Second Date Update Classic: Pet Store Probation

Summary

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Second Date Update Classic: "Pet Store Probation"

Podcast: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Release Date: January 19, 2026
Episode Theme:
This episode is a quintessential “Second Date Update”—where the hosts help a listener, Lily, figure out why the guy she met isn’t calling her back. What starts as a light-hearted attempt to connect after a meet-cute at a pet store quickly unravels when the panel discovers that Ethan, the object of her affection, was there for court-ordered community service. Amid plenty of laughs, awkward reveals, and self-deprecating humor, the show explores flirtation, first impressions, and what happens when your ‘love interest’ has a secret they’d rather not share.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lily’s “Meet Cute” Pet Store Move

• Lily’s Strategy:
  • Lily admits she sometimes cheers herself up on bad days by dressing up and visiting stores to flirt with cute employees, using a “damsel in distress” act to spark conversation.
  • [04:12] Lily: “I was having a really bad day... I'll dress up... If there’s a cute Guy that’s working there... maybe put on a little bit of the stupid girl act and get him to sort of try to talk to me.”
  • She used this at a pet store, confusing cat beds for dog beds to get Ethan’s attention.
• Hosts’ Take:
  • The team playfully mocks and analyzes Lily’s tactic, with Jeffrey and Brooke noting how men often fall for opportunities to “be helpful.”
  • [05:48] Jeffrey: “I could see how that would work for a guy because dudes like to come in and be helpful...”

2. The Flirt Just Fizzles

• Aftermath:
  • Lily exchanged numbers with Ethan, tried to set up times to meet again under the guise of needing more pet advice, but noticed he was always “not working” when she’d try.
  • She wonders if her act came off as “too stupid,” despite having a master’s from Oxford (which she sometimes hides for approachability).
  • [07:20] Lily: “I have a master’s. I graduated from Oxford... I’m trying to make myself more approachable and just, you know.”

3. Hosts Dive into Dating ‘Dumb’

• The panel riffs on whether “acting dumb” is really an effective strategy, comparing Lily to Jose (another host who comedicly plays himself down).
• The conversation is light but with genuine curiosity about why Ethan cooled off.
• [09:36] Jeffrey: “There’s a fine line...if a girl’s a total idiot, you don’t want to date that either.”

4. The Confrontation: Ethan’s Perspective

• Ethan Joins the Call ([10:32]):
  • He sounds downbeat and skeptical at first, suspecting a sales call.
  • When told this is about Lily, he’s noticeably cagey and vaguely alludes to “circumstances around the pet store.”
  • [11:31] Ethan: “It’s not so much what I think about her, she seems great...it just wouldn’t be appropriate.”
• Pursued for Clarity:
  • The hosts suspect there’s a workplace policy or hidden relationship, but Ethan refuses to clarify.
  • He repeatedly calls the situation “complicated.”

5. The Big Reveal: “Pet Store Probation”

• Lily Is Brought On – The Truth Comes Out ([13:16]):

  • Ethan finally admits: “I don’t really work there.”
  • Turns out he was doing court-ordered community service at the pet store (!).
  • [13:55] Ethan: “It was court ordered...”
  • He sidesteps specifics about his legal trouble but says it made it onto TV, which the hosts razz him for not giving full details.

• Brooke Attempts Empathy:

  • She reassures Ethan that “people do dumb things” and commends him for “doing the time.”

6. Would They Go Out After All This?

• Lily’s Reaction:
  • Lily is surprisingly unfazed (“I don’t care…you seem really cool…We all do silly things”), and expresses a wish to get to know each other authentically.
  • [16:08] Lily: “I’d love for both of us to just sort of get to know each other for who we really are.”
• Ethan’s Hesitations:
  • He demurs, saying he’s “a mess right now” and “not composed enough to deserve somebody like you.”
  • [16:21] Ethan: “I feel right now that I’m not composed enough to deserve somebody like you.”
  • He insists he must “get right for me to be right for somebody else,” essentially declining the offer of a date (for now).
• Final Take:
  • Both acknowledge the timing isn’t right and that genuine connections require people to be ready for them.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lily’s dating philosophy:
  • “I take a little cue from out of the Breakfast at Tiffany’s handbook…” ([04:12])
• Hosts on ‘acting dumb’ in dating:
  • “That is the chance you play when you play the dumb game.” – Brooke ([07:17])
• Ethan’s first reveal:
  • “I don’t really work there.” ([13:31])
• Ethan on community service:
  • “No, it was. It was court ordered.” ([14:15])
• Brooke on the offense being ‘on TV’:
  • “So TV gets to know, but radio doesn’t get to know? Come on, throw us a bone.” ([15:04])
• Hosts, tongue-in-cheek:
  • “Ever done a second date where it’s been so hard to convince a convicted felon to go out?” – Jeffrey ([16:49])
• Ethan, self-aware:
  • “I gotta get right for me to be right for somebody else.” ([17:48])
• Lily, at peace:
  • “Guess I can't get someone smart or dumb.” ([18:00])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Meeting Lily & her dating tactic: [03:47]–[05:44]
• Details about the first encounter: [05:11]–[06:59]
• The team’s breakdown of Lily’s ‘act’: [07:08]–[07:20]
• Panel’s debate on playing dumb: [08:33]–[10:00]
• Calling Ethan: [10:32]–[13:13]
• Ethan reveals his community service status: [13:13]–[14:30]
• Attempts to set up a second date / final decisions: [15:14]–[18:14]

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Overall Tone

Light-hearted, occasionally self-effacing, with the typical “Brooke and Jeffrey” mix of banter, empathy, and quippy observations about dating life. Most of the humor is at the expense of awkward first-impression tactics and how both Lily and Ethan end up unintentionally misrepresenting themselves.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

If you enjoy second-hand embarrassment and the comedic unmasking of modern dating rituals, this episode is a classic. The “Pet Store Probation” saga is equal parts cringe, compassion, and clever commentary on why looking for love (or even a second date) is never as simple—or straightforward—as it seems.

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Transcript

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Lily]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

Y. All right, let's get to the podcast. It's starting right now.

[Commercial Announcer]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning, second date update.

[Jeffrey]

How many times have we heard guys come on this show and say, oh, man, I have a foolproof way of meeting hot, available ladies? And it works every time?

[Brooke]

Yeah, at least 10. And then they're always on the show with us, right? Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

So right today, though, Shu is on the other foot. Cause there's a woman on the phone who apparently has her own sneaky way of how to meet cute single dudes. And I wonder if we're going to be shaking our heads at her, too. Let's welcome to the show.

[Brooke]

Lily.

[Jeffrey]

Lily, how you doing?

[Lily]

Hey. I'm good, thanks. How are you doing?

[Brooke]

Good. Are you outside of a clinic? As we speak.

[Lily]

You found me out. Now I know why he won't call me back.

[Jeffrey]

He's nursing. Well, we're. We're curious about this strategy that you have. But first, tell us about the guy.

[Lily]

Well, the guy and the strategy kind of go hand in hand.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, in that case, erase what I just said and tell us about the strategy.

[Lily]

Oh, man. I guess it sounds silly, but it always cheers me up. So I was having a really bad day, and when I have bad days, I take a little a cue from out of the Breakfast at Tiffany's handbook where I'll dress up and make myself feel really pretty, and I'll go to, like, some random store, and if there's a cute Guy that's working there. I'll. I don't know, maybe put on a little bit of the stupid girl act and get him to sort of try to talk to me. And like, what?

[Brooke]

Like, are these shoes? What do you do while shopping?

[Jeffrey]

Why can't we see air?

[Lily]

But I don't know, it just. It makes me feel a little bit better about myself when I'm feeling down. So this particular day, I went to a pet store and. And.

[Brooke]

Oh, okay. I was. I was picturing you in a mall or something. All right, I know. I was like, it's full of high school workers.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

We're in a pet store.

[Lily]

A pet store. And, you know, there's always cute animals, which is delightful. And there's a really cute guy working.

[Jeffrey]

There and a guy who likes animals.

[Lily]

Right, exactly. So I started wandering around, like, the cat section, like with the cat beds and stuff. And when he passed by, I said, I'm so sorry. These dog beds just look so itty bitty. Like, do you have anything a little bigger? Then he's all like, oh, you're in the cat section. Here's the dog beds. And we kind of hit it off and we started chatting and.

[Brooke]

Okay, okay. So you use it as a conversation starter, basically. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

I could see how that would work for a guy because dudes like to come in and be helpful and knowledgeable to a woman to make them feel good, too. If we're done, we would not pick up that you were acting.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, this poor helpless woman.

[Brooke]

Is this an opportunity to accept explain something?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I can mansplain.

[Brooke]

I cannot resist it.

[Jeffrey]

And so did we learn this guy's name yet?

[Lily]

Well, his name's Ethan.

[Jeffrey]

And Ethan. Okay.

[Lily]

He's really cute. He was really sweet. I actually really liked him. And we kind of hit it off and we ended up exchanging numbers.

[Brooke]

Oh, man, you are good at this.

[Lily]

Well, gosh, there's the rest of the story. So I didn't hear anything from him, and so I tried texting him and just said, oh, you know, you were so helpful. And I just had like a couple or questions, like, are you going to be in tonight? When will you be working next? Could I, like, drop in? And he wasn't really responding. And when he would. He would never be working. When I was like, oh, are you going to be in?

[Brooke]

I mean, do you think you made it too professional and not flirty enough on the text?

[Lily]

Well, I mean, I was trying to make it flirty.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Lily]

There are a few little things in there. Like, I had just Such a great time chatting with you, and you're so helpful.

[Jeffrey]

And is there anything in your mind, like thinking back on your interaction, where maybe something could have been off or weirded him out?

[Lily]

The only thing I can think of is that he really thinks that I'm stupid.

[Jeffrey]

Well, there's a fine line, right?

[Brooke]

That is the chance you play when you play the dumb game.

[Jeffrey]

Yep. Right.

[Lily]

So here's my thing. I have a master's. I graduated from Oxford. Like, I know that maybe sometimes that can be a little intimidating. So part of it is just, like, I don't know, I'm trying to counter that. I'm trying to, like, make myself more approachable and just, you know.

[Jeffrey]

Well, maybe like, trying out, like, the dog food and tasting it yourself. That may have been one step over the line.

[Brooke]

But you guys never hung out, right? You never went on any sort of date outside of the pet store?

[Lily]

No, and that's what I was trying to make happen.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Lily]

You know, and it just. He. He wasn't really writing me back. And when he would, it was always just like, I'm not working.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's almost like. Yeah, totally. His number. So that's a good sign.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, there's something.

[Lily]

If it is something, like, I just blew it. Like, my icebreaker went horribly awry. I'd love your help to maybe fix it a little bit.

[Jeffrey]

Well, we're gonna call Ethan for you here in just a second. If I could figure out how to use this darn phone. I'll help you, Jeff. Which button was the hold one? It's the one that says hold. I'm just gonna have somebody else do this for me anyway. We'll come back. Call Ethan. Get your second date update right after this. Hold on.

[Brooke]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

If you missed the first part of today's second date, our caller, Lily.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Actually has a lot in common with someone else on this show.

[Brooke]

What's that?

[Jeffrey]

Talking about Jose Balanos. Really? Because Lily admitted she kind of acted a little bit silly. Played up her dumbness in order to meet someone of the opposite gender. And Jose does the exact same. Same thing every single day on this show. Yeah, it is true. Believe it or not, I actually got decent grades in the school. I'm not that dumb. He's playing it down. He actually has a doctorate from Harvard. In kinesiology. No, not that. Spell. Kinesiology for everyone. I don't even know if it starts with a K or a C. Yeah, C. Humble. I love that about Jose.

[Brooke]

I just. He's so smart.

[Jeffrey]

He really is. But sadly, you guys really don't think I'm smart.

[Brooke]

Just like.

[Jeffrey]

Just like with Jose and his love life. Maybe Lily played it up a little bit too much when she met Ethan at the pet store. She's worried maybe that's the reason he's not meeting up with her a second time.

[Brooke]

I mean, it could be uncute to a certain point.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I was the one who was like, oh, this is brilliant, because guys want to help. But I also agree there's a fine line if a girl's a total idiot. You don't want to date that either.

[Brooke]

Are you ready to be a smarty around him, Lily? Because. Or maybe a mini.

[Jeffrey]

Just be, like, in the middle.

[Lily]

Well, no, I mean, I want to be with somebody who likes me for who I naturally am, but, you know, I understand that it's not. Not always great to start things out guns blazing with, you know.

[Brooke]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lily]

Hermione Granger.

[Jeffrey]

You just have to get smarter. Progress, smart.

[Ethan]

Right.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Yeah. Hermione didn't go to Oxford. She went to Hogwarts.

[Jeffrey]

They're the same thing. Very similar, you know, same country. All right, I feel like we're blowing everybody's iq. Who's listening? So let's just call Ethan, all right? Even I sound smart right now. Good luck to us. Here we go.

[Ethan]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, we're looking for Ethan?

[Ethan]

Speaking.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, hey. Sorry, bud. Is this a bad time to call? You sound like you're down.

[Ethan]

No, I just didn't recognize the number. I don't. What's up? Who is this?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we're a radio show, so we're gonna need you to pick up your energy to help our ratings.

[Brooke]

Jeff, we don't need to, like.

[Jeffrey]

I'm just.

[Ethan]

I'm just used to sales calls. I'm pretty wary.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God. I'm one of those that answers them all, too. Every single one of you. Take me off your list.

[Jeffrey]

We're not really trying to sell you anything. We're trying to actually hook you up with one of our listeners. We'd love to take you off our list.

[Ethan]

Oh, yeah.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Ethan]

What's the scoop? I'm listening.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, this is a woman that you've actually already met at the pet store where you work at. Her name's Lily.

[Ethan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brooke]

You remember Lily?

[Ethan]

Yeah. Yes, I do.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Can we ask what you thought about her?

[Ethan]

Oh, gosh, how do I say this? It's not so much of what I think about her. She seems great. It's just, you know, circumstances around, you know, the pet store and everything. And, like.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hold on.

[Brooke]

Wait.

[Jeffrey]

Circumstances. Hold on.

[Brooke]

Are you in a relationship? That's what it sounds like.

[Ethan]

No, no.

[Jeffrey]

Let me ask you a really easy question. Are you into Lily? Do you like her?

[Ethan]

Yeah. I just don't think the way that, you know, through the pet store and everything, like, it just wouldn't be appropriate. Does that make sense?

[Jeffrey]

According to Lily, you gave her your phone number so you could understand how she would be a little bit confused that you're not wanting to hang out with her, because she says she's tried several times.

[Ethan]

So listen, in my defense, she's tried to meet me at the pet store for advice.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, she told us that.

[Brooke]

I don't know. You keep saying it's not appropriate with the pet store. What's.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Is there a pet store policy?

[Jeffrey]

No kissing in the store?

[Ethan]

Yeah, I don't want to hang out at the store.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, so hang out outside the store. What's the problem?

[Brooke]

I think she's just using that as an opening to, like, talk to you. I don't think that that means, like, she would love if you asked her out.

[Ethan]

Yeah, I just. I don't know. I'm not in a place right now where I was really even expecting something like this. I just. I'm. I'm hesitant. There's. You know, there's other things. It's sort of complicated. Does that make sense?

[Jeffrey]

Not really. And maybe. Maybe it's something where you don't want to talk to us because you don't know us, but it might be better if you just told Lily directly. I like that she's actually on the other line right now and has been listening to this entire conversation. Dude.

[Ethan]

Oh. All right.

[Brooke]

This is.

[Lily]

Hey, Ethan. So, yeah, I was listening, and a lot of it didn't really make sense to me, either. I just. I thought you were really cool, and, you know, whatever it is, I just. I'd love to know and, you know, sort this out.

[Ethan]

No, I'm sorry. I'll cut to it. I don't really work there.

[Brooke]

Wait, what? What?

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Ethan]

Wait, wait.

[Brooke]

What did you say? You don't work at the pet store?

[Ethan]

Yeah, well, not anymore.

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Ethan]

Here's the thing. It's not like I got fired or anything. It's just that it was. It's complicated. It's. So I was doing community service.

[Jeffrey]

What? Voluntary community service? Nobody really does that, Jeff.

[Brooke]

No, that's just called volunteering, Jeff. You don't call it community service.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, you know. Hey, Courts, I have a question. Could you assign me to a. I.

[Lily]

Mean, I. I would also like to know if this was involuntary community service.

[Ethan]

No, it was. It was court ordered.

[Brooke]

That's okay. I mean, listen, people do all sorts of dumb things at certain points in their life. You sound like you are doing the time, making up for what you did.

[Ethan]

Yeah, I'm definitely getting right again.

[Lily]

I just asked if this was just for something stupid or like if you happen to murder someone by chance.

[Ethan]

Well, with murder, they don't really let you do community service.

[Brooke]

They're like, oh, you know what? You took out three people. You know what? Go to the pet store. Yeah.

[Ethan]

Nothing like that. I really don't want to get into it.

[Lily]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Ethan]

But I will say this. It did get me on tv, and that part was kind of cool.

[Brooke]

Cool. You sound proud of it. Now, wait, so TV gets to know, but radio doesn't get to know? Come on, throw us a bone. Or send us a link to watch it somewhere.

[Ethan]

I'm not going into it. I don't want any more attention about it.

[Jeffrey]

So. Okay, so let's. Let's move aside from the court stuff.

[Brooke]

But that was so fun.

[Jeffrey]

Jeff, let's get to the point of why we're calling you.

[Brooke]

That's true. That's true.

[Jeffrey]

It's trying to get you and Lily to go out. What do you think about seeing Lily away from the pet store or from schools?

[Brooke]

We don't know what kind of situation.

[Jeffrey]

100Ft of.

[Ethan]

No, nothing like that. I can still go by schools.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

This is the kind of detective work we're doing for you, Lily.

[Lily]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Jeffrey]

The idea of hanging out with Lily. Sounds good.

[Ethan]

No, it does. It's just, I'm. I'm a mess right now.

[Jeffrey]

I'm kind of a work in progress.

[Lily]

Well, hey, if I can jump in really fast, if it's okay. Ethan, I'm. I'm so sorry that you're feeling this way. And I. Honestly, I don't care. Like, I. You seem really cool. You seem awesome. I'd love to get to know you better. I mean, we all. We all do silly things. You know, when I met you. When I met you at the pet store, I had been having, like, the worst day ever, and I, you know, got gussied up, and I was trying to cheer myself up and was probably acting a little silly and dumber than I really am. Just flirt with a really cute guy who I liked. And I'd love for both of us to just sort of get to know each other for who we really are.

[Ethan]

Listen, I appreciate that. I just. I feel right now that I am not composed enough to deserve somebody like you.

[Jeffrey]

That's kind of sad.

[Ethan]

Well, and I just.

[Lily]

Very sweet, but I. I'd love to be the judge of that.

[Brooke]

It sounds kind of like a project a little bit, Lily. I mean, he's saying he's not ready to date. He's got to work on himself.

[Jeffrey]

Girls love projects.

[Brooke]

It's not a good idea. They don't.

[Jeffrey]

Ever done a second date where it's been so hard to convince a convicted felon to go out?

[Ethan]

Okay, not a felony.

[Jeffrey]

Okay? It was a misdemeanor. Whatever it was.

[Brooke]

Write it down, bro.

[Jeffrey]

Happy to look past all of your transgressions that you've done in your life and give you another chance. And we'll give you a chance. And even pay for that date. Yeah, man. It's a great opportunity. All going out on the limb for you, if you'll say yes.

[Ethan]

Yeah, I don't know. I appreciate you paying for the first one, but I don't know.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, we'll pay for the next five days.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Jeffrey]

We will pay for the wedding.

[Brooke]

How about this?

[Jeffrey]

You're gonna bankrupt the station, bro.

[Brooke]

How about he just keeps Lily's number? And when he's ready, can he text you?

[Lily]

I mean, yeah, totally. But, I mean, I. I have to say, you know, it doesn't sound like you're really that into it, and I'm not. I. You know, I. If you were interested, you'd be interested, so.

[Ethan]

You're right.

[Jeffrey]

You're right.

[Lily]

I don't want to.

[Ethan]

I mean, listen, the way I'm looking at it is I gotta get right for me to be right for somebody else.

[Brooke]

Okay? Maybe if you showed the clip, she'd stop asking.

[Jeffrey]

Translation, he'll call you when the ankle monitor is allowed to come.

[Lily]

Well, thank you for your help. I really appreciate it. Guess I can't get someone smart or dumb.

[Jeffrey]

And don't be so hard on yourself, Lily. You can't even get someone with a criminal record either to go out with you. There's gotta be somebody there. Maybe a smart criminal. Just kidding.

[Lily]

Brooke and Jeffree in the morning.

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[Brooke]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

Funny when people openly brag about being on tv. I know Brooke does it all the time. She hops on her insta stories and goes look at me, I'm on a local daytime TV show. I'm better than you.

[Brooke]

I don't say that it sounds like someone's jealous. It's just implying someone's jealous. But that's cute. I have been searching for this guy on google. I cannot find what his crime is. Yeah, it is driving me nuts.

[Jeffrey]

The thing is, bragging about being on daytime TV is different than being on the news, which is where he he was. And I'm just trying to think positive about it. I'm going to think that he was in the background of like a weather shot on the 7 o' clock news.

[Brooke]

And that's why you get arrested and have to do a community service. No.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, he was like some meteorologist was trying to report on a storm and he was in the back waving.

[Brooke]

Boring. I want something juicy.

[Jeffrey]

Maybe he was in the crowd during a sports report at the stadium.

[Brooke]

I want like naked shoplifting charge or something like that. You know, give us something dirty you to want. I don't know. It's more fun.

[Jeffrey]

I'm trying to stay positive. I don't believe he was the top story of the night.

[Brooke]

Oh, okay.

[Jeffrey]

Although, let's be honest, he probably was.

[Brooke]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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