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The big question today would be, could you get over this? Could you forgive this guy for what he did on this date? Let us know. Yes. It's your second date update podcast with Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Thank you so much for finding us. And before we start, we always love to highlight your comments because they mean a lot to us. It's awesome that you interact and let us know how you're feeling. So what do you see, Alexis?
Brooke
Oh, I saw one from TJ Luxembourg.
Alexis
Who said, I like to listen to.
Brooke
You guys in the morning on my way to work.
Alexis
And all I have to say is.
Brooke
Sometimes I think my past dates were weird, but due to your second date.
Jeff
Updates, I think they might be normal.
Alexis
Seriously? Honestly, you know, true it. I will say that online dating has given us endless supply of people with crazy stories.
Jeff
Oh yeah, someone on my stream yesterday mentioned the whole reason they listen is because one time they were flipping the channels and they heard about the guy using dressed like a dinosaur on his date stomping on legos.
Alexis
Yes.
Jeff
And they were like, I was hooked.
Mike
On your show after that.
Alexis
Yeah, that'll do it.
Jeff
Thanks for having awful dating lives.
Alexis
Yeah, seriously. And if you ever want help, you can go to our website. It's brookeandjeffrey.com and there's a little submit button there. So share away and let's get your second date started.
Jeff
Second date update. We really need to get a victory today.
Alexis
Okay?
Jeff
Not just for our listener, but for ourselves too.
Alexis
Cause I'll always take a victory.
Jeff
Brooke's going through some deep ish right now with her life. Oh, boy. Jose and I tried to high five in the break room and missed.
Alexis
Ooh, that's embarrassing.
Jeff
Bad hand, eye coordination, Sad moment. And then Alexis's spray tan only covered three quarters of her body. This week.
Alexis
Okay, guys, it's hard to get my back on my own.
Jeff
Okay. And that's better than usual, by the way. Yeah, it's a mess. And we're all a little down and out right now, including Tiffany, who's on the phone because she's having trouble getting a guy to ask her out again. Tiffany, if you could describe your mood right now using one emoji, what emoji would it be? Oh, I like this question.
Tiffany
Probably that one. That's, like, the dejected sad face, the little squinty eyes.
Alexis
Oh, with the droopy eyes.
Jeff
The one that's drooling.
Tiffany
Not that one.
Jeff
Like the puppy dog eyes.
Alexis
Okay, you guys, this is a visual thing.
Jeff
Maybe asking emojis wasn't the best way to start this. Yeah, Tiffany, but maybe instead tell us about the guy that you want us to contact. Who's he?
Tiffany
Yeah, so, Mike, we met on an app, and I thought he was really funny. He, like. One thing I remember from his profile was that he liked to take the scenic route, you know?
Jeff
Oh, that's what he wrote as his, like, bio.
Tiffany
It was like his little tagline. Yeah, I thought that was kind of cute.
Alexis
All right.
Jeff
Okay. So he takes a long time to do stuff that most people get done. Done in a short amount. Smell the roses kind of guy.
Alexis
I feel like he's just late to everything. That's what it sounds like.
Tiffany
Well, I mean, it. It left room for discovery. Like, is he later? Is he more just like a really present. Soak up time with people?
Jeff
Maybe he has add like me. Yeah. Okay.
Alexis
What'd you guys do on your date?
Tiffany
Well, so we talked a lot before our date. Like, I'm. I'm not someone who just, like, dates a lot of people. I'm a one at a time kind of person, and I wanted to really get to know him before we went out. So we talked a lot, and he.
Jeff
Takes the scenic route. Even setting up a first date takes a long time.
Tiffany
Maybe I'm a scenic route kind of person myself, but.
Jeff
Okay. So what'd you guys talk about?
Tiffany
We talked about all sorts of things, and we had really good conversation, and then he asked me out, and we. I didn't tell you guys this because I know it's, like, technically second date update, but we actually have been out twice, so the first time was happy hour, and I just, like, wanted to talk to him more. So when he asked me how, the second time I went and he asked me to go back to his place and watch a movie, and I did. And Stayed the night and then you.
Alexis
Did stay the night.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Alexis
Nice.
Jeff
Wow.
Tiffany
It was just like one of those things where when we were at his place, it just felt like we had known each other for a really long time. Like it was comfortable, we were cozy. It just felt good. It didn't feel like, oh, this is the first time I'm at your place. It felt, it felt very like, I.
Jeff
Don'T know, like hanging out with a family member. Like a younger brother. I mean, a distant family member.
Alexis
Like someone you've been in a relationship with.
Jeff
Yeah, that's what I said. No, no different relationships.
Alexis
Do you think you said anything to scare him? Like you talked too much about wanting to be in a relationship or something.
Tiffany
I mean, honestly, anything is possible. Like I don't claim to be the perfect dater or anything like that. This just felt good and I'm confused.
Jeff
Natural and easy. That's amazing.
Tiffany
Yeah, it was easy.
Jeff
Maybe too natural and easy is a red flag though. Sometimes people get scared by that. I need more effort. There should be more problems here.
Tiffany
Yeah, I just, I. I don't know. I didn't see any problems. And then since then it's just been like friends. It's been very much like the texts aren't as common or as frequent and I don't know, something, he is just like friendly and I don't know, like if he met someone else or if something went wrong.
Jeff
Ok, it seems a little bit odd, especially because you've been out with him twice and spent the night.
Alexis
I mean, Alexis talk so much.
Jeff
If that ever happened to you, like, what's your read on the situation?
Brooke
You better text me the next day after I leave.
Jeff
I was asking, what do you think that you did wrong, Alexis?
Alexis
Nothing.
Brooke
Never me.
Jeff
Oh, it's not your problem. Something's wrong with the guy.
Alexis
Dumb question. Jeffrey.
Jeff
Tiffany, do you think that there's anything that you could have done wrong?
Tiffany
I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure it's possible, but that's kind of what I need help with. Like, I just don't know.
Alexis
It may be like I know you're a date only one person at a time type of person, but maybe he's not. Did you guys discuss that?
Tiffany
Yeah, like on his dating profile it said he was looking for a long term relationship and marriage. So unless he lied about that. I thought we were kind of on the same page.
Alexis
So he does. I mean like even that is set in the vibe where he's not like a one night only type of guy.
Jeff
Well, some Guys may. May be embarrassed by their performance or something. Or maybe he's a little shy and he's like, okay. Wasn't my best. I think. I think we get it. No, I think we get it. But Brooke said what? So I keep going.
Alexis
It's like she's calling him back. Yeah, enough affirmation.
Jeff
And Tiffany wouldn't want to. Tiffany, he doesn't have anything to be embarrassed about, right?
Tiffany
No, definitely not the way she said it.
Jeff
He definitely does. But sometimes when. When somebody likes the scenic route. I mean, you just want to see the scenes one time, and then you're good. You don't keep driving back down that same road over and over again. He's seen this movie.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Jeff
So maybe he's seen it before.
Alexis
I don't know that that's an analogy I've ever heard.
Jeff
Not when you're looking for love. We're trying to find answers here. And hopefully we already kissed once. Been there. We'll see what he has to say, though, when we come back. And try and get your second date update right after this.
Tiffany
All right, sounds good.
Jeff
Okay, hold on. Second date update. We've been talking to Tiffany about her D. That's plural, because she went on two of them with a guy named Mike. The second one ended in a sleepover over at his place. Another flex.
Alexis
I don't know if I've ever called it a sleepover.
Jeff
Jeff, that's what it was. An adult sleepover. And, Tiffany, I feel like we've gotten close enough over the last few minutes for me to call you a nickname at this point. Is it cool if I call you T Dog? Or should I just stick with Tiff?
Tiffany
No, I prefer Tiffany, my friend.
Jeff
Oh, the full Tiffany. Okay, yeah, sorry.
Alexis
Dog is just insulting. Almost.
Jeff
Yeah. You can't just add dog to it. No, that's how you know that I'm cool with you if I put a dog afterwards.
Alexis
But Jada. Okay, let's move forward.
Jeff
So Tiffany is confused because after having this great connection with Mike, who. Maybe I should call Michael to not offend her. At this point, he's not calling her back, and she wants some answers. Luckily, Brooke knows exactly what went wrong. Brooke? Go ahead, tell us.
Alexis
Yes, I actually have no idea. Why would I know? I mean, it sounds lovely.
Jeff
You have the answers.
Alexis
No, I'm actually.
Jeff
What are we gonna do now?
Alexis
I'm bummed out for her. You know, it's a guy who says he's looking for a serious relationship. He makes an amazing connection with a woman. Yeah, that.
Jeff
Great time.
Alexis
Yeah. Totally. And then nothing.
Jeff
Does that make you feel better? Tiffany, there's no reason for him to not be calling you back. But he's still not doing it.
Alexis
Feel better?
Tiffany
I guess. Not really.
Jeff
You've depressed her even more.
Alexis
Maybe there's a reasonable explanation.
Tiffany
Yeah, I mean, I just. I thought he was really lovely. It felt really easy. It felt right. I. I would really like to see where it goes because I don't feel that, like, comfort and natural feeling on dates very often, you know, I'm really.
Alexis
Hoping this works out for you.
Jeff
Well, let's find out for sure. We're gonna call him and see what he has to say.
Tiffany
Thank you.
Jeff
All right, let's get mdog up on the line.
Mike
Here we go.
Alexis
Jeff, don't do that.
Mike
Hello?
Jeff
Hey, what's up? Is this Mike?
Mike
Yep, this is he. Who's this?
Jeff
Hey, my name is Jeff, but all my friends call me J Dog.
Alexis
We don't. Do they really?
Mike
I'm sorry. How can I help you?
Jeff
Hey, I'm sorry, what's going on? Yeah, you're on a radio show right now called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
Alexis
Hey, Mike.
Mike
Okay, I've kind of heard of you guys.
Jeff
Oh, nice.
Alexis
Kind of.
Mike
Why am I on this show?
Jeff
Well, you're on this show for a segment we do called a second date update because you went out on a couple hot dates with one of our listeners named Tiffany.
Mike
Oh, Tiffany, huh?
Alexis
Yeah. Sounds like you two had a lot of fun together.
Mike
I don't know if they were hot dates, but yeah, we went on a few dates. They were interesting, that's for sure.
Alexis
Wait, did you say that they weren't hot?
Mike
I didn't find them to be that great. I don't know, maybe insulting, a little depressing, middle of the let down. She's a nice girl and all, but.
Alexis
Didn'T she stay the night at your.
Jeff
House still be depressing? Yeah.
Tiffany
Wow.
Jeff
So cry.
Mike
I don't know how much you talked to Tiffany, but.
Jeff
No, we. We did speak to her a little bit. From what we've learned, there were two separate dates that you guys went on. Yeah, one was a happy hour and the second one was, I think dinner.
Alexis
And then back to your place up and you watch a movie and she stayed the night.
Mike
I mean, dinner was fine, I think. Here's the thing. She repeatedly fell asleep during kind of serious conversation about no way.
Alexis
What do you mean?
Mike
Well, let me give you example. Kind of like nail in the coffin for me was I was talking about a time I almost died once. I'm like A big outdoor rec guy. I hike, I climb, I ski. So I.
Alexis
So wait, wait, wait. Are you sitting at dinner talking about this? Are you back at the house, like on the couch? Where are you?
Mike
That moment was back at the couch after the dinner.
Alexis
Okay.
Mike
Yeah. So I'm, you know, I'm whitewater rafting. I went the wrong way almost about to go over a fall and was bad. And it's kind of the exciting, interesting part when I don't die.
Alexis
Oh, my God.
Mike
And I look over and I thought maybe she was closing her eyes because, like, ah, stress. Oh, no, no, she was. She was out like a light. Oh. And you know, I get it. We all work. Life's busy. She might have been tired, but she's falling asleep on like two other phone calls at night when we've just been chatting, trying to get to know each other.
Jeff
Oh, wow.
Alexis
I'm kind of jealous.
Brooke
She could do that.
Mike
Maybe I bore her. I don't know. My life's boring to her. Or she just likes to hear herself.
Alexis
Can I ask, was she drunk during all these times that she fell asleep?
Mike
No. Not drunk at all. Absolutely not.
Jeff
Okay.
Mike
Endless. I'm wide awake for her stories and she's telling hers and then she zonks out. I mean, I don't.
Jeff
That's interesting, because when we talked to her, Tiffany didn't mention anything about falling asleep. Probably because she didn't remember falling asleep.
Alexis
That's crazy.
Jeff
I can see during the movie because some people, you turn a movie on, they're instantly out. But the phone conversation, I mean, I.
Alexis
Could go to sleep right now and.
Jeff
Maybe it's a good idea to bring Tiffany on the line right now before she falls asleep just listening to this. Because I need to tell you, Mike, she's been on the other line this entire time.
Mike
Wait, what do you mean she's on the line now? Like, listening to our conversation?
Jeff
Yeah, that's how this segment works. We have them waiting to jump in. Tiffany?
Mike
Oh, dear.
Jeff
Are you awake?
Tiffany
Yes, I'm awake.
Jeff
Okay, there was a moment there.
Alexis
Wait, you sound mad.
Tiffany
Yeah, I'm frustrated because, really, I mean, I remember you telling me about the story that you died or whatever. Like, I remember that.
Mike
Yeah. But every time I was talking about important things in my life that weren't boring and we're interesting in full climax, you were not there. You were sleeping. You were snoozing off.
Jeff
Maybe your life isn't as interesting as you think it is, Mike. And you need to have more crazy experiences to hold her attention.
Mike
I mean, I guess that's the message. But I'm looking for, like, long term love and marriage and a partnership.
Alexis
Wait, though.
Mike
I don't want someone who falls asleep.
Jeff
In the middle of the wedding. Like, do you take this man?
Alexis
And she's like, how long are his stories? Like, let's be real. I mean, you guys. I mean, it doesn't matter if we think they're boring or not. Because Tiffany said to us, Mike, like, when you were on the phone how amazing you were and how interesting you were and how connected she felt to you.
Tiffany
Yeah, I mean, I just felt very at ease and comfortable and I guess, you know, it was a Thursday. It was the end of the week. I was at peace, and I just dozed off a little bit. Like, it's not an insult.
Alexis
God, it sounds like he has such a nice couch.
Jeff
I know. Yeah, you're the human version of a sleeping pill. That's kind of a nice thing to say.
Mike
I mean, I get. Maybe I get being comfortable around me, but I'm just not into that.
Jeff
Sorry, but you say that you're looking for long term relationships in marriage. That's kind of what happens when you get married. You kind of just start to tune each other out and fall asleep in the middle of conversations. Am I right, Brooke? I don't know.
Mike
But not at the beginning. At the beginning, hopefully. Well, yeah.
Jeff
I mean, you don't come before. You don't want your marriage to last that long.
Mike
Apparently, you know, the next morning she's kind of sheepishly like, I fell asleep. So, like, can you finish the story? And, you know, it's just like.
Alexis
Wait, what?
Mike
That's even more off putting to me.
Jeff
Oh, man.
Alexis
I thought you guys, like, had a night together. Together?
Tiffany
I never said that. I just said I spent the night there.
Mike
Oh, no, you haven't got.
Jeff
You're talking to a bunch of perverts over here that we.
Alexis
Oh, my God.
Jeff
Performance.
Alexis
But who would assume that she fell asleep in the middle of the story and the couch and just stayed the night?
Tiffany
What? I mean, what do you want? Like, we made out. It was. It was like my first time going over there. I'm not.
Jeff
Yeah, Brooke was doing that in first grade. It doesn't impress her.
Alexis
Well, like, it's hard to think of, like, making out, getting so tired immediately after that, you're like, oh, God.
Jeff
Okay, I think we're. We're kind of losing the point of the problem here, which is her falling asleep while he's trying to talk to her.
Mike
Yeah, you know, Tiffany, I really don't think you're as into me as you say you are because, like, if you were, you wouldn't be falling asleep.
Jeff
Yeah. Or.
Mike
I don't know, I just, I. I would at least have a better vibe about if you fall asleep once or something. But so many times during. I don't know.
Tiffany
I mean, I can't convince you that I had a good time. Like, I've told you, I like you. I thought it was natural. I can't convince you of that if you decided that you bore me.
Jeff
You know, the fact that she reached out to a radio station to get in touch with you is a pretty good hint that she has feelings. Some sort of feelings, but also falls asleep three times. Like actually louder than a word. Yeah, not yet, Alexis. Right. Not yet.
Mike
I know, but I just. Those feelings aren't mutual.
Jeff
Oh, really?
Alexis
That was.
Brooke
That was.
Jeff
You don't even want to give her at least a chance to stay awake for an entire date? We'll send you out at noon to. Really? And we'll pump her full of seven Red Bulls right before a coffee shop.
Mike
Yeah, yeah, no, that's. That. That wouldn't do it either. Sorry, guys.
Jeff
Well, I'm sorry it sounds like Tiffany. We're not going to be able to get you out another time with Mike.
Alexis
You know, I mean, I'm not hitting on him or anything, Jeff, but I got two kids that will not go to sleep. So if he wants to pop by my house anytime.
Jeff
Mike, if you want to babysit, we only need you for 30 minutes. Yeah, and you'll probably get further with.
Mike
Her than with Tiffany.
Jeff
Look at Jeffrey in the morning.
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I might be alone on this, but I feel like it is a compliment when somebody falls asleep while you're talking because they're so comfortable with your voice and your presence. No, it's like a warm blanket coming over.
Alexis
That's not how you show you're excited in someone, Jeff.
Jeff
Well, gives me a great excuse for when Brooke tells me another story about her kids.
Tiffany
Okay.
Jeff
Oh, what?
Mike
Brooke?
Jeff
They were doing what? Tell me more about the art project that they were doing last night. Sorry, I fell asleep because I'm just so comfortable with you and your family. Actually, you know, after hearing that, it does sound kind of bad. It isn't bad. I'm gonna switch sides.
Alexis
It's bad.
Jeff
It's not a good thing to fall asleep during a date. Ever.
Alexis
Especially it's someone's mid story about how they almost died.
Jeff
Yeah, exactly.
Alexis
He must be the worst storyteller.
Mike
Yeah.
Jeff
Maybe it would have been more story. Yeah, long. Or maybe it would be more exciting if he did die. That'd be a great story to tell.
Alexis
Be hard, I guess. That'd be forever sleep.
Jeff
Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? If you ever want to get some help getting another date, we can be that help for you. Hopefully. We promise to do better than we did today. Just email the show, we'll call that person who isn't calling you back and find any of our second day podcasts up online. Wherever you get your podcast at, Brooke and Jeffrey. Like subscribe. Like subscribe. Like subscribe. Yeah. Yeah. It'll help you not fall asleep.
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Episode Release Date: July 4, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
Podcast Title: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
In this episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update, hosts Brooke and Jeffrey delve into the complexities of modern dating by exploring a listener's experience with ghosting after seemingly successful dates. The episode, titled "Catching Feelings and Z's," offers both entertainment and insightful commentary on why someone might suddenly become unresponsive after building a promising connection.
The episode centers around Tiffany, a listener who reached out for assistance after her second date with a man named Mike. Tiffany initially connected with Mike through a dating app, where his profile highlighted his preference for "taking the scenic route," implying a desire for a thoughtful, unhurried relationship.
Tiffany recounts:
"We talked a lot before our date... we actually have been out twice, so the first time was happy hour... the second time I went and he asked me to go back to his place and watch a movie, and I did. And stayed the night."
(07:04)
Despite a comfortable and seemingly deep connection, Tiffany noticed a sudden decline in communication post-dates, leading her to seek answers.
Brooke and Jeffrey, along with co-host Alexis, dissect possible reasons behind Mike's sudden lack of engagement despite the positive initial interactions.
Jeffery posits:
"Maybe your life isn't as interesting as you think it is, Mike. And you need to have more crazy experiences to hold her attention."
(16:21)
Conversely, Alexis suggests that Tiffany's perceived exclusivity in dating ("I'm a one at a time kind of person") might clash with Mike's intentions or dating style.
Alexis remarks:
"Maybe he has ADD like me. Yeah."
(09:04)
The hosts explore the possibility that Mike may have genuine reasons for his lack of follow-up, such as being overwhelmed or misinterpreting the relationship's progress.
In a bold move, Brooke and Jeffrey decide to bring Mike onto the line to gain firsthand insight into the situation. This segment offers a raw and unfiltered look into Mike's perspective.
Mike shares:
"She repeatedly fell asleep during kind of serious conversation... and there were like two other phone calls at night when we've just been chatting, trying to get to know each other."
(14:00)
Tiffany counters by expressing that falling asleep is not a reflection of her interest but rather a testament to her comfort level.
Tiffany clarifies:
"I just felt very at ease and comfortable and I guess, you know, it was a Thursday. It was the end of the week. I was at peace, and I just dozed off a little bit."
(15:50)
The conversation highlights a disconnect between perceptions: Mike sees Tiffany's sleepiness as disinterest, while Tiffany views it as a sign of comfort and ease in his company.
Throughout the episode, Brooke and Jeffrey encourage audience interaction, highlighting listener comments and questions to foster a community dialogue about dating challenges.
Brooke emphasizes:
"You better text me the next day after I leave."
(08:27)
This playful yet pointed comment underscores the importance of communication post-date, a recurring theme in the episode.
The episode concludes without a definitive solution but emphasizes the importance of open communication and understanding individual differences in dating dynamics. Brooke and Jeffrey reiterate their role in helping listeners navigate the murky waters of modern relationships, promising continued support and entertainment.
Jeffrey humorously concludes:
"At the second date update. We'll pump her full of seven Red Bulls right before a coffee shop."
(19:35)
This light-hearted remark serves to maintain the episode's entertaining tone while acknowledging the complexities of real-life dating scenarios.
Jeffrey:
"Maybe your life isn't as interesting as you think it is, Mike. And you need to have more crazy experiences to hold her attention."
(16:21)
Tiffany:
"I just felt very at ease and comfortable and I guess, you know, it was a Thursday. It was the end of the week. I was at peace, and I just dozed off a little bit."
(15:50)
Brooke:
"You better text me the next day after I leave."
(08:27)
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update delivers a compelling narrative that combines personal storytelling with expert analysis, making it a valuable listen for anyone navigating the unpredictable terrain of dating. By featuring real-life scenarios and candid conversations, the podcast offers both relatability and practical insights, all wrapped in an engaging and entertaining format.
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