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And I had the opportunity to talk to Davey Brown with women, any kind of thing where there might be this underlying edge of self sacrifice as martyrdom. If you're never filling, you're telling yourself a story and you're actually avoiding what you should be doing. You gotta get in. You gotta get your hands dirty. Listen to a really good cry on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen. We do not want you to live in regret. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning and the Second Date Podcast. And you only have until June 1st to get your Second Date update. Mer for a cause. Oh, and that is coming up quick. It's coming up real quick. And it's so cute. We've got a hoodie, we got a crew neck sweatshirt. We got the t shirt. And 100 of the proceeds are going to incredible organization called Convoy of Hope that's just doing great work in our communities. So please go buy. We don't make a penny from it. We just want you to look cool and do good. You know, that is in the show notes. And also you can go to brookeandjeffrey.com if you don't see the show notes. So there it is. And do we have a comment before we get to the second date? Yes. Someone actually texted him from TE Texas the other day saying about a second date. I feel like the dude dodged a bullet with this chick. She's insane. Then texted again. Let me rephrase that. He didn't dodge a bullet. He dodged an atomic bomb. Let's see what atomic bombs we have in store today. Yeah, that's right. All right, let's get this second date started. Second date update. It's funny. People in dating apps are just like Goldilocks and the three Bears. Some people are very hot and use them all the time, like most of the kids in the promo department here. Others, they're a little more medium. Like someone in this room who only goes on when her husband's out of town. Wait, what? That was me. You're the Only I just said someone. I guess medium's a compliment coming from you. And some are very, very new to it. Like one of our listeners, Marianne, who said she's just dipping her toe into the online dating scene. Marianne, you haven't matched with Jose or anybody yet? No, not yet. Okay, I'm shocked because I put my zip code to every zip code that makes sense. Jose, what's it like jumping into the online dating scene? It's interesting. I don't know. I'm a little cautious about it, I guess. You should be. That's a good way to go into it. But your attitude sounds good, though. Like, you look like you're hopeless. You sound hopeful. Yeah. How are you cautious with online dating? Well, I'm a teacher of, like, younger kids. Like, I just. I don't want the parents to find me. I don't want, like, any weird pictures of me out there, you know, to make anything awkward. So I only really have, like, a few pictures in my profile, and, like, a couple of them, I'm, like, wearing sunglasses. So it's just. There's nothing crazy there. It's like you're a celebrity. It's like you're so, like, coy about it. I mean, but seriously, though, like, my kids teachers are very edited on their social medias. Yeah. Interesting that Brooke has seen their dating profiles online. She's clearly Pages. Sure. Whatever you want to say. But Johnson, I couldn't even tell it was you at first. He only posted two photos on here. What a tease. Okay, well, Marianne, so who did you match with online? There are not a lot of people, actually, so I actually only go by one initial. I just go by M for Marianne Mysterious. Okay, I've seen that. Which may make people more cautious about you. I mean, that may backfire where you kind of look like a cat face. Totally. Oh, is that true, Marianne? Yeah. No, I really don't get, like, a lot of messages. So who is brave enough to swipe right on you? So I did. Finally, this guy Gordon actually reached out to me. Gordon? Oh, fancy masculine name. It is a masculine name. Very masculine. All right. Gordon. I don't know. I had a pet lizard named Gordon. Just saying. Oh, come on. That's what he means. I bet that lizard had a six pack, though. Lizards. Masculine pets. Turned out to be the Geico lizard. Exactly what I meant. What's Gordon like? He's really nice. It was just nice. He was one of the few people that actually wanted to, like, get to know me and talk to me. Yeah. And, like, actually go out in real life. Not just, you know, message me online. Okay. What did it feel like going into an actual date? I mean, I was a little nervous, but I mean, I was hopeful. I was excited. He seemed really nice. So we were gonna go to a music festival. We decided. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, yeah, it was his pick. I didn't really know a lot of the bands, but, you know, I tried to listen and, like, get to know some of them before we went. And there's a couple that are pretty good. Three songs from somebody's YouTube channel just to make sure you participate. Did it turn out to be fun? Yeah, it was fun. He was cute, positive attitude, and he's like, no pressure, like, you know, And I just. I like being around him. Honestly. Like, sounds like it turned out even better than you expected. Yeah, I was actually, like, worried for nothing. But when we went to leave, like, it was getting late and so, like, we started to head out. But I noticed, like, once we got posted, like, the exit I did on my phone. Oh, no. Oh, God. And so he was like, oh, my God. Like, I lost my phone somewhere at a festival. No. What a nightmare. So he helped me look for it, and he eventually found it under these, like, tables where you could, like, stand around and drink. Oh, my God. So he's nice and he's a hero. Yeah, exactly. Like, everything. Did you give him a big kiss as a thank you? Oh, well, we'll get to it. Oh, okay. Sorry to jump forward. So what happened? Okay, anyway, so he takes me home and we just have a good night hug. Actually weird. You sound so cute and giggly about it, though. I love was. It felt good. It felt right. Yeah. I thought we clicked. And, like, I don't know. I'm surprised we aren't going out again. Like, I've texted him being like, hey, I really enjoyed seeing you. Like, I had a of fun. Like, I'd love to hang out again. Like, I was really looking forward to, like, you know, hanging out with him again. Was it at least like, a long hug or was it like a quick, like, I want to know. Is it like hands rubbing your back? It wasn't. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like a side church hug. I mean, like, it was, you know, it was like a full hog. Okay. You haven't heard from him at all? No. And I don't know what to do. We're so hopeful. And now I'm like, I'm still caught up on a church hug because the hugs that I've had from people in church, they go. They get pretty intense, I'll tell you. Wow. It's like, God bless you. God bless you. I've had therapy from some of those church. So it's been how long since you. Now we're hoping it was a church. Yeah. I don't know. People do it different. So how was. So how long has it been since you and Gordon hung out? It was a few weeks ago now. Okay, so you've waited. Wait, now that you have your phone back, have you guys been texting since then? Not really. I've tried to get him to hang out, but he's not really super responsive, I guess. Weird. We need this to work out because it's like your first time in online dating and it's going to be bad. I know, but I want one good ending and you had fun. Like normally. It's like, oh, my God, I'm never going to online date again. Like, you had a good experience. They want you to have another date. I want more church hugs for you. So we'll try and get some of that done when we play a song. Come back and call Gordon and try and get your second date update right after this. Okay, cool. Thank you. Hold on. Second date update. Marianne, the school teacher, is on the phone with us for a second date, and she just sounds so innocent when you say that. She does. And her very first online dating experience went just about as well as it possibly could because she went to a music festival, lost her phone, but found it before they left, and ended the night with a steamy church hug. No, she said it wasn't a church hug, Jeff. That it was better than that. Church or not, God was watching and God was liking, but praise the Lord. Now it's been weeks, and her date Gordon has been kind of distant. Yeah. And I know Brooke was surprised that Marianne left a music festival with her top still on. That's a first. I mean, everybody has different vibes. Yeah. Alexis was shocked that she remembered the music festival at all. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly. But we're gonna do our best here. How you feeling, Marianne? I'm feeling okay. You're brave because not only were you trying dating apps for the first time, you're reaching out to us to help. Like this. This is. This is a bold move. And you lost your phone. Very traumatic experience. Some would say that you're at an all time low being on the show with us, but that just means. That just means the only way we could go from here is up. Oh, okay. Backwards compliments. I kind of see that. Okay. I thought that was a positive thing to say. It's interesting for you it was. I'll apologize with a church hug to you. Okay. Marianne. No, no, it's inappropriate. Don't take Jeff's church hugs. I think I'll pass. We should just call him. Good idea. You're lost, but let's just do that. We're gonna call Gordon right now. Here we go. Hello? Hello, is this Gordon? This is Gordon. Who's this? Sorry, did we call you in the bathroom or something? It's very echoey over there. Are you wanting that to be the truth? I didn't want to interrupt you. No, I'm good. Who am I talking to? Who is this? You're talking to esteemed radio host Jeffrey dubeau from award winning morning show, Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. Yes. What? Why? Yeah, great question. We're calling to why did we win the award? Cause our moms made us one? No, we're calling because we're doing a segment called a Second Date Update, hoping to get some answers for one of our listeners named Marianne. You remember going out with Marianne a couple weeks ago? Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. I did not. I'm sorry, Gordon, to interrupt, but I didn't expect that type of reaction. She sounds bubbly and lovely and she's a school teacher. That's. That's what she says. I guess so. Oh, wow. You're clearly not very fond of Marianne, but she felt like the date with you went really well. Yeah. Did you have fun at the music festival? Yeah, I had fun at the music festival. It started out fun. It started out great. Okay, what's going on? What's with the coldness? I mean, I don't know. I don't know what she told you guys, but she lost her phone at one point, and, you know, I was trying to help her find it. You hate irresponsible people, Is that what you're saying? Well, I wound up actually finding her phone. Yeah, you were her hero. That was what she said. Yeah, well, when I picked up her phone, her home screen came on, and what I saw kind of broke me. Whoa. Broke you? What? What? She's a schoolteacher. I can't imagine it being. I. I don't know how else to say it. When I looked at her screen, it was a picture of her kissing another guy. What kind of guy? That doesn't matter, Jeff. What, you mean like her father? Maybe. It definitely was not the way you kiss your father. So, wait, are you. You don't know how I kiss my father? So how dare you jump to that sort of conclusion? I mean, that could have been, like, I don't know, we didn't get her last relationship status. Like, maybe she just broke up with somebody. Maybe she's. There could be other reasons you're on a date with somebody else. I don't know. I mean, I. It kind of all started to make sense to me. What do you mean? I'm not. What do you. What's going on in your mind when you see that picture? I mean, her profile is just M. And all of her photos are her with sunglasses on. And then I see this. And it snapped into clear focus for me. She's cheating. She's cheating. Oh, my God. She acted so innocent. Like she Innocent ones. She totally played up the innocent school teacher. And, I mean, she told us that she just did m and the sunglasses and stuff because she didn't want parents of her students to find her co worker. Yeah, she told me the same thing. Whoa. Makes sense. Your stance is. You're not cool with her cheating. It's always like two steps. I just want to be clear. Why didn't you, why didn't you address her when you saw the phone and you picked it up and handed it back to her? Why didn't you say something? I just, Honestly, I, I wanted nothing to do with her at that point. I guess that makes sense. Why at the end, there was no kiss? Yeah, just a church hug. I, I. If that's what you call church hug, sure. Yeah, it was. We don't know what to call it at this point. Yeah. Okay. That's a lot. I mean, I guess I, I'd be surprised if she was still there on the line after this whole thing. But why would she call us if she was cheating? I don't know. What an idiot. I can see both sides. Let's ask Marianne because she's been listening to this the entire time. Gordon. Marianne. What? Yeah, she's been there the whole time. Mary, you there? Yeah, I'm here. Mary Ann, what do you have to say? I mean, this. It's not what you think. That's like a famous thing. What do you mean? You had a. You had a picture of you kissing another guy on your phone screen. Yeah, that. That was my husband. He passed away last year. Oh. Oh. And I just have a memory of him on my phone. Oh, my God. We went from thinking you were awful. Oh, sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you well enough yet to really talk about it, so I didn't want to bring it up on our first date, you know? Are you okay? Yeah. I mean, I am honestly a little taken aback just listening to what you said and jumping so soon to conclusions about me without. You could have just confronted me that night. Gordon, mean, how do you feel right now? You must kind of feel like a boob. Don't say boob right now. I'm really sorry to hear that. I just. I'd been down this road before, and so I didn't think. I didn't think. I feel like I had it all figured out already. Yeah. Hopefully. You guys heartbreaking each other's sides, though. I feel like the understanding needs to be there. Like, and I mean, Marianne, he's obviously been on dating apps a lot longer because he's jaded and jumps to conclusions, which is what we did when he explained it. I mean, when you connect that to just your M profile and everything and secrecy, it makes sense. Oh, yeah. We didn't know you lost your husband. Like, I mean, yeah, but if the good news is, if Marianne is on the dating apps, it must mean that she's feeling ready to put herself back out there. Yeah. So that's encouraging. It took me a while, but, I mean, yeah, I finally did it. Yeah. I mean, and it makes sense why it's your first time ever on dating apps. Because you were married. Yeah. Brooke doesn't play by the same rules as that, but that's good for you. Oh, man, that's hard. Wow. I'm glad we got closure, a little clarity in this situation. And, Gordon, now that you know that she's not cheating and what the situation is, we'd like to offer to send the two of you out on another date. And we would pay for it. I do feel terrible about the assumption and obviously about what. What happened to your husband and you. And other than that, nothing else bad happened. Correct. You guys are really cute, actually. Yeah. I honestly really did have a good time on the date until I saw that photo. I would be open to it if you are. Okay, that is fair. Because based on this, I don't know that Marianne is still interested. Marianne, are you willing to give him another chance after he jumped to conclusions? I'll give another shot. We can talk it out. We'll see where we get from there, I guess. Really excited. All right, so it sounds like she's the most brilliant cheater ever. Jose's so jaded. He still doesn't believe you. No, I'm kidding. I'm happy for you guys. It sounds like we're sending you out on Another day. Yay. Congratulations, you two. Thank you, Jeff. Church date. I don't know about that, but we could celebrate by ending this with an entire show. Church hug. Oh, yeah. Get him. Come on, bring it in. Why are you pulling them off? I don't like hugs. Shirts off, everybody. Bring it in. Close. I'm taking it on. Not going to your church, Jeff. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning, man. Legit tears coming from the text board from a lot of people who are all pulling for Charlotte and her love story. I mean, it was beautiful. How could you not? God, this is a couple that I definitely hope that we get an update from. Even if it doesn't work out, I just want to hear that everybody's doing okay still. Yeah, and obviously she didn't go into much detail about what happened with the passing of her late husband, because we didn't want to pry into that. Good work, team. Well, why would you ask that? Was that on your mind? Jeff's the only one that wanted to know. What is this? A true crime podcast episode of Jeffrey? I'm giving us props for not going there. That's what I'm saying. But you do have. You have to give her credit for being courageous and being brave, not just by putting herself out in the dating world again, but also staying on the phone while this guy accuses her of cheating. For sure. That must have been so emotional for her. One of the most intense cases of, like, assuming is never a good thing. Either that or she's on the other line thinking, oh, my God, this idiot, he felt bad afterwards. Of course, maybe it's a good rule of thumb if you ever see somebody else with a phone screen, picture of them kissing somebody, just assume that it's a relative that's passed away. That's not the lesson. That's not the lesson. Yeah, Maybe just more open communication. All right. Yeah. A lot of different lessons you could take from this one, apparently. But, Jeff, you take weird lessons. Here's a good lesson. If you ever want to get in touch with somebody that you went on a date with that's not calling you back, you can email the show and we'll call that person. Yeah, I like that one. Okay, let's stick to that. That's a good lesson. Anyway, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. May is mental health awareness month, and Talkspace, the leading virtual therapy provider, is telling everyone, let's face it, in therapy, by talking or texting with a supportive licensed therapist at Talkspace. You can face whatever is holding you back, whether it's mental health symptoms, relationship drama, past trauma, bad habits, or another challenge that you need support to work through. It's easy to sign up. Just go to talkspace.com and you'll be paired with a provider, typically within 48 hours. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule. Plus, Talkspace is in network with most major insurers and most insured members have a zero dollar copay. Make your mental health a priority and start today. If you're not covered by insurance, get $80 off your first month with Talkspace when you go to talkspace.com and enter promo code SPACE80. That's S P A CE83 to match with a licensed therapist today, go to talkspace.com and Enter promo code SPACE80. Step into the world of power, loyalty and luck. I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse with family. Cannolis and spins mean everything. Now you want to get mixed up in the family business. Introducing the godfather@champacasino.com test your luck in the shadowy world of the Godfather slot. Someday I will call upon you to do a service for me. Play the Godfather now@chumbacasino.com Welcome to the family. No purchase necessary. VGW Group void. We're prohibited by law 21 + terms and conditions apply. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all his wife, Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. How far would he go to cover up what he'd done? The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific and quite frankly, I question how many other women are out there that may bring forward allegations in the future. Listen to betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Radhi Devlukia and I am the host of a really good cry podcast and I had the opportunity to talk to Davey Brown with women, any kind of thing, where there might be this underlying edge of self sacrifice as martyrdom. If you're never filling, you're telling yourself a story and you're actually avoiding what you should be doing. You gotta get in, you gotta get your hands dirty. Listen to a really good cry on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It started with a TikTok I didn't find out about her death until I saw it on TikTok and it ended in a murder trial. The defendant committed a first degree murder when he murdered Daisy Pillow. I'm Jen Swan. I'm the writer and host of My Friend Daisy. 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