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Back to back for you to get things done. That's what we do here at Sprooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And we got your back to back classics like we do every Saturday. Yeah. So thanks so much for being here. I hope you enjoy these. But before, we always love to highlight a comment.
Jeffrey
Yes.
Alexis
And Hannah said the only way I can clean is if I'm listening to y'.
Brooke
All.
Alexis
Then it's actually enjoyable. Thank you so much for making cleaning enjoyable. Love from Idaho. P S. I laugh so hard when I hear my name in these second date updates. Oh, because there's some Hannahs. There's probably a lot of Hannah.
Jeffrey
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah.
Alexis
That's so funny. Your house looks great, girl.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Alexis
Yeah, it's gonna be really shiny after this. Yeah, totally. Back to back classics start right now.
Jeffrey
Alexis, I'm gonna go through some dating profile, pick options. You tell me if they're immediate red flags or not, okay?
Alexis
Okay.
Doug
Okay.
Jeffrey
Picture of a guy hugging a dog.
Alexis
Oh, not a red flag.
Jeffrey
That's hot. That's safe. Okay.
Alexis
I like it.
Jeffrey
Picture of a guy holding up a fish.
Alexis
Oh, that's a red flag.
Jeffrey
That's red.
Alexis
I don't like that.
Jeffrey
What about a picture of a guy kissing a fish while his dog spoons it from behind?
Alexis
It's better than the last one, but still red. Okay, the light red. Okay, the pink flag.
Jeffrey
I say green flag. But I get it. I'm not everybody. He's kissing the wrong animal. That's true.
Alexis
I say talented dog.
Jeffrey
Sometimes one. One photo can raise the reddest of all red flags and make you want to ask a few questions. And that's exactly what happened to one of our listeners the other day when she noticed something odd on a guy's profile pic that made her say, if there is any chance of us going out, you need to explain.
Alexis
This is it. Fish and Trucks together. Because that'd be bad.
Jeffrey
No spoilers. You're gonna find out what it was in your second date update. Next. Second date update. You know on dating apps now, where the decent looking woman gets 2,000 matches per day, and that's like 2,000 guys messaging her and complimenting her, trying to take her out. It's more important than ever for guys to be Creative and witty. Yeah, when they're talking. Or at least Google something creative and witty and then copy that like it's yours.
Alexis
So it's like, hi, how are you? Not enough.
Jeffrey
Oh, you're getting blocked. That's creepy. Yeah.
Alexis
No, all lowercase letters.
Jeffrey
Ew.
Alexis
Yeah, gross.
Jeffrey
But that's exactly what happened to one of our listeners, May, recently when she matched with a guy online named Doug, and their conversation apparently got pretty interesting.
Alexis
Oh, that's cool.
Jeffrey
But his first line was just straight up asking her out. And, May, what did you immediately notice from Doug's dating profile?
May
Well, there was a couple funny things on his profile. One of his pictures, he had a woman in it, which. Yeah, bold.
Alexis
That's a bold thing to put on a dating app.
Jeffrey
Like a woman his age or like, a mom type of person?
May
No, it seemed like. Like, maybe a girlfriend.
Alexis
Oh, no.
Jeffrey
I see girls that do this, too, and I always swipe left. I'm like, why would your main profile be you and some guy?
Alexis
To prove that you can actually go out with someone.
Jeffrey
Yeah. So what did you write back when you saw that there's another woman in his pictures? Yeah.
May
I frankly said, is your girlfriend going to be okay with this?
Jeffrey
Oh, girlfriend.
Alexis
I can't believe you still wrote him back. You know, but, like, okay.
Jeffrey
Yeah, it's good to call somebody out, too. Like, hey, you know, idiot. Did he have a response?
May
Yeah, he responded that he doesn't have a girlfriend.
Doug
Okay.
Jeffrey
I would believe him.
Alexis
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Just super trustworthy.
Jeffrey
Trust whatever guys say online all the time. Trust the Internet, stranger.
Alexis
Yeah. So who was the woman? What did he say? She was.
Jeffrey
Yeah. What was the explanation? Right.
May
So I obviously asked, who's this woman in the photo? And he responds, oh, that's my wife, but we're just friends. With a laughing emoji.
Jeffrey
That's so funny. Brooke, this is a joke. Oh, Alexis, it's called sarcasm. Humor and sarcasm. He doubled down.
Alexis
You don't have to down. Like, it's so demeaning. Like, don't even. That's so annoying.
Jeffrey
May, were you demeaned by that, or did you think it was funny?
May
No, I thought it was funny. I obviously knew it was a joke.
Alexis
Oh, he didn't mansplain the joke after he said it, so that's cool, though. So you guys are on the same page.
May
Yeah, I really liked his humor. And he did this other thing that I thought was really funny, too, is, you know, he was telling me that dating apps are really hard for guys, and in his experience, it's been tough.
Alexis
Yeah.
May
That he's ghosted so many times.
Jeffrey
Sorry, do you say that he's been ghosted or he has ghosted other people?
May
He said that he's been ghosted, but.
Alexis
He really meant both.
Jeffrey
Yeah, I mean, kind of a two way street.
May
He sent me a photo of him at a table by himself, laughing and said at this point he started dating actual ghosts.
Alexis
Oh, red flag.
Jeffrey
It's funny.
May
I think he's just.
Jeffrey
He's being self deprecating, saying like, see, nobody wants to go out.
Alexis
But it's. It's a dangerous area to tread because at some point it will start to make you look kind of sad and pathetic.
Doug
Right.
Alexis
At some point, like it's not funny anymore. You know, how hard you go, look.
Jeffrey
How many people showed up to my birthday party. I'm alone. Brooke just helped me realize it's probably my problem. You just make fun of yourself a little too much. But you didn't feel that way, May. You felt like he was just doing just enough to be humorous.
May
Yeah, I mean, you have to get somebody's attention, you know, it's hard. There's a lot of options out there.
Jeffrey
And so that's how he stood out.
Alexis
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeffrey
Well, so you. Did you guys end up going out?
May
We did. Yeah, we went out for drinks.
Alexis
And what was that like the first time you saw each other?
May
It was nice. I mean, he seemed really nice. A little more soft spoken than I would have thought.
Alexis
Oh, because he was so bold and sarcastic when he's writing. That's interesting.
Jeffrey
He'd be cracking jokes the whole time.
May
But I mean, it was fun. He seemed like a really good guy. He's interesting. He's in a band.
Alexis
Oh God, there's another red flag.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Alexis
Well, Nothing.
Jeffrey
Why just shout red flag?
Alexis
I don't know, just musicians, you know, they got a reputation.
Jeffrey
What's the reputation?
Alexis
Are you kidding?
Jeffrey
They're talented.
Alexis
No, Joe, no. I'm not talking about parody songs.
Jeffrey
I think he's a keeper, man. Don't let this one go. A singer, I see. No problem. Okay.
Alexis
I mean, it's cool that he's in a band.
May
Yeah, I thought it was cool. I really enjoyed the conversation. I thought we really got along. We even kissed at the end of the night.
Jeffrey
And musicians never kiss girls. Random. Wow. Okay, so what's happened since the date?
May
I honestly just haven't really been able to get a hold of him.
Jeffrey
Is he ghosting you? The irony that he's the one complaining.
Alexis
About getting ghosts and that's a weird thing. Like, he's, like, talking about how terrible the dating world is.
May
I just want to quickly correct myself. I'm not able to get a hold of him on the phone, but we are texting a little bit back and forth.
Alexis
Okay. She's not totally silent.
May
I mean, the thing is, I have a lot of options. I have a lot of people asking me out. But I wanted to give Doug a chance because I really enjoyed my time with him. So I don't know, I'm just kind of thinking maybe he does have a wife or.
Alexis
Right. Like. Like there's always some truth in every joke, right?
Jeffrey
Maybe he's just so used to being ghosted, he doesn't know how to act around a woman who actually wants to be with him. She's like, let's go out again. He's like, don't mock me. Okay.
May
I. Yeah. I mean, I hope I didn't jot him by actually asking him to hang out again.
Alexis
Wait a minute.
Jeffrey
What do I do now? We'll find out. We'll come back, call him, and try and get you a second date update. Right after this second date update. If you're just joining us, we're on the phone with one of our listeners, May, who, in her own words, is a woman with lots and lots of other male options online.
Alexis
I mean, so she's a woman.
Jeffrey
Yes, most women do. She is quite the woman. Her bumble hinge notifications are blowing up on the reg, but she's not thinking about all those other dudes thirsting after her and her pics. She's thinking about one guy named Doug. Funny, simple, nice guy in a band. Doug, who went on one date with her and immediately got her attention. But, yeah, now for some reason afterwards, they can't seem to nail down a time to hang out again.
Alexis
Even though Doug went on and on about how terrible dating is for him, he can't meet a nice person.
Jeffrey
So weird.
Brooke
Which.
Jeffrey
Which has me worried that maybe he actually might be married.
Alexis
Right.
Jeffrey
Because they joked about the woman in his profile pic being his wife. Maybe it wasn't so jokey after all.
Alexis
You know, it's one of those things where he's like, well, I told her. Yeah.
Jeffrey
How mad would you be if we get him on the phone and he told you that actually is his wife?
May
Oh, I would be pretty upset because I don't accept lying.
Alexis
Yeah, but you know what? Not as upset as wife would be.
Jeffrey
Yeah. Thinking of her.
Alexis
I'm just trying to look at the positive here.
Jeffrey
Who would be Angrier her or his wife? Maybe. We'll find out in a couple minutes. Here. We may get a really angry text, said, wait a minute. Is that my husband? Okay, but no. Let's just call Doug and see what he has to say. You ready? I am.
Alexis
Yeah, I'm ready.
Jeffrey
Okay. Good job, Jeff. Here we go.
Doug
Hello?
Jeffrey
Hey, is this Doug?
Doug
Yeah, this is Doug.
Jeffrey
Hey, Doug. You don't have to sound so skeptical. It's okay. Nothing sinister going on on our end. We're just a radio show hoping to talk to you.
Alexis
Yeah. Hey, Doug.
Jeffrey
What's up, bro?
Doug
What's up? What's going on here?
Jeffrey
Yeah, what's going on is a segment we do called the Second Date Update, and you're gonna be our featured star for the day.
Doug
No, I don't believe you.
Jeffrey
Doug, I think you're more excited than you're letting on because we're trying to hook you up with one of our listeners who you've already been out on a date with, and she just wants to see you one more time. Her name's May.
Doug
Are you kidding me?
Alexis
No.
Doug
Oh. Oh, my.
Jeffrey
That was a good surprise.
Alexis
Yeah, she sounds darling. It sounds like you guys had a great time together.
Jeffrey
Yeah, with all the noises. Zug. She's into you. That's. That's a good thing.
Alexis
I thought dating was so hard for you. Like, this is, like, you got one.
Doug
Sounds like you guys know a lot about me.
Jeffrey
Yeah, well, we've heard some stuff from you, from May herself. She. We asked her to describe your date, and she had glowing reviews. Honestly.
Alexis
She said you're really funny and she.
Jeffrey
Thought your profile's funny, too.
Doug
Yeah, she talked about the profile?
Alexis
Yeah.
Jeffrey
Yeah, it came up. Yeah. That you had a funny joke about the girl in your picture.
Alexis
Well, we asked because we thought that the girl was a red flag.
Jeffrey
Yeah.
Alexis
Yeah, you should change that.
Jeffrey
Once we clarified that's not the reason why we're calling. We're not calling to criticize your dating profile.
Alexis
It is fun, though.
Jeffrey
Yeah, we could, but no, we're really focused on May because she's really confused. She wants to see you. She feels like she's been reaching out, trying to arrange a date, and you keep avoiding her.
Alexis
Is she reading that right?
Doug
I mean, she does keep suggesting nights, you know.
Alexis
Yeah, yeah, that's usually when you say, yeah, Friday works great for me.
Jeffrey
Unless you're not into her or if there's some other problem or you're married.
Doug
The last two Friday nights, she asked to see my band, and, like, she wants to come see Me perform and, like, grab a drink afterwards.
Alexis
That's nice.
Jeffrey
You have a show.
Alexis
She's even interested in, like, your hobbies.
Jeffrey
Why are you saying. You're saying it like it's a bad thing?
May
I don't.
Alexis
I don't.
Doug
I don't. I didn't know how to answer her. Like, what do you mean?
May
You know, she was even asking for.
Doug
A one on one concert at my place.
Jeffrey
That's her flirting with you, Doug. That means she wants to see you and probably do.
Alexis
I don't have lights and equipment for this.
Jeffrey
I don't have a stage in my house.
Alexis
Too much pressure.
Jeffrey
You probably got to put on an entire concert. She just is wanting to hang out.
Alexis
I don't think she cares about the music quality.
Jeffrey
She wants to make out with you, bro.
Doug
Well, there's pressure when, like, she thinks that I know how to play guitar, you know, Like, I'm not really in a band. Like, I'm not. I'm not really musical at all.
Jeffrey
You said you're not in a band. You told her that you're in a band?
Doug
Well, I needed something to sound cool, like, and make me stand out.
Jeffrey
Oh, no, this is. Oh, my God.
Alexis
That's not what you chose. Do something that you actually do. I'm sure there's something cool about you.
Doug
Yeah, there's cool things about me.
May
Like.
Doug
Well, you gotta have something.
May
Like, okay.
Doug
Really sticks out. You know, you're trying to stand.
Alexis
Well, I mean, I get it. Like, you're in a. It's a lot of pressure. You're having a hard time dating, like, with the apps and stuff. You want to stand out, and then suddenly this lie is snowballing is what it sounds like.
Doug
Yeah. And I really liked her, and I didn't know what to do, and. Because she keeps asking me, like, she.
Jeffrey
Makes so much sense. That's why you're not getting this date. Because she's asking based on the lie that you've told her that you're in a ban and you're not.
Alexis
But that's a lot better lie than he was married. It really is true. Yeah.
Jeffrey
That Brick is right.
Alexis
I mean, it's kind of cute. You're trying to impress her, you know?
Jeffrey
And that's. That's a rough lie to go with, though. Like, if you're not in a band, how are you ever going to prove that?
Alexis
He panicked, Jeff. Okay? It was. The first thing that came to mind.
Doug
Is either go with that or be a Formula one race car driver.
Alexis
Oh, look at the driver.
Jeffrey
Now that is sexy.
Alexis
Those jackets are really in style right now.
Jeffrey
To girls to wear and a guy that lives dangerous dangerously on the racetrack. And no Americans watch. So you could say you're, like, from France.
Alexis
That's a good one.
Jeffrey
Why don't you go with that one, bud?
Alexis
Stop it.
Doug
At least I could have said I was in the off season right now.
Alexis
Yeah, just driving your Kia around. Hi.
May
I've heard enough.
Jeffrey
Oh. Oh, you have?
Doug
What? What?
Jeffrey
What? Yeah, Doug, if you didn't know, that's May, who's been listening on the other line right now.
Alexis
You're being honest now, whether you wanted to or not.
Jeffrey
Yeah, she knows.
Doug
Look, I'm. I'm sorry.
May
Like, I.
Doug
You are, like, so pretty and cool and, like, I just. I wanted you to like me. I just. I felt like I had to say something cool, you know?
May
That's really sweet. But also, we spent half of the time on our first date talking about your band.
Alexis
Oh, no, that's a lot, bro.
Doug
Here's the thing, though. Like, immediately after our date, like, I signed up for piano lessons.
Jeffrey
Band.
Alexis
Not quite as sexy. Usually the least sexy of a band is the keyboardist, but, you know.
Jeffrey
Did you say you played guitar in the band, though, Doug?
Doug
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the guitar lessons were more expensive.
Alexis
I'm gonna play the triangle, so May doesn't. May, do you feel like you know anything about him?
May
I know, like, a couple things about where he grew up and.
Doug
Look, it was just a band thing. Like, everything else was real.
Jeffrey
Did you hear that? Everything else he said was real. Like the wife in his photos.
Doug
No, not that.
Jeffrey
Okay, everything else. Except for that.
May
I don't need any big, fancy career or any, you know, super impressive hobby. I'm just looking for a really genuine, funny person.
Alexis
Yeah. And besides Doug, do you know that when she told us about the band, Alexis and I were both like, red flag.
Jeffrey
It's true. Red flag.
Alexis
It was a bad. You can't trust a guy in a band. Apparently, you can't trust a guy not in a band.
Brooke
Band.
Doug
And girls always love bad boys in bands.
Alexis
But not for long, my friend.
Jeffrey
Would you honestly have been interested him if he did not say he was in a band?
May
Yeah, the thing that attracted me to him was his humor and that he was funny.
Alexis
Well, did he come up with a good band name? Maybe he had a funny band name.
Jeffrey
Did he tell you?
May
Yeah, he did say it was called Chicken Noodle Soup.
Alexis
Chicken Noodle Soup.
Jeffrey
I like it. At the very least, May. Just talking to him now, he seems like a nice, sincere guy. He is. Coming clean. Yeah. Yeah. And, Doug, I'm gonna give you 20 seconds here to say your final piece before we offer to send you guys out on a day. What do you want to say to me?
Doug
I just. I should have been up front. I'm super sorry. If you give me a second chance, like, I'll just. Anything you want to know. Straight, honest truth. And I'll be my goofy, normal self. And you can either like me for that or not.
Alexis
Oh, that's good, Page.
Jeffrey
Plus, we're gonna offer to pay to send you guys out on another date. May. So what do you say?
May
I will say that I do not like liars. And I also am very attracted to people who are super secure with themselves and who they are. However, I really enjoy talking to you, and so I will give you a second chance.
Alexis
I feel like you didn't need to mention those first points. I think she said she's setting boundaries. Yeah.
Jeffrey
Okay. So it's a pity. Yes.
May
No. I see. No, it's a yes. I want to go on a second date.
Jeffrey
It's a roundabout way to say she's so excited to see you again, she can't wait to hear your first piano lesson. Once you figure it out.
Alexis
Yes.
Doug
Man, you have no idea, having this lie off my back, how less stressed I feel.
Alexis
Oh, that's really sweet.
Doug
We can get together on Friday if you want.
Alexis
Oh, now you're free. Very free.
Jeffrey
All right.
Alexis
Piano lessons are weekdays.
Jeffrey
And your wife's cool with that, Doug?
Doug
Yes, my wife Javier is a funny guy.
Brooke
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Jeffrey
That may be the first self admitting outright liar on our show that our listeners were actually rooting for.
Alexis
So sweet, you know. And like earnest. He was really earnest about the whole thing.
Jeffrey
You can tell he really was just like so nervous because he liked her so much. Just had to make up an excuse.
Alexis
Yeah.
Jeffrey
It just goes to show if you lie and you do get caught, try to sound as pathetic and helpless as you possibly can and people will feel so bad for you that they'll actually be on your team.
Alexis
You're not wrong. Or just have a good apology. That's what he had you to God. He wasn't pathetic.
Jeffrey
He even won over Brooke which is hard for any man to do. Even the non liars. So good for him. Seriously good on him. Make sure to hit up our YouTube Tik Tok our Instagram at Brooke and Jeffrey to see clips from our show so you can lie to your next date and say that you're one of us and they'll believe you.
Alexis
I'm Brooke.
Jeffrey
I buy it.
Alexis
I don't know if you get more.
Jeffrey
Dates with that one of us maybe. Anyway, you can always listen to our show up on our podcast wherever you get yours at Brooke and Jeffrey Brooke.
Brooke
And Jeffrey in the morning.
Jeffrey
It's common to scope out a restaurant before you bring a date there.
Alexis
Yeah, for sure.
Jeffrey
You want to make sure the menu is good and the ambiance is right. The mechanical bowl isn't too wild.
Alexis
Gotta have a chance to set the record.
May
Yeah, chick's excited.
Alexis
Knows how to win over a man.
Jeffrey
I'm not impressed. That date. Best Olive Garden ever. But is it still good if you're only going to make sure there aren't very many security cameras? Cameras. One of our listeners swears he has a very good reason that's totally not sketchy at all for wanting to make sure the place is extra, extra private.
Alexis
It's always good when you have to say that.
Jeffrey
Let's keep an open mind because we're gonna hear him out in your second date update. Right after this second date update, a lot of so called dating experts will tell you that it's good to bond over things that you both love.
Alexis
Yeah. Why did you use dating experts in quotes like that is true, Jeff?
Jeffrey
Well, I'm saying like the same TV shows, same sports teams. Yeah, that's good. Same mom.
Alexis
What?
Jeffrey
No, I don't know if I really trust that line of thinking. One of our listeners says he was drawn to a woman based on what they both hate. And that actually sounds healthier to me.
Alexis
That can bring you together.
Jeffrey
So I don't say this often. Often, but let's spread the hate today and talk to Ethan and learn about his date. Ethan, welcome to the show.
Alexis
Oh, Ethan.
Doug
Hey guys, thanks for having me.
Alexis
Thankful after that slogan of the day.
Jeffrey
Okay, since we're spreading hate, everyone, let's go around the room and say, who do you hate? Yeah, Brooke. No, before we do that, I like that idea for that exercise. First let's talk to Ethan about what he hates and how that bonded him to the girl that he met. What's her name, by the way? You go first is what he says.
Doug
Well, her name is is Aria and she got me laughing over her first line which was her biggest pet peeve is people who microwave fish at work.
Jeffrey
Brooke.
Alexis
I stopped bringing in salmon.
Jeffrey
Okay, and where did she say that line?
Doug
Oh, it's on her dating profile.
Jeffrey
Okay, so you saw that and you were like, this is my type of woman.
Alexis
Exactly, and it's probably a good opening, right? Like for you to strike up a conversation.
Doug
Yeah, because there's actually a guy that does that at my work.
Alexis
So we kind of bonded talking about bad smelling food. Yeah, right. Hot fish, Alexis. Stick with it.
Jeffrey
Every office has at least one of those people. But that's cool to bond over that.
Doug
It was an opening to see her personality and man, she's funny. And we just got along so well after that.
Alexis
That's awesome. What a great start.
Jeffrey
Sense of humor is so important for sure. Well, not for everybody. Some people all bond over how much they hate humor. Yeah, but like, did you just tell a joke?
Doug
No.
Brooke
Good.
Alexis
How dare you Laug.
Jeffrey
But okay. You guys end up meeting up for a date?
Doug
Yeah, I wanted to pick a place like a restaurant so I could get to know her. A place that wasn't crowded and that's important to me. Just us focusing on getting to know each other.
Jeffrey
What do you that's good, bro?
Alexis
I don't know. I get worried about that. Non crowded places mean bad food to me.
Jeffrey
But I think the positive, though, is quiet and you get a little bit more intimate and you can actually talk.
Alexis
The whole staff was probably listening to every word you said in the conversation. I mean, it's dead quiet to be.
Jeffrey
As a first stage.
Alexis
I love sitting next to a first date and e dropping in.
Jeffrey
Okay, well, it's nice that you got exactly what you wanted. How did it go?
Doug
It went well. And I'm also not a fan of cameras.
Alexis
Cameras.
Jeffrey
Okay. We have a lot of things that you hate so far. You want it? Is there a bounty out?
Alexis
See, I was taking some sort of FBI watch list too.
Jeffrey
So far you hate people that microwave their fish, you hate big crowds, and you hate cameras.
Doug
Yeah.
Alexis
What's the cameras deal? Explain that.
Doug
Well, security cams, like businesses and restaurants, they have so many. They capture your image and they can use it for anything.
Alexis
They also usually don't work. Yeah, restaurant. They're all fake.
Jeffrey
I feel you, though. The people at the radio station use my image on stuff all the time and it's really annoying.
Alexis
No, he's talking about the promotional pictures everywhere around here.
Jeffrey
It's on like the cars, it's on the flyers. Give me some spirit space. I'd like some privacy.
Alexis
Pretty big in it. Looks like you like it.
Jeffrey
I'm with you though, bro. People daily and want privacy.
Alexis
Tell her the thing about how you hated security cameras.
Doug
No, I like to scout that out ahead of time.
Jeffrey
Okay. Okay.
Alexis
You go and see before you go.
Jeffrey
He's thorough, Brooke. He does his research and decides if he likes a place before he takes there. I think that's a good thing. Imagine he puts up security cameras to look at their security camera.
Alexis
So were you able to bond over more stuff you hate at dinner or what?
Doug
We talked about traveling and hobbies.
Alexis
Okay.
Doug
Like, I like to work out and run and she likes to play tennis.
Alexis
Oh, sweet. That's awesome. You're both active people.
Jeffrey
Yeah, but you don't. You hate walking. Yeah. Running.
Alexis
Only wants to run from the authorities after they catch him on the security cams.
Doug
I'm really a positive person. I don't know why. There's just some things that bug me, that's all.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Alexis
Okay.
Doug
Yeah.
Alexis
And we kind of really lean into that with you.
Jeffrey
How did the date end?
Doug
Basically, after the meal, we left and I asked her, I don't live far from here. Would you Be up for coming over and having a drink and hanging out.
Alexis
Okay. All right.
Jeffrey
A little forward.
Brooke
That's nice.
Alexis
Guessing you're figuring you're reading the room, right? You know, like she's into it?
Doug
She said, yeah.
Jeffrey
Sweet. Good. Nice.
Doug
She must have had second thoughts, though, because a few minutes later, as we were walking and just having a good conversation, she said, you know what? On second thought, I gotta get up for work in the morning, so I gotta go. And I was like, are you sure? And she said, yeah.
Jeffrey
Really? I don't know.
Alexis
I think it's fair. I think it could have been one of those moments where it's like, you got the devil and the angel on your shoulder, and then the devil's like, do it.
Jeffrey
It'll be fun.
Alexis
Angel's like, no, you have a meeting in the morning. Don't.
Jeffrey
Yeah. What do you think, Ethan? You think she was being honest with you? That she really had to go work the next day?
Doug
I'm not so sure. And it's been like eight or nine days since then, and it feels like things have shifted. So I don't know why, and I need your help to figure it out.
Alexis
Right. What did you do with that? 30 seconds to make her change her mind?
Jeffrey
Yeah. What were you talking about? You were like, hey, I have 13 security cameras in my house.
Alexis
By the way, ring doorbells.
Jeffrey
That's right.
Alexis
No, he doesn't like the security camera.
Jeffrey
Oh, that's right. So maybe that's what he said. Hey, by the way, I have no security cameras.
Alexis
There's no traces of me anywhere.
Doug
I mean, we didn't talk about security cameras like that at all.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Alexis
Okay, good. That's good.
Jeffrey
That's.
Alexis
Pos. That is a good thing.
Jeffrey
Well, let's find out what made her change her mind and decide to turn around halfway over to your place. We'll get you your second date update with Arya. Right after this second date update, we're talking to Ethan, who we learned is not a fan of microwaved fish. Large crowds or security cameras.
Alexis
Got three things that really go together well.
Jeffrey
But good news is he is a big fan of Arya, the woman that he went out with the other night. And it went great until the very end of the evening when she changed her mind on the walk over to his place and said, actually, never mind. I need to get home and sleep because I have to work tomorrow.
Alexis
Yeah, he was fine with that. He just wasn't fine with her not calling.
Jeffrey
Yeah, cuz that was eight days ago, and I don't know what she does for work that could keep her occupied for eight straight days and nights, but it seems like something is up, right? Streamer. Like me, she could do one of those marathon streams. Or she doesn't get off until she gets a certain amount of subs. That seems highly likely, yes. Okay, probably not. Or she, like, works on a submarine out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. There's just no service out there. Yeah. An astronaut of some sort. We didn't ask what she did for a living. I know a streamer.
Alexis
I know a biologist who has to track like, 60 miles into the wilderness to follow some arctic foxes.
Jeffrey
Do you think we're close on any of these guesses? Ethan?
Doug
That's a good question. I think. I think he could be. Who knows?
Jeffrey
You never found out what she did?
Alexis
Yeah. You're saying during an entire dinner date, you didn't ask?
Doug
I'm just kidding. I think she's in marketing.
Jeffrey
Okay, Marketing submarines and marketing rocket ships. So that's totally different. But I don't know.
Alexis
Can I just add real quick because you sound like a really private guy. I think it's really cool that you're going out on a limb and calling us for help. And, like, I mean, I think it means. Means a lot.
Jeffrey
Translation, if this doesn't work out, Brooke is interested.
Alexis
No, that is, not.
Jeffrey
Heavily.
Alexis
Heavily.
Doug
I appreciate that.
Jeffrey
Alex normally hates all the men. Let's call this lady and see if she's willing to give you another shot. Here we go.
Doug
Thank you.
Jeffrey
Yeah, we got you. Hold on.
May
Hello.
Jeffrey
Hi. We're looking to speak with Aria.
May
That's me.
Alexis
Oh, aren't you pleasant?
Jeffrey
It's nice to talk to a friendly person on this every once in a while. We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. I don't know if you've heard of us.
Doug
Uh. Oh.
Jeffrey
Oh, no, don't worry. It's not. We're not doing a bad thing.
Alexis
I don't think Brooke is so cute.
May
What's going on here, guys?
Jeffrey
We were doing this thing on our show called the Second Date Update Date, and we're trying to help out one of our listeners that you met up with about a week ago. A little bit more than that. His name's Ethan.
May
Oh, my gosh.
Jeffrey
Wait.
May
Actually, yeah.
Jeffrey
Yeah, yeah.
May
Are you sure?
Alexis
Are we sure? We're absolutely sure. We talked to Ethan.
Jeffrey
Yeah.
May
Okay. I'm very, very surprised by that.
Jeffrey
Really? Are you?
May
Yes.
Alexis
Maybe. He's a hard guy to read. You know, like how he's feeling.
Jeffrey
Yeah. What makes. Why Are you surprised?
May
Okay, so he just. He seems like a very private person, you know?
Jeffrey
Yeah, we spoke to him. We got that impression too. So I guess I can understand why you're a little bit surprised that he would come through a radio show to reach you.
Alexis
I mean, we even actually applauded him for doing it. He's going out on a limb just because he likes you so much.
May
That's very, very sweet. Okay.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Alexis
That's a positive.
Jeffrey
I feel like he maybe is a sweet guy. He's also a confused guy right now because it's been eight days since you hung out and he doesn't really have an explanation for why the two of you haven't met up again.
Alexis
Yeah, and we were even debating in studio whether or not you really had work the next morning or you just made that up as an excuse.
May
No, I really, I did.
Alexis
Okay.
May
It was a convenient excuse.
Alexis
Yeah, both things can be true. We didn't think about that part.
Jeffrey
We're like, wait, she actually has a job? That's the problem. So why did you need to use an excuse?
May
You're not gonna believe me. Okay, really?
Jeffrey
Wait a minute. It's unbelievable what you're about to say.
May
I mean, I told a couple of my best friends this and they couldn't believe it. I kind of couldn't believe it when it happened either.
Alexis
Wait, what happened?
Jeffrey
Now we're interested. Yeah, you got to tell us.
May
Okay, so we just had dinner, we're walking, and I thought, okay, like, maybe we're gonna go back to his place, huh?
Alexis
Wait, you can't laugh through it because I can't always understand what you're saying.
Doug
Sorry.
May
I'm so sorry.
Jeffrey
We don't like laughing on this show.
Alexis
No, I love laughing. I just want to hear, like the moment what happened.
May
He said, if we do that, what? You're going to have to sign an NDA.
Alexis
Wait, what? Oh, wait, no, he was joking.
Jeffrey
No, only celebrities do.
May
Yeah.
Jeffrey
You said NDA, like a non disclosure agreement. Thanks for explaining it.
May
Actually, what I thought he said at first was because this made more sense to me was, do you like the NBA?
Alexis
Oh, NBA, like the basketball station. Yeah.
May
No, I couldn't possibly care less, but started be like, oh, like I don't really like sports. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. And then again repeated NDA.
Jeffrey
What?
May
And I just have never been that confused in my life.
Alexis
Did he explain why? Why did he want an NDA?
May
Kind of. So I'm like, I feel so stupid for asking this. Like, are you famous? I don't. Like, I feel bad for not knowing, but are you or something? He goes, no, but my dad is somebody.
Alexis
My dad is somebody.
Jeffrey
Okay, and that didn't make you want to sign the NDA even more just to, like, figure that out?
Alexis
And why is he gonna bring his dad up and tell you stuff about his dad that you'd have to sign an NDA for?
Doug
Hey, guys, can we just stop this for a second? I don't like the way this is going.
Jeffrey
Oh, hello there. Well, we were just getting to the good stuff. I felt like.
Alexis
Wait, did we sign an NDA before this?
Doug
No.
May
What is happening right now?
Jeffrey
Oh, Aria.
Doug
Hey, Aria.
Jeffrey
We didn't mention to you before, but that is Ethan, who's been waiting on the other line wanting talk to you.
Alexis
And he heard everything.
May
Seriously? Oh, my God.
Doug
Yeah. I didn't know that bothered you. And I think I told you I don't go on dates a lot. Like maybe once or twice a year. But the ones that I do, all the women that come back to my place have no problem signing the NDA. Oh, that's.
Alexis
That's not a good start, Ethan. All the other women I bring back love to sign it.
Jeffrey
Yeah, he's being honest. Honest. And he's clearly a wanted man. Subject A through Z have all.
May
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
Alexis
I mean, let's. Let's reword that a little bit. Ethan.
Doug
Sure. It's just whoever I hang out with, I have them do that. And I'm surprised you would bring it up on the radio.
Alexis
Well.
May
Well, first of all, I did not plan on being on the radio. I really liked you and I really wanted to hang out again. But you must understand that nobody does that. I promise you. Maybe like a super famous person or like a criminal or something.
Jeffrey
Or a criminal. I don't think the criminals really do that.
May
It's not a normal thing.
Jeffrey
Well, I think you're kind of selling it to yourself there, because all of the best parties and events that I've ever been to made me sign NDAs.
Alexis
Especially the criminal ones.
Jeffrey
Well, I would tell you more, but I'm technically not allowed to. Allowed to speak on that. So.
Alexis
Wait, aren't you dying of curiosity of who his dad is? Like, I feel like I'd sign it just to find out.
May
Honestly, it just seemed fake to me.
Jeffrey
That he's really, like, has a famous dad.
Doug
You don't believe me? That I'm rich and famous? Come on.
May
Then. I'm surprised we went to that restaurant, but.
Doug
Okay. Okay.
Jeffrey
Exactly. No, it fits the profile. He doesn't like to be caught on camera. He doesn't like to be seen in big crowds. He wants to go to places that are under the radar so that nobody knows who he is.
Alexis
And all the rich and famous people need our help getting another date.
Jeffrey
It's true.
Alexis
Everybody in Hollywood knows.
Jeffrey
Aria, you should really rethink your decision here. I would like to offer to send you out on another date with mysterious Ethan to find out.
Doug
Hey, hey, hey. Before she answers, I need to let you know I think I'm out. She just doesn't value privacy as much as I do.
Jeffrey
Do what she says. Yes.
Doug
Yeah, I think I'm done before I.
May
Had the chance to say it. Great.
Jeffrey
Wow.
Doug
That's it?
Jeffrey
Are you kidding me?
Doug
We're done.
Alexis
Dude, this is going to kill me. Alexis, when you go out, I'll sign anything.
Jeffrey
But then you can't tell anyone.
Alexis
She can tell me. Can I text it? Not say it out loud?
Jeffrey
Yes. There's always loopholes in these NDAs, guys.
Doug
Thanks for trying. I appreciate it, but I've got to go though.
Alexis
I knew that was happening.
Jeffrey
Oh my God. Oh, God. He hung up.
May
What just happened?
Alexis
What just happened is we didn't get any answers.
Jeffrey
What just happened is you lost your chance with Ben Stiller's son is what happened. Sean Stiller. Ethan Stiller. Oh, that's right.
Brooke
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Jeffrey
I don't want to get mad at people for saying no. I mean, that's totally their right. But sometimes you need to pull a brook and drop your morals and just say yes to someone that you don't even like. Just for the story.
Alexis
Yeah. You do it for the plot. That's right. I feel like I was the originator of that.
May
That slogan.
Jeffrey
Yes.
Alexis
Really. I've been doing that for decades. Alexis. Just for the plot.
Jeffrey
How many basement boys and homeless folks did you go out with just to come into the radio and tell that story?
Alexis
But they're such good stories. And they were good people, sort of.
Jeffrey
I feel like girls date me for the plot. He always got a story.
Alexis
It's fun. And I got. I want closure on this so bad.
Jeffrey
I know now we're never going to know who the NDA guy really is. Is. And that is going to haunt all of us for the rest of our year and probably the rest of our lives.
Alexis
It is kind of a baller move if it's just a lie to say that you have to sign an NDA.
Jeffrey
Because it's like, I can't tell you.
Alexis
Is it baller if you can't get a date, though?
Jeffrey
If you can't get a date, NDA or not, you can always reach out to us. We'll call that person who's not calling you back. And if you want to go, check out all of our second date updates. They're available on podcast wherever you get yours at Brook and Jeff get festive.
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Episode: "Strings of Deceit + Claus for Concern"
iHeartPodcasts | Nov 15, 2025
This "Second Date Update Classics" episode features two memorable stories of modern dating gone hilariously awry: "Strings of Deceit" and "Claus for Concern." The hosts (Brooke, Jeffrey, Alexis, and frequent producer Doug) track down the real reasons why singles are getting ghosted after seemingly promising first dates. The atmosphere is light, witty, and packed with self-deprecating humor that pokes fun at both dating mishaps and the participants themselves.
(Starts 03:44)
Topic: May can’t reach Doug after a good first date. The crew investigates Doug’s red flags—specifically, a mysterious woman in his profile photo and his claim to be in a band.
Dating Profile Red Flags:
May’s Initial Contact with Doug:
The First Date:
Suspicions and Irony:
Doug’s Reluctance:
The Lie Revealed:
May’s Response:
(Starts 24:03)
Topic: Ethan had a great date with Aria, bonding over mutual “hates” (like people microwaving fish at work and crowded spots). Mid-walk to his place post-date, Aria suddenly bails, and Ethan is left confused—and now getting ghosted.
Date Setup:
Ethan’s Quirks:
The Sudden Bail:
Aria's Reason for Ghosting:
Memorable Exchange:
Aria’s Reaction:
Mutual Goodbye:
Strings of Deceit: Doug was ghosting May because he lied about being in a band to impress her; after a wave of awkwardness and honesty, May agrees to a second date—with boundaries set about honesty from now on.
Claus for Concern: Ethan’s obsession with privacy and his demand for an NDA before bringing Aria home (plus hinting cryptically that his “dad is somebody”) weirded Aria out enough to ghost him—until they both mutually agree, on air, that they are not a match.
Notable, Memorable Quote:
"You don't have to be in a band. You just have to be yourself—and maybe don't lie about any musical abilities next time." – Alexis, recapping the theme of both updates.
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