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Brooke
The home of the second date update. It is Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and thanks for being here on the podcast. Yes, you know I love all the comments we've been getting from all over the world and I think this one really sums up what these second dates are. Nicola Huber in Brazil wrote the call just gets worse and worse. Oh, it's true, it does. It's like a guilty pleasure listening though. You know, we love when you comment. We love when you subscribe even more. So please, please do it. And hey, just sit back and enjoy the second date update. It's brand new and it starts right now.
Advertiser 2
Second date update. A lot of so called dating experts will tell you that it's good to bond over things that you both love.
Brooke
Yeah, why did you use dating experts in quotes like that is true, Jeff?
Advertiser 2
Well, I'm saying like the same TV shows, same sports teams.
Brooke
Yeah.
Advertiser 2
Same mom.
Brooke
What?
Advertiser 2
No, I don't know if I really trust that line of thinking. One of our listeners says he was drawn to a woman based on what they both hate.
Brooke
Oh.
Advertiser 2
And that actually sounds healthier to me.
Brooke
That can bring you together.
Advertiser 2
So I don't say this often, but let's spread the hate today and talk to Ethan and learn about his date. Ethan, welcome to the show.
Brooke
Oh, Ethan.
Ethan
Hey guys, thanks for having me.
Brooke
Really thankful after that slogan of the day.
Jeffrey
Okay, since we're spreading hate, everyone, let's go around the room and say, who do you hate?
Advertiser 2
Brooke. No, before we do that, I like that idea for that exercise. First, let's talk to Ethan about what he hates and how that bonded him to the girl that he met. What's her name, by the way?
Jeffrey
You go first is what he says.
Ethan
Well, her name is Aria and she got me laughing over her first line, which was her biggest pet peeve is people who microwave fish at work.
Jeffrey
Brooke.
Brooke
I stopped bringing in salmon.
Advertiser 2
Okay, and where did she say that line?
Ethan
Oh, it's on her dating profile.
Advertiser 2
Okay, so you saw that and you were like, this is my type of woman.
Brooke
Well, it's probably a good opening, right? Like for you to strike up a conversation.
Ethan
Yeah, because there's actually a guy that does that at my work. So we kind of bonded.
Brooke
Talking about bad smelling food. Yeah. Hot fish, Alexis. Stick with it.
Advertiser 2
Every office has at least one of those people. But that's cool to bond over that.
Ethan
It was an opening to see her personality and man, she's funny. And we just got along so well after that.
Brooke
That's awes. What a great start.
Jeffrey
Sense of humor, so important for everybody.
Advertiser 2
Some people all bond over how much they hate humor.
Jeffrey
Yeah, they're like, did you just tell a joke? No. Good.
Brooke
How dare you laugh.
Advertiser 2
But okay. You guys end up meeting up for a date.
Ethan
Yeah, I wanted to pick a place like a restaurant so I could get to know her. A place that wasn't crowded. And that's important to me. Just us focusing on getting to know each other.
Brooke
What do you.
Jeffrey
That's good, bro?
Brooke
I don't know. I get worried about that. Non crowded places mean bad food to me.
Advertiser 2
I think the positive, though, is quiet it and you get a little bit more intimate and you can actually talk.
Brooke
The whole staff is probably listening to every word you said. The conversation, I mean, it's dead quiet. I love sitting next to a first date and e dropping in.
Advertiser 2
Okay, well, it's nice that you got exactly what you wanted. How did it go?
Ethan
It went well. And I'm also not a fan of cameras.
Brooke
Cameras.
Advertiser 2
Okay. We have a lot of things that you hate.
Jeffrey
So far, you want it? Is there a bounty out camera?
Brooke
See, I was taking some sort of FBI watch list too.
Advertiser 2
So far you hate people that microwave their fish, you hate big crowds, and you hate cameras.
Ethan
Yeah.
Brooke
What's the cameras deal? Explain that.
Ethan
Well, security cams, like businesses and restaurants, they have so many. They capture your image and they can use it for anything.
Brooke
They also usually don't work.
Advertiser 3
Yeah, I worked in a restaurant.
Brooke
They're all fake.
Advertiser 2
I feel you, though. The people at the radio station use my image on stuff all the time, and it's really annoying.
Jeffrey
Security cameras?
Brooke
No, he's talking about the promotional pictures.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, everywhere around here it's on. Like the cars, it's on the flyers. Give me some space. I'd like some flyers.
Brooke
Pretty big in it. It looks like you like it.
Advertiser 2
I'm with you, though, bro.
Jeffrey
People daily and want privacy.
Advertiser 2
Not on camera.
Brooke
Did you tell her the thing about how you hated security cameras?
Ethan
No, I like to scout that out ahead of time. Okay, you go.
Brooke
And see, before you go.
Advertiser 2
He's thorough, Brooke. He does his research and decides if he likes a place before he takes there. I think that's a good thing.
Jeffrey
I imagine he puts up security cameras to look at their security cameras.
Brooke
So were you able to bond over more stuff you hate at dinner or what?
Ethan
We talk about traveling and hobbies.
Brooke
Okay.
Ethan
Like, I like to work out and run and she likes to play tennis.
Brooke
Oh, sweet. That's awesome. You're both active people.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, but you don't. You hate walking.
Brooke
Yeah.
Advertiser 2
Running.
Brooke
Only likes to run from the authorities after they catch him on the security cams.
Ethan
Yeah, I'm really a positive person. I don't know why. There's just some things that bug me, that's all.
Brooke
Okay. Yeah. And we kind of really leaned into that with you. Yeah.
Advertiser 2
How did the date End.
Ethan
Basically, after the meal, we left and I asked her, I don't live far from here. Would you be up for coming over, having a drink and hanging out?
Brooke
Okay.
Ethan
All right.
Advertiser 2
A little forward. That's nice.
Brooke
Guessing you're figuring you're reading the room, right? You know, like she's into it?
Ethan
She said, yeah.
Brooke
Sweet.
Jeffrey
Good.
Advertiser 2
Nice.
Ethan
She must have had second thoughts, though, because a few minutes later, as we were walking and just having a good conversation, she said, you know what? On second thought, I gotta get up for work in the morning, so I gotta go. And I was like, are you sure? And she said, yeah.
Advertiser 2
Really?
Ethan
I don't know.
Brooke
I think it's fair. I think it could have been one of those moments where it's like you got the devil and the angel on your shoulder, and then the devil's like, do it. It'll be fun. And the angel's like, no, you have a meeting in the morning. Don't.
Advertiser 2
What do you think, Ethan? You think she was being honest with you? That she really had to go work the next day?
Ethan
I'm not so sure. And it's been like eight or nine days since then, and it feels like things have shifted. So I don't know why, and I need your help to figure it out.
Brooke
Right. What did you do that 30 seconds to make her change her mind?
Ethan
Yeah.
Jeffrey
What were you talking about? You were like, hey, I. Thirteen security.
Brooke
Cameras in my house, by the way, ring doorbells.
Jeffrey
That's right.
Brooke
No, he doesn't like the security camera.
Jeffrey
Oh, that's right. So maybe that's what he said. Hey, by the way, I have no security cameras.
Brooke
There's no traces of me anywhere.
Ethan
I mean, we didn't talk about security cameras like that at all.
Brooke
Okay.
Advertiser 2
Okay.
Brooke
Okay, good. That's good. That's positive.
Jeffrey
That is a good thing.
Brooke
Yeah.
Advertiser 2
Well, let's find out what made her change her mind and decide to turn around halfway over to your place. We'll get you your second date update with Aria. Right after this second date update, we're talking to Ethan, who we learned is not a fan of microwaved fish, large crowds or security cameras.
Brooke
Three things that really go together well.
Advertiser 2
But good news is he is a big fan of Aria, the woman that he went out with the other night. And it went great until the very end of the evening when she changed her mind on the walk over to his place and said, actually, never mind. I need to get home and sleep because I have to work tomorrow.
Brooke
Yeah, he was fine with that. He just wasn't fine with her not calling?
Advertiser 2
Yeah, because that was eight days ago. And I don't know what she does for work that could keep her occupied for eight straight days and nights, but it seems like something is up.
Jeffrey
Streamer. Like me, she could do one of those marathon streams or she doesn't get off until she gets a certain amount.
Advertiser 2
That seems highly likely, yes.
Jeffrey
Okay, probably not.
Advertiser 2
Or she, like, works on a submarine out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. There's just no service out there. Yeah, an astronaut of some sort. We didn't ask what she did for a living.
Jeffrey
I know a streamer.
Brooke
I know a biologist who has to track like, 60 miles into the wilderness to follow some arctic foxes.
Advertiser 2
Do you think we're close on any of these guesses, Ethan?
Ethan
Ah, that's a good question. I think. I think he could be. Who knows?
Advertiser 2
You never found out what she did?
Brooke
Yeah. You're saying during an entire dinner date you didn't ask?
Ethan
I'm just kidding. I think she's in marketing.
Advertiser 2
Okay, Marketing submarines and marketing rocket ships. So that's totally different. Different, but I don't know.
Brooke
Can I just add real quick because you sound like a really private guy. I think it's really cool that you're going out on a limb and calling us for help. And, like, I mean, I think it means a lot.
Advertiser 2
Translation, if this doesn't work out, Brooke is interested.
Ethan
I appreciate that.
Jeffrey
Alexis normally hates all the men.
Advertiser 2
Let's call this lady and see if she's willing to give you another shot. Here we go.
Ethan
Thank you.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, we got you. Hold on.
Aria
Hello?
Advertiser 2
Hi, we're looking to speak with Arya.
Aria
That's me.
Brooke
Oh, aren't you pleasant?
Advertiser 2
It's nice to talk to a friendly person on this every once in a while. We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. I don't know if you've heard of us.
Brooke
Oh.
Advertiser 2
Oh, no, don't worry. It's not. We're not doing a bad thing. I don't think so.
Brooke
Cute.
Aria
What's going on here, guys?
Advertiser 2
We were doing this thing on our show called the Second Date Update, and we're trying to help out one of our listeners that you met up with about a week ago. A little bit more than that. His name's Ethan.
Aria
Oh, my gosh. Wait. Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you sure?
Brooke
Are we sure? We're absolutely sure. We talked to Ethan.
Aria
Yeah. Okay. I'm very, very surprised by that.
Brooke
Really?
Advertiser 2
Are you?
Aria
Yes.
Brooke
Maybe. He's a hard guy to read. You know, like how he's Feeling?
Advertiser 2
Yeah. What makes. Why are you surprised?
Aria
Okay, so he just. He seems like a very private person, you know?
Advertiser 2
Yeah, we spoke to him. We got that impression too. So I guess I can understand why you're a little bit surpr that he would come through a radio show to reach you.
Brooke
I mean, we even actually applauded him for doing it. He's going out on a limb just because he likes you so much.
Aria
That's very, very sweet.
Brooke
Okay, that's a positive.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, I feel like he maybe is a sweet guy. He's also a confused guy right now because it's been eight days since you hung out and he doesn't really have an explanation for why the two of you haven't met up again.
Brooke
Yeah, and we were even debating in studio whether or not you really had work the next morning or you just made that up as an excuse.
Aria
No, I really, I did.
Brooke
Okay.
Aria
It was a convenient excuse.
Brooke
Both things can be true. We didn't think about that part.
Jeffrey
Yeah, like wait, she actually has a job? That's the problem.
Advertiser 2
So why did you need to use an excuse?
Aria
You're not gonna believe me. Okay, really?
Jeffrey
Wait a minute. It's unbelievable what you're about to say.
Aria
I mean, I told a couple of my best friends this and they couldn't believe it. I kind of couldn't believe it when it happened either.
Brooke
Wait, what happened?
Advertiser 2
Now we're interested. Yeah, you gotta tell us.
Aria
Okay, so we just had dinner, we're walking and I thought, okay, maybe we're gonna go back to his place.
Advertiser 2
Uh huh.
Brooke
Wait, you can't laugh through it because I can't always understand what you're saying.
Aria
Sorry. I'm so sorry.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, we don't like laughing on this.
Brooke
No, I love laughing. I just want to hear like the moment what happened.
Aria
He said if we do that, you're going to have to sign an NDA.
Brooke
Wait, what?
Advertiser 2
Oh wait, whoa, whoa.
Brooke
No, he was joking.
Jeffrey
No, only celebrities do that.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, you said NDA, like a non disclos disclosure agreement.
Jeffrey
Thanks for explaining.
Aria
Actually, what I thought he said at first was because this made more sense to me was, do you like the NBA?
Brooke
Oh, NBA, like the basketball station? Yeah.
Aria
No, I couldn't possibly care less. But I started be like, oh, like I don't really like sports. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. And then again repeated NBA what? And I just have never been that confused in my life.
Brooke
Did he explain why? Why did he want an NDA?
Aria
Kind of. So I'm like, I feel so stupid for asking this, like, are you famous? I don't like that for not knowing, but are you or something? He was.
Brooke
No.
Aria
But my dad is somebody.
Brooke
My dad is somebody.
Jeffrey
Okay.
Advertiser 2
And that didn't make you want to sign the NDA even more just to, like, figure that out?
Brooke
And why is he going to bring his dad up and tell you stuff about his dad that you'd have to sign an NDA for?
Ethan
Hey, guys, can we just stop this for a second? I don't like the way this is going.
Jeffrey
Oh, hello there.
Advertiser 2
When we were just getting to the good stuff, I felt like.
Brooke
Did we sign before this?
Advertiser 2
No.
Aria
What is happening right now?
Advertiser 2
Oh, Aria.
Ethan
Hey, Aria.
Advertiser 2
We didn't mention to you before, but that is Ethan, who's been waiting on the other line wanting to talk to.
Brooke
You, and he heard everything.
Aria
Seriously? Oh, my God.
Ethan
Yeah. I didn't know that bothered you. And I think I told you I don't go on dates a lot. Like maybe once or twice a year. But the ones that I do, all the women that come back to my place have no problem signing the NDA.
Brooke
Oh, that's not a good start, Ethan. All the other women I bring back love to sign it.
Advertiser 2
Yeah, he's being honest. And he's clearly a wanted man.
Jeffrey
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Aria
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
Brooke
I mean, let's. Let's reword that a little bit. Ethan.
Ethan
Sure. It's just whoever I hang out with, I have them do that. And I'm surprised you would bring it up on the radio.
Brooke
Well.
Aria
Well, first of all, I did not plan on being on the radio. Second, I really liked you and I really wanted to hang out again. But you must understand that nobody does that. I promise you. Maybe like. Like a super famous person or like a criminal or something.
Advertiser 2
Or a criminal. I don't think the criminals really do that.
Brooke
It's not.
Aria
It's not a normal thing.
Advertiser 2
Well, I think you're kind of selling it to yourself there, there, because all of the best parties and events that I've ever been to made me sign.
Brooke
NDAs, especially the criminal ones.
Advertiser 2
Well, I would tell you more, but I'm technically not allowed to speak on that. So.
Brooke
Wait, aren't you dying of curiosity of who his dad is? Like, I feel like I'd sign it just to find out.
Aria
Honestly, it just seemed fake to me.
Advertiser 2
You don't believe me that he's really, like, has a famous dad?
Ethan
You don't believe me that I'm rich and famous? Come on.
Aria
I mean, then I'm surprised we went to that restaurant, but.
Ethan
Okay, okay, Exactly.
Advertiser 2
No, it fits the profile. He doesn't like to be caught on camera. He doesn't like to be seen in big crowds. He wants to go to places that are under the radar so that nobody knows who he is.
Brooke
And all the rich and famous people need our help getting another date.
Jeffrey
It's true.
Brooke
Everybody in Hollywood knows.
Advertiser 2
Aria, you should really rethink your decision here. I would like to offer to send you out on another date with mysterious Ethan to find out.
Ethan
Hey, hey, hey. Before she answers, I need to let you know I think I'm out. She just doesn't value privacy as much as I do.
Advertiser 2
What?
Jeffrey
She says yes.
Ethan
Yeah, I think I'm done before I.
Aria
Have the chance to say it. Great.
Ethan
That's it.
Advertiser 2
Are you kidding me?
Ethan
We're done.
Brooke
Dude, this is gonna kill me. Alexis, will you go out? I'll sign anything, but then you can't tell anyone. She can tell me. Can I text? Not say it out loud? Yes.
Advertiser 2
There's always loopholes in these NDAs.
Ethan
Guys. Thanks for trying. I appreciate it, but I've got to go.
Jeffrey
I knew that was happening.
Advertiser 2
Oh, my God. Oh, God. He hung up.
Aria
What just happened?
Brooke
What just happened is we didn't get any answers.
Advertiser 2
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Ethan Stiller.
Jeffrey
Right.
Advertiser 2
Look at Jeffrey in the morning. I don't want to get mad at people for saying no. I mean, that's totally their right. But sometimes you need to pull a brook and drop your morals and just say yes to someone that you don't even like. Just for the story.
Brooke
Yeah. You do it for the plot. That's. I feel like I was the originator of that slogan. Really? I've been doing that for decades, Alexis. Just for the plot.
Advertiser 2
How many basement boys and homeless folks did you go out with just to come into the radio and tell that story?
Brooke
But they're such good stories. And they were good people, sort of.
Jeffrey
I feel like girls date me for the plot.
Advertiser 2
Right?
Jeffrey
He always got a story.
Brooke
It's fun. And I. God, I want closure on this so bad.
Jeffrey
I know.
Advertiser 2
Now we're never going to know who the NDA guy really is, and that is going to haunt all of us for the rest of our year and probably the rest of our lives.
Brooke
Dude, it is kind of a baller move if it's just a lie to say that you have decided to NDA. Is it baller if you can't get a date though if you can't get.
Advertiser 2
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Title: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Episode: Second Date Update: Claus For Concern
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
Release Date: February 10, 2025
In this episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update," Brooke and Jeffrey delve into the often tumultuous world of modern dating by following up on a listener's recent date experience. The hosts aim to provide insights, humor, and advice to help listeners navigate the challenges of securing that elusive second date. The episode, titled "Claus For Concern," centers around Ethan's attempt to understand why his promising first date with Aria fizzled out unexpectedly.
[02:06] Brooke:
Brooke kicks off the episode by acknowledging the global responses they've been receiving and introduces Ethan from their listener base. She highlights a comment from Nicola Huber in Brazil, describing the show's premise: "Ghosted after a first date? We call the person who isn't calling you back to find out the real reason why and get you a Second Date."
[03:00] Brooke:
Brooke and Jeffrey discuss common dating advice, such as bonding over shared interests. However, they take a contrarian view when a listener suggests bonding over shared dislikes might be more effective.
[03:24] Ethan:
Ethan shares his initial connection with Aria, sparked by her dating profile comment about disliking people who microwave fish at work. "Her biggest pet peeve is people who microwave fish at work," says Ethan ([03:11]). This peculiar shared disdain becomes the foundation of their bond.
[04:49] Ethan:
Ethan details the progression of their date planning. He chose a quiet restaurant to facilitate meaningful conversation: "I wanted to pick a place like a restaurant so I could get to know her. A place that wasn't crowded. And that's important to me. Just us focusing on getting to know each other."
[06:57] Ethan:
Despite a promising start, Ethan reveals that after dinner, he invited Aria back to his place for a drink. While initially receptive, Aria abruptly canceled, saying she needed to work the next morning: "She said, yeah. I don't know why, and I need your help to figure it out."
[11:00] Introduction of Aria:
Brooke and Jeffrey facilitate a surprise call with Aria to uncover the true reason behind the sudden cancellation. Aria appears startled but maintains a friendly demeanor initially.
[13:19] Aria’s Revelation:
Aria recounts the confusing moment from the date:
Aria: "He said if we do that, you're going to have to sign an NDA." ([15:03])
This unexpected request throws her off, leading to suspicions about Ethan's true identity.
[14:24] Confusion Over NDA:
Aria elaborates on her confusion, trying to make sense of why Ethan would ask her to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) after just one date.
Aria: "I felt so stupid for asking this, like, are you famous?" ([14:35])
[15:28] Ethan’s Interruption:
Ethan joins the conversation, revealing that he had been listening in and challenging the legitimacy of his interaction with Aria.
Ethan: "I didn't know that bothered you. And I think I told you I don't go on dates a lot." ([15:14])
[16:19] Aria’s Skepticism:
Aria expresses her discomfort with the NDA request, emphasizing its unorthodox nature in typical dating scenarios.
Aria: "I really liked you and I really wanted to hang out again. But you must understand that nobody does that. Maybe like a super famous person or like a criminal or something." ([16:35])
[17:00] The Fallout:
Ethan decides to end the conversation abruptly, feeling that Aria doesn't value his privacy as much as he does.
Ethan: "I appreciate that, but I've got to go." ([17:55])
[18:08] Hosts’ Reflection:
Brooke and Jeffrey reflect on the perplexing situation, acknowledging that Ethan's insistence on privacy may have been misconstrued, leading to Aria's withdrawal from pursuing a second date.
The episode wraps up with Brooke and Jeffrey discussing the mysterious circumstances that led to the abrupt end of Ethan and Aria's budding connection. They humorously speculate on Ethan's background, suggesting playful possibilities like working on a submarine or being a streamer, though none seem to fit convincingly.
[19:00] Brooke:
"Everybody in Hollywood knows," highlighting the layers of mystery surrounding Ethan's persona and the potential reasons behind Aria's hesitation.
[19:04] Jeffrey:
He muses, "Now we're never going to know who the NDA guy really is, and that is going to haunt all of us for the rest of our year and probably the rest of our lives," emphasizing the unresolved nature of the situation.
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Ethan on Shared Dislikes:
"Her biggest pet peeve is people who microwave fish at work." ([03:11])
Ethan on Date Planning:
"I wanted to pick a place like a restaurant so I could get to know her. A place that wasn't crowded. And that's important to me." ([04:49])
Aria on NDA Confusion:
"I felt so stupid for asking this, like, are you famous?" ([14:35])
Ethan on Ending the Call:
"I didn't know that bothered you. And I think I told you I don't go on dates a lot." ([15:14])
Jeffrey on the Mystery of Ethan:
"Now we're never going to know who the NDA guy really is, and that is going to haunt all of us for the rest of our year and probably the rest of our lives." ([19:04])
Unconventional Bonding:
Bonding over shared dislikes can be as effective, if not more, than focusing solely on common interests.
Importance of Transparency:
Ethan's use of an NDA, whether genuine or a misguided attempt at humor, highlights the necessity of clear and honest communication in dating.
Perceptions of Privacy:
Balancing privacy with openness is crucial. Overemphasis on secrecy may raise suspicions and hinder relationship growth.
Humor in Dating:
While humor can break the ice, misunderstandings can occur if jokes are misinterpreted or taken out of context.
Seek Closure:
The episode underscores the value of seeking closure and understanding in dating scenarios, even when outcomes are uncertain or disappointing.
"Second Date Update: Claus For Concern" offers a candid and humorous exploration of the complexities involved in post-first-date scenarios. Through Ethan and Aria's story, Brooke and Jeffrey shed light on the delicate balance between maintaining personal boundaries and fostering genuine connections. Listeners are left pondering the fine line between privacy and transparency in the pursuit of meaningful relationships.
Stay tuned for more updates and stories on "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update," available on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify.