Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update Episode: Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Release Date: March 29, 2025
Host: Brooke and Jeffrey
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In the "Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion" episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update, hosts Brooke and Jeffrey delve into the often perplexing world of modern dating. Focusing on a listener's experience of being ghosted after what seemed to be a promising first date, the duo explores the reasons behind such occurrences and offers insights into securing that elusive second date.

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Listener Story: Amanda's Cowboy Confusion

The episode centers around Amanda, a listener who shared her recent dating experience. Amanda recounts meeting Zach at a coworker's happy hour, which took place in a traditional cowboy-themed bar. The ambiance, complete with horse saddle bar stools and a mechanical bull, set the stage for a memorable evening.

Key Points:

• Venue and Atmosphere: The cowboy bar's unique setting played a significant role in Amanda and Zach's interaction.

  Brooke [04:29]: "I don't want to know. I don't expect you guys to understand how fun works, but you just leave that to me."

• Initial Interaction: Amanda approached Zach, which was somewhat unconventional for her, leading to a natural and engaging conversation.

  Claire (Amanda) [06:12]: "I went next to him, so I wouldn't say that. I kind of gave myself a little more credit."

• Shared Interests: A mutual love for horseback riding became a bonding point, deepening their connection.

  Claire [06:50]: "I didn't know that a lot of people like to ride horses. Really until social media."

• Humorous Moment: Amanda shared a funny anecdote about her favorite horse, "Waffle Face," which elicited laughter from Zach.

  Brooke [07:35]: "Waffle Face. Wait, they called him Waffle?"

  Claire [07:44]: "I brought up a story when I was younger. My favorite horse, he was, like, slower. He was older and he was kind of chubby, but they called him Waffle Face."

• Dance Connection: Their shared dance to a Britney Spears song further indicated a strong connection.

  Claire [08:02]: "He started doing the dance and he started. He followed me. He was doing the same dance as I was doing it."

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Analyzing the Ghosting: Brooke and Jeffrey's Approach

After hearing Amanda's story, Brooke and Jeffrey decide to reach out to Zach to uncover his side of the story. This segment showcases the hosts' commitment to providing clarity and assistance to their listeners.

Key Points:

• Reaching Out to Zach: The hosts contact Zach to understand why he hasn’t responded to Amanda's follow-up texts.

  Brooke [12:02]: "Hey, is this Zach?"

• Zach's Reaction: Zach is initially confused and flustered upon realizing he's being contacted by the hosts about Amanda.

  Zach [12:14]: "This is Jeff, right?"

  Brooke [12:36]: "Do you remember that, Zach?"

• Conversation Dynamics: The interaction becomes a mix of humor and awkwardness as Zach tries to process the situation.

  Zach [16:16]: "I know she's. She's very beautiful."

  Brooke [16:19]: "Zach, are you disappointed in this phone call?"

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Hosts' Insights and Advice

Throughout the episode, Brooke exhibits a blend of skepticism and empathy, urging Amanda not to invest too heavily emotionally while also encouraging hope.

Notable Quotes:

• Brooke on Managing Expectations:

  Brooke [11:07]: "I mean, I just don't want you to be too invested, Amanda."

• Brooke on Balancing Hope and Realism:

  Brooke [11:12]: "You know, you plan for the worst, hope for the best, right?"

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Conclusion: The Outcome

Despite the hosts' efforts, Zach ultimately confirms that he does not see a future with Amanda. This candid revelation underscores the unpredictability of dating and the challenges of gauging mutual interest.

Key Points:

• Zach's Final Decision: Zach politely declines Amanda's invitation for a second date, citing that she isn't quite his type.

  Zach [16:19]: "If I really wanted. If I. I would have reached out or I would have found, you know, like. Okay, Amanda, you seem great. You're not quite my type."

• Hosts' Wrap-Up: Brooke and Jeffrey conclude the segment by reflecting on the importance of clear communication and understanding one's desires in the dating landscape.

  Brooke [17:15]: "It's a little cowboy reference for you, Zach. How does that sound?"

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Final Thoughts

"Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion" offers a relatable and engaging exploration of the modern dating scene. Through Amanda's story and the subsequent interaction with Zach, Brooke and Jeffrey highlight the complexities of understanding intentions and navigating the often murky waters of post-first-date interactions. Listeners are encouraged to approach dating with a balance of optimism and realism, ensuring that their pursuit of connections remains both hopeful and grounded.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Brooke [04:29]: "I don't want to know. I don't expect you guys to understand how fun works, but you just leave that to me."

• Claire [06:12]: "I went next to him, so I wouldn't say that. I kind of gave myself a little more credit."

• Brooke [07:35]: "Waffle Face. Wait, they called him Waffle?"

• Claire [08:02]: "He started doing the dance and he started. He followed me. He was doing the same dance as I was doing it."

• Brooke [11:07]: "I mean, I just don't want you to be too invested, Amanda."

• Brooke [11:12]: "You know, you plan for the worst, hope for the best, right?"

• Zach [16:19]: "If I really wanted. If I. I would have reached out or I would have found, you know, like. Okay, Amanda, you seem great. You're not quite my type."

• Brooke [17:15]: "It's a little cowboy reference for you, Zach. How does that sound?"

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the podcast episode while providing valuable context for those who haven't listened. By highlighting Amanda's experience and the hosts' analysis, the summary offers a comprehensive overview of the episode's main themes.

Transcript

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[Brooke]

You found it the Second Aid Update podcast thank you so much for being here. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning, of course. And we do want to remind you that for the first time ever we have second Date Update merch.

[Zach]

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[Brooke]

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Second Date Update when you meet someone and you chat with them for just a few minutes, but there's an obvious connection there and you have a lot of fun together. Can that be considered an insta date or do you need to have like an official meet up for it to count?

Yes. I mean it could be a hangout, it can be the first meeting, but it's not a date.

[Zach]

It's just a conversation.

[Brooke]

I disagree. I think it is like an insta date is considered a real date because I've had many, many experiences that you wouldn't call a by the books pre prepared hangout. And next Thing you know, all the paper towels are gone from the dispenser and you're both calling the maintenance guy asking for assistance.

Why is there.

[Zach]

Why is there a maintenance?

[Brooke]

I don't want to know.

I don't expect you guys to understand how fun works, but you just leave that to me. I'm just saying I think that counts. And that's why we got in touch with one of our listeners who said that she had an insta date recently. Her name is Amanda.

So are you the clingy one in the relationship like Jeffrey is Amanda?

[Claire]

Well, I guess we'll see, right?

[Brooke]

All right, well, you and I are on the same page, Amanda. But for my clued out co host over here, why don't you tell us what happened?

[Claire]

Yeah, so I met this guy Zach a couple weeks ago. My friend Claire, her job is super cool and trendy and they, they usually have like a happy hour, like a work happy hour.

[Brooke]

Oh. Like her company is one of those that like as much food as you want, all the vacation time, and we constantly drink together.

[Claire]

Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Her friends are much cooler than me, but that's why I went.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Claire]

And like I said, I met this guy Zach and he was extremely good looking and I don't usually go up to guys, but I mean, it just was the atmosphere. We went to like this traditional cowboy bar.

[Brooke]

Oh, traditional, that's funny.

A dive bar, I think is what.

You know, probably one with like line dancing and country music and stuff.

[Claire]

Yeah, like the, the bar stools were horse saddles and like there was a merry go round. Yeah.

[Zach]

Mechanical bull.

[Claire]

There was, there was.

[Zach]

Now it's a real cowboy bar.

[Brooke]

So you said that you were the one who actually went and approached him. Like, what did you, what did you do? How did that interaction happen?

[Claire]

Well, here's the thing. I went next to him, so I wouldn't say that. I, you know, I kind of gave myself a little more credit. But you didn't want to look like.

[Brooke]

You were too aggressive with it. Too thirsty. Exactly.

But it' move, right? Like somebody standing in the bar, you go stand directly next to them.

[Zach]

I imagine you bumping into him by accident over and over. Oh, my shoulder keeps hitting.

[Brooke]

I'm sorry.

[Claire]

Well, that worked because we ended up talking. And here's the thing. I didn't know that a lot of people like to ride horses. Really until social media. You know, like, I thought it was more of a thing that like just.

[Brooke]

Your rich, you and your family does.

[Claire]

I thought it was more just my thing I thought, it's a rich person.

[Brooke]

Wait, if you do it. Oh, because she's does, like, probably, you know, she's an equestrian. Yeah. She's not a western style.

Yeah.

So you're into horses and you didn't expect him to be also.

[Claire]

Yeah. And so we got. We started talking, and I brought up a story of when I was younger, and it was going so well that he ended up spitting some of his drink out because I made him laugh so hard.

[Brooke]

Oh, really?

[Claire]

Hey. Yeah, it was just about. I brought up a story when I was younger. My favorite horse, he was, like, slower. He was older and he was kind of chubby, but they called him Waffle Face.

[Brooke]

Waffle Face.

Wait, they called him Waffle?

That was the name of the horse?

[Claire]

That was the name of the horse, yeah. Oh, I love it.

[Brooke]

And that's what made him laugh so hard.

[Claire]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brooke]

Must have had to been there.

[Claire]

Yeah, I think so.

[Brooke]

So you guys bonded over horses. That's cool.

[Claire]

Yes. Yeah. And you. Unfortunately, he said he had to go, so it was like 20, 30 minutes of us talking. But right before he left, there was this Britney Spears song that came on.

[Jeffrey]

At the country bar.

[Brooke]

She's a Louisiana Girl.

[Zach]

Switch it up a little.

[Claire]

You remember the song? Hit me, baby, one more time.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

Never know, I don't know.

[Claire]

He started doing the dance and he started. He followed me. He was doing the same dance as I was doing it.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Brooke]

That's an obvious sign of attraction when a guy is mirroring you. Yeah. That's a sign that he's actually into what you're doing.

[Zach]

Puts his hair up in pigtails, gets the skirt on, and it's, like, all about it.

[Brooke]

Did you check in with your friend Claire? Because Claire works with him. Right. Like, that's how you guys all met?

[Claire]

Yeah. So here's the thing. Right before we left, I was brave enough to ask him for his number. I was like, it's not every day that someone dances, like, mirrors you dancing.

[Zach]

All right, that's cool.

[Claire]

Oh, yes, I did. Well, let's hope, because I. This is where you guys come in. I texted him a couple days after, and he said he was busy, but that he wished that he could hang out. So I waited a couple of days after that, and he never texted me back after I texted him again. Yeah. And so you brought up Claire. And I asked her, and she doesn't know. So it was a friend of a friend. So his friend brought him. Yeah.

[Brooke]

I see. So it's not someone that works with her that she could okay, well, we.

Have some information to work with here. We're going to play a song. Song. Come back and call your horse loving cowboy.

[Zach]

Zach, can I request that we don't play the Britney Spears song?

[Brooke]

Oh, I would love to hear it. Are you joking me? I don't want to dance. No, please.

I just want to see what this horse loving guy has to say. When we ask for a second date, is it going to be a yay or a nay.

Or maybe. Oh, baby, it sounds funny as well.

We'll do a second date update next.

[Amanda]

Second date update.

[Brooke]

Saddles for seats, boots for drinks, and a mechanical bull that's been out of order for the last decade.

[Claire]

Oh my God.

[Brooke]

Why are they always out of order? Seriously.

Sounds like every single country dive bar within a 10,000 mile radius that I just described there. But that's where one of our listeners went recently. Her name is Amanda, and she met a very well put together good looking man named Zach while she was there. The two of them vibed over horseback riding stories and even danced to an old Britney Spears song.

Very country.

Like I said earlier, this was an insta date. It wasn't something that they had planned to meet up beforehand. They just ran into each other. So we don't know if Zach is technically even single or what's going on.

[Zach]

That's what I was thinking.

[Brooke]

Yeah, but he texted her back that he was excited to see her.

[Zach]

He said, like, I wish I could see. That could also mean I wish I could see you. It means I can't see you because I have a girlfriend.

[Brooke]

But why wouldn't he just say that?

[Zach]

Because dudes still like to be hit on.

[Brooke]

Okay, good point.

We're gonna call him and we're gonna see what he meant by that. And Brooke, you've been skeptical and bitter throughout most of this so far. So what are your thoughts before we reach out to Zach?

I mean, I just don't want you to be too invested, Amanda.

You know, that's hopeful.

Well, I don't. I. You know, it's like what my mom taught me, you know, you. You plan for the worst, hope for the best, right?

[Zach]

That's a good lesson, mom.

[Brooke]

What a fun household to grow up. Amanda, how are you feeling? You feel a little optimistic?

[Claire]

I definitely am. But like you guys said, that has been something that Claire and I have been discussing. And I mean, it wouldn't put it past him because he seems. I mean, he's such a catch, right? Like.

[Brooke]

Right.

Well, let's get some answers from horse loving cowboy Jack.

Zach oh, he should be Jack, though. It's a much better cowboy. It is a better cowboy.

All right, Zach, here we go. You gotta remember that. Zach. Zach. Here we go. Dolla's number right now.

[Unknown]

Hello?

[Brooke]

Hey, is this Zach?

[Unknown]

Yeah. Hey, wait, Jeff.

[Brooke]

What? How do you know that? It's Jeffrey.

[Unknown]

This is Jeff, right?

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Oh, my God. What's up? Why are you calling me?

[Brooke]

I'm calling from a radio show. Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I know what you do. We talk about it one night.

[Brooke]

What?

What?

Wait, You. Jeffrey. Now you're starting to freak me out. Are you joking? You don't know this guy? I can't tell.

We know each other.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

You know Zach from bar? We met like a month ago.

[Brooke]

Are you just wasted every weekend?

[Jeffrey]

Do you not remember?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Hey, Jeff, why. Why are all these people on the line? What's up?

[Brooke]

Well, no, I'm at work and we're doing something right now. You know, that's how the show works.

[Unknown]

Okay. Okay. So you're just doing your show?

[Brooke]

Yeah.

So awkward.

[Unknown]

That's cool, man. That's really cool. We should hang again. You know, it was really fun last.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

Why are you so red, Jeffrey?

I don't know any Zach. Let's talk to Zach. Zach, we need to talk to you about something else. We do a segment called A Second Date Update.

Oh, my God, you're so uncomfortable.

And there's Brooke. Stop it. There's a girl named Amanda who reached out to us. She said that she met you at a happy hour the other night.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Claire]

Hi, Zach.

[Brooke]

Oh, yeah. So that's her. This is like a. This is more of a business call.

This is not going how it normally goes.

Normally? Do it.

[Amanda]

We're all confused.

[Brooke]

You have one flustered host over there.

Amanda.

[Zach]

Several.

[Brooke]

I think Amanda wanted our help to find out from you if you would be interested in seeing her.

[Unknown]

Okay, hold up. So you're saying Amanda called you to call me?

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's how this works. It's called a Second Date Update.

[Unknown]

So this is just like a random thing? That's the only reason you're calling?

[Brooke]

Yes. It's just for our listener, Amanda, and not for anything else.

[Claire]

I don't know. This is kind of new for me, but I felt like we had just great energy. I feel like we clicked.

[Brooke]

Remember, Zach, you guys talked about horses.

At the country bar.

At the country bar.

[Claire]

And remember Waffle Phase?

[Brooke]

Her favorite fat horse from when she was little?

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah, that I was. Yes. Just having a normal conversation.

[Claire]

Didn't we have.

[Brooke]

Yep.

[Unknown]

We got along great, Amanda, but. Yeah, I mean, I don't.

[Zach]

The tone alone.

[Brooke]

What was wrong? Are you not attracted to Amanda?

[Unknown]

I know she's. She's very beautiful.

[Claire]

Oh, thank you. I'm really attracted to you, too.

[Brooke]

Oh, wow. She's coming out and saying it.

I like it.

[Unknown]

I don't. I don't know that. What I said.

[Claire]

I know you're shy, Zach. I just figured maybe I could take the reins here and jump on. On and.

[Brooke]

See you almost finished that.

It's a little cowboy reference for you, Zach. How does that sound?

[Unknown]

I'm not shy.

[Claire]

See, we have a lot in common. You love riding horses and so do I. We were dancing at Britney's Beerus.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, you seem really. You seem really cool, and it's. It's kind of like, you know, if. You know, if I was. If I really wanted. If I. I would have reached out or I would have found, you know, like. Okay, Amanda, you seem great. You're. You're not. You're not quite my type.

[Brooke]

Okay, that's very clear.

[Zach]

At least he's blunt to the point.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Zach, are you disappointed in this phone call?

[Unknown]

Oh, greatly, actually. Yeah.

[Brooke]

Yeah. I did not see this coming. This is all making sense now, though.

It does make sense.

[Zach]

It makes sense. Jeff, explain.

[Brooke]

You know, with just, like, the interest in horses and the Britney Spears dancing and.

[Claire]

Zach, you told me that, like, I can change my hair if I'm not. Like, this color is not okay for you.

[Brooke]

Like, I don't mind the fashion tips.

[Claire]

That's.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

Okay.

[Unknown]

So, Zach, this isn't for you in so many ways. Yeah.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Claire]

Sometimes, Zach, is it just because you're not in the right spot or that maybe.

[Brooke]

Yeah, let's go with that one.

[Zach]

Can I say that.

[Brooke]

I don't know what to say?

Just ask. Do you gotta finish it, man? You gotta ask the second date to.

Do my job over here.

[Zach]

It's a friend date.

[Brooke]

What we do on this segment, Zach, is we offer to send you and our listener out on another date. So that would be you and Amanda going out and we would pay for it.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Claire]

Zach, come on. It'll be a blast. I'll change what I wear. Like, I don't. I just feel like our energies put on a beard. Too good to give up or to ignore. So please give me a second chance.

[Brooke]

Zack offers on the table.

I think you need to be more blunt, Amanda.

[Unknown]

Girly. No.

[Zach]

That alone's good.

[Unknown]

Don't change your hair. Don't change your hair. For some guy. This isn't Grease.

[Brooke]

I like.

This isn't Greece. I love it.

All right, well, we should probably stop talking.

[Zach]

You should hang out with Zach more.

[Brooke]

I don't think so. I just. I'm sorry. What?

[Zach]

Jeff.

[Brooke]

Yeah, Jeff.

[Unknown]

I will be expecting a phone call from you.

[Brooke]

You should not hear that. Don't do that to me.

[Zach]

Don't.

[Claire]

Yeah, Zach.

[Brooke]

Okay, I'm ending this now.

[Claire]

Oh, I love it.

[Brooke]

That's your second date update.

There you go.

[Zach]

Definitely no date.

[Brooke]

We're out of here.

[Zach]

Bye.

[Brooke]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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