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See full terms@mintmobile.com hey, it's Jacob Goldstein from Business History. In our new series American Genius, we tell the stories of three great writers who changed the way business works in America. Our first episode is about Benjamin Franklin, who among many other things was a best selling business writer. Take a listen. He's writing this much later in his life, consciously creating this image of himself. And I do want to emphasize how unusual this model is at the time, this self made man myth. Because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. You know this idea that we have today is the opposite, right?
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Brooke
Well, exactly right.
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Brooke (co-host)
Hey, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and can I just stop real quick and ask? I hadn't looked at our stats recently for our podcast. What happened y' all on June 2nd? June 2nd? We like went up 600% in our daily downloads.
Brooke
One of our things went viral.
Brooke (co-host)
No, that's a weird thing. There's not one episode that has an insane amount. It's like all fully what sent you here? And yeah, who did you bring with you? That's what I wanted from yeah, what happened?
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How did you find us?
Brooke (co-host)
Yes. And can we do it again? Because I was kind of nervous. All right, we got an episode for you. It is a classic so I hope you enjoy it for your Friday. And what do we got for comments?
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Yeah, Liliana said, even when I'm having a poor morning, all it takes is listening to your show to get me feeling festive again. Oh, maybe she was having a really poor morning on June 2nd. That's what happened.
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah, morning.
Brooke
She hears rich Brooke evens everything out.
Brooke (co-host)
Well, I hope she's just festive again. What a nice way to describe being happy. I love it. I let's get festive right now. Your episode starts. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning Second date Update.
Jeffrey
Alexis, what do you find attractive in a guy's profile online? Maybe. He's got a great smile.
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Jeffrey
His profile says he works for White Claw.
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Ooh, wait, I would definitely message that one.
Kelly
Stop it.
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That's the prompt I would click.
Brooke (co-host)
Mango flavor only.
Jeffrey
Yeah, he's a roadie for Nickelback. Oh, wait, sorry. That's Brooks thing.
Mike
My bad.
Jeffrey
But one of our listeners had something else that she was instantly attracted to on a guy's profile that made her
Brooke (co-host)
go, ooh, what is it?
Jeffrey
I need to know him. Let's talk to Kelly a little bit. Kelly, welcome to the show.
Kelly
Hi. Thank you.
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Did he work for Truly
Brooke
Rivals?
Brooke (co-host)
I feel like every guy listening is about to change their profile to include whatever it is you're about to say.
Jeffrey
Yeah, tell us about this guy.
Kelly
Okay, well, I found this guy Mike while I was searching on the app.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, it was his exotic name. Not many of them.
Jeffrey
Mike with a Q. Yeah.
Brooke
Must be European.
Jeffrey
What was it about Mike that stood out so much?
Kelly
Okay, this is weird, but I really enjoy grocery shopping.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, okay.
Brooke
Was it like therapeutic or something? Like, some people enjoy cleaning.
Kelly
Yeah, I mean, I really like cooking. And then I also really like finding new products and interesting.
Brooke (co-host)
Just love pay and all that money.
Jeffrey
And it is soothing when you're in the produce section and the thunder goes like. And then it sprinkles all over all. I do enjoy that.
Brooke
That's the only time I shower all week, you guys.
Jeffrey
No, I'm serious.
Brooke (co-host)
That is a really fun. I'm gonna go in hard.
Jeffrey
No, Kelly, I'm with you, even if everybody else hates the gross.
Brooke (co-host)
Did you find Jeffrey online? And his dating profile said that Mike. Yeah, I was joking. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. It wasn't that funny. So I forgive you, Kelly.
Brooke
Mike is really funny.
Jeffrey
Sorry, we were going off for a while.
Mike
What?
Jeffrey
What did you see on Mike's profile?
Kelly
So he had a photo of himself in the produce aisle. Just kind of like being goofy and holding, you know, some fruits and vegetables.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, please don't tell me it was a dude holding two melons.
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Also, do you ever wonder who takes that pic?
Brooke
I hope it's not random. Excuse me, person that works here. Okay, can you picture me holding a giant eggplant?
Jeffrey
So you saw that? That was a turn on to you.
Kelly
Yeah, I mean, you know, I figured if you're cute under fluorescent lighting, you gotta be cute in real life.
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jeffrey
And was he?
Kelly
He was. So we talked and we made plans to meet up at this bar. And then when I met him, he was. He was way hotter than I thought he was in the photo.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Brooke (co-host)
Even hotter.
Kelly
Yeah. So I kind of told him that, like, as a compliment, that his photos online were not great.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, wait, did you word it that way?
Kelly
Well, I don't really remember exactly how I said it, but I kind of was like, you know, your photos online aren't good because you're so much more attractive in person.
Brooke
Kind of a save.
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Kind of.
Brooke (co-host)
That one sits weird with, I don't know about you guys, but for me, whenever I meet listeners and they're like, oh, you're not as ugly as I thought you were online. I thought I looked.
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I feel like more guys do look better in person.
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah, they're bad at taking pictures.
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Brooke (co-host)
Was he offended?
Kelly
I mean, I also think he maybe was a little offended, but I, like, tried to make him understand that it was a compliment, and I offered to take photos for him so that he could use. Which I now realize is maybe weird on the screen. Oh, yeah.
Jeffrey
It's like you're trying to set him up for the next person that he meets on the app.
Brooke (co-host)
I mean, if a girl said that to you, don't you feel like you just got friend zoned?
Jeffrey
Yeah, pretty much.
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah.
Kelly
I honestly was just like, nervous and was trying to flirt with her in my weird way.
Brooke (co-host)
I get it.
Brooke
I mean, you tried to save it at least, right? It wasn't like you left it out. Like, you're way hotter than your ugly pictures online.
Jeffrey
All right, bye.
Kelly
Yeah.
Brooke (co-host)
Did you actually take new pictures for him?
Mike
No.
Kelly
No, I did not.
Brooke
Alexis was wondering, who's the one that takes a pic?
Brooke (co-host)
It's you.
Jeffrey
What did you do at the bar?
Brooke (co-host)
Drink and talk?
Jeffrey
We don't know that with her.
Brooke
Insult him more.
Kelly
No, no, no. We were just like, talking and getting to know each other. And then we brought up camping, which, well, I really like. He is, like, kind of newer to outdoorsy stuff, but REI came up and he said he had never been. And I freaking love rei.
Jeffrey
Oh, See this? Brooke feels about rei. How you feel about GR shop.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, I love going to rei. It's so fun.
Brooke
Don't they have, like, walls and stuff there?
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah. Every time you go in, you're like, God, I need to start a new outdoor hobby. I'm gonna buy a kayak and a mountain bike.
Jeffrey
Nothing hotter than talking about rei. First date.
Brooke (co-host)
Wait till you get your first dividend check. Then you're gonna be like a dividend check. You get money to spend at the end of the year, cuz it's a co op.
Jeffrey
Oh, is that like, a senior citizen thing?
Brooke
That's why we don't.
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Jeffrey
I can't wait.
Brooke (co-host)
So you went. You just took em?
Kelly
Yeah, obviously.
Jeffrey
Oh, wow.
Brooke (co-host)
Two drunks at the REI on the first date. I wish I would have been there just to witness you guys walking around,
Brooke
test out this sleeping bag.
Jeffrey
How did that go?
Kelly
I mean, it was cute. Walking around, making jokes.
Brooke (co-host)
Did he still seem interested, or was he just lying about being interested? You know what I mean? Like, someone says they're super into something, you're like, yeah, that's cool. I like that, too.
Jeffrey
Well, I don't lie to people on dates like you do, Brooke, so I'm not sure what that's like.
Kelly
It seemed like he was genuinely interested. I mean, maybe he was flying, but I don't know. I thought we were having a good time.
Brooke (co-host)
Okay, so you. You're clueless. You have no ideas.
Kelly
No idea.
Mike
Huh.
Jeffrey
All right, and how long has this been since you gave him the tour of rei?
Kelly
It's been three weeks.
Brooke
Oh, hey, wait. Maybe you're such a good tour guide, you motivated him to go camping, and he's still out in the wilderness right
Brooke (co-host)
now, not receiving any phone calls, or he's missing that. He's too new to it and couldn't find his way back.
Jeffrey
It's called Hashtag Van Life, Brook. And we're gonna check in on him. Hopefully he answ we call and try and get you your second date update right after this.
Kelly
Thank you.
Jeffrey
All right, hold on.
Brooke (co-host)
Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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Second date update.
Jeffrey
We got a text to 78592 that says, what's REI?
Brooke
What the heck?
Jeffrey
I mean, I guess not everybody would know.
Brooke (co-host)
It's all over the world.
Jeffrey
That doesn't mean everybody knows what it is if you. If you haven't been there. Yeah, it's a chain of outdoor recreation stores where they sell all sorts, like bikes, everything, camping gear, harnesses, whatever you would need to be outside the North Face.
Brooke
Hoodies, which are. That's the only thing I've ever bought from rei.
Brooke (co-host)
Have you been to a store?
Brooke
No, I bought online.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh.
Jeffrey
They do have an online store to go check them out.
Brooke
That's a good brand.
Jeffrey
But I should ask Brooke this question.
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah.
Jeffrey
Because you've been there a lot.
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Jeffrey
Are there hot people who work there or walk around there a lot?
Brooke (co-host)
Hot people? Yeah, there's definitely attractive people. Oh, my God. I just got a board from there this last year, and the girl who fitted me for the board. Smoking.
Jeffrey
See, that's What I'm worried about. I'm worried that when Kelly took Mike to the REI store, I'm hoping that he didn't meet some sexy outdoor climbing enthusiast who invited him to scale her twin peaks right there in the back room. Because we've heard stuff like this happening before where somebody else swoops in in the middle of it.
Brooke (co-host)
And I bet they have a pretty big back room. There's a lot of, like, big stuff that they gotta move through that store.
Jeffrey
Kelly, do you think that's a possibility? Were there any attractive females while you were shopping, stopping at rei?
Kelly
I mean, wasn't like he was flirting
Brooke (co-host)
with anybody in front of you. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe it could just be that he felt like he was forced into something he actually wasn't that interested in.
Brooke
Yeah, that's probably the most realistic.
Brooke (co-host)
I mean, he couldn't keep continuing the lie. Right. Because then before he knows that he's camping with you and hating every second of it.
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Brooke (co-host)
Get out of that.
Kelly
I guess. I think camping is great, though.
Brooke (co-host)
Well, I mean, I'm with you.
Mike
Yeah.
Brooke (co-host)
You know, nobody else in this room.
Brooke
Only one person in this room agrees, but.
Jeffrey
All right, let's call Mike, though, and see what he has to say. You ready to do this, Kelly?
Kelly
Yeah, let's do it.
Jeffrey
Okay, here we go.
Mike
Hello.
Jeffrey
Hey, I'm looking for Mike.
Mike
Yeah, is this the bill collector again? Oh,
Jeffrey
no, I'm not a bill collector.
Brooke
Bucks right now.
Brooke (co-host)
Impressive that you answer your phone when you're getting those type of calls.
Jeffrey
Yeah, you should just hit ignore next time, bro.
Mike
Wait, so who is this?
Jeffrey
Yeah, we're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning with the Love Collectors. Please ignore my.
Brooke (co-host)
I thought that was pretty good.
Jeffrey
Female co host.
Mike
No, we're a radio show.
Jeffrey
Yeah, we're a radio show. We do a segment called Second Date Update where we try and help out our listeners reconnect after they've gone out on a date with somebody that they really liked.
Mike
Uh.
Jeffrey
Oh, yeah, it's a good thing. It means somebody went out with you and had a really good time and wants to meet up again. Her name's Kelly.
Kelly
Oh,
Jeffrey
it's been a while ago. It was, like, three weeks ago that you guys met up.
Mike
Yeah, kind of wish I was the bill collector, but.
Brooke (co-host)
Wow, it was that bad? When we talked to her, she sounded lovely. Oh,
Mike
let me just be honest here. Like, it was okay for a little bit, but it did get weird.
Jeffrey
Okay, are you talking about where she offered to take new pictures of you? Because your profile pics weren't good enough.
Mike
She told you all that?
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah, she did. Were you offended?
Mike
I mean, yes, but also, I don't think we should really be talking about that.
Jeffrey
What should we be talking about?
Mike
If that's how she wants to play, then I'm happy to play my side of the story.
Jeffrey
Yeah, let's hear your side.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, this sounds juicy.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jeffrey
What happened?
Mike
I mean, did she mention us talking about camping?
Jeffrey
Yeah, yeah, that came up, that you guys mentioned going camping, and she even took you to a camping goods store.
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was. She was thinking of going camping with some friends soon, and she was, like, basically inviting me, which, I mean, that's kind of weird, you know, after a first date, to be like, oh, why don't you come camping for multiple days and meet my friends?
Jeffrey
Like, that's really nice when you put it that way.
Brooke
No, I see what he means. It's one thing to go camping, but then I'm gonna be stuck with your friends or your.
Brooke (co-host)
But maybe.
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Okay, wait, wait, though.
Brooke (co-host)
Maybe it was like one of those invitations where you, like, you know, I automatically invite people to everything, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm actually gonna follow through.
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I think you're gonna say no.
Jeffrey
So that's the big red flag. She liked you and wanted me. You to meet her friends.
Mike
I mean. No, no, no, no. That's not the big red flag.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh.
Mike
I told her I'm not really the biggest fan of camping. I tried it once. I really didn't love it. I didn't love it so much that I actually slept in my car.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh.
Mike
Yeah. And apparently for her, that was, like, the worst thing I could say to her.
Jeffrey
What?
Brooke (co-host)
Why?
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Mike
Yeah. I don't know. She was so shocked, and she was like, how do you not like camping? Everyone loves camping. Like, she was like, what? You've never sent a night in a tent? You've never experienced the joy of taking a. I don't think I can say that word on the radio, but you gotta have the rumble with the bear.
Brooke (co-host)
What?
Brooke
Oh, my God.
Brooke (co-host)
Those are her highlights.
Jacob Goldstein
That's low.
Mike
She just kept going on and on and on about how great camping was, and I'm trying to force a smile. Then she dragged me to that sporting goods store. I don't know, what's it called?
Brooke
Rei. Rei.
Brooke (co-host)
Wait, that all happened before you guys went to rei?
Mike
Yes.
Brooke (co-host)
The way she played it, the way she described it, is that you said you were new and you were excited about trying it out.
Mike
No, no, no, no, no. She was, like, going on about it at dinner and then at the store. It just was, it was non stop.
Jeffrey
Okay. She was trying, she was trying to sell you on going camping by showing you all of the things that you could buy and all the things you could use the next time you went out into nature.
Mike
Yeah, she showed me 18 different types of canteens. I was like, I get it. Can we go home?
Jeffrey
Oh, wow.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, man.
Jeffrey
She should work for rei.
Brooke
Yeah, she should.
Brooke (co-host)
I don't think.
Mike
I think she's getting a commission or she has a lot of stock there or something like that.
Brooke (co-host)
Her last name is actually rei.
Jeffrey
Actually, we can ask her if that's true, because I didn't tell you this earlier, but Kelly is on the other line right now listening to this whole thing.
Kelly
Hi. How you doing?
Mike
Hi.
Kelly
I'm just gonna stick with what I said on the date is that everyone does love camping. They just need to find the right things to take with them so they feel comfortable.
Mike
That is objectively not true. Not everyone loves. What a crazy thing to say, you psycho
Jeffrey
psychic.
Kelly
We don't have to call anyone names, but if you're gonna be a husband, I'm sorry, you're the one who's putting
Mike
us on the radio. That's pretty crazy.
Jeffrey
So, okay, everybody likes being on the radio. Sometimes you just have to try it and get used to it a little bit.
Brooke (co-host)
That was actually psycho.
Jeffrey
I'm nervous.
Brooke
We can show you all kinds of microphones.
Brooke (co-host)
I mean, Kelly, it doesn't sound like you're listening to him at all.
Kelly
I heard what he said, and I, I really, truly believe that, like, deep down, he really likes camping, based on other stuff that he said. And, you know, I, I, if I remember, I think he did say that he, he didn't have a great time, but he would be open to trying camping again.
Jeffrey
Oh, really?
Brooke (co-host)
Look at that. Leading her on with that camp talk.
Mike
I was just saying that to try to get you to stop campsplaining to me.
Brooke
That's what Brooke does to us all the time.
Jeffrey
Maybe there could be a small nugget of truth to it. Do you think?
Mike
Mike, are you on board with her? Because I hate camping. I don't want to do it. I don't know how to make that any truer.
Jeffrey
Well, I'm just saying sometimes things are an acquired taste, like coffee or meth.
Kelly
How can anybody not like camping? You're in the outdoors. There's fresh air.
Mike
Why am I still on the phone right now? Like, I said this, and you guys are still talking about it. I really don't understand.
Jeffrey
You're still on the phone because somewhere deep, deep down, you really do want to see Kelly again and go out one more time. Even if I'm not saying out in nature. Let's go out in the city somewhere. Somewhere that we would pay for. If you're up for it, Mike.
Brooke
In an rei no.
Jeffrey
Far away from Mario. That's what we do, Mike. We offer to send you guys out on another day on our dime.
Mike
Yeah, it's clearly not a match. I mean, camping is clearly her number one thing. She doesn't have time for a man because she's so married to camping.
Brooke
She's married to the woods.
Mike
Exactly. She's gonna marry a bear.
Jacob Goldstein
Okay,
Jeffrey
at least meet up with her one more time so she could take some new photos of you for your profile pic.
Mike
Oh, no, because she's gonna drag me to the woods to take those photos.
Brooke
Yeah, act like you just picked those carrots.
Jeffrey
Kelly, I'm sorry. We're not gonna be able to get a second date for you here.
Kelly
Yeah, it's fine. I'm gonna try and see if there's an outdoorsy app or something I can find a man on.
Brooke (co-host)
Okay.
Brooke
Oh, there's a good app. It's about how to start a campfire. It's called Tinder.
Jeffrey
You should download that one.
Brooke (co-host)
I get it, but I'm bummed.
Jeffrey
We were so close to ending on a laugh and the second date just missed.
Brooke (co-host)
Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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Jeffrey
I just got a text at 78592 that says Jeff, why is it every time it's extremely clear they're not a good match, you still ask if they'll
Brooke (co-host)
go out again and and you always push the side that you know is wrong?
Jeffrey
I don't know why I do it. Is it because I believe in love against all odds? Does that make me a bad guy? If so, call Billie Eilish.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, because you're a bad guy?
Jeffrey
I'm the bad guy.
Brooke (co-host)
That was good. You thought about that for a while, didn't you?
Jeffrey
I didn't.
Brooke (co-host)
Yeah, I kind of liked it.
Jeffrey
It just shows. Everybody has a different read on how these dates go. She saw it as green flags. He's interested in camping. He wants to learn. He saw it as being camp shamed within an inch of his life.
Brooke (co-host)
And I saw it as I'm never going to be able to hear that Billie Eilish song again without thinking about you.
Jeffrey
But the one thing that we can learn out of this is that we're always here for you.
Brooke (co-host)
Oh, that's true.
Jeffrey
No matter what. Good dates, bad days, no matter how
Brooke (co-host)
many bad decisions you make.
Jeffrey
Absolutely. We're on your side. We will fight for you and offer you second dates. Yes, call that person who isn't calling you back.
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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update Classic – Not A Happy Camper
Original Air: June 26, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
This episode of Brooke and Jeffrey’s “Second Date Update” features a classic, fan-favorite call titled “Not A Happy Camper.” The show’s premise: When someone’s been ghosted after a first date, the hosts contact the non-responsive party to investigate why things went awry—and attempt to score a second date. As usual, the hosts, led by Brooke and Jeffrey, bring their signature humor and playful banter, shining a spotlight on the quirks and missteps of modern dating.
In this edition, Kelly reaches out to see why her date, Mike, has vanished after what she thought was a fun, outdoor-themed first meeting. What follows is a mix of awkward admissions, relentless (and hilarious) “camp-splaining,” and a resounding demonstration of why sometimes, two people just aren’t meant to be.
Brooke and Jeffrey maintain their upbeat, irreverent, and light-hearted energy throughout, poking fun at both their callers and themselves. The hosts are supportive, but never miss a moment for a running joke—especially at the expense of awkward date moments, passionate campers, or themselves ("camp-shamed within an inch of his life").
This episode wonderfully encapsulates why "Second Date Update" is a beloved radio bit: real, awkward dating stories, hilarious commentary, and just enough heart to keep listeners invested—even if the “success rate” stays comically low.
Key Takeaway:
Sometimes a love for the outdoors (or lack thereof) is just too big a divide—no matter how nice the sleeping bags at REI.