Second Date Update Classics: High Flyer Liar + The Bartender and the Biker

Summary

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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update Classics

Episode Title: High Flyer Liar + The Bartender and the Biker
Date: August 16, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This double-feature “Second Date Update” episode dives into two classic, uniquely entertaining cases of romantic misadventure. In the first segment, "High Flyer Liar," Anthony seeks the truth after being ghosted by Lisa, whose glamorous persona and surprising secret put a twist on modern dating. The second segment, "The Bartender and the Biker," spotlights Zach, a new mobile bartender who falls for a cycling instructor at an event—and learns that sometimes, enthusiasm isn’t enough to land the date.

Each update pulls back the curtain on dating app facades, perceived slights, and cringe-y missteps, offering laughs and unexpected wisdom for listeners navigating today’s romantic landscape.

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Segment 1: High Flyer Liar

Starts: 03:55

Main Discussion Points

• Anthony Returns After Heartbreak
  • Anthony returns to the show post-breakup with Mallory, who he admits left him once he stopped paying for her and her friends’ activities.
    "So with Mallory, I ran out of money." – Anthony (06:02)
• The "High Flyer" Date
  • Anthony meets Lisa, an enigmatic woman he meets through a dating app, distinguished as "High Flyer of the Week."
  • Lisa claims to work private security for celebrities, adding intrigue to her persona.
  • Anthony shares he felt a good connection on their date, noting Lisa’s casual style and charity work.
    "She showed up in Gucci sweats, a Tupac hoodie…" – Anthony (08:29)
• Anthony’s Concerns
  • Lisa’s phone vibrates constantly during their date, making Anthony suspect she is highly sought after on the app.
    "Her phone keeps buzzing the whole time we're together, and… she’s definitely talking to more guys than just me." – Anthony (09:33)
• Reaching Out to Lisa
  • Anthony reveals Lisa has been distant, prompting the call from Brooke & Jeffrey to uncover her side.

Key Quotes & Revelations

• Lisa’s Unexpected Admission (15:01)
  • "Yeah, I just made that up to sound…" – Lisa, confessing that her claim about being a celebrity security detail was a fabrication.
• The Big Twist: Lisa Is the App Owner (15:21)
  • Lisa admits she’s actually a co-owner of the dating platform, not a security professional. Her “High Flyer” badge is part of their marketing feature—she volunteered as the public face.
  • "So I am actually part owner of the dating site…" – Lisa (15:21)
• The Real Reason For Ghosting
  • Using admin access, Lisa had noticed Anthony messaging multiple women despite his claim to be exclusive.
    "As an admin, I can tell that he’s been messaging other women… On the date, he told me… it was just him and I talking." – Lisa (16:34)
• Privacy & Transparency
  • Anthony is taken aback by her ability to view his messages and photos; Lisa insists it’s in the platform’s terms.
    "You can like… see all the messages?" — Anthony (17:54)
    "Yes, I can." – Lisa (18:00)

Notable Moments

• Brooke & Jeffrey’s Reaction
  • Jeffrey and Brooke express surprise at Lisa’s transparency and the ethical questions it raises.
  • Anthony, unfazed, emphasizes his interest in Lisa above all others—even offering to block other matches live on-air.

Resolution (20:02)

Ultimately, Lisa forgives Anthony’s little white lie, and both agree to start fresh with an official second date (on the show’s dime)—even as Lisa jokes about still juggling other suitors: "If I'm being honest, I am still talking to other guys. 14’s on the low side for me." – Lisa (20:21)

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Segment 2: The Bartender and the Biker

Starts: 24:55

Main Discussion Points

• Zach’s New Lease on Life
  • Formerly stuck in a dead-end, low-paying job, Zach transitions (thanks to a random bartender’s advice) to running his own mobile bartending business.
  • "You should just quit and start what I'm doing… I could triple my old income." – Bartender paraphrased by Zach (26:22)
• Meeting Bethany at a Party
  • At a combined bachelor/bachelorette party, Zach is smitten by Bethany, a bubbly cycling instructor who helps him out when things get busy at the bar.
• Missed Connections
  • While Zach is proud and chatty about his business success, Bethany later reveals he didn’t show much interest in her own life or ask about her.
  • Bethany also recounts her awkwardness after Zach Venmoed her $20 as a "tip" for helping restock Diet Coke at the party: "He put, here's a tip for the bartender… It just felt really weird and kind of like, you know, creepy old men…" – Bethany (36:29)
• Attempted Second Date
  • Bethany admits she found Zach's focus on himself and misunderstanding of boundaries off-putting. Despite his (and the hosts') efforts to salvage the connection, she sticks to her gut and declines a future date.

Key Quotes & Insights

• On Not Listening
  • "Did you ask her one question that you can remember?” – Jeffrey (38:12)
  • "No, I guess not." – Zach (38:17)
• On Modern "Tips"
  • "It just felt really weird and kind of like, you know, when creepy old men… they like slip you, like, you know, something." – Bethany (36:53)

Notable Moments

• Brooke’s Sympathy for Zach
  • Brooke jokes that if Zach were in-studio, she’d be filling up his “tip jar”—and that his new job ensures plenty of new romantic options, even after this failed attempt.
• Comedic Interludes
  • Jeffrey and Brooke riff on the ironies of dating (a bartender who can’t ride a bike trying for a cycling instructor) and the pitfalls of oblivious self-promotion.

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Quotes

• On Modern Dating Lies
  "People lie on dates… it's not so much if you lie, it's what you lie about…" – Brooke (23:12)
• When Two Wrongs Make a Right
  "That's how lies work... Two lies make a right." – Jeffrey (23:59)
• On Moving Forward
  "Sounds like he means well but it's not coming out… Zach, what have you learned from this call?" – Brooke (39:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Anthony’s Situation Recap: 05:30–06:33
• Lisa’s "High Flyer" Persona: 07:06–08:29
• The Big Reveal – Lisa as App Owner: 15:01–15:56
• Lisa Admits Reading Anthony's Messages: 16:34–18:00
• Resolution & Second Date Agreement: 20:02
• Zach Describes His New Bartender Life: 25:43–27:31
• Bethany Recaps Their First Meeting: 28:07–28:58
• Zach's $20 “Tip” Controversy: 36:21–36:44
• Bethany's Explanation for Ghosting: 35:31–36:53
• Final Rejection: 40:20
• Hosts’ Reflections on Dating Lies: 23:12–24:01

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Takeaways & Tone

• The episode is classic Brooke & Jeffrey: high-energy, self-deprecating, and punchy, but ultimately empathetic. The hosts use real-life dating absurdities as lighthearted lessons about honesty, boundaries, and paying attention to your date.
• Both segments land on the reality that little white lies and big secrets are par for online dating—but transparency, humility, and actual curiosity remain rare (and valued) currencies.

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For more laugh-out-loud updates and to hear more crazy dating stories, listen to "Brooke and Jeffrey" on your favorite podcast platform.

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[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

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[Brooke]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

Which is we are not doctors, but definitely listen to and call us on Monday.

[Jeffrey]

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[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

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[Jeffrey]

Alexis just volunteered. All right, your double dose of second date classics starts right now.

[Brooke]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like whenever I'm out in the world, it's a huge conversation changer. The moment I tell someone I actually host a radio show. You guys get that too?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. People are always really interested in what that looks like.

[Brooke]

It's a cool job. Everyone to me is like, whoa, really? You don't seem good at talking in real life.

[Jeffrey]

Your co workers say that too.

[Brooke]

Well, that all might be true. I'm just saying our jobs are definite attention grabbers when we bring them up. But it's nothing compared to the woman that we call today. Because when we found out what she does for a living, everyone in the room stopped and wanted to know every single detail. You're going to understand why when you hear it in your second date update right after this second date update. Occasionally, we check back in with callers months after they come on the show to see how their Relationship is going.

[Jeffrey]

I love when we do that.

[Brooke]

Yes. We call it a second date update, update. Yeah, but today we're doing something kind of new. We have a second date update, update, update. Okay, wait a minute. That's right. A triple update.

[Jeffrey]

I feel like now we're getting clingy. You know what I mean? Like, can't we just let people live their lives at some point, Jeff, it's.

[Brooke]

Like second update square. No, we want to be as deeply involved in our listeners lives as possible. We even live with them.

[Jeffrey]

Too involved.

[Brooke]

We're doing a truck date today. I've been involved in a few of those. Different meaning, though. But seriously, one of our listeners, Anthony, reached out to us again. So first of all, Anthony, welcome back to the show.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Hey, guys, thanks for having me.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I'm having a hard time placing. What? Anthony, What? You were on before.

[Brooke]

So last time Anthony was on, you were dating a woman named Mallory, and you guys were saying that you were happy together, but she was having you pay for a lot of her and her friends activities.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, I kind of remember this. And we're like, oh, she's using you. And then you're like, no, she's hot.

[Brooke]

You're like, I don't mind.

[Jeffrey]

Is that. Am I remembering right?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

That's pretty close.

[Brooke]

No, Mallory, it's just you today, Anthony, what's going on?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

So with Mallory, I ran out of money.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wait, you're broke?

[Brooke]

What? Just go get a bank loan, man.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, did she leave you?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Well, yeah, she basically dropped me after I stopped paying for everything for her and her friends, so.

[Brooke]

Alexis. Good, right? Good for her.

[Jeffrey]

And I see where she's coming from.

[Brooke]

Alexis, like, you go, girl. That sucks, man. But it sounds like you're better off.

[Jeffrey]

Without that, which I think we told you, so.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I think so.

[Brooke]

Okay, so is that it?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Well.

[Brooke]

Okay, bye.

[Jeffrey]

Guessing you went on a date with another person that you're interested in.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yes, that has been happening.

[Brooke]

Who's the new girl?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I found a new woman named Lisa.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, and what do you like about her?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Well, the first thing that stands out to me about her I find fascinating is that she does private security detail for Celebrity.

[Jeffrey]

Whoa.

[Brooke]

That's such an interesting one of your employees. Yeah, amazing.

[Jeffrey]

Let's get her on the phone.

[Brooke]

Was that. Was that like right there on her dating profile?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

No, that's just something that came out after. But she won't tell me who these clients are, and that's what I'm always trying to get out of her. Okay.

[Brooke]

She's good at her job. At least.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

The privacy.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. So have you guys been on one date? Two dates. Where are you at?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

We just got out once. Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

I mean, how did it go?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

It went pretty well. I mean, another thing that I thought was pretty funny is one thing I did see on her profile is there's, like, an ad that comes up on people's profiles that says, today's high flyer of the week. Like, when they're getting a lot of action, I guess, on or app or something.

[Jeffrey]

Flyer. That's what they call it. App. That's funny.

[Brooke]

Is that a good thing for you or a red flag?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Jury's out on that. But, I mean, I call it. I was calling her the high flyer as a joke.

[Jeffrey]

So is that something that she puts on her profile, or is it something that the app does automatically? Sorry, I'm an idiot when it comes to apps.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I think the app does it if you're really popular on the app.

[Brooke]

That's another interesting talking point, though, to bring up on the date. Like, how did it go?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

It was good. At first, I couldn't tell if she was, like, gonna be a real person or not, but she was exactly how she described herself.

[Jeffrey]

So she's real pretty is what you're saying?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's pretty casual. She showed up in Gucci sweats, a Tupac hoodie.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

She doesn't have a sense of style.

[Jeffrey]

She couldn't do a matching set. I think it's kind of cute.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

No, but I thought it was pretty cool. And we did have fun. She talks a lot about this charity work she does, so she's really big on giving back to the community, and I was able to relate because I was just involved with the charity with my ex girlfriend and her friends, so.

[Brooke]

Ooh, I hope you didn't say that.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Is that how you brought it up?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

No, no. I made that joke and failed to go into further detail about it with her book.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

So you kind of ended up being the chairman.

[Jeffrey]

We didn't even ask. What were you guys doing? Were you drinking, eating? What was the date about?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, we got a couple drinks. We went to happy hour.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. So it's chill. So that's why she could wear the sweatshirt and the sweatpants. Happy hour. I see you budgeting.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

That was her idea. I think she wanted to meet me in the daylight.

[Brooke]

Did you feel like you had a good connection with her, though?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I did, but, yeah, I could definitely tell why she is the high flyer because her phone keeps buzzing the whole time we're together. And I have a suspicion that she's definitely talking to more guys than just me.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, probably.

[Brooke]

I mean, Jose, if you were out on a date with someone who was a high flyer, is that a red flag to you? No, I would just be happy that.

[Jeffrey]

I'm on a date.

[Brooke]

You're buying a ticket onto that plane.

[Jeffrey]

Maybe she wants to take step off the fast plane, move on to the slow plane with him.

[Brooke]

Oh, and I'm definitely on the slow plane.

[Jeffrey]

Slow flyers.

[Brooke]

Overall, though, how do you think the first date went? Good? Bad?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I think it went good.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I was hoping that we're gonna go on another date, but her responses are a little spotty.

[Brooke]

I don't know, and I don't know if you did this or not, but did you ever point out, hey, your phone is buzzing a lot. Are you getting a lot of dudes trying to hit you up right now?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, like, come across as weirdly jealous.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I didn't think that would be a good style on my part.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. So that's positive.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I played it cool. I played it cool. It was just slightly eating me up inside.

[Brooke]

Okay, you seem to have answers. Let's find out what Lisa has to say for herself. We're gonna call the high flyer directly.

[Jeffrey]

Maybe she charted it as well.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Maybe.

[Brooke]

I hope she answers. We'll read off what's on her chart when we do your second date update. Right after this second date update, imagine being out with someone you're very interested in and finding out that they do security detail for the rich and famous.

[Jeffrey]

Cool.

[Brooke]

But they won't tell you who. And not only that, they're a verified high flyer on the dating app where.

[Jeffrey]

You met them, which means that they get a lot of action.

[Brooke]

Yeah, they're like, on the front page.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Or someone just paid to feature them or something.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that's what I'm assuming.

[Brooke]

And they wear Gucci sweats with Tupac hoodies to first dates. Like it's no big deal.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I mean, they're cool.

[Brooke]

For me personally, this is a very interesting second date call because like Jose said before, I really hope that she actually answers us because we don't get to talk to people like this very often.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. We cannot be the one that also, like, prize into who the celebrities are she works for. I know, but we all here just ask one. I know, I know. He already did on the date she didn't want to answer.

[Brooke]

What if she's, like, standing next to Kim Kardashian right now? It's like, I can't Talk. I mean, we. We do want a lot of answers from her, but the main thing we want to know is why she's not going out with Anthony. That's true. Because this is a very unique type of woman. And Anthony best part is she hasn't made you pay for anything yet either. But you are willing to. Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Wait.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Oh, yeah, wait.

[Jeffrey]

You paid for the date though, right? Anthony, you paid for happy hour?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I paid for the date at the bar, but it wasn't like with Mallory. I wasn't paying for her parking and.

[Jeffrey]

Right. You know, the last girl that you were on this show with.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Okay, exactly.

[Brooke]

But you'll pay for her parking on the second date at least. Let's. Let's call her and try and figure out where that's going to be and if she'll go out with you. Here we go.

[Jeffrey]

Hello?

[Brooke]

Hey, is this Lisa?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yes, it is.

[Brooke]

Hey, Lisa, what's up? You're on the radio right now with Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Jeffrey]

Welcome to the show, Lisa.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Oh, hi. I guess.

[Jeffrey]

Can you protect us on the phone.

[Brooke]

If you haven't heard us before? We're low key, Bougie. The lowest key. I feel like Jeff just learned those words. Sounded pretty good, right?

[Jeffrey]

He's wearing a free show shirt. Yeah, he is. Yeah.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Okay, what is this all about? I don't get it.

[Brooke]

Well, we're one of those weird shows that helps listeners with their dating lives. When they go out with someone and they're not getting a return call back, we reach out and try and help figure out the reason why.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Okay, I know.

[Brooke]

Pretty pathetic on our part, but people will get paid to do it.

[Jeffrey]

Thanks, Jeff. I kind of like this segment, but.

[Brooke]

I like it too. My parents are really ashamed of it, so. But that's not. It's not about us. We're trying to ask about you and your relationship with a guy named Anthony.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Oh, okay.

[Jeffrey]

You guys went to happy hour?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah, we did.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Pretty great guy, huh?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I mean, yeah, he's a nice guy, good looking.

[Jeffrey]

What was your, like, thoughts on the date?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I mean, it was really chill. We just had a couple drinks at happy hour and it was just a date.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, okay. Nothing to write home about.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Okay.

[Brooke]

I mean, was there any, like, big red flags to you for why you're not going out with him again? Because he said he's been trying to organize a second meetup and it's not quite happening.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I mean, no, there weren't any red flags when we were sitting there talking. I mean, he was very interesting. He was Interested in me, Asked me a lot of questions.

[Brooke]

Can I offer something up that he told us? Because he said he was worried he may have offended you by prying too much into your job because he found out you help organize security for big time celebrities.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

My gosh. Yeah, I just made that up to sound.

[Brooke]

Wait, what?

[Jeffrey]

What do you mean he made it up?

[Brooke]

Oh, man, I was interested. Even we were prepared with all these questions to try and get you to reveal who you do security for.

[Jeffrey]

And usually when somebody lies on a date, there's like shame and stuff. You're laughing.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Is it like just a joke to you?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Well, I couldn't tell him what my real job is.

[Jeffrey]

Why?

[Brooke]

Can you tell us your real job?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I guess at this point, if I'm not going to see him again, sure. I'll tell you what my real job is.

[Brooke]

What do you do?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

So I am actually part owner of the dating site.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, what?

[Brooke]

The one where you met Anthony?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah. Some friends had the idea and we were just talking about stuff and it's just an idea. Well, they moved forward and they asked if I wanted to be an early investor. And so I was like, sure, let's do it. And it just kind of blew up.

[Jeffrey]

So when it says. When it says high flyer on your dating app, that just means like CEO or something or you just get free modeling?

[Brooke]

Pretty much.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I mean, we were looking for trying to like do a feature like on the app, and I just said, I'll do it. I'm single, I don't care about the attention, whatever.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Wow.

[Jeffrey]

Market research. Apparently it makes an impact.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Brooke]

Okay, so wait, hold on.

[Jeffrey]

So wait, why didn't you just tell them that you were the app owner?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Well, to be honest, I go on a lot of dates and I mean, eventually I would tell people what the deal is, but also it would be a little creepy, I would think, in the beginning.

[Jeffrey]

Right? Yeah.

[Brooke]

We're trying to help him figure out what's the reason that you're not going out again. That's what he's confused about.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Okay, okay.

[Brooke]

Is it so many men? Just so many men. You can't choose one.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

No, that is not the reason. So as an admin, I can tell that he's been messaging other women. And when we were on a date and talking, he told me in conversation that it was just him and I talking.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

You can like.

[Jeffrey]

Feels like invasion of privacy.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Listen, when you check off on the agreement, I mean, it says any co, founder or manager can monitor your account in your activities. So I am. Well within my right to do that.

[Brooke]

That's crazy.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

And it just proves that men are pigs.

[Jeffrey]

Oh.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Oh.

[Jeffrey]

I think he's weirder that he's. Yeah. What?

[Brooke]

Anthony, what do you think about hearing all that?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Wow. Hi, Lisa.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you, Lisa, it's down way, way deep in our agreement. When you come on the phone that I'm listening, okay? Oh, wow, you're super chill.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I. I'm a little shocked, but I totally understand, like, that you couldn't that why you had to put that in your profile.

[Jeffrey]

Anthony, this feels like the last time you were on the show. Like, you just agree with women no matter what they do to you. This woman's been lying. She, like, invaded your privacy, and you're just chill still.

[Brooke]

Stand up for yourself, brother.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

So wait a second. You could actually go into my app and see all the messages, like, everything that I've ever written on there?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yes, I can.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Oh.

[Jeffrey]

I know. Anthony's thinking of, like, three things. He said that he.

[Brooke]

Hope you keep a PG on there, buddy. That's how you know she cares.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

You can't see pictures, right?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yes, I can.

[Brooke]

Hopefully you can zoom in on them too.

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I don't know if you'll have to zoom in.

[Brooke]

Hey, attaboy.

[Jeffrey]

This is going doubt that, Anthony. I doubt that.

[Brooke]

Let's go down a bad path.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Okay?

[Jeffrey]

Lisa, does that mean that you weren't talking to anybody else either?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Because, I mean, yeah, I'm talking to some people, but I was honest about that. On the date, he implied that I was the only person he was talking to.

[Brooke]

Okay, but you wouldn't have cared if.

[Jeffrey]

You had said, I see that. Why? Why did you say that? Anthony, you.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Well, you're the only person that I've met on the app that I actually like and respect.

[Jeffrey]

You don't respect the other women you're talking about? What? Not good.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I mean, that came out wrong. Maybe, but you're the only one I really found interest in, and I haven't met anybody like you, whether it was on the app or not.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Well, I have your profile pulled up right now, and it looks like that you're trying to set up something with somebody named Clarissa.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Oh, that's creepy.

[Jeffrey]

But he doesn't respect her.

[Brooke]

Lisa, you sound a little bit jealous of that even.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I don't know about jealous, but look, I would have been totally fine if he had said, yeah, I'm talking to other people, too. I get it. It's not a big deal.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I'm blocking Clarissa right now.

[Brooke]

Wow.

[Jeffrey]

It just Sounds like you need to be truthful about everything. There's another app.

[Brooke]

Definitely. Something is happening here for sure.

[Jeffrey]

And it feels good.

[Brooke]

It does feel. And I'd like to offer to send you guys out on another date that we will pay for once.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Once again, can I just reiterate that I'm serious? You are the only one I've taken serious that I've met on there, and I'm really hoping that you're going to say yes.

[Jeffrey]

That's cute.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

That's very sweet, Anthony. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, I'm a yes. I would say yes. Fresh slate. Start from the beginning. Now that everything's on the table, we start over.

[Brooke]

Okay. And we also have 14 other guys who want to know if you'll go out with them from the dating app. What would you like to say to them?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Well, I mean, if I'm being honest, I am still talking to other guys. 14's on the low side for me.

[Brooke]

But how many of those guys do you respect? All right, well, more research. With the second day on our bill, we're gonna pay for it.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Okay, sounds good.

[Brooke]

Before you go, can you force matches? Because there's a couple girls that aren't responding to me that I'm wondering if.

[Jeffrey]

You can help me out a little.

[Brooke]

Bit on the other end.

[Jeffrey]

That's creepy.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

That's a hard no.

[Jeffrey]

Thank you. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

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[Brooke]

You know, the thing that I'm coming to terms with what's up is we just have to get it through our heads that people lie on dates. Yes, it can be small little white lies or big giant ones, but people do it all the time, Whether it's to make themselves look better or for whatever reason.

[Jeffrey]

And we don't all have the access to fact check them like she did.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

I mean, and it's not so much if you lie, it's what you lie about that's really important. She lied about what her job was out of boredom from all the dates that she goes on. He lied saying that she was the only girl that he was talking to on the dating, apparently, and she found out that was untrue.

[Jeffrey]

Why would he even offer it up? I don't know. You know, like, just don't.

[Brooke]

It sounds like one of those nice lies that you tell someone that they're the only one that you like.

[Jeffrey]

Or it's like, I never do this when you know that that person always does it.

[Brooke]

Yeah. You're really good at it.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

I do feel like society has really progressed because they were both totally okay with each other's lies in the end.

[Jeffrey]

Well, they canceled each other out. Yeah.

[Brooke]

That's how lies work.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. Two lies make a right.

[Brooke]

Yes. No matter. No lie. You can always email the show for help. We're willing to call that person who isn't calling you back.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke and Jeffrey, in the morning, when.

[Brooke]

You need some quality life advice, who do you turn to? Your friends?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Your parents sometimes.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Local morning radio show.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, well, I hope so. We're flattered.

[Brooke]

I don't know if that's a good idea. One of our listeners says he got some unsolicited life advice from a bartender one night, which he wasn't really sure about, but when he actually tried it, not Only did this advice instantly triple his income. It also may have helped him meet the love of his life.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, my God.

[Brooke]

You're gonna hear what a total stranger convinced him to do to change his fortunes in your second date update. Next second date update. This is gonna be extremely helpful for our listeners.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Listeners.

[Brooke]

Because not only are we gonna hear a new second date update, but this is a situation with a potential new job opportunity where our listeners can leave their sucky workplaces and start making triple their normal salaries. Hey, is this streaming too? Because I already discovered that.

[Jeffrey]

Are you making triple? Yeah.

[Brooke]

Oh, I'm making a lot of money. It's not playing video games with kids online. No. Our listener says he did this and ended up actually meeting someone that way. His name is Zach. And, Zach, your email said your life has changed dramatically in the last 12 months. Why?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Big time. I. I met this girl due to my new job because I went from.

[Jeffrey]

I like how your voice gets deep when you say it. Sorry.

[Brooke]

Sounds like you like it.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. What's your new job?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Well, the old job sucked. I was. I was only making like 40k there. It was dead end. Wasn't going to get any better. I hated it. Anyway, the company I worked for had an event for all the employees.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

And I went to it, and they had an open bar there.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. And you're talking about the sucky company that wasn't paying you anything.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I know it sounds good right now with an open bar, but, yeah, it gets pretty bad.

[Brooke]

Wait a minute.

[Jeffrey]

Open bar equals out? Yeah.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

This is like, I'll take payment in white cloth.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Ended up tossing back a few. And during that, I bonded and became friends with the guy that was bartending.

[Jeffrey]

All right?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I was telling him about the job I was doing and my situation and how bad it was, and he tells me. He goes, man, you should just quit and start what I'm doing. And what he was doing, he was a mobile bartender.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God. I have a buddy who just started a company like this.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, isn't that just like catering? Like, I don't. What's the difference?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

It's kind of more like a food truck that serves drinks.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, you make it weddings where people have little stands that come.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah. So he tells me that I could triple my old income. And he goes. And so he starts filling me in. He goes, you only work a few hours a day. You can make your own schedule.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, it sounds too good to be true. Do you have experience bartending?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I don't. Not really. I do now.

[Brooke]

Oh, now you Do.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Okay. Right.

[Jeffrey]

And that's what you're doing now?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing now.

[Brooke]

How's it going?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

It's going really good. I mean, you get hired to do this stuff and you go to a lot of different places.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, are you just calling for a second date because you want to promote your company?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Jeffrey]

It would be too fast.

[Brooke]

So this is how you met the woman that we're going to call here?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah. Yeah. Her name is Bethany. And I got hired to do a backyard party that was a bachelor bachelorette party. I guess they just wanted to do it all together, so they did it all together.

[Brooke]

Brooke did the same thing because she's cheap like that. So they mixed them into one event.

[Jeffrey]

No, it's fun. Like, all the wedding party gets to know each other. Like, the girls know the guys. And it makes it more, like, fun at the wedding, too.

[Brooke]

You can choose another guy you want to leave to go if you want to. I get it. So how did you meet Bethany there?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

So she ends up being a guest at that party.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

And the more she came up, which was only a few times, but we started having good conversations, started talking. She was super fun. She was real bubbly and outgoing.

[Jeffrey]

That's cool.

[Brooke]

Don't you love that?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

By her seventh margarita, I would expect her to be fun, so.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, you probably meet so many different people now, like. But she really stood out to you.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, she did. And, you know, she's in great shape. She tells me that she's a cycling instructor. Oh.

[Jeffrey]

Tight buns.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Okay. But while we were talking, she had asked me what I do, and I told her, well, you're looking at it. This is it. This is my business now.

[Brooke]

Cool. Was she impressed?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I don't know. I don't know. It seemed like she was okay with it, but she goes, oh, okay. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Well, I will say there's a stigma that comes along with bartenders, though.

[Brooke]

Too much fun.

[Jeffrey]

Too much fun. I think it's more like too much fun without you.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Is the problem.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

And when they are free is terrible times. Yeah.

[Brooke]

And now he's also the bartending business owner.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it's like a little extra. Hey, Monday at noon, do you want to go on a date? Because that's the only time I have available.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Right. And I guess bartenders are normally struggling for money, so maybe she thought that was a different tax break.

[Jeffrey]

That's actually not part of the stigma.

[Brooke]

Yeah. It's more of what you do in your Free time socially.

[Jeffrey]

There it is.

[Brooke]

So.

[Jeffrey]

Or on work hours.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

But.

[Brooke]

It sounds like you and Bethany had a stronger connection than that.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah. And she gave me her number.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

And she came up a few more times.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

But I've been trying to get a hold of her, but trying to text her, and she's kind of ghosting me. I had anything back at all.

[Jeffrey]

So you guys haven't gone out on a date yet?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

We have not gone out on a date.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, dang.

[Brooke]

I mean, looking back on the event that you work, was there any awkward moments between you two?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

The only one I can think of which isn't all that bad is she's, you know, naturally, as she started coming up to the bar, she was getting a little tipsy towards the end of the night. Hopefully she wasn't embarrassed by me actually suggesting that she pull her dress up a little bit because, well, things were starting to fall out of the top.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, the top.

[Brooke]

We don't condone.

[Jeffrey]

He's trying to help her out. We should tell that story different next time.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I wasn't telling her this shirt or anything.

[Brooke]

Cause Alexis has done that five different times, and it's never worked out. Well, my skirt's above my neck. I don't get it. All right, so you said you've been in contact with her, but nothing has come of it.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Nothing.

[Jeffrey]

And do you promise us that you didn't ask for anyone else's number at that party? Well, they're all friends.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Not only did I not ask for anyone else's number that day, I've been doing this for over a year and have never asked anybody for their number.

[Brooke]

We've met the one upstanding bartender in the entire world because he hasn't done.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

It for a year.

[Jeffrey]

He's a rookie.

[Brooke]

Given another year, you'll be a different man. But in the meantime, selling drugs out of the truck. Let's call Bethany for you. We're gonna come back and try and get you your second date update.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Date.

[Brooke]

Right after this second date update. T. Pain once said, I love the bartender.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Ooh.

[Brooke]

If you're looking for me. But our bartender is not getting any love. See, that's what he does for a living. He left his old job a year ago and started a mobile business serving drinks at different events, where he ended up meeting a lady named Bethany at a backyard joint bachelor bachelorette party.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, my God. And it's the only woman in an entire year that he's ever asked for her number.

[Brooke]

That's the type of impact that she had on him. They opened up to each other there. Shared about their lives and their interests. Even after she gave him her number, though, she is not responding to him. And they haven't done an official first date. She's the opposite of t pain. She's not in love with the bartender. Yeah, but we want her to. We want her to get there. So. I mean, honestly, Zach, you're lucky that you're on the phone right now because if you were in studio, Brooke would be filling up your tip jar with so much cash.

[Jeffrey]

That's right.

[Brooke]

And other things.

[Jeffrey]

Trying like a big pore.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, okay.

[Brooke]

Just buy her own drink.

[Jeffrey]

That's not a euphemism or anything. I. I just like a lot of alcohol in my cup.

[Brooke]

It is a euphemism.

[Jeffrey]

You know, it's true.

[Brooke]

Brooke is a problem at every event that she goes to. In a good way. But she's actually going to be on your side today.

[Jeffrey]

I am. I am. And you know, you said that the only like maybe kind of embarrassing moment was at the end when you told her to pull her top up because she was kind of losing things.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, right.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know. I mean, as a drunk woman that the tops are always falling off, but. Did he say top or dress? You know, there's different.

[Brooke]

Like hope she understood when you.

[Jeffrey]

That's what I'm trying to say. You misunderstood. I see. I see.

[Brooke]

Well, maybe she was pulling it down for you.

[Jeffrey]

That's a. That's a Brooke move.

[Brooke]

That is definitely classic Brooke. Cuz she'd be like, hello, I showed up with cleavage. You told me to put it away.

[Jeffrey]

Excuse me, sir. The left one's out for a reason.

[Brooke]

At you, sir. Anyway. I mean, we could speculate all we want. We actually have to call Bethany here and figure out what's going on. Let's do it. I'm going to call her.

[Jeffrey]

Sorry, I'm just imagining just having one boob out. Funny to me.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Here we go.

[Brooke]

Calling Bethany.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Hello.

[Brooke]

Hey, we're looking to talk to Bethany.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah, I'm Bethany.

[Jeffrey]

Hi, Bethany.

[Brooke]

Hey, Bethany. Sorry to interrupt your day, but we're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Welcome to the show.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Hi.

[Brooke]

We want you to be a part of this segment we're doing called a second date update because we're trying to help out one of our listeners, get in touch with you.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, you guys never really went on a date, but yeah, you made a connection.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

You don't have to be nervous. We don't bite.

[Jeffrey]

Sorry.

[Brooke]

You sound like, you just got cornered. Sorry.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

A lot of voices.

[Brooke]

Yeah, we just. We just want to ask you about a guy that you met recently at, like, a bachelor bachelorette event. He was the bartender there named Zach.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

What do you think of Zach?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

You know, I. I thought he was really nice at first.

[Jeffrey]

At first. But then he was really sexy. Secondly, too sexy.

[Brooke]

Something changed.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah, he kept going, like, on and on and on about how he, like, quit his job and now he has this business and been doing so well, and. Yeah, there's so much more money.

[Brooke]

Yeah. We spoke to him a little bit before, and he. We heard that he's very proud of his new business because he started it all himself.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

And that's great. That's great to be proud.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Right.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

But he also didn't seem to want to know anything about what I was doing.

[Brooke]

That's not good.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that's too bad.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

It was very uncomfortable.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

And then.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

And then at one point, like, things got busy, you know, Like, a lot of people were drinking, and he had, like, ran out of Diet Coke, and so I helped him, and I went and grabbed some of the Diet Coke for him. So I was like, oh, I could do that.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

That's not a problem.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, so you were maybe still a little flirty with him at that point.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

It was just. Yeah, he was alone and, like, I've worked different service industry jobs, and so I know how it gets. And so I was like, yeah, let me just help you out. Like, it's a nice thing to do.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. Yeah, that's. That's awesome.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I thought so, too, but he'd already had my number at that point. He must have really appreciated me grabbing those Diet Cokes because he venmoed me $20.

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Brooke]

Oh, wait, what.

[Jeffrey]

What do you mean he venmoed you? 20 bucks?

[Brooke]

He paid you for what?

[Jeffrey]

What did he put in the comments of the Venmo?

[Brooke]

That's a good question.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

He put, here's a tip for the bartender. And I'm like, I was just being nice. It just felt really weird and kind of like, you know, like when, like, creepy old men and you, like, do something nice, and then they, like, slip you, like, you know something.

[Brooke]

Alexis, she's talking to you here.

[Jeffrey]

Creepy old men get me uncomfortable sometimes. Yeah. You're saying creepy old men started as creepy young then.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah. And I'm just like, is this the modern version of, like, an old man slipping you some cash?

[Brooke]

Yeah. Hey, sweetheart. Well, I mean, yeah, maybe slipping. Slipping money could be a little bit creepy, but this Is gonna be worse. There's nothing creepy about somebody quietly listening in on a phone conversation wanting to join.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Right.

[Jeffrey]

Sorry about that, cuz.

[Brooke]

Zach is on the other line wanting to talk to you.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Hello there.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Are you serious?

[Brooke]

Yeah. That's sad.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Hey, I apologize. I didn't mean to offend you with the tip there. I just didn't know what to do there and just. I thought. Well, you know, Let me. She helped me out. Let me.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

You're a normal person. You.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay. Listen to her, Zach. Now remember, that was part of the problem.

[Brooke]

Go ahead, Bethany, tell them how you were feeling.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

You know, like just. It felt like. Like you were.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I know how you felt. I heard the conversation. I get it.

[Brooke]

Well, ok. But it might be worth hearing her out.

[Jeffrey]

Sounds like, huh?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Yeah. See, this is.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I just appreciate the fact. I'm sorry it went weird.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

So this is going really well.

[Brooke]

Zach, I know that you're a bartender and a good lesson for bartenders is to listen to the customers because they'll actually stick around longer.

[Jeffrey]

Listen to just people. Right? Like. Yeah, like. Did you ask her one question that you can remember?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

No, I guess not.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, at least he has a good memory. He knows. Would you like to ask her anything about herself?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah. I know what you normally drink. Is there a second favorite that you have?

[Brooke]

All right. Well, that's something.

[Jeffrey]

Is it something, Jeff?

[Brooke]

At least it's a question about her.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

No, I didn't think sending her $20 would be that big a deal. I figured she. You know, she told me she was a cycling instructor. I didn't think she was getting rich on that.

[Brooke]

It's probably true though. Let's be honest.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

It depends on the studio. You can actually make pretty good money.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, Just like any business.

[Brooke]

Zach, maybe you should maybe leave your bartending job and get into cycling. If there's that much money in it.

[Jeffrey]

I saw a thing recently where they put a blender on the front of a bike and you could do both. Where you have to make your own margarita by pedaling really fast.

[Brooke]

You can drink it.

[Jeffrey]

That's so smart.

[Brooke]

That could be your niche.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I actually don't know how to ride a bike.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wait.

[Brooke]

What?

[Jeffrey]

It was. It was stationary.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

It's not a two wheeler. He still falls off.

[Jeffrey]

I bet that was a lot to hear. That was a lot to hear.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

It sounds like he means well, but it's not coming out. No. Maybe Zach has learned some lessons in the last few minutes. Zach, what have you learned from this call?

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

I learned that she never answered her question about her second favorite drink.

[Brooke]

Okay, okay.

[Jeffrey]

You're not gonna fix this guy. We.

[Brooke]

We always offer this because we kind of have to. But, Bethany, we would love to send you out on another. On a first date, actually, with Zach.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

Does he have to be there?

[Brooke]

Yeah, Zach does have to be there. And the good news is nobody has to pay through Venmo or anything. We're gonna cover the bill.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

Yeah, I'm up for anything, really, as long as we don't ride bikes anywhere.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Wouldn't that be ironic? A cycling instructor dating a guy who couldn't ride a bike.

[Brooke]

Bethany, you want to give him a shot?

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

You know, I think I should just stick to my gut from our first interaction, but I appreciate the offer.

[Brooke]

Oh, man.

[Jeffrey]

All right, well, you got your answer, Zach.

[Brooke]

Yeah, but if you tip us $40, we'll ask her.

[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

That's okay. I mean, I can see what's going on. I can read between the lines and see what's happening here.

[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

I feel like I was very straightforward.

[Jeffrey]

I think all the lines had all the writing on him.

[Brooke]

I thought you'd be impressed, Bethany, just by the fact he could read.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Narrator/Podcast Host]

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[Brooke]

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[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

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[Narrator/Podcast Host]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Narrator/Podcast Host]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Narrator/Podcast Host]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Narrator/Podcast Host]

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[Brooke]

You know what? I'm not even feeling sad for Zach.

[Jeffrey]

Cuz Zach wouldn't hear you anyway.

[Brooke]

That's true.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Even though he kind of embarrassed himself on the radio, he's meeting so many hotties at these bartending events now. He is going to be just, just fine in the dating world.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know if he can stop talking about himself. Yeah, I mean, honestly, like, it sounds like so simple and it's so hard for some people.

[Brooke]

There's a line if, if you're excited about your new success, you can only tell your old friends that knew you when you were broke. If you tell new people, hey, I'm rich and I have a company. Isn't that cool? They're going to be like, no. You sure? Yeah. But next week we're probably going to get an email from him saying he just met another woman, but this one's his soulmate because she can't ride a bike even either.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, it would be cute to see him on training wheels. I'm not joking. I would love that.

[Brooke]

Dual bicycle with training wheels. Zach, we're all rooting for you out there, but make sure you listen to Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Wherever you find your podcast, you can hear more second dates just like that one.

[Narrator/Podcast Host]

In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed. Real, fake, but even more incredible, that article was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who invented Sherlock Holmes. How did he fall for that? Hoax is a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood, and me, Lizzy Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history and try to answer the question why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, a different type of podcast. You, the listener, ask the questions.

[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

You can listen to American History hotline.

[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Caller/Listener (e.g., Anthony, Zach)]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Narrator/Podcast Host]

So what happened to Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

[Brooke]

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Guest (e.g., Lisa, Bethany)]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

[Jeffrey]

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