Second Date Update Classics: Private Jet Regret + Hair Today Gone Tomorrow

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update Episode: Second Date Update Classics: Private Jet Regret + Hair Today Gone Tomorrow
Release Date: August 2, 2025
Host/Authors: Brooke and Jeffrey
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update, hosts Brooke and Jeffrey dive into the complexities of modern dating through listener stories, humorous banter, and insightful advice. The episode, titled "Second Date Update Classics: Private Jet Regret + Hair Today Gone Tomorrow," explores two distinct dating mishaps involving attention to detail and miscommunication, ultimately offering listeners valuable lessons on fostering successful relationships.

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Listener Story 1: Zach and Lamy – The Private Jet Connection

Meeting on a Private Jet

The episode begins with a listener named Zach sharing his romantic encounter with Lamy, a flight attendant he met on a private jet. Jeffrey recounts:

[05:29] Brooke: Did you meet this lady here, or is it an international love that you found?
[05:35] Jeffrey: She was actually working the flight. She was one of our attendants.

Zach explains that he was invited on the private jet trip by a wealthy friend who had just sold his company. During the flight, Zach and Lamy developed a connection, enjoying extended conversations and even sharing a kiss.

[06:43] Brooke: Wow. She stays on the whole trip with you?
[06:55] Jeffrey: So she had a lot of time to chat. And I got to know her world.

Post-Trip Challenges

Upon returning home, Zach notices that Lamy isn't initiating contact, although she responds to his messages without reciprocating engagement.

[09:03] Jeffrey: I just feel like I'm the one trying to reconnect more. She's not ghosting me, per se.
[09:16] Brooke: You have to remember the right details.

Zach reflects on his possible mistakes, such as consistently misspelling Lamy's name on Instagram and not paying attention to the details she shared during their conversations.

[15:00] Jeffrey: He could tell that I wasn't the kind of guy that's in that social economic group, because why? My eyes were wide and my jaw was just on the floor.

Attempted Resolution

Brooke and Jose attempt to reach out to Lamy, only to discover that Jeffrey mistakenly contacted Brenda, a waitress at Applebee’s, instead of Lamy.

[33:17] Jeffrey: I don't take the orders. But someone else I'm sure can help you if you just call back.
[33:15] Jose: That's a good reminder to clean up your phone.

Key Takeaways from Zach and Lamy's Story

• Attention to Detail: Remembering a date’s name and personal details is crucial in building a meaningful connection.
• Effective Communication: Mutual effort is essential; if one party is not reciprocating, it may indicate a lack of interest.
• Avoiding Assumptions: Miscommunication can lead to confusion and missed opportunities for connection.

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Listener Story 2: Corey and Brenda – The Applebee’s Misadventure

A Night Out Gone Awry

Corey shares his rather unconventional date with Brenda, which started with playing flip cup in his car's parking lot before heading to an Applebee’s restaurant.

[26:26] Jeffrey: We were playing flip cups on the hood of my car.
[26:35] Jeffrey: I wanted to add some type of activity. I provided the beer seltzer.

During dinner, Corey unintentionally flirts with a waitress, Stephanie, while trying to impress Brenda. To cover his actions, Corey introduces Stephanie as his cousin, but this leads to further confusion.

[24:15] Jeffrey: I introduced the waitress. She went right along with it.
[24:28] Brooke: You touched her at all?
[24:43] Jeffrey: I was a little...

The Dessert Debacle

The date climaxed with Corey eating two entire fudge brownies. Brenda noticed a hair in her dessert but Corey had already indulged fully.

[25:03] Brooke: You ate two whole fudge brownies in front of her?
[25:12] Jeffrey: I ate two whole fudge brownies.

Attempted Second Date Update

Brooke and Jose reach out to Brenda, discovering that she was actually the waitress Stephanie. This revelation clarifies the misunderstanding between Corey and Brenda.

[34:50] Brooke: You got the wrong person.
[34:56] Brooke: You made that impression on me, Brenda. So maybe Brenda, we can go out another time.

Key Takeaways from Corey and Brenda's Story

• Honesty is Paramount: Misrepresenting relationships can lead to mistrust and confusion.
• Stay Focused on Your Date: Engaging with others during a date can inadvertently disrespect your partner.
• Handling Mistakes Gracefully: Admitting faults and showing genuine remorse can salvage relationships.

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Lessons on Successful Dating

Throughout both stories, Brooke and Jeffrey emphasize the importance of:

1. Remembering Personal Details:

   [21:54] Brooke: Ask which of these things that you're telling me should I remember? Yeah, everything.

2. Effective Communication:

   [22:00] Jeffrey: Yeah.

3. Being Genuine and Present:

   [36:47] Jeffrey: I was a little. But listen, I can't help, but I have it that way.

4. Avoiding Assumptions and Miscommunications:

   [21:54] Brooke: I would go with name and whether the sibling is a brother or sister. Pretty start.

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Conclusion

In this episode, Brooke and Jeffrey effectively highlight the pitfalls of neglecting attention to detail and miscommunication in dating. Through the humorous and relatable stories of Zach and Corey, listeners are reminded of the importance of genuine engagement, remembering personal details, and maintaining honesty in relationships. The hosts provide both entertainment and valuable insights, making Second Date Update a must-listen for anyone navigating the complexities of modern romance.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jeffrey on Attentiveness:

  [15:07] Jeffrey: I have your Social Security number memorized frontwards and backwards.

• Jose on Detail Importance:

  [21:38] Jose: Maybe throw it somewhere else like MySpace or something.

• Brooke on Confidence:

  [12:28] Brooke: We are in control here. Going to convince her you're amazing.

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For more detailed stories and updates, listeners are encouraged to tune into the full hour-long episodes available on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify.

Transcript

[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Jose]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jose]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jose]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jose]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jose]

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[Brooke]

Hey, it's Brick and Jeffrey in the morning. We got a Saturday treat for you. Like we always do. Double the second date today.

[Jose]

But yes, Saturday treats are delicious.

[Brooke]

Can I just say, please go follow our socials. Or if you're not already on our YouTube, find it. It's at Brooke and Jeffrey. Jose's dare was so amazing. His. I'm so proud of you.

[Jeffrey]

Thanks.

[Brooke]

You had the best attitude.

[Jose]

I mean, it's very. It's like, hard to get me embarrassed, but you guys really did it.

[Brooke]

We did it.

[Jose]

It's been a while since I felt like the warm face getting read like, oh, man.

[Brooke]

All we can tell you about it. You have to see it. Yeah. All it took was an inflatable sumo suit. Delivery pickups. That's all it took. And of course, Jeffrey's Song of the Week was amazing this week. If it's not viral on Tik Tok, then I don't even believe in TikTok anymore.

[Jeffrey]

Wow.

[Brooke]

What a statement. That is my statement.

[Jose]

Make it go viral somewhere else like MySpace or something.

[Brooke]

Right?

[Jose]

That'd be pretty impressive.

[Brooke]

It'd actually fit.

[Jose]

We could do that.

[Brooke]

It'd fit with the guy in the song, you know what I mean? The boyfriend song. So definitely check those out. And right now, just sit back and relax and enjoy two back to back second date classics.

[Jose]

Honestly, I don't know if we're classy enough for this phone call coming up.

[Brooke]

Here, because I'm gonna raise my hand and say, I'm not. I don't even know what you're gonna say next.

[Jose]

Well, because here's some of the information that I have about it.

[Brooke]

Okay?

[Jose]

Think champagne, but 30,000ft up in the air.

[Jeffrey]

Whoa.

[Jose]

Wow. And forget TSA pre check when the limo drives you right to the door of the plane, because this may be one of our first international second dates that we've ever done. So come on and take a ride with us. Okay.

[Brooke]

Let's pretend like we're rich, too.

[Jose]

I won in the limo. We're not at 30,000ft popping bubbly. We're at ground level in the back of a city bus, drinking a beer that somebody left here in one of the cup holders. It's classy in a different way.

[Brooke]

It's still beer.

[Jose]

Yep. It counts for your second date.

[Brooke]

Update.

[Jose]

Right after this second date update. You know, it's not very often we have a first date, go international.

[Brooke]

Ooh.

[Jose]

And we're not talking House of Pancakes international.

[Brooke]

That's also fun, though.

[Jose]

I mean, grab a passport, hop a plane, get the full TSA how do you do experience.

[Brooke]

Did they just go for that part?

[Jose]

Maybe that's what I just go to the airport for. But let's talk to this world traveler named Zach. Welcome to the show, man. Or should I say, guten tight to el show? I think you just fixed a bunch of languages. Pretty sure I nailed it. So, Zach, what's up, man? How you doing?

[Jeffrey]

I'm doing good. Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it.

[Brooke]

Oh, I'm so excited to hear your story. Did you meet this lady here, or is it an international love that you found?

[Jeffrey]

So. We actually met on a private jet.

[Jose]

Sorry? You said private jet, and we all freaked out. We don't know a lot of the people that have those.

[Brooke]

God. Yeah, right.

[Jose]

How did you meet her there?

[Jeffrey]

She was actually working the flight. She was one of our attendants.

[Brooke]

Oh, one of our attendants. Why were you there?

[Jeffrey]

I was there because I am just a regular civilian, but my friend sold his company and was treating me.

[Jose]

Does your friend need any more friends?

[Brooke]

I think we're too late. You got to get into the ground level with these people.

[Jose]

Yeah, they've already taken off. Okay. That's awesome, man. What was her name?

[Jeffrey]

Lamy.

[Brooke]

Lamy. Elainey Lamey or Elaine.

[Jeffrey]

It was actually with an M, which was cool.

[Brooke]

Yeah, like the horse is late.

[Jose]

Exactly. She's gone farther in life than any of us have.

[Brooke]

Wait. Yeah. Now, where does she live?

[Jeffrey]

She lives right here.

[Brooke]

Oh, she does? Okay.

[Jose]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

I don't think we make can make international calls, so tell us how that went, that plan.

[Jeffrey]

It went really good. Like, usually they do domestic flights, but because it was international, it was a little longer than normal. So she had, like, a lot of time to chat. And I got to kind of know her and, like, her world. Like, I didn't even realize renting these jets is, like, $15,000 an hour.

[Brooke]

Whoa. Dang, Brooke.

[Jose]

That's like, what, your daycare expense or what is that?

[Brooke]

That just two hours ago? That's still a lot.

[Jose]

Wow.

[Brooke]

Yeah, right? That's crazy. I mean, was she just being nice, or was there, like, a vi. You two.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, there was a vibe towards the end of the flight. I actually, like, checked in with her, and I was like, you know, I bet you every guy does this, but I would just feel bad the rest of my trip, like, oh, you didn't go for it? So I just asked her out, and she was like, I'd love to go out with you. And we actually. Actually ended up going out for drinks the very next night.

[Brooke]

Wow. She stays on the whole trip with you?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, because we were flying back on the same jet.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

So they were there for a couple days, too.

[Brooke]

Now, did she buy? Because I heard that those flight attendants on private jets make a lot of money. Yeah, I hear they make good money.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know about the salary, but she was telling me how much people tip, and I don't want to say that publicly, but I was like, oh, wow, that's cool.

[Jose]

I imagine it's a lot.

[Brooke]

You said, oh, well, that's cool. While, like, stifling all of your shots.

[Jose]

You think she was maybe trying to hint to you what she was hoping you would do at the end of your trip?

[Jeffrey]

Not me. Maybe my buddy. I think she could tell that I wasn't the kind of guy that's in that social economic group, because why? My eyes were wide and my jaw was just on the floor.

[Jose]

I was like, oh, yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Excuse me. That's a tip.

[Jose]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Dude, I'd be jumping on the queen size bed. Like, we. I can't believe there's a bed here. Is there a bed inside the plane? Private jets.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Zach, was there a bed in your plane?

[Jeffrey]

There was.

[Brooke]

Oh, there was. There's not always.

[Jose]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

I went on our company's private jet one time, and there's no bed. Yeah. And I did not act like I'd been there before. I was very excited.

[Jose]

I bet there was a bed on that plane, but they just didn't want you to get.

[Jeffrey]

Oh.

[Brooke]

Well, that hurts, Jeffrey.

[Jose]

Sorry. Let's get back to Lamy.

[Brooke]

How are drinks?

[Jeffrey]

It was great. She's, like, super pretty, really sweet. We were talking about family, and then she was telling me, like, her goals about how one day she actually wants to fly, but she wants to be a pilot.

[Jose]

That's so cool, man.

[Brooke]

Dude, that's awesome.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I thought it was super cool, and I was super supportive of that. We did make out a little bit.

[Brooke]

You did?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Jose]

So what went wrong, bro?

[Jeffrey]

I don't know. Now that we're back home, I noticed on her IG that she's back here, but I feel like I'm the one trying to reconnect more. Like. Like she's not ghosting me, per se. But, you know, like, whenever I text, she'll text back, but she Won't initiate or come back with another question or anything.

[Brooke]

I bet though, she gets hit on so much. Yeah, like, she's like beautiful woman with big goals. Like. She sounds amazing.

[Jose]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Do you think she was amazed by you too?

[Jeffrey]

I mean, I hope so. Like, I'm a great guy, you know, I take care of myself too, so I think anybody would be lucky to be with me as well.

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's good confidence. I like that.

[Jose]

Probably what she saw in you. She's probably so used to rich guys in suits all and then you are a down to earth dude. Yeah, that's some wishful thinking for sure.

[Brooke]

I mean, she told you her insta. She wouldn't give that to a creepy old guy.

[Jose]

That's also true.

[Brooke]

Oh, you think he's old? No, I'm just saying.

[Jose]

Okay, so how long has it been since you've been back home and been trying to set up a date with Lamy?

[Jeffrey]

Two weeks now.

[Brooke]

Two weeks? Oh, yeah. And you saw that she's here, so it's not even like the travel is the problem.

[Jose]

Exactly.

[Brooke]

All right.

[Jeffrey]

And you know, the craziest thing is, like, we connected, but like, she found me on IG and added me, so I was like, oh, she's excited. You know, that was when we got back. And then it's just been like nothing.

[Jose]

Yeah, you don't have anything on your ig like you running from the law or anything like that. It's not like you're. It's not like your Instagram. I think we have an international investigation to do here.

[Brooke]

Yeah, for. Well, she's not a spy. I don't know. Yeah, but she sounds awesome.

[Jose]

I'm just saying this call might cost extra if it goes overseas.

[Brooke]

Are we charging him?

[Jose]

Yeah. Zach, you're gonna come, right?

[Jeffrey]

I'm good.

[Jose]

Sweet.

[Jeffrey]

All right.

[Jose]

That's your friend at least. Yeah, we'll send the bill to you after we do your second date update. Next. Second date update. Well, Jose has already called dib. If things don't work out for Zach and Lamy, Jose wants to shoot his shot. So. I love music. Flight attendants, bro. Is that okay with you, man?

[Jeffrey]

Sure thing.

[Jose]

And Alexis has called dibs on the private jet, wherever that's going. Now she doesn't even care who's on.

[Brooke]

Yeah, forget your friend. I'm attached to the plane.

[Jose]

But it's not hard to understand why everybody wants Lamy right now. Because she's a luxury flight attendant for private jets. That's where Zach met her. Aboard the plane that his rich friend rented For a trip abroad.

[Brooke]

I mean, she's attractive.

[Jose]

She's a future pilot.

[Brooke]

Has amazing perks if you date her.

[Jose]

Yeah, Zach was lucky enough to meet her and ask her out, and they had a nice little date overseas.

[Brooke]

They even made out.

[Jose]

But now that they're back home, Lamey is acting kind of lame and not calling him back.

[Brooke]

Calling him. I would use that when they talk to her name.

[Jose]

Guys, come on. Yeah, I mean, that just lent itself to it. But, Zach, how we feeling here? Confidence level on a scale of one to ten?

[Jeffrey]

Shoot, guys. Seven. Oh.

[Brooke]

Actually, it's higher than I expected.

[Jose]

Yeah, but it might not be high enough for Lamy, who's used to dealing with tens on her flights all the time. So we gotta bump that up somehow.

[Brooke]

That can be exhausting. Yeah. You know, you don't want to be around that all the time.

[Jose]

Okay, well, maybe just like me, bump it up one more to an 8.

[Brooke]

Sure.

[Jose]

7.5.

[Brooke]

We can do that.

[Jose]

Can you bump up your confidence a little bit, please? Raise the elevation.

[Jeffrey]

I'm going in with the team. Let's go with an eight.

[Brooke]

There you go. We're in control here. Going to convince her you're amazing.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, yeah, we'll back you up.

[Jose]

You are amazing. We don't have to convince her. Yeah, that's right, Brook. Okay, careful with your words. Let's do this. We're calling her. Let's get your second date update.

[Jeffrey]

Hello?

[Jose]

Hello. I'm trying to book a private flight, and I heard that you got the hookup. The hookup?

[Jeffrey]

I'm not sure you hear that from. But, no, I don't. You're.

[Jose]

You're a flight attendant, right?

[Jeffrey]

I am, yeah.

[Jose]

Do you take coupons for 10% off for 15 grand an hour?

[Jeffrey]

No. You have to do this direct. Company. I'm sorry, I can't help you.

[Brooke]

It's a joke. He's joking.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Jose]

Am I?

[Brooke]

I don't know. If it worked, you wouldn't be sorry. I'm.

[Jose]

I'm messing with you. My name is Jeff. We're a radio show called Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning. Sorry to bother you.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Jose]

Sorry. We. We heard about you from one of our listeners who says that he met you during an international flight. His name is Zach.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jose]

You remember Zach? Okay.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, yeah, I do.

[Brooke]

We just assume you have a lot of people as a flight attendant coming in and out of your life all the time.

[Jeffrey]

Maybe I do, but he was a little different.

[Brooke]

That's good.

[Jose]

Well, we're trying to get some answers. Here because we're doing something called a second date update, and Zach told us that he had a great time when he met you and hanging out with you abroad, but since he's gotten back, he's been hoping to hang out again, and that's not happening. Is there a reason for that?

[Jeffrey]

It's not happening. No. He's different from any of the other passengers that I come across.

[Brooke]

And you liked that?

[Jose]

Different good or different bad?

[Jeffrey]

No, different good. Like, really nice and genuine. But he's disappointing.

[Brooke]

He's disappointing.

[Jeffrey]

He's disappointing? Yeah, because.

[Jose]

But what man isn't?

[Brooke]

You know, I'm glad you guys said it.

[Jose]

You know, we're all gonna disappoint you in our own special way. How did he do it?

[Jeffrey]

He's very nice, but he just. He kept calling me the wrong name. Oh, and that's.

[Jose]

Wait a minute.

[Brooke]

Wait, isn't your name Lamey with an M?

[Jeffrey]

No, an N. Lay me.

[Jose]

L, A, N. That's what we thought he said. We had him clarify, like, three or four times. He's okay.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, no, it's lame.

[Brooke]

Why would you not correct him?

[Jeffrey]

Well, I tried to correct it because I friended him on Instagram.

[Brooke]

Oh, so you thought he was. Oh, my God. Because it's your Instagram handle.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I mean, I tried to drop him a hint on there, but apparently he did not pick up on it.

[Brooke]

Men are the worst at attention to detail. Sometimes, sometimes. Not all the time. But, God, no, you're right about that.

[Jose]

I understand that must be really, really frustrating for somebody to get your name wrong for a very long time. But it's a simple mistake. Like, we can work through that.

[Jeffrey]

Understood. But that's not, like, the only thing. Like, he's not a very detailed oriented person.

[Brooke]

Okay, how else did that come up?

[Jeffrey]

Like, I told him that I would be back for three days and maybe we could see each other within those three days. And then I was leaving at 5:00 clock on the third day, and he texted me at like, seven, was like, hey, you want to go for drinks? Oh.

[Brooke]

I mean, I could see a person like you who's very schedule oriented, would need somebody who could pay attention to that stuff.

[Jeffrey]

But also, like, we talked on our date about, like, do you have any family? I said, yeah, I have a brother. And then. But then I said, okay, well, I'm out. You know, I'm out of town. I'm not home because I told you I was leaving today. And he said, oh, are you going to visit your sister? And I was like, no, I have a brother. Well, he was.

[Brooke]

Did he listen to anything?

[Jose]

You at least remember that you had a sibling?

[Jeffrey]

I mean, from the name to the sibling in between. That's frustrating.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Remembering little things about anybody is always a huge.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but for my job, I'm required to do that for customers. Like, why can't they do it for me?

[Brooke]

Yeah, and, like, when you're interested in someone, like, really excited about someone, I always feel like it's easier to remember everything about them.

[Jose]

But it could also come off looking a little weird if you remember everything about them. Oh, maybe.

[Brooke]

So maybe he's throwing. Throwing her off. I could see that. Yeah. Like, I'm not that interested in you. I bet you don't even have a bomb.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Whatever your name is. What was your name? Right. Rainey. But I can tell you for certain that he really does like you.

[Brooke]

Oh, I bet he's so embarrassed listening to this.

[Jose]

And you don't have to trust us. You can hear it directly from Zach himself because he's on the other line right now and wants to talk to you.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, gosh.

[Jose]

Zach, talk to Lainey with an N. Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, Lainey.

[Jose]

You said it, right?

[Brooke]

Oh, Zach, hi.

[Jeffrey]

I just want to say I'm disappointed in myself. I didn't realize, and it's such a dumb mistake. Like, I should have noticed on your Instagram, your name.

[Jose]

Yeah, that's.

[Jeffrey]

I don't have, like, a solid reason. Everything she's saying is absolutely true. I just really liked her. I was nervous. I know. Now she's saying she's telling about her brothers and stuff too, and I remembered, like, a sibling, but the whole time I was just ultra self conscious, just, like, talking to myself while even talking to her. Like, don't mess this up. Don't mess this up.

[Jose]

Lainey. Laney, are you hearing him? What do you think?

[Jeffrey]

I hear him. Yeah.

[Jose]

That doesn't sound very good.

[Brooke]

I think that's pretty sweet. That's pretty earnest. You sound like such a catch. And, you know, he isn't on private planes very often, and he's meeting this beautiful woman. Like, you could see how it'd be really overwhelming.

[Jose]

Yeah, and maybe. Maybe Zach was just, like, so mesmerized by how beautiful you are when he saw your Instagram.

[Brooke]

That's not helpful. That's not. That's not.

[Jose]

Well, it's just like, such an engaging, beautiful, gorgeous eye. Eyes on her profile photo. Why is her being pretty bad? I don't understand. Why is it bad to call a woman beautiful?

[Brooke]

Because it's like the way you're saying. No, you said that she's so distracting, that she's such a beautiful object. He can't even listen to anything that's coming out. You're not gonna date a guy that's like that.

[Jeffrey]

And clearly, y' all are, like, forgetting, like, the line of work that I. I work in.

[Brooke]

What does that have to do with anything?

[Jeffrey]

I am because I'm with men who have a lot of money and who are taking these jets and who. Yeah. They feel like they can just, like.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Call you whatever they want.

[Brooke]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Jeffrey]

Listen to anything.

[Jose]

But we know for a fact that Zach doesn't have a lot of money like all those other men.

[Jeffrey]

I understand, but, like, I thought he was different, but it just. It never got any better.

[Jose]

Well, no, I'm. So, like, we haven't heard from Zach at all. That was just me speculating. Like, Zach, we could clear this up right now. You can tell her that you don't find her beautiful at all. Yeah, we've learned that is.

[Brooke]

You guys.

[Jeffrey]

You guys.

[Jose]

Zachary.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. I, like, I thought she was wonderful. Not just, like. Yeah, physically, of course. Obviously.

[Jose]

Careful. You're treading on dangerous ground with that guy.

[Brooke]

Stop it.

[Jeffrey]

I agree with her. Like, I was nervous. Maybe I just messed this up and that's that. But, like, I would love another chance to try to play it cooler.

[Jose]

I mean, Lainey, if you're willing to go out with him and give him one more shot, we would pay for another date.

[Brooke]

I think he deserves another chance.

[Jose]

Hopefully you do accept that coupon thing, because. International gift card. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know.

[Jose]

He does seem like a genuinely good guy.

[Jeffrey]

He does seem like a very nice person. I just don't. I don't think this is a route that I want to take. I think I'm good.

[Brooke]

All right.

[Jose]

Darn. Okay, should we do, like, a detour route? Maybe, like, a connecting flight to.

[Brooke]

I think the flight's canceled. I think it's canceled. Zach.

[Jose]

I'm sorry, man.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, it's okay. It happened.

[Brooke]

It's a good. Good lesson for you, right?

[Jose]

Yeah, man. Don't call women beautiful. No.

[Brooke]

How about R.E.M. their name. Yeah. It's just a start.

[Jose]

Good idea, Brandy. We'll remember that. Brooke and Brandy in the morning.

[Brooke]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Jose]

Man, we hear a lot of weird stuff that happens on dates on this show with people, you know, taking their pants off in public. Moms and exes showing up to dinner uninvited. But sometimes, I mean, this proves it's the little things. Tiny attention to details that can really make the difference and can cause something to backfire.

[Brooke]

Your name is a little thing, but.

[Jose]

Okay, well, it was one letter and it was one letter off in the Alphabet. They sound kind of similar.

[Brooke]

Yeah. And she probably should have corrected him. Yeah.

[Jose]

To be honest, one time. I mean, bro, would you say, is it important for most women to pay attention to the details or do you think some women are more particular about it?

[Brooke]

I think that it's important for me to pay attention to the details, but maybe it's not important to other people.

[Jose]

Alexis, what do you think important to detail for a guy?

[Brooke]

If they're interesting. Like. Yeah, like I don't care about boring details.

[Jose]

Just gotta guess what that was. Oh, guys, if you're listening and there's a girl that you're talking to on a dating app, ask which of these things that you're telling me should I remember? Yeah, everything.

[Brooke]

I mean, no, I would go with name and whether the sibling is a brother or sisters. Pretty start. Pretty standard.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Okay, good to know. Also throwing. Hey, your blood type is O positive, right?

[Brooke]

That is actually mine.

[Jose]

Also, I have your Social Security number memorized frontwards and backwards. Oh, don't forget the credit card. Got those two right up in the old noggin. I care. Anyway, if you ever want to get a second date update, email the show. We can call that person who isn't calling you back. Check out all of our second date updates online, wherever you get your podcast.

[Brooke]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Jose]

Planning a fun activity to go along with dinner for a first date.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Is normally a good plan. Not sure if that was the case though, with today's listener, because from what I understand, it happened in a low lit parking lot and could be in violation of open container laws. Yeah, I didn't want to bring that up, but I was like, this is illegal.

[Brooke]

I still think it could be fun.

[Jose]

Was it the downfall or the highlight of their romantic evening?

[Brooke]

That's the positive thinking we need.

[Jose]

We're going to find out in a second date update right after this second date update. How many mistakes are you allowed to make on a first date?

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Jose]

Oh, no, I never thought about this, Jeff.

[Brooke]

Depends. I guess if you want another one, there's a number.

[Jose]

I guess it depends on the mistake itself.

[Brooke]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jose]

Like forgetting your credit card. You get away with that.

[Brooke]

That's a big mistake once. I think that's okay. It happens.

[Jose]

Forgetting your date's name.

[Brooke]

Oh, definitely let that one go.

[Jose]

Forget your own name.

[Brooke]

Name yes.

[Jose]

Who am I again?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Hey, I'm Carlo. No, wait, that's my cousin. Wait, what is mine? Let me get my id. Oh, wait, I forgot my credit card.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, God.

[Jose]

Luckily, none of those happened to our listener, Corey.

[Brooke]

Oh, no.

[Jose]

But he said in his email a mistake was definitely made. And I'm curious what it was. Corey, welcome to the show.

[Jeffrey]

Thank you guys for having me.

[Brooke]

All right, Corey, I'm glad you know who you are. There's no existential crisis happening.

[Jose]

Now, do we know the name of your date? Do you remember that one?

[Jeffrey]

Yes, I think it was Brenda.

[Jose]

He just looked it up on his phone right now. He had to swipe through, but.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, do you see me?

[Jose]

Okay, so what was the mistake that you made with Brenda?

[Jeffrey]

Well, the mistake was Brenda. And I was out to dinner, and Brenda had to excuse herself and go to the bathroom. And this very sexy waitress came over.

[Brooke]

Oh, no.

[Jeffrey]

And she started flirting with me.

[Brooke]

Did she, though? Did she. Let's be honest.

[Jose]

Or was she doing her job?

[Brooke]

Yep.

[Jeffrey]

And what did you do? I started flirting back with her.

[Jose]

You just couldn't help it, huh? It's one thing to, like, flirt, like, secretly. Did you got caught by Brenda flirting?

[Jeffrey]

Well, I didn't get caught, thank goodness. She came back to the table and she saw me rubbing on the waitress arm.

[Brooke]

What? What?

[Jose]

Wait, that's worse.

[Brooke]

You touched her at all?

[Jose]

You're feeling her up?

[Jeffrey]

Well, listen, she led to that. And as I'm feeling on her arm, Brenda comes back to the table. And I was like, oh, Brenda, I'd like you to meet Stephanie. This is my cousin.

[Brooke]

Wow.

[Jeffrey]

And I introduced the waitress. She went right along with it. But the waitress did slide me her number in there.

[Jose]

But still, the waitress was actually. She was feeling it, huh?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yes, she was.

[Jose]

Okay.

[Brooke]

But you do not sound remorseful at.

[Jose]

All for this situation.

[Jeffrey]

I was a little. But listen, I can't help, but I have it that way. What can I say? Well, hold up.

[Jose]

Isn't this second date update that you want to do to call Brenda, or.

[Brooke]

Is it the waitress? I think you and the waitress might.

[Jeffrey]

Be a better match. Well, no, but Brenda and I, after the night went on, we hit it off very well. And listen, I would like to see Brenda again in a different restaurant. But, yes, I'd like to see Brenda again.

[Jose]

Yell at me, girls. But is there a chance that her seeing him get hit on slightly made her like him? More like there's competition.

[Brooke]

Because he. Yeah, he said that it was his cousin.

[Jose]

Oh, that's right. So in her eyes. It's his cousin. Oh, God.

[Brooke]

Anything? It's a red flag. Like, why are you rubbing your cousin?

[Jose]

You know, Brooke is cousin rubbing all up and down her family reunions. Let's not act like it's weird.

[Jeffrey]

We're not from West Virginia, so it wasn't like that.

[Jose]

Okay, so wait, how did this date start off before the restaurant?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it started off. We were playing flip cups on the hood of my car.

[Brooke]

Wait, wait, What?

[Jose]

Oh, confusing thing.

[Brooke]

What do you mean? As part of the date?

[Jeffrey]

Yes. Yes. I wanted to add some type of activity. I wanted to have some fun before the date, so.

[Brooke]

So you got no team. You're just competing against each other. Does someone remind me of the flip cup rules again?

[Jose]

You chug the beer out of the plastic cup and you put it on the table. Have to flip it over. That's the lane. On the other side, you have a.

[Brooke]

Team of, like, five.

[Jose]

You can just do it six times in a row yourself.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, and that's what we did. Six times in a row.

[Jose]

Well, that's. That's thoughtful. A lot of guys don't put the effort into, like, plan out an activity for the actual date. They just go to a place and hope for the best.

[Jeffrey]

And listen, I was a complete gentleman. I provided the beer seltzer.

[Brooke]

Need a beer. I mean, that sounds traditional. Alexis.

[Jose]

Maybe Brenda's a beer type of gal. So we got flip cup, a restaurant, you hit on the wait trip. Anything else we should know from your cousin? Yeah, that's important, because I missed that. Corey, any other details from this romantic first encounter?

[Jeffrey]

After the nice dinner we had, we ordered dessert. Okay, I ate both of them.

[Brooke]

Wait, why? Cory, both the dessert. Desserts are meant to be shared. Yeah, part of the game.

[Jeffrey]

But she saw a hair in hers. And listen, I didn't have a problem with the hair, so.

[Brooke]

I actually appreciate that.

[Jose]

I'm with Brooke on this one.

[Jeffrey]

I would.

[Brooke]

Don't ever say anything. If that. That happens to me, you just pick it off.

[Jose]

It's a freaking hair.

[Brooke]

So she didn't want to eat it because there was a hair. So you.

[Jeffrey]

There was a hair.

[Brooke]

So you want to insult your cousin by sending it back?

[Jose]

What kind of dessert was it?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it was a fudge brownie.

[Jose]

Oh, you ate two whole fudge brownies in front of her?

[Jeffrey]

I ate two whole fudge brownies.

[Brooke]

Wait, why didn't you give her yours?

[Jeffrey]

Well, I have already ate mine before she found the hair.

[Jose]

Okay.

[Brooke]

All right. What? Awesome. This is a wild night.

[Jose]

Yeah, I can't wait to hear from her for multiple reasons. So what's happened since this date? Did you guys kiss?

[Jeffrey]

No, we. We didn't. Okay. But I was okay with that.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's good.

[Jeffrey]

All right.

[Jose]

It doesn't have to have. I don't know what's wrong with you. After you like brought her beer, introduced her to your family, showed her how good you are at eating. Sounds like a random night.

[Brooke]

Feeling so funny.

[Jose]

Kind of all over the place. I would love to hear what excuse this woman has for not calling you back. She repeats all three things.

[Brooke]

What could it be? Do you think you got got caught in your lie about the cousin?

[Jeffrey]

She didn't act like we still had a nice time afterwards.

[Jose]

Yeah, let's reach out to Brenda and have her explain herself and maybe even give you a refund after we do this second date update right after this.

[Jeffrey]

Thank you, guys.

[Jose]

Hold on. Then second date update. If you missed part one of today's call, here's what we know. Corey is our listener, and Corey's normal date dates are unlike any other normal date we've ever heard on this show.

[Brooke]

That's right, Jeff.

[Jose]

Because it started by meeting his date Brenda in a parking lot and playing flip cup with the backseat beer he had lying in his trunk.

[Brooke]

Oh, he didn't say it was warm though. Was it warm? I don't know why. That.

[Jose]

I don't know why. I'm just assuming it had been there a while. It eventually moved inside of a restaurant where he proceeded to hit on a waitress.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Jose]

Doesn't think he got caught. Cuz he lied and said that she was his cousin.

[Brooke]

Yeah. And the waitress went along with it.

[Jose]

Yes. While he rubbed her arm. Yeah. Then it ended with two chocolate desserts, both eaten by Corey. Cuz Brenda said she found a hair in hers. Now it's unclear to me. Maybe he clarified this already. But Corey, you didn't eat the actual hair, did you?

[Jeffrey]

I may have that.

[Brooke]

May have.

[Jeffrey]

Pick it up. Listen, one long hair is not going to kill you.

[Brooke]

Actually, I think that's a good quote.

[Jose]

We should put that on the restaurant sign right there. Are we talking like dental flu?

[Brooke]

Female hair.

[Jose]

There we go. Still, that's really long.

[Brooke]

Do you have any regret that like maybe she was telling you there was a hair so that you would speak up to the waitress and you would get the dessert switched out? I mean, the waitress to her was your cousin. Oh, that's such a good point.

[Jose]

It's like setting you up to be like the shoe.

[Jeffrey]

Well, I didn't fall for that one.

[Jose]

It's not a trick, I think. Okay. All right. Not. Not Corey style. We get that. Now let's try and reach out to Brenda here and see if she answers.

[Brooke]

And we're not gonna out him on the cousin lie, right?

[Jose]

No.

[Brooke]

Okay. I just want to make that clear in the room.

[Jose]

Yeah. No, I'm not.

[Brooke]

Okay. Even though I might not have been as smooth as he says it is.

[Jeffrey]

Well, let's just make sure you all understand that I'm that smooth. Okay.

[Jose]

We never doubted you, man.

[Brooke]

I'm actually gonna make a note of. Okay.

[Jose]

All right, let's dial Brenda right now. Here we go.

[Brooke]

Hello?

[Jose]

Hey, is this Brenda?

[Jeffrey]

Yes.

[Jose]

Hey, Brenda. Thanks for answering. We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Brooke]

Hey, Brenda.

[Jeffrey]

Hi.

[Jose]

Good morning.

[Jeffrey]

Hi.

[Brooke]

Hi. Welcome to the show, Brenda.

[Jeffrey]

Thank you. I didn't sign up for any. I don't know.

[Jose]

No, no, you didn't sign up for anything. Somebody else kind of signed you up for this. It actually could be a really good thing for you. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, what is it?

[Jose]

This is a segment we do called Second Date Update. Because you were recently out with a guy who listens to our show. Apparently, he thinks you two had a really nice time and he's been hoping to meet up with you again. His name is Corey.

[Jeffrey]

I'm not sure I know who that is.

[Jose]

Really?

[Brooke]

That is shocking that you would forget Corey.

[Jose]

You guys played like flip cup in a parking lot. You went to a restaurant, shared a dessert. Kind of.

[Brooke]

Yeah. We heard your dessert wasn't very good.

[Jeffrey]

This is really confusing. Did it. Did this happen at an Applebee's?

[Jose]

We don't know. Maybe it did.

[Brooke]

How does this sound?

[Jeffrey]

Memorable?

[Brooke]

I mean, honestly. Okay, we talked to him, and he was. He was a very impactful person to me. Like somebody I wouldn't forget.

[Jose]

Like, we're not going to forget even after this. I bet.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

I'm just confused because I'm a waitress at Applebee's, and.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Jeffrey]

I don't.

[Brooke]

Did he give us the wrong number?

[Jeffrey]

You're his cousin. Oh, Miss. Shoot.

[Jose]

Oh, God. Okay.

[Brooke]

I don't.

[Jeffrey]

I don't.

[Brooke]

Oh, we got the wrong.

[Jose]

He's talking. Yeah. So, Corey, please shed some light on this. What is going on? What happened?

[Jeffrey]

I think. Listen, I got three names under Applebee's. I got Applebee's, Brenda. Okay, Applebee's, Rachel and Applebee. Tanya and I kind of.

[Jose]

Okay, so one must be the waitress. One is his actual date at Applebee's. I don't know. Even know who the third one is?

[Brooke]

I don't think he does either. Rolled the dice. One in three, chance to get it right.

[Jose]

But we're on the phone with Brenda. The waitress from Applebee's.

[Jeffrey]

Yes, I'm Brenda. You know, are you the creepy guy that was, like, badgering me for my number?

[Brooke]

Your real number?

[Jeffrey]

You thought that you were calling, like, your date from the other night. But wait, but wait a minute. You feel like he was into it, so that's why I just went with it. Listen, listen. I'm a nice guy. You're a nice lady. And maybe, you know, after my date with my other lady.

[Jose]

Well, that, that's. That's how strong of an impression that you made on him, Brenda. That Applebee's. That he's completely erased every other female's name from his. All girls are now named Functioning brain.

[Brooke]

Yeah, he did.

[Jeffrey]

That's all I saw. I'm sorry I got the name wrong, but, you know, I thought we had. No, you didn't get the name wrong. I am Brenda. I was your waitress.

[Brooke]

You got the.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay. My fault. Brenda.

[Brooke]

I mean, that says a lot about a man, Brenda, that can admit their faults.

[Jeffrey]

Yes, listen, I made a mistake, but you still. You made that impression on me, Brenda. So maybe, Brenda, we can go out another time.

[Brooke]

Awkwardly saying her.

[Jose]

He's trying to, like, remember it. It's like a tool.

[Jeffrey]

I just. I can't believe that. Like when you were telling me about the date that did. He played flip cup in a parking lot. Like, that's not a date.

[Jose]

I gotta say, it's better than a date.

[Jeffrey]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Brooke]

It can't be that uncommon in the parking lot of Applebee's, is it not?

[Jeffrey]

Brenda, it was just an activity that I thought maybe we can have fun before, you know, we going into dinner now with you and I, I would try something different. I will come up with a different activity if you give me that chance.

[Jose]

That's the thing. Corey's all about, like, good vibes, good times with good people. And you fit all of those criteria for him.

[Jeffrey]

That's why he remembers the people.

[Brooke]

Well, you know, I think he.

[Jeffrey]

I remember Brenda.

[Jose]

I bet Brenda, if you gave him a shot and sweet talked him back, he'd be willing to play a different drinking game with you. Maybe King's Cup.

[Jeffrey]

I think I'm. I'm that one.

[Jose]

Spin the bot. Well, you and her, that's kind of.

[Jeffrey]

But, you know, I feel like this guy just like, doesn't think guys that.

[Jose]

Think, like, do you really want that? Like, that's gonna give you a headache. Yeah, you want to be in charge.

[Brooke]

I mean, Jeffrey actually has a point there. Yeah, a lot more work.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I definitely want a guy that thinks 100%.

[Jose]

Okay, well, Brenda, you're in definitely the minority of women with that one. But I'd still like to offer to send you on a date with Corey. And we would pay for it. Applebee's gift card.

[Brooke]

Anybody with her discount, you could get a lot for that.

[Jose]

You get four brownies and let him eat all of them.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I'm okay, though, but thank you for the offer.

[Jose]

Okay, Brenda, do you guys take orders over the phone right now? Because I'd like to put one in for lunch. Okay, we want brownies.

[Jeffrey]

I don't take the orders. But someone else I'm sure can help you with that if you just call back.

[Jose]

Okay, Corey, you're right. She is a dude.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, the problem is me, for sure.

[Jose]

The one who doesn't eat hair. We didn't even talk about the whole dessert debacle with the hair in the brownie. Yeah, yeah, we don't get to discuss.

[Brooke]

It and him eating it.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I was there. I saw it happen.

[Brooke]

Wait. Oh, wait. You served him the dessert that you knew had a hair in it?

[Jeffrey]

I didn't know that there was a hair in it until his date sent something and we went to replace it and he had already eaten it.

[Brooke]

Oh, quick word.

[Jose]

Yeah. It's a man who doesn't complain.

[Jeffrey]

I don't complain. Brenda, you should complain about that. All I know, it was a very good brownie.

[Jose]

Okay, so you're not gonna get a date out of this. Clearly. But I don't see why Applebee's wouldn't use you to endorse their dessert menu. Oh, but if only we could come up with, like, a catchy slogan for them.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Here today, gone tomorrow.

[Brooke]

Here today, gone tomorrow.

[Jose]

I like it.

[Brooke]

That's a good day. I like. Oh, yeah. Bruce and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Jose]

Why do I feel like Corey is definitely going to be back on this show again somewhere down the road?

[Brooke]

Dude, I want to call Applebee's. Tanya does. No one else. I know we didn't get to the actual person. I mean, there was two other Applebee's off.

[Jose]

Yeah, I mean, it's a good reminder when you're putting the numbers of ladies into your phone, make sure you don't have more than one Applebee's girl.

[Brooke]

Or just describe them as Applebee's waitress. Applebee's hostess.

[Jose]

Applebee's Day.

[Brooke]

Yes, Applebee's Chef.

[Jose]

I should of us do like lips Peach, you know. Yeah. Physical descriptions. I. I should have asked him how many Denny's girls you got in there? Probably up in the 20s for that. Hey, I used to work at Denny's, all right? They like to party. He's got some talent in there. Make sure to clean up your phone every once in a while, though. It's a good reminder. Do some housekeeping. Make yourself and make your dating life a little bit easier. It's a good point.

[Brooke]

God, I have three people saved under ice on this. No.

[Jose]

So, yeah, if you ever need help, help with your dating life, we can try and make it easier for you by calling that person who isn't calling you back. You can go check out all of our second dates wherever you get your podcasts at Brooke and Jeffrey the Girlfriends.

[Brooke]

Is back with a new season, and this time I'm telling you the story of Kelly Harnett. Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit. As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law. He goes, oh, God. Harnett Jailhouse Slaughter. And became a beacon of hope for the women locked up alongside her.

[Jeffrey]

You're supposed to have your faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Brooke]

I think I was put here to save souls by getting people out of prison. The Girlfriends Jailhouse Lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jose]

My Uncle Chris was a real character, a garbage truck driver from South Carolina who is now buried in Panama City alongside the founding family of Panama. He also happens to be responsible for the craziest night of my life. Wild stories about adventure, romance, crime, history and war intertwine as I share the tall tales and hard truths that have helped me understand Uncle Chris. Listen now to Uncle Chris on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Brooke]

I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that.

[Jeffrey]

Meant for my heart. Podcasts and Rococo Punch this is the Turning River Road in the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a secret life of abuse. But in 2014, the youngest escaped. Listen to the Turning river road on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jose]

The stuff you should know guys have made their own summer playlists of their Must Listen podcasts on Movies It' Josh.

[Jeffrey]

And I'd like to welcome you to.

[Jose]

The Stuff youf Should Know Summer Movie Playlist.

[Jeffrey]

What screams summer more than a nice.

[Jose]

Darkened air conditioned theater and a great movie playing right in front of you? Episodes on James Bond, special effects, stunt men and women, disaster films, even movies that change filmmaking and many more. Listen to the Stuff youf Should Know Summer Movie Playlist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. No one is harmed. No death, no trauma, just a few cells grown in a dish. This is David Eagleman from the Inner Cos podcast and this week we're tackling a tough question where brain science meets the future Lab Grown meat is going to force us to confront the boundaries of our ethics. And what does this have to do with brain plasticity, social belonging, messed up boundaries between mental categories? What does this uncover about brain science and our calculations of morality? Listen to Intercom Cosmos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.