Second Date Update: Beer & Butterfly Kisses

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Second Date Update: Beer & Butterfly Kisses"

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Episode Date: December 3, 2025
Episode Title: Beer & Butterfly Kisses

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Overview

This episode of "Second Date Update" features Claire, a listener who had a uniquely memorable first date with James involving bowling, beer, and a whimsical trip to a butterfly house. After ten days of friendly texting and making plans to meet again, James abruptly stops responding, prompting a concerned Claire to reach out to the show for answers. What follows is an unexpectedly awkward and hilarious journey through dating optimism, misread signals, and a massive overstep in post-date etiquette.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Claire’s Dating Dilemma and Backstory (04:34 – 07:53)

• Claire: Reaches out to the show, worried about James because he hasn’t responded in three days, which she finds out of character.
• Hosts: Probe whether Claire knew James prior to the date, noting her strong belief that he wouldn’t ghost her seems intense given they just met.
  • “So, Claire, why is Brooke laughing at you?” – Jeff (05:00)
• Claire: “He just gave off that vibe.” (05:47)

2. The Date Recap: Bowling, Beer & Butterflies (06:51 – 09:37)

• Claire: Describes their adventurous first date:
  • Bowling (they shared flirty moments, like fighting over the bowling ball)
  • Shared fries and a beer at the alley
  • Visiting an indoor butterfly house (“It was such a fun idea. He’s normally just so considerate.” 07:23)
• No physical kisses, but Claire expresses she was open to it.

3. Optimism vs. Reality: Signs of Trouble (08:39 – 10:46)

• Co-hosts: Question if Claire might be misinterpreting signals; she remains steadfast.
  • “Were there any butterfly kisses inside the butterfly exhibit?” – Jeff (08:48)
• Claire: “If he would have tried it, I would have been very, very open to it.” (08:59)
• They discuss how James said he was really busy with work before ghosting.

4. Reaching Out to James: The Confrontation (12:40 – 19:28)

• James takes the call and is immediately reserved upon learning Claire is involved.
  • “Please don't say the name that I think that you're about to say.” – James (13:42)
• The Reason for Ghosting:
  • James explains it wasn’t the texting (“She was a little bit over eager” 14:42) but the fact that Claire tried to arrange meetups every day and crossed a line by contacting his workplace (15:21).
• James: “She called my work… A woman named Claire reached out and wanted to do a welfare check on me.” (15:26)
• Claire, unrepentant, says: “If caring is a crime, then I’m guilty. I just care about you.” (16:27)
• Notable moment: Claire refers to herself as his “girlfriend” after just one date:
  • James: "You're not my girlfriend. We hung out once. What are you talking about?" (16:50)
  • Claire: "Not yet, but I'm just showing I want to spend more time with you." (16:53)
• Co-hosts’ guidance: Stress that calling someone’s workplace is a huge boundary violation (17:34).

5. The Resolution: Second Date Request and Rejection (18:39 – 19:32)

• Claire remains obliviously optimistic, suggesting pizza and another butterfly date.
  • “Are we past that now? We should do pizza and butterflies for our next date.” (18:39)
• James’ clear answer: “No. No, no, no.” (19:27)
• Co-hosts: Gently but firmly point out that caring less is the lesson here, not caring “harder.”

6. Reflection: What Did We Learn? (22:01 – 22:46)

• Hosts reflect on Claire’s over-the-top optimism and lack of awareness of social dating norms.
  • “She really was like the perfect dater for our show. She had no idea. She never listened to the show. Still optimism about dating.” (22:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Claire (On her optimism): "I feel like I have [known him forever]. Cause he's, like, a special person to me." (07:37)
• Jeff (On ghosting): "It starts to hurt less and less the more it happens to you...Now you're just numb." (04:46)
• James (On why he ghosted): "It just became way too much for me. Then she...she just crossed the line...She called my work." (14:48 – 15:26)
• Co-host 2 (on boundaries): "That is a huge boundary to cross. You just never call someone's workplace." (17:34)
• Claire (Unapologetic): "Yes I can and yes I did." (17:42)
• James (Deadpan rejection): “No. No, no, no.” (19:27)
• Claire (Doubling down): “I've learned that people don't understand what caring is these days. And I just have to care harder.” (19:45)
• James (begging): “Please listen to them. Care less about me. Care less about other people.” (19:56)

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Key Timestamps

• 04:34 – Start of Second Date discussion: Claire’s concern about James
• 06:51 – Claire describes her date with James
• 08:48 – Bowling, beer, and butterfly house details
• 12:40 – Live call to James begins
• 14:31 – James explains Claire’s "forcefulness"
• 15:21 – James reveals Claire called his workplace
• 16:27 – Claire: “If caring is a crime, then I’m guilty.”
• 17:34 – Co-hosts explain why this is a massive dating foul
• 18:39 – Claire suggests a second date
• 19:27 – James' emphatic refusal
• 22:01 – Show reflection on Claire’s optimism

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its blend of cringe and comedy, reflecting just how wildly dating expectations can differ. Claire’s extreme optimism and lack of boundary awareness lead to a spectacular mismatch with James, culminating in a lesson—sometimes, less is more when it comes to showing you care.

For listeners, it's an entertaining (and cautionary) tale of navigating post-date anxieties, appropriate follow-up, and the importance of respecting boundaries in the modern dating world.

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Transcript

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[Co-host 2]

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[James]

Yes.

[Co-host 2]

Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone who's tagging us on social media at Brooke and Jeffrey and sharing. Yeah, totally sharing their. Their Spotify wrapped. Yeah, especially when we're in the top for. I know people are texting into 78592.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

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[Co-host 2]

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[Co-host 1]

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[Co-host 2]

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[Co-host 1]

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[Jeffrey]

Yes.

[Co-host 2]

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[Brooke]

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[Co-host 2]

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[Co-host 1]

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[Co-host 2]

Yeah, please. And keep tagging us. It's at Brooke and Jeffrey, we love you so much. We've got a brand new. What are we doing right now? Second date.

[Brooke]

Yep.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, that's the name of this podcast. So we're doing it. It's brand new. It's right now.

[Jeff]

Second date update. When you get ghosted after a first date, is it hurtful?

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, no, of course it is, Jeff. If you don't have to tell yourself it doesn't hurt.

[Jeff]

It does. I mean, good news is it starts to hurt less and less the more it happens to you. Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

Now you're just numb.

[Jeff]

Yeah, that numbness kind of Nice feeling.

[Co-host 2]

But it's not a feeling. That's the whole point of the number.

[Jeff]

Exactly. Now we're on the same page. But our listener, Claire, believes there's something more behind why her date isn't reaching out to her, and she's come to us asking for assistance. So, Claire, why is Brooke laughing at you?

[Co-host 1]

I don't know already.

[Co-host 2]

I'm just wondering if she is, like, totally insulted by your intro here. Like, have you been ghosted that many times, Claire?

[Claire]

No, I'm just super worried about him.

[Co-host 1]

Oh, wow, you're worried.

[Co-host 2]

Oh, wow.

[Jeff]

Why do you say that?

[Claire]

I mean, okay, first of all, his name is James, and he's just not the type of guy that would go to me like. But he has not responded to me at all in, like, three days.

[Co-host 2]

Is he someone that you already knew before you went on a date?

[Jeff]

Because the way that you're talking, it sounds like you've known him for a while when you say, he would never do that to me.

[Claire]

Yeah, no, I haven't, but he just gave off that bob.

[Co-host 1]

You guys hit it off back and forth, back and forth, and all of a sudden, nothing is weird.

[Co-host 2]

Here's the thing, though. Vibes can lie. You know, sometimes they're big fat liars. Those vibes.

[Co-host 1]

People can also lie.

[Brooke]

Fat liars. Those vibes.

[Co-host 2]

Real quote, well spoken.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah, those vibes are liars.

[Co-host 2]

Can't always trust them.

[Jeff]

Claire, you. You're genuinely worried about him?

[Claire]

Well, I mean, it's just that he works a lot, you know, and he has, like, a really stressful work environment. He has a really important sales job, and he's, like, working all the time.

[Co-host 2]

Okay, so that would make sense that he wouldn't be able to contact you for three days.

[Jeff]

Yeah. So how many D have you had with him? Because it sounds like you've had a few.

[Claire]

So, yeah, I mean, we went on a date like 10 days ago, but we were texting after that, trying to plan something else, and then he just stopped responding.

[Jeff]

Okay, so three days ago, he stopped responding to your texts, and that's why you're worried.

[Claire]

Okay, exactly.

[Jeff]

Got it. So let's go back to the date. What did you guys do for it?

[Claire]

Okay, so first of all, we went bowling.

[Co-host 2]

Fun.

[Claire]

And then we went to this place that's like an indoor butterfly house type of thing where the butterfly butterflies, like, land on you.

[Co-host 1]

Those are cool, but kind of scary. I remember one time as a kid, a giant butterfly flew about me. I thought I was gonna die.

[Co-host 2]

You really gotta watch where you step to oh, no.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

Think about killing them. Just say they landed on the ground and you gotta have your eyes down at all times.

[Co-host 1]

Looks like that one was still a caterpillar.

[Jeff]

Brook is banned from the butterfly. Okay.

[Claire]

It was such a fun idea. And he's normally, like, very. Just considerate. I just thought it was so nice.

[Co-host 2]

It's interesting that you keep saying normally ye. Because you've had one experience, but you're.

[Jeff]

Talking like you've known him for a really, really long time.

[Claire]

Well, I feel like I have. Cause he's, like a special person to me.

[Jeff]

Okay, so you haven't dated for a while then, have you?

[Claire]

I mean, not really, I guess. But he just. We just clicked. I mean, we just bobbed. We just. Everything was just great with us.

[Co-host 2]

Can you tell us any moments where it felt reciprocal? Like he was also on the same page as you?

[Claire]

Oh, yeah. Okay. So we were bowling, and, like, he picked up my bowling ball, and I thought it was by mistake, but it really wasn't. And he tried to bowl with my ball. I had to, like, take it from him. And we just laughed about it. And we thought it was the funniest thing ever.

[Co-host 1]

That is one ounce lighter.

[Claire]

Silly. She still, like, we were connecting.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

It's strange that you'd grab it from his hands, but I like it.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

I can't use my ball.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Co-host 1]

I mean, it's cute to them. It's cute, right?

[Jeff]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess so.

[Claire]

It was my ball.

[Co-host 1]

I get that.

[Co-host 2]

I see you. That was just a flirty moment that you two had. That's cool.

[Jeff]

Nice. Were there, like, drinks and food involved in the date?

[Claire]

I mean, we weren't that hungry, so we just split up. Some fries and a beer.

[Co-host 1]

Bowling alley food.

[Jeff]

Perfect.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Jeff]

Were there any butterfly kisses inside of the butterfly exhibit?

[Co-host 1]

Oh, how cringe.

[Co-host 2]

That's the eyelash one, right?

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

It feels like the right place to do weird.

[Claire]

There were no kisses. But if he would have tried it, I would have been very, very open to it. And my lashes would have been like butterflies as well.

[Co-host 1]

You're done for all types of kissing. Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

Flutter, flutter.

[Jeff]

I don't know what base that is, but she would go there.

[Co-host 1]

In the butterfly world. That's like, second.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Co-host 2]

I mean, it sounds like you left that date feeling 100% sure you'd see him again.

[Claire]

Absolutely. I mean, we were even texting back and forth, making future plans, and then he just came up with this, I gotta find some free time because I'm working right now and things are busy. And then he Stopped responding like three days ago.

[Jeff]

What if we find out after we call him that he actually blew you off on purpose and he's just trying to be nice about it?

[Claire]

He wouldn't do that. There's no way.

[Co-host 2]

You are so positive. Yeah, I feel like you haven't listened.

[Brooke]

To our show enough.

[Co-host 1]

Something's coming.

[Jeff]

That's fine.

[Claire]

Well, my friend did recommend you. I don't listen normally, but that's why.

[Co-host 2]

There'S so much hope. All right, got it.

[Jeff]

So you said three days ago he suddenly cut off communication with you and you're just trying to figure out what's going on.

[Claire]

Yeah, I mean, I'm just worried because something could have happened. So I'm thinking maybe if you guys call him, we can get this whole thing sorted out.

[Co-host 2]

Are we going to destroy that I blocked you? I feel like we're going to ruin the last optimistic person that's left in the dating world right now.

[Jeff]

You know, but remember what I said about numbness in the beginning. We can start that process right now.

[Co-host 1]

Y back.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, no, I have hope for you. Yeah, he's stuck in an elevator. I'm sure of it. Definitely.

[Jeff]

Okay, we'll get the laughing gas ready just in case when we call James for you and try to get you your second date update right after this.

[Claire]

Thanks, guys.

[Jeff]

Second date update. If you're just joining us, we've been talking to Claire who had the three Bs on her first date.

[Co-host 2]

Oh, what's that?

[Jeff]

Bowling, beer and butterflies.

[Co-host 2]

Oh, wow.

[Co-host 1]

You wouldn't think those go together.

[James]

There it is.

[Jeff]

They do. Not just the nervous tummy butterflies either. Actual real ones flying around inside of a butterfly house.

[Co-host 2]

It's kind of cute.

[Jeff]

Definitely different than what we've had before, but she's come to us very concerned. Cuz 3 days ago her guy James fully stopped responding.

[Co-host 2]

I feel like this whole episode is brought to you by the number three right now.

[Jeff]

Yeah, lots of threes. And it was weird cuz they were in the middle of planning their next meetup.

[Co-host 2]

Well, I mean, it sounds like he wasn't giving her exact dates and time.

[Jeff]

Claire Brooks calling you a liar?

[Co-host 2]

No, no, no. I just think that she may have misinterpreted his text. Like he was saying, I'm busy, I'm busy.

[Jeff]

Yeah, she did say that she was new at dating, so maybe she doesn't know how to navigate this situation quite the right way.

[Co-host 1]

And she's new to our show. She doesn't really listen.

[Co-host 2]

Incompetent now, Jeffrey?

[Jeff]

Yes, I am. No, I'M just kidding, Claire. But we are going to reach out to James because you said he's not answering when you call. You think maybe he'll pick up for us, boss?

[Claire]

I'm hopeful, okay?

[Co-host 2]

You are very hopeful. She is. She is. And she's concerned about his safety and thinks something could have happened.

[Claire]

Yeah, like I think something probably did because there's no way that he wouldn't reach out to me.

[Jeffrey]

Really?

[Co-host 2]

Sometimes I wish we could do these in person so we could hug each other afterwards and just make each other feel better, you know?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jeff]

Why'd you make eye contact with me when you said that?

[Co-host 2]

I wasn't talking about hugging you.

[Claire]

I'd be up for that. I do this in person.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Okay. Well, I'll give you Brook's home address after this is over, so you can go over there and hug it out all you want. Anyway, let's. Let's call James right now. Hopefully he answers, we can get to the bottom of this, figure out why three days ago he fully cut off communication with you.

[Claire]

Thank you.

[Jeff]

I'm sure it'll be a happy story. Here we go.

[James]

Hello, this is James.

[Co-host 2]

Oh, very formal.

[Jeff]

Oh, wow. Hi, James. You're on the radio right now, James.

[James]

The radio?

[Jeff]

Yeah, that's a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Co-host 1]

Good morning.

[James]

Good morning. How can I help you out here?

[Jeff]

Well, we're really happy to hear your voice and that you're doing okay, it sounds like.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah, that's for sure.

[Co-host 2]

I don't know. He could be in the hospital right now for all we know.

[Jeff]

He picked up, though. That's a really good start.

[James]

I'm sorry, this is about.

[Jeff]

Yeah, this is a. It's a segment we do on our show. It's called the Second Date Update.

[Co-host 2]

You're kind of like the star of it today.

[James]

Okay, that doesn't sound too great.

[Co-host 2]

It's kind of fun.

[Jeff]

Yeah, it's not a bad thing. It just means somebody out there is trying to see you again and they haven't been able to get a hold of you.

[James]

Please don't say the name that I think that you're about to say.

[Co-host 2]

Wait, there's a certain name you don't.

[Jeff]

What name are you thinking?

[James]

Claire.

[Jeff]

That's her. That's it? Yes.

[James]

What is she doing? Oh, my goodness.

[Jeff]

She's just trying to get a hold of you because she said basically that you two had an awesome date together where you went bowling and you visited a butterfly house, and she was telling us how fun and how thoughtful it was. That you came up with that for her. Oh, she had a lot of positive things to say about you. Yeah.

[James]

Oh, really? Did she. Did she happen to tell you anything else? Like what happened after?

[Co-host 2]

I mean, she told us that you guys were texting, trying to figure out a date to get back together, right?

[James]

No, no. Wasn't the texting. Honestly, it was about the forcefulness in the meetups.

[Co-host 2]

What did you say?

[Jeff]

Forcefulness?

[Co-host 2]

But meetups? You only had one meetup. You just saw each other on one date.

[James]

Yeah, I know, but I'm a very busy guy. I do a lot of different things for work.

[Jeff]

Okay, wait. So she was a little bit over eager, it sounds like, to see you again?

[James]

I think that's an understatement. I mean, if I couldn't hang out Tuesday, she would say, what about Wednesday? What about Thursday? What about Friday? It just became way too much for me. Then she. She just crossed the line.

[Co-host 2]

Okay, Is that the line?

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

What.

[Jeff]

What line did she cross?

[Co-host 2]

The Wednesday, Thursday, Friday line?

[Jeff]

Is that what you mean? Is that the line suggesting other days?

[James]

No, no, it was worse.

[Co-host 2]

Okay, I think she is totally clueless that she made you feel uncomfortable or whatever it is.

[James]

I. I don't think so.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Why are you so sure that she should know she made a mistake?

[James]

Because she called my work.

[Co-host 2]

What?

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Co-host 1]

She called your job?

[James]

Yeah. Yeah, I was at work and HR called me, and a woman named Claire reached out and wanted to do a welfare check on me.

[Co-host 2]

What? Whoa. I know.

[Jeff]

At your work?

[James]

Yes, at work. And she's telling her that we need to move my schedule around and workload around. Like, what's going on with that?

[Jeff]

Oh, no.

[Co-host 1]

Now I think we all understand.

[Jeff]

Now listen, maybe Claire is being misunderstood here, and your manager has relayed her message in a way that painted her in a bad light.

[Co-host 1]

Oh, that's it.

[Jeff]

And maybe you are working too hard. And it's not a terrible thing if your date wants you to be less stressed.

[Co-host 1]

Jeff, you are a champion of our listeners.

[Jeff]

I just. I think. I think you should talk to Claire about it because she is on the phone with us right now wanting to speak to you.

[James]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff]

Oh, no.

[Co-host 2]

Isn't it better to speak to her instead of speaking through your HR to her?

[Jeff]

I couldn't agree with you more, but there she is. Talk to Claire.

[Claire]

Claire.

[James]

Claire, what are you doing?

[Claire]

Hey, if Carrie is a crime, then I'm guilty. I just care about you. We went on one date. Yeah, one special date.

[Co-host 2]

Claire, why would you call his hr?

[Claire]

I mean, no other girlfriend Would do that for a guy.

[Jeffrey]

Whoa.

[James]

Girlfriend.

[Co-host 1]

Why did you say girlfriend?

[Jeff]

You're labeling it.

[James]

You're not my girlfriend. We hung out once. What are you talking about?

[Claire]

Not yet, but I'm just showing that I want to spend more time with you.

[James]

I mean. I mean, what are we. What are we really doing here? I had to meet with my HR department. I had to meet with my boss. You're messing with my job. You're messing with my way of living. Like, you don't even know what I do. You don't even know exactly what I'm doing at work.

[Claire]

Well, listen, here's what I do know. I know you work in sales, and I know you were stressed out, so I was just trying to help you with that.

[Jeff]

In Claire's defense, the reason that. I mean, according to her, you kept saying you couldn't meet up because you were too busy with work. So she's trying to problem solve number.

[Co-host 2]

One of not hanging out with people.

[Jeff]

Yeah, well, she's not buying it.

[Co-host 2]

That is a huge boundary to cross. You just never call someone's workplace. It's just, you don't. I mean, I honestly feel like it has to be said for Claire to.

[Claire]

Understand that, yes, I can and yes, I did.

[Jeff]

Don't call the workplace. Just call directly to their family. No.

[Co-host 2]

Wow.

[Jeff]

Where is the right thing to do?

[Claire]

I mean, I want to call his family, but I didn't have their number.

[Co-host 2]

Oh, my God.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[James]

Okay.

[Jeff]

This is easy to fix. James, what's your family's phone number?

[James]

Yeah, listen, you guys, I don't know what's going on here, but this is the first time that I've ever gone on a date where whoever I went on a date with tried to free up my schedule just to see them.

[Co-host 2]

You're lucky she didn't quit for you.

[Co-host 1]

It is funny to be like, oh, I'm busy. And she's like, oh, I'll take care of that. You're not busy anymore.

[Jeff]

Well, okay, I see them. The. You had good intentions in your heart when you did it, but for James, you crossed the line.

[Co-host 2]

I think for anyone. That's the thing. Anyone. Don't do that.

[Jeff]

But specifically for James in this scenario.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah.

[Claire]

Okay, well, now that we're past that.

[Jeff]

Good.

[Claire]

Are we passed now we should do pizza and butterflies for our next date.

[Co-host 2]

What?

[Jeff]

Oh, pizza and butterfly.

[Co-host 2]

Going back to butterfly. The butterflies.

[Jeff]

The butterfly kisses.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Jeff gave her the idea.

[Claire]

Yeah, yeah. Don't ruin the idea. I mean, I think the butterfly kisses are. It's a great idea.

[Jeff]

Oh, sorry. Sorry, James, pretend you didn't hear that. Okay. Blank that out of your memory. All I want you to focus on is will you go out on another date with Claire and we would pay for it.

[Co-host 2]

We're talking to James now?

[Jeff]

Yes.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Co-host 1]

You get pizza, and she will rub her lashes off.

[Jeffrey]

Your.

[Co-host 2]

Claire, I think you need to hear this response. Okay? So make sure you're paying attention.

[Claire]

My ears are all the way open.

[Jeffrey]

Oh.

[Jeff]

Oh, my. Okay.

[Co-host 2]

All right.

[Jeff]

So, James, what do you think about giving Claire one more chance?

[James]

No. No, no, no.

[Jeff]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host 2]

Shocker.

[Jeff]

You didn't have to laugh, though.

[Co-host 1]

That was the only time he laughed.

[Claire]

Well, that was rude.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, so was calling his workplace. Gosh.

[Jeff]

Okay, I understand. This is when someone's new to dating. There's a lot of new rules and stuff you got to learn. So maybe learning moment for you.

[Claire]

I've learned that people don't understand what caring is these days. And I just have to care harder.

[Co-host 2]

No, no, no.

[Jeff]

Harder, please.

[Co-host 2]

That is the opposite. Care less.

[James]

Please listen to them. Care less about me. Care less about other people.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

And that's the message that we are going to leave today. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Care less about everyone.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Brooke]

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[Jeff]

I mean, look, the positive that we can take out of this is what Jaz, I really don't think we deterred her at all. She still sounds very hopeful. And by hopeful, I mean hopefully she's not already inside his apartment making dinner.

[Co-host 2]

Yes, like she needed some reality here.

[Co-host 1]

She really was like the perfect dater for our show. She had no idea. She never listened to the show. She's still optimism about dating. I mean, she got blindsided here.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, she got blindsided. She called us work Jose. What are you talking about?

[Co-host 1]

She didn't know that was bad.

[Jeff]

To do him a favor and. And take the stress away.

[Co-host 1]

No, she did not see this coming.

[Co-host 2]

Brooke, don't ever call anyone's place of employment ever. No, I feel like we're gonna hear from her again. Yeah, it's not gonna be her first ghosting.

[Jeff]

And I think we're all just jealous of her relentless optimism because that's exactly what you need to survive this dating world. So I predict she'll be fine. And if you need some optimism that your dating life isn't completely tragic, go to our podcast.

[Co-host 2]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say call somebody else, but yeah, that would work too. By comparison. Yeah.

[Jeff]

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[Jeff]

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[Brooke]

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[Claire]

Pepperidge Farm cookies.

[Jeff]

Milano mint chocolate.

[Jeffrey]

So rich.

[Jeff]

Chessman butter cookies.

[Co-host 2]

So buttery.

[Jeff]

And Linza raspberry. A holiday classic.

[Jeffrey]

These are Fancy Santa.

[Jeff]

Fancy Santa. Fancy Santa.

[Co-host 2]

Designer cologne.

[Jeff]

Spritz Me.

[Co-host 2]

Vintage timepiece.

[Jeff]

Classy oak lock. Gold chain. Hmm.

[Co-host 2]

With diamonds.

[Jeff]

Now that's fancy. Pepperidge Farm cookies. Fancy a taste.