Second Date Update: Pre-Block

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - "Pre-Block"

Episode Details:

• Title: Second Date Update: Pre-Block
• Hosts: Brooke and Jeffrey
• Release Date: April 9, 2025
• Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Introduction and Opening Discussion (00:00 - 03:44)

The episode begins with various promotional segments from other podcasts, which are swiftly bypassed as Brooke and Jeffrey transition into their main content. The hosts set the stage for discussing awkward or unusual questions that often arise during first dates, aiming to engage listeners by encouraging them to share their own experiences.

Notable Quote:

• Brooke: "I think it'd be really interesting if people left in the comments what the weirdest question you can ask on a first date is." (02:33)

2. Exploring Unusual First Date Questions (03:44 - 04:36)

Brooke and Jeffrey delve into unconventional questions that can appear on first dates, such as:

• "How much blood does your body hold?"
• "What kind of duct tape is your favorite?"
• "Do you mind if I take my tooth out?"

Notable Quotes:

• Israel Gutierrez: "Oh, I would say, how much blood does your body hold?" (02:53)
• Brooke: "Or what kind of duct tape is your favorite?" (03:00)
• Brooke: "How about, do you mind if I take my tooth out?" (03:11)

The hosts and guest discuss the appropriateness and impact of such questions, highlighting how overly strange inquiries can unsettle a date.

3. Listener Story: Aaron's Blocked Second Date (04:36 - 10:36)

The primary focus shifts to a listener named Aaron, who shares his experience of being blocked by a date named Jenna after just one meetup. The discussion revolves around understanding why Jenna might have blocked Aaron so abruptly.

Key Points:

• Aaron's Date: Met Jenna on Hinge and agreed to a spontaneous dog walk.
• Sequence of Events: After the date, Aaron attempted to text Jenna but found his messages undelivered, indicating he was blocked.
• Potential Reasons: Miscommunication during the date, such as unexpected questions or differences in expectations.

Notable Quotes:

• George M. Johnson (Aaron): "I tried texting her maybe half hour later, and it was. It didn't go through. So it seems like she blocked me almost immediately." (08:11)
• Brooke: "What do you mean kind of date? Was it like one of those predates where you just meet for coffee for 20 minutes to see if a real date's worth it?" (05:37)
• George M. Johnson: "She was surprised when I asked, 'What's your credit score? Should I be worried?'" (12:14)

4. Attempting to Reach Jenna for Clarity (10:36 - 19:54)

To provide Aaron with the answers he seeks, Brooke and Jeffrey decide to call Jenna directly. This segment turns into an impromptu interview aimed at uncovering the true reason behind the abrupt blocking.

Interview Highlights:

• Miscommunication: Jenna didn't appreciate Aaron's sudden inquiry about her credit score, interpreting it as either arrogance or a lack of genuine interest.
• Aaron's Intentions: Initially perceived as humorous, his question was meant to signify looking for a serious, long-term relationship without wasting time.
• Jenna's Perspective: Felt that discussing financial matters so early in the relationship was out of line and overly invasive.

Notable Quotes:

• Jenna: "She was surprised, but I got over it quick. It wasn't that big of a deal." (13:00)
• George M. Johnson (Aaron): "I'm sorry I made you feel uncomfortable. It's just in today's dating culture, I'm trying to find a long term partner and... not waste time." (15:02)
• Jenna: "I thought it was so out of line." (13:33)

5. Analysis and Humorous Takeaways (19:54 - 23:25)

After the interview, Brooke and Jeffrey reflect humorously on the interaction, emphasizing the importance of clear communication and understanding each other's boundaries in dating scenarios. They also touch upon the unexpected twists that can occur when personal intentions are misinterpreted.

Humorous Insights:

• The concept of financial discussions on early dates being perceived as "sugar daddy" or "sugar mama" situations.
• The importance of reading social cues, both human and canine, during dates.
• Light-hearted jokes about relationship dynamics and the challenges of modern dating.

Notable Quotes:

• Brooke: "Jenna, you need to be careful of anything that sounds too good to be true." (18:36)
• Israel Gutierrez: "Forever? Unless you have a score of under 750." (19:54)
• Brooke: "I like that. Called a pimp." (20:39)

6. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (23:25 - End)

The episode concludes with a brief recap of the main story and a reminder for listeners to follow Brooke and Jeffrey on various platforms. They encourage audience participation for future episodes and share upcoming segments from other podcasts, maintaining an engaging and community-focused atmosphere.

Final Quote:

• Roger Caron: "Listen to the setup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts." (22:53)

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Key Takeaways:

• Communication is Crucial: Clear and respectful dialogue is essential in early dating stages to avoid misunderstandings.
• Boundaries Matter: Personal questions, especially those related to finances, should be approached with sensitivity and at appropriate times.
• Humor Helps: Light-hearted discussions can ease the tension around awkward dating experiences, making the narrative relatable and entertaining for listeners.

Engagement Prompt: Brooke and Jeffrey encourage listeners to share their own second date stories and unusual date questions, fostering a sense of community and shared experiences among their audience.

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Listen More: For additional episodes and full-length shows, visit Brooke and Jeffrey on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.

Transcript

[Dr. Joy]

Hey, sis. It's Dr. Joy from Therapy for Black Girls. We've had 400 episodes of Conversations, growth and healing, so we're celebrating. Join us for a special episode with internationally recognized yogi Chelsea Jackson Roberts as she shares wisdom on mindfulness, movement and motherhood. I waited later to have children and I still have exactly what I knew that I wanted. You don't want to miss this special episode. Listen to Therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sam Mullins]

Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

[Roger Caron]

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted.

[George M. Johnson]

Had spent 24 of those years in jail.

[Sam Mullins]

But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Joy]

I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is Fighting Words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.

[Roger Caron]

Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got.

[Dr. Joy]

Us, you know, we are the greatest.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Culture makers in world history.

[Dr. Joy]

Listen to Fighting words on the iHeartRadio.

[Israel Gutierrez]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[George M. Johnson]

Foreign.

[Roger Caron]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade. The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions today. The warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that Mount Rushmore. Come revisit this magical warriors ride. Listen to dubbed Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

From the producers who brought you Princess of South beach comes a new podcast, the Setup. The setup follows a lonely museum curator.

[Dr. Joy]

But when the perfect man walks into his life.

[Roger Caron]

Well, I guess I'm saying I like you, you like me.

[Dr. Joy]

He actually is too good to be true.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

This is a con.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I'm conning you to get the Dalala painting.

[Roger Caron]

We could do this together.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Listen to the setup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, you found the brand new second date podcast. Today, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And hey, thanks for being here. Today's second date. I'll just say this. I think it'd be really interesting if people left in the comments what the weirdest question you can ask on a first date is.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, I would say, how much blood does your body hold?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh. Huh.

[Israel Gutierrez]

That is how many pints. Exactly.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Yeah. Or what kind of duct tape is your favorite?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Wow. Yeah, that was kind of worse.

[Dr. Joy]

That is worse.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Although you cast a blood type, that could be useful information.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Okay, okay. You're more sneaky over there.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

How about, do you mind if I take my tooth out?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, that's pretty blunt.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

That's definitely happened to you before. I just the one. You know, it's interesting. I went on one date with one guy, and he was so hot until he took his front tooth out. It really just changes a person.

[Israel Gutierrez]

At least he asked. It's very regal.

[Roger Caron]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You know, he had to take it out before. Before he ate.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

So anyway, not ours. We want to know yours, because there is definitely, definitely an odd one in today's second date update. So leave it in the comments. Or if you're on the iHeartRadio app, you can actually leave us a voicemail. So do it there as well, and let's get this Second date started.

[Roger Caron]

Second date update. We have a text board at 78592 where listeners can send texts into our show. And unfortunately, sometimes we do have to block people if they cross the line with us.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Honestly, it's been so long since I've blocked anyone, though. Like, I feel like years.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, anytime you come at the girls or you're like, brook's a B word, I.

[Roger Caron]

You're blocked.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Okay, only I can say that.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Not happening very often because we're blocking you.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I block 10 a day.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Brock. Messages. What are you talking.

[Roger Caron]

If you're rude to any of us.

[Dr. Joy]

Blocked.

[Roger Caron]

If you criticize our hero of the week because you didn't like my choice. If you compliment me and tell me that I'm cute and fancy. I'm a shy boy. I don't like compliments that much.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Our listeners are so nice. We are not blocking people left and right.

[Roger Caron]

Too nice if you ask me.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Blocked.

[Roger Caron]

That's why one of our listeners, Aaron, reached out to us because he's confused after he got blocked by somebody and he has no idea why.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Fight the urge to compliment Jeff or you will be blocked right now.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I was gonna say. Was it Jose?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah. Oh, I'll block you right away.

[Roger Caron]

Aar, what's up, man? Welcome to the show.

[George M. Johnson]

Hey, guys. Thanks for having me.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Don't you talk bad about the girls.

[Roger Caron]

I'm sorry.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I'm on edge.

[Roger Caron]

He called you guys.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh, my God. I don't care. What is happening? Aaron, how are you doing?

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, I'm doing good. I'm a little confused as to why I got blocked, but I was hoping maybe you guys could help me out with that.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Okay.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Did you say anything mean? That's against people blocked here.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I was taking unsolicited pictures or what? I'm curious. Are you blocked? Are we talking about text, social media? Like, what are you blocked on?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Good question.

[George M. Johnson]

She blocked my number.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh, that was really personal.

[Roger Caron]

So tell us about this woman who blocked you. What's her name?

[George M. Johnson]

Okay, so her name is Jenna. We matched on Hinge, and we went on one kind of date.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

What do you mean kind of date? Was it like one of those predates where you just meet for coffee for 20 minutes to see if a real date's worth it?

[George M. Johnson]

So as soon as we matched, we started talking, and then we were hanging out like, an hour later.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

What? Oh, like a turnaround on the same day that you matched?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

How?

[George M. Johnson]

Well, so she told me that she was taking her dog out for a walk. So I said, hey, I haven't got my cardio in yet today. Why don't I come with you and we can just talk?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh.

[Roger Caron]

Oh, you invited yourself to her dog walk?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Okay, random Alexis, you're a dog walker. Would this be a good date if a guy was.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I want dogs with guys all the time.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, good.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

That's a yes.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Hey, so that's a good date idea.

[Roger Caron]

You walk the guys, too. Little leash on them.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

And I can't say that. Oh, no, But I do make them clean up the dog poop. You don't want to do that in front of me. Why did Jeff look so hopeful when he asked that question?

[Roger Caron]

I didn't know that that was a service. If it's offered out there, I got to look it up. But how did the dog walk go with Jenna?

[George M. Johnson]

It was mostly small talk. It was kind of more like a predate than anything where we were just getting to know each other.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

And that's okay. I mean, that's to be expected.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

What was the, like, chemistry or attraction level?

[George M. Johnson]

I thought I was picking something off.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Israel Gutierrez]

She didn't seem like she cut it off. Like, how did it end?

[George M. Johnson]

So, yeah, we were talking about Hinge, and How are you doing on Hinge? And I ended up making a joke. We're like, yeah. I ended up having to leave Hinge because I just. I had a full inbox, and people kept trying to talk to me and get with me. It ended not long after that.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

That was supposed to be. That was supposed to be a joke.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, I thought it was a joke.

[Roger Caron]

Yeah. I have so many people in my inbox that I just had to delete it.

[Israel Gutierrez]

The way you said it to us, I didn't. Wouldn't have taken that as a joke and. Sounded legit.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. See, I. Maybe I messed up, and she just thinks I'm full of myself when I was just trying to be funny.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Sure.

[Roger Caron]

But that doesn't seem like enough to want to block your number from ever wanting to contact you.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Did things change after that moment?

[George M. Johnson]

Not real. It ended not long after that, so. I don't know. Maybe she wanted to cut it short.

[Roger Caron]

Is it possible that you're just a really slow walker and it pissed her off?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Or the opposite. Too fast or. Yeah, steppers.

[Roger Caron]

You got to match her stride for stride.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Or just one of those guys who walks in front of a woman the whole time, like a step and a half. It drives me nuts.

[Roger Caron]

How's your walking?

[George M. Johnson]

I felt like I matched her stride for stride, but I wasn't really focused on that.

[Roger Caron]

Okay, let's say you got a pass on the walking. What else could it have been?

[George M. Johnson]

Brooke?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I mean, I'm just wondering when you got blocked, did you, like, leave the date and immediately she blocked you, or was there a couple of texts back and forth beforehand?

[Dr. Joy]

Question.

[George M. Johnson]

I tried texting her maybe half hour later, and it was. It didn't go through. So it seems like she blocked me almost immediately.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I didn't know you could tell that you were blocked. It never ends. It just never says delivered. Yeah, I know.

[Roger Caron]

It's unfortunate.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You can check. Months later, it's still not delivered.

[Dr. Joy]

Wow.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Yeah. I look back through my text and.

[Roger Caron]

See we're all experts on different areas of dating in here, so. Okay. How long has it been since you got blocked?

[George M. Johnson]

Been about a week at this point.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You guys, what if it's just an accident? What if she just got, like. You don't. Left thumbs. I don't know. Sometimes I accidentally hit buttons in my back pocket or something, and, like, she's like, why isn't this guy calling me? That's a hopeful.

[Israel Gutierrez]

She would have a lot going on in her pockets to be like, block, confirm, swipe Left unmatched.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You never know what a right butt cheek can do.

[Israel Gutierrez]

They went on a dog walk.

[Roger Caron]

Very ambidextrous cheek back there.

[George M. Johnson]

But I mean, yeah, hopefully that's it. But I had a good time with her. I'd like to see if there was something more there.

[Roger Caron]

Okay.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Yeah, she should definitely give you another.

[Roger Caron]

Chance or at least an explanation for why you've been blocked. We're going to call her right now. Hopefully she hasn't blocked us already. But if she answers, I'm sure a lot of people have. But if she picks up, we'll ask her all the important questions and try and get you your second date update right after this.

[George M. Johnson]

Thanks, guys.

[Roger Caron]

All right, man. Hold on. Second date update. Just to recap real quick, if you missed part one, one of our listeners, Aaron, hung out with a lady, and that happened within an hour of matching. They were on a dog walk together.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Yeah.

[Roger Caron]

The crazy part is that walk only lasted a half hour. An hour later, he was already blocked. I mean, this girl works fast.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah.

[Roger Caron]

And we're trying to help Aaron get some answers about what he did wrong. Or maybe it was just a miscommunication that caused him to get blocked. We don't really know.

[Israel Gutierrez]

At least we can pinpoint the hour and a half time frame.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

We asked all about whether she liked him and what it was like with him. We never asked, did the dog like you?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, did the dogs like each other? Did one bite the other?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I don't think he had a dog. Yeah, I don't think she was just joining him on her apologies.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I thought he had a dog, too.

[Roger Caron]

Aaron, could you get a read on Jenna's dog's feelings towards you?

[George M. Johnson]

I think he was kind of focused on the walk. He gave me a sniff. He sussed me out, but he wasn't super into it.

[Roger Caron]

That's not good.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

See, I think that's okay as long as there's no growling or, like, nipping.

[Roger Caron]

I mean, growling and nipping on my dates. That's a good thing, right?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

From the beginning, too.

[Roger Caron]

I'm dying to get nipped at.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Calm down.

[Roger Caron]

Boy.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Sniffing of so many butts.

[Roger Caron]

Yeah. So I don't know any last words, Aaron, before we dial the number.

[George M. Johnson]

At the very least, I hope she answers and I hope she tells me what I did wrong.

[Roger Caron]

Yeah, okay.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

That's a good attitude. You're going in to learn something. I like that.

[Roger Caron]

Let's set that bar super, super low. So here we go. I'm dialing the number right now. Let's see if she Picks up.

[Jenna]

Hello?

[Roger Caron]

Hey, is this Jenna?

[Jenna]

This is. Who's this?

[Roger Caron]

This is a. Actually a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Welcome to the show.

[Jenna]

I'm sorry, who?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Yeah, there's a lot of us in here.

[Roger Caron]

We're a radio show, and we do this segment that you're on right now called A Second Date Update. We're hoping to pry a little bit into your personal life, if that's okay.

[Jenna]

Second Date Update?

[Roger Caron]

Yeah, it's where we help our listeners who've gone out with somebody and they felt like there was a connection. We try to be the investigators to figure out why a second meetup hasn't happened or if something went wrong during the date. Yeah, and one of our listeners reached out about you named Aaron.

[Jenna]

Oh, okay.

[Roger Caron]

Okay.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Everything was on purpose.

[Roger Caron]

We figured you might not have the best reaction because we heard that after the date, you blocked him. Yeah, and he just doesn't know why or if that was on purpose.

[Jenna]

Oh, yeah, no, I. I definitely blocked him on purpose.

[Roger Caron]

Okay, so what we know is that you guys went on a dog walk, and it didn't seem to last very long. So maybe you could tell us your version of the hangout, and that would help us understand a little more clearly.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, I guess to start with, I thought he'd show up with his dog, too.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Well, I assumed he had a dog already. The girls had to correct me.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Why would you assume that?

[Jenna]

Well, because we met up to walk our dog. So I saw. But we met up to walk my dog. He literally just wanted to walk with me while I walked my dog.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

That just sounds like a miscommunication. Didn't he say he needed to get his cardio in for the day?

[Roger Caron]

I would have blocked him for that, too.

[Jenna]

That's not why I blocked him.

[Roger Caron]

Oh, okay.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Okay. So are you saying you were disappointed that he didn't have a dog?

[Jenna]

I was surprised, but I got over it quick. It wasn't that big of a deal. We were getting to know each other.

[Roger Caron]

So where did the date shift for you in your mind?

[Jenna]

Well, then he asks me, so, what's your credit score? Should I be worried?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, that's a little personal.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

It sounds like he's trying to be funny.

[Roger Caron]

He told us that there was a few jokes that he tried to make, and they didn't quite land.

[Jenna]

It did not sound like a joke. He actually wanted to know.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Did you tell. Wait, did you tell him?

[Jenna]

No, I didn't tell him. I thought it was so out of line.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, I feel like that's Less like intense than it used to be.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

People in a 30 minute conversation.

[Jenna]

Yeah, it was really quick. I mean, I don't even know that we should be talking about that on a fifth or a sixth date.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Everybody has different comfort levels when it comes to money. Okay, that's true.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Because, like, some couples have joined accounts eventually, and some don't talk about expenses, so.

[Roger Caron]

So is that where you felt like he crossed the line?

[Jenna]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, 15 minutes in and he's asking me about my finances.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I wasn't joking, though. Like, when you didn't tell him, what kind of response did he give you?

[Jenna]

We both just kind of laughed it off, but he definitely still seemed like he seriously wanted to know.

[Roger Caron]

Okay, it's possible that it was a joke and it just didn't come across the right way. And the best way to find out is to have you again. Well, at least have you talk to him about it, because you might not know this, Jenna, but Aaron's on the other line right now listening to this conversation.

[Jenna]

The guy I blocked is on the phone.

[Roger Caron]

Yeah, we haven't blocked him yet, but.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You know, when you say it that way, it doesn't feel as fun.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah, yeah, very true.

[Roger Caron]

Hopefully he has an explanation, though. Aaron, are you there?

[George M. Johnson]

Hey. Yeah.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Hey, jokester.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Hey, you want to know, know her Social Security number? Next.

[Roger Caron]

At least say something to Jenna.

[George M. Johnson]

I'm sorry I made you feel uncomfortable. It's just in today's dating culture, I'm trying to find a long term partner and. Right. And not waste time.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Are you serious?

[Jenna]

See, I knew you weren't joking. I knew you actually wanted to know my credit score, and that's a lot.

[Roger Caron]

But he wanted to know it for.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Honorable reasons because he wants to be with you forever.

[Roger Caron]

Forever?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Unless you have a score of under 750.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yes. We're not getting approved for loans. This love is not real.

[Roger Caron]

That's got to change how you feel about it a little bit, right, Jenna?

[Jenna]

No, not at all.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Oh, man.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh, man.

[Israel Gutierrez]

You see how that's kind of weird? What if she's the love of your life and she has a bad credit score?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I mean, it's not very romantic.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, well, to be 100 honest, I was kind of asking to see if you'd be interested in, like, a no strings attached financial compensation thing.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

What?

[Roger Caron]

Hmm?

[Israel Gutierrez]

Like a sugar daddy situation?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

What are you asking?

[George M. Johnson]

I. It's. It's awkward to talk about on the radio.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah, well. Well.

[Roger Caron]

You have full control over what you say. And don't say I feel like texting.

[Israel Gutierrez]

This is awkward as well.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Do you know what he's talking about?

[Jenna]

I mean, it sounds like he's looking to be my sugar daddy.

[Roger Caron]

That's how it sounds to us.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I think I heard it as he wants you to be the sugar mama. That's why he's asking your score.

[Roger Caron]

Can you clarify, Aaron?

[George M. Johnson]

Closer to what she said, I don't like that term. I don't see it like that. I would just be paying for companionship, not the weird stuff.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Got it. So you'd be paying to have her on your arm and that's all.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

If she's the one getting paid, why does her credit score matter?

[George M. Johnson]

Well, I. I need to know if it's something she's interested in, and if her credit score is low enough, then.

[Israel Gutierrez]

You can build it.

[Roger Caron]

I see.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You were looking for a low credit score this whole time. I was thinking of a good one. Wait a minute.

[Israel Gutierrez]

You want to help her life and, like, financially?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I feel like there's a different app you should go on than Hinge.

[Roger Caron]

And Alexis can recommend four of them.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

That she uses after this is done.

[Roger Caron]

But, Jenna, are you. Are you hearing this?

[Jenna]

Yeah, I'm hearing it.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Listen to her voice.

[Roger Caron]

Pretty shock sounding.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Are you interested in something like that?

[Jenna]

I mean, this is definitely not the way that I expected this to go. I mean, I was with you guys. I thought that he was making sure I had a flawless credit score here. I mean, realistically, I think depending on the amount of money, anybody could be interested.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah, I mean.

[Roger Caron]

Wait a second.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Wait a minute.

[Israel Gutierrez]

We have to reach. What does this mean?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Hold on. Like this? This is a totally different type of relationship.

[George M. Johnson]

Certainly is. But you are interested?

[Jenna]

I don't know. I. I've never really thought about it.

[Roger Caron]

Oh, wow.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Is it like an offer letter that gets passed over or how do you work out? You might need to unblock him to text the details.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, if she would unblock me, then maybe we could talk about it between us in private.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Guys.

[Roger Caron]

No, I want to hear.

[Israel Gutierrez]

We don't got to hear about how much money he's gonna pay her.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

This is so strange. Like, at the beginning of this, I thought that you were upset because you were looking for something forever, but you're just.

[George M. Johnson]

It could definitely turn into that. I'm open to that.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Okay, baby steps.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Let's get you started. I feel like this. Anything that sounds too good to be true, Jenna, you need to be careful of.

[Roger Caron]

Okay, that's Brooke's jealousy coming out.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I think there's some pictures.

[Roger Caron]

You don't have to listen now that.

[Israel Gutierrez]

They'Re in love, Brooke's like.

[Roger Caron]

Wait a second.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Forever?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Forever.

[Jenna]

I'm not saying yes 100%, but I am open to thinking about it.

[Roger Caron]

Okay, well, maybe you're open to the idea of unblocking Aaron and meeting up with him one more time. And we would pay for it. So you two could discuss the terms of the future of your relationship.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Like the sugar aunts and uncles.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

I feel like this. We're gonna pay for it. Yeah, let him pay for it, Jeff.

[Roger Caron]

Well, he's gonna pay for everything else. Let us at least buy the cup of coffee that they talk over.

[George M. Johnson]

We don't even need to go out. I can send you a couple texts so we can see if you're into it.

[Dr. Joy]

Okay.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

A little.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Little negotiation starter.

[George M. Johnson]

Sweet.

[Roger Caron]

Well, that saves us money, and I love that. So it's up to you. Jenna, will you or will you not unblock Aaron?

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh, that could be a fun new segment.

[Jenna]

I think I'll unblock him.

[Roger Caron]

Wow, look at that.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

And they say romance is dead.

[Roger Caron]

Look at Jeffrey in the morning. Attention all lady listeners with low credit scores. Aaron is looking to supplement your financial hardship as long as you are willing to walk your dog with him.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

You know how hard that was for me to finally get it that he was looking for low credit scores? Yeah, the whole time.

[Roger Caron]

The funny thing was at the start of the call, I mean, he had a deep voice, and he just seemed like kind of a sweet, shy guy.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Dude.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

He was like, remember? He's like, oh, I made that sarcastic statement trying to be funny, and I think maybe I came off too braggy.

[Roger Caron]

But once she got onto the phone, he wasn't messing around. He went right to the payment companionship negotiation talk. Yep, it was all business. I don't even know if I want an update on this one.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of heart in it, that's for sure. We can assume what's going to happen.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Yeah, send the money. I wish there was, like, a middle fee we could get.

[Roger Caron]

Yeah, I don't know about that.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Oh, I like that.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Give me 10%.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Called a pimp.

[Roger Caron]

But what I do want is for all of our listeners to find our second date Updates on our YouTube. Yeah, I want that for everybody. And wherever you get your podcasts, you can always find them at Brooke and Jeffrey.

[Sam Mullins]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Dr. Joy]

Hey, sis. Is Dr. Joy from Therapy for Black Girls. We've had 400 episodes of Conversations, Growth and Healing. So we're celebrating. Join us for a special episode with internationally recognized Yogi Chelsea Jackson Roberts as she shares wisdom on mindfulness, movement, and motherhood. I waited later to have children, and I still have exactly what I knew that I wanted. You don't want to miss this special episode. Listen to therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is Fighting Words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a bestselling.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Author with the second most banned book in America.

[Dr. Joy]

Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.

[Roger Caron]

Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got us.

[Dr. Joy]

You know, we are the greatest culture.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Makers in world history.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sam Mullins]

Hi, I'm Sam Mullins, and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy. The gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

[Roger Caron]

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted.

[George M. Johnson]

Had spent 24 of those years in jail.

[Sam Mullins]

But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

From the producers who brought you Princess of South beach comes a new podcast, the Setup.

[Dr. Joy]

The setup follows a lonely music museum.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Curator, but when the perfect man walks into his life.

[Roger Caron]

Well, I guess I'm saying I like you, you like me.

[Dr. Joy]

He actually is too good to be true.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

This is a con.

[Roger Caron]

I'm conning you to get the Dalama painting. We could do this together.

[Chelsea Jackson Roberts]

Listen to the setup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Roger Caron]

You feeling this Too is a horror anthology podcast. It brings different creators to tell ten vile.

[Sam Mullins]

Grotesque.

[Roger Caron]

Oh, my God. Horrific stories on what scares them the most. You feeling this too?

[George M. Johnson]

Listen on the I Heart Radio app.

[Roger Caron]

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.