Second Date Update Classic: Scam the Scammer

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Second Date Update Classic: Scam the Scammer"

Episode Overview In the "Second Date Update Classic: Scam the Scammer" episode of Brooke and Jeffrey, released on May 24, 2025, hosts Brooke and Jeffrey delve into the troubling experience of a listener, Lindsay Scotty, who was ghosted after a seemingly promising first date. The episode explores themes of trust, manipulation, and accountability in the modern dating landscape, culminating in a dramatic on-air confrontation intended to uncover the truth behind Lindsay's ordeal.

Listener's Story: Lindsay Scotty's Experience The episode begins with Jeffrey announcing an email from a distressed listener, Lindsay Scotty, who seeks the hosts' help in exposing her date, Alex, who abruptly left their dinner without explanation.

• Jeffrey [03:25]: "We got an email from a listener and I'll just read the subject line."
• Lindsay Scotty [03:33]: "There's a scamming coward on the dating apps and you need to help me expose him."

Lindsay recounts how her date with Alex started positively, with genuine connection and mutual interest. However, towards the end of the meal, Alex excused himself to use the bathroom and never returned, leaving Lindsay confused, embarrassed, and financially responsible for the entire dinner bill.

• Lindsay Scotty [04:45]: "He was so flirty and funny and, like, who does this? What kind of garbage piece of crap human. And leave their date at the end of the day all by herself?"

Hosts' Analysis and Emotional Response Brooke and Jeffrey express empathy for Lindsay, discussing common experiences of being stood up and the frustration that comes with unanswered texts and unresolved emotions.

• Brooke [06:00]: "You have a lot of reason to be upset, but I don't know that he is going to hear you if we're coming in at that level."
• Jeffrey [06:57]: "Yes, I've texted him a lot. He had plenty of opportunities to write me back and let me know if Something went wrong in the bathroom. Which he didn't."

The hosts consider the possibility that Alex may be a serial ghoster, manipulating multiple women for personal gain, and discuss the lack of accountability in such behaviors.

On-Air Confrontation with Alex Determined to get answers, Brooke and Jeffrey decide to call Alex live on the air. Lindsay insists she wants Alex to hear her side and expose his actions, sparking a tense dialogue.

• Jeffrey [10:02]: "We better dial Alex and we're gonna be on our best behavior. Hopefully he picks up."

When Alex answers, he immediately confronts Lindsay, asserting that she was manipulating him by coaching her "little friend" to act as if her Uber app wasn't working, thereby securing financial favors.

• Alex [12:17]: "Because she probably didn't share with you that I saw her and her little friend before the date."
• Jeffrey [12:58]: "Are you lying to get what you need?"

The conversation escalates as both parties accuse each other of deceit and manipulation. Alex claims that Lindsay was practicing a scenario to exploit men, while Lindsay defends her actions as seeking genuine help to get home safely.

• Lindsay Scotty [14:24]: "I was expecting to be able to get help getting home. I just said that, and there's nothing wrong with that."
• Alex [15:09]: "She was practicing over and over again, and you two were laughing about it."

Climactic Exchange and Resolution The episode reaches its peak as Brooke and Jeffrey attempt to mediate, highlighting the importance of hearing both sides before passing judgment. However, the confrontation devolves into mutual accusations, leaving both Lindsay and Alex entrenched in their positions.

• Brooke [16:25]: "What do you mean you're not scamming? You're lying to get what you need."
• Jeffrey [16:50]: "Brooke, there's always two sides to every story, and you're on the wrong one every time."

Ultimately, the hosts acknowledge the complexity of the situation but are unable to reconcile the conflicting narratives. They tease a future segment promising to delve deeper into such manipulative behaviors in dating.

Conclusion and Tease for Future Episodes As the episode wraps up, Brooke and Jeffrey emphasize the importance of accountability and honesty in dating, leaving listeners with a provocative glimpse into the darker aspects of modern romance. They hint at more intense discussions and revelations in upcoming episodes, aiming to shed light on the prevalence of scams and manipulative tactics in the dating scene.

• Jeffrey [18:28]: "Thank God. You are such a champion of women, Jeffrey."
• Brooke [18:32]: "I knew you would. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning."

Key Takeaways

• Trust and Accountability: The episode underscores the necessity of mutual respect and honesty in dating, highlighting the emotional toll of being ghosted without explanation.
• Manipulation in Modern Dating: Through Lindsay and Alex's confrontation, the podcast exposes potential manipulative tactics used to exploit vulnerabilities in romantic interactions.
• Importance of Listening to Both Sides: Brooke and Jeffrey navigate the challenge of addressing grievances while striving to understand all perspectives, emphasizing the complexity of human relationships.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Lindsay Scotty [04:45]: "He was so flirty and funny and, like, who does this? What kind of garbage piece of crap human."
• Jeffrey [06:57]: "Yes, I've texted him a lot. He had plenty of opportunities to write me back and let me know if Something went wrong in the bathroom. Which he didn't."
• Alex [12:17]: "Because she probably didn't share with you that I saw her and her little friend before the date."
• Brooke [16:25]: "What do you mean you're not scamming? You're lying to get what you need."

Final Thoughts "Second Date Update Classic: Scam the Scammer" offers a gripping exploration of the frustrations and potential deceit in the dating world. Through Lindsay's story and the ensuing on-air drama, Brooke and Jeffrey shed light on the importance of transparency and genuine connection, urging listeners to navigate their romantic endeavors with awareness and integrity.

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

Second date update. We got an email from a listener and I'll just read the subject line.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

It says there's a scamming coward on the dating apps and you need to help me expose him.

[Brooke]

Juicy.

[Jeffrey]

And his name is Scotty. Don't.

[Brooke]

Come on. Stop it. It is not.

[Jeffrey]

I'm just kidding. It's an inside joke on the show right now. So we're gonna put that aside with the bottle of peach schnapps and everything else that's waiting up in his hotel room. Let's focus on our call. She did seem pretty heated in her email. Just on the subject line alone, you could tell. Let's talk to Lindsay. Lindsay, welcome to the show.

[Scotty]

Hi.

[Brooke]

Oh, already coming in hot. Just with that high. I love it. Lindsay, you caught a scammer.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, dating app.

[Brooke]

What's going on?

[Scotty]

I did. And I want to call him. I want to call him.

[Brooke]

All right, let's take a deep breath.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I like his energy. We'll get into him. Can we know what's this guy's name?

[Scotty]

His name is Alex. And honestly, don't even call him a guy. He's a boy.

[Jeffrey]

Wow.

[Scotty]

Like, cowardly little.

[Brooke]

What happened? Okay, Lindsay, we're on the radio.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we gotta watch the language just a little bit. But I. I appreciate the passion that you have.

[Brooke]

What happened?

[Scotty]

Well, we got dinner and it was going great. I felt like we were really connecting, having a good time. He seemed more into me than I was into him.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Scotty]

And towards the end of the meal. He gets up to go to the bathroom and never comes back.

[Brooke]

That. Oh, no.

[Jeffrey]

We.

[Brooke]

We have talked to people that have done this or had it done to them.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that's really extreme.

[Scotty]

I've heard of this happening online. I never thought this would happen to me, and it was humiliating. I felt like an idiot.

[Brooke]

Oh, God. How long did you sit there? Did you get the waiter to, like, go check on him or what?

[Scotty]

Yeah. Okay, so after like, 15, 20 minutes, I was like, maybe we can check the bathroom. Is he okay? I actually got worried about him and he wasn't even there. He was gone.

[Brooke]

Oh, man.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Brooke]

I hate to ask, but usually the people who do this aren't enjoying the date. Do you think maybe you've done this before?

[Jeffrey]

Lexus coming in strong, saying you did something wrong?

[Brooke]

The people that call us usually did it have a really good reason.

[Jeffrey]

She's right.

[Brooke]

I mean, come on.

[Jeffrey]

He doesn't like you so much. He left, right?

[Scotty]

Like I said, he seemed more into me than I was into him. He was so flirty and funny and, like, who does this? What kind of garbage piece of crap human. And leave their date at the end of the day all by herself?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it's going bad. You just don't call her back.

[Brooke]

You have a lot of reason to be upset, but I don't know that he is going to hear you if we're coming in at that level. You know what I mean? Like, what do you want out of this? You want to call him out and then what?

[Scotty]

I want to know what made him do that.

[Jeffrey]

So you want to know why? Well, it's good that we're going to talk about you, because it sounds like you're just going to yell. This is definitely different because most of the people that reach out to us want another date with the person that we're about to call. Lindsay, you have no interest whatsoever.

[Scotty]

No, I want you to call him, and then I'm going to come on the phone and wean him out.

[Brooke]

Okay?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, okay. I'm here for that.

[Brooke]

I don't know. Like, what if he has a good reason?

[Jeffrey]

Brooke, there is. There is no good reason a man should ever do that to a woman.

[Brooke]

We have heard where people have had, like, bathroom emergencies where they can't go back to the table.

[Jeffrey]

He could have texted her and said something to her, like.

[Scotty]

Exactly.

[Jeffrey]

Have you reached out to him since then? Since that happened?

[Scotty]

Yes, I've texted him a lot. He had plenty of opportunities to write me back and let me know if Something went wrong in the bathroom. Which he didn't.

[Jeffrey]

Well, I'm assuming you called him a bunch of like mean names in the text message.

[Scotty]

I mean, I started off nice and then he didn't answer. So he doesn't deserve me being nice. He doesn't get that. He does not get that.

[Brooke]

What's interesting, I mean, as soon as we tell this guy who we're calling for, he's gonna hang up on us.

[Jeffrey]

Why?

[Brooke]

Because he knows. He knows how mad she is. She's already been texting him.

[Jeffrey]

Well, he won't know that she's on the line until we surprise with that.

[Brooke]

I mean, maybe he wants to out her. Maybe this is his chance, right? If it's something he thinks she did. Not that I support that.

[Jeffrey]

Women don't do things wrong in the dating world, Brooke. I've learned this.

[Scotty]

So the only done this. I bet he's done this to like a hundred women. So he can't get away with it and he has to defend himself or say something.

[Jeffrey]

You think he does this like all the time? He gets it. Can't be just her walks out. It's nothing to do with.

[Scotty]

I bet he does.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay.

[Scotty]

Because he was acting so smooth and funny. Flurry, I can make these guys like a book.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay. So the only reason that you reached out to us here is just cuz the idea of not knowing why he left that night is probably just killing you right now.

[Scotty]

And if he's going to humiliate me, I'm going to humiliate him on the radio.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, we're not just doing this for Lindsay today. We're doing this for women everywhere who have gotten stood up and walked out of in the middle of dinner. Let's get him, ladies. Come on. We don't even know if he's a scammer. We are going to be merciless when we come back and do the most brutal second date part two we've ever done. If you're a guy, I would not answer your phone in the next five minutes. Well, well, please answer so that we can have something to air. But we're going to do it right after this second date update. This is a little tense cuz there's a woman listener of ours on the phone right now who is out for blood.

[Brooke]

Oh yes she is. Claws are out.

[Jeffrey]

Cuz in her mind, and I do kind of agree with her here, there is no reason for a guy to get up and leave a table at the end of the date, sneak out of the restaurant and stick her with the entire bill.

[Brooke]

And that's the thing. He ate his dinner. It's not like he left in the middle and like some emergency ordered.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but that's what.

[Brooke]

That's a good point, Jack.

[Jeffrey]

That's what happened to Lindsay. Or, I mean, at least I think she got stuck with the bill. Well, what happened with the bill, Lindsay? Did you pay it?

[Scotty]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeffrey]

The whole thing.

[Scotty]

Yeah. So that's another thing. He left me to cover the bill. The waiter saw me sitting there for a half hour and saw how upset he was, and he generously covered my bill, which was so nice.

[Brooke]

Oh, nice.

[Jeffrey]

Told the manager to take it off the bill, maybe paid for.

[Brooke]

You didn't have to pay.

[Scotty]

Yeah, I didn't have to pay. But the humiliation of being left alone there was the worst part of it, okay?

[Brooke]

Alexis is humiliated just sitting alone at her desk. Sometimes she hates being alone. Even if it wasn't stood up. I can't.

[Jeffrey]

It's shameful. But, Brooke, I. I think we need a game plan so we all don't jump on Alex and, like, get angry.

[Brooke]

Right off the bat. I mean, I think first of all, we shouldn't accuse him of anything we don't know from his side. What happened.

[Jeffrey]

You liar.

[Brooke]

All we know is he left.

[Jeffrey]

That's a fact. You would say that, wouldn't she? Brooke?

[Brooke]

There could be a reason. Even if his reason sucks. You want to hear it? That's the whole point of you calling in, right? You want to hear it?

[Jeffrey]

He better be in the hospital when we call him. I won't forgive him.

[Brooke]

And the only way we're going to hear it is if we come in. Not accusatory.

[Jeffrey]

Okay?

[Scotty]

Okay. But, like, we're all on my side, right?

[Jeffrey]

Yes, well, the girls are. The girls do not seem.

[Brooke]

I mean, right now. Yeah, I haven't heard the other side of the story yet.

[Jeffrey]

I don't care what the other side of the story is, personally. But you know what? I'm gonna dial Alex and we're gonna be on our best behavior. Hopefully he picks up. Here we go.

[Scotty]

Okay, let's see what he says.

[Brooke]

Okay. Okay. All right.

[Jeffrey]

I kind of like it. Here we go.

[Alex]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, we're looking to speak with Alex.

[Alex]

This is he.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, Alex.

[Brooke]

Hey.

[Jeffrey]

Hope you're having a good day.

[Alex]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hello?

[Brooke]

Sorry, Alex, I'm just laughing at Jeffrey right now.

[Jeffrey]

Hi.

[Alex]

I know. Who's Jeffrey?

[Jeffrey]

That's me. I'm a radio host on the show Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Brooke]

Hey, Alex.

[Alex]

Wait, what?

[Brooke]

The whole show's here, man.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, you're on the radio right now. We're just hoping to have a nice, calm, pleasant conversation with you today.

[Alex]

About what?

[Jeffrey]

A date you went on recently with one of our listeners. Her name is Lindsay. Please don't hang up.

[Brooke]

Yeah, Come on.

[Alex]

Oh, my God.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Yeah. You remember Lindsay, huh?

[Alex]

Oh, man.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. So we heard from her that you two went out to dinner recently, which.

[Brooke]

She thought was going great. She really was enjoying her time with you.

[Jeffrey]

And then there was the bad part of dinner, which happened when you went missing from the restaurant, like.

[Brooke]

Yep.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

So, yeah, you're just gonna own that. You're not gonna apologize immediately.

[Jeffrey]

So you admit that you admit that happened. You walked out.

[Alex]

I take full credit for that.

[Brooke]

What?

[Jeffrey]

Credit?

[Brooke]

That's like a pride thing when you take credit for something. What do you mean?

[Alex]

Because she probably didn't share with you that I saw her and her little friend before the date.

[Brooke]

What little friend? What's a little friend?

[Jeffrey]

Like, we're talking about leprechaun.

[Alex]

I don't know her little friend's name. Her little girlfriend. They were about a block away from the restaurant. Her and her friend were involved in something else, so they didn't notice me.

[Brooke]

What do you see them do that's so terrible?

[Alex]

Her friend is like. Seems like she's coaching her for something. So Lindsay says to her friend, my Uber app is not working. Can you pay for me? And she, like, bats her eyes and what?

[Jeffrey]

So her Uber app wasn't working?

[Alex]

And her friend said, no, Just say it a little more believably.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, she's coaching her to act.

[Alex]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Brooke]

So she wouldn't have to pay for an Uber home.

[Alex]

She was like, my Uber app's not working. Could you pay for me? It was, like, sociopathic the way she did it.

[Scotty]

So you think sociopathic the way I did it?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, no, there's no way she sells you.

[Alex]

Wait a minute.

[Jeffrey]

We have to let Alex know that that is Lindsay on the line.

[Alex]

Oh, I would never.

[Scotty]

Trust us.

[Brooke]

We didn't got something to say that.

[Scotty]

What I'm hearing. What I'm hearing, Alex, is that you're so. Guys aren't supposed to help a girl get home safely.

[Jeffrey]

Well, after a thing is. Lindsay, you jumped in too soon. So we couldn't get to what Alex was thinking. What was going through your mind, Alex?

[Alex]

I was thinking, and I feel like I have proof because I witnessed your friend coaching you in getting me to, like, pay for your Uber, and you playing this, like, damsel in distress act just to get free stuff out of me.

[Brooke]

Do you know what he's talking about? Lindsey, I was.

[Scotty]

I was expecting to be able to get help getting home. I just said that, and there's nothing wrong with that. And so your answer to that was to get up and just leave dinner at the end and leave me the bill? Like. Like, I don't know, like an immature loser? What the hell?

[Brooke]

I mean, if you. And here's the question. I want to know, like, if you heard it before the date even started, why did you do the date?

[Alex]

Because here's the thing. As soon as I heard her planning to do that, I already knew she was going to manipulate me, so I.

[Scotty]

Was like, I'm gonna manipulate you, so you. Oh, my God. God forbid a guy helps a girl get home. You know, usually people do that, but.

[Alex]

You were practicing over and over again, and you two were laughing about it. This is not you asking for help.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we're laughing.

[Scotty]

We're girls, and we think we're. Like, I was cute. So what? Do you not laugh with your friends? Like, Jesus, you made this evil plan in response to leave me and like an idiot in the middle of the restaurant all alone, like, oh, God, you're the socio.

[Brooke]

You know what?

[Alex]

I ordered the most expensive thing on the menu.

[Scotty]

Okay, so this just confirms you are. You are just a little.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, if anything, you guys are both a little bit of manipulators.

[Alex]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I only scam the scammer. I was ready to have a genuine date with her, okay?

[Scotty]

Oh, shut up. I want to try to get home after a few drinks safely, and you decided up on a plan to just, I don't know, make small. You want to make women feel small?

[Alex]

You are not women. You are one person.

[Scotty]

Oh, great. So now I'm not a woman who deserves to be not left and abandoned at a restaurant.

[Brooke]

Why can't you afford your own Uber?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, fine.

[Jeffrey]

You got.

[Alex]

You guys are not getting it. She was practicing that her Uber wasn't working. She can totally afford it. She just wants to make a fool out of somebody.

[Scotty]

Okay, okay, so chivalry is dead. Thank you.

[Brooke]

Not chivalry, Lindsay.

[Jeffrey]

It is a little bit sus that you're practicing the line to say to, like, be like, can you pay for my broken app?

[Brooke]

Oh, no, it's more than sus. It's like, you got caught, girl. You got caught scamming him for an Uber ride.

[Scotty]

I was not scamming.

[Brooke]

What do you mean you're not scamming? You're Lying. You're lying to get what you need.

[Jeffrey]

I am just ashamed that Brooke was on Lindsay's side this entire time. This is what happens.

[Scotty]

Yeah, like maybe Brooke cannot be part of this anymore.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, exactly. Thank you for taking my side, Lindsay.

[Alex]

I think Brook sounds like a genuine individual who could totally afford her own override home.

[Brooke]

Yeah, clearly.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke, there's always two sides to every story, and you're on the wrong one every time.

[Brooke]

I've never heard anyone in that room say that before. That there's two sides. I didn't hear that at all.

[Jeffrey]

So weird. Look, I mean, at this point, we're running out of time, so I just have to ask.

[Brooke]

We would. I know. There could be a lot of hot.

[Jeffrey]

Passion there because we always offer to send you guys out on another date. A date that we would pay for if you're both willing to agree to it.

[Scotty]

No, I can find a man who doesn't mind getting me home after a few drinks.

[Jeffrey]

I don't mind getting you home after a few drinks. That's why I'm offering to pay.

[Alex]

I mean, Lindsay, I'm actually kind of down at this point.

[Jeffrey]

Don't fall for it, Lindsay. He's luring you in for another trap you're going to pay for.

[Alex]

What could I possibly weave this time, dude?

[Brooke]

And in the end, Alex, I don't know if you know this, but she never even paid for the dinner.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I don't feel too bad.

[Scotty]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

So you the waiter, content.

[Alex]

Oh, my God. You know what? That makes me even happier that this is all happening on the radio.

[Jeffrey]

What's happening on the radio?

[Alex]

That she is getting completely exposed for being the liar manipulator that she is.

[Scotty]

Oh, my God. This is funny now, Alex. Oh, my God. Stop it. You can't spin this around.

[Jeffrey]

See, she thinks she's in the right now.

[Alex]

Takes one to no one, babe.

[Jeffrey]

All right. I think we've gotten pretty far in understanding what happens. We finally reached common ground. They're in the right.

[Brooke]

Thank God. You are such a champion of women, Jeffrey.

[Jeffrey]

That's right. I fixed all the problems. You're welcome.

[Brooke]

I knew you would. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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