Second Date Update: Sea Meat Surprise

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update – "Sea Meat Surprise"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode Title: Second Date Update: Sea Meat Surprise
• Release Date: July 21, 2025
• Description: Exploring the challenges of moving from first dates to second dates, particularly focusing on the reasons behind being ghosted after an initial meeting. The hosts investigate listener stories to uncover the real reasons and provide entertaining insights.

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update," hosts Brooke and Jeffrey delve into the intriguing case of Denise, a listener who successfully transitioned from a first date to a hopeful second date strategy—only to find herself ghosted afterward. This episode uncovers Denise's unique approach to meeting potential partners offline and examines what might have gone wrong in her latest dating endeavor.

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Denise’s Strategy: Meeting Men Offline

Denise, one of the podcast listeners, shares her experience of shifting away from digital dating apps to more traditional, face-to-face interactions. Inspired by an Instagram influencer's advice, Denise began frequenting golf courses, believing they are hotspots for meeting well-paid, high-class men.

Denise’s Approach:

• Location Choice: “I decided to switch up my strategy to get offline and hope to meet a high-profile man.” (04:25)
• Activity Selection: Enrolled at a golf course primarily to socialize, despite not being an avid golfer. “I'm just doing it just to meet the guys.” (04:39)

Denise's decision to frequent golf courses was strategic, aiming to engage with businessmen and executives in a relaxed yet social environment.

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The Successful First Date: Meeting Franklin

At a local golf course, Denise met Franklin, a man who owns a string of car washes. Their initial interaction was promising, leading to a dinner date that Denise felt went exceptionally well.

Highlights of the Date:

• Setting: Enjoyed the social aspects of the golf course's clubhouse and bar. “Funny enough, golf courses, you don't just have to play golf. They have awesome clubhouses and bars. And that's where I met him.” (06:20)
• Dinner Experience: “The date was great. The vibes were super awesome.” (07:31)
• Unique Habit: Denise brought her own silverware to the meal for sanitary reasons. “I like to bring my own silverware.” (07:36)

Denise believed the date was a success, highlighted by good chemistry and Franklin expressing interest in a second meeting.

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The Turning Point: Bringing Own Silverware

Post-dinner, Denise noticed that Franklin had not contacted her for a second date. She speculated that her unusual habit of bringing personal silverware might have been a turn-off.

Denise’s Reflection:

• Concern: “I think the one thing that may have turned him off, because... I like to bring my own silverware.” (07:36)
• Rationale: “Sometimes you can see that it's not washed properly and people are putting the silverware in their mouth.” (08:00)

This unique behavior prompts an exploration of whether such quirks can impact dating dynamics and lead to being ghosted.

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Brooke and Jeffrey Investigate: Calling Franklin

Curious about Denise’s predicament, Brooke and Jeffrey decide to reach out directly to Franklin to get his perspective on why he hasn't pursued a second date.

Key Interaction Points:

• Establishing the Connection: “We actually got it from one of our listeners who asked us to reach out to you.” (11:56)
• Franklin’s Initial Reaction: “She did take out a fork first, and I said something along the...” (13:16)
• Understanding the Crux: Franklin admits he didn’t fully understand Denise’s reasoning but acknowledges his own neat freak tendencies. “Honestly explained it and I... I kind of get it.” (13:36)

Franklin reveals that Denise's practice of bringing her own silverware was unusual and left him uncertain about how to respond, contributing to his hesitation in initiating further contact.

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The "Land Meat" Conundrum

A significant part of the discussion revolves around Denise's mention of "land meat" versus "sea meat," which further confused Franklin and potentially influenced his decision not to pursue the relationship.

Denise’s Explanation:

• Clarification: “Land meat is meat from an animal that has never touched water.” (16:16)
• Examples: “Any cow that's near a lake is a no. Any chicken, narrow river... a dry, arid cow.” (16:40)

Franklin admits perplexity over this concept, unable to reconcile how the source of the animal's water exposure affects meat quality. Denise emphasizes that for her, "sea meat" signifies anything that has been in contact with water, impacting taste and her dietary preferences.

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Brooke and Jeffrey's Takeaway

Brooke and Jeffrey synthesize the conversation, humorously highlighting how Denise's unique habits—such as bringing personal silverware and her specific meat preferences—might be perceived as quirky or high maintenance, potentially deterring Franklin from a second date.

Hosts' Insights:

• Humor in Habits: “It's like a hell thing. It's another thing.” (16:35)
• Defending Denise: “It is not high maintenance. It's high knowledge.” (18:36)

They conclude that while Denise's intentions for cleanliness and quality are valid, the execution may have unintentionally created barriers in her budding relationship with Franklin.

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Conclusion: Lessons Learned

The episode wraps up with Brooke and Jeffrey reflecting on the importance of balance in dating—being true to oneself while also being mindful of how personal habits and preferences might be perceived by potential partners. They encourage listeners to embrace their quirks but also remain adaptable to foster meaningful connections.

Final Thoughts:

• Embracing Quirks: “For a long time, people laughed and scoffed at the idea of gluten-free bread or vegan bone broth... now look at it.” (21:53)
• Open-Mindedness: “We're gonna be so confused. Gonna be like, can I get an ice water? No ice, no water.” (22:05)

Brooke and Jeffrey leave listeners with a humorous take on Denise’s story, underscoring that while being unique is admirable, understanding and flexibility are key components in the dating landscape.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Denise on Strategy: “I decided to switch up my strategy to get offline and hope to meet a high-profile man.” (04:25)
• Denise on Silverware: “Sometimes you can see that it's not washed properly and people are putting the silverware in their mouth.” (08:00)
• Franklin on Silverware: “She did take out a fork first, and I said something along the...” (13:16)
• Denise on Land Meat: “Land meat is meat from an animal that has never touched water.” (16:16)
• Brooke on Quirks: “It is not high maintenance. It's high knowledge.” (18:36)

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Key Takeaways

1. Personal Habits Matter: Unique personal habits, while rooted in valid reasons, can sometimes be misinterpreted in the dating scene.
2. Communication is Crucial: Clear explanations can mitigate misunderstandings, but initial reactions can have lasting impacts.
3. Balancing Authenticity and Adaptability: Being true to oneself is important, yet being open to feedback and adapting can enhance relationship prospects.
4. Humor Helps in Dating: Approaching dating mishaps with humor can alleviate tension and provide relatable insights for listeners.

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This episode of "Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update" offers a blend of humor, real-life dating dilemmas, and thoughtful discussions on the nuances of forming new relationships. Through Denise's story, listeners gain insights into the complexities of dating in the offline world and the significance of first impressions.

Transcript

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[Franklin]

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[Jeffrey]

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[Jeffrey]

All right, secrets revealed today. That's what we're doing. Hey, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and this is the second Date podcast. And one of our listeners says she found the sweet spot that Is crawling with high quality men. Yep. I gotta go test it out after this. I mean, honestly, you were interested. I am. I still am. Okay, she's real. She's willing to reveal it in exchange for our help. And we'd love to know, you know, where you're meeting. Ooh, yeah. Give us the secret places. Yeah. Isn't that fun in the comments? Yeah. And we love the comments. Alexis, what do you see today that you like? Yeah, Cassidy Stewart said you guys need to add a segment where y' all talk and give advice to teens. Talk about messy drama. I need my drama fixed. During summer, teens don't listen very well. They don't listen. But I have to say, coaching the high schoolers, I do hear some good drama, you know. Okay, maybe Alexis is interesting. Bring some of them on here. Yeah. All right, listen, let's start your brand new second date right now.

[Brooke]

Second date update. We've been talking about it a lot this summer. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. How people are moving away from the dating apps and trying to meet more in person now.

[Jeffrey]

Well, and like summertime, such a time for it, you know, down, you're foul, you're feeling good, Everyone's a little bit tan. Yeah.

[Brooke]

But if you're a female, where do you go? Basically anywhere outside of your own house. I was confused. And even that's probably a reach. There's a few guys who are probably living in your walls waiting for you to say no, it's okay. You can out now. I'm ready to be seduced.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, ceiling man. I've been wanting a date.

[Brooke]

Oh, finally. God, I've been in here for five months. But one of our listeners, Denise, says she decided a few months ago to switch up her strategy to get offline and hoping to meet a high profile man.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

So I'm very curious to hear where she ended up going to do that. And I think a lot of our female listeners are going to want to know too. So, Denise, welcome to the show and tell us, where'd you go to meet this guy?

[Denise]

Hey, so I met this guy at the golf course.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, that's smart. Do you like golf or is this like you are learning just for the dudes strategy?

[Denise]

You know, I'm just doing it just to meet the guys. Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Hey, at least Jaron is.

[Jeffrey]

And the worst thing that happens is you pick up a new hobby. Yeah.

[Brooke]

You know, you get a little sunshine.

[Denise]

Exactly.

[Jeffrey]

All right.

[Brooke]

Okay. How did this even happen? How'd you come up with the idea to start going to the golf courses?

[Denise]

I was watching a video on Instagram, I believe, and one of the influencers said that businessmen and executives like to golf.

[Jeffrey]

Dude, I've been told as a woman, if you want to succeed in business, you need to learn how to play golf so that you don't miss out on those meetings that happen. Golf course.

[Brooke]

And did you tell whoever told you that I don't need to be told how to live my life as a woman. I'm an independent person, and I can do what I want and hang out with who I want?

[Jeffrey]

No. Oh, I thought it was a good piece of advice.

[Brooke]

Oh, you liked that? I'll find him at any bar I want. I don't have to go to the golf. All right, so you saw the video and you decided I want that.

[Denise]

Yep. I need a man who is very well paid, high class. He takes this career seriously.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, so who did you find on the golf course?

[Denise]

Well, I actually met a guy named Franklin.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Franklin sounds like a rich name.

[Brooke]

It kind of does. How did you meet him? Did he come up in and help you with your swing or what?

[Jeffrey]

I mean, it is a good, easy thing to do. I don't know how to play or hit him with a golf ball on accident. Alexis, no. That would be like, a light hit.

[Brooke]

Yeah, sure.

[Jeffrey]

Whoops.

[Brooke]

How did it happen?

[Denise]

Funny enough, golf courses, you don't just have to play golf. They have awesome clubhouses and bars. And that's where I met him.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, that's better. Were you ever actually playing the game or were you just hanging out at the bar?

[Denise]

I was on the putting green for at least an hour.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, okay.

[Brooke]

Oh, okay.

[Jeffrey]

That's the free part, I think, that you don't have to pay for. I like it.

[Sarah Spain]

That's smart.

[Jeffrey]

That's smart. And they don't see if you bring your own cans on that one.

[Brooke]

Yeah. Okay, tell us about how the interaction between you and Franklin went.

[Denise]

Well, over a couple of drinks, he told me that he owns a string of car washes.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, okay.

[Denise]

And I think that's pretty cool.

[Jeffrey]

Yes.

[Denise]

And he pretty much asked me out, so I must say, the golf course strategy worked.

[Jeffrey]

Nice. I like it.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Hole in one. I don't like it anymore.

[Denise]

You don't like that.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, fine. Say that.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Eagle, bogey me. All right, We. We got it.

[Brooke]

We got it. We can do five minutes of golf puns, or we can learn more about what. Actually, yeah, let's. Let's learn more about what happened. So, after this, Denise, did you and Franklin go out on a date?

[Denise]

Yeah. Well, he took me to a really nice restaurant.

[Jeffrey]

Nice.

[Denise]

The date was great. The vibes were super awesome.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Denise]

And I've been thinking why I haven't heard from him since. And I think the one thing that may have turned him off, because, you know, I'm sort of specific on how I eat, I like to bring my own silverware.

[Jeffrey]

Interesting.

[Brooke]

To. To the restaurant?

[Denise]

Yes.

[Jeffrey]

Why?

[Brooke]

Okay, hold on. Like chopsticks? Because I can see that. I know people that bring chopsticks with them, like, if they want it.

[Denise]

No, like my fork, you know, my knife.

[Jeffrey]

Why do you do that?

[Denise]

Sometimes you can see that it's not washed properly and people are putting the silverware in their mouth.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. It's a sanitary thing for you.

[Brooke]

I could see that.

[Denise]

For me, I'd rather be safe than sorry. So I just bring my own silverware.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. So at a nice restaurant, you pull out silverware from your purse.

[Denise]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Which is obviously a clean place to keep it. So that's good.

[Denise]

Well, I protect my silverware. I wrap it up really nice.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Denise]

I put it in a container.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, so what was his reaction when you did this?

[Denise]

It wasn't all that great, but after I explained myself, it seemed like he was okay with it.

[Brooke]

Okay. Yeah, Kind of like us. Like, we were, like, weird. And then you explained it.

[Jeffrey]

I was like, okay, I guess you got a thing.

[Brooke]

Did you bring a fork and a knife for Franklin to use, or was it just for you? Because that could be seen as kind of selfish.

[Denise]

It was just myself. I didn't want to keep him out too much.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

So it sounds like Franklin was able to understand why you do it and you were able to move past it. How did the rest of the date go?

[Denise]

It went pretty well. I mean, at the end, I thanked them for the date, we hugged and we said, we'll talk to each other soon.

[Jeffrey]

Dude, it's so funny. I imagine you wrapping up your utensils as you're doing your pleasantries, doing side work.

[Brooke]

All right, I gotta take these home.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, honestly, to the wait staff, it probably looks like you're stealing this stuff.

[Denise]

You know, I didn't even think of that.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Okay, well, that could be something that's happening, but clearly he's not calling you back. And I'm sure he's going to be thrilled when he learns that a radio station is reaching out to him, trying to get in contact. People love that.

[Jeffrey]

Especially high class people.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Denise]

I'm not ready to let him go yet.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. I think do whatever it takes.

[Denise]

Or if it doesn't work with you guys. I'm just going to have to go back to the golf course.

[Brooke]

Okay. And Alexis might want to go with you, so.

[Jeffrey]

No, I want to hit every one of his car washes till we find him. That's another strategy, too.

[Brooke]

Middle one. Yeah, I like it. We'll get some stuff done when we call him. And get your seat. Second date update. Right after this second date update, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And right after part one ended, we got reports that thousands of single women have been flocking to the local golf courses, attempting to meet high profile men. All right, that was the strategy our listener Denise used. She heard a lot of businessmen and executives go there to hang out. It's a good place to meet guys. And that's where she met the car wash king, a guy named Franklin. They hit it off, went out to dinner. The weird part of dinner was she brought her own silverware to the restaurant.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, but she knows it's weird. And it's still high class because it's not a plastic fork and knife like I would have pulled from my purse.

[Brooke]

And she has a decent excuse. Yes, it's a cleanliness thing for her. She explained it to Franklin, and even though he seems cool about it, he still may have thought this is a little bit too much of a high maintenance situation. And that could be the reason he's not calling her back.

[Jeffrey]

Which is silly because it's not like you asked him to bring the silverware for you. That would be the high maintenance part. Right?

[Denise]

Exactly.

[Brooke]

Okay, Any last thoughts before we give Franklin a call here, Denise?

[Denise]

Nope. I'm ready when you're ready.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. You sound real positive about this.

[Brooke]

All right, let's go around the room. Who's ready?

[Jeffrey]

I'm ready.

[Brooke]

We're all ready. Okay.

[Jeffrey]

She's confident because she knows she can just go back to the golf course. Yeah, there's plenty to pick from.

[Brooke]

She actually likes this guy.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brooke]

Yeah. So let's just dial Franklin. Here we go. I'm calling him right now.

[Caller Franklin]

Hello?

[Brooke]

Hey, is this Franklin?

[Caller Franklin]

Yes, it is. How can I help you?

[Brooke]

Hey, thanks for answering. We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Jeffrey]

Hey, Franklin.

[Brooke]

Good morning, Franklin. Are you busy right now?

[Caller Franklin]

A little bit. How'd you get my number?

[Brooke]

We actually got it from one of our listeners who asked us to reach out to you. It's kind of the point of this segment. We're trying to see if we can get the two of you back Together. A girl named Denise.

[Caller Franklin]

What is this all about?

[Brooke]

This is a segment that we do. It's called the Second Date Update. And Denise reached out to us. She told us to get a hold of you because she isn't sure why the two of you aren't hanging out again a second time.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it sounds like you had a great date.

[Caller Franklin]

Yeah, what did she tell you, huh?

[Brooke]

Okay, you just want to get right down to business. But that makes sense about you. We heard you're a business guy. True.

[Caller Franklin]

I am. Time is money.

[Brooke]

Oh, okay.

[Jeffrey]

Business guy with cliches.

[Brooke]

We won't keep you too long then. But the gist of what we heard is that you two met at a golf course. You ended up going out to dinner a few days later.

[Jeffrey]

It sounds like you took her to a really nice spot, which she loved.

[Caller Franklin]

It's funny she told you all this.

[Brooke]

Yeah, well, we're just trying to figure out, like, the idea, the general vibe of the date. And she did mention a weird thing that happened that maybe could have freaked you out a little bit, where she brought her own silverware to the restaurant.

[Caller Franklin]

Yes, that was unusual.

[Jeffrey]

What did you think when she pulled it out of her purse?

[Caller Franklin]

I didn't really know what to say when that happened.

[Brooke]

Hopefully she didn't pull the knife out first, because that would be weird.

[Jeffrey]

What did I do at a steakhouse? Right.

[Caller Franklin]

She did take out a fork first, and I said something along the. I don't remember exactly what I said because I was so, like, surprised.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I mean, if I was in your same situation, I wouldn't know what to say either.

[Caller Franklin]

Honestly explained it and I. It did make a certain kind of sense. I mean, on a certain level, I'm a neat freak as well, so I kind of get it.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, well, I mean, it is funny that she doesn't care about the plate or the glass or anything, but. Yeah, but I get it.

[Brooke]

She was worried that maybe that was the reason that you're not calling her for a second hangout. Is that true?

[Caller Franklin]

Here's the thing. I just don't know if it's a.

[Jeffrey]

Good match because of the silverware.

[Caller Franklin]

She came across as. The silverware is one thing, but she did come across as, like. I guess the term I'm looking for is a little high maintenance, I guess.

[Brooke]

Oh, that's different. What made you say, like, she's high maintenance? What specifically stuck out to you?

[Caller Franklin]

The thing that really stuck out was she ordered pot stickers, I guess, for the appetizer, and when they arrived to the table, she asked the waiter if the pot stickers were made from land meat.

[Jeffrey]

Land meat, huh? What does that mean?

[Brooke]

That's a weird way to put it. Land meat, like seafood land food.

[Jeffrey]

That doesn't sound high maintenance. That just is a weird question.

[Caller Franklin]

Explain to me that land meat is meat from an animal that has never touched water.

[Jeffrey]

Oh. Oh.

[Brooke]

And it's life.

[Caller Franklin]

Which was confusing to me because she didn't elaborate. So I'm thinking, like, does that mean it's not fish? Or is this specifically something where the animal has never. Like, it's a pig that's only been in the flop. Is it a chicken that's never been bathed? You know, like I did.

[Brooke]

That is never been in a pond. A duck.

[Caller Franklin]

And then she seemed a little frustrated with the waiter because he didn't know. I guess he didn't know the answer to her question. I don't think. To be fair, I don't think he understood the question.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense, truthfully.

[Brooke]

I don't think I understand still. So I. The only way to clear this up is by actually talking to Denise about it, and that's going to be really easy because she's on the other line already.

[Caller Franklin]

What do you mean she's here?

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's how this segment works, is we have the other person waiting to jump in and talk to you. Yeah.

[Caller Franklin]

Okay. That's a little surprising, but sorry.

[Brooke]

So, Denise, are you there?

[Denise]

Yes, I am here.

[Jeffrey]

Okay. Okay.

[Brooke]

Say hi to Franklin.

[Denise]

Hi, Franklin. I thought we had something. I thought we could have something together. The date went so well.

[Caller Franklin]

Yeah, no, I liked it. It was great chemistry. But. But it's been eight days, and I still don't really. I'm not sure what land meat is.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I think we all want to know. Could you clear it up?

[Denise]

Okay, so I know it doesn't make any sense to you guys, but it makes sense to me, and that's okay because, listen, the second you bite into sea meat, something is off.

[Jeffrey]

Sea meat.

[Brooke]

So funny.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, that's the same as seafood, right? That's fine. You call seafood sea meat.

[Denise]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not getting it, okay?

[Brooke]

Seafood and sea meat are different. Brooke.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, Explain.

[Denise]

So for lamb meat, that is any animal that's not touching water. So like, any cow that's near a.

[Brooke]

Lake, that's a no.

[Denise]

That's a definite no. Any chicken, Narrow river, you need a dry, arid cow.

[Brooke]

She needs a middle American cow. A Nebraskan or a cow. Like a piece of beef jerky. Totally Dry would be her absolute ideal meal.

[Jeffrey]

Why does that matter to you? Why does it matter if the cow lives by a body of water or not?

[Denise]

Because you can taste the difference in the meat.

[Brooke]

It's like a hell thing. It's another thing.

[Jeffrey]

I don't think the cows live by a river, are happier cows, right?

[Brooke]

Water. Not according to Denise.

[Denise]

Listen, those are death cows.

[Jeffrey]

Denise, there is no science to back up what you were saying.

[Denise]

I can't tell you about the science. I can just tell you what I taste, and it's completely different. Taste.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Honesty, Right?

[Jeffrey]

You're like, this is a fishy steak.

[Denise]

Okay, Franklin, you calling me high maintenance just because of that is just so ridiculous.

[Brooke]

Yeah, Franklin.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, I would call it quirky, not necessarily high maintenance.

[Brooke]

Yes, Franklin, you may have crossed a line there.

[Caller Franklin]

So I really don't see the point in apologizing for not understanding.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, okay. Do you still feel that way after hearing her explanation of land meat?

[Caller Franklin]

To be honest with you, I'm more confused than ever before. And so many questions. I mean, if a lamb can't take a bath, what does that even mean?

[Brooke]

That's a stinky lamb.

[Jeffrey]

Does it mean.

[Denise]

Denise, it means that it's sea meat.

[Brooke]

If it's come into contact with water, it is officially a sea animal. I'm gonna order the sea lamb next time I go to a steakhouse.

[Jeffrey]

I'm telling you, there's no way for you to know this information about the meat.

[Denise]

Exactly. I shouldn't know because it's a restaurant's responsibility.

[Brooke]

That is a good. That's a good point, actually.

[Denise]

They prepare the food. They must know if it's sea meat or land meat.

[Brooke]

They do. They should have BIOS next to piece of meat that you order so that you can understand what you're putting into your body.

[Caller Franklin]

Yeah, I think now you guys can see why I think Denise is high maintenance.

[Jeffrey]

Okay?

[Brooke]

Yes, okay.

[Denise]

It is not high maintenance. It's high knowledge. Okay? It's high knowledge of knowing what I'm putting in my body. And quite frankly, Franklin, you should do the same.

[Jeffrey]

Okay?

[Brooke]

Yes. Especially with how much time he spends around water. With all those car washes, you need to be careful. And on the golf course, the water hazard. You're basically sea meat at this point, Franklin. So actually, I even know if Denise would want to hang out with you a second time.

[Denise]

It sounds like he's not that interested in me, so I'll just exit first.

[Brooke]

Missed your chance, Franklin. I'm sorry. Not even going to offer you a second time.

[Caller Franklin]

I'M going to try to find a meat eating cow for lunch.

[Brooke]

That's just cannibalism. That's weird.

[Jeffrey]

That's not.

[Brooke]

What are you doing? I don't know.

[Jeffrey]

I think chickens are kind of into it.

[Brooke]

Oh yeah.

[Caller Franklin]

At least I got a chuckle out of this, I guess. And I dodged a bullet because.

[Brooke]

Yeah, and you're probably going to be on the radio. Bullet.

[Denise]

Stop talking. Why are you still talking?

[Brooke]

Let's just hang up on this guy.

[Caller Franklin]

To be honest, I am a little dehydrated.

[Brooke]

See? Boy, look at Jeffrey in the morning.

[Franklin]

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[Kelly Harnett]

Kelly Harnett spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit.

[Jeffrey]

I'm 100% innocent.

[Kelly Harnett]

While behind bars, she learned the law from scratch.

[Jeffrey]

He goes, oh God.

[Kelly Harnett]

Harnett jailhouse lawyer and as she fought for herself, she also became a lifeline for the women locked up alongside her.

[Jeffrey]

You're supposed to have your faith in.

[Denise]

God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Kelly Harnett]

So many of these women had lived the same stories.

[Jeffrey]

I said, were you a victim of domestic violence?

[Kelly Harnett]

And she was like, yeah, but maybe Kelly could change the ending.

[Jeffrey]

I said, how many people have gotten other incarcerated individuals out of here? I'm going to be the first one to do that.

[Kelly Harnett]

This is the story of Kelly Harnett, a woman who spent 12 years fighting not just for her own freedom, but her girlfriend's too.

[Jeffrey]

I think I have a mission from God to save souls by getting people out of prison.

[Kelly Harnett]

The Girlfriend's Jailhouse Lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brooke]

And do you ever feel like, maybe we're gonna be on the wrong side of history for this one.

[Jeffrey]

Land me.

[Brooke]

Yeah. For a long time, people laughed and scoffed at the idea of gluten free bread or vegan bone broth or mushroom laced coffee. Now look at it.

[Jeffrey]

Vegan bone broth.

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's a thing. I bet in a few years land meat and sea meat are gonna be common terms popping up on restaurant menus all over the country. We're gonna be so confused. Gonna be like, can I get an ice water? No ice, no water. Thank you. So I'm just calling it now. I'm gonna say we were wrong just to protect us in the future. When we come back, we can't get canceled. Land meat is cool. So there you go.

[Jeffrey]

I'm gonna risk it, Jeff.

[Kelly Harnett]

You will.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Let's go to the dark side. But if you ever want help with your dating life, we'll do our best not to judge you in all your quirks. Just email us. We'll call that person who's not calling you back. And go check out all of our second date podcasts. They're up online wherever you get yours at.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Jeffrey]

So what happened to Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

[Denise]

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Jeffrey]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Denise]

Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Franklin]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

[Jeffrey]

You get your podcast. I knew I wanted to obey and.

[Franklin]

Submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that meant for my heart.

[Denise]

Podcasts and Rococo Punch. This is the turning river road.

[Franklin]

In the woods of Minnesota, a cult.

[Denise]

Leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a secret life of AB. But in 2014, the youngest escaped. Listen to the Turning river road on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alexis]

My Uncle Chris was a real character, a garbage truck driver from South Carolina who is now buried in Panama City alongside the founding families of Panama. He also happens to be responsible for the craziest night of my life. Wild stories about adventure, romance, crime, history and war intertwine as I share the tall tales and hard truths that have helped me understand Uncle Chris. Listen now to Uncle Chris on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Kelly Harnett]

The Girlfriends is back with a new season, and this time I'm telling you the story of Kelly Harnett. Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit. As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law.

[Jeffrey]

He goes, oh God.

[Kelly Harnett]

Harnett Jailhouse Lawyer and became a beacon of hope for the women locked up alongside her.

[Jeffrey]

You're supposed to have your faith in.

[Denise]

God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Jeffrey]

I think I was put here to save souls by getting people out of prison.

[Kelly Harnett]

The Girlfriends Jailhouse Lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.