Second Date Update: Microwave Mosaics

Summary

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Second Date Update: "Microwave Mosaics" – Brooke and Jeffrey (Nov 21, 2025)

Episode Overview

This high-spirited episode of "Second Date Update" features the return of a fan-favorite, Kevin—known for his quirky fridge art—as he reaches out to the hosts (Brooke and Jeffrey) for help reconnecting with Audrey, a fellow art enthusiast he met at Michael’s. What begins as an awkward missed connection rapidly turns into a tongue-in-cheek volley of petty justifications, hypothetical tragedies, and the spectacularly odd world of “microwave mosaics.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up with "Fridge Kevin" (02:39–05:01)

• Kevin Returns: The hosts recall Kevin’s prior appearance involving an art piece inside his fridge made with toilet paper, leading to a failed date. (“He is so iconic… the fridge scaper!” – Brooke, 02:52)
• Kevin’s Art Evolution: No longer "fridge scaping," Kevin explains his new artistic pursuit: microwave mosaics—arranging and photographing splatter stains inside his microwave to create abstract art. (“I rearrange the leftover stains into abstract pieces. The splatter patterns, they tell a story.” – Kevin, 05:14)

2. The Meet Cute & Plan Gone Awry (05:43–08:14)

• How They Met: Kevin met Audrey at Michael’s craft store. Both bonded over art supplies—Kevin with “jumbo googly eyes” and Audrey picking up acrylic paint.
• Date Plan: Kevin asked Audrey out, and she accepted. He prepared to show her his microwave mosaics portfolio at a bar.
• The Mishap: Audrey arrived an hour late, didn’t initially apologize, and Kevin walked out as soon as she said “hi.” ("…she said, and I was like, bye." – Kevin, 07:53)

3. Post-Date Miscommunication and Regrets (08:14–10:17)

• Mutual Rudeness: Hosts debate who was more at fault: Audrey, for being late and not texting, or Kevin, for storming out without hearing her out.
• Regrets Surface: Kevin admits he may have acted too quickly, especially after Audrey texted that he was being rude and had “no idea what [she] was going through.” He calls in for advice and a second chance.
• Brooke’s Lesson: "You just don't know what people are going through ever." (Brooke, 12:15)

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4. The Confrontation: Audrey’s Side of the Story (13:00–16:07)

• Audrey’s Perspective: She expresses disappointment that Kevin didn't ask why she was late. She presents a hypothetical scenario: “What if I told you one of my parents had passed away that day?” (Audrey, 14:27)
• Clarification: It was a theoretical example about hidden struggles, not an actual loss, causing an emotional whiplash for the hosts and listeners. ("I just felt really terrible. Yeah, that was an emotional roller coaster." – Brooke, 15:24)
• The Real Reason: When pressed, Audrey declines to share at first, suggesting she'd answer if Kevin asked her directly.

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5. Clearing the Air: Truth, Pettiness & Non-Apologies (16:07–19:15)

• Kevin and Audrey’s Conversation: Kevin apologizes for not giving her a chance to explain, and finally asks for the real reason she was late.
• Audrey’s Honesty: She admits, “I kind of just forgot about it.” (Audrey, 17:02)
• Petty Escalation: Both swap increasingly dark hypotheticals, trying to one-up each other over whose actions were more excusable.
  • (“What if I told her when I was about ready to storm off that I had to go because of my parents’ funeral?” – Kevin, 18:07)
  • (“Why are we both throwing hypotheticals at each other, like really dark ones?” – Brooke, 18:16)
• Refusal to Apologize: Despite urging from the hosts, neither offers a genuine apology. Audrey jokes, “I think you know that it’s gonna take me at least an hour.” (Audrey, 19:06)

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6. "Microwave Mosaics" and the (Non)Resolution (19:18–20:23)

• Kevin’s Artistic Vulnerability: He laments, “I can’t believe, like, that I was actually going to show you my microwave mosaics. Like, I’ve never even shown that to another woman in person.” (Kevin, 19:18)
• Audrey Claps Back: “He told me about it. He wouldn’t shut up about it.” (Audrey, 19:30)
• Attempts at Reconciliation: Jeffrey formally offers a second date paid for by the show. Audrey sarcastically claims, “Look at that. I just got a text that I think my parents had—” (Audrey, 19:52), mocking the earlier hypothetical.
• Finale: Kevin, possibly confused and flustered, gives up with a resigned, “Well, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Bye.” (Kevin, 19:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I rearrange the leftover stains into abstract pieces. The splatter patterns, they tell a story now.”
  — Kevin, on "microwave mosaics" (05:14)
• “Like, you said, hi. He said, bye.”
  — Brooke, summarizing the disastrous encounter (13:55)
• “What if I told you guys that one of my parents had passed away that day?”
  — Audrey, with maximum dramatic flair (14:27)
• “Well, I mean, in my defense, it didn’t—they didn’t really die… I said, what if my parents died?”
  — Audrey, clarifying her hypothetical (15:06)
• “Now I just feel like you’re being petty.”
  — Audrey, as hypothetical accusations pile up (18:20)
• “I think you know that it's gonna take me at least an hour.”
  — Audrey, on apologizing for being late (19:06)
• “He told me about it. He wouldn't shut up about it.”
  — Audrey, on Kevin’s microwave mosaics obsession (19:30)
• “Well, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Bye.”
  — Kevin, making his exit (19:35)
• “Kevin, you need to date an accountant.”
  — Brooke, after the artistic match implodes (20:29)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:39] – Kevin’s return and explanation of “fridge scaping”
• [05:04] – Reveal of “microwave mosaics” as Kevin’s new art project
• [06:10] – How Kevin met Audrey at Michael’s
• [07:00] – Kevin describes waiting at the bar and his reaction to Audrey’s lateness
• [13:03] – Audrey joins the call to give her side of the story
• [14:27] – Audrey’s “what if my parent died” hypothetical
• [15:06] – Audrey reveals she was speaking hypothetically, not factually
• [16:57] – Audrey admits she simply forgot about the date
• [19:06] – Audrey’s quip about needing an hour to apologize
• [19:35] – Kevin closes with his signature “Bye”

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Tone, Conclusions & Lasting Impressions

The tone throughout is irreverent, snarky, and full of the oddball humor typical of Brooke and Jeffrey. Both hosts and callers oscillate between genuine curiosity and playful antagonism, perfectly capturing the modern challenges of digital-age dating—especially for those with “quirky” creative pursuits. The episode is a rollercoaster of minor grievances, miscommunications, and failed (but entertaining) attempts at reconciliation. Despite the lack of a successful second date, the real win is in the offbeat, transparently human exchange and the reminder: sometimes, it just isn’t meant to be.

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For listeners who missed it:
You’ll appreciate the mix of cringe, comedy, and just a touch of sincerity—plus, you’ll be on the lookout for the next viral art movement coming to a kitchen appliance near you.

Transcript

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

Oh, you're in for a treat today because one of our most iconic second daters is back.

[Josh Zieman]

Yes.

[Brooke]

Still needs our help. Or needs our help again, I should say. I know, which is a bummer because he is so iconic. He is.

[Jeffrey]

He is.

[Brooke]

You're gonna know this.

[Jeffrey]

So entertaining.

[Brooke]

Yeah. You're gonna know this guy immediately. Hey, welcome to the brand new second date update episode. Thanks for being part of the podcast. And we love when you let us know what you think, how you feel about the show, maybe your opinions on how it went or, you know, how you started listening. Whatever you want to say. Yeah, we like to read it. Well, this one says, y' all crack me up. You're like free therapy. And I listened to you at 11pm every night. What more could you want? Hey, Harrison here. Listening from dubai.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, dude, 11pm Therapy session should be a thing.

[Brooke]

We are not therapy.

[Jeffrey]

As I go to bed is when I think about all the problems in my life.

[Brooke]

Yeah, it's always hardest at night. Yeah, that's just how it is always for everyone.

[Jeffrey]

Good strat, bro.

[Brooke]

I'm glad we got you through that.

[Josh Zieman]

Awesome.

[Brooke]

Thanks for leaving that comment and for listening all the way from Dubai. That's so cool.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Oh, your therapy session starts now.

[Brooke]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jeffrey]

Exactly.

[Brooke]

It's a brand new second date.

[Jeffrey]

Second date update on the phone right now. We have a return caller who's more than just a man, really. He's an artist. You may remember Kevin from a previous second date call where he decorates the inside of his fridge as part of a TikTok trend.

[Brooke]

He's a fridge Kevin.

[Jeffrey]

That's right. Fridge scaper. Couldn't be more thrilled to have him back on the show. Okay, Kevin, real quick, could you remind us what happened the last time you were on with us for a second date?

[Kevin]

Well, I had a girl around me place and I ran out toilet paper for her.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Brooke]

You'd used it in this sculpture that was inside your fridge, right?

[Kevin]

Yep. She didn't like that. Thought of using the toilet paper out of the fridge.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. Cold toilet paper, actually. Pro tip.

[Brooke]

Yeah, for those reasons, you can't ruin art just for the bathroom.

[Jeffrey]

Some people are particular about lots of weird things. So obviously she wasn't your match. But you're back today because maybe you found yourself a new romantic interest. Is that right?

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. Did she get to see your fridge scaping skills?

[Kevin]

No, actually, TikTok trend kind of died out now, so.

[Brooke]

Oh, you're not doing it. You only go with the trends. You don't do it because you like it.

[Kevin]

No. Yeah, I got a new. Got a new thing.

[Josh Zieman]

What?

[Brooke]

I'm so curious. What's your new hobby?

[Kevin]

Yeah, do you guys know microwave mosaics?

[Jeffrey]

Microwave mosaic?

[Brooke]

Sounds like it shouldn't be metal.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. What is that?

[Kevin]

So what I do is I rearrange the leftover stains into abstract pieces. The splatter patterns, like, they tell a story now.

[Audrey]

Wow.

[Jeffrey]

Patterns inside your microwave. You turn that into, like, a scene.

[Brooke]

What do you mean? Do you, like, painted onto, like, what it looks like you painted onto a canvas or.

[Kevin]

Yeah, no, I just. I'll leave, like, soup in there way too long, and then I take some pictures of it.

[Brooke]

Oh, that would have totally earned you an A in one of my art classes in college.

[Kevin]

Right.

[Jeffrey]

Back to this new girl. What's her name?

[Kevin]

Her name is Audrey.

[Brooke]

Okay, Audrey. And how did you meet Audrey?

[Kevin]

I met her at Michael's when I was picking up some art supplies.

[Brooke]

Okay, so she's a crafty gal, too.

[Jeffrey]

Shared interests.

[Kevin]

Yeah, it was pretty awesome. Like, I was picking up a jumbo of googly eyes, and she was getting some sort of acrylic paint, and. Yeah, we just started talking about art.

[Jeffrey]

The googly eyes is a conversation starter at checkout, for sure.

[Brooke]

I think that's so fun. Like, art. Art is so important, you know, especially to your life. So that's cool that you bonded over that immediately.

[Jeffrey]

Very true.

[Kevin]

Yeah. Just asked her if she wanted to grab a drink sometime, and she gave me her number. So sweet.

[Jeffrey]

There you go.

[Brooke]

Isn't that wild? Like Michaels, the hookup spot.

[Jeffrey]

I know. It feels like fate intervenes in the arts and crafts section. Michaels is a good place. Find a girl.

[Brooke]

I mean, hot tip. Make sure you have the app and the coupons, because you could really save somebody a lot of money.

[Jeffrey]

All right.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

You lost me there, bro. Yeah, it's like the granny tip. But where did you and Audrey go for your date?

[Kevin]

Well, the. The date sort of didn't happen. I feel bad about kind of how it went down, you know?

[Brooke]

What happened?

[Kevin]

Well, I had a reservation at this bar, and we were supposed to meet up there.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Kevin]

You know, I even brought my whole portfolio to show some of my microwave mosaics to her because I thought, like, she's an artist. She's gonna appreciate this. And, okay, I get there first, and I'm waiting for her. Fifteen minutes goes by, 20, 30, she's not there. And then after one hour, she finally shows up.

[Brooke]

Oh, she does. That's shocking.

[Kevin]

No apology. I'm super upset at this point. Internally fuming. I just decide, you know what? I'm leaving.

[Brooke]

Whoa.

[Jeffrey]

Some of those artists, creative types, not as, like, on schedule. But being late, the no apology, I mean, doesn't mean it's excusable, but at least have some empathy. Like, was there a conversation that happened at all?

[Kevin]

I mean, it was just like, hi, she said, and I was like, bye.

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Brooke]

Oh, wait, you didn't explain why you were mad.

[Kevin]

Well, she's an hour late.

[Brooke]

I know, but you didn't even give her a chance to apologize. Like, she literally said hi, and then you said bye, like, got up and left. What if the apology was coming?

[Kevin]

Well, I wasn't. I didn't hear anything, so I decided that actually makes.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

You have to wait till at least after dinner to get the apology, and then you can storm off.

[Brooke]

Are you regretting that because you're calling us to get her back.

[Jeffrey]

Right?

[Kevin]

I mean, that's the thing. Like, that's why I'm calling, because she did text me after the fact and was like, what you did was rude, and you have no idea what I'm going through.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Kevin]

Oh.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, she's going.

[Brooke]

It was rude. I will say. Like, I mean, her showing up that late is also rude, but, like, without any texts.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. She didn't even say, like, hey, I'm running late. That's. Even later happened.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Josh Zieman]

So it's. So then we could.

[Brooke]

Huge car accident. You left before she got to tell you.

[Jeffrey]

Well, if her fingers still work, she could at least be like, hey.

[Brooke]

I mean, did you ever find out.

[Kevin]

No. At this point, like, I reached out and, like, I don't know if I'm, like, blocked or what. What not. Because there's just, like, no response. Oh, man.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know whose side to be on, because they both were kind of balanced rudeness. Yeah. Yeah, they both have.

[Brooke]

I mean.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it could have worked it out better.

[Brooke]

Yeah. It's one of those situations that I think we could maybe fix, honestly. Yeah, it sounds like it. It went from 0 to 100 way too quick in frustration, so.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Kevin, do you still want to, like, try again to get another date with her out of this? Is that your hope?

[Kevin]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Like, just, like, a redo.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

And how Are you gonna feel if she doesn't apologize still?

[Kevin]

Oh, another good question I hadn't thought about.

[Brooke]

Okay, maybe you can think about that one.

[Jeffrey]

She doesn't get to see his microwave mosaic portfolio, and that's going to be her loss, dude.

[Kevin]

True.

[Brooke]

I bet the tomato soup one is going to be one of the faves.

[Kevin]

Have you seen it? Do you follow me?

[Josh Zieman]

No.

[Jeffrey]

You gotta DM some of the photos, though, over to us. Just on Brook's profile.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Oh, and the oatmeal, because that oatmeal always explodes.

[Jeffrey]

You know what I mean?

[Brooke]

It really does.

[Jeffrey]

This is a totally different segment of the microwave mosaic art break breakdown. Yeah, we'll do that on your Fun Little side podcast. Yeah.

[Josh Zieman]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

All right. But now we gotta stick to the second date update, hopefully get some answers for Kevin and find out why Audrey didn't show up for an hour.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I hope we're not prying.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, I hope we are. You'll do it with your second date update right after this second date update. You know, a true artist is able to move between. Between mediums. Like Picasso did when he shifted from his Blue period into surrealism.

[Brooke]

I don't know that that's correct.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, really, Brooke? Yeah, well, technically, that was not the right age period. Nobody likes that person, Brooke.

[Brooke]

Saying.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, okay, you're not backing down. The point is, our listener Kevin was able, miraculously, to move from fridge scapes into microwave mosaics.

[Brooke]

Yeah, show me those splatter patterns.

[Jeffrey]

He takes photos of abstract soup splatter in his microwave and posts them online.

[Brooke]

Dude, you should try butter. That stuff explodes like crazy in the microwave.

[Jeffrey]

Kevin, she's telling you you're doing your art wrong.

[Brooke]

No, I'm not. I'm excited about it. Jeff. I want to.

[Jeffrey]

Like, you're telling him how to do it.

[Brooke]

Sorry for suggestions. Jeff. I will never suggest anything ever again.

[Jeffrey]

An aggressive suggestion, but Kevin wears his emotions on his sleeve, and if I'm reading him right today, he's feeling a little guilty.

[Brooke]

Wow. Way to imply how he's feeling, Jeff. Okay, I think maybe you should.

[Jeffrey]

Kevin, am I in the ballpark?

[Audrey]

Yes.

[Jeffrey]

This is. We may be having an internal struggle here. Can we call you back tomorrow?

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

The issue is Kevin's date showed up an hour late, and when she arrived, she said hi. Kevin just said bye and walked away.

[Brooke]

Which I don't blame you. Like, waiting an hour is. Oh, God, I can't believe you did that. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Afterwards, though, she did send a text saying you were rude. You don't even know what I'm going through right now. So that made Kevin feel like, oops, maybe he messed up.

[Brooke]

Which is kind of a good life lesson, you know, you just don't know what people are going through ever.

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Brooke]

I mean, as soon as we get her on the phone and we get you on as well. Are you wanting to apologize or lay into her?

[Kevin]

I do want to hear what she has to say, which is what I didn't do in the first place.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Kevin]

And also, I really want her to see my portfolio.

[Jeffrey]

Right.

[Brooke]

Because she's an art lover, too. Yeah, we want to see it, too.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, yeah, we do. Or was it, I'm ready to buy it for something else. But anyway, the only one who thought, I can't get into the mind of the artist right now.

[Brooke]

There are a lot of horny, weird men in say that. Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

I'm just going to call Audrey and hopefully we can move past the mental images going on in my head right now. All right, here we go.

[Kevin]

Hello?

[Jeffrey]

Hi, is this Audrey?

[Audrey]

Yeah, this is her.

[Brooke]

I'm so excited to talk to her.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we're all excited to talk to you, Audrey, because you're on a radio show right now called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Brooke]

Welcome to the show, Audrey.

[Kevin]

Hi, good morning.

[Audrey]

Yeah, I know. I'm all set, guys. Thank you so much.

[Brooke]

Please don't hang up because it's not a telemarketer call.

[Jeffrey]

We're doing a segment from our show. This is called a Second Date Update. Have you ever heard of that before?

[Audrey]

I. Yeah, I guess. How did you get my number?

[Jeffrey]

We have a listener named Kevin who says he went out. Well, he almost went out on a date with you recently.

[Kevin]

Oh, God.

[Brooke]

I know, I know. It wasn't a good interaction. We know that.

[Audrey]

Yeah. No, I mean, did he even tell you what he did?

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, then he walked out. The full story that we heard is you had planned a date at a restaurant. You were running about an hour late. There wasn't a whole lot of communication. And so when you arrived, he just decided to get up and leave.

[Brooke]

Like, you said, hi. He said, bye.

[Audrey]

Yeah, I mean, like, I showed up and he never even asked me why I was late. He never checked to see if I was okay, you know, if I was going through something.

[Josh Zieman]

Right.

[Jeffrey]

Interesting.

[Brooke]

And he never.

[Jeffrey]

Why didn't you text him at all? Like, oh, My God, it's 15 minutes late. I should probably say something.

[Audrey]

Like, I was, you know, I was going through something, and I just. It wasn't okay. Going to get there. When I was Going to get there.

[Jeffrey]

That's understandable. And Kevin has looked back on the entire experience, and he feels like he messed up. That's kind of why we're calling now.

[Audrey]

Okay, well, what if I told you guys that one of my parents had passed away that day?

[Brooke]

Oh, my God. So sorry. That's terrible.

[Audrey]

Yeah, I mean, I tried to pull myself together after. I had, like, an hour to process it.

[Brooke]

What?

[Audrey]

And I made my way over to the restaurant, and then I walked in. He was just so cold to me, and, like.

[Brooke]

No, I can't even believe that you even. Yeah. Showed up. I mean, maybe you were just in shock.

[Jeffrey]

I would only need 30 minutes to grieve personally, but for most people. Yes, that. That is. That's a lot.

[Audrey]

Well, I mean, in my defense, it didn't. They didn't really die.

[Jeffrey]

What?

[Audrey]

But, like, they could have. And at least then, like, he could have asked me what? He should have asked me what was going on.

[Jeffrey]

Hold on.

[Brooke]

No, she didn't say someone died. She said her parents died. Her. Your parents didn't die?

[Audrey]

Well, I mean, I said, what if my parents died? Like, if that was a scenario.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, that was a theoretical situation you threw at us.

[Brooke]

I just felt really terrible. Yeah, that was an emotional roller coaster.

[Jeffrey]

All of our hearts were for you, Audrey.

[Brooke]

I didn't know we're playing what if. Let's emphasize the what if. Maybe stronger next time, because I definitely do.

[Audrey]

Well, I mean, I was trying to just give an example of how you don't know what's going on in somebody's life. You know, like.

[Brooke]

Yeah, okay.

[Jeffrey]

You went with a really dark example.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Can you just tell us what was going on with you? I mean, we. I don't mean to pry personally, but I just. Recovery. I don't know if I want to.

[Jeffrey]

Know what was the real reason that you were an hourly?

[Audrey]

I don't know. Maybe if Kevin were to ask me, then maybe I'd answer him, but I don't think it's really any of your business.

[Brooke]

Oh, okay. Well, that works.

[Josh Zieman]

Sure.

[Jeffrey]

It actually. It works perfectly because Kevin is on the phone on the other line right now waiting to talk to you.

[Kevin]

Hi.

[Jeffrey]

Oh.

[Brooke]

He almost felt like the worst person in the world with that parent thing.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Kevin, what did happen? I still don't really understand. I get it. That maybe you were going through something. You know, I feel bad that I didn't give you a chance to explain yourself.

[Brooke]

She's still there.

[Audrey]

I mean, well, what if I told you that my parents passed?

[Brooke]

What? You already heard.

[Jeffrey]

He heard that part.

[Audrey]

Audrey, Wait, you were here the whole time?

[Jeffrey]

Yes. Yes. On the whole, you have them listening. He was being quiet, so he knows that that's not true.

[Kevin]

Yeah. So why were you really late?

[Audrey]

If you really want to know, I. I kind of just forgot about it.

[Kevin]

Oh, okay.

[Jeffrey]

Wait. What's worse? The parents passing or her forgetting about the case? I know it's pretty close.

[Brooke]

Why is there no in between? Can we just lie? There's something else. I think forgetting is forgivable. I don't know. I forget stuff all the time if I don't put it in my calendar.

[Jeffrey]

Like you have to write stuff down too. Totally.

[Brooke]

But you got to be honest about it.

[Audrey]

Well, because he had. He had texted me, you know, where are you? And then that's when I realized, like, oh God, I forgot I'm supposed to go on a date with that curly haired art guy. And I realized. And then I tried to get ready and you know, like, I. Where we were meeting wasn't super close, so I needed like time to drive and I got over there and, you know, I show up and then all of a sudden he's just like, bye. And I was like, okay, you didn't even give me a chance to say anything.

[Brooke]

What were you gonna say?

[Audrey]

I mean, I don't know. I was gonna say something about my parents. I don't know.

[Jeffrey]

You were gonna lie to him? She's gonna say what if first though. Yeah, I told you. Kevin, how are you feeling hearing all of this?

[Kevin]

I mean, I'm just kind of like wondering what if I told her when I was about ready to storm off like that I had to go because of my parents funeral.

[Brooke]

Okay, let's not.

[Josh Zieman]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Why are we both throwing hypotheticals at each other? Like really dark ones?

[Audrey]

Yeah, now I just feel like you're being petty.

[Kevin]

I'm just using the example that you use Audrey for me. So if I'm being petty, then that's your fault.

[Brooke]

Oh, God.

[Audrey]

Okay. No, that's not. No. Those aren't even close to being the same.

[Kevin]

Exact same. That is the literal shame.

[Josh Zieman]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

They're doing it again though. They're trying to out petty each other again just like they did that first night.

[Jeffrey]

I know. The thing about a successful relationship is some. Somebody has to be willing to admit that they were wrong and they messed up in order to move forward. And you both kind of messed up in your own rights, right?

[Brooke]

It's powerful to apologize.

[Kevin]

No, I mean, you're right. I like that you're right. Someone needs to Apologize. I'm gonna give her three seconds to do it.

[Jeffrey]

Audrey, ball's in your court. Do you want to toss out an apology?

[Audrey]

I think you know that it's gonna take me at least an hour.

[Jeffrey]

That was funny. She's joking.

[Brooke]

I don't think so.

[Josh Zieman]

Really?

[Jeffrey]

Definitely some nuggets of truth to it.

[Kevin]

And I can't believe, like, that I was actually going to show you my microwave mosaics. Like, I've never even shown that to another woman in person.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, wow. Special Audrey. Did you even know he had those?

[Audrey]

He told me about it. He wouldn't shut up about it.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Wow.

[Jeffrey]

Yikes.

[Kevin]

Well, shoot. Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Bye.

[Brooke]

Whoa. Wait. Does that mean he doesn't want to date?

[Jeffrey]

Kevin, you can't say bye because I haven't even asked Audrey yet if she would like to go out on another date with you. Because, Audrey, if you're up for it, we would pay for it.

[Kevin]

Oh, wow.

[Audrey]

Look at that. I just got a text that I think my parents had.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, my text. The timing.

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's quite the information to deliver via text.

[Jeffrey]

Kevin, at this point, do you want to check in with her and see how she's doing?

[Kevin]

I mean, are you okay?

[Jeffrey]

Kevin, she was being sarcastic with you there. Her parents aren't dead.

[Kevin]

Oh. Oh, my God.

[Audrey]

All right, Kevin, I think you stood in front of the microwave too many times.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we're never having two artists on the same call ever again. This is too messy.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Kevin, you need to date an accountant.

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[Jeffrey]

And that whole call really symbolizes the state of dating today.

[Brooke]

You think fake? It's that bad?

[Jeffrey]

The degree of pettiness where you just can't let the other person win or feel good about anything. No mistake will ever go unpunished in the dating world.

[Brooke]

Oh, God, that is a bleak outlook, Jeff. I thought you were going to come with something more positive and hopeful. Dang.

[Jeffrey]

She completely forgot about the date and then tried to gaslight him and make him feel guilty by inventing dead parents.

[Brooke]

The thing is, is I think that's so understandable to forget. Like, she actually put effort into still making it there, and then she made it worse.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Yes. But for me, I'd be like, oh, if I'm not important enough for you to remember our first date, if you're not excited about it, then I'm obviously not important. Is showing up an hour late really putting in a lot of effort?

[Brooke]

Well, I mean, I think it's forgivable to forget a date. Like, especially a date of a person that you had a brief interaction with. You know, if you don't write it down, how do you remember? I think that she could have just been honest, but it's safe.

[Jeffrey]

There's another theoretical out there that you just can't work with anymore. Would have been great, but it didn't happen. Yeah, I don't know. This doesn't make you feel opposite optimistic about love. What will. Yeah, Go on a date today, guys.

[Brooke]

I mean, his microwave mosaics were pretty uplifting.

[Jeffrey]

That was. We'll say that I for sure feel inspired. So make sure to go find our podcast. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Home of the second date update on Apple, Iheart, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kevin]

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