Second Date Update Classics: Big Fragrance Energy + Trying To Connect 4

Summary

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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update Classics

Episode: Big Fragrance Energy + Trying To Connect 4
Date: June 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This “Second Date Update Classics” episode features two memorable dating disasters. In the first story ("Big Fragrance Energy"), a woman’s playful candle-themed gift exchange backfires in unexpected ways. The second story ("Trying to Connect 4") follows a man whose over-the-top post-date texting derails his shot at romance. Both segments capture the show's signature mix of cringe-worthy dating misunderstandings and humorous, empathetic commentary from the hosts.

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Segment 1: Big Fragrance Energy

(Starts ~03:46)

Setup

• Allison contacts the show after a first date with Corey. She suspects something went wrong, as Corey brought her a thoughtful gift but has since ghosted her.

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Key Discussion Points

• Gifts on a First Date

  • The team debates if it’s okay to bring a gift:
    • Jeffrey: "As long as it’s small, thoughtful, and low-pressure, it’s fine—like a quirky keychain." (04:48)
    • Brooke jokes: “Why not a small dog?” (05:00)
  • Allison reveals she asked Corey to bring a small gift to make a good first impression.
    • Alexis: “Oh, you asked for it.” (06:15)

• The Date & the Gifts

  • Corey brings Allison a cinnamon roll-scented candle.
    • Jeffrey: “Nothing says romance like Cinnabon smells.” (07:17)
    • Allison: “I started calling him BFE—big fragrance energy.” (07:30)
  • An inside joke emerges around "BFE"; the group teases the fun new nickname.
  • Allison later texts Corey a list of other candle recommendations.
    • Brooke and Jeffrey debate if this could be inadvertently rude:
      • Brooke: “If I gifted a candle and then got sent back ‘better ones,’ I think I’d be insulted.” (08:41)

• The Radio Call to Corey (13:03)

  • Corey says Allison was “quirky… not always in a good way.” (13:53)
  • The twist: Allison also gave Corey two gifts:
    • A “lucky” rock she found on the sidewalk.
    • A homemade coupon book with creative options like “one good existential conversation” and “a midnight call about aliens.”
      • Corey: "It was the gift that she brought that made me feel uneasy." (15:10)
      • Corey: “Another one was...one deep discussion about the meaning of socks in society.” (16:47)
      • Allison (defending herself): “Socks are underrated. They say a lot about culture, personality. Way more than people realize.” (17:29)

• Resolution

  • Corey ultimately declines another date, finding the quirkiness “a bit much.”
    • Jeffrey: “You need somebody that matches your same vibe, your same energy.” (19:22)
    • Allison: “You can’t use that coupon book with anyone else. It only works with me!” (20:30)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You overwhelmed him with wax!” – Brooke (09:41)
• “Maybe he’s saving up for a candle; that’s all.” – Brooke (09:30)
• “One coupon was…a midnight call where we talk about aliens.” – Corey (16:26)
• “He needs to find the right sock to her left sock.” – Brooke (19:31)
• “One free awkward hug.” – Allison, adding a final coupon (19:36)

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Segment 2: Trying to Connect 4

(Starts ~24:26)

Setup

• Matt seeks help after a successful first date at a board game bar with Tanita. After the date, he sends a series of escalating texts when she doesn’t respond promptly.

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Key Discussion Points

• First Date Recap

  • Matt and Tanita went to a bar & board game spot, playing Connect 4 and Sorry.
    • Matt: “My favorite game is Connect 4, and hers is Sorry.” (27:11)
    • The group jokes about the suitability of board games for dating.

• The Texting Spiral

  • Post-date, Tanita doesn’t text back quickly. Matt tries to be playful, but goes overboard:
    • “You better text me back, because I might go out with someone else tonight.” (28:38)
    • Follows up with, “I’m getting dolled up,” and a picture of his shoes. (29:18)
    • Later, a “Sorry” GIF referencing their game night.
  • The hosts cringe and empathize:
    • Alexis: “I’m sad. I kind of love that she ignored it all.” (29:37)

• Tanita's Perspective (32:49)

  • Tanita recounts how Matt’s texts became a full narrative of a night with another woman:
    • “Okay, I’m walking out the door now.” (35:07)
    • “Just bought his drinks, everything’s going well.” (35:13)
    • “I’m playing pinball with her, but sure wish I was playing games with you.” (35:25)
    • “So I kissed her at the end of the night, but was thinking of you the whole time. Smiley face, winky face, heart.” (35:43)
  • Tanita found it more creepy than funny, especially given the relentless pace—a whole day’s worth of updates.

• The Twist

  • The group assumes Matt was joking, but he confesses he actually did go on another date:
    • Matt: “I went on another date. Yes. Oh my god, Tanita, I thought about you the whole time.” (37:36)
      • Brooke: “It’s like, ‘Honey, I cheated on you but was thinking of you the whole time!’” (37:45)
  • Tanita: “If he made it up, I would have gone out with him again—but this is a hard pass.” (38:02)

• Resolution

  • No second date. Matt tries to end with a joke: “I just wish you would quit playing games with my heart.” (39:46)
    • Brooke: “Noooo.” (39:51)
    • Alexis and the others groan.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Are you a dad? Because dads never know when the joke’s over either.” – Brooke (31:37)
• “He wins all the games, so he’s really good at playing games.” – Tanita, declining a second date (39:14)
• “Hang up!” – Brooke, as Matt tries a final joke (39:55)

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Hosts' Reflections

• The hosts recap lessons from both stories: sometimes people just aren’t a match, and trying too hard (or being too quirky) can backfire.
• Jeffrey: “We were able to figure out that you’re two different people after two different things. And that’s okay.” (20:19)
• Brooke on Matt: “It’s amazing he can get a lot of first dates...The trick is that next one.” (42:58)

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Memorable Moments & Humor

• Running Gags

  • “Big Fragrance Energy (BFE)” as both a joke and a quirky compliment.
  • The repeated “awkward hug” coupon.
  • Hosts’ playful banter about board game etiquette and over-texting.

• Dating Takeaways

  • Overly creative or playful gestures can delight or drive away, depending on the audience.
  • Directness and not “playing games” are often appreciated more than grand gestures or elaborate pranks.

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• Segment 1 ("Big Fragrance Energy")

  • Interview with Allison begins: 05:15
  • Corey's call: 13:03
  • Reveal of Allison's gifts: 15:35
  • Resolution: 19:22–20:40

• Segment 2 ("Trying to Connect 4")

  • Matt’s call: 25:13
  • Breakdown of post-date texting: 28:20
  • Tanita’s perspective: 32:49
  • Matt’s confession: 37:00
  • Final rejection: 39:14–39:51

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Conclusion

“Second Date Update Classics: Big Fragrance Energy + Trying To Connect 4” provides a hilarious window into the perils of modern dating. From misread playful gestures to aggressive post-date texting, the episode perfectly balances awkwardness, empathy, and humor. For listeners, it’s a reminder that being yourself is great—but sometimes, less is more.

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[Brooke]

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[Alexis]

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[Brooke]

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[Matt]

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[Brooke]

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[Alexis]

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[Brooke]

We're famous. So happy World cup. And I hope you're out there, you know, taking in some games.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

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[Alexis]

Sorry, I mean, yeah.

[Brooke]

Brooke, come on.

[Alexis]

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[Brooke]

She does. She has your number, that's for sure. But dude, there's no way that she is going to get a medal.

[Alexis]

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[Brooke]

Not at all.

[Alexis]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

If someone gives you a present, no matter what it is, you're expected to show your appreciation.

[Brooke]

Of course, yes.

[Jeffrey]

However you see fit. You could say, aw, thank you.

[Brooke]

That's nice.

[Jeffrey]

You could talk about how much you've always wanted something like this.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's always the best.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Or you can do what I do.

[Brooke]

What the heck, Jeff, that is not how you say thank you.

[Jeffrey]

Swap pants with them as a token of gratitude.

[Brooke]

You may not fit.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but one of our listeners is worried that she messed up after her date, brought a gift, and afterwards she sent him one text that definitely could have been misread as being rude and ungrateful. Oh, no.

[Brooke]

Ouch.

Time to unzip the pants.

[Jeffrey]

See? Should have stuck with the old trouser trade off.

[Brooke]

Why are your zippers so loud?

Yeah, they are.

[Jeffrey]

You're gonna hear what happened coming up in your second date update.

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[Alexis]

Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

Is it okay to bring a gift on a first date?

[Brooke]

Oh, yeah, of course it is Nice.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. My take, as long as it's yes, small, thoughtful and diamonds low pressure, Like a little quirky keychain with their name on it.

[Brooke]

Then why not like A small dog.

[Jeffrey]

That's a lot of pressure.

[Brooke]

Okay. All right.

[Jeffrey]

Somewhere in the middle, you want to avoid something that's too expensive. Nothing too over the top. Romantic. Romantic, because the goal is to just be sweet and not serious.

[Brooke]

If you can link it to some inside joke you already have, it's even better.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, absolutely. And our listener Allison mentioned a gift was involved in her first date recently. I don't know the parameters of it or what exactly happened, so let's talk to her about it. Allison. Hey. Thanks for joining us.

[Allison]

Hi. Thanks for having me.

[Brooke]

What did you get us as a gift?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, presumptuous.

[Brooke]

Well, I'm just saying, I thought that she was into gift giving, so.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, before we get to the gift, let's start with who's the guy we're calling and how did you meet him?

[Allison]

Well, his name is Corey, and I met him on a dating app.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

I'm so curious if you were the gift giver or receiver in this situation.

[Allison]

I was actually the receiver.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's a gift.

[Allison]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Okay.

Weird that he would give a gift and be that excited about a date and then not be calling you back for another one.

[Allison]

Yeah, that's the thing. So it was kind of my idea. I told him that he should bring a little gift to make a first impression.

[Alexis]

Oh, you asked for it.

[Brooke]

Okay. That really changes the dynamic.

[Alexis]

Now it makes more sense than not calling, like, while you're on the phone.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it's good to have a woman who knows what she wants.

[Brooke]

How did he receive, though? Did he laugh? At first, I would think that someone was joking.

[Allison]

Yeah, it was a little bit of a joke. But also, on the other hand, it's also like, well, why shouldn't guys come with a little offering? You know, nothing big, nothing too crazy.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I think you're right. But naturally, like, the guy should already show up with something tiny.

Not, I don't want junk from guys. What did you want him to bring you?

[Allison]

That's the thing. It's up to him. I think it'd be cute to kind of figure out, like, what is he gonna bring to impress me. But I also told him nothing too serious.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, so this is more fun. You're not going in with big expectations. You're just trying to see how his brain works and what type of item he's going to get for you.

[Brooke]

And get something out.

[Allison]

Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. So what did he end up bringing for you?

[Allison]

A cinnamon roll scented candle.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yes. Nothing says romance like Cinnabon smells a

[Brooke]

little like grandma, but it's safe, right?

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Who doesn't love the smell of cinnamon?

[Jeffrey]

What was your. What was your reaction to that?

[Allison]

I thought it was funny. I mean, throughout the entire date, I started calling him bfe. Big fragrance, energy.

[Brooke]

Oh, he's got bfe.

[Allison]

Okay, bfe.

[Brooke]

There you go.

[Allison]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Created an inside joke.

Honestly, it's pretty smart of the guy too, because now anytime you smell cinnamon rolls, you're gonna think of him.

[Allison]

I did ask him, like, why he chose the cinnamon roll scent, and he was like, oh, I imagined you smelling like this. Which I thought was kind of cute.

[Jeffrey]

Interesting.

[Alexis]

Could be worse.

[Brooke]

Do you work at a mall? Is that maybe why you'd smell like that?

[Allison]

No, I don't.

[Corey]

I imagine.

[Allison]

I don't know why he imagined it.

[Brooke]

I think he probably couldn't come up with another reason, and he was just

[Jeffrey]

blurting out whatever came to his head

[Alexis]

to the checkout aisle, basically. In this candle. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, take us through the rest of the date.

[Allison]

I mean, we weren't only talking about candles, but he let me text him a candle recommendation list because I got into candles a couple years ago.

[Brooke]

Wait, could he have been insulted by that?

[Jeffrey]

Like, maybe, like, the implication is, here's a bunch of other candles you should buy for me or better, the flavor that you chose. Cause you're wrong.

[Brooke]

I mean, I think I would have been insulted if I gifted a candle and then I got set back. Better off of anything.

You give someone a ring and they're like, here's better rings.

[Allison]

Yeah. I didn't think it offended him when it was, like, happening when I said it to him, because we were laughing and stuff.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Allison]

But then at the end of the day, I was open for a kiss because it was going so well.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Allison]

But he just gave me a hug and then I was like, okay, well, maybe still being a gentleman or something, because I thought he was going to ask me in the next 48 hours to go out on the next date, but he didn't. Like, maybe he actually was offended, like you guys are saying.

[Brooke]

Did you tell him that he had to bring a present on the next date at any point?

[Allison]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was kind of like a one time thing.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but with the list that you send, in his mind, it might be implied that he's expected to show up.

[Brooke]

Oh, my gosh. What if he's saving up for a candle? That's all. He's like, I just need $12 or

more than 12 bucks.

[Matt]

Really?

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

He's trying to knock out multiple candles on Your list. It could be a big problem.

[Brooke]

So you overwhelmed him with wax?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. You expected a date within 48 hours? That hasn't happened. How long has it been?

[Allison]

Maybe a week.

[Brooke]

Okay. Okay. And you haven't heard anything?

[Allison]

Nothing. And, you know, I'm not disappointed, because I really do like him, and he's really freaking cute, and I really thought we had something.

[Brooke]

And it's easy for you to reach out, too, and be like, oh, my God, look at my cute candle. Here's a picture of it. In my house, you can only do that once.

[Alexis]

You can't keep updating every time you use the candle.

[Brooke]

I had to blow it out for 10 minutes, but I'm back.

And here's another picture. Ooh, don't blow a candle out that soon. My husband.

[Jeffrey]

Did you do that?

[Brooke]

Proper candle.

[Jeffrey]

Have you texted him a picture using the candle?

[Allison]

I did. I did. I mean, the first time, it makes sense. But then that was, like, awkwardly the last thing that was texted.

[Brooke]

Dude, it would be kind of funny if you took your candle with you everywhere you went and sent him updates, like, here's the candle on the bus. Here's the candle at work.

[Alexis]

No, don't do that.

[Brooke]

The candle and I are at the gym together.

[Alexis]

No, it's not.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, let's not laugh. This was a very, very cute gift, and now we're minimalizing it. I feel like there is a really sincere reason that he's not calling you back.

[Brooke]

You're getting serious. Okay, well, I didn't know this serious.

[Jeffrey]

I don't appreciate making jokes of true romance, so let's try and do this the right way. When we come back, we'll call Corey and get you your second date update right after this.

[Allison]

Okay, thank you.

[Jeffrey]

Hold on.

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[Alexis]

Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

Imagine sticky sweet sugar melting into ribbons of cinnamon spice. Oh, my God. With the aroma of buttery dough rising into the air like temptation itself.

[Brooke]

Oh, wow. I think I'm pregnant.

Did you just make that sexy somehow?

Yeah, that sounds amazing.

[Jeffrey]

Doesn't just smell good, it seduces the room.

[Brooke]

What?

[Jeffrey]

What I just described was a gift our listener Allison received on her first date. A cinnamon roll scented candle from Corey.

[Brooke]

Most people think of Grandma's, but not Jeff. When they think of cinnamon rolls and

[Jeffrey]

Em all, you know where my mind goes. But afterwards, Corey has disappeared. Just like a box of Cinnabon left in our break room. I mean, honestly, the one thing Allison thinks she may have done wrong is. Is send him a list of other candle scents that she likes, which Even Brooke agreed is a little bit presumptuous. Right, Brooke?

[Brooke]

I could see it being read wrong. Yeah, I don't think that that was her intention, but totally. You know, I have a husband who loves candles, and he has a long list of his favorite scents. That's true. How to care for the candle. How to cut the wick. There is a lot of rules I

can know that I light it.

[Jeffrey]

My rule about candles is, whatever you do, don't eat it. Yeah, and it's a tough one. I have to remind myself every time.

[Brooke]

I know.

[Jeffrey]

Allison. You didn't do that, right? You didn't bite into your cinnamon roll candle.

[Allison]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, good. All right. We can rule.

[Alexis]

I feel like we need to ask our listeners that.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I mean, that's true. You never know what happens on these second date updates. People end up doing weird stuff we never thought of all the time.

[Brooke]

So, yeah, totally.

[Jeffrey]

Let's call Corey and find out if he's a candle fiend just like Brook's husband. Here we go. I'm going to dial.

[Corey]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, we're looking to speak with Corey.

[Corey]

Speaking. Who's this?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, this is a radio show.

[Brooke]

Yeah. What's up, Corey?

[Jeffrey]

Super cool radio show, obviously, based on what you've just heard. No, but we're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Corey]

I'm just so confused. So many people.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, a lot of people.

[Corey]

Can I help you? What's going on?

[Jeffrey]

Well, this is a segment that we do. It's called Second Date Update. We're trying to help out one of our listeners who's asked us to reach out to you. A woman you went out with recently named Allison.

[Corey]

Okay. Yes. Okay.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

First impressions about Allison?

[Corey]

She's an interesting girl. She's definitely a quirky person.

[Brooke]

Interesting. Quirky are good things, right?

[Corey]

Not always.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, we know that something must be up because you have not reached out to Allison trying to arrange a second date, and she just is a little confused about why it hasn't happened.

[Corey]

Yeah, I think she's just a little odd.

[Jeffrey]

Allison's odd?

[Corey]

Yeah, she's a little odd. She had asked for me to bring her a gift to our first date.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I mean, she told us about that. And actually, she said she really appreciated the gift that you got her.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Corey]

Oh, she did.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

The cinnamon roll candle, Correct?

[Corey]

Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. Is that the reason?

[Corey]

Well, no. So she. I don't know if she told you, but she actually, in fact, got me two gifts.

[Brooke]

Wait, she brought you something?

[Jeffrey]

She didn't mention that at all wow.

[Corey]

To be honest, she kind of surprised me because I thought I was really the only one who was gonna be bringing the gift.

[Brooke]

But I love that she set him up. Like, can we give me a gift to test him? And then she had a gift too.

[Allison]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

It wasn't as like, testy guys don't get gifts very often. Yeah. Unless you're a romantic, it seems like that would make you feel special.

[Jeffrey]

Right. Why are you framing it as a bad thing?

[Corey]

Well, it wasn't so much like the idea of the gift. It was the gift that she brought that made me feel a bit uneasy.

[Brooke]

Uneasy. Oh, I am so curious as to what she brought you.

Is it like, not the right stuffed animal?

[Jeffrey]

Hopefully it's not her baby teeth that she's been saving for the right guy.

[Allison]

Beyond easy.

[Brooke]

Or her stuffed animal with baby teeth in it.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, actually, I kind of like that.

[Brooke]

Be cute.

[Jeffrey]

What was the gift?

[Corey]

So the first one, it was a rock that she found on the sidewalk that morning.

[Jeffrey]

A rock?

[Brooke]

I don't know. That could be kind of funny. Like, is it shaped like a heart or something? You know?

[Corey]

No, just a rock.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Corey]

And I just felt weird taking it because she said it was her lucky rock and she was giving it to me. Like, it has no meaning to me.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brooke]

But it's at that point she just found it. It can't be that lucky. You know, it's not like it's.

[Jeffrey]

It was lucky for that day.

[Brooke]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alexis]

You gotta go buy a lottery ticket.

[Jeffrey]

So a rock that she found this morning. What was gift number two?

[Corey]

The second gift she handed me was like a homemade coupon book. I don't know. Have you seen one of those?

[Brooke]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, this is good for one back rub. This is good for.

I'll do the dishes.

[Jeffrey]

They're usually sexy things.

[Brooke]

Yeah, well, they're usually things in relationships. Is that what it was?

[Corey]

One coupon was for one good existential conversation. Another one was about, like a midnight call where we talk about aliens.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, aliens specifically.

[Brooke]

Well, you can't talk about those at lunchtime. It's only a midnight conversation type of thing.

[Corey]

The other one was one deep discussion about the meaning of socks in society.

[Brooke]

Socks, like on your feet?

It had to have been a joke. I mean, that sounds funny.

Sound funny.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, well, also kind of romantic. Do you know? Was it a joke?

[Corey]

I mean, she's a bit woo woo. So it seems like probably on brand for her. I just kind of like kill the mood.

[Brooke]

Oh, meaning the socks doesn't turn him on, Jeff. Like it does you.

[Jeffrey]

Well, I know how to bring the mood right back up, and that's by letting you know that Allison is on the other line right now, listening, waiting to talk to you about alien conspiracy theories. So go ahead, Allison.

[Brooke]

It's not midnight.

[Allison]

Hey, Corey.

[Corey]

Allison, what are. What are you doing?

[Allison]

I really thought the date went great, honestly. And I'm a little shocked right now that you're finding that little coupon book I made you weird. I think it's fun. Especially like, the socks in society. Like, socks are underrated. Like, they say a lot about culture, personality. Like, way more than people realize. Okay.

[Corey]

It just was a bit odd for the first time meeting Alison.

[Brooke]

It's a little strange that you didn't bring it up with us.

[Allison]

I didn't. You guys ever really asked about the existential coupon book?

[Jeffrey]

Well, I mean, I agree with all of the things that you're saying, but putting it into a coupon book on a first date? I think that's the part that's a little odd.

[Brooke]

But that's why we thought it was a joke, though. Like, were you kidding?

[Allison]

Were you being light hearted about the aliens? Yes. Like, we can have that call anytime. Ok, Everything else.

[Jeffrey]

So she's just joking about the time frame when she can have the alien discussion. And not just midnight, any time of day.

[Brooke]

But you are down to chop it up about aliens.

It is funnier when you say aliens at midnight. For some reason, I agree with their delivery.

I wonder what their time zone is.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, Corey, does that clear it all up for you?

[Corey]

I mean, it's. It's pretty much what I thought.

[Brooke]

I mean, I don't know. You date somebody like her and maybe your mind opens up to some new ideas and some new experiences.

[Allison]

Yes, I can. I can open your mind and all that good stuff.

[Brooke]

Why don't you just go on a date with me?

She's rubbing a Himalayan salt rock right now.

[Corey]

My mind is pretty open, but I don't know, it's just a bit. It's a bit much.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Allison]

I mean, come on. What about big fragrance energy guy?

[Jeffrey]

That's right.

[Brooke]

Bfe.

Come on, man.

Yeah.

[Corey]

I mean, if I'm not feeling it, I'm not feeling it. I'm not sure, like, that's true.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. I mean, Allison, if this is how Corey feels, maybe he's not the right guy for you. You need somebody that matches your same vibe, your same energy that you're looking for.

[Brooke]

She needs to find a right sock to her left sock. Je.

[Jeffrey]

So romantic.

[Allison]

Oh, but I like him. And I mean, I didn't even tell you there's another coupon in there. That's one free awkward hug.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, an awkward one.

[Brooke]

So funny. You guys can hug and be like, no, no, no, that was way too good. We gotta make it weird.

[Jeffrey]

I feel bad about that the whole day.

[Brooke]

I think it's so good.

[Jeffrey]

Corey, you don't want to pass up that opportunity because we would pay for you two to go out on another date if you'll agree to it. Just give it one chance.

[Brooke]

Maybe even an awkward kiss.

Oh, it's so funny.

[Corey]

I actually think your host should go on a date because she seems really excited about a lot of the things she's saying.

[Brooke]

Oh my God.

Triple awkward hug, you mean? I'm into it.

Jose, anybody else wanted in our hug circle?

[Alexis]

I'm with Corey.

[Jeffrey]

Even though this didn't end up working out, there's not going to be a second date. I do think something positive came out of this. We were able to figure out that you're two different people after two different things. And that's okay.

[Allison]

Yeah. Can I just say, like Corey, you can't use that coupon book with anyone else. It only works with me.

[Brooke]

Oh, she's gonna get jealous.

[Corey]

I think that's a deal.

[Brooke]

Oh yeah.

[Alexis]

I feel like he's already thrown out the book.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

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[Jeffrey]

honestly, I don't know why she's being persecuted for being creative with her coupon book.

[Brooke]

Oh, you're others. I know.

[Jeffrey]

Most of the time, coupons are like one free back rub. One day of me doing chores naked in the house. Those are so old and played out. It's nice to hear someone actually put some creativity and, like, shake it up a little bit.

[Brooke]

Dude, I want to do the sock way. Like, when do we do the sock segment? Like, let her on and just let her go.

[Jeffrey]

That would be fun. But of course, you know us men. We don't like new ideas or creative shakeups to our normal routine. We're simple creatures who like the same old crap over and over and over forever till we're dead. Thank you.

[Brooke]

Somehow someone's gonna say, brooke, why are you saying such mean things about men?

[Alexis]

Yeah, he's Jeff.

[Jeffrey]

That's me. I hate us. And you can listen to us online wherever you get your podcast through, up at Brooke and Jeffrey. Or if you ever need help with your dating life, email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling you back.

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[Jeffrey]

Imagine someone you really like and you just started dating suddenly stops replying to your texts.

[Matt]

Welcome to my dating.

[Brooke]

Exactly how.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, well, at that point, that just

[Brooke]

an invitation for Jose.

[Jeffrey]

I'm wondering what's the strategy that you use to get them to respond to you?

[Brooke]

You give up and move on, Jeff.

No complain about it.

[Jeffrey]

Before you give up, Jose, you might send them like, one last funny meme.

[Brooke]

No, I just cried.

[Jeffrey]

You can go the give up waiting

[Brooke]

for them to respond to me Still,

[Jeffrey]

Jeff, Alexis, maybe you'd send them a Venmo request to get them to reply.

[Alexis]

Might as well go out strong.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, someone on this show would send them a link to a map with their exact location and a note below saying, I'm watching you.

[Allison]

Is that you?

[Jeffrey]

I'm just saying, could be both of

[Brooke]

us promise you it works.

[Jeffrey]

But one of our listeners was faced with that situation and did something a little unusual in order to get his crush's attention. We'll find out if his strategy worked in a second date update.

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[Alexis]

Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

There's so many different themed bars nowadays that are like, fun and kitschy. There's one where you can get drinks on a working carnival carousel.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's so cool.

[Jeffrey]

Just go up and down on your horsey while getting schweissed.

[Brooke]

It sounds like I'm gonna vomit.

Yeah, that's true.

[Jeffrey]

It's part of the fun. There's another one that's called the ping pong emporium with over a hundred ping pong tables. You just play and drink.

[Brooke]

It's like beer. Whatever pong you want.

[Jeffrey]

Whatever type.

[Brooke]

Dude, that's awesome.

[Jeffrey]

My personal favorite though is Lou's gas station just off the highway.

[Brooke]

I don't think that's themed, buddy.

[Jeffrey]

It is themed. It's just like a gas station and you can actually pump gas there. You just get a. A six piece sushi and a 40 of Mickey's, and then you head into the restroom. See what happens.

[Brooke]

Ew, kitschy.

[Jeffrey]

That's my style.

[Brooke]

Vomiting.

[Jeffrey]

But I guess one of our listeners did a themed bar for his first date the other night. His name is Matt. So let's talk to him. Matt, how you doing?

[Matt]

I'm doing okay. How are you guys?

[Brooke]

Are you wishing you knew about Lou sooner so you could have taken her there?

[Jeffrey]

I can show you where it is.

[Matt]

I mean, I'm open to new places. Yeah, there you go.

[Jeffrey]

That's my guy. Maybe I'll see you in the restroom there. But first, let's focus on this date you went on. Who is the woman that you met?

[Matt]

Tanita. Is her name Tanita?

[Brooke]

Did you guys meet online on an app?

[Matt]

No, actually, she's a friend of a co worker of mine.

[Jeffrey]

Whoa.

[Brooke]

Nice. We never hear about things like this.

My people.

[Jeffrey]

This is weird.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm recently single and my coworker just was like, oh, she's recently single

[Corey]

too, so showed me a picture.

[Matt]

I was like, oh, yeah, she's cute. Let's do that.

[Jeffrey]

I hate that.

[Brooke]

Okay. I mean, he thought she was cute. That's exciting.

[Jeffrey]

Nobody sets you up unless they're taking pity on you.

[Matt]

What?

[Alexis]

Well, they're both looking for a rebound,

[Jeffrey]

so it kind of works.

[Brooke]

I got set up with my husband.

[Alexis]

Exactly.

[Jeffrey]

Pity.

[Brooke]

No, there's no pity.

[Jeffrey]

Someone felt bad for you and hooked you up with some stranger.

[Brooke]

He's a great man. He turned out to be the best guy ever.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, he is you.

[Brooke]

That's what I was saying.

Yeah. Wait a minute. You're the pity party over here?

[Alexis]

That's what I was trying to say.

[Jeffrey]

Anyway, back to Matt. Brooke, let's not focus on your pitiful life. Matt, tell us about yours.

[Matt]

Well, I was kind of trying to make it a year of yes, so I can understand where you're coming from. So I just. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna say yes to these things.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, why not?

[Brooke]

What was it like when you guys first met?

[Matt]

We first. We talked on the phone, and we decided, like, yeah, let's meet in person. So we went to this bar that is like a bar and board games place.

[Brooke]

Okay. Why do you say, oh, like, it's negative Jeff.

[Jeffrey]

Board games for, like, you know, romantic activity. I don't know how that goes.

[Brooke]

But that's for fun.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. For, like, a family game night. But I don't know about a date. Yeah. What games were you playing?

[Matt]

So, like, my favorite game is Connect 4, and hers is Sorry. So we grabbed one of those two.

[Brooke]

And those are perfect because they're easy to have conversation at the same time you're playing them.

[Matt]

Yeah, I mean, that's what I like about Connect4 is, like, it forces you to look at the person because it's

[Brooke]

vertical, you know, And Sorry helps you apologize. It helps you practice.

[Jeffrey]

I've definitely played both of those games before, but with blindfolds and handcuffs on. So, like, it was probably a little bit different rules than you played.

[Brooke]

How do you know when you win Connect 4 if you have a blindfold? Everybody wins.

Yeah.

[Matt]

That seems like there were some different rules.

[Brooke]

Yeah, we don't talk to Jeff about that.

[Jeffrey]

You did the childhood rules.

[Brooke]

Yeah. What was it like?

[Matt]

It was great. Neither one of us were, like, overly competitive. We had some drinks. I mean, your producer even asked me. He was like, is there anything that you could think of that went wrong? And honestly, there was nothing. That was weird. We got to know each other, and it felt really cool.

[Brooke]

Do you think it was too boring? I mean, like, that's the only thing, like, if there's nothing that stood out.

[Matt]

Yeah, no, it was fun. The thing is, after the date is kind of a different story.

[Brooke]

What do you mean?

[Matt]

So I fully intended to go out with her again, and she was into it. We talked about it. So the next day, I sent her a text, and I didn't get any response. So after a few hours, I was feeling a little antsy, so I sent another. And I'll just. I'll read it to you guys.

[Corey]

Hold on.

[Matt]

So I wrote, you better text me back, because I might go out with someone else tonight. And then, like, a bunch of cute emojis oh, no.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, I see what you were trying to do there.

[Brooke]

Reading a text.

If you spoke it, maybe, but reading it, Especially when you read it from someone you don't know that well.

[Matt]

I thought she would see that it was a joke and she'd be like, yeah, what's his name? You know, Like, I thought she was gonna rip me back on it.

[Jeffrey]

What's the name of the guy you're going out with?

[Brooke]

So what did she say back? Anything?

[Matt]

No. And so I just kind of sent a few more texts. No, no.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, God.

[Brooke]

What did you say as a follow up?

[Matt]

I just kind of stuck with the same theme. I. I just was like, all right, I'm going out. I, like, sent her a picture of some shoes. I was like, see, I'm getting dolled up.

[Jeffrey]

Years from now, I'm gonna walk down the aisle and say I do. If you don't text me back.

[Brooke]

So, bro, you try.

That is so cringy.

[Alexis]

I'm sad. I kind of love that she ignored it all.

[Brooke]

Have you talked to the co worker that set you guys up?

[Matt]

No, because I just feel like it's embarrassing too.

[Brooke]

Embarrassing? Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, I even sent her a sorry gif with like the commercial from the board game.

[Brooke]

Oh, okay. Yeah. Trying to make an inside joke that's not really happening there, huh?

Just too far past.

[Jeffrey]

Exactly. This might be too far gone, but there's a chance we could bring it back.

[Brooke]

Oh, let's hope.

Can we delete the text? Is it too late for that?

[Jeffrey]

Might be too late for that, but hopefully we can get her on the phone and just sweetly convince her to give it another try.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, I mean, I really screwed up. I mean, you guys know that. So if you can help me, I'd appreciate it.

[Brooke]

Just don't start the convo with you better text me back.

[Jeffrey]

Well, you better stay on hold this entire time or we're gonna move on to a different person and get them a second date update.

[Brooke]

Sent you a picture of my shoes.

[Matt]

I deserve that. I deserve that.

[Jeffrey]

We're gonna do your second aid update right after this. Hold on, man.

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[Alexis]

Second date update.

[Jeffrey]

If you're just joining us, we're on the phone with Matt, who says he went out on the perfect first date. Beers, board games.

[Brooke]

Yeah, it's fun.

[Jeffrey]

Body flirtations. That night was flawless. After the date, though, a little bit of a different story. Matt admits he may have messed up cuz she wasn't responding to his texts. Yeah, and in a misguided effort to Get Tanita to respond. He tried to egg her on a little bit with something like, hey, if you don't respond to me, I'm gonna go out with someone else.

[Brooke]

Oh my God. And he'd only given it a couple hours too, for her to respond. It's not like she'd, like, left him on red for a day or two.

[Jeffrey]

And when he still got no reply back, he kept teasing for a while, saying, I'm serious, I'm gonna swipe on someone else soon. Now I'm putting on my shoes if you don't call me back.

[Brooke]

Are you a dad? Because dads never know when the joke's over either.

[Matt]

I am not a dad.

[Jeffrey]

The thing is, he hasn't said like he's in love with her or anything like that, but you can tell that he does like her. And you might do some questionable things when you're really into something.

[Brooke]

No, I. I really, truly think you read it as a joke. I think. She did not.

[Matt]

Yeah, I mean, that's the basis of it, I think. I just figured, I'm already embarrassed. Might as well lean in.

[Brooke]

Yeah, you tried. We're gonna try harder though. We're gonna try harder.

[Jeffrey]

We're gonna call Tanita here in just a second.

[Brooke]

Digging out of a hole.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. Yeah, you're not painting it very nicely for him. You're kind of piling it on.

[Allison]

You asked.

[Jeffrey]

I'm just saying I like to get a little positivity before we make these calls. A little forward momentum.

[Alexis]

Oh, okay. Then maybe she blocked you before she saw the rest of them.

[Jeffrey]

There we go.

[Brooke]

That's good.

[Jeffrey]

That's the forward bright thinking that we need. Don't you feel a little bit better now, Matt?

[Matt]

Thrilled.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Good news is we're not blocked yet. So let's call and see what she has to say. Here we go.

[Allison]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, is this Tanita?

[Allison]

This is.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, Tanita, you're on the radio right now with a fun morning show called Brooke and Jeffrey.

[Brooke]

Welcome to the show, Tanita.

Yeah.

[Allison]

Oh, let me get another cup of coffee.

[Brooke]

Okay. That's actually our tagline. Yeah, it's not really.

[Jeffrey]

I'm joking, but I know this might be weird, but we do want to talk to you about your dating life a little bit if you haven't a second.

[Allison]

What do you mean?

[Corey]

What are you talking about?

[Jeffrey]

It's a segment that we do on our show called Second Date Update. And one of our listeners has reached out cuz he went out with you recently, had a great time, and now hasn't been able to arrange that second meetup. His name is Matt.

[Allison]

Oh, okay.

[Brooke]

Yeah, he said you guys played board games together, which sounded really fun.

[Allison]

Yeah, it was fun. The whole date was fun until after the date.

[Jeffrey]

After the date wasn't fun?

[Allison]

Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if he told you anything or whatever, but I did hear

[Jeffrey]

that there were some texts exchanged. And by exchanged, I mean just from him.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

And the good news, he's self aware at how embarrassing those are.

[Allison]

Oh, really? Well, there were a lot more than just some texts. It was like, I mean, I don't know to the extent upset of what he said, but like, he said there

[Jeffrey]

was a lot that he was trying to like egg you on and say he was going to go on a date with somebody else. If he didn't reply, he was trying to joke.

[Brooke]

But we also understand how it could be read not as a joke at all. And by like read literally just as a red flag.

[Allison]

Yeah, well, he like literally walked me through an entire date with somebody and that's where I kind of was like, maybe.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

What do you mean?

Wait, what do you mean? You walked you through a date?

[Allison]

Oh, yeah. First, like, he was talking about like, let's meet up, and then he's like, oh, I'm gonna go out with somebody if you don't text me back. And then it was like, I'm out with the girl. You're missing out.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, wait, he really went out on dates?

[Brooke]

No, I think it was a joke. I think he was just joking.

[Jeffrey]

I thought that was.

[Brooke]

That was.

[Jeffrey]

That was the perspective that we got.

[Brooke]

Hold on. You read us the text and maybe we can decide.

[Allison]

Yeah, okay. Okay. Hold on one second, I'll look it up.

[Brooke]

He didn't really go on dates.

[Jeffrey]

I didn't think so.

[Allison]

Okay, okay, I'm walking out the door now.

[Matt]

That was the last one.

[Allison]

Okay, that was a text.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Allison]

Yeah, yeah, I just bought his drinks. Everything's going well.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

I think he's trying to be funny, Tanita.

This feels icky now though.

[Allison]

Yeah, I'll read you his next text. Okay, I'm playing pinball with her, but sure wish I was playing games with you.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, what board games that you were playing on your date?

[Allison]

It'll get worse. It'll get worse.

[Brooke]

Wait, there's more.

[Allison]

No, there's more.

[Brooke]

Oh, I like that you can find the humor in this though. I appreciate that.

[Allison]

It's a little bit terrifying, actually. But his next text. This is the last one I got. So I kissed her at the end of the night, but was thinking of you the whole time. Smiley face, winky face, hurt heart.

[Brooke]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Jeffrey]

That's like mean.

[Brooke]

And this is over like a what, three hour time span that he's sending you these?

[Allison]

Well, it was like a whole day from the beginning of.

[Brooke]

Oh my God. How did you not respond or block it?

[Allison]

Well, honestly, after the first one, I was at work. It was like there wasn't even enough time between the texts for me to answer him. And then it just went off the rails.

[Jeffrey]

Did he make up that date?

[Alexis]

Yeah, he had to.

[Jeffrey]

Is that a real thing?

[Brooke]

I mean, what was he doing, like literally texting at the same time time he's kissing someone after?

[Jeffrey]

I'm very curious and I just want to ask him directly because I need to tell you, Tanita, that Matt's on the other line right now listening to this.

[Matt]

Oh, gosh.

[Brooke]

Yeah, with another girl.

It doesn't help.

[Geico Gecko]

Matt.

[Corey]

Hey. Yeah, I.

[Matt]

Man, I thought I was embarrassed before.

[Jeffrey]

Matt, fill us in, buddy. What's going on?

[Brooke]

Fill her in.

[Matt]

I mean, what do you want me to say? I told you guys I sent some embarrassing texts already.

[Brooke]

You said you, like, like four. Not a whole day's worth not. I just made out my date. Yeah, here's.

[Corey]

I don't remember giving a number.

[Allison]

I mean, on a date.

[Corey]

What?

[Jeffrey]

Were you on a date with another woman for real? Or was that all just like made up as a joke?

[Matt]

I really don't want to have to say, dude.

[Brooke]

Well, then it's not funny at all.

I thought that you were like, haha guy.

[Corey]

No, look, look.

[Matt]

Okay, here's it.

[Allison]

I.

[Matt]

So I went on another date.

[Allison]

Okay.

[Matt]

Yes. Oh my God, Tanita, I thought about

[Allison]

you the whole time.

[Brooke]

It doesn't matter.

You learned nothing in the last two

minutes to be like, honey, I cheated on you, but I was thinking about you the whole time.

[Allison]

So creepy.

[Brooke]

Sorry.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, Tanita, does it change your mind a little bit that he actually followed through and went out with a real girl? It's like, kind of sweet and truthful in that way. It'd be kind of deranged if he made that whole thing up.

[Allison]

Yeah, if he made it up, I would have gone out with him again because that was like, I totally would have because he's really, really trying hard and maybe making the joke. But no, this is like a hard pass. Hard pass.

[Brooke]

Oh my God. We haven't even gotten to that part yet.

[Allison]

Okay.

[Matt]

Hey, can I change my answer? I made the whole thing up.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's, let's rewind the tape and delete.

[Brooke]

I feel like this is the first time ever. It's like normally people want what they can't have and. Yeah, Tanita just doesn't want it.

Just doesn't want it.

[Jeffrey]

We don't know that for sure yet.

[Brooke]

I think that's pretty clear. But go ahead. I mean, it's part of the.

[Jeffrey]

I just think before I ask Tanita, obviously he's very embarrassed by what happened, but he knows he made a mistake. And sometimes when you really, really are into someone, you do really, really dumb stuff because you're afraid of losing.

[Brooke]

Like, make out with other women. I mean, that happens while doing it. Huh.

[Jeffrey]

Plus, Matt, you're not still seeing that girl, right?

[Matt]

No, no.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, good answer. Okay.

[Brooke]

I think he was just about to say, here, let's stop having you talk

[Jeffrey]

and start asking Tanita if you'd like to go out with Matt one more time and we'd pay for it.

[Allison]

You know, he was so good at Connect4 and so good at. Sorry. He wins all the games, so he's really good at playing games. I'm going to say no.

[Jeffrey]

Like, got my hopes up for a second.

[Brooke]

He's good at the dating.

Like, what are you doing?

[Jeffrey]

All right, Matt, dude, there's your answer. Yeah, we. We can't get you another date, buddy.

[Matt]

Yeah, I thought of something to say, but I almost feel like it's worse than the other stuff.

[Brooke]

I. I don't think that the hole can't get deeper at this point. Matt, go ahead.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Matt]

Kenita, I. I just wish you would quit playing games with my heart.

[Brooke]

No.

Oh my God.

Hang up.

[Alexis]

Okay.

[Matt]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

Yeah, that's exactly what he should have said, even if it was a lie.

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

Was it the person other person he was out with?

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No, it turns out it was from Matt himself. He said, hey, this is Matt. I'm listening to myself on the radio and I think she should reconsider. It's not as bad as it sounds.

[Brooke]

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