woman but I can tell she's got a gaping fish mouth. Another says she sounds like she was oh you know what? Actually some of these are not radio friendly or not cool. Actually I probably shouldn't. But you know what? It is nice to see our listeners coming together and sticking up for other listeners who listen to this show.
Alexis
I mean. Yeah, but what about that? Like when they go low, we go high.
Jose
No mob mentality. When they go low, we go lower. Yeah, he went high. So we can all go up. There you go. But we will stick up for you and your love life. You can email the show, we'll call that person who's not calling you back and go check out all of our Second Aid updates if you want to find them online, they're available wherever you get your podcasts at.
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Release Date: July 9, 2025
Host/Authors: Brooke and Jeffrey
Platform: iHeartPodcasts
In the episode titled "Second Date Update: A Slip of the Ex," Brooke and Jeffrey delve into the complexities of modern dating, focusing on the challenges men face in standing out amidst the overwhelming activity on dating apps. The episode centers around a listener named Connor, whose innovative yet unconventional approach to securing a second date leads to unexpected outcomes.
Timestamp: [04:04] – [05:08]
Connor, a listener, shares his unique tactic to differentiate himself on dating apps saturated with messages. Instead of the typical text-based openers, Connor opts for a series of emojis designed to capture attention without using any words. The specific sequence he uses is:
Brooke explains the rationale behind this approach, highlighting the imbalance in messaging on dating platforms:
Brooke: "We all know by now ladies don't have to approach anyone on the dating apps. They're pretty much flooded with messages 24 7."
Jeffrey and Alexis discuss how this method aims to stand out by removing the initial verbal clutter, making the interaction more engaging and less conventional.
Timestamp: [06:13] – [07:16]
Connor's strategy yields results when Nikki responds to his emoji-laden message. Brooke successfully secures a date with Nikki, adhering precisely to the plan symbolized by the emojis: sushi, dancing, and a special reveal represented by the gift box.
After the date, Brooke reflects positively on the interaction:
Brooke: "Look, I thought it was great. There was no, like, moment where it felt like a kiss was right, but I felt like we were vibing the whole time."
However, a hiccup arises when Nikki mistakenly calls Connor "Martin" during the date, leading to confusion and awkwardness post-date. Brooke shares his disappointment over the subsequent lack of communication:
Brooke: "I still want to go on a second date, but there was a point where she called me Martin."
Timestamp: [07:16] – [09:44]
The hosts speculate on the reasons behind Nikki's sudden silence, contemplating whether her lingering feelings for an ex named Martin might be the culprit. They emphasize the emotional intelligence required to navigate such situations, as highlighted by their repeated questioning of Nikki's response and Brooke's feelings:
Jose: "Would she be ghosting me because she's not over her ex?"
Brooke details his efforts to reach out, including sending emojis and leaving a voicemail, all of which went unanswered. This lack of response leaves him uncertain about the true reason behind Nikki's disengagement.
Timestamp: [11:44] – [18:37]
In an attempt to resolve the mystery, Brooke and Jeffrey make a live call to Nikki. The conversation unfolds humorously yet candidly, revealing that Nikki's mistake wasn't due to thinking Connor was her actual ex but rather a humorous mix-up based on how Connor saved his contact in her phone.
Key moments from the call include:
Nikki explaining the mix-up:
Nikki: "I had to make it up. I said Martin because Connor has the same eyebrows as Martin Scorsese."
Discussion about Connor's eyebrows:
Brooke: "Yeah, I'm not really sure what to say."
Nikki: "I'm sorry, Connor, you're a nice looking guy, but your brows are too much like they. I could not even focus enough to remember your real name versus the name I've been calling you in my follower."
The hosts address the situation with empathy, acknowledging the awkwardness of the situation while also highlighting the importance of physical attributes in attraction:
Alexis: "He could have just said, you know what? I'm so sorry. I just don't feel an attraction here. That's all she had."
The segment concludes with Nikki expressing her regret and deciding to take a break from dating apps, while Brooke remains supportive despite the rejection.
Timestamp: [21:52] – [23:06]
Following the live call, Brooke and Jeffrey receive a flood of text messages and reactions from their audience. The majority of listeners criticize Nikki for her bluntness and lack of tact in addressing Connor's eyebrows, with some comments bordering on body shaming:
Listener Comment: "I've never even seen that woman but I can tell she's got a gaping fish mouth."
While some reactions are harsh, the hosts remind their audience of the importance of compassion and avoiding a mob mentality:
Alexis: "When they go low, we go high."
They encourage listeners to continue sharing their dating woes and to seek advice on the show, fostering a sense of community and support.
Timestamp: [23:06] – End
The episode wraps up with Brooke and Jeffrey reflecting on the events, emphasizing the unpredictable nature of dating and the necessity of resilience in the face of rejection. They highlight the significance of clear communication and the impact of first impressions, both verbal and non-verbal.
Key Insights:
Innovation in Dating Approaches: Connor's emoji strategy, while unconventional, underscores the necessity for creativity in standing out on crowded platforms.
Importance of Physical Features: The episode humorously yet poignantly illustrates how physical attributes, such as eyebrows, can significantly influence romantic connections.
Handling Rejection: Brooke's experience with ghosting and the subsequent live call with Nikki emphasize the importance of addressing misunderstandings directly and maintaining grace in rejection.
Community Support: The overwhelming listener response showcases the communal aspect of dating struggles and the value of shared experiences in navigating personal relationships.
Brooke on his date:
[06:13] "Look, I thought it was great. There was no, like, moment where it felt like a kiss was right, but I felt like we were vibing the whole time."
Nikki explaining the name slip:
[13:41] "Martin, he has the same eyebrows as Martin Scorsese. He actually makes Martin's look thin."
Alexis on handling negativity:
[22:46] "When they go low, we go higher."
Brooke on resilience:
[17:37] "I'm above it, man. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not sorry for the way that I look."
"Second Date Update: A Slip of the Ex" offers a humorous yet insightful exploration of modern dating's nuances. Brooke and Jeffrey skillfully navigate a listener's attempt to innovate within the dating scene, shedding light on the delicate balance between creativity and authenticity. The episode serves as a reminder that while strategies can open doors, genuine connections hinge on understanding, communication, and sometimes, overcoming the little mistakes that make us human.