Second Date Update: Forbidden Love

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update – "Forbidden Love"

Episode Overview

In the January 8, 2025 episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update", hosted by iHeartPodcasts, Brooke and Jeffrey delve into a complex tale of forbidden love, exploring the intricacies of dating within close-knit friendships and family dynamics. The episode, titled "Forbidden Love", follows the journey of Mark, a listener who finds himself entangled in a romantic dilemma involving his best friend Stu’s younger sister, Lisa. This detailed summary captures the key discussions, insights, and conclusions drawn throughout the episode.

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1. Introduction to Forbidden Love

The episode begins with Brooke and Peter Tilden introducing the concept of forbidden love—a theme they have previously explored through Brooke's fictional crush on her cousin Ronnie. However, today’s episode shifts focus to a real-life scenario shared by listener Mark.

• Peter Tilden [00:49]: “Second date update. Most of the time, whenever we talk about forbidden love on this show, it's about Brooke and her insatiable thirst for her cousin Ronnie.”

Brooke quickly dispels this notion, setting the stage for a more relatable and less controversial discussion.

• Brooke [01:00]: “Stop it. I do not like my cousins.”

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2. Mark's Dilemma: Crushed by Friendship

Mark, a long-time friend of Stu since college, reaches out to the hosts seeking advice. He reveals that he harbored a crush on Lisa, Stu’s younger sister, and recently acted on his feelings by approaching her at a bar.

• Mark [02:18]: “He’s like a brother to me, and I'm just afraid I may have ruined everything because I low key had a crush on his younger sister Lisa for a while.”

The hosts express curiosity and encourage Mark to elaborate on his situation.

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3. The Encounter: Mark and Lisa's Date

Mark recounts the evening he met Lisa, leading to a spontaneous and intimate connection.

• Mark [03:23]: “I was recently single and I was at a bar, and I saw Lisa there. I went over and started talking to her, and we were laughing about something, and I said, it was under different circumstances. You know, I wasn't friends with your brother. I would have asked you out a long time ago.”

Brooke and Peter probe further into the authenticity and spontaneity of Mark’s confession.

• Brooke [03:42]: “You had to have been drunk when you said that.”

Mark admits he had a slight buzz, adding context to his bold move.

• Mark [03:45]: “I had a little buzz.”

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4. The Aftermath: Navigating Friendship and Romance

The conversation shifts to the repercussions of Mark's actions, particularly concerning his friendship with Stu.

• Brooke [06:04]: “But do you want to date her or did you just want it to be that one night?”

Mark clarifies his intentions, expressing a desire to continue the relationship beyond a single encounter.

• Mark [06:08]: “Everything except for the end was awesome. And I, you know, I would love to keep hanging out with her.”

A humorous yet critical vote is taken among the hosts regarding whether Mark should pursue the relationship.

• Peter Tilden [06:22]: “Let's take a quick vote around the room. Do we think that this is a good idea for him to date his best friend's younger sister?”
• Brooke [06:28]: “Yeah, why not?”

Peter votes against the idea, highlighting potential complications.

• Peter Tilden [06:32]: “That's probably not a good idea... We're gonna call your best friend sister Lisa and try and get you a second date update right after this, all right?”

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5. Confronting Lisa: The Phone Call

The hosts initiate a direct conversation with Lisa to uncover her perspective on the unfolding situation.

• Peter Tilden [08:40]: “Hey, Lisa. How's it going? You're on the radio right now.”

Lisa is initially confused but becomes engaged as the hosts outline the scenario.

• Lisa [10:12]: “So at first, I actually was, like, into it just because I've always felt like Mark is kind of hot and fun and it was exciting and felt... a little bit dangerous and risky going behind my brother's back.”

However, Lisa expresses discomfort with Mark’s inability to handle the situation maturely.

• Lisa [11:03]: “But that's not attractive to me. Like, you're making out with me and now you're acting scared.”

The conversation reveals that while Lisa informed her brother upfront, Mark’s anxiety about Stu’s potential reaction complicated their budding relationship.

• Lisa [12:16]: “He said more. Mark's a good guy. If you want to hang out with him, that's cool with me. Isn't that a good thing for someone?”

Despite Stu’s approval, Lisa decides to distance herself from Mark due to the awkwardness and newfound complexities.

• Lisa [12:45]: “But then it just started becoming weird for me. Like, oh, I'm gonna be like, making out with my brother's best friend. This guy knows all my brother's deep secrets. Like, that's not something.”

Ultimately, Lisa opts to maintain their friendship on more comfortable terms.

• Lisa [16:17]: “I think maybe let's just have some distance for a bit and I'll see you when I see you.”

Mark and Lisa part ways with an agreement to see each other at a future family gathering, leaving the relationship unresolved.

• Mark [16:45]: “Okay, great. See you at Thanksgiving.”
• Lisa [16:49]: “Wow, I definitely shouldn't have kissed you.”

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6. Conclusion: Lessons from Forbidden Love

Brooke and Jeffrey wrap up the episode by reflecting on Mark's predicament, emphasizing the importance of maturity and clear communication in relationships, especially when intertwined with close friendships.

• Peter Tilden [17:04]: “You guys ever heard the phrase trying to catch A falling knife?”
• Brooke [17:07]: “No, but it's a good phrase. I already know what it means.”

The hosts highlight that Mark’s attempt to appear "dangerous" backfired, showcasing the dangers of overcomplicating simple romantic gestures.

• Peter Tilden [17:35]: “Use the L word, okay?”
• Brooke [17:53]: “What a loser.”

Despite the humorous take, the episode underscores the delicate balance between friendship and romance, advising listeners to navigate such situations with honesty and respect.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Peter Tilden [00:49]: “Most of the time, whenever we talk about forbidden love on this show, it's about Brooke and her insatiable thirst for her cousin Ronnie.”

• Brooke [03:42]: “You had to have been drunk when you said that.”

• Lisa [11:18]: “Don't tell anybody. That's awful.”

• Peter Tilden [17:35]: “Use the L word, okay?”

• Brooke [17:53]: “What a loser.”

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Final Thoughts

The "Forbidden Love" episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update" offers a candid exploration of the challenges that arise when romantic interests intersect with longstanding friendships. Through Mark and Lisa's story, listeners gain insights into the importance of navigating relationships with clarity and consideration for all parties involved. The episode serves as both an entertaining and instructive narrative on the complexities of modern dating.

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Transcript

[Jason Alexander]

I'm Jason Alexander. And I'm Peter Tilden. And together, our mission on the really Know really podcast is to get the true answers to life's baffling questions, like why the bathroom door doesn't go all the way to the floor. What's in the museum a failure, and does your dog truly love you? We have the answer. Go to reallynoreally.com and register to win $500, a guest spot on our podcast or a limited edition sign. Jason Bobblehead, the Really no really podcast. Follow us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Brooke]

Okay, we just need to apologize right now for taking over your TikTok for you page. Yeah, sorry. Not sorry. My God. Yes, all the old ones are going viral, but the new ones are so much better. Okay, I'm so glad you found them. Follow, like, whatever you're supposed to do on these podcasts and just sit back and listen.

[Peter Tilden]

Second date update. Most of the time, whenever we talk about forbidden love on this show, it's about Brooke and her insatiable thirst for her cousin Ronnie.

[Brooke]

Stop it. I do not like my cousins.

[Peter Tilden]

Not anymore.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Tilden]

But alas, we're not dealing with that type of forbidden love. At least not today. Because one of our listeners, Mark, says he dipped a toe into the forbidden pool of romance recently, and he's afraid the lifeguard won't let him cannonball all the way in. So he needs our Mark.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

Why?

[Peter Tilden]

Welcome to the show, man.

[Mark]

Hey, thank you.

[Brooke]

Oh, man, I love a good, juicy story. I mean, I. I'm dying to know who you're talking about.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, tell us your situation.

[Mark]

Okay, well, so I have a best friend, Stuart, who goes by Stu. We've been really good friends since college.

[Brooke]

Oh. Do you want to take it to the next level?

[Mark]

No, not with Stu.

[Brooke]

Okay, well, I thought it would be kind of forbidden. Your best friend?

[Mark]

No, I. I'm a straight fella. And, you know, Stu and I have been really good buddies since college. You know, I know his family. I would go over his house all the time. He knows my family.

[Alexis]

That's the best when you can just, like, walk in and. Yeah, I feel like you're the second son.

[Peter Tilden]

Sometimes. You prefer their family to your own family.

[Brooke]

Yeah, for sure.

[Peter Tilden]

Actually, most of the time.

[Brooke]

Jeffrey would take any family.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay, that's cool. It's nice to have a close friend from college.

[Mark]

Yeah. He's like a brother to me, and I'm just afraid I may have ruined everything because I low key had A crush on his younger sister Lisa for a while.

[Peter Tilden]

Oh, no.

[Brooke]

Did you hook up with her already?

[Mark]

Yeah, something did happen, you know, but it's one of those things, right? You know, I couldn't even ask because he wouldn't be cool with it.

[Brooke]

Oh, really?

[Peter Tilden]

He wouldn't be?

[Alexis]

Well, there's two different types. Like, I have a friend who's literally always asked, like, bro, you should date my sister. Be so cool.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Why?

[Alexis]

There's other dudes are like, stay away.

[Peter Tilden]

I asked my best friend from high school if I could date his little sister, and he said yes. But then I asked the sister and she said no. So that was a super low moment.

[Alexis]

And then you were like, brother already said yes.

[Brooke]

He tried.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, legally, we're supposed to.

[Alexis]

Your brother already said, yeah.

[Peter Tilden]

That's rough.

[Brooke]

I think it's really weird too. Like, it's just like a kind of aggressive on your bro's part.

[Alexis]

It may be weird.

[Brooke]

Yeah. I mean, how old's a little sister?

[Peter Tilden]

How much younger?

[Mark]

She seems a few years younger. I mean, nothing crazy.

[Brooke]

All right, so what happened?

[Mark]

I was recently single and I was at a bar, and I saw Lisa there. I went over and started talking to her, and we were laughing about something, and I said, it was under different circumstances. You know, I wasn't friends with your brother. I would have asked you out a long time ago.

[Peter Tilden]

Well, you just told her that.

[Brooke]

That's a lot.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

You had to have been drunk when you said that.

[Mark]

I had a little buzz.

[Brooke]

Yeah. I got a little bit of that syndrome. Yeah.

[Peter Tilden]

What did she say to that?

[Mark]

She was like, well, maybe you should do it anyway.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Peter Tilden]

Oh, my God.

[Brooke]

This is why I always wanted an older brother. I never had one. I'm like, their friends would be so cute growing up. Yeah, I agree. Like, friends with older brothers always had hot sign on the. Get it.

[Peter Tilden]

Brooke, you'd like to salute around with everybody in your friends group and in your family group.

[Brooke]

I'm with you. Thank you, Alexis.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay, we got. So she wanted you to ask her out?

[Mark]

Yeah, I took that as a go ahead. So I was like, what are you doing 10 minutes from now? And she said, oh. She said, I'm busy, but I'm available five minutes from now.

[Peter Tilden]

Oh, wow.

[Brooke]

I like Lisa, actually.

[Peter Tilden]

You guys do have a good banter.

[Brooke]

So was it fun?

[Mark]

Yeah, she's like, meet me outside in five. So we ended up walking around and grabbing food at a food truck, and we kind of ended up making out.

[Brooke]

My God, that is so fun. And it probably felt like you Know, it's always fun when it's a little dangerous.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah. Was it good? Cause there's a whole build up to that moment. Was it as good as you had thought it would be?

[Mark]

It was great. And I mean, we had. I mean, we have a connection. You know, we had a lot of fun hanging out and, you know, we had known each other for so long, so it was a little, you know, weird kissing someone that, you know, that you've known for that long.

[Peter Tilden]

But, yeah, I mean, that's good news. How did that night end?

[Mark]

Well, I was like, we can't tell your brother about this. You said, I'm a grown woman. I can make my own decisions.

[Alexis]

I was gonna say that you guys are both adults now.

[Brooke]

I mean, that makes it feel really immature by. By trying to keep a secret. But I get why you're worried about it. If you really think he'd be that upset.

[Mark]

Well, I kind of changed my tune after that, and I said if anybody's gonna tell him, it's gotta be me. And I kind of need some time to figure out how to do that.

[Brooke]

Okay. What'd she say to that?

[Mark]

Well, we just kind of got into a disagreement and it really just ended sort of weird.

[Brooke]

Oh, so did she, like, immediately leave and text her brother? Does he know?

[Mark]

I don't know. Everything seems to be okay with Stu. He's not treating me different, and I haven't brought it up, so I don't think she said anything.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Alexis]

I mean, hopefully she did and he's cool with it, but. Doesn't sound likely.

[Brooke]

But do you want to date her or did you just wanted it to be that one night?

[Mark]

Everything except for the end was awesome. And I, you know, I would love to keep hanging out with her.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay, you would like to see your. Let's take a quick vote around the room. Do we think that this is a good idea for him to date his best friend's younger sister? Alexis?

[Brooke]

Yeah, why not? Yeah, I like drama, though.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay, one vote for yes. Brooke.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I'm into it.

[Peter Tilden]

The girls love Messi.

[Alexis]

Brooke is into the family.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

What's the worst thing that can happen? You lose your best friend.

[Alexis]

Oh, well, the romantic in me loves this. Because if you guys do do. I'm fast forwarding here. End up getting engaged or married. You already have the family's blessing.

[Brooke]

Okay, you missed a lot of steps.

[Peter Tilden]

They kissed outside of a kielbasa truck. Let's not jump to marriage.

[Alexis]

I'm just saying, the romantic in me thinks this will go very well.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay. And so I'm gonna. I'm gonna vote. No. This is probably not a good idea, but we're gonna.

[Brooke]

That's only because you were rejected by a sister.

[Peter Tilden]

If I can't have my best friend's younger sister, no one can have their best friend's younger sister. Anyway, we're gonna call your best friend sister Lisa and try and get you a second date update right after this, all right?

[Mark]

That would be awesome. Thanks.

[Peter Tilden]

All right, hold on. Second date update running a little bit short on time, so I'm gonna do a quick recap. The guy has a best friend from college.

[Brooke]

Yep.

[Peter Tilden]

And he's had a crush on his friend's little sister for a few years now. One night, they ran into each other at a bar, ended up hanging out the rest of the evening, and even kissed outside of a food truck. Yeah, and Mark, here's my question, because I just want to make sure I heard it correctly. You definitely don't think her brother knows about this?

[Mark]

No way. He would have freaked out on me by now for sure.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay, so when do you want to tell him? Like, a month? In a year when you start popping out nieces and nephews for him? When's the good time at the wedding?

[Mark]

I don't know. I guess it depends on what happens, really.

[Peter Tilden]

Just play it by ear.

[Brooke]

But today we're calling the little sister, right?

[Peter Tilden]

We're not calling his brother.

[Brooke]

I mean, when was the last time you talked to her?

[Mark]

Yeah, I haven't really talked to her since all this went down. Oh, about three weeks.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Peter Tilden]

Oh, wow.

[Brooke]

No texts. She's mad. I have no idea what we're gonna get on the other line when we call her. Like we're a girl, hopefully. Well, I know. Is she angry? Is she?

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, I'm going in with a positive attitude. Okay, Mark?

[Brooke]

You always do, Jeff.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, someone has. Let's do it. I'm calling Lisa right now. Here we go.

[Lisa]

Hello?

[Peter Tilden]

Hey, is this Lisa?

[Lisa]

Yeah, this is she.

[Peter Tilden]

Hey, Lisa. How's it going? You're on the radio right now. Okay.

[Lisa]

Wait, who is this?

[Peter Tilden]

Well, we're a morning show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning, and we.

[Brooke]

Are excited to talk to you.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, we have a very interesting conversation looming here.

[Lisa]

I think I don't understand what's happening. I don't understand what you mean by a radio.

[Alexis]

Oh, you don't know what a radio is?

[Peter Tilden]

We have a lot of explaining to do here.

[Brooke]

We also do a podcast. Does that help?

[Alexis]

That probably.

[Lisa]

Okay, but why are you calling me?

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, we're calling because we're doing a segment called the Second Date Update, and we're trying to ask you a little bit about your interaction about three weeks ago with a guy named Mark, a.

[Brooke]

Friend of the family named Martin.

[Peter Tilden]

Well, I'm trying not to label anything.

[Lisa]

Okay, what did he tell you? Like, I. What did he say?

[Alexis]

He spilled a little tea.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Peter Tilden]

Not the whole cup. Said you guys met up randomly at a bar one night and ran into each other. Ran into each other there, hung out the rest of the night.

[Alexis]

You guys went to a food truck.

[Peter Tilden]

You remember this, right?

[Lisa]

Yeah, I very vividly remember this night.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Peter Tilden]

That's good. What did you think?

[Brooke]

Yup. Oh, no.

[Alexis]

Oh, no.

[Peter Tilden]

Maybe she just had a fly in her throat.

[Brooke]

Oh, no. I mean, can you start from the beginning? Like, when Mark said, I want to ask you out on a date. Like, I mean, it's your brother's best friend. What were you thinking?

[Lisa]

So at first, I actually was, like, into it just because I've always felt like Mark is kind of hot and fun and it was exciting and felt. This is going to sound strange, but, like, a little bit dangerous and risky going behind my brother's back.

[Brooke]

Oh, for sure you're into that because.

[Lisa]

Yeah, I don't know how much you know, but, like, Mark is best friends with my older brothers, too.

[Brooke]

Yeah, we know that.

[Alexis]

Yeah, your whole family knows.

[Lisa]

Okay. Well, because of that, though, after we kind of had our. I mean, we, like, kind of made out, whatever. And then immediately Mark was like, but you can't tell your brother. And that felt really gross to me. Like, really controlling. Yeah, like, that felt like a red flag.

[Peter Tilden]

Well, I don't think he was, like, trying to kill the romance or anything. I think he was just honestly worried that he might be blowing up a good friendship for this.

[Alexis]

He wants to keep good relations with everybody, I guess.

[Lisa]

But that's not attractive to me. Like, you're making out with me and now you're acting scared.

[Alexis]

Don't tell anybody.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Alexis]

That's awful.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, he probably should have waited five minutes or something.

[Brooke]

We told him that sounded pretty immature when he retold that. I mean, he told us that you guys got into an argument about it, and it sounded like he kind of realized that too.

[Lisa]

Honestly, it was a little too late because I decided for sure I was going to tell my brother.

[Peter Tilden]

Oh, what?

[Brooke]

So wait, when did you tell him?

[Lisa]

That night.

[Alexis]

Oh, my gosh.

[Brooke]

What was his response?

[Lisa]

Well, my brother was cool with it and was like, oh, that's not a big deal. Sure.

[Alexis]

Wait, What?

[Brooke]

Seriously, why was Mark so in his head about your brother being so weird about it then?

[Alexis]

Like, he listened to it one time.

[Brooke]

Yeah. He was like, for certain that his best friend would be like, don't date my sister.

[Peter Tilden]

She's mine.

[Brooke]

Yeah, weird. Well, that's.

[Alexis]

Really.

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's strange.

[Peter Tilden]

Whatever he said.

[Brooke]

So your brother was actually fine?

[Lisa]

Exactly. He said more. Mark's a good guy. If you want to hang out with him, that's cool with me. Isn't that a good thing for someone? But the riskiness, the dangerous part of it was gone, which, like, okay, that's fine. Not all my relationships need to be that. But then it just started becoming weird for me. Like, oh, I'm gonna be like, making out with my brother's best friend. This guy knows all my brother's deep secrets. Like, that's not something.

[Brooke]

So it didn't freak your brother out. It freaked. Freaked you out. When you started to think about it.

[Peter Tilden]

The risk and the danger was gone. And then so that the romance left. But, like, what if I told you if you're into risk and danger? There's been somebody secretly listening in on this conversation on the other line.

[Lisa]

What do you.

[Peter Tilden]

Wanted to talk to you.

[Lisa]

I just don't really know what this is. What do you mean?

[Peter Tilden]

I mean, Mark has been quietly listening, wanting to jump in, and more creepy than risky. It's dangerous. He's a dangerous boy. Isn't that right, Mark?

[Mark]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Tilden]

Hey there, bad boy.

[Lisa]

Wait, so Mark heard everything I just said?

[Brooke]

Yes, you can ask him. He's there.

[Mark]

Mark, you told your brother, like, right off the bat that that's what you did?

[Lisa]

Of course. I'm able to make my own decisions, and I decided to do that. Yes. That's the first thing you have to say about all of this?

[Mark]

I just. I mean, I don't know why you would do that. Like, that would be your first instinct when I was. I'm worried about it, but whatever.

[Peter Tilden]

I mean, he was cool with it. Mark.

[Alexis]

So you're in the clear?

[Lisa]

Yes.

[Mark]

I mean, that's unexpected. And I was just trying to be cautious about relationships.

[Peter Tilden]

See, that's the problem right there, Mark. You're trying to be cautious, and she's into danger. You gotta be dangerous if you want to win Lisa's house.

[Mark]

I'm still plenty dangerous.

[Alexis]

Oh, really?

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Your family would hate it if we hooked up.

[Brooke]

I don't think family.

[Mark]

Like, have you told your mom about it?

[Lisa]

No. Believe it or not, I didn't call my mom to say.

[Mark]

You'Re lucky you didn't tell your mom? She would have been super angry and pissed.

[Peter Tilden]

Oh, dangerous.

[Alexis]

Don't tell the dog either. Everyone's going to be Bar.

[Brooke]

I don't think anyone believes your gauge on this family anymore. You had your best friend so wrong.

[Alexis]

Sounds like he's trying to make it sound dangerous now. And it's not.

[Peter Tilden]

Do you think your parents would be upset?

[Lisa]

No, I think they'd be fine with it too. Which makes it feel continuously more lame.

[Brooke]

I mean, Mark, I think not everyone.

[Alexis]

Approving of a healthy relationship.

[Brooke]

I think we need to play up Mark's good parts. Right? Everyone says he's a great guy in your family. He obviously likes you. And you guys know each other really well. Like that can be a real foundation for something.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah, like a real something.

[Alexis]

Boring.

[Brooke]

Am I the only one trying?

[Lisa]

I'm just saying I feel like with Mark specifically, I'd want it to feel more dangerous. And it doesn't. And so that's just kind of where I'm at.

[Brooke]

Okay, so maybe that was the attraction.

[Mark]

I do other dangerous things, you know, I gamble until I have no money.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's sad. We should not do that.

[Alexis]

Mark hotline number.

[Lisa]

Okay, so that's just irresponsible. That's not dangerous.

[Alexis]

He's like, I also have horrible credit. What do you think of that?

[Brooke]

Lady, sometimes I don't brush my teeth at night.

[Peter Tilden]

I mean, what we would like to do, Lisa, is send you and Mark out on another date. And we would pay for it.

[Alexis]

See if you can change your dates.

[Peter Tilden]

See that? Look at that. A man who won't even pay for his own dates.

[Alexis]

Oh, because he ran out of money gambling.

[Peter Tilden]

Isn't that naughty. What do you think, Lisa?

[Lisa]

Well, I hear that you want to do that and Mark probably wants to do that, but I do not want to do that.

[Peter Tilden]

Look at that. We finally found someone that doesn't approve of the relationship. Dating him would go against your own wishes. Doesn't get any more naughty and risky than that.

[Brooke]

I think that's a no Jeffrey trick herself.

[Peter Tilden]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

But listen, I do want to say I'm okay with us still being friends, but like, all of this is really awkward. So I think maybe let's just have some distance for a bit and I'll see you when I see you.

[Mark]

Okay, great. See you at Thanksgiving.

[Lisa]

Wow, I definitely shouldn't have kissed you. Okay.

[Brooke]

Oh, no, Lisa, maybe we can. They'll all laugh about this in the future at Thanksgiving. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Peter Tilden]

You guys ever heard the phrase trying to catch A falling knife?

[Brooke]

No, but it's a good phrase. I already know what it means.

[Peter Tilden]

It's where things are spiraling out of control, and you're in a desperate panic to just stop the damage from continuing.

[Alexis]

Don't get hurt.

[Peter Tilden]

That's what we just witnessed with Mark. Because he immediately came on and thought, you know what? I'm being too safe for her. I need to come across as dangerous. And it just got worse and worse and worse till we found out he's a degenerate gambler with horrible credit.

[Alexis]

I think I made up the credit part even. Yeah, he said broke all the time.

[Brooke]

But I feel like his buddy's going to lose respect for him, too.

[Alexis]

Yeah, he's going to be like, bro, I gave you the green light to date my sister, and then she rejected you.

[Brooke]

What a loser. Okay, close to home on this.

[Alexis]

All right, but remember.

[Peter Tilden]

Use the L word, okay?

[Alexis]

That's the same outcome.

[Peter Tilden]

You know what? I think Mark's a good guy. I'm changing my opinion.

[Alexis]

Do we need to make a phone call for you?

[Peter Tilden]

I'm fine.

[Brooke]

He already got rejected.

[Peter Tilden]

Okay, you know what? We're done. If you ever need a second date update, we won't judge you. You email the show. We'll call the person who isn't calling you back.

[Brooke]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Jason Alexander]

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