Second Date Update: From Hot To Huh

Summary

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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update – "From Hot To Huh"

Episode Date: August 27, 2025
Hosts: Brooke and Jeffrey
Format: Listeners seek help reconnecting after being ghosted post-first date; the show calls the non-responsive party for answers (with lots of humor, surprise, and questionable outcomes).
This Episode: Joseph's "best date ever" at a Mexican restaurant takes a wild turn when the truth comes out.

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Episode Overview

This episode follows listener Joseph, whose chance encounter with Sabrina at a Mexican restaurant quickly escalates into what he enthusiastically calls “the best date in the history of all dates.” When Sabrina stops responding after heading off on a work trip, Joseph worries their magical connection ran cold—maybe due to an unresolved ex? Brooke & Jeffrey step in to get to the bottom of Sabrina's sudden silence, but what they uncover turns the “second date update” from hot to head-spinning in seconds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Serendipitous Meet-Cute at the Mexican Restaurant

• [04:27–06:50] Joseph shares how he met Sabrina:
  • He found the last seat at a bar beside Sabrina, who was actually waiting for a date that never showed up.
  • After some casual conversation and drinks, her date officially cancels via text.
  • Joseph's friend, meant to meet him, is told not to come: “I said to him, don't come inside yet… there's a really pretty girl here. I think she's being stood up.” (Joseph, [05:28])
  • Spontaneity ensues: They move to a booth, playful food fight with a nearby baby, Sabrina kisses Joseph on the cheek.

2. Lightning Chemistry & An Unplanned Night

• [06:51–08:31]
  • The vibe is relaxed and electric—“It was really fun… natural together.” (Brooke, [06:48])
  • After dinner, they go back to Sabrina’s place and spend time together until 2 a.m.
  • Joseph asks to see her again. Sabrina replies she’s leaving for a work trip, offhandedly mentioning, “I’m hoping not to run into my ex, cause it’s where I’m from.” ([08:18])

3. Ghosted…Or Is It?

• [08:31–11:14]
  • Joseph doesn’t hear from Sabrina for six days. He grows anxious, especially about the ex.
  • The hosts speculate: Did she really reconnect with the ex? Brooke insists, “I think it's 100% that she definitely hooked up with her ex…” ([11:14])
  • Jeffrey tries to look on the bright side: “There’s no chance she met up with her ex boyfriend… she was just thinking about you the entire time.” ([11:33])

4. Phone Call with Sabrina: The Truth Comes Out

• [12:15–15:44]
  • Sabrina picks up thinking it’s the rental car company. She quickly clarifies:
    • She left her phone in a rental car during her work trip and just got it back: “I left my phone in the rental car and then it took them like five or six days to get it back to me…” (Sabrina, [13:27])
    • She was planning to call Joseph and missed him: “I’ve been thinking about him this whole time.” (Sabrina, [13:46])
  • Relief and sweet confessions abound:
    • “I literally miss the sound of your voice.” (Sabrina to Joseph, [15:26])
    • “Seriously, your voice is so sexy.” (Joseph, [15:36])
    • Playful banter with “quesadilla” as a pet phrase.

5. Plot Twist: The Engagement Bombshell

• [16:54–19:05]
  • Joseph brings up her possible ex encounter. Here’s where it unravels:
    • “I did see him.” (Sabrina, [17:02])
    • Upon pressing: “You hooked up with him, didn’t you?” (Joseph, [17:31])
    • Her reply: “It takes a while to break off an engagement. It doesn't just happen automatically.” ([17:34])
    • She reveals she's still technically engaged—“Soon to be ex.” ([17:54])
    • “Well like, emotionally, I’m distancing myself.” (Sabrina, [18:10])

6. Aftermath and Decisions

• [19:13–20:08]
  • Despite the shocking news, Joseph admits: “I want to hang out with you again, but I have to wait till you’re done. So just… talk to me after.” ([19:37])
  • Sabrina insists: “You guys, we won’t be together in a month, I promise.” ([19:05])

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “He turned that woman's loss into his gain.”
  — Jeffrey on Joseph’s bold move at the bar, [04:10]

• “It's the best date in the history of all dates.”
  — Joseph’s enthusiastic description, [07:41]

• “I miss the sound of your voice.”
  — Sabrina softly, demonstrating real chemistry, [15:26]

• “You didn’t hook up with your ex, right?”
  — Joseph, holding out hope, [17:13]

• “It takes a while to break off an engagement. It doesn't just happen automatically.”
  — Sabrina, calmly dropping the bombshell, [17:34]

• "Verbally, emotionally...but not quite physically yet..."
  — Sabrina, explaining her ambiguous 'breakup', [18:01]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [04:27] — Joseph recounts meeting Sabrina and the unexpected date.
• [05:50] — Sabrina is officially stood up; Joseph “moves in.”
• [07:00] — Food fight and kiss on the cheek—date chemistry peaks.
• [08:18] — Sabrina mentions her ex before leaving on a work trip.
• [11:14] — Hosts debate whether she met up with her ex back home.
• [13:27] — Sabrina explains the six-day ghost: phone left in rental car.
• [15:26] — Sweeter side: “I literally miss the sound of your voice.”
• [17:34] — Engagement news comes out.
• [19:05] — Sabrina and Joseph discuss their complicated future.

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Tone & Style Notes

• Playful, teasing banter pervades, letting suspense and awkwardness run their course.
• Jeffrey often plays the (deliberately) naive optimist, while Brooke is the blunt realist.
• Joseph is earnest and smitten; Sabrina is candid but entangled.
• The energy peaks with humor, then turns to awkward drama when the engagement is revealed.

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Episode Summary: For Those Who Haven't Listened

If you enjoy wild twists, this Second Date Update delivers. Joseph’s night at a Mexican restaurant with Sabrina — originally a spontaneous meetup after her date bailed — becomes the stuff of rom-coms: playful banter, food fights, a spark that leads them to her place. When Sabrina vanishes for days, Joseph fears the worst about her old flame; the hosts call Sabrina and discover the “ghosting” was only due to her phone being lost. All is sweetness and light until Joseph learns Sabrina is still (technically) engaged! She insists she’s working on breaking it off, but Joseph (though still interested) suggests waiting until her situation is truly resolved.

With a low success rate but high entertainment, this episode delivers every flavor of drama—from instant connection, to accidental ghosting, to a jaw-dropping engagement twist—all told with the tongue-in-cheek, irreverent style that Brooke and Jeffrey’s fans love.

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Transcript

[Brooke]

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[Joseph]

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[Brooke]

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[Joseph]

From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Valisha's journey is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change. Listen to Culture Raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Joseph]

No Such Thing.

[Brooke]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hey, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and this is the second Day podcast. Thanks for being here. The only disappointing news yesterday about Travis Kelce And Taylor Swift's engagement is that now she's never going to call us for a second date. You know, I was like, what is this? So sure it was gonna happen one day.

[Jeffrey]

She does need us to play matchmaker for her.

[Brooke]

I always thought she'd call into the show and be like, why isn't he calling me back? But it won't happen now, so.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. And then thank us for playing so much.

[Joseph]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Hey, maybe they'll end up in an awkward Tuesday or something. Oh, you know, you never know. So huge congrats, of course, from us. I think she's such a cool person and I'm glad she inspires other people.

[Jeffrey]

They've been so great.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

So we have a lot of drama.

[Brooke]

You know, some non famous people doing a second date update today.

[Jeffrey]

That's what we really care about.

[Brooke]

Hey, they could be. We don't know that.

[Jeffrey]

That's true.

[Brooke]

It's brand new. But before we get to it, let's read a comment. Yeah. Abby said, I love you guys, and I always listen when I'm gasping for air on the StairMaster at the gym. And you make the time go by easier.

[Jeffrey]

Why would you listen then? You're gonna be, like, laughing and out of breath at the same time.

[Brooke]

It's good. It's good for your cardio and your butt looks amaz. Amazing. Keep going on the StairMaster. There you go. All right, your brand new second date podcast starts right now.

[Jeffrey]

Second date update. Is there anything sadder than being out and seeing somebody else getting stood up for a date?

[Brooke]

Oh, that's so sad. Yeah. The sadder part is being the person stood up. Jeff.

[Jeffrey]

Alexis. Why are you smiling so big, though? Why?

[Brooke]

Kind of entertaining. Alexis, how long are they going to wait? You know, someone's misery. Where are they going to stay? An hour, two hours?

[Jeffrey]

She's like, that's a prime spot at the bar. I get to, like, slide in. But for one of our listeners, seeing somebody get stood up was actually the best thing to ever happen to him.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Jeffrey]

Because apparently he turned that woman's loss into his gain. I see.

[Brooke]

He did move in.

[Jeffrey]

So let's talk to Joseph about it. Joseph, welcome to the show.

[Joseph]

Hey, guys. How are you?

[Brooke]

Oh, my goodness. We can't wait to hear this story.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, yeah. What happened? You saw a woman get stood up somewhere?

[Joseph]

Yeah. So I went to this Mexican restaurant after I got off work, and I was gonna just meet my buddy at the bar.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Joseph]

But I get to the bar and there's only one seat open and it's Next to this woman. And she, you know, she's very, very pretty, and her name is Sabrina. I didn't know that at the time. So I go, hey, cool if I sit down here? She goes, actually, it's reserved. I have a date coming. And I was like, well, would you mind if I just sat here until my friend got here? Because, like, nowhere else for you to sit. She goes. She thinks about it for a moment. She goes, yeah, that's fine. You can sit.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

So she's planning on kicking you out?

[Joseph]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was waiting for a guy. And so, you know, I sit down and I start talking to her just to be polite while I wait for the bartender, take my order. And it actually starts going well. And we're talking now. It goes on for, like, 10 minutes. And I said, hopefully this guy didn't stand you up. And she's like, yeah, I hope so too. I get a drink. I say to her, what do you want? She gets a drink. So now we're both drinking.

[Brooke]

Oh, you're moving in. You're like. You're not even waiting for the whether or not the guy stood you up. You're texting your friend. You're like, hey, don't come.

[Joseph]

Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I said to him, don't come inside yet. Wait for my signals. They're really pretty girls there. I think she's being stood up.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay.

[Joseph]

Now it's 15 minutes. She thought this guy was coming any second. He's still not there. So we're drinking. I'm buying her drinks, and then she gets a text that the guy has canceled on her.

[Brooke]

Oh, dude, what a jerk. But also a way to turn lemons into margaritas.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Joseph]

So I text my friend, you know what? Turn around. Turn the car around. I don't need you tonight.

[Brooke]

You know, it's a good buddy when he's like, yeah, all right, good luck.

[Joseph]

Yeah, he gets it. He'd do the same thing to me. He'd blow up my car to be with a hot chick. Wow.

[Jeffrey]

So now all of a sudden, you have an insta day with the sad woman at the bar.

[Joseph]

Yeah. So I tell her, since we're both here, we both got stood up. Let's get a booth. We get a booth. I tell her she has beautiful eyes. It's a good vibe. Like, really fun. Like, there's a baby next table. The babies are throwing chips. So we start, like, throwing chips at the baby in a fun way.

[Brooke]

I thought I misunderstood what you just said.

[Joseph]

I love this.

[Jeffrey]

That's a good vibe for a date for you.

[Joseph]

I mean, we're having fun with this baby. I mean, you know, you're not going.

[Jeffrey]

To fight the baby. You're just going to. You're not holding a tortilla chip to the baby's throat. It's just like, light and playful.

[Joseph]

I didn't do that. Yeah.

[Brooke]

It sounds like your guys's vibe is really natural together.

[Jeffrey]

You're in your own world.

[Joseph]

Yeah. We start. We start having a food fight together, like chips, maybe a little bit of salsa. And she goes like, oh, you got some salsa in your cheeks. And she kisses me on the cheek.

[Jeffrey]

Wow.

[Joseph]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Salsa.

[Joseph]

This is like all in 40 minutes.

[Brooke]

Wow. She made the first move even.

[Joseph]

Yeah. I'm shocked. It was going small. I was, like, really shocked.

[Brooke]

Okay. It's so fun too. And it's like something you haven't planned.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

You know, so it's not like you had any nerves going into it.

[Jeffrey]

And I'm sure you would have done the same sort of things if your bro was there with you. So it's nice that you're able to do it to a woman as a.

[Brooke]

Kisses at babies.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Throwing. Yeah. Licking salts off each other's cheeks. That's just what bros do when we go out for, like, Mexican. Yeah.

[Joseph]

Hell yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Hell yeah, bro. Okay, so, I mean, this is turning into what sounds like the best date ever.

[Joseph]

Yeah. It's not only that. It's the best date in the history of old date. Whoa.

[Jeffrey]

Wow.

[Brooke]

What a statement. Okay, this pedestal has just been risen. Like, that is a really high place to put it.

[Jeffrey]

I need to high five that baby for being the best wingman ever. So, I mean, what happens after Mexican food?

[Joseph]

I went back to her place and we hung out okay. Until like, 2:00am Whoa.

[Brooke]

Did you talk at all?

[Joseph]

No, we sat there in silence. Yeah, we talked.

[Brooke]

I didn't mean. Brooke's asked me, sitting there in silence.

[Jeffrey]

If there was physical activities happening.

[Joseph]

We just. We had a really good time.

[Brooke]

Okay. Okay.

[Joseph]

So, yeah, the last thing I said to her was, when can I see you again? I really want to. She was like, well, I have this work trip the next day. And then she said something a little weird. She was like, I'm hoping not to run into my ex because it's where I'm from. It's in my hometown.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Jeffrey]

Oh.

[Brooke]

You could also think of it as like, she's so comfortable with you that she's just. Just talking. Right. Like, and maybe she didn't mean, like, if she had been More guarded. She probably wouldn't have said something like that.

[Jeffrey]

Just speaking her thoughts.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Or she know she might get back with him.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, was that what I'm thinking? Was that going through your mind when she said that? Joseph?

[Joseph]

It wasn't, but she ended it with I'm going to be back in a few days. And now it's been six days and there's no answer. And I'm wondering now, did she run into him and are they back together?

[Jeffrey]

So you've texted her in that time and she's not responding to you or what's happening?

[Joseph]

She's not responding. Yeah, she hasn't responded, bro.

[Jeffrey]

I know we're normally the other way around, but have you considered that you just met someone at the bar, had a fun night and that's all they want?

[Joseph]

Like, I think she would have been more clear about that towards the end or, you know, kind of blew me off, but she was so like into me and she seems so excited to see me again. I just. I don't think that's the case at all, guys.

[Jeffrey]

Well, you can feel the energy.

[Joseph]

We can't.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I'm back with my ex is going to be a real simple answer. I don't know why she couldn't just text that.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. If that's the case true or is it possible it was just. You know how they say Mexican food is an aphrodisiac? Maybe that was like rolling over and now that the Mexicans worn off. Those were blue corn.

[Brooke]

I do love tacos.

[Jeffrey]

So you said it's been six days. She's not answering anything you're sending her. It's not looking great, but hopefully we can get her on the phone and she'll pick up for us. We'll get you some answers about your impromptu date at the Mexican restaurant with your second date update right after this.

[Joseph]

Thank you.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, we got to do this for the best date in all of history.

[Joseph]

So.

[Jeffrey]

Hold on. Second date update. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and we're in the middle of a second date update with one of our listeners, Joseph, who kind of lucked into the best date of his entire life when he was at a Mexican restaurant. There was one seat open at the bar. The woman right next to him got stood up for her date. So they ended up talking, grabbing some drinks, got some food, ended up back at her place where he didn't leave until 2 in the morning.

[Brooke]

Why does your voice get lower and slower as you just describe it? Jeff?

[Jeffrey]

Sexy, bro. How else am I supposed to describe the best date in the history of all mankind. And the last thing that she said to him, and this is key, at least for Joseph, is I'm going to be going on a work trip to my hometown and I just hope I don't run into my ex. So Brooke, what are the percentages that that actually happened and she met up with her ex boyfriend? Are we talking 50? 50 here? 20, 80, 100. 0.

[Brooke]

I think it's 100% that she definitely hooked up with her ex over the weekend. But. But that doesn't mean they're back together. Yeah. You know, usually you hook up and then you're like, yeah, I see why we did this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joseph]

I don't like that you're putting this in my head. I really don't.

[Brooke]

Yeah, just trying to prepare you.

[Jeffrey]

Exactly. I will take the other angle and say there is no chance that she met up with her ex boyfriend and she was thinking about you the entire time she was at work. She's so nervous. Her fingers are so sweaty. She can't dial you or text you. Yeah.

[Brooke]

What a cute, naive world you live in.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. She didn't even type anything on her work laptop. She was just your name over and over and over again the entire trip.

[Brooke]

Wow.

[Jeffrey]

That's what I'm thinking happened.

[Brooke]

Hopefully that wouldn't be a red flag. Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that would be scary dog. Okay, but let's find out. We'll see what actually happened if she picks up the phone. I'm going to dial her number right now, but. Here we go.

[Brooke]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hey, is this Sabrina?

[Joseph]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Awesome. So, hey, Sabrina, thank you for picking up. You are on a radio show right now. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. Hello? Good morning.

[Brooke]

It's not the rental car place? No.

[Jeffrey]

No.

[Brooke]

I'm confused.

[Joseph]

Why would the radio show call me?

[Jeffrey]

Well, sorry we can't return.

[Brooke]

Whatever. You forgotten your rental car? That's what always happens to me too.

[Jeffrey]

You're not allowed to run a car? Yes, sorry. I don't know what's going on with that, but we're a show. We do a segment on this show called the Second Date Update, which is where we help out our listeners if they've gone out with somebody or had a fun romantic encounter. In your case, we try to help them reconnect and figure out if there's a chance at a second meetup.

[Joseph]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. So, popular segment. Yeah. And we're doing this on behalf of one of our listeners that met you the other day. It's a Guy named Joseph.

[Joseph]

Joseph.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Joseph]

I was gonna call him later.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's great news. Is he, like, jumping the gun like you just. Just got home and you haven't had time to talk?

[Joseph]

No, no, I just got my phone back today because I left it. That's why I thought it was the rental car place.

[Brooke]

I left my phone in the rental.

[Joseph]

Car and then it took them like five or six days to get it back to me, so I just got it today.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's great news.

[Joseph]

This is a normal one then. Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Dude, that's awesome. So you were gonna call Joseph today and get another date set up?

[Joseph]

Yes, I've been thinking about him this whole time.

[Brooke]

You were right, Jeff.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, of course I'm right.

[Brooke]

So look, Sabrina, I'm saying that again.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Sabrina, sorry to do this to you, but the whole reason that we called is Joseph reached out. He told us about your date at the Mexican restaurant. Said it was the best hangout he's ever had. Does that mean you think the same? Was it the best?

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Joseph]

He said that?

[Brooke]

Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, this is awesome.

[Brooke]

He said the best date in the history of all dates. If we want to do it correct.

[Jeffrey]

Let'S not put too much pressure.

[Joseph]

Sweet. Oh, my God, I feel like an idiot.

[Jeffrey]

Don't, dude, he's circumstance.

[Brooke]

He's gonna be so relieved because he thought it was something that he did and that's why.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Joseph]

You weren't calling.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Heard from you in days and days, so. This is so cute.

[Joseph]

Can you guys just tell him that what I said that I. That I do want to see him again. Can you tell him for me?

[Jeffrey]

Well, this is the best. Sure we could, but you've kind of already told him because he's actually on the phone with us right now on the other line listening to this.

[Joseph]

What?

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Joseph]

Joseph is on here.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that's how this segment works. We have them waiting on the other line, so. Joseph, are you there, man?

[Joseph]

Yeah, I'm here.

[Jeffrey]

Hey.

[Brooke]

Hey.

[Jeffrey]

Joseph, you must be so happy. Yeah, I can't imagine what you're feeling right now. Talk to Sabrina.

[Joseph]

Hey, Sabrina, what's up? It's Joseph.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, pretty much said that.

[Joseph]

Joseph, I am so sorry. I'm so sorry. I really was gonna call you. Yeah, no, I'm sorry that I did it through a radio show. I just had such an amazing night and I want more than one night with you.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow.

[Joseph]

Oh, you are so sweet. Like, you have no idea. I. I literally miss the sound of your voice.

[Brooke]

Wow. Really?

[Jeffrey]

They are really on the same page. Yeah.

[Joseph]

For real. Seriously, your voice is so sexy.

[Brooke]

I just love. Wait, should we get off the phone?

[Joseph]

I love the way you say quesadilla. Oh, well, in that case, quesadilla.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, you only have to dial a 900 number to hear stuff like this. Give me credit card.

[Brooke]

Dude, I don't even want to get into a smothered burrito.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, you know, Sabrina, don't suggest things.

[Joseph]

Are you there? Yeah, yeah, I'm here. I'm being really serious. If you were with me right now, I would totally kiss. You.

[Jeffrey]

Said kiss.

[Joseph]

I would kiss you 10 times. I would kiss you so much more that I couldn't kiss you anymore.

[Brooke]

Okay, this is too cute.

[Jeffrey]

Well, hold on. Then what would Joseph do after the 10, Jeffrey?

[Joseph]

I mean, that's not going to stop me. Sabrina. I am a kissing machine around Kiss.

[Brooke]

What every girl wants.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, well, I'm sensing, and maybe I'm reading this wrong, that there's a little bit of a connection happening. There's like too much chemistry.

[Brooke]

Jeffrey's the only one in the room that's comfortable.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, yeah, I'm feeling a vibe.

[Brooke]

So, Joseph, I mean, you are cute.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Joseph, this is sounding like the best news ever for you.

[Joseph]

Just really relieved, like. Sabrina, I was so worried that we went on your work trip. I thought you might have seen your ex and something happened.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, we forgot about that.

[Joseph]

Oh, yeah, I did see him.

[Brooke]

Discuss this though.

[Joseph]

But Sabrina, you didn't do anything with him, right?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, no.

[Joseph]

I mean, I'm just so excited to see you again.

[Brooke]

That's right, Sabrina.

[Jeffrey]

There we go, dodging the question.

[Brooke]

Everyone does it. It's fine.

[Joseph]

Wait, Tiggy, you didn't answer my question though. You didn't hook up with your ex, right? I don't know how much I should go into it with you.

[Brooke]

Not at all.

[Joseph]

Oh my God. You hooked up with it. You hooked up with him, didn't you?

[Brooke]

Oh, don't.

[Joseph]

Okay, Joseph, you don't understand. It takes a while to break off an engagement. It doesn't just happen automatically.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Joseph]

What?

[Brooke]

Wait, are you still engaged?

[Joseph]

Wait, you were. Hold up. You're engaged? This guy?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, no.

[Joseph]

Well, technically. But we weren't even in the same city. Except for this past weekend, but I don't even want that to be a thing.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, wait, what? We're currently engaged?

[Joseph]

Yeah. Soon to be ex.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, okay, wait a second.

[Joseph]

I'm verbally involved with him, like today.

[Brooke]

That's not even a distinguished like, you don't.

[Joseph]

Well, like, emotionally, I'm distancing myself.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay.

[Brooke]

No, emotionally, you're cheating on him. Is the wedding happening or.

[Joseph]

Guys, I just want to know. Physically. I don't care about verbally or emotionally, bro.

[Brooke]

Wait, it's a yes.

[Jeffrey]

I don't even know and it's a yes. Come on, man. Like, are you sure? Jeff, don't.

[Brooke]

Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Because it's at this point that I would like to ask if you would be willing, Sabrina to go out with Joseph one more time.

[Brooke]

She can't. She's taken. She's engaged to another dude.

[Jeffrey]

I'm sorry, should I have asked that question earlier when they were talking about being kissing machines on each other? It was the best date ever. Oh, like five minutes ago. That was my bad. But Sabrina, the offer still stands. We'll offer to pay for a date.

[Brooke]

We're going to pay.

[Joseph]

My answer is yes. My answer is yes.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. She's. She's distancing herself from her current fiance. Verbally, emotionally and man. Verbally. Not quite physically yet. But that happens every time you go meet up with your exes.

[Joseph]

So I'm working on it. You guys, we won't be together in a month, I promise.

[Brooke]

Just break up with the man.

[Jeffrey]

Because, Joseph, she did say yes. You heard it. She wants to see you again. Let's put everything else aside, including her engagement to another man. And your. Morris, I need to hear from you. Is it a yes to another date with Sabrina? And I want you to remember to think with your heart, not with your head.

[Brooke]

Jeff, you're talking nonsense.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, mute. Brooks. Mike, please.

[Joseph]

Thank you.

[Jeffrey]

Joseph, the question was directed to you.

[Brooke]

You better say no, Joseph.

[Joseph]

I mean, I want to hang out with you again, but I have to wait till you're done. So just. Can you just talk to me after?

[Brooke]

Yeah. Okay. Because you could totally believe her when she says yeah, we're totally broken up.

[Jeffrey]

Joseph, you might have to say the word quesadilla one more time in order to get her back on your side.

[Joseph]

Oh, that's what I love.

[Brooke]

That's so weird.

[Jeffrey]

I feel good about this now. I don't have to dial that. You won't mind. You really found the sweet spot.

[Joseph]

I did.

[Jeffrey]

This was great. Successful second date. Update everybody. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Joseph]

So what happened to Chappaquiddick?

[Brooke]

Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

[Jeffrey]

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Brooke]

Left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline I think in the New York Daily News, it's Teddy escapes, blonde drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president?

[Jeffrey]

Kappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

[Brooke]

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

[Jeffrey]

The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week, we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Brooke]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, and in session 421 of Therapy for Black Girls, I sit down with Dr. Afia and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right, in terms of it can tell how old old you are, your marital status, where you're from, your spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right? That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our communities, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neal Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to Therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jeffrey]

Timing really is everything in life, and I kind of blame you guys for not encouraging me to jump in earlier to offer them another date sooner.

[Brooke]

How are you not apologizing right now for even putting the date on the table?

[Jeffrey]

Dude, what are you talking about?

[Brooke]

She's engaged. How many times do you have to hear that to understand it? But I can guarantee that guy does not know he's soon to be ex.

[Jeffrey]

Emotionally, she's not engaged. In her heart, she's not. Oh, my God, she's not even wearing the ring.

[Brooke]

Hey, around when she's not around her.

[Jeffrey]

Fiance, and he's never around because he's far away, back in their hometown. She never even sees the guy, and she promised us that in a month he'll probably be gone.

[Brooke]

Maybe we never even brought up the fact that she was waiting for a different guy to go on a date with. She is like actively dating.

[Jeffrey]

I hear what you're saying. She's a catch, and it's really nice that he was able to lock her down. Out of all the men, Joseph came out on top.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Jeffrey]

So that is a big win for us. Congratulations to us for making this happen. I don't want to cause drama, but if you're engaged, check on your fiance. Yeah, probably a safe thing to do. But if you're not engaged and you need help with your dating life, email us and we can help you get into a relationship with someone who's engaged, who's in another relationship. Well, it is what we did this time, so it was an accident. But most of the time, single people, that's who we help and go check out all of our second dates. They're up with lots of single people. Yes, they're up online, wherever you get your podcast at.

[Brooke]

Brooke and Jeffrey, have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she Pivots. I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer. Jody Sweetie.

[Joseph]

Monica Padme.

[Brooke]

Elaine Welteroth. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Listen to these women and more on she Pivots now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Culture Eats strategy for breakfast, right?

[Joseph]

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us, I was joined by Felicia Butterfield, media founder, political strategist, and tech powerhouse for a powerful conversation on storytelling impact and the intersections of culture and leadership.

[Brooke]

I am a fan free black woman.

[Joseph]

From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Felicia's journey is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change. Listen to Culture Raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brooke]

Back to the Future was released 40 years ago this summer, but the original star was just not feeling the story and was fired after most of the filming was done. Turns out a lot of stars have made blockbusters they hated. Check out the backstory with Patty Steele on the iHeartRadio app.

[Jeffrey]

Why are TSA rules so confusing? You got a hoodie on. Take it off. I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devin, and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing. Where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming at me? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me. I deserve it, you know? Lock him up. Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joseph]

No Such Thing.

[Brooke]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.