Second Date Update Classics: A Picture Says A Thousand Icks + Appetizer Energy, Entrée Problems

Summary

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update Classics – "A Picture Says A Thousand Icks" & "Appetizer Energy, Entrée Problems"

Date: March 14, 2026
Podcast: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Theme:
Classic "Second Date Update" episodes where the hosts investigate why a first date fizzled, blending humor, genuine curiosity, and sharp observations. This episode features two back-to-back stories: one about a man’s surprising home décor and another about conflicting expectations around planning a second meetup.

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Episode Overview

The hosts, Brooke, Jeffrey, and their crew, field listener requests to solve modern dating mysteries. They call up those who have "ghosted" after promising first dates and try to unearth what went wrong—all with their signature witty banter and relatable takes on love, rejection, and awkwardness.

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First Segment: "A Picture Says A Thousand Icks"

[03:51-22:43]

Main Story

Listener Andy asks for help reconnecting with Carla after a great first date, which included dinner at a Mexican restaurant and drinks at his place. After her initial enthusiasm, Carla’s replies are reduced to nothing but "likes" on his text messages.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

• Food Ordering and Compatibility (04:47–06:58):
  The hosts poke fun at high-maintenance ordering habits on dates, but Andy is pleasantly surprised by Carla’s laid-back dinner order (“just fajitas”).
  Quote (Brooke at 06:06):
  “She was a breath of fresh air, very easy going… All she did was just order the fajitas, that was it.”

  • Andy sees Carla’s simple order as a "green flag" and feels an instant connection.

• Meaningful Conversation and Connection (07:58–08:39):
  Andy and Carla’s conversation flows naturally, discussing pets, personal quirks, and playful hypotheticals.
  Quote (Andy at 08:13):
  “She explained how they were best friends, but it wasn’t like in a corny way. It was in a very great energy kind of way.”

• Date Winds Down, Communication Shifts (08:51–09:53):
  They spend more time together at Andy’s place, but after the respectful send-off, Carla only reacts to texts without engaging.
  Quote (Andy at 09:50):
  “She’ll like, put a thumbs up, and it’s like, okay, well, I guess the thumbs up is good, but I need an answer here.”

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The Confrontation: Why Is Carla Pulling Away?

• Hosts Call Carla (12:10–16:30):
  Carla is friendly but hesitant. When asked about her reluctance, she reveals her discomfort:

  Carla’s Red Flag—Too Many Self-Portraits (13:47–16:02):
  There are over 20 framed photos of Andy—just him, sometimes doing odd things (petting a tiger, flexing)—spread throughout his apartment, including the bathroom.

  Quote (Carla at 16:00):
  “It would be difficult to date someone who’s already in a committed relationship with themselves.”

• Andy’s Reaction and Self-Reflection (17:23–19:07):
  Andy explains the rationale—milestone memories, travel photos, and a goal-weight gym picture—but admits the quantity might be excessive.
  Quote (Andy at 17:23):
  “They’re just big moments in my life… it’s nice when I’m walking around to be reminded of them.”

• Compromise Achieved (19:00–20:11):
  The hosts suggest digital frames; Carla is open to dating again, provided Andy reduces the photo count.

  Memorable Exchange (19:00–19:55):

  • Brooke: “Would you consider going out with him again? We would pay for it.”
  • Carla: “Yeah, I would be interested, but he has to take down some of those photos if I’m going back.”

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Takeaways & Host Reflections (22:09–22:53)

• The show highlights Andy’s willingness to compromise as a sign of healthy relationship potential.
• Quote (Brooke at 22:44):
  “Good for him… He was open-minded. He was willing to change and adjust. That’s literally the number one thing you can do to be in a successful relationship.”

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Second Segment: "Appetizer Energy, Entrée Problems"

[24:09–40:09]

Main Story

Listener James reconnects after a successful dinner with Lisa, only to be abruptly shut down when working around their busy schedules.
Lisa’s final response: a curt “Nevermind.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

• Scheduling Confusion (24:09–27:56):
  James and Lisa struggle to match their demanding calendars. He tries to accommodate, proposing an after-brunch drink, which she rebuffs with a “Nevermind.”

  • James’s classic phrase:
    Quote (James at 25:11):
    “Life is life and, you know, life is life-in’.”

• First Date Success—But Why the Shutdown? (28:03–29:33):
  Their first meeting at an Italian restaurant is full of chemistry, ending with a kiss and plans to meet again.

  Quote (James at 29:01):
  “There was a kiss, right? And then I get this text—she enjoyed it. She had a great time. And she said, ‘Let’s do this again.’”

• Lisa Explains Her Standpoint (32:05–34:20):
  Lisa agrees their connection was genuine at first but feels James’s attempts to reschedule get lazier over time—moving from dinner, to drinks, to a ten-minute post-brunch hangout.

  Quote (Lisa at 34:04):
  “When a man says he wants to buy me dinner, then I expect him to buy me dinner, not say, ‘Okay, let me buy you dinner,’ then…‘Let’s just meet after you hang out with your friends.’”

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The On-Air Confrontation: Misinterpreted Efforts and Rising Tension

• Communication Breaks Down (35:00–36:25):
  James defends himself as making an effort to see Lisa any way possible, but she interprets this as a lack of thoughtfulness.

  • James:
    Quote (35:08):
    “I was trying to make time so I can at least see you...”
  • Lisa:
    Quote (35:13):
    “Having drinks after being with my girls is not buying me dinner.”

• Disagreement On What Counts as Effort (36:39–38:00):
  Both express frustration—James feeling unappreciated, Lisa feeling unvalued.

  • Lisa: “I don’t even know your love language is food like that.”
  • James: “How ‘bout I just DoorDash you a full-course meal?”

• No Second Date—Both Walk Away (38:44–39:14):
  The attempt at reconciliation fails, ending in a mutual “not interested.”

  • Lisa: “Yeah, I’m not interested in going out with that wind bag.”
  • James: “That’s okay. The feeling is mutual.”

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Hosts’ Takeaway & Notable Quotes (39:22–40:09)

• The hosts acknowledge that sometimes personalities and expectations simply don’t mix, regardless of initial connection.
• Quote (Brooke at 39:09):
  “Life ain’t life-in right now. Am I right, James?”
  • James: “Yeah. The thrill is gone, but the second dates are second-dating.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Host Banter on Photo Decor (15:01):
  Brooke: “She didn’t say nefarious. She just said it’s odd or it’s weird.”
• Carla’s Zinger (16:02):
  “It would be difficult to date someone who’s already in a committed relationship with themselves.”
• James’s Dating Wisdom (25:11 & 39:09):
  “Life is life-in’.”
• Brooke on Compromise (22:44):
  “He was open-minded. He was willing to change and adjust.”
• James on Dinner Expectations (36:09):
  “I didn’t know your love language was food like that!”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 03:51 | Segment 1 ("A Picture Says a Thousand Icks") begins | | 05:52 | Andy describes his date with Carla | | 08:13 | Discussion about Carla’s cat and connection | | 09:53 | Difficulty re-engaging after the first date | | 13:47 | Carla explains off-putting photo decor | | 16:02 | Carla’s “committed relationship with themselves” quote | | 17:23 | Andy explains photo choices | | 19:00 | Compromise reached—second date pending fewer photos | | 22:44 | Reflection: Openness to change in relationships | | 24:09 | Segment 2 ("Appetizer Energy, Entrée Problems") begins | | 25:11 | “Life is life-in’” quote | | 28:57 | First date recap: chemistry and kiss | | 29:50 | Lisa’s “Nevermind” text | | 34:04 | Lisa describes declining quality of proposed hangouts | | 35:13 | On-air confrontation: what counts as real effort? | | 36:09 | “I didn’t know your love language was food like that!” | | 38:44 | Final “no”s—both opt out of a second date | | 39:09 | Life is life-in wrap-up |

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Summary

This “Second Date Update Classics” episode puts the realities of modern dating under a comedic lens, highlighting how misread social cues and personal quirks can derail even the most promising first impressions. Whether it’s the shock of 20 self-portraits in a bachelor pad or the confusion of “never mind” after scheduling mishaps, Brooke and Jeffrey’s crew dig into the heart of relationship mishaps with sharp-tongued empathy, ultimately finding humor and wisdom in love’s awkward moments.
Key lesson: Communication and adaptability outweigh first impressions—unless your walls are plastered with selfies.

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Right? Yeah.

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Yeah. How far can we take this?

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Yeah.

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On this show, we tend to focus a lot on what not to say during a first date.

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Oh, yeah.

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For example, you shouldn't say, you know, you remind me of that super hot mannequin in J.C. penney's with the all

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white one with no eyes, the one without a head.

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And never say, I don't like labels. That's why I removed them off of all my meds today.

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No, that's not good. That's what I do.

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But you know what we don't hear enough of is things that you should say during your first dates. That's why I'm excited for today's listener, because he claims his date said one specific thing to their waiter that wasn't just a green flag. It made him instantly realize she was relationship material. So, ladies, make sure you're taking notes when you hear it in a second date update. Coming up next, Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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Second date update.

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Sometimes you can tell right away if you're romantically compatible with a person.

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Yeah.

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Just by how they order at a restaurant.

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Oh, my God. So attractive.

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Oh, suddenly you're talking Jose's love language.

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I know Jose is with me on this. Like, for example, if you're at A fancy steakhouse.

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Yeah.

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And they say, yeah, I'll get a side of onion petals, no sauce, and a wedge salad as my main, but with no bacon, no blue cheese. Sorry, can I sub the croutons for quinoa flakes instead?

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Get out of here.

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I'm like, can we go ring shopping right now? Cuz that's the high maintenance dream girl I've always needed in my life.

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I mean, if you want super hot, that's what you have to put up with.

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Yeah, well, I guess you're right.

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They have to make sacrifices.

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Yeah.

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They can only have a couple bites of the snack.

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Exactly.

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That's how our listener Andy says he knew his date was just the right girl for him.

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Oh, really?

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We'll learn more about it in a second. But first, Andy, welcome to the show, man. How you doing?

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Hey, guys. Thanks for having me, man.

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God, anytime. We open these, Andy, talking about food, I'm immediately hungry. So I absolutely want to know what was ordered and what restaurant. Every food related item.

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We'll get to all that stuff in just a second. First, let's start with the name of this person, this girl you met. What's she all about?

[A]

Well, her name is Carla.

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Okay.

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And she's awesome. But I've been recently I've been trying to kind of get out on dating scene a little bit more.

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Okay.

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Because I was out of the market for a while and now I'm back in and trying to, you know, get the lay of the land.

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Okay.

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Right.

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One thing that I've noticed is women these days, they're so particular on their meals. I'm a laid back kind of guy. And it's like, it's super important when they're like, hold this and not that. Just get the fish.

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Get those.

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Look, some people do low carb. It's like, hey, no rice, I need veggies instead.

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Like people are just more food conscious.

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Yeah.

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Over both genders.

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Right.

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It sounds like you're pretty tired of that. Did that happen on your date with Carla?

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That's the thing. Not at all.

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That's all she had to do.

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She's like, I'll take the blank. And you were like, I love you.

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Is that accur?

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Yeah.

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What did she do? How did it go?

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She was a breath of fresh air, very easy going. We went to a Mexican restaurant and all she did was she just ordered the fajitas.

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Okay.

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That was it.

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Just like the chicken.

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Well, I mean, the fajitas are the ones that you can put together yourself.

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Yeah, that is true.

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You don't even have to ask them for substitutions.

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You have to choose, though, chicken or beef.

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So, I mean, already, like, as soon as she orders, does your whole mood change?

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Oh, 100%. And I was, like, totally into her, and I was like, oh, moving with me now.

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That's awesome, dude.

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Did you tell her about your experiences and how refreshing it was to see her order like that after the fact?

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Yes. I don't want to preemptively warn her so that she gets all nervous when she's ordering her food, but, yeah, yeah,

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all of that sounds great. You got the green flag with the food order. Tell us what about anything else that stood out on the date with Carla?

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Oh, I mean, she's cute. She has a great personality, and when she spoke about things, she would literally light up. Like, one of the questions I asked her, I was like, do you think your cat actually likes you or just putting up with you?

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That's a funny question. I like that question.

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On the date, what'd she say?

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She explained, like, how they were, like, best friends, but it wasn't, like, in a corny way. It was in a very great energy kind of way. Just a positive.

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Asking someone about their pets is a good move.

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Oh, yeah. Always. Always.

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Okay, that personally lost me for dating Carla, but I'm glad that you and her are on the same P.A. jeff, hold on. You want high maintenance and hate pets? Yes. Very low negative energy. If you're Jeff's type, text it. I have a feeling we'll get zero.

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I think that what's sweet is that she lit up about her cat, and you are literally lighting up talking about her.

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Like, awesome.

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You sound so excited.

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How'd you mess it up? Like, what did you do? Yeah, how did the rest of dinner go?

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The rest of dinner was great. We hung out way longer than we should have at the dinner table, and then we decided we didn't want the nightstand, so we ended up kind of going back to my place. We opened up a bottle of wine, and we talked some more. We had more conversations. Like, one of them was, like, about, if you wanted to delete one app forever, what would it be? My answer was, tick tock. And she was like, no, I want to delete Venmo so I'd never have to pay for anything again.

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And she's funny, dude.

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Okay, now I'm coming back around on Carla. I'm gonna steal her. Okay, so how did you and Carla leave it that night?

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I mean, I didn't want the night to be over, but it was getting Late and being respectful. First date, everything. So I called her an Uber and she went home and I haven't heard from her since. The weird thing though is like, I'll text her and she'll like my text, but she's not responding. Like, oh, she reacts.

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Are you?

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Yeah.

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Are you asking a question or are you just saying hi?

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No, also asking a question like, oh, I'd love to see you again. When can I take you out again? She'll like, put a thumbs up and it's like, okay, well, I guess the thumbs up is good, but I need an answer here.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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Unless it's not even her answ answering and her cat has the password to her phone and is just getting in there pawing around, liking your. Your text message. Cat's like, emphasize, emphasize.

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Well, they are best friends.

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That is interesting.

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You clearly had a strong connection the first time you hung out, so it's weird that nothing's happened since. It's a legit mystery to me. Most of the time we're like, duh.

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She's giving like some positive vibes. It's not like she's.

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That's what scares me. When we call and talk to her. We have to put up with those positive vibes and hopefully get an answer out of her when we come back and try and get you your second date update. Right this.

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Okay, thanks, guys. Appreciate your help.

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All right, hold on. Then.

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Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update.

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I only do this maybe a couple times a year, but I'm highlighting this second date as one. We have to get a. I would agree with you. I think we all.

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This guy is so head over heels for.

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Seriously. I. I'm actually. Compared to all the other calls that we've done this year, I'm actually going to put effort into this one. One for our listener. Andy, you're not putting an effort on the other ones.

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Your body language doesn't say that. I mean, your arms crossed, you're sitting back.

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This is my effort mode. Oh, okay. I'm locked in. But to fall asleep over because Andy, he's on the phone with us. Andy, you seem like a genuinely good guy. Yes, you do. The way that you described your date, Carla to us. She seems like a really cool person too, because most guys that we have on here, they just describe how hot their dates bodies are and how they tricked them into spending the night recently. I mean, I told her much. I could bench press. I don't know what's going on. And while we're all Impressed by that stuff, for sure. You actually focused on Carla's personality and her words, so clearly this means a lot to you.

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Yeah, it definitely does. And I appreciate the kind words, so. And I also appreciate the effort as well.

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Okay. The effort from Jeffrey. Yeah.

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Rare.

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People get it, so you should count yourself lucky. What do you think is going on? Why do you think it's been so hard with her?

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No clue, to be honest with you. Which is why I reached out to you. We had a great conversation. We had a great time at dinner. We had a great time back in my house.

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Yeah.

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It's a mystery to all of us. And we're running out of time here, so we need to call her. I'm gonna dial her number right now. Good luck to me. Here we go.

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Good luck to me. I think Good luck to him.

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Well, I'm trying. It's not Wish me luck.

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Okay. Hello?

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Hey, is Carla there?

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Yeah, this is G. Who is this?

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Hey, Carla.

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Hi, Carla.

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Love your name, by the way. My name is Gross. It's Jeff, and I work on a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

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Okay. Okay.

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She sounds like a real sailor when it comes to.

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Well, it's hard for you, too, Brooke.

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It is.

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And we're not trying to shock you too much, but we're calling as a favorite to a really cool new friend of ours. We spoke to him on the phone, and you've met him before. He's a guy named Andy.

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Oh.

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Oh.

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Whoa.

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Interesting.

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That was a negative O. Yeah, I

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mean, maybe it didn't come out right. You remember Andy, right? Can I try again?

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What is this about? I'm just. I don't know what this is all about.

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This is a segment we do called Second Date Update.

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It's about your date and.

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And Andy, according to him, said that when you guys hung out, it was a lot different than most of the other dates that he's gone on this year in a really good way. So we're just trying to figure out if there's a reason why there hasn't been a second meetup. Because he's really hoping for one.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I don't know. I. I just. I feel like I probably shouldn't have gone to his apartment.

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Gone to his apartment?

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His apartment? Something. He said you guys didn't fool around or anything? What was weird about his apartment?

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Okay, well, I'll just say this. There were a lot of framed photos.

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Huh.

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Okay.

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Okay, that's good. Usually. Usually bachelors can't figure out frames and pictures together.

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All my Art I bought with a frame, like, already mailed. Why were framed photos a red flag to you?

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They're. They're framed photos of him. Of Andy.

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Wait, well, I would hope that they would be him in his own apartment. No, bro, I'm talking about my artist. Like, the beach.

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Like, solo him or him with people?

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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Just him.

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Just him.

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When he graduating? When he's, like, petting a tiger, I think it was.

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Okay, that's cool.

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Well, what's a red flag about that to you?

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There were 20 of them. Of him.

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Okay, that's a lot.

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But listen, he's a solo guy. He lives by himself, and obviously, maybe he just has him up because he wants to remind himself of all the cool places he's been.

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You know, maybe I should put up some stuff. So, Brooke, you would see this and you would think this is normal. 20 plus pictures.

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20's a lot. I don't know about normal, but I'm just like. I don't know that it's, like, nefarious or means that he's a bad person.

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She didn't say nefarious. She just said it's odd or it's weird.

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Well, she used it as a red flag, and it's the reason that she's not calling him back. And I don't know that that's fair. That's all I'm saying. If he's, like, cocky, too, but I don't know, right?

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Oh, yeah. Were there any cocky pictures of him that made you think, wow, this guy's a real jerk?

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Well, I think it's a fair question.

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Yeah. He had a photo of himself flexing.

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Did he have muscles? Did he have muscles? Like, was it good?

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Yeah.

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Was he ripped?

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It was okay. At best.

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Okay. I mean, we could go into detail and talk about what was inside of all of photos, but I'm still trying to understand what the underlying problem is.

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You don't see it as a red flag?

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What is it? He's confident in himself and likes having pictures of himself. Absorbed. Okay, self absorbed.

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Or you're worried that he doesn't have friends.

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I just feel like it was clear to me after being there for half an hour. It would be difficult to date someone who's already in a committed relationship with themselves.

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Oh, It's that motivational thing people do where you put a photo of yourself as a kid in the mirror, but he just has 20 of them.

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Well, yeah.

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He's talking to the graduate.

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He just came across as such a good guy.

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I just yeah, but I don't know. Maybe we got a totally wrong read on him, and he's absolutely obsessed with himself because he is on the other line right now listening in on this conversation, which I guess, in a way is about him.

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Oh, my God.

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And he does want to talk to you. Andy.

[A]

Hi, Carla. Hi. How are you? Hi. Thanks for doing this, Andy. This is, like, embarrassing for you. I don't want to put you on blast on the radio because I thought we had a great time, and then. And you weren't necessarily responding back to me, and I didn't know you were gonna be kind of hating on all the photos of, like, big moments in my life and stuff like that. And, Andy, they're everywhere. There's one in the bathroom. Like, it's weird. Look. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't have very good interior decoration skills, I guess you could say. Most guys, you make it seem like I have a big crush on myself.

[C]

That's okay. You could crush on yourself.

[B]

Can we ask, bro? Like, when you were putting up all those pictures, why, like, why did you put those up?

[A]

I don't know. They're just big moments in my life that it's nice that when I'm walking around, be reminded of them. Like, you mentioned the tigers. Like, that's a trip I took with me, my parents, when we went to Africa. Or I do. I do have a shirtless gym selfie on my wall one.

[C]

Oh, it's a selfie selfie. That's worse.

[B]

Is that the bathroom one? Because I would understand that would kind of fit.

[A]

Yeah. Like I mentioned before, I've been off the market for a while. I might have gained a lot of weight. And so, like, this is a picture of, like, after I hit my goal weight, like, like a milestone type of thing.

[B]

Carl, are you hearing him?

[A]

I'm hearing this. I just feel like maybe he could have asked one of his friends, and they're like, is this too many photos? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It sounds like it didn't register with him at all, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Have you ever had anyone else comment about the excessive amount of photos of you?

[A]

I don't really. I don't have a lot of people come over, to be honest with you. And I didn't think about decorating with stock Target photos of, like, red, succulent plants or whatever.

[B]

Okay, well, let's not not hate on people that like to decorate from Target because they have some good stuff. You should use a woman's touch. Maybe you two can help each other. I. I just can adjust It a little bit.

[C]

Maybe you have a reasonable amount that he should have. Carla, is there a number in your head that's okay?

[A]

Of course. Like three max. How in the world am I gonna choose just three for my life?

[B]

Actually, Andy, I have a good suggestion for you. They have these digital photo frames now where it'll rotate through, like, 500. Yeah, and you don't have to limit it down.

[A]

Look, I'm definitely open to some options here, but, I mean, some of them need to stay up.

[C]

He's taking this in stride. Some people could have gotten really defensive about it.

[B]

Compromises happen. He went through all of this effort just to get in touch with you

[C]

and look at what he could look like. I mean, that gym picture is. Well, she did just say it was okay.

[B]

Well, room for improvement is what I'm hearing.

[A]

So, I mean, if you give me a second date, at least the third, fourth, 100 dates, then we can start hanging up pictures of us together next time.

[B]

Corny pictures of you. So now that you know everything, Carla, you've heard what Andy has to say. Would you consider going out with him again? We would pay for it.

[A]

I mean, I feel like he was kind of in the dark about it. Not like he's in love with himself, which I was really worried about. Yeah, I would be interested, but he has to take down some of those photos if I'm going back.

[C]

Or at least turn him around. So not all of him is looking at you at the same time.

[B]

Okay, you guys can actually do that on your notes next date.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Pick your top ones.

[A]

Yeah, I'm totally down. We'll go out to dinner, and then afterwards we can go back and have a redecoration party.

[B]

Congratulations, Andy. You got another meetup with Carla.

[A]

Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate your help. We're motivated, too.

[B]

We set a goal to get them together. And we did it, guys.

[C]

Without even one picture of us hanging up in front of us.

[B]

That is our effort for the entire year. We can go back to not caring anymore. We can mail it in.

[A]

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[B]

Reggie, I just sold my car online. Let's go, grandpa. Wait, you did?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

On Carvana. Just put in the license plate, answered a few questions, got an offer in minutes. Easier than setting up that new digital picture frame. You don't say. Yeah, they're even picking it up tomorrow. Talk about fast. Wow. Way to go.

[C]

So.

[B]

So. About that picture frame. Ah, forget about it. Until Carvana makes one, I'm not interested.

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[C]

Yeah. To put effort into things.

[B]

No. Cause I have lots of frame photos of myself up in my place.

[A]

Why do I believe you?

[B]

My face isn't in any. Any of them.

[C]

What?

[B]

I tend to capture other stuff, but

[C]

I almost asked what was, and that was no.

[B]

You can come over and check it out if you want.

[C]

I'm good. Get those printed at, like a public place.

[B]

Yeah. Well, now I know I need to limit them down to just three, so that's good to know. But I do think Brooke actually said it best during the segment because he seems genuinely surprised that too many photos of himself could be something that derails a date.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Yeah, but good for him. He was open minded. He was willing to change and adjust. That's literally the number one thing you can do to be in a successful relationship.

[C]

I mean, it's so hard for people these days to hear something like maybe somewhat critical about themselves and think, yeah, oh, okay, well, I can fix that. Yeah, like that's a great thing to think. After that.

[B]

They really were a great match. And I hope that we do get an update from them soon and you could be the next couple that we get an update from. If you email the show, call that person who's not calling you back and go check out all of our second dates. Wherever you get your podcasts, they're available at Brooke and Jeffrey.

[A]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[B]

There's no better feeling for a guy than having an amazing date with a beautiful woman. And at the end of the night hearing her say that she can't wait to see you again, even if it is Alexis and she just puked into your car center console. Can't wait to see you again.

[C]

I put it in the console. You're welcome.

[B]

Still feels good. Well, one of our listeners knows that feeling because he was on cloud nine after his first rendezvous until he received a one word text message from that girl that was as cold and icy as it was just confusing. So now he needs our help. In your second date update right after this.

[C]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning second date update.

[B]

You ever have a date with someone where you plan to do one thing together, but then the date night gets closer and suddenly you decide, you know what, forget dinner, let's do paintball instead. Oh, whoa.

[C]

That's the right turn.

[B]

And then you get a little closer and plans change again. And then your plans change another time. Some people could see that and think, oh, this person's spontaneous and creative add

[C]

like I did, or just indecisive.

[B]

Others might see it as chaotic and. And indecisive. Yeah. Today our listener James isn't sure where he falls cuz he says his plans kept changing. So didn't go out on two dates. Didn't go out on one. He calls it one date and a half.

[C]

Oh, so that's interesting.

[B]

Let's learn about it. James, welcome to the show.

[A]

Hey, thank you guys so much, man.

[C]

We get it. There's a couple indecisive people, including myself on this show, so I understand you.

[B]

Hey, are you indecisive? Do you keep changing plans or it does just the world keep changing your plans?

[A]

No, I mean, you know, life is life and you know, life is life.

[B]

I need to put that on a bumper sticker

[C]

so bad.

[B]

Life and life hard.

[A]

Life is life in.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, but life was coming at you and you had to switch things up, right?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, because after our first date, man, she text me and says she had a great time, she wants to do it again. Right?

[C]

Okay, wait, wait. Who is she? We don't know who she is.

[A]

Okay, her name is Lisa and absolutely gorgeous. She could be Zoe Zandana's older sister.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

That's a compliment.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. I don't know who that is, but the name is the blue girl from Avatar.

[A]

Yeah, Blue girl.

[C]

You can't really see what she looks like in that still.

[B]

She looks Anything like that, then I'm in.

[A]

Well, she's not Smurfette, but she's beautiful. Okay. Still.

[C]

Okay. That's awesome. That's exciting. Where did you meet her? Did you say, I'm sorry.

[A]

We met on a dating app.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And so, yeah, we have same interests and stuff like that. I have, like, my own company. I have to travel a lot, and I know with her, with her job, she has to travel, so.

[C]

Okay. That's always nice to find somebody who understands that.

[B]

Yeah, you're both business oriented.

[A]

Right, Right. But I mean, like, for three weeks, you know, we were just, can we meet here? She's like, oh, no, my schedule. I gotta go out of town. Okay. So. All right. First week out of town, then the following week, I had to go out of town. So one day I said, well, hey, well, what about here? Let's meet this place. She said, well, you know, my girls were going to brunch today. I said, well, hey, after your brunch, let's just hang out and just have some drinks or something.

[C]

More drinks. Because brunch doesn't come without drinks.

[A]

Yeah, brunch is drinks.

[B]

The fact that anybody could walk away from a brunch is. That's just impressive in itself.

[A]

Right, right. And I mean, if we didn't go there, I mean, it was a nice little place that was next door that we could have had our privacy.

[C]

Okay, well, and that's nice, too, because, like, you're trying to accommodate her busy schedule. I'm sure she appreciated that.

[B]

Okay, so how did she respond to that idea?

[A]

Well, see, that's what I'm gonna say, man. Her response was like, never mind. Okay, what?

[C]

Wait, and this is after you'd already gone on one good date, right?

[A]

We did. On one good date. I was trying to get a half date by going, like, after brunch. But again, I know three weeks had passed. I know things happen and you get back into your routine. So I'm like, yo, at least let me see you or something. You know, let's. Let's just. Just drive by each other and wave like ships in the sea or something. But I'm like, what happened?

[C]

That is weird.

[B]

Or maybe she does know. Like, me and my friends get drinks. I don't want to meet up with

[C]

you for, like, three or four hours. Yeah, planning stuff back to back can feel so overwhelming.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[C]

Did she plan anything else with you?

[A]

No. After that, she said, never mind. And, I mean, even she could have said, well, could we meet before the brunch?

[C]

Oh, God, that's so early. Yeah, no one's going to say that. Let's get a grip here.

[B]

So before we keep going, let's just rewind back for a second here. James, can we know a little bit about date number one?

[C]

Oh, that's a good point.

[B]

Like where did you guys go? What was so great about it? Just give us a few details so that we know what it was like.

[A]

So we went to this Italian restaurant, real nice during happy hour and had a great time. Salad. You know, pops. You know, we try to watch those carbs and stuff, but they're not just

[C]

salad but a great time.

[B]

And yeah, salad had some awesome olives. As much. As much dressing as you want. Like to go back.

[C]

So funny.

[A]

Exact. Exactly.

[C]

I never understand why people who are worried about carbs go to an Italian restaurant.

[B]

Yeah, that's all it is.

[C]

That's all right. I mean, how was the conversation? The connection between you two?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it was good. We had great conversation. We found out we liked certain things, you know, our spirit animal. I don't want to go into too much detail, but.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Hey, I forgot to say she. We did have a kiss.

[C]

Oh, you did?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

There was a kiss, right? You know, at the end of the day, nothing to eat elaborate, but just nice kisses, like, cool. And then I get this text. She enjoyed it. She had a great time. And she said, let's do this again.

[C]

So there was like no doubt in your mind that this was going somewhere, right?

[A]

Exactly. Yeah. I think like the scheduling thing I understood, but I don't, I don't understand like why this was like. Nevermind. That's weird.

[B]

And so there hasn't been. There's never been a second meetup that's materialized out of all this?

[A]

Correct. I would like for it, but. Nah.

[C]

Wait, why'd we say there was one and a half then? There was only one.

[B]

Well, he was trying for the half, I guess.

[A]

The brunch. Yeah.

[C]

It didn't happen. It didn't. Okay.

[B]

Well, it did happen with her and her girlfriends. He just wasn't there.

[C]

That doesn't count for you.

[B]

I don't think that in a guy's world, that counts.

[C]

In a desperate man's world.

[B]

Well, that's where we're at with James.

[C]

The math is terrible.

[B]

I went on four dates last week. They all said no, but in my mind we were partying. So James, we're to going. Going to reach out to Lisa for you. We'll see if she picks up and then we'll try and get you your second date update right after this. Hold on.

[A]

All right, thanks.

[C]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update.

[B]

If you're just joining us for the second date update, our listener James has spent the last three weeks arranging and rearranging plans, desperately trying to meet up with a woman named Lisa, who he already went out with once. And Brooks. Yeah, yawning about the recap.

[C]

The coffee just hasn't hit.

[B]

Jeff, it was a great first date.

[C]

It was. It was.

[B]

Yes. According to her.

[C]

Help me out on that stuff. Nobody would have known.

[B]

I'm just looking around the room. Great. Now 16 other people just yawned and tuned. I'm just saying, according to James and to Lisa, because she responded afterwards that it was great. They had a good kiss, a top notch Caesar salad, everything you could ever want in a romantic first meet.

[C]

No croutons, though. Gotta watch those carbs.

[B]

And now, after all that effort, the last thing that Lisa texted him was nevermind. It's one of the top three worst things a woman can send to a guy. But, James, we're gonna try and help you get this thing back on track. All right?

[A]

Sounds great.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I feel like I only say nevermind when I'm mad.

[B]

That's a thing?

[C]

Yeah, it feels like a mad response, for sure. Did I have a. Did I have a period at the end of Never mind?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, you're done for. Nobody text with like that.

[B]

That's like, end of conversation, man. Definitely. Was it never mind? Yeah, no, that was bad. All right, well, now I don't even know if she'll pick up. But seriously, let's see if she answers. I'm going to dial her number right now. Hopefully we can get some answers out of her. But here we go.

[A]

All right, cool. Hello?

[B]

Hey, is this Lisa?

[A]

NASA's calling.

[B]

Yeah, we're. We're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[C]

Hi, Lisa. The whole show's here.

[B]

Hey, good morning.

[A]

Oh, hi. May I ask, why are you calling me?

[B]

Yeah, we're. We're doing this segment, it's called Second Date Update Date, where we try to help out listeners who've gone out with somebody and they're having trouble arranging that second meetup. We try and help facilitate it or figure out if there's a reason why the other person doesn't want to see them again. Yeah, and you can't say, never mind.

[A]

You have to participate. Okay. And you're calling me why?

[B]

Because a little while ago, almost a month ago, you went out with one of our listeners named Was it that long ago? He said three weeks ago.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

With a guy named James.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not in contact with him.

[C]

Yeah, okay. He understands that.

[B]

We got that vibe.

[C]

It sounds like things shifted, though. Did it shift for you because at first he thought you were liking him.

[A]

Yeah, I guess.

[B]

I mean, the thing that's confusing to him is that after that first date, he said you guys even texted each other about having a great time and you said you really wanted to meet up again.

[C]

Or were you just pulling like Alexis would and just trying to be nice? Nice?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. You know, I mean, honestly.

[B]

But it's true.

[A]

I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it, but that was then.

[B]

Okay, so something has changed.

[C]

Yeah. What happened?

[A]

Well, okay, so like, I text him and I did tell him that I had a wonderful time and we were trying to meet up to see each other.

[C]

Okay, and so at that point you're excited about him, right?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. But it went from let me buy you dinner and then it went to let's get drinks, then let me buy you drinks after brunch with my friends. And I'm the type of woman where if a guy says he wants to buy me dinner, then I'm going to hold him to that. And, you know, however, with James, our potential meetups became progressively worse.

[B]

So you. You felt like as the conversation went on, he was willing to put less effort into meeting up with you.

[A]

Listen, when a man says that he wants to buy you dinner, then I expect him to buy me dinner, not say, okay, let me buy you dinner. Then the next thing is like, okay, you know what? You know what? Let me get you drinks. You know what? You know what? Let's just meet up after you hang out with your friends and we'll just spend a little 10 minutes.

[C]

Okay, so it didn't make you feel special, but did you have time to get dinner? I thought you didn't have time.

[A]

Well, there were times that I didn't have time and there were times where he didn't have time. But you make time, plan it out and you make time. It's just not a drive by, like, oh, let me just see you real quick and keep going. Like, I don't even know you like that.

[C]

So weird. Cuz like, I think he took it as he was putting in extra effort to try to make anything happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like shift around you. And I know that, you know, making time is very important. He's made time.

[C]

Oh, so much time to be on

[B]

the phone with you. Right. Now listening on the other line, waiting to talk to you.

[C]

Talk about effort.

[A]

You. You didn't tell me that he was going to be on the phone.

[B]

Yeah, we did, just now. I think this is a misunderstanding. Honest. James, talk to her.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, Lisa, I'm not treating you as a drive by. I was trying to make time so I can at least see you and so we can have conversation, but that was the whole purpose of doing that. So you can get to know me. James, you text me, let me buy you dinner. And having drinks after being with my girls is not buying me dinner. Well, I didn't realize I had to be a bread basket in order to hang out with you. Oh, wait, what the. A bread basket?

[C]

What does that even mean?

[A]

What is that? I don't even know what that means either. I don't mean you go to a dinner. They usually give you bread before you have your dinner.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

He had to feed a meal to her in order for it to be.

[C]

Indeed. I don't know that that's exactly what she's saying there, Jason.

[A]

No, that's exactly what she's saying. Because if I'm giving effort to meet you and you said you want to get dinner with it, it's two people at the same time, you know. But then why didn't you suggest dinner after the brunch? Have said we went. You can go to dinner after brunch.

[B]

That'd be really late brunch.

[C]

I can eat that much. I mean, I get her, like not

[A]

directly after, but later on that same day. Clearly I had time to go to brunch. Then maybe later on that evening I would have had time for dinner. But you didn't think about that.

[C]

You could have said it maybe.

[A]

No, neither. Neither did you think about that. And I didn't know your love language was food like that. How about that? I didn't know you love language is time and consideration either.

[C]

Okay, you guys are fighting.

[B]

Yeah, I think. I think, honestly, everybody needs to just relax just a little bit because this just sounds like a big communication misunderstanding. We're forgetting that they had a great first date. They both admitted it.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

That the conversation was great and the chemistry was on. And the only problem that has come up is communicating how and when to meet up the second time.

[C]

So, James, I mean, that would be like. Like, do you not want to meet her for dinner? Like isn't dinner at this point?

[A]

I'd rather just send a door dash and she can have a full course meal.

[C]

I think she just Wants the energy, not someone to pay for her dinner. She just wants the thoughtfulness is what it sounds like.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Lisa, this was thoughtful. When we first talked to James, he described you as Zoe Saldana's younger, hotter sister.

[A]

No, I actually said the older, hottest.

[B]

Well, I'm trying to protect you here, James, so maybe just go with what I said. He's a little too.

[A]

He called me the older sister, but hotter.

[C]

She's not that old. She's probably in her.

[B]

How did the compliment backfire?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, how about this? How about this? Think of this, Lisa. He went out of his way to get a radio station to call you because he wanted to see you that much. That is effort.

[A]

It sounds like he had you call me to embarrass me. No, it doesn't sound like he was trying to flatter me.

[B]

No, it's the opposite. He wants to go out and actually spend time. Time at a dinner with you. A dinner that we would pay for if you'll agree to meet up with him again. Well, that was at the start. I don't know about you. Delete the last three weeks from your mind and just remember after that first date how good you felt about each other.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know now because I feel like he's gonna. Like, he might stand me up.

[C]

What? Why would he stand you up?

[A]

Okay. No, no, no, no. She's creating stuff now. Now she's going from a happy hour to a hostile hour, which is gonna probably lead to a hostful.

[B]

This is too.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Hostel hour.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, so wait. Does that mean that you're not interested in a date?

[A]

Not anymore.

[B]

He said no. Did they both say no? What did I hear?

[A]

Yeah, I'm not interested in going out with that wind bag.

[B]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[A]

That's okay. The feeling is mutual. Oh, wow.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Well, this one day work out, they've shifted those vibes.

[B]

Shifted? Yeah. In James's words, life is life. Yeah.

[C]

Life is life.

[B]

Life ain't life. And right now. Am I right, James?

[A]

Yeah. The thrill is gone, but the second

[B]

dates are second dating. They really are, for sure.

[A]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[B]

You know, by the end of that call, I don't know if there was anything that we could have said to save that situation. Yeah, they kind of took over.

[A]

Over?

[B]

Yeah, they're clashing.

[C]

I think dating is hard for both of them right now, and they just took it out on each other. Like, I'm just thinking about. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, ah, I hate it all they're both too busy and sleep deprived. Maybe they're just arguing.

[B]

It's like, well I want more than 30 minutes. Why want a full dinner? Well, I just want to see you. Right. But on a positive note, James did give us three of our top quotes for the entire year. Happy hour turned into hostile hour. Life keep keeps on life in and you want a bread basket with that wine that was I don't think I kind of workshopped it. I changed it a little bit but you said threat now. Okay.

[C]

I mean I always want a bread basket so my response is always going to be yes.

[B]

The whole thing was promises made, promises not kept. Darn it. Good news is we don't make any promises. When you go listen to us on podcast at Brooke and Jeffrey just life is life in online that's how we do go check it out online wherever you get your podcast at Brooke and Jeffrey.