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Brooke
Alexis, on a scale of 1 to 10, how uncool am I going to sound if I call today's brand new second date update a doozy?
Jeffrey
A doozy? Oh, that's not even going to rank. I don't even know where that time.
Brooke
I mean, it was, though. Hey, welcome to the podcast. We're so glad you're here.
Jeffrey
And I.
Alexis
There was a real hornbuck laugh.
Jeffrey
Yeah, put your hands in the air.
Brooke
When this woman describes what she, quote, unquote, does for a living. I am sorry. I am sorry. Go home. Well, that's not even the right thing to say.
Jeffrey
On a scale of 1 to 10, I'm 11 for jealous of her job.
Brooke
That's for sure. Alexis. All right, you're gonna hear it in just a second. But first the comments. What do you got, Alexis?
Jeffrey
All right, Megaldoni said my seven year old absolutely loves your show and asked if he could be the new host and if it could be Brooke and Charles in the morning.
Brooke
I like it. He's Charles.
Alexis
I see them doing that immediately.
Jeffrey
I mean, Charles feels like we should.
Brooke
Do a real, like, fancy show.
Alexis
It's the same as Jeffrey.
Jeffrey
That's a good point, Charles. But he's dead.
Alexis
It should be Charles and Jeffrey. You should be cut out.
Brooke
I agree.
Jeffrey
I'm just imagining Jeff and a little seven year old in a suit taking over.
Alexis
And they're both wearing crowns and suits.
Brooke
Ye. And they have the same level of potty humor.
Jeffrey
Yeah.
Brooke
So I think it'll work. I like it. All right, here's your second date update right now.
Charles
Second date update. An important part of any blossoming relationship is the first time a woman corrects her man and tells him he messed up. You need to do better.
Alexis
All right, well, this has to happen.
Charles
It's such a special moment because we need that as guys. If left to our own devices, we'll wear 4 gallons of Axe body Spray Spray and think it smells good.
Alexis
Yes, we do need guidance.
Charles
We'll wash our cashmere sweaters in hot water.
Jeffrey
Oh, we love having to correct men.
Brooke
Do you drive up? Is that what you do?
Charles
Are we not supposed to?
Brooke
We be mothers to every man out there.
Charles
Thank goodness for women being there to correct us so we can learn and go, oh, that's how it works.
Brooke
You never have to use your own brain.
Charles
Well, a lot of women will wait a few dates to correct their men, but not our listener, Monica. She told a guy he messed up on night one.
Brooke
Yikes.
Monica
Uhoh.
Charles
For his benefit, bro.
Brooke
No, it's not. It is so wild.
Charles
That's what happened. Monica, welcome to the show. Was that intro to your liking, or could I have done better?
Monica
No, you. You hit it.
Alexis
Oh, awesome.
Isaac
Thank you.
Brooke
Wow.
Charles
That's not. Just made my day. Monica, thank you so much.
Brooke
I'm always so curious why someone says a guy messes up and then still wants to call him for another date.
Alexis
Oh, that's.
Charles
You know, we'll get into that. But let's start with what's this guy's name? Who did you go out with?
Monica
Okay, so I met Isaac online, and he seemed really cool. I liked his personality. I like his looks. Definitely.
Brooke
Okay, so there's a lot of potential there.
Monica
Yeah, I really liked him because there's a lot of guys on this app that they will take you forever. I don't do the back and forth, back and forth thing. But he came right down with it. He was like, I want to take you out.
Charles
Oh, nice.
Alexis
To the point. Confident.
Brooke
Yeah. And all about action.
Charles
Yeah.
Brooke
Instead of just living in this weird world of like, what are we doing?
Monica
Yeah, Right.
Charles
That's a good note for men because the more you talk, the more opportunities you're giving yourself to say something stupid. And we will do that.
Alexis
Well said, Jazz.
Brooke
Exactly.
Alexis
Now stop talking.
Charles
Okay, good for Isaac. Now I'm not going to say much more. Just keep going. What happened?
Monica
Yeah, he said he's gonna come pick me up and take me to the nice restaurant. So, you know, I got up in my nice little dress thinking, yeah, hey. And then he came, pulled up, he got out, he opened my door. Oh, my God. Okay. Yeah, he was very nice. I ain't gonna lie. He was nice.
Charles
Okay. Like that.
Brooke
Okay. So everything's working in his favor right now.
Charles
I'm wondering where things start to turn and you have to step in, and.
Monica
Soon as we got off the highway, I'm like, oh, no. Because I see Buffalo Wild Wings.
Alexis
B dubs.
Jeffrey
Oh, I love B dubs.
Monica
Yeah.
Alexis
Okay, Lemon pepper wings, let's go.
Brooke
Are you excited about that or not excited?
Monica
Not excited at all. I just came from Buffalo Wild Wings two nights ago with my homegirls. So what am I getting excited for now?
Brooke
Okay, so he's taking you there for a date, and you're not feeling that.
Charles
You expected something a little better.
Monica
Okay, a lot better. Not a little. He puts it in park. He gets out of the car, comes around and opens my door like the perfect gentleman he is. And I said, please close my door.
Charles
You said close. You said, close the door while you're still in the car.
Monica
I said, Please close the door. My door.
Charles
Well, it's nice you were polite.
Brooke
Please close my door.
Monica
And I think that he thought I was kidding because he was like, standing there. I'm like, hello, probably.
Brooke
So you're gonna force him to take you somewhere else?
Monica
I don't force anybody to do anything. I'm letting him know, please close my door. Because I don't do buffalo wild wings as a date. Oh, God.
Alexis
That's a hangout, not a date.
Brooke
It's such a messy food. It's a terrible first date.
Jeffrey
It sucks you're in a dress and stuff to go there also just makes me uncomfortable.
Charles
Ye women don't want to, like, sit and drink beers and watch sports and scream and spill beer everywhere.
Monica
I'm tell you what I don't want to do on a date. I don't want to watch a whole grown man lick his fingers.
Brooke
That's what I'm saying.
Charles
I'm going to write that down.
Alexis
Sexy. When we sucked on the bone finger.
Brooke
So did he finally listen to you and shut the door?
Monica
Yes, he did. He shut the door. I said, I got three choices for you. And he picked a nice cocktail bar. And I said, okay, cool. So I thought, okay. He didn't know, right? He didn't know. I told him, let's go.
Alexis
And he adapted. And he. Was he offended? He seem offended by the way?
Monica
Like, he seemed more confused than offended.
Isaac
Okay.
Charles
But that's just. That's just standard, you know, mental headspace for men just constantly.
Monica
Right, right.
Brooke
How was it though, when you got to the cocktail bar, were you able to still keep a good energy together?
Monica
Yeah. He asked me questions about what had just happened. I'm like, yo, I'm a lady for real. I want silverware. I don't want plastic utensils.
Brooke
I am with you on that.
Monica
So he was like, okay, I never thought of that. So I'm teaching him what a real lady.
Charles
Like, I'm sure he actually appreciated the education on how to properly woo a woman.
Brooke
How do you know he appreciated it? Because he's not calling you back. Oh, yeah.
Monica
Oh, now that's a good question. And that's why I'm calling you.
Brooke
See, I would be insulted.
Jeffrey
See, I'm thinking that's the reason he wasn't getting second dates before. And now he's got it down, so he's busy.
Brooke
She taught him too well. Yeah, he's a good.
Jeffrey
He's big.
Charles
That's what a lot of women get upset when they're like, oh, great, I cleaned. Cleaned up my Guy just for the next one to come and, like, swipe him up.
Alexis
He's taking 10 girls in that cocktail bar.
Monica
We're gonna get down to the nitty gritty. Because I want to know. Because I think I did everything right and I taught him how to do everything right. And so now let's get it right.
Charles
You deserve a medal and definitely a second date here.
Brooke
But what if he feels like you're too high maintenance?
Charles
Then screw that guy, okay?
Alexis
He doesn't want a real woman.
Charles
Then you'll lay into him, go full hard against him, right? Bro, that's where you come in. You do your thing.
Brooke
No, I just think that if you have some boundaries, that they should be established before the date, not when you're in the middle of it.
Monica
But look, he's the one that asked me out and I accepted, right?
Alexis
Yeah.
Monica
So you're gonna learn me on the date. And that's what he did. And if he didn't like what he learned, he could at least responded. You have me calling the whole radio show to find out what's wrong with you.
Alexis
That's true.
Monica
No, I can't wait to hear this.
Charles
I can't wait to hear it, too. So hopefully he picks up. But we're gonna come back. We'll call Isaac for you and figure out why in the world he would not be calling back a classy woman like yourself. Monica.
Brooke
Yeah, she's a cloth napkin type of lady.
Charles
That's right. Let's get some answers when we do your second date update right after this. Hold on. Second date update. If you're just joining us, we've been speaking to a true hero. Her name is Monica. Heroically swooped in and saved her date Isaac from pulling a total rookie move when he tried to bring her to Buffalo Wild Wings for their date. And that wasn't gonna fly with her, so Monica refused to get out of his car in order to show him. This is not where you take a lady of substance.
Alexis
She put on a dress.
Brooke
Okay, they definitely had a miscommunication over what a dinner date looks like.
Charles
But instead, they ended up at a nice cocktail bar. And they did it the proper way, where she actually discovered Isaac's a pretty good guy, has some gentlemanly qualities, something to work with. So the question is, why is he not reaching out for cocktails? Round two. Monica, is it possible that maybe he saw your helpful sensei teaching abilities as a little bit condescending?
Monica
That's a possibility. I just wish he would have expressed that to me personally.
Brooke
Yeah, you seem Like a person who can take criticism, constructive criticism.
Monica
If I could ditch it, I definitely can take it.
Brooke
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's a good attitude to have. It doesn't happen often on this show. Yeah.
Charles
Would you like to criticize her constructively before we do this call? Is that where you're going?
Brooke
Great.
Monica
Okay.
Brooke
She knows who she is, she knows what she wants, and she wants to go out with Isaac, so.
Charles
Okay. So, Brooke, you're scared of her and you're afraid to say anything controversial.
Brooke
I think Isaac will be scared and will be afraid to say no. So I think you're getting a date no matter what. I also. I also like to scare men.
Alexis
Yeah, I'm gonna say she's seems like you, Brooke.
Brooke
I'm with you.
Charles
We're gonna intimidate this guy into saying yes to a date. But let's see what he has to say if he picks up the phone. But here we go.
Isaac
Hello?
Charles
Hey, is this Isaac?
Isaac
Yeah, who's this?
Charles
Hey, man, we're a radio show. You're on it right now. It's called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Brooke
Welcome to the show, Isaac.
Alexis
Hey, good morning.
Isaac
Why is the radio show calling me?
Charles
Well, it's kind of a good reason. We do a segment on this show. It's called A Second Date Update.
Isaac
What?
Charles
It sounds like you haven't heard it, but this is a segment where we help out our listeners who've been on a date with someone, and afterwards they're not getting a call back to go on a second one.
Isaac
I think I have heard of it. I think I've seen this online somewhere.
Brooke
Yeah, a lot of them are viral on TikTok.
Charles
They're on there. You can follow us at Broken Jeffrey if you want to. No pressure, but. But basically, the reason that we're calling you is there's a woman named Monica who asked us to get a hold of you.
Brooke
Hey.
Isaac
Yeah, I met Monica.
Brooke
Yes, right, we know you met. Sounds like you guys could have had a great date.
Isaac
What did she. What did she tell you? What did she tell you?
Alexis
Good question.
Charles
Okay, well, I guess the general recap of what we heard from her is you picked her up, then you took her to Buffalo Wild Wings, which she politely redirected over to a cocktail bar.
Isaac
Well, politely redirected it would be wrong.
Alexis
That's jealous.
Charles
I was trying to gently say it.
Alexis
She's our friend, so we're not gonna be rude.
Isaac
Well, I mean, I wasn't rude either. She just simply kind of barked, closed my door. Oh, did you at first, I just stood there like, what do you mean there's a bug about to get inside my car.
Alexis
I can see that. Ye.
Charles
Oh, my God.
Alexis
Close the door.
Isaac
I was like, okay. So I close the door and I go back to my side of the car. I get in and she explains to me, like, hey, I don't do Buffalo Wild Wings. And I was like, yeah, all right. I mean, the reason why I chose the Buffalo Wild Wings, because in these new dating apps, it's better to start out something very casual. Another date, we graduate to something a little better.
Brooke
But wait, did you explain all of that to her? What? You just told us why you chose it.
Isaac
No, I didn't explain any of that to her. And also didn't tell her this. I own that Buffalo Wild Wings.
Brooke
You own it.
Charles
Wait, what?
Alexis
Oh, you're a franchisee?
Jeffrey
You're gonna take her to your own job, though?
Alexis
That's supposed to be impressive, Alexis.
Brooke
Yeah, except you get free food.
Alexis
Yeah, but guys, he's a business owner.
Jeffrey
Who cares?
Isaac
Okay, so look, I'm gonna be honest. I'm still a gentleman. She wanted to go somewhere a little bit better, so we made our way to this great cocktail lounge that I know.
Monica
Yeah.
Charles
So what changed your mind? To where now you're not reaching out to her for a second date?
Isaac
Okay, so while we're kind of enjoying each other's company at the cocktail bar.
Monica
Yeah.
Isaac
I started asking her a little bit more about her life. And of course, we get to, like, what do we do for a living? And she kind of skated around it for a while till she came to an answer I'd never heard in my entire life.
Brooke
What is it?
Isaac
Oh, she says she's a stay at home daughter.
Charles
A stay at home daughter?
Brooke
She's got to be joking. Like that's a joke.
Isaac
No, it's not a joke. That's what she told me. Her occupation at 31 years old is that she's a stay at home daughter.
Alexis
I'm jealous.
Jeffrey
My goal is to be a stay at home girlfriend.
Brooke
I mean, that is a real fancy way to say you're unemployed and live with mom and dad.
Charles
Yeah, okay, so you were turned off because she doesn't have enough ambition or drive or what?
Isaac
Drop of ambition? Not a drop.
Charles
Oh.
Monica
All right, we're gonna cut this right here, okay? I don't know what's going on, all right?
Charles
I don't want to make her mad, but. Isaac, that's Monica on the other line listening to this conversation.
Isaac
Clearly, it's Monica. Clearly.
Brooke
Maybe she's on her parents landline.
Monica
Ooh, you better watch yourself. You supposed to be with me here.
Alexis
Yeah, bro.
Charles
Okay, Monica, clearly you wanted to jump in and say something, so go ahead and talk to Isaac.
Monica
Hello, Isaac. How are you?
Isaac
Oh, hi, Monica from your mom's couch. How you doing?
Monica
Oh, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you something, Isaac. I don't know. What's the disrespect about? I thought we got along pretty well on our date. We had a good time. I didn't know you had a problem with my daily occupation. What is the problem with it?
Brooke
But are your parents, like, elderly? Do you stay home and take care of them? Is that what's going on?
Monica
No, they're perfectly healthy. Take care of me. I'm their baby girl and I always will be.
Isaac
Okay, Monica, guess who else is perfectly healthy? You are. Get a job.
Monica
You know what? Let me tell you something. I am perfectly healthy. Yes, I am, as you can see. And if I had to get a job, I would. But guess what? I don't have to.
Alexis
A lot of people are jealous of that.
Jeffrey
I'm with you.
Brooke
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Don't you want a job? Don't you want your own career? Don't you have your own dreams and ambitions? Like.
Monica
Yes, my dream and my ambition is sitting at home planning my date, going and doing what I have to do, and finding a man that's gonna take care of me so my parents could stop.
Brooke
Oh, so that's your goal, Brooke?
Charles
It sounds like you're judging her there. And she explicitly asked you not to do so.
Brooke
It's really hard not to.
Charles
Why?
Brooke
Because you would never date a guy who is doing what you do.
Monica
You are exactly right. And they shouldn't. A man shouldn't do what I do.
Alexis
Yeah, we're the providers, Brooke.
Monica
My role is to be care of. That's my love language. I love to be taken care of. And if it works for me, it works for me.
Jeffrey
She was into the old school chivalry and stuff.
Brooke
I cannot imagine. Imagine being a man, going and meeting your parents for the first time.
Alexis
That sounds like you have to have a present for both of them. Like a diamond necklace for one.
Brooke
What's your dowry, sir?
Charles
Okay, well, Isaac, now that she's explained this a little bit more, you're probably more receptive to going out with her one more time.
Isaac
Look, look, I. I wish Monica the best. It's just not the best with me. You have a great life, Monica. I hope you find a guy Slash simp. That will take care.
Monica
What? I don't think so. Isaac, you're gonna take me out and that's just the way it's gonna be.
Brooke
I love how you want to be the boss, but you don't want to do any of the work to become a boss.
Monica
A boss doesn't work, yo.
Jeffrey
No, I think you have the wrong.
Brooke
Idea of a boss.
Charles
You don't want to make her mad.
Monica
And that is the problem. Y' all just don't understand. And clearly I just don't understand being a whole business owner and want to take me to his little budget wing. Stop. Oh, you know what?
Isaac
I'm gonna be honest with you, Monica. See, there's a difference. There's a difference between a boss and a leader. You're not a leader.
Monica
Oh, I never said I was a leader. I never said that. I'm a boss.
Isaac
I am a leader. I'm a leader.
Monica
Okay then. That's all right then. But you could have been a man and leave my and called me and told me that. You could have told me that. Why you dodging and running?
Isaac
No one's dodging or running. What I'm doing is ghosting. Bye.
Charles
Okay, that was uncalled for. Okay?
Monica
And I don't need him. I don't need him anyway.
Charles
He hung up, by the way.
Brooke
Get a job.
Jeffrey
No, you don't. Yes, you don't listen to Brooke.
Charles
You know what you need to do is you need to go to Buffalo Wild Wings and spend your parents money over there.
Monica
No, I'm not going there no more. Look, I'm going to the competition.
Brooke
I feel like you're going to be on the phone a lot with your expectations for dating.
Monica
Well, that's okay. Look, I got a lot of time, boo boo.
Brooke
Yeah, that's a good point.
Charles
And are your parents hiring for any open roles in your family? Because I would love to be a part of that.
Monica
No, they're good.
Charles
Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Well, hey, we all learned a new job today. Stay at home daughter.
Brooke
That is not a job.
Jeffrey
I'm applying right now. Texting my mom you would last.
Brooke
I'd give you two days back home with your parents.
Monica
Are you kidding me?
Alexis
Isaac?
Jeffrey
Half of a day at your mom's house.
Charles
Isaac did not like it. Obviously Brooke does not respect it either, but. Okay, Brooke, let me ask you this, okay. Would it have changed how you felt if Monica was 21 years old compared to 31? Would you give her more grace?
Brooke
No. If she's not going to school, she should be working.
Charles
No. That's right. Brooke believes you should start working at age 6 in one of her overseas factories. So parents, if your lazy first grader is still mooching off of you as a stay at home child, then text in 78592. Brook will whip them into shape.
Brooke
Let me give you some parenting tips.
Charles
Yes, and if not parenting tips, we can hopefully at least give you a little bit of dating help. You can email the show, we can call that person who's not calling you back, and go check out all of our second date podcasts. Wherever you get yours, they're up at Brooke and Jeffrey.
Brooke
Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
Podcast Title: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Episode: Second Date Update: B Dub Flub
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
Release Date: July 11, 2025
In the "Second Date Update: B Dub Flub" episode of Brooke and Jeffrey, the hosts delve into the intricacies of modern dating through listener stories and interactive segments. This episode specifically focuses on Monica’s experience with her date Isaac, exploring the reasons behind his lack of follow-up after what seemed like a promising first meeting.
The episode kicks off with Brooke and Jeffrey engaging with listener comments, highlighting the playful suggestion from Megaldoni who humorously asks if Megaldoni’s seven-year-old could take over as the new host, dreaming of a show titled "Brooke and Charles in the Morning" at 00:37–01:06. The hosts amusingly entertain the idea, imagining a dynamic duo of Jeffrey and a child co-host, both adorned with crowns and suits, showcasing their signature potty humor.
Notable Quote:
Jeffrey: "I'm just imagining Jeff and a little seven year old in a suit taking over."
(00:58)
The heart of the episode centers around Monica’s date with Isaac, which deviates from the typical romantic narrative. Monica reaches out to the show seeking insights into why Isaac hasn't pursued a second date despite having a seemingly good time initially.
Summary of Monica’s Experience:
Initial Meeting and Expectations:
Notable Quote:
Monica: "I really liked him because there's a lot of guys on this app that they will take you forever. I don't do the back and forth, back and forth thing. But he came right down with it."
(02:36–02:46)
The Disconnect at Buffalo Wild Wings:
Notable Quote:
Monica: "I just came from Buffalo Wild Wings two nights ago with my homegirls. So what am I getting excited for now?"
(03:57–04:03)
Transition to a Cocktail Bar:
Notable Quote:
Charles: "She's a cloth napkin type of lady."
(07:34)
Brooke and Jeffrey analyze the dynamics of Monica and Isaac's date, pondering why Isaac chose not to pursue a second meeting despite the positive adjustments made by Monica.
Key Points Discussed:
Monica’s Assertiveness: Monica took charge in steering the date towards her preferences, which may have inadvertently intimidated Isaac.
Notable Quote:
Jeffrey: "He's busy. She taught him too well. Yeah, he's a good. He's big."
(06:25)
Isaac’s Perspective: The hosts speculate that Isaac might have found Monica’s corrections or high standards off-putting, leading to his decision to ghost rather than communicate his feelings.
Expectation vs. Reality: The episode underscores the importance of aligning expectations in early dating stages to foster mutual understanding and attraction.
In a bold move, Brooke and Charles call Isaac live on air to address the situation directly, bringing Monica into the conversation to uncover the root of the fallout.
Highlights from the Call:
Isaac’s Defense:
Notable Quote:
Isaac: "Because in these new dating apps, it's better to start out something very casual. Another date, we graduate to something a little better."
(11:20–11:48)
Monica’s Retort:
Notable Quote:
Monica: "My role is to be cared for. That's my love language. I love to be taken care of. And if it works for me, it works for me."
(15:09)
Conflict Escalation:
Notable Quote:
Isaac: "No one's dodging or running. What I'm doing is ghosting. Bye."
(16:19–16:25)
Final Exchanges:
Notable Quote:
Brooke: "Because you would never date a guy who is doing what you do."
(15:04)
The episode wraps up with Brooke and Jeffrey reflecting on Monica and Isaac’s interaction, emphasizing the complexities of establishing compatibility and communication in the early stages of dating. They highlight the importance of mutual respect, understanding, and clear expectations to foster meaningful connections.
Final Thoughts:
Monica’s Perspective: Monica sought a gentlemanly relationship where she could be cared for, but her assertiveness in redirecting the date may have overshadowed her intentions.
Notable Quote:
Monica: "I'm the lady for real. I want silverware. I don't want plastic utensils."
(05:56)
Hosts’ Advice: Brooke and Jeffrey encourage listeners to establish boundaries and communicate expectations early, rather than during the date, to avoid misunderstandings and ensure both parties are on the same page.
Notable Quote:
Brooke: "I just think that if you have some boundaries, that they should be established before the date, not when you're in the middle of it."
(06:58)
Brooke and Jeffrey conclude the episode by reaffirming their commitment to assisting listeners in navigating the tumultuous waters of dating, promising to follow up on Monica’s story and potentially helping Isaac understand the missed connection.
Notable Quote:
Brooke: "Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning."
(18:33)
This episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update" offers a candid exploration of the challenges in modern dating, highlighting the delicate balance between personal expectations and the dynamics of interpersonal communication. Through Monica’s story and the hosts’ engaging discourse, listeners gain valuable insights into fostering healthier and more fulfilling romantic connections.