A (2:43)

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B (2:53)

All right, if you're like me, you're out there frantically trying to put Christmas together. So you know what.

A (3:00)

Zen Brooke?

B (3:01)

Yes. Then it's Crunch time.

C (3:04)

Start shopping. Get on it.

B (3:06)

Come on. It's Brooke and Jeffrey, and this is the podcast.

A (3:10)

Thank you for being here. I could go either way.

B (3:13)

I'm a little stressed out. I don't know if you are too, but hopefully this back to back classics will help ease your tension, get you some good laughs, and help you get in some tasks done. So here it is. Back to back classics start right now.

A (3:27)

How do you turn a bona fide nice guy into an irresistible baddie that no woman can turn down? Sounds impossible.

B (3:37)

Yeah.

A (3:37)

It's like turning Sheldon from big Bang into Vin Diesel from Fast and the Furious Transformation. Can it be done? Well, one of our listeners tells us he is fed up with being friend zoned. He wants to get ahead of things using a bizarre new plan that we have never tried before. What is it? We're gonna find out. And if it's successful, it could change the game for nice guys everywhere. In your second date update, right after this second date update, I'm gonna share something with our audience that's happened behind the scenes here. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

B (4:15)

Oh, what is it gonna be?

A (4:16)

I don't remember if Brooke has said this on the air, and it's not bad. But off the air, whenever somebody brings up online dating.

B (4:24)

Yeah.

A (4:25)

Brooks response. And Jose Alexis, you can confirm this. She's always like, oh, I don't think I could ever do online dating. There's just. There's way too many options. How could you ever just pick one guy?

B (4:37)

I totally do online dating. I would just never do marriage after I did it.

A (4:42)

Exactly.

B (4:42)

Because I would have never dated anybody long enough.

A (4:44)

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

B (4:46)

I see what you mean. I thought you meant.

C (4:48)

Okay.

A (4:48)

It's the crux of dating with all the maps now.

B (4:51)

Too many choices for people.

A (4:53)

And I think it was intended in a good way to match people up who would have never found each other if they were just left to their normal lives. But more often than not, it just ends up being with. You have so many choices. Men and women can't make up their mind. They can't commit to just one. And if they're not blown away immediately, there's, you know, 20 other options that they could just go explore.

B (5:16)

I go to the cereal aisle, and it feels overwhelming with what one I should choose.

A (5:20)

And the thing is, that's where our listener Evan. Evan is at right now. He claims he is a victim of being just one guy in a sea of a billion dudes.

B (5:31)

Jeff's dream.

A (5:32)

Yeah. There's positives and negatives to it, but, Evan, welcome to the show.

C (5:37)

Hey, guys.

B (5:38)

Hey, Evan. I'm sorry, man. He sounds like you're going through it with this online dating stuff.

C (5:44)

I am. It's been years, and there's been ups and downs, but I'm just, I want to try something new, and I, I, I think it's gonna work. I just need a little help.

A (5:53)

Okay.

B (5:53)

Okay.

A (5:54)

So what is your, your stance on dating right now? Like, where are you at?

C (5:58)

I think that you should date a lot of different people because experts say that if you focus too much on just one person, you're gonna end up disappointed.

A (6:08)

But you're supposed to, like, date a little bit, and then when one stands out, then you kind of focus on them. It doesn't bode well for Brooks married life. She focuses a lot on that one guy.

B (6:17)

Yeah, that's so funny.

A (6:19)

So, Evan, you're, you're not focusing on just one. You're dating a lot of different people?

C (6:23)

Well, I wouldn't say a lot, but, yeah, I'd say a small handful at any given time.

A (6:28)

Wow. Okay.

C (6:29)

That's a lot.

A (6:30)

That's a lot for some.

B (6:31)

Is there one in particular that you really like, or are we just going to call 10 girls?

C (6:35)

Yeah, there is one. Her name's Jenna, and she's a top contender.

A (6:39)

Top contender. Nice way to put it.

B (6:42)

Is that a compliment, Alexis? I'd like to be. Oh, it is.

C (6:45)

I mean, if I'm going to be.

B (6:46)

All contender, I want to be the top one.

A (6:48)

There you go. So where do you and Jenna stand?

C (6:53)

We had one date. It was good, and nothing bad happened. And, like, I know how these is.

A (6:58)

That your Barney says it defensively.

B (7:00)

Nothing bad happened. I mean, is that your bar? Like, you had a good enough date that nothing bad happened, so that's why you want to call her?

C (7:06)

Well, sometimes I do feel that way. But this was a good day. It was genuinely good. And I do believe that she likes me and would like to go out on another day with me. Oh, I just want to try this thing to kind of make her work for a little bit.

A (7:23)

So you already wait, like, she's hooked.

B (7:25)

So you're not calling us because someone's not calling you back or isn't interested?

C (7:30)

Correct. She is interested. That's what I believe. Oh.

A (7:32)

What? Okay, this is different, I guess. Let's hear him out. So this girl.

B (7:36)

Try not to think game. He's playing games in my head right now.

C (7:39)

It's not a game, but it is reverse psychology.

B (7:43)

Oh, that works so good on me.

A (7:47)

Did it just work on you. It's like, I'm trying to figure this out. I'm not gonna tell you I love it. All right, you already have Brooks interest now, so what is your idea for reverse psychology with Jenna?

C (7:58)

I want you to call her and tell her that, like, I thought that she was cool, but I'm a little on the fence about it.

B (8:04)

Huh.

A (8:05)

Wait, why?

B (8:07)

Why would we be calling her? Just to tell her that. Yeah, that's gonna make her morning. It's gonna really.

A (8:14)

It's kinda weird. Why do you want to do it this way with Jenna?

C (8:19)

The thing is, I've had a lot of dates this past year where the first meeting is great, but then it just. It fizzles out. Okay. And then the girl will say to me, hey, you're super cool and everything, but there's just not a strong enough of a connection for me.

B (8:33)

You're getting friend zoned is what it sounds like.

C (8:36)

It makes me feel like I. I need to be defensive and prove myself because she's in the power position.

A (8:41)

So.

B (8:42)

Okay.

A (8:42)

All I see you're good at the first couple days, which is.

B (8:45)

No, just the first one, it sounds like.

A (8:47)

Yeah. After that, he wants to flip the script on these women and he wants to be in the power position, being like, hey, like, I think you're cool and everything, but I don't know if it's there, then the girl will have to sell herself to him. So we should call and be like, leave our friend alone, lady.

B (9:03)

Here's the thing. You sound like a genuinely nice guy, and that's probably why this is happening. I don't mean to be mean.

A (9:09)

Did you see Alexis gag when you said genuinely nice guy? That's the problem.

B (9:14)

Now everything makes sense. I mean, you do know this could backfire, right?

C (9:18)

I have nothing to lose at this point, trust me.

B (9:21)

Okay.

A (9:21)

I mean, it is a bold move, you have to admit.

B (9:25)

Can you tell us anything about Jenna that would make you feel like this is gonna work on her? Like, what does she like? What'd you do?

C (9:31)

I can tell you, but she's literally like every other girl that I've been dating recently. Like, you know, she's sweet, she's funny, she's pretty. Like they all are. Ye, but she's going to turn on me. She's going to turn.

A (9:43)

Exactly. Let's not get caught up in the minutiae of who she is as a person. I don't know if this strategy would actually work. It sounds kind of manipulative, similar to one of my co hosts. And they're happily married, so it might actually be a good strategy at the.

C (9:58)

End of the day.

B (9:59)

Here's my thing. Like, we tell her this statement and then what, Jeff? Like we tell her, hey, so and so isn't into you. Yeah. How do we follow up that conversation?

A (10:08)

You know what? He is on the other line right now. So, like, maybe if you want to try to convince him to go out, he might be okay.

B (10:16)

So, like, we won't do a lot of the talking.

A (10:18)

No, I think Evan wants to be in control here, so.

B (10:21)

Okay. Like the bad boy Evan is. Oh, not interested. But had time to call the radio, wait on hold and sit and listen. Alexis.

A (10:30)

Okay. Hello?

B (10:31)

No, he's not going to say hello. He's going to say up.

A (10:34)

Oh, I forgot I was in the middle of the phone. We're just going to be super non committal about it and let Evan swoop.

B (10:40)

In for entertainment purposes. I'm in.

A (10:42)

I think it's an interesting experiment at the very least, and we're going to find out how it goes when we call her in your second date update right after this. Hold on, man. Second date update. If you're just joining us for the second date, our listener Evan, has asked us to do something that we've never really tried on this segment before.

B (11:02)

Say it's not an idea any of us have ever had.

A (11:05)

Probably too smart for our simple brains.

B (11:09)

Oh, I like that spin.

A (11:10)

But he wants us to call his date Jenna. And instead of saying he had a lot of fun with you, he really likes you, he wants to see you again. Coming on kind of strong even me saying that.

B (11:22)

Are you giving yourself the ick?

A (11:23)

I kind of am. Even that it does feel like a lot. That's why instead, Evan wants us to say he reached out, but he's kind of on the fence about it, not really sure how he feels. So I don't know. How are you feeling about him?

B (11:35)

Oh, man.

A (11:36)

Basically reverse psychology Jenna into loving him.

B (11:39)

I'm gonna be so disheartened if this works. Like, you can't just be open with your emotions anymore.

A (11:45)

No. Evan has been rejected so many times, he's tired of being put on that side of the conversation. He wants to have the upper hand this time.

B (11:52)

This is the only problem, Brook, is why people aren't liking the dates with him.

A (11:56)

He's trying to stop the cycle of what's going on in his life. Right, Evan?

C (11:59)

It's time. I gotta stand up for the pack, you know, and there's this storyline that's just been Playing over and over again.

B (12:05)

I think you could have used the quote about, like, how someone who does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result is the definition of insanity.

A (12:14)

Right?

C (12:15)

Exactly. You're doing something new.

A (12:16)

And he thinks that if he does it this way, then she's going to be more open to not just the second date, but the third date, the fourth date. So how cool do we play it? Jeff? I'm worried. Like, do we. Do we get her name wrong at first on. Oh, sorry, there's a lot of girls. It's a good question, but I think we just have to play kind of non committal and more. Just ask her about what she thinks about the day. We'll just go right to that.

B (12:38)

Okay.

A (12:39)

I like that. Sound like a good plan.

B (12:40)

Yeah.

A (12:41)

Deafening silence from the room. Okay, here we go. I thought we already knew the plan. Okay, let's try it.

C (12:55)

Hello?

A (12:56)

Hey, is this Jenna?

C (12:58)

This is who's calling?

A (13:00)

We're. A radio show actually, called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

B (13:03)

Hey, Jenna. Hi. Hi.

A (13:06)

Thanks for picking up. We're doing a segment on our show, you may have heard of it before. It's called A second date update.

C (13:14)

Yes, but where you guys are calling.

B (13:17)

Me, we're kind of surprised. We're calling you too.

A (13:19)

Yeah.

B (13:20)

For this segment because it doesn't actually fit.

A (13:22)

Yeah, yeah. This is a little bit different than what we normally do, but we got an email from one of our listeners that you went out with. His name's Evan.

C (13:32)

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

A (13:34)

Remember going out with Evan?

C (13:36)

I do. Yeah, I do.

A (13:38)

Evan emailed our show. He told us that the two of you went out and, you know, he had. He had a decent time. He's considering seeing you again, but he is kind of on the fence about it. Yeah.

C (13:50)

What? He said that he's just.

A (13:54)

He. I mean, raising. Yeah. Like he enjoyed the date, no question about it, but the future, he's a little bit uncertain of.

C (14:02)

Wait, so he doesn't like me? I.

B (14:05)

No, no, no, no. He doesn't not like you. He just doesn't.

C (14:09)

He's.

B (14:10)

He doesn't know you. Yeah.

A (14:11)

Yeah. His heart is congested.

B (14:13)

What?

A (14:14)

Confused. I don't know. He.

B (14:20)

He doesn't know plaque.

A (14:21)

That's not what I meant. He doesn't know where his mind is at 100%. He's trying to figure stuff out.

C (14:28)

I guess I'm just confused. I thought we liked each other. I thought everything was a.

A (14:32)

Specifically that he liked you or did you just feel the vibe?

B (14:35)

Nobody does that anymore. What did he Write a note and.

A (14:38)

Circle yes or no.

B (14:39)

Do you like?

A (14:39)

It would make it a whole lot easier.

B (14:41)

Yeah.

A (14:43)

But, hey, glad you're on the date. I like you so far. No. Sometimes it's hard to know how people feel. Sometimes you're reading signs, you're reading them wrong.

C (14:52)

No, we had a great time. We even kissed.

A (14:55)

Okay, well, that's good. Like, tell us more of stuff like that. Like what exactly happened on the day. Well, give us more indications of why you think he liked you.

B (15:04)

You were so out of the box right now.

C (15:07)

Well, I mean, we grabbed drinks. I got to really know him. He was super, super nice. I don't really go out with nice guys. So he was the first nice guy in a very long time.

B (15:20)

Or she thinks they're nice, but they turn out not to be. I think that's more.

A (15:23)

Yeah, maybe you thought that he liked you, but he never actually said that to you. Could just be like a vibe that you were getting.

C (15:30)

Honestly, this is just extremely disappointing to hear because we were vibing.

A (15:36)

Okay, well, maybe the vibe that you're feeling from him is the literal phone line connection that is happening right now because he is listening to this call.

B (15:47)

Makes him feel like he wants it more. Yeah, you know, I'm just going to say that.

A (15:50)

I will say he does want to talk to you, though.

C (15:53)

What? Hi, Jenna. Evan, what is going on? I'm so confused. Yeah, I'm sorry to throw a loop in things, but you thought I was nice. Yeah, I thought you were really nice, too, but I'm just not totally sure that there's a romantic connection between us. I'm just not sure.

B (16:17)

Huh.

C (16:18)

Okay. Well, I guess. I guess maybe we're just better off friends. Well.

A (16:24)

Well, hold on.

B (16:25)

What are you doing, dude?

C (16:28)

I don't. I don't think we should jump to that. I just. I need to be sure that you really do feel that way before I. This is weird. This is a very strange way of going about this.

B (16:41)

I don't even understand where he's trying to go here.

A (16:43)

Evan, you're saying that she's saying that she likes you, but you're not sure if you believe that?

C (16:50)

Not completely. Because I'm a nice guy, and I just. I have a hard time believing that she really likes that.

B (16:57)

I thought you just said you weren't attracted to her because there was no romantic connection for you.

C (17:02)

I'm not saying there isn't. There isn't. I'm not sure. I'm in the middle here. Oh.

A (17:05)

Okay.

B (17:06)

Your message, I think, is getting a little Lost.

A (17:08)

Yeah. Well, Jenna, maybe you have to show him a little bit more strongly that the feelings are there, that it's worth.

C (17:13)

It after all this. Why would I do that? I mean, this was. It was going so well without even getting anyone else involved. This is like turning me away.

A (17:23)

And see, one date, they're saying they like him, and then all of a sudden, something switches, and they're like.

B (17:29)

Switches. It's you telling her.

A (17:31)

Yeah.

B (17:31)

There's no romantic connection and that you weren't sure if you liked her or not. That's the switch. You can turn that back. You can be honest about where you stand.

C (17:41)

I would have never been weirded out as I am right this moment if you just didn't do all this. This is very strange. This is what's turning me off.

A (17:50)

Oh, no.

C (17:52)

It would have happened on the second or third date anyway.

A (17:54)

Yeah. You may not realize this now, but after three dates with him, you would realize that you weren't into him.

B (18:02)

Now we're gonna tell her how she's gonna feel on a future date.

A (18:05)

Unless we're wrong, because. Unless we're wrong, because normally at this time, I would offer to send you guys out, and we would pay for it. I kind of have a vibe that both of you are still on the fence. Least Evan is. You might want to plead your case to him right now, Jenna. And ask Evan out.

B (18:23)

Her to plead after he turned her down.

C (18:25)

I want to. I want a partner who will fight for me.

B (18:28)

Okay. After one date.

A (18:31)

That's respectable. I think it's a. Are you willing to fight for him, Jenna, right now?

C (18:37)

To be honest with you, No.

B (18:39)

I mean, you have nothing else to lose at this point. Evan, why don't you just tell her the truth?

C (18:44)

Evan, what is this truth? You have to tell me? This is very insane how this is working out right now. If you have to tell me something, I mean, you might as well tell me right now. Look, the truth is, I really like you. And I was. And I was afraid that if I just carried on being nice and showing that I really like you, that you would get bored of me. And if I use reverse psychology on you, then you would think that I was a bad boy or, like, something that you're really attracted to and want to, like, really work towards winning me. I'm usually the one that's trying to win somebody over, and I. I wanted to flip the script.

B (19:25)

Oh, buddy.

C (19:26)

I mean, thank you for being honest, finally, about this. It was weird. It was a weird way of going.

B (19:33)

About it, but he was just Trying something new. Dating's hard these days. And he liked you. And he didn't know how to keep it going. And it wasn't the smartest move. He. I think he is finally understanding that.

C (19:46)

Yes. Yeah.

A (19:48)

Now there's more here. Now that we've really sold him, we'd love to offer to send you guys out on another date. Jenna. And we would pay for it. I mean, he has finally come clean. He's told you the truth. And no more games going forward. At least not from Evans.

B (20:03)

Never happened. Yeah.

C (20:05)

Yeah, I promise. No games. Games going forward.

A (20:08)

That's a problem.

B (20:08)

Come on, Jenna. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Let's go one more day. No, no. Yeah, we're the game.

C (20:16)

I'll go on a date.

B (20:18)

All right. See?

A (20:20)

Reverse psychology does work.

B (20:22)

No, the honest truth works, Jeff. Your real feelings work.

A (20:26)

I like how we feel accomplished when literally nothing changed. Yeah. We did it.

C (20:32)

You. You guys are the best. Thank you.

A (20:34)

Oh, you're welcome, buddy.

B (20:35)

My brain. I don't feel like it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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B (21:56)

Yeah, no, I mean, we literally just. We added more drama.

A (22:01)

We did.

B (22:01)

And there was no need for it.

A (22:03)

This is what happens when us non cool guys try and play cool.

B (22:06)

Yeah.

A (22:06)

You know what I mean?

B (22:07)

That's right, Jose. Be yourself.

A (22:09)

Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's a nice dude. Be a nice dude. It's a win for nice guys everywhere. And he's lucky that for some weird reason, she just liked him for who he was.

B (22:18)

Dude. But I really don't want to get an update from them that on the third date, she dissected.

A (22:23)

There was no romantic connection. Yeah, he's just. He's just too nice, Right?

C (22:28)

Or.

B (22:28)

So we need to talk to all the girls to find out what's the real reason, what he's really doing.

A (22:33)

Or he keeps up the act and he shows up an hour late to.

C (22:35)

The date trying to be cool, Right?

A (22:37)

Yeah, that's right. But you know what? If you're a nice guy or if you're a bad boy or anything in between, we will help you with your dating life. Email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling you back. Go check out all of our second dates, wherever you get your podcast at Brooke and jeffrey and on YouTube. YouTube?

B (22:52)

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

A (22:56)

Look, kids are great. We love kids.

B (22:59)

I see a bug coming. I see it.

A (23:01)

I hear a buck coming, but, yeah, there it is. Sometimes. I'm just saying, sometimes there are certain situations where you'd rather not have a child around.

B (23:10)

Oh, for sure.

A (23:11)

At the tantric massage parlor near Brook's house.

B (23:14)

Yeah, I would not invite kids there.

A (23:17)

I don't think kids are welcome in there. Or at night. Important job interview. He's a ginger. He's a ginger. Okay, Timothy, he might be my future boss. Please don't say that. Or in the middle of a romantic dinner date. Oh, now that's rough. But that's what happened to one of our listeners recently, when a random child walked up to their table at the restaurant and decided to say something.

B (23:40)

Oh.

A (23:41)

That they didn't realize at the time would throw off the rest of the entire evening. Evening. So we're not. Again, not saying kids are bad.

B (23:50)

Jeffrey's just saying they shouldn't be allowed in restaurants.

A (23:55)

Child should call in and apologize for what you're about to hear in a second date update. Next. Second date update. What's the fastest you've ever gone from dating app to first date?

C (24:09)

Oh.

A (24:10)

Oh, wow, that's interesting. Because usually it's hand. Some sweet talking and finagling a little get to know you. You make a couple jokes, exchange a couple pics. Yeah, but Gabe says they only sent two messages before they agreed to meet up.

B (24:25)

Damn, that has to be a record. What were the messages? It had to be more than, how are you?

A (24:29)

Wow. I don't know what it says. It either screams super charming or super desperate. So, Gabe, which one of those would you say describes you the best?

C (24:39)

I would say definitely super charming.

B (24:43)

You know, it's okay if you're both desperate at the same time. It cancels each other out. It's like two negatives.

A (24:49)

Yeah, that's how Brooke met her husband. It was great, Gabe. A lot of people can relate. I had a girl snap me the other day. Hey, I got a pack of Bud Lights. Can I come over? And I was like, whoa, whoa. Stranger danger. And I don't drink.

B (25:00)

That's also terrible.

A (25:01)

Yeah, I know. She obviously was. And Gabe, by the way, that was his mom too. You don't need to tell everyone, Jeff. You're already starting off higher level than us. Tell us about the woman that you met online.

C (25:13)

Right, yeah. So I met this girl named Abby off a dating app, and we didn't really mess around with this small talk right away. And I'm like, that. Anyway, so it was kind of perfect. She's like, hey, I. I'm not a big texture or pen pal person. Let's just meet.

B (25:29)

Oh, wow. Do we. Is that the first message she sent you, or had you messaged her first?

C (25:35)

No, no, that was on her dating profile.

B (25:37)

Oh.

A (25:39)

So that's the PSA for everyone.

B (25:41)

Okay. Special treatment for you.

C (25:43)

Correct. She's very blunt and to the point, which I really love.

A (25:46)

I can be refreshing. Yeah.

B (25:48)

So what did you write to her to make her interested in meeting up with you in person?

C (25:52)

Well, I think it wasn't much. It was like, I agree with you. Let's not get stuck on this app and text. Let's meet in person. And she had an amazing smile, so I knew I was. There was attraction. So I'm like, great, let's meet.

A (26:05)

That's awesome, because you have the entire rest of your lives to talk and bore each other and get to know each other that way. Let's just cut right to the juice.

B (26:14)

I don't know, though. You're total strangers. Like, you don't even have. I mean, it's one thing when you're, like, set up on a blind date by a friend.

C (26:21)

You just.

B (26:21)

There's some like, well, somebody's vouching for this person.

A (26:24)

True.

B (26:25)

This is, like, out of the blue, Internet stranger.

C (26:28)

Yeah, I didn't really feel she was a stranger. Like, she had a nice listings of stuff on her profile. I kind of had an idea of who she was. I. You know, What? I mean, like, I kind of knew, at least in writing, what kind of person she was, so I felt comfortable. It wasn't a big deal.

A (26:41)

That's great. That is good.

C (26:43)

Yes.

A (26:43)

Yeah. A little dangerous. Danger is exciting. On it. So what did you guys end up doing? I mean, you obviously met, right?

C (26:50)

Yeah. So we met up at a restaurant.

A (26:52)

Public area.

B (26:53)

You guys really jumped right into it. I thought for sure it'd be coffee.

C (26:56)

Yeah, it was. It was dinner. And she. Getting to know her a little bit at dinner. She's a very to the point person, but still friendly. She wasn't like or mean or anything. She's very beautiful. Great smile.

A (27:07)

That'd be kind of funny. She sits down, she's like, all right, let's get these appetizers going. Don't look at me. Don't talk to me. Let's eat first. Yeah, let's eat, and then we'll go from there.

B (27:16)

But it's so different. Like, you're going into a dinner where you know nothing about this person. All the other dates, you already know some history, right?

A (27:24)

Yeah, a little bit. But if you get to know people, then that gives you reasons to not like them, so it's safer to not do that. I get it. Jeff's like, I never get you. That's why no one should ever ask me anything, and we'll be good. Did it work out well for you, Gabe and Abby?

B (27:40)

Yeah. What was the conversation like?

C (27:41)

It was a great conversation. We talked about family and what she's into and what she does outside of work. So it was a nice flow. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. And then, actually, something really cute happened. Some little kid came up to our table. He was in a, like a Superman cape, you know, he came kind of running up, and she was playing along like, hey, Superman, are you here looking for your villain? Like, she was, like, playing into this kid.

B (28:04)

She didn't roll her eyes and say, God, some parents, like, this is a restaurant, get in control of the children. Like, kid, get away.

C (28:10)

Basically. I would have been the same way. Like, kids, go. Scram. Go with your parents. You're interrupting our day. But, like, right? She was, like, charming, actually. And so I was like, oh, and look it, I want to have kids one day. And so I'm like, maybe this would be a great mom, the future milf.

B (28:25)

I hope you didn't tell her that. That's usually a turn off when you hear that on a first date. You're gonna be a great mom.

C (28:30)

Yeah, no, I held off on that.

B (28:31)

Okay, good. Okay, good. Yeah, it's a sweet thought.

A (28:35)

How did dinner end?

C (28:37)

So it ended, I thought, pretty well. And I said to her, you know, I'm thinking I'd want another date with you. And she kind of laughed and said, we'll see, but in a cutesy way. But now it's been. Here we are a week and a half later and nothing. She hasn't responded to me.

B (28:51)

So maybe she wasn't being as cutesy as you thought when she said that.

C (28:54)

Yeah. Did I do something wrong? Did I say something? I'd like to know where I stand.

B (28:59)

I feel like it's gonna be easy. If this is a direct person, I'm.

A (29:02)

Just gonna say that. I mean, as long as easier to pick up, then it should be a short phone call.

B (29:06)

Yeah, but she might be brutally honest, so you better be prepared for that.

A (29:11)

But you would think if she was that brutally honest, she would have just told him direct, not going to hang out again. So many. What, instead of leaving him hanging? Yeah.

B (29:19)

I don't know.

A (29:20)

Maybe flying around could have been her kid, actually in real life, and she just wanted to, like, get away from Mommy's on a date.

B (29:27)

I told you, sit in booth number four, honey.

A (29:30)

That could have been her little test. And you failed. Oh, no, that's her little super boy.

C (29:36)

God, that really was her kid then. You know, that's pretty impressive. Bravo to her. I didn't see that coming. But the kid didn't look like her, by the way. It didn't look like her. So I didn't think that.

B (29:45)

You better go check your bill, make sure you didn't pay for a kid's meal.

C (29:47)

Yeah.

A (29:50)

We'Re going to find out for sure. When we come back. We call this woman and we interrogate her on if she's a mom or not. And if she wants to go out with you again, I think we could.

B (29:59)

Come in a little looser than that.

A (30:00)

But that's. We're coming in hard and fast like Superman was when we do your second date update. Right after this second date update. Look, it's a kid in a cape at a restaurant. And he didn't get kicked out because one of our listeners, Gabe, was on a date with a woman recently when a super child swooped up to their table, and the woman he was with, named Abby, treated him really nicely. Yeah, shockingly.

B (30:32)

Played along, even got into the game of pretend.

A (30:35)

Yeah, like, who's the villain? Ah, broccoli is my kryptonite.

B (30:38)

No.

A (30:39)

And. And when he suggested afterwards that they hang out Again, Abby replied. We'll see.

B (30:45)

Yeah, yeah. She thought was flirty until she stopped calling him.

A (30:48)

Yeah, yeah, directly to the point.

B (30:50)

Yeah.

A (30:50)

And hopefully it's not going to take superhero strength to get Gabe another date here. Cuz looking around the room, I don't know if we have it in us, to be honest.

B (30:58)

Alexis said she lifted one weight at a gym yesterday. I did. I'm a little sore, but I might be able to pull through.

A (31:03)

Yeah. Wow, a two and a half pounder. Good for you.

B (31:06)

Five after there's one in each hand.

A (31:08)

Wow. Oh, never mind. Should have given us more credit. Gabe, on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that we're going to get this done for you?

C (31:17)

Probably a six.

A (31:18)

Oh, ouch. I thought it would be instead ten.

C (31:23)

Well, yeah, nothing against you guys. I just feel like I done something wrong and I'm a little nervous about it.

A (31:28)

Okay, all right, so you're the reason it's a six.

B (31:31)

Okay. I like that we blame you.

A (31:33)

All right, we're going to put all the blame on you if this goes wrong. But if it goes right, I hope 100% of the credit goes to us. I like that deal.

C (31:39)

That's how it works.

A (31:40)

All right, glad we agree. Let's call this lady for you, see if we can get another date. Here we go.

C (31:53)

Hello?

A (31:54)

Hey, is this Abby?

C (31:57)

Yeah.

A (31:57)

Hey, Abby. You may or may not know us, but we're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning, and we were hoping we could take a second of your time to talk date life.

C (32:08)

What?

B (32:08)

Hi, Gabby. Hi, Abby. Sorry, I almost called you Gabby because, I mean, it kind of makes sense.

A (32:15)

You were laughing at what I said. I wasn't you.

B (32:17)

Sorry.

A (32:17)

I should probably talk to her a little bit. Yeah, I like talking around her. No, seriously, Gabby, what's up?

B (32:23)

No, it's Abby.

A (32:24)

It's Abby. Oh, sorry. You know what? I mashed matching the name up with the guy that you went out with recently. Brooke said you're not listening either.

B (32:32)

Oh, this is a mess.

A (32:34)

This is all awful. I'm sorry, Abby. You know what? At this point, we're just gonna have Alexis take over. Alexis run the combo.

C (32:42)

How many people are on the phone right now?

A (32:45)

The whole room full of us.

B (32:46)

Together, we make four of you.

A (32:48)

Well, we're a morning show. It's a radio show.

C (32:50)

I. I'm on the radio.

B (32:52)

Yeah, yeah, we got there and we're.

A (32:54)

Doing a segment called the Second Date Update, and we're trying to help out one of our listeners named Gabe, who you met at a restaurant recently.

C (33:02)

Yeah, Yeah, I know.

B (33:04)

Did you have a fun time with Gabe?

C (33:06)

Look, here's the deal. I like getting to know him. I found him to be interesting at first, but then he said a bunch of things that were pretty off putting to me, and I'm just gonna leave it at that. Oh.

A (33:16)

Oh, no, I'm sorry.

B (33:18)

Yeah.

C (33:18)

Yeah.

B (33:19)

I mean, one of the good things he said about you is he loved how honest you were. And so I don't. Yeah, I don't know that he would be hurt to hear what you have to say.

A (33:26)

Yeah, yeah. He's just a little clueless. I don't think that he realizes that he said anything that could have come across offensive.

C (33:32)

One of the things that he said to me at first was, you look nice in this light.

B (33:37)

Okay.

A (33:38)

Okay.

B (33:39)

Well, because it's in this light. Backhanded.

A (33:42)

Yeah. Oh, you read into that.

C (33:44)

That's the thing. There was no light. It was super dark where we were. Like, I look nice in the dark.

B (33:49)

That's bad.

A (33:52)

Compliment. You don't need light to look pretty.

B (33:55)

I would take that as a. Brooke.

A (33:56)

I've heard you say this before. Like, ooh, the lighting in here is perfect for me and things like that.

B (34:01)

I can say that about myself.

C (34:02)

Well, he said more than that. We haven't even gotten to the other things he said.

B (34:06)

Okay.

A (34:06)

Oh, there's more.

C (34:07)

He said, I bet you're so pretty that the guys online are throwing themselves at you. What? The guys in person don't throw themselves at me.

B (34:15)

Like, well, come on.

A (34:18)

That's so nitpicky.

B (34:20)

I think that's a little bit of a stretch. I think that maybe you were hurt from the light fighting comment, and then you're like, so now you're looking for the backhanded compliments?

C (34:28)

No, Like, I have nothing else to offer except my looks. Like, come on.

B (34:32)

I. Well, you know what's interesting? He didn't even bring up your looks when we talked to him about.

A (34:37)

Don't tell her that.

B (34:43)

She has other things to offer. He talked about how lovely and. And. And how great she was with the kid and what a good person she said.

A (34:52)

That's true. He said. He did mention a good moment where a kid came up to the table and you were really playful.

C (34:59)

Yeah. He was, like, so impressed that I shockingly be good with kids. Like, of course I'm good with kids.

B (35:05)

Like, it seems like every.

A (35:07)

Hold on you were. You were offended that he said that. You seem to be good with kids.

C (35:11)

Yeah, like, why wouldn't I be?

B (35:13)

I don't think he meant it as a surprise. He just has never met you before, so everything's new and you go expectation. But I. I just think you give him a chance. Like, he's nervous. He's trying to be nice to you.

C (35:25)

I don't see it that way at all.

A (35:27)

Well, you don't have to take it directly from us. You can actually hear it straight from Gabe's mouth because he's on the other line listening right now.

C (35:34)

Yeah.

A (35:35)

Wanting to talk to you and not compliment you in any way. Oh, come on. Don't set him up. Well, I don't know that. Gabe, are you there?

C (35:41)

Hey, guys. Hey, Abby. Hey. Here we are.

B (35:48)

He's like, this is awkward.

A (35:49)

He's clearly a little bit scared.

C (35:50)

So there's another person on the line, too.

B (35:55)

The one you went out with.

C (35:57)

God, this is like a crazy party.

A (36:00)

It is like a party. Gabe, talk to Abby. Tell her what you meant.

C (36:03)

I didn't mean anything, like, negative or derogatory. I was trying to compliment you. I was trying to be flirty. I was trying to be cutesy, cheeky. You know what I mean? And I don't remember you having an ego like you do. Now, I will say that that's not helpful.

B (36:20)

That's not helpful.

A (36:21)

Any points.

C (36:22)

But, I mean, I just. I'm shocked to hear all this. And when I said, you look good in this light, you took it in a way that I meant that had nothing to do with what you thought. It was like, maybe you have some insecurity issues. I don't know. Oh, I haven't seen it now, too. So that's what I'm talking about.

A (36:41)

Okay, let me just jump in really quick. I think what he meant by that is I'm really, really sorry. Yeah. Yeah. This is why Jeff's a good compliment.

B (36:50)

All you have to do is bring Jeff on every date you ever go on, and he will interpret in the correct way.

A (36:56)

Men have a hard time expressing what they really feel inside. So I can translate. He's deeply apologetic.

C (37:03)

I'm not hearing that at all.

B (37:04)

Like, yeah, Gabe, why are you saying things like that? You're being, like. You're, like, accusing her of having a big ego and being insecure. Why would you even mention that?

C (37:13)

Again, I was being. Trying to be cute and flirty, and now I'm hearing the side of her, like. Which came out of nowhere. She didn't say any of this during our dinner. I'm just glad I didn't say anything wrong.

A (37:23)

Truly, because I can understand. Gabe, you're Feeling a little bit attacked because she's. She thinks that you're being insulting and you don't feel that way. Maybe this is a good chance to hit the reset button and try complimenting her in a totally non offensive, completely 100% safe way. Good idea. Let's give it a shot.

B (37:42)

Do not say you're smart for a woman. Don't say that.

C (37:45)

Yeah, don't.

A (37:46)

Don't say what Brooke's husband tells to her.

C (37:48)

I will compliment you right now again, Abby, like I did a few times. You are remarkable. You are gorgeous and an incredible soon to be mother. And how you kind of played with that young kid who came over with the supermarket soon to be mother. What, do I look fat now too?

A (38:03)

No, no, no, you don't.

B (38:06)

Never say no.

C (38:07)

Where are you getting this? What's wrong? Like, what's happening here? No, I've heard enough. Honestly, this has been enough. I didn't need to engage in it a second time, quite frankly. So I'm gonna go.

A (38:18)

He's trying, but it's just.

B (38:20)

I don't think it. It's not working.

C (38:22)

Word of advice. Next time you go out with a woman, a beautiful woman, a lovely woman, I mean, maybe you just try not to shame her all the time.

A (38:29)

Okay, I don't think that's his intention.

B (38:32)

It's not a bad piece of advice.

A (38:34)

Well, of course, I think everyone should know that. Gabe, you can compliment her on that nice piece of advice that she gave you.

C (38:40)

That was a wonderful piece of advice, Abby. I'm going to take it to heart and I'm going to make a note in my journal about it when I write tonight. So I appreciate that and I wish you the best. You're. You're beautiful, you're charming. You don't have an ego. We're done.

B (38:59)

Are you. Are we even going to ask Jeff?

A (39:01)

We still need to. I think technically, just like their chemistry is off. Like no one's done anything. Anything crazy.

B (39:06)

This would happen if they texted before they went out on date.

A (39:10)

That's a good point. But we would love to offer to send you guys out to meet up one more time.

C (39:15)

Hard path.

B (39:16)

Thank you.

C (39:16)

Hard path.

B (39:17)

Okay. Shocking.

A (39:18)

Well, it's a no from Abby, it sounds like. But Gabe, I haven't heard from you. Are you still in a solo date by yourself?

B (39:26)

Oh, yeah.

C (39:28)

I mean, if you guys are paying, I wouldn't mind that. That'd be nice.

A (39:30)

Okay. Like practice. Yes. By yourself. Maybe across from a mirror. He's at a low lit diner just talking to himself, getting super offended by the things that he says.

B (39:41)

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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B (41:42)

You know, it's like how could two opposite people just find each other?

A (41:47)

Yeah.

B (41:47)

You know that just don't go well together.

A (41:49)

Darn it.

B (41:50)

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A (41:51)

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B (42:04)

That is what we call a backhand compliment, Jeffrey.

A (42:06)

No, I'm just saying that you were so poised that I hardly even noticed your mismatched outfit. Okay, you can't take offense to that. I'm giving you a compliment. I said I didn't notice the outfit. No, it's not getting the ears right.

B (42:19)

If it was anyone else, I'd take offense to it, but.

A (42:22)

But it's Jeffrey.

B (42:22)

Yeah. And I don't really care about his opinion.

A (42:26)

I. I think that you're hearing what you want to hear there. And just the fact that you're hearing it all at your age is a miracle in itself. So let's give her some applause, everybody.

B (42:35)

I can't.

A (42:36)

Let's give some applause.

B (42:37)

I can't hear that.

A (42:40)

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