Second Date Update Classic: No Fire In The Fireplace

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update – "No Fire In The Fireplace"

Episode Overview

In the January 21, 2025 episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update titled "No Fire In The Fireplace," hosts Brooke (referred to as Host 2) and Jeffrey's co-host Alexis delve into the complexities of modern dating through the real-life experience of their listener, Alice. The episode navigates themes of emotional connections, communication barriers, and the delicate balance between excitement and stability in romantic pursuits.

Introduction to the Episode

The episode begins with humorous banter and light-hearted commentary, setting an engaging tone for the discussions ahead. Brooke introduces Alice, a listener who recently went on a date with Paul, leading to an unexpected ghosting situation. The hosts employ playful metaphors like "firecrackers" and "fireplaces" to describe different personality types in dating, setting the stage for a deeper exploration of Alice's experience.

Key Discussions and Insights

1. Firecrackers vs. Fireplaces Metaphor

   • Alexis (02:35): Introduces the metaphor by asking Alice to describe the feelings she seeks in a partner. The "firecrackers" symbolize exciting, adrenaline-inducing personalities that often lead to thrilling but short-lived relationships.

   • Alice (04:12): Adopts a more stable persona, representing the "fireplace" – someone reliable, warm, and comforting, albeit less flamboyant.

   • Quote [05:03]: "A fireplace is actually more welcoming, it's warm. You look forward to that comfort." – Alice

   This discussion highlights the common dating dilemma of choosing between passionate excitement and steady companionship.

2. Alice's Date with Paul

   • Dinner Plans ([05:48] - [07:06]): Alice describes her date with Paul, who embodies the "fireplace" qualities. They planned a dinner at 5:30 PM, setting a predictable and comfortable environment. Paul's commitment to an early bedtime due to work (06:00) contrasts sharply with more spontaneous dating scenarios.

   • Dinner Experience ([07:16] - [08:11]): The evening went smoothly with conversations about Paul's interests in cooking and baking, reinforcing Alice's initial impressions. However, the lack of overt romantic gestures, like a kiss, left Alice unsure about the next steps.

   • Quote [07:28]: "It wasn't over the top type of." – Alice

   This segment underscores the importance of aligning expectations in dating, especially regarding romantic expressions.

3. Ghosting and Communication Breakdown

   • Post-Date Silence ([08:18] - [10:37]): Alice expresses her disappointment over not hearing back from Paul despite a seemingly good date. The hosts probe whether Paul's silence stems from genuine disinterest or external factors, revealing a common frustration in the dating scene.

   • Quote [08:30]: "I really would like to see him again, but I'm like, how could you not call me back?" – Alice

   This highlights the pain and confusion associated with ghosting, emphasizing the need for better communication between dating parties.

Interaction with Paul: Addressing the Silence

In a bold move, Brooke and Alexis decide to call Paul directly to address the ghosting issue. This segment serves as a pivotal moment, offering both humor and vulnerability.

1. Conversation with Paul ([10:47] - [17:53]):

   • Paul's Perspective: Paul admits he was nervous about the date and felt uncertain due to Alice suggesting axe throwing as a second date activity. His unfamiliarity with such activities and fear of safety concerns led to his hesitation in following up.

   • Quote [12:15]: "I don't get a lot of matches, so I was pretty nervous. I spent a long time doing my hair and..." – Paul

   • Alice and Paul's Dialogue ([14:15] - [17:53]): The hosts facilitate a heart-to-heart between Alice and Paul, revealing mutual misunderstandings. Alice clarifies that her suggestion was meant to be fun, and Paul expresses his genuine interest despite his fears.

   • Resolution: Through the facilitated conversation, Paul and Alice agree to give their relationship another chance, opting for less intimidating activities like bowling. This reconnection exemplifies the podcast's mission to resolve dating dilemmas through direct communication and humor.

Conclusions and Takeaways

The episode wraps up with a reflection on the balance between seeking excitement ("firecrackers") and stability ("fireplaces") in relationships. The hosts commend Alice and Paul's willingness to overcome miscommunication, reinforcing the value of honesty and adaptability in dating.

• Alexis (09:58): "You're looking for that feeling that's going to make you feel like you're at home."
• Brooke (09:55): "You're looking for the stuff that's going to fizzle out really quick."

These insights encourage listeners to evaluate their own dating preferences and understand that lasting relationships often require patience and mutual understanding rather than just initial sparks.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• [05:03] Alice: "A fireplace is actually more welcoming, it's warm. You look forward to that comfort."
• [07:28] Alice: "It wasn't over the top type of."
• [08:30] Alice: "I really would like to see him again, but I'm like, how could you not call me back?"
• [12:15] Paul: "I don't get a lot of matches, so I was pretty nervous. I spent a long time doing my hair and..."
• [09:58] Alexis: "You're looking for that feeling that's going to make you feel like you're at home."

Final Thoughts

"No Fire In The Fireplace" offers a relatable and entertaining exploration of the challenges in modern dating. By combining humor, real-life stories, and insightful analogies, Brooke and Jeffrey provide valuable lessons on communication, expectation management, and the pursuit of meaningful connections. This episode serves as both a source of entertainment and a practical guide for listeners navigating the intricate world of dating.

Transcript

[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Host 2]

Promises made, promises kept.

[Host 1]

We're gonna keep our promises on. Consider this from NPR. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jon Stewart]

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[Emi Olea]

I'm Emi Olea, host of the podcast Crumbs. For years, I had to rely on other people to tell me my story, and what I heard wasn't good. You really? Last night, it felt like I lived most of my life in a blackout. I was trapped in addiction. I had to grab the lamp and smashed it against the walls. And then I decided I wanted to tell my own story. Listen to crumbs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Host 2]

Welcome. My name is Paola Pedrosa, a medium and the host of the Ghost Therapy podcast, where it's not just about connecting with deceased loved ones. It's about learning through them and their new perspective. I think God sent me this gift so I can show it to the world. And most of all, I help people every single day. Listen to the Ghost Therapy podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Quick, Alexis, before the second date starts, tell everyone hello in Australia. Oh, good day, mate. Oh, there we go. That must be the reason why we're charting in Australia on the top comedy podcast. Yeah, totally hot. All right, thanks for being here. And don't forget, if you do love this much of the show, we've got 45 more minutes of it over on our main feed. Just search Brooke and Jeffrey. Brooke and Jeffrey. Now they understand what we're talking about. Let's get to what you came for. It's your second date.

[Alexis]

Second date update. Alexis, if you could describe not the perfect guy for you, but the feeling that you get when you're around that guy.

[Host 2]

That's so cute.

[Alexis]

Close your eyes and tell us the three words that he Makes you feel.

[Host 2]

Feeling a little bit roasted. Like I want him to be mean to me a little bit, you know, like I feel a little belittled of his a little bit. Just like that's like a harsh thing that comes to you your mind. Wrong answer.

[Alexis]

No, it's. It's whatever you want to feel belittled.

[Host 2]

As one full of food. I hope I get to go. Oh, drunk, a little tipsy. Oh my God. I don't know if I've ever met anyone as scared of emotions as you are. Seriously terrified. You said imagine. This is what I'm imagining.

[Alexis]

Everybody's perfect guy looks a little bit different. I guess it's like Michael B. Jordan making fun of.

[Host 2]

Sometimes you see two guys cuz you just have double vision.

[Alexis]

I bring it up cuz one of our listeners says she figured out how she wants to feel when she meets her perfect guy.

[Host 2]

That's sweet.

[Alexis]

And maybe it even happened to her this last date. I mean he's not calling her back, but that doesn't matter. She certain way.

[Host 2]

That could feel good though. Like just a little bit of notes being ignored.

[Alexis]

If it's one day, it's hot. Well, let's talk to Alice and hear about it. Alice, how you doing?

[Alice]

I'm good in you guys. How are you?

[Host 2]

I don't know. I'm worried about Alexis, but I think the rest of us are fine.

[Alexis]

Would you like us to roast you? Because we will.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

I bring it up because in your email you said you felt the way that you wanted to feel when you met up with this guy. What does that mean?

[Alice]

Well, the deal is that I've just been meeting the wrong guys. My discernment hasn't been the best because I usually go for guys that wind up being wrong for me.

[Host 2]

Okay, so you're taking a different approach, looking for a different feeling.

[Alice]

Yes. Yeah, so I heard this podcast by this lady and she said instead of looking for your firecracker, you should be looking for your fireplace.

[Host 2]

Oh, that's good. I like that. I've heard this. Like you're supposed to go for the slow burn type of person, right? That's absolutely okay.

[Alexis]

What, what does that mean?

[Alice]

Okay, so like firecrackers, like for me, like I get butterflies and knots in my stomach. Like I get like an adrenaline rush.

[Host 2]

It's so fun.

[Alice]

It's scary, but it's like a ride I want to go on, but then the ride crashes.

[Host 2]

Yeah, okay. It's a dangerous ride.

[Alice]

It's a dangerous ride, you know? Now a fireplace is actually more it's welcoming, it's warm. You look forward to that comfort.

[Host 2]

You're not scared, right?

[Alice]

You're not scared. It's not all the bells and whistles.

[Alexis]

So basically you're not supposed to be looking for the exciting person anymore. You're supposed to look for the safe person.

[Alice]

Right. I need to be swiping right on the fireplaces.

[Host 2]

So is this guy that you went out with a fireplace?

[Alice]

He fits the profile where he doesn't necessarily knock my socks off, but. But he does tick off the boxes that I like and that's what I found in him.

[Alexis]

Doesn't knock your socks off. And maybe he would mend your socks if there ever was a whore. Yeah, he'll like untie a shoe, he'll.

[Host 2]

Warm them because he's a fire.

[Alice]

So what, what's his name is Paul.

[Alexis]

He's got a fireplace name. What did you and Paul decide to do? What did you in this fireplace go?

[Alice]

Okay, so what we decided to do was to go out to dinner at 5:30.

[Host 2]

At 5:30. Was that his idea or were you just really pushing this old person Persona?

[Alice]

Well, no, actually he said he had to be home to be in bed by 9:30 so that he could go to work.

[Alexis]

Oh goodness.

[Host 2]

Okay. Even when I was dating, I wouldn't go to bed at 9:30, you know, one night to stay up late.

[Alexis]

Come on. Alexis Brooks attracted to those firecrackers. That's why.

[Host 2]

Okay, so you were excited about this because this is still like fulfilling what your thought is of him.

[Alexis]

Yeah. How did dinner go?

[Alice]

Dinner went really well. I mean, he told me he likes to cook, he likes to bake, and when he said that to me, it's like that gave me some really nice low key fireplace vibes, which I really liked.

[Host 2]

Yes. So did you tell him this? Because you've brought it up so many times.

[Alexis]

Like, did you use the term firecracker and fireplace with him?

[Host 2]

That's what I mean.

[Alice]

Honestly, I didn't want to bring up those terms because I just wanted him to be himself and not think that he had to be somebody else.

[Host 2]

Okay, that's good.

[Alexis]

It's probably not going to go too well if you keep referring to him as the safe fireplace.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I mean, every guy wants to think of themselves as a bad boy in some ways, right?

[Alexis]

Yeah. So, okay, he seems to be checking the boxes that you want.

[Alice]

Right. You know, he said he was looking for long term. You know, he's into health and nature and that to me was perfect. I mean, I wasn't getting Butterflies in my stomach.

[Host 2]

You know, I feel like that should still be happening.

[Alexis]

Yeah, there should be a balance of both.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

No, no, you don't want to have that. That's a firecracker.

[Host 2]

Okay, so I'm guessing, like, you guys didn't end the night with a kiss or anything?

[Alice]

Well, near the ending of the night, he tells me a joke and he says to me, did I want him to teach me a card trick? So I said, sure.

[Alexis]

Okay.

[Host 2]

And then it's kind of cute.

[Alice]

He says, oh, well, I don't know any.

[Host 2]

Oh, gotcha.

[Alexis]

Gotcha. Oh, yeah. Well, hopefully he didn't laugh too hard, because then you're going to get too excited and that would be a turn off.

[Host 2]

Was that the only funny moment? Is that why you brought that up?

[Alexis]

I feel like they both laugh and they go, okay, let's calm down.

[Host 2]

It's just so specific.

[Alexis]

What, was there, like, any, like, hug or.

[Alice]

I'll say we did a nice little hug. I mean, I thought it was. I thought it was a good date. It wasn't over the top type of.

[Host 2]

That's what you want, though.

[Alexis]

It wasn't like a bad experience or one big negative thing. Okay, so what's happened since the date?

[Alice]

Oh, this is the thing now. I haven't heard back or gotten a call back from this boring fireplace guy.

[Host 2]

So are you just more mad that he's not calling you back, or do you really want to see him again?

[Alice]

I really would like to see him again, but I'm like, how could you not call me back?

[Host 2]

Right?

[Alice]

Yeah, like, what could you possibly have going on outside of what you told me?

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Alexis]

Okay. Like, I have a cat. Maybe we should dial down some of this language when we actually get him on the phone. But we're gonna call him. We'll try and stoke that fire back up and not too brightly when we do your second date update right after this. Okay, hold on. Second date update. I got the strangest text message. The academy of radio broadcasters saying we just hit a new radio record for saying the word fireplace in a single segment over 15,000 times.

[Host 2]

Hey, you know what? We know what we're looking for, Jeff.

[Alexis]

Yeah, and I'm only going to say it once more because our listener, Alice, used that term as a simple analogy for what she's looking for in her romantic partner. She learned she needs to stop chasing firecrackers and start looking for her fireplace.

[Host 2]

And whatever you do, don't chase waterfalls either. We'll just put it in there.

[Alexis]

We don't need any more Analogies thrown in. Basically, it's stop looking for the exciting guy who gives you butterflies. Start looking for the safe option. Yeah, yeah. Settle. Kind of.

[Host 2]

Not really. I mean, it's just like different things. Yeah. Just don't look for the stuff that's going to fizzle out really quick.

[Alexis]

Yeah. You're looking for that feeling that's going to make you feel like you're at home.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

And now that she went down that road, the fireplace is leaving her on red.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, I said fireplace again.

[Alexis]

I'm not gonna say it anymore.

[Host 2]

We can't break our own record.

[Alexis]

It's like our wood soggy. It just won't light, you know? Yeah. So, Alice, how are you feeling? Before we call him here, I'm feeling pretty good.

[Alice]

I'm just hoping to figure out why I haven't heard back from Paul.

[Host 2]

I like that you still have hope.

[Alexis]

But not too much.

[Host 2]

I mean, it's like you're like shifting everything to try to find the thing that you're supposed to have. And even that is a struggle right now. But I don't think it will be at the end of this.

[Alice]

I hope so.

[Alexis]

Yeah, we all do. Yeah. It's interesting we're going to be calling a boring guy for a radio segment here. Not the best reading strategy on our part, but you know what, let's dial him up anyway.

[Host 2]

Stay tuned.

[Alexis]

We got a crackling fireplace in the line. Hopefully we can squeeze a little bit of excitement out of this, but here we go.

[Paul]

Hello?

[Alexis]

Hi, we're looking to speak with Paul.

[Paul]

This is Paul.

[Host 2]

I'm sorry. Not that we wanted you to come hot out of the gate or anything.

[Alexis]

Good morning, my friend.

[Host 2]

Yeah, hey, Paul.

[Alexis]

First of all, thank you so much for answering this number that I'm sure you didn't recognize. We're strangers. We know. We're a radio station called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Alexis]

Nice. Okay, let's keep this going because what we're doing here is called a second date update. And we're trying to help out one of our listeners that you actually went out to dinner with a few nights ago and she had a really nice time with you. Her name is Alice.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Good old Alice, huh?

[Host 1]

Right.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Pretty exciting. Well, that's it.

[Alexis]

We'd like to open it up to you for a second and tell us what you thought about. About the date. What you thought about Alice.

[Paul]

What is this for?

[Alexis]

Well, it's a second aid update. Basically, Alice has reached out to us because she told us a little bit about your night Together. She had a great time. Yeah. Well, how was it for you?

[Paul]

I'm. I'm just not really sure how the date went. I guess. I don't. I don't know. I don't get. I don't get a lot of matches, so. I was pretty nervous. I spent a long time doing my hair and.

[Host 2]

Doing your hair. Nice to be hairbracking.

[Alexis]

Well, hey, if it makes you feel better, she said that she was nervous to meet up with you too.

[Paul]

Yeah, I told her a joke at one point and it kind of failed, but kind of worked at the same time. I'm not really sure.

[Host 2]

What other joke did you tell her?

[Alexis]

Are you talking about the magic trick joke?

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

Okay. That was hilarious.

[Host 2]

Yeah, she told us that.

[Alexis]

Yeah. You're funny. Yeah, it was good.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Alexis]

That'S a compliment. Feel good about that.

[Host 2]

Why would you not be calling her back? And why wouldn't you be excited right now? Like, we're telling you? It was a good date.

[Paul]

I don't know. I just didn't know how to feel about it. And then we did talk about going out again, but she. She was talking about ax throwing.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Paul]

And.

[Alexis]

Right.

[Paul]

I don't know about that. Going out into the woods and throwing axes. That seems dangerous.

[Alexis]

Okay. Yeah, I understand you haven't dated in a while. Yeah, I was like, you might. You might not know this, but they actually have places set up where you're supposed to go indoors in the city and throw axes at the wall at, like, targets.

[Host 2]

You don't even have to date to know that.

[Paul]

I never heard of that. I thought it was. Sounded kind of like a liability.

[Host 2]

You're gonna be fine, man. You're gonna be fine. This is gonna be a relief to her. So you just weren't calling her back because you didn't think she liked you. You're just confused and you were scared of ax throwing.

[Paul]

Yeah, I guess that's kind of the gist.

[Alexis]

Awesome. Okay. You know who's probably really, really relieved to hear you say all those things is Alice, who is on the other line right now wanting to talk to you.

[Alice]

Hi, Paul. How are you?

[Paul]

Hi. I'm good.

[Alice]

Paul, that was so cute.

[Alexis]

You could hear the smile on his face right now.

[Alice]

It's good to hear your voice, Paul. I was wondering why I hadn't heard back from you.

[Paul]

I'm sorry. I guess I was just kind of unsure. I didn't really know if you wanted to go out again or if it went well.

[Alexis]

I think the axe throwing idea really scared him off there, Alice. Like, that you're not married to that as the next day, you know, like we could.

[Alice]

There was always other activities that we could do.

[Paul]

Would be good. I tend to be a bleeder.

[Alexis]

A bleeder way.

[Host 2]

From the axes.

[Alexis]

It must feel good. Like, you understand, like Alice. Alice likes you. Right, Alice? You can even tell him yourself. Now we don't have to hear your voice, Paul.

[Alice]

I really had a great time with you when we had dinner. I think the conversation was pretty good. I don't know if maybe you might have been a little anxious, but, I mean, if you were, I couldn't tell.

[Host 2]

Your confidence has to be through the roof right now. Right, Paul?

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

Good.

[Host 2]

All right, good.

[Alexis]

Okay, listen back, confident man.

[Host 2]

There it is.

[Alexis]

That's why I tried tee him up for that. And he knocked it down. All right. I mean, I think that you guys should give it one more shot.

[Host 2]

I think we all think that.

[Alexis]

Choose like a safe activity for you two to do. No sharp objects anywhere around.

[Host 2]

Bowling.

[Alexis]

Bowling, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

We could do that. Or you could come see my collection.

[Host 2]

Collection?

[Alexis]

What collection?

[Host 2]

The collection. Huh. What do you call that?

[Paul]

Oh, I collect antique gynecological chairs.

[Host 2]

What?

[Alexis]

I don't know.

[Host 2]

What did you say? Gynecological? Wake with the stirrup feet.

[Alexis]

I heard gynecological. Like a dinosaur chair.

[Host 2]

Like a OBGYN chair.

[Paul]

Yeah, but like, they're from the 1800s.

[Alexis]

Whoa. You collect those?

[Paul]

Yeah, they're really kind of fascinating, actually. You know why.

[Host 2]

Why are they fascinating, Paul?

[Alexis]

The leg things?

[Paul]

Yeah. I mean, that period is kind of, you know, really interesting.

[Host 2]

I'm gonna say not a great period in women's.

[Alexis]

Well, it was the experimental phase. They're trying to figure out what's going on down there. They did not know.

[Host 2]

That's a little. How are you feeling about that?

[Alice]

That's. That's a little bit odd.

[Alexis]

Well, I think maybe the question we need to ask is, do you feel like you have butterflies right now, Alice?

[Host 2]

Oh.

[Alice]

No.

[Alexis]

Well, that's a good sign for you. That's the opposite of what you're looking for. So we would love to send you two out on another date.

[Host 2]

Wow.

[Alexis]

Paul will pay for this date if you're willing to meet up with Alice.

[Paul]

Yeah, that sounds great.

[Alexis]

Okay. Yes. From Paul. Als. You're still up for it? You don't have to go to his house. You don't have to see the collection.

[Host 2]

I'll say Maybe you can see pictures of his collection first and then judge from there if there's a third date.

[Alexis]

Yeah. From your comfort.

[Alice]

Yes. I think that's what I would need to have a visual of the collection of the gynecological chairs.

[Host 2]

Let's not say that word over and over again.

[Alexis]

Paul, why don't you. It's not like a massage chair. Take some photos of your collection and text them over and then we'll send you guys out again on a date. Okay, I'll.

[Paul]

I'll send a link to my website.

[Alexis]

Well, there's a whole website.

[Paul]

I'm kind of excited.

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

Consider this is a daily news podcast and lately the news is about a big question. How much can one guy change?

[Host 2]

They want change.

[Host 1]

What will change look like for energy?

[Host 2]

Drill baby Drill schools. Take the Department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive.

[Host 1]

Follow coverage of a changing country.

[Host 2]

Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.

[Host 1]

Consider this from NPR. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jon Stewart]

Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at the Daily show, which means he's also back in our ears on the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Join late night legend Jon Stewart and the best news team for today's biggest headlines, exclusive extended interviews and more. Now, this is the second term we can all get behind. Listen to the Daily Show Ears edition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Emi Olea]

I'm Emilia, host of the podcast Crumbs. For years, I had to rely on other people to tell me my story. And what I heard wasn't good. You really Last night, it felt like I lived most of my life in a blackout. I was trapped in addiction. I had to grab the lamp and smashed it against the wall. And then I decided I wanted to tell my own story. Listen to crumbs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.